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Music Labels Working On Digital Album Format

Nerdfest writes to mention that just weeks after Apple announced their new "Cocktail" digital album project, the four big record companies are moving forward with their own project dubbed "CMX." The new digital album will feature songs, lyrics, videos, liner notes, and artwork. "However, this may be of little interest if CMX isn't compatible with iTunes, the default music software for iPods, iPhones and Apple computers. Whereas labels are eager to resuscitate the album format in an age of singles, Apple is concerned with selling hardware, including a tablet computer rumored to be launching this fall. The major labels plan to launch CMX, which is just a working title for the format, in November. It will reportedly be 'soft-launched' with a few select releases."

250 comments

  1. And another failure... by Goldberg's+Pants · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Their business model is dying, and again they're trying to come up with ways to corner a market they've already lost, with a format that will fail.

    1. Re:And another failure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Can we put this myth to bed? Their business model didn't fail it was wildly successful for nearly a 100 years. The model didn't fail people simple used technology to get around paying. There's a massive difference.

    2. Re:And another failure... by mrsteveman1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If piracy were the problem, they wouldn't be actively trying to move back to album sales now would they? People can pirate whole albums just as easily as they can single songs, so what makes you think this isn't about their failed business model of selling a CD 80% full of crap to people who wanted one mediocre, dynamically compressed one-hit wonder? Technology allowed people to avoid THAT SHIT, not paying in general.

    3. Re:And another failure... by TubeSteak · · Score: 5, Insightful

      From RIAA's Perspective: If it doesn't have DRM, what's the point?
      From the Consumer's Perspective: If it has DRM, what's the point?

      "Forget WAV, MP3 and M4A - major labels have something new in mind, and it's called CMX."
      As a side note, TFA seems to be confused between codecs and containers.

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    4. Re:And another failure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, it's failing.

      They make their money off of recording and distribution. It used to cost lots of cash to make a decent recording- which is what allowed them to be the "gatekeepers" for Pop Culture.

      Unfortunately for them, the recording equivalent of the Gutenberg Press has come along and they can't make the cash the once could. Nor can they just jam stuff down people's throats. Sure, people figured out how "to get around paying"- but a good portion of the people out there aren't buying or listening. They listen to people that have absolutely NOTHING to do with those businesses trying to make themselves relevant via "digital albums". If they can somehow remember what put them in the role and work within what has now come to pass for them and everyone else, they might keep their model going a while longer.

      I honestly don't think they will manage it.

    5. Re:And another failure... by icebike · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Get around paying?

      Check out Apple's earnings from iTunes some time.

      People are choosing to buy the tunes they like, (and occasionally the Albums they like), but not the usual trash foisted on them to fill the album.

      Music sales are doing well.

      Paying 15 bucks for 2 good songs and 9 garbage songs is what is failing.

      The DRM issue is is a serious one, just as the GP mentioned. The ability to repossess your music purchases at any time in the future is theft, pure and simple.

      Buggy whips were doing well for a hundred years too.

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    6. Re:And another failure... by dem0n1 · · Score: 1

      the recording equivalent of the Gutenberg Press .

      Gutenberg Press hell, it's an ABDick offset with a photocopier platemaker.

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    7. Re:And another failure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The model didn't fail people simple used technology to get around paying. There's a massive difference.

      no there's not. if people can get around your business model using technology, then your business model is failing.

      if your business model involved selling people training, and some other dude starts offering that same training for free (let's ignore how or why for now), then your business model is about to fail. you can say, "oh, that's just people using a free service to get around paying; it's not failing at all", but the dollars are going to decrease or cease coming through your door, just as they have the recording industry's.

    8. Re:And another failure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I think they see the pirates as a lost cause. What's killing them now is people buying singles as opposed to full albums where you can sell 10 crap songs along with hopefully two good ones.

    9. Re:And another failure... by BrokenHalo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, there is always the option of buying CDs that don't have crap tracks on them. After all, if you can't get a preview before you buy, then don't.

      I'm going to keep buying CDs for as long as I can for two reasons: (1) because my stereo makes the deficiencies in compression of tracks stand out like dogs' nuts, and (2) because I don't want to buy something that Apple/Sony/Whoever can revoke my "licence" to use whenever it suits them.

    10. Re:And another failure... by Dan541 · · Score: 1

      What so special about the number 100 and why does it mean the business model didn't fail?

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    11. Re:And another failure... by xtracto · · Score: 1

      We already have a "digital album format", which is pretty standard and the extension is usually RAR.

      I would prefer the standard to be 7z myself but... one cannot have everything.

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    12. Re:And another failure... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Paying 15 bucks for 2 good songs and 9 garbage songs is what is failing.

      I still don't understand this argument. I've never bought an album with more than one or two songs on it that I didn't like, and all of the music I own is in complete albums except for a couple of EPs (I don't have any pirated music). Who are these bands which release two good songs and nine crap ones on an album? If less than 20% of a band's output is worth listening to, they seem less deserving of money than bands that can produce entire albums full of good music.

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    13. Re:And another failure... by MozzleyOne · · Score: 1

      Definitely. When I was 14 or so, I was a fan of the one-hit wonders, but as I've gotten older I've started appreciating whole albums a LOT more. I barely ever listen to just one song anymore - it's cover-to-cover now!

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    14. Re:And another failure... by hedwards · · Score: 1

      You're missing the point. A lot of one hit wonders released albums with plenty of good music on it. Or at least good enough to justify listening to the album. What caused the problems was when the studios decided that they could just manufacture recording stars and throw enough money at it to make them popular via MTV (And yes MTV used to play music videos, crazy I know) and focus almost entirely on the singles. It's kind of eerie how much the late 90s into now echos the late 70s into the early 80s.

      The problem is that by neglecting the rest of the tracks on the CD and focusing so heavily on the singles, you're left with people being asked to pay for an entire album if they want the couple of good songs or to go for the overpriced single. A shock really that people think that paying $18 for that on a piece of media that only costs them a couple dollars tops to manufacture are going to feel ripped off. Admittedly that doesn't justify piracy, but it sure as hell doesn't make people want to pay money for CDs. And from a practical sense, pirated CD, unpurchased CD, very little difference to the bottom line.

    15. Re:And another failure... by ae1294 · · Score: 1

      Buggy whips were doing well for a hundred years too.

      Strangely, I have noticed that 'Riding Crop' sales are still rather brisk!

    16. Re:And another failure... by chrish · · Score: 1

      Actually, tracks from the iTunes store haven't had any DRM since April.

      I've always made a point of buying MP3s or DRM-free AACs when CDs weren't available from the artist (or the compression wouldn't make a difference; being a fan of industrial and metal helps here, it would probably be worse for jazz and classical).

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    17. Re:And another failure... by Migraineman · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately for them, the recording equivalent of the Gutenberg Press has come along ...

      Actually, it's considerably worse than that. Not only are the great unwashed masses capable of publishing their own work in a reasonaly professional format, other industries are competing for the ultimate resource - my time. I have exactly 24 man-hours in a day to spend however I see fit. About 7 of those go to a necessary "glimpse of death" state. Let's say that I spend 8 hours at work, and another 2 commuting. That leaves 7 hours for "everything else." Toss in a couple of hours for eating, bathing, residential maintenance ... all items where concurrent "entertainment" isn't particularly practical. You get down to 1-2 hours per day that's available for entertainment. The music industry used to be top dog in that regard, but others have encroached on that territory. Instead of listening to music, I now have many choices as to how to spend my limited entertainment time. Generally, I choose something other than music, simply because I find other stuff to be more compelling. I have several hundred CDs, but nothing has been purchased recently. Why? Because I have choices on how to spend my entertainment-time and entertainment-money, and the music industry's offerings just don't cut it anymore.

    18. Re:And another failure... by wickedskaman · · Score: 1

      So when you commute and are at work you refuse to listen to music? :-/ There's more than a couple hours available every day for enjoying music.

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    19. Re:And another failure... by icebike · · Score: 1

      You'll grow out of that after a few years and settle down with a nice girl. Give it some time.

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    20. Re:And another failure... by ae1294 · · Score: 1

      You'll grow out of that after a few years and settle down with a nice girl. Give it some time.

      Really? wow.. I just got married last month on the 18th.... So am I to expect that I will need to get devoiced and remarry or do you mean that all kinky sex ends once married?

    21. Re:And another failure... by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      I suppose they could always try to start promoting, and working WITH artists that can actually put together a full album worth of good music.

      I find that I have tons of whole albums by groups like Zeppelin, Floyd and the Stones...that I quite often try to throw on just one song, I end up listening to the full 'album'.

      "A shock really that people think that paying $18 for that on a piece of media..."

      Wow..where do you buy CD's that are $18/each (unless you're talking imports?)

      I too just buy CD's...I have a good stereo, and rather play with the best format I can get, so, until they sell something online that is lossless and without DRM, I'll not be interested in buying music online.

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    22. Re:And another failure... by orev · · Score: 1

      mrsteveman is talking about music that is dynamically compressed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_range_compression), not "mp3" compressed. They both sound equally crappy on your stereo because dynamic compression is done by the music companies to make the CD version of a song sound more like the radio version. Since the radio doesn't have the same dynamic range as a CD, they squish the music into the radio range, making your CD-quaility sound like radio quality.

    23. Re:And another failure... by Migraineman · · Score: 1

      I be a engineer. Listening to music, especially the commercial-infested kind, is distracting. If anything, I have some background music on a CD available. Company policy doesn't allow online streaming, and radio reception in the lab is all but impossible. (So yes, I pretty much refuse to listen to music at work.)

      Note that there's a difference between listening to something from my CD collection and shopping/paying for "new" music. There's a limited amount of time and money available for all of my entertainment desires, and the music industry's value proposition sucks. The music industry isn't accustomed to competing for my entertainment dollars. Until recently, they have completely ignored the external threats, focussing all their energies on the internal ones (i.e. obstruct the up-and-comers.)

    24. Re:And another failure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sometimes, nice girls need spankings too.

    25. Re:And another failure... by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      The DRM issue is is a serious one
      It is although at least for the moment it seems to have gone away for music. Apple cornered the music industry into a choice of giving up DRM or letting apple continue to be the only outlet to sell music online to iPod owners.

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    26. Re:And another failure... by bigngamer92 · · Score: 1

      Yeah I wouldn't say that the whole album is garbage per se... The problem is that typically when people go out to buy an album they do it for the song that keeps getting played on the radio. True fans of an artist may go out and buy the whole album to expierience more of their work, but the general populace would rather just have the one or two songs.

      This is especially problematic because the people who were most easily influenced by the one hit wonder culture, the 10-25 (numbers from my ass) demographic, are also the ones adopting the iTunes model the quickest.

    27. Re:And another failure... by icebike · · Score: 1

      I just got married last month

      do you mean that all kinky sex ends once married?

      Post back in 5 years...

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    28. Re:And another failure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who are these bands which release two good songs and nine crap ones on an album?

      Bands who include one or two radio-friendly songs in an effort to entice buyers, when those songs are not representative of the bulk of their music. The buyer expects the rest of the album to be similar to the song they liked, but it isn't--for many buyers, the dissimilar songs become "crap."

      Hoobastank comes to mind: "The Reason" was insanely popular, yet quite dissimilar to the rest of the album. Going further back, witness Berlin's "Take My Breath Away".

      Becoming popular via non-representative songs is not a recipe for longevity. "Top 40" music seems particularly prone to this problem--yet "Top 40" is where the music industry makes a large portion of its profit. Hence: album == 90% crap to many.

    29. Re:And another failure... by ae1294 · · Score: 1

      DOH!

    30. Re:And another failure... by GWBasic · · Score: 1

      As a side note, TFA seems to be confused between codecs and containers.

      As a programmer, I understand the concept of a container.

      As a media enthusiast, I find the real-world differences between container and codec to be almost inconsequential. New codecs and functionality often come with new containers. (avi for MPEG4, mkv for H21)

      Forget WAV, MP3 and M4A - major labels have something new in mind, and it's called CMX

      WAV, MP3, and M4A tend to imply different programs.

      My point, however, is that the difference between container and codec really is an engineering detail that might be overlooked in a more consumer-focused press release. Musicians really don't care about the difference between a codec and a container; but they really want a digital "something" that replaces the album cover.

      Hopefully the container and codec are open enough that there are many playback programs to choose from.

  2. It's delicious DRM by Alex+Belits · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You must eat it.

    (If, by any chance, this format is not DRM'ed and patented to Hell and back, count me impressed).

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    1. Re:It's delicious DRM by Shikaku · · Score: 1

      I'd like it if the format was public domain, but the audio file it contains can be anything and will work on players already.

      Naw, I'm dreaming. That could never happen.

    2. Re:It's delicious DRM by jhol13 · · Score: 1

      I'll be much, much more impressed if this is multi-session CompackDisk(tm) compatible. Then it would be nice.
      Sure, I know there are already a lot of CD's with extra information in another session, but they are not standardised/similar.

      P.S. I am *that* old, i.e. I like to hold something in my hand. Besides, CD's has resale value & works immediately in my car, electronic music does not.

  3. cant wait... by Mr_Reaper · · Score: 1

    to see what kind of drm scheme they come up with...

    1. Re:cant wait... by corychristison · · Score: 3, Funny

      I've got a feeling it will all be Compressed Win32 Binaries.

      Because _nothing_ can go wrong with that... right?

    2. Re:cant wait... by jonbryce · · Score: 1

      I'm putting my bet on an Adobe AIR type effort. They have developed a DRM thing for BBC iPlayer, and it works on Windows and Macs.

      However, if it is to be successful, it will need to work on portable media players as well, and that means either mp3 which will work anywhere, aac (for ipods), or wma (for playsforsure media players). I'm guessing aac has been ruled out.

    3. Re:cant wait... by dem0n1 · · Score: 1

      The album as an app. Don't try to play it out of order; someone worked real hard to get the flow just right. :^)

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    4. Re:cant wait... by Tolkien · · Score: 1

      Funnily enough, PlaysForSure was discontinued, didn't you get the memo?

    5. Re:cant wait... by kars · · Score: 1

      I hope they'll call them Compressed Binary Tunes. Or CBT, for short.

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  4. mp3 does this already by Threni · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I spend some time removing art and crap like that from mp3s so they don't waste space on my iPod - why re-invent the wheel?

    1. Re:mp3 does this already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mp3 only has ID3 tags doesn't it? Aren't you thinking of M4A?

    2. Re:mp3 does this already by Tyr_7BE · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Funny, that. Whenever I rip a CD to MP3 I spend some time *adding* art and crap like that (genre, year, etc...) so it feels more like an album than just a file. Everyone sees the world through different eyes I suppose.

      But yes you're right, I've been getting by with MP3 just fine for quite some time now. For those who *really* want to go all out and get the liner notes, lyrics, front and back cover artwork, etc, a collection of properly named jpegs and a music player that knows what it's doing will fill that need nicely. However, a new dominant format ensures that you will yet again have to purchase the White Album, which translates to money in the pockets of the recording companies. Is it any wonder they have their best eggheads on the job?

    3. Re:mp3 does this already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you're running out of space? LMAO

    4. Re:mp3 does this already by C0vardeAn0nim0 · · Score: 4, Informative

      id3v2 adds support for a lot of stuff, including embeded artwork

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    5. Re:mp3 does this already by Threni · · Score: 1

      Artist, album, track name. Done. A new format means it won't work on my iPod.

    6. Re:mp3 does this already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, gee, how dare we not get the newest shiny thing Apple shits into our hands with mommy and daddy's money like you kids? I guess we all ought to shut up because we're fucking adults who work for our money and might like to save some of it.

    7. Re:mp3 does this already by PRMan · · Score: 1

      And lyrics! I figure if I am buying songs, shouldn't they at least have lyrics?

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    8. Re:mp3 does this already by BrokenHalo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      fucken loser w/ out of date ipod...

      I don't think so. Apple has, in their infinite wisdom, discontinued their largest capacity iPod, the 160GB iPod Classic. I guess it wasn't skinny enough to match the wraithlike dimensions of Apple's CEO, but I wanted something that would take all of my music collection with room for it to grow. I was only just in time when I scored my iPod.

    9. Re:mp3 does this already by Chonine · · Score: 1

      I like the format that Nine Inch Nails offered.

      Register for free on the site, get emailed a url where you can download the latest album for free.

      Three choices, lame mp3, flac, or 24 bit pcm. You get a single zip file, with a subdirectory with all the music. Named clearly in numerical order, tagged appropriately. id3 for mp3, flac tags for flac. Includes another subdirectory with an assortment of imagery, as well as some background images in common resolutions. I believe a brief information file was included too. A standardized cover.jpg which plays in many media players is included.

      Past releases included AAC and maybe apple lossless, which allowed for embedding images into the files. NIN chose to embed images into these files.

      Seriously, a single file album format sounds good. But it doesn't have to be over engineered. A good option can emerge without a major record company effort.

      If the record companies are going to create a format that includes binaries, drm, or proprietary data formats, choose to charge more than the standard online $9.99, and disallow individual track purchases, then damn them to hell. But if they keep single tracks as an option, but just try to make the $9.99 album buy a little more attractive by offering something like what I described NIN doing above, then I'm for it. Offering a .bz2 w/ matroska, flac, png images, lyrics, information and more would certainly be a value add for me. But that sounds unlikely.

    10. Re:mp3 does this already by Chonine · · Score: 1

      I wanted to add that I buy a lot of my music via amazon mp3. Buying a single is a simple link to a .mp3 file. Buying an album gets you a .amz file, a more or less proprietary text file that is understood by the amazon downloader program to get the entire album. It is usable on Linux via a few options, but it would be so nice if one could just buy an album on Amazon and be offered a zip of goodies.

    11. Re:mp3 does this already by Fear+the+Clam · · Score: 1

      Whenever I rip a CD to MP3 I spend some time *adding* art and crap like that (genre, year, etc...) so it feels more like an album than just a file.

      I do that as well. I don't worry about iPod space*, but if I did, there's an option in iTunes to not include the image data on the iPod.

      *I don't care about carrying around every song I own. I have a few standard playlists, a couple of movies that I don't mind watching again, as well as a couple of "smart" playlists that pull up stuff I haven't listened to in more than two years.

    12. Re:mp3 does this already by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      fucken loser w/ out of date ipod...

      I don't think so. Apple has, in their infinite wisdom, discontinued their largest capacity iPod, the 160GB iPod Classic. I guess it wasn't skinny enough to match the wraithlike dimensions of Apple's CEO, but I wanted something that would take all of my music collection with room for it to grow. I was only just in time when I scored my iPod.

      Same here. Funny how it's the "out of date" ipods that break the 32GB barrier (and for less $/GB too)...

      And *we're* the losers. ;)

  5. Open formats by Nerdfest · · Score: 2, Funny

    Here's hoping that any format battle leads to an open format. We don't need another format that must be licensed or a fragmented market. There's no word in the article about whether or not either format supports or requires DRM.

    1. Re:Open formats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It will certainly support DRM, as the record companies making the format will certainly want DRM. It will not probably not require DRM, since expanding a DRM-compatible format to also support non-DRM music is easy.

      The issue is: will it be compatible with Ipods?

      If it isn't it will definitely fail.

      If it is, that means that, although the format will support DRM, most of the music released in that format will be DRM-free. Or, it could mean that they will release the DRM specs to Apple, and Apple will release firmware updates for all Ipods and new Itunes software to support the format. The latter will be very difficult for the record companies, since it will require massively persuading Apple.

    2. Re:Open formats by alen · · Score: 1

      I read about this two weeks ago. This idea was originally made up by the record companies and pitched to apple. The record companies didn't like apple's walled garden approach and didn't want to lose control like they did with iTunes so they have their own open format to compete with apple.

    3. Re:Open formats by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

      I'm not a fan of Apple's walled garden approach either. If it's open, perhaps Amazon and others will adopt it. As long as it's not used to push DRM, it's not a bad idea.

    4. Re:Open formats by hedwards · · Score: 1

      I'm curious how they think that's going to fly. Apple was able to behave the way they were because the DoJ wasn't taking antitrust regulation seriously and Apple had a huge market of people with iPods to sell to. Without the huge market and with the DoJ more concerned with the law, I'm not sure how this has any chance at all.

      OTOH when it's inevitably cracked, I'm sure it will be convenient for piracy.

    5. Re:Open formats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      iTunes isn't the only online music store, you know. Amazon sells MP3s ala carte (so you don't have to download nine tracks of shite to get one good one), as do other sites like eMusic.

      (obDisclaimer: I own stock in neither of those sites. I just buy a lot of music from them because they have what I like for sale.)

  6. Just a new complication. by BlueKitties · · Score: 1

    This format won't add anything new to the software world, it's just a new complication. There's absolutely nothing new or exciting about this format, we can get the same effect with folders and multiple files -- or just cramming a few files together and splitting them apart when needed. This is just a pathetic attempt to keep control over people's software -- if it's their format, they can dictate what people can do with it. They might as well advertise this as "new exciting ways to force you to use our software how we decide."

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    1. Re:Just a new complication. by caffeinemessiah · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This format won't add anything new to the software world, it's just a new complication. There's absolutely nothing new or exciting about this format, we can get the same effect with folders and multiple files -- or just cramming a few files together and splitting them apart when needed.

      While I agree in principle with what you say, it's actually much easier than that. My crappy Winamp will auto-tag songs based on a lossy hash, grab the album cover art from some mysterious server, and display some sort of music website with the latest news about the artist, etc. You can install a free plugin that downloads the lyrics to the song, if you want, or you could get off your lazy ass and just Google it.

      What these people don't seem to understand about albums is that they were a very physical thing (yes, past tense). You touched it on the shelf at the record store, turned it over to see if you knew any of the songs, then had a little (or big for vinyl) booklet to browse too.

      When you put the album in your music playing device, you made a conscious decision to listen to at least a few songs from it. Nobody switched out albums like crazy playing one song after the other. Any sort of "digital album" will necessarily have that functionality, negating the whole album concept. Those who would listen to all the songs would just buy them individually, and those who would not won't.

      Unless, they intend on killing the single by forcing albums down our throat. Helllooo, bittorrent...

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    2. Re:Just a new complication. by IBBoard · · Score: 1

      Any sort of "digital album" will necessarily have that functionality, negating the whole album concept.

      Either that or they're purposefully trying to push people back to the "playing a number of tracks from the album" way of listening to music.

      Given that they aren't likely to be compatible with existing players (if they are then they're basically just an archive and you've got to extract them first, defeating the idea of an "album file") they're going to have to have their own player with their own controls.

    3. Re:Just a new complication. by scalarscience · · Score: 1

      I would say the album was an outgrowth of singles not only because it was more convenient for consumers & because pressing technology had matured to where you could reliably fit 45-60 minutes on a 12", but also because of the appeal it had for artists to tell a fuller 'story' for a while. 2-3 decades later it was used as a way to push as much music as possible in a format that was simple to mass produce and incredibly cheap (vinyl isn't as simple and certainly isn't as cheap to make/ship/stock.) As albums turned into more & more filler, people started turning to programmable CD changers and the like to have more ability to pick & choose just the material they wanted to hear, or in the order they want to hear etc.

      Now that I can get get to that 30% that I want to hear without accepting the rest, and can carry around hundreds/thousands times more than I could with a CD book (and catalogue even vaster amounts at home) it doesn't follow that I'm only going to buy 30% of the music I used to. That's something these fat cat major labels have yet to figure out. I'm consuming more music than I ever have (and producing more as well!) but the money and attention is going to the people who can deliver what I'm looking for as quickly as possible, with reliable quality to me in a selection that suits my interests. Interestingly enough I DO still buy albums, though often in mp3/flac/mp4 format (and rarely of major label backed work), and I also buy more vinyl these days, both as a result of the my musical exploration in digital singles & online streaming music.

      It seems to me that playlists for 'ripped' mp3's are a direct outgrowth of that (a maturing of the random access that CDs began to introduce to listeners), and our modern digital formats have been unencumbered from the 'filler' material used to justify propped up prices. Once you've been able to pick and choose (and for those not ethically opposed, sample things here & there before you buy) it's very hard to go 'back' to just accepting that you may only like a small percentage of the overall music you're buying when you considered purchases not by number of tracks but rather by the the packaging (CD/LP/EP/Tapes etc).

      So this particular article (which was brief and had NO technical info about the format) reads as, is the studios said "hey in the early days of vinyl we went from singles to albums and made a bundle, we can't sell albums now but maybe if we turn the file format into an album the good days of old will return!" To the technoliterate it seems to be ignoring the fact that 1. you can easily package things into albums now using a cue file plus single compressed file with embedded artwork in the tagging is the easiest for a fully blended/mixed 'album', or of course just have a bunch of files in directories. But of course this is about PR, marketing and atttempts at restoring 'profit margins' (and if DRM laden, control.)

      It seems like the encumbent tends to resist change, constantly trying to adapt existing marketing & formatting decisions by changing thigns as little as possible. The middlemen are disappearing, the amount of inexpensive gear available to your average 'home' artist & enthusiast mean that the bookings in studios are thinning out and fat cats aren't as necessary if you don't need to pay for 40 days of studio lockout time to be able to produce an 'album' anymore. So the whole era of largesse & slow return on investments is gone, fading with the fat cats now that you can put in a minor investment of time and yield incredibly fast delivery/turnaround on getting stuff into the market. Also it seems to me that live music is thriving more due to the variety of music in people's palette these days, although economically depressed there seems to be more activity now that promoting yourself & connecting to fans has the benefit of the online mediums.

  7. Compatibility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the subject says it all, unless its a cd/dvd hybrid I don't think they will get the market, too many digital formats to deal with for multimedia, not to mention a DRM nightmare for the consumer if they decide to go that route.

  8. A few predictions by Techmeology · · Score: 5, Insightful

    1) CMX will be used to facilitate DRM
    2) CMX will be used to facilitate unwanted bundling (i.e. without offering singles)
    3) CMX will be patent riddled
    4) CMX will be designed to exclude FOSS

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    1. Re:A few predictions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      1..n) Numerous ways how CMX will used to annoy the consumer unnecessarily.
      n+1) CMX will be a failure.
      n+2) Years later, labels realize that CMX is a failure.
      n+ever) Labels get why it is so and correct their behavior.

    2. Re:A few predictions by Tacvek · · Score: 5, Insightful

      My Guess:
      CMX will require using specific Windows software (5 years later a Mac version will be released), and will require a mandatory 30+ second anti-piracy video before you can play a song.

      Perhaps I am wrong. I mean I would not mind a file format that allowed album artwork, lyrics, and liner notes to be stored in a standardized way along with all the songs of a single album, as long as individual songs can still be extracted.

      But why bother? The iTunes extentions to the aac format allow album art, all the information from liner notes, lyrics (although not synchronized lyrics AFAIK), and more to be embeded in a song. Heck, it even supports synchronized images to be muxed in along with the audio, and chapter marks to be inserted.

      So I see no advantage to such a system over a zip file of all the songs of the album in AAC format, unless the whole purpose is to make albums into a branded experience.

      My guess is that the format is really just a way to bundle the autoplay executable, and other "extended extras" found on the data track of modern audio CDs.

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    3. Re:A few predictions by LeperPuppet · · Score: 1
      Further predictions of stupidity and almost inevitable failure:
      • CMX will be a clusterfuck of a standard which is only accessibly by buggy, security-hole ridden software that Sony would be proud of. The DRM will likely be broken shortly before/after release and extracted audio files will be leaked to most p2p networks. The DMCA hammer will be clumsily used to deal with such problems.
      • The labels will attempt to strong-arm Apple into supporting their format. Should Apple refuse, they'll threaten to pull some or all of their catalogue and go it alone. They could even make a leap of trying to organise Zune exclusivity with Microsoft. Such an act will ultimately hurt them more than it would Apple, unless most of the portable media player market discards their current players for new Zunes.
      • After many years the format will have gone nowhere, despite the labels spending millions on pushing it. Those who were foolish enough to actually buy into it will lose access to their music when the labels shut down the authentication servers.
      • Several years later the labels will again come up with a crazy scheme to retake control of their digital sales, which will repeat most of their previous mistakes and also fail.
    4. Re:A few predictions by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Funny

      Unfortunately, to a music industry exec, your post looks something like this:

      "Blah, blah, geeky whinging, blah blah, yada yada Mandatory 30+ Second Anti-Piracy Video kids these days.... iTunes... foo blah, etc Album.

      Branded Experience!

      Blah, blah, mumble, blah. foo winge"

      They'll definitely fuck this one up.

    5. Re:A few predictions by pinkishpunk · · Score: 1

      Will probabily be a Windows application, self hosting it all, with the options to export a drm infected 128kbit wma files for the mobile units, that way they can try and secure the audio data inside the applican, with the same success as the software industry has had with games and copy protection all this years.

    6. Re:A few predictions by Nerdfest · · Score: 1, Insightful
      But why bother? The iTunes extentions to the aac format allow album art, all the information from liner notes, lyrics (although not synchronized lyrics AFAIK), and more to be embeded in a song. Heck, it even supports synchronized images to be muxed in along with the audio, and chapter marks to be inserted.

      AAC isn't open, and neither is iTunes. Not everyone has, or even wants an iPod. Amazingly, if the labels make this an open format, it will be a significant improvement. Of course, the odds are against it.

    7. Re:A few predictions by ucblockhead · · Score: 4, Informative

      AAC is an open standard not owned by Apple.

      You are likely thinking of "Fairplay", which is Apple's DRM scheme, and which was discontinued.

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    8. Re:A few predictions by Tacvek · · Score: 1

      But we was right in so far that Apple's extensions to AAC which are heavily used by iTunes for the features I described are not an open standard. As far as I can tell, this is only because they have not bothered to document these extensions in an appropriate format, and currently don't plan to do so since there is no demand for that. If Microsoft or some other vendor started pestering them, I suspect they would document the extensions.

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    9. Re:A few predictions by grub · · Score: 2, Funny

      You forgot:
      n+3) years: RIAA blames piracy for the failure of CMX and contributes heavily to politicians for new laws.

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    10. Re:A few predictions by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      0) CMX DRM will be cracked within 1 month of the release of the first album (I'm being generous here).

      0a) As a corollary, every new CMX release will be available as a torrent in zipped MP3+PNG+TXT format (to preserve all the original goodies) on the day of release.

    11. Re:A few predictions by imroy · · Score: 1

      I mean I would not mind a file format that allowed album artwork, lyrics, and liner notes to be stored in a standardized way along with all the songs of a single album, as long as individual songs can still be extracted.

      FLAC has been doing this for years - rip an entire album as one long track and embed the CUE sheet. It allows you to write an audio CD that is an exact copy (including all the right gaps), or to break it up into individual tracks. The artist/album/genre/etc info is in a Vorbis comment block, and any album cover art can be embedded as well. Tada! No need to reinvent the wheel.

      Except it has no DRM and is widely supported by those smelly hippie Linux users and their open sores software! So of course they must reinvent the wheel...

    12. Re:A few predictions by imroy · · Score: 1

      The iTunes extentions to the aac format allow album art, all the information from liner notes, lyrics (although not synchronized lyrics AFAIK), and more to be embeded in a song.

      No, actually those features are handled by the (standard) MPEG-4 container format. That's something that the "MP3" format never had. MP3 is just an MPEG-1 audio elemental stream, never really intended to be used on its own. That's why the hack that is ID3 had to be invented.

    13. Re:A few predictions by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

      I'm getting very tired of being modded "troll" when saying anything remotely against Apple.

    14. Re:A few predictions by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

      You can stream or create files for AAC without a license, but must pay license fees to create a codec.

    15. Re:A few predictions by jhol13 · · Score: 1

      How about CD text (for lyrics) + multi-session where the another session is standardised so that e.g. portable DVD players can show the artwork & perhaps the (low res) video?
      Then some iTunes/whatnot software which can load all that into iPod/whatnot and do the same?

      I must stress that I am so old that I do like to hold something in my hand (so electronic-only is not good for me).

    16. Re:A few predictions by bay43270 · · Score: 1

      I'm having trouble finding info on this. Are you referring to how they store data in the MPEG-4 wrapper?

    17. Re:A few predictions by muckracer · · Score: 1

      > [FLAC] allows you to break it [large flac file + cue sheet] up into individual tracks.

      Please tell me how to do this...I've never gotten that to work.

      And anyone having the issue,that ripping a CD in K3B as large FLAC w/cuesheet doesn't let you skip to specific songs in the album when played in Amarok? Some albums strangely work just fine, other's I can only play the whole damn thing :-/

    18. Re:A few predictions by imroy · · Score: 1

      See this blog - Splitting CUE/FLAC Files using cuetools and shntool (both in Debian/Ubuntu). Annoyingly the filenames are in the form 'split-tracknn.flac', so you'll still have to rename them. I have a Perl script that pulls out the FLAC metadata (written by the cuetag program) and renames them to 'nn-track name.flac'.

    19. Re:A few predictions by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      The only thing that Apple doesn't document is their DRM scheme, which only applies to music bought from the iTunes store and not under the iTunes Plus umbrella. All of their tagging is done using MPEG-4 atoms, which are part of the MPEG-4 container format (itself based on the Quicktime MOV format). There are two open source libraries that I know of for reading these (I've used one in a media player, and it correctly displays metadata from music I bought from iTunes Plus and plays it back using libavcodec).

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    20. Re:A few predictions by hedwards · · Score: 1

      You mean was discontinued after Apple observed that it was almost impossible for other companies to take much of their market share away. It's not an accident that Apple steadfastly refused to license Fairplay to any other companies while negotiating exclusive online distribution rights.

    21. Re:A few predictions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately, in this instance, I believe you were modded troll due to being incorrect about the AAC format in an Apple post. Spreading misinformation (or possibly disinformation) in an Apple post is a sure path to -1 Troll.

    22. Re:A few predictions by cparker15 · · Score: 1

      That's right. That would kind of make AAC not an open standard.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Audio_Coding#Licensing_and_patents

      Once again, mods: "Troll" does not mean "I don't agree with".

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    23. Re:A few predictions by kheldan · · Score: 1

      5) CMX will be able to be converted to common formats using a FOSS utility within days (if not hours or minutes) of being released because NOBODY will want it.

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    24. Re:A few predictions by hazydave · · Score: 1

      Fairplay is still alive, well, and lurking inside most video files from Apple (some promotional stuff is distributed DRM-free). They went DRM-free on music to compete with companies like Amazon, who began with a DRM-free and flexible pricing model (Amazon sells whole albums sometimes for $2.00-$4.00... not super mainstream stuff, but new/indy stuff, back catalog, etc).

      As long as video is tied up in DRM, Apple won't do anything to change that. As with CDs, DVDs and Blu-Ray still deliver the best quality and most portabililty, given the ease to which the DRMs are disabled with these media.

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    25. Re:A few predictions by Tacvek · · Score: 1

      True. The extentions are in the form of MPEG-4 container format attributes. I was using the phrase aac format as a shorthand for "an MPEG-4 container containing no video, but containing an audio stream in aac format". And while some of the attributes iTunes uses are part of the MPEG-4 container format standard, several important ones are not.

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    26. Re:A few predictions by Tacvek · · Score: 1

      Yes, except Apple uses non-standard and undocumented MPEG-4 atoms for some features, especially metadata of types not specified in the MPEG-4 container format specification.

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    27. Re:A few predictions by Tacvek · · Score: 1

      That depends on the definition of Open Standards one is using. There are many definitions, including quite a few that allow for patents with RAND licensing, such as the AAC patents.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Standard

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    28. Re:A few predictions by metamatic · · Score: 1

      Perhaps I am wrong. I mean I would not mind a file format that allowed album artwork, lyrics, and liner notes to be stored in a standardized way along with all the songs of a single album

      We already have that, it's called MP3. ID3v2 tags allow you to store album artwork, lyrics and liner notes. All that's needed is a way to package all the MP3s together so that they look like one icon, and call it an album. iTunes already does that, so basically they're solving a non-problem.

      If they really want to do so anyway, I'd suggest following the Java .jar approach. Make the album file a simple zip file with a different extension, containing MP3 files of the actual music, and a metadata directory with a standard name containing the album art and liner notes in the form of web pages. You could trivially make a nice client player for that for both Windows and OS X, and no special tools will be needed to build it. Should be easy to support on portable players too. You could optionally provide multiple resolutions of artwork, or PDF versions, but keep the web/JPEG/PNG version as the baseline.

      Of course, my guess is they'll do something far more stupid, probably involving DRM.

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    29. Re:A few predictions by complete+loony · · Score: 1

      Bingo. I mean seriously, if you want a standard file format that contains all the things they want, just use a standard archive format and change the file extension and first four bytes. Then specify the supported naming conventions and file formats for everything in it. Let anyone create these files with just a bog standard archiving program if they want to.

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  9. More for your money. by tacarat · · Score: 4, Interesting

    While doubtful, I want to know if the people in charge of this product are going to give us the "what the consumer wants" that WE want, what they THINK we want or SOS with a higher price tag. At some point these executives need to catch on that they're middle men and have a shrinking role in the game unless they work on increasing their assets rather than controls.

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    1. Re:More for your money. by youngone · · Score: 1

      I think the answer to your question is quite obvious, (although its a fair question to ask). Of course not. The entertainment cartel are not interested in what their customers want, I don't really think the music business really knows much about their customers either. This will be doomed to failure due to price or DRM or a lack of interoperability, or a combination of the above. It does however give the entertainment cartel another chace to complain to various law makers about how piracy is killing their business, and get some more restrictive laws passed.

    2. Re:More for your money. by maxume · · Score: 1

      Companies like Disney may not understand what music buyers in general are interested in, but they have their hands so far up their customers asses I don't even want to think about it. They just manufacture a new pop star every 3 or 4 years. It is quite impressive.

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    3. Re:More for your money. by Recovery1 · · Score: 1

      It's easy to manufacture a new young pop star to pre teen and teen groups. The collective intelligence of such groups is usually in the negative digits so they are extremely susceptible to marketing. You could sell pet rocks to this group if you market it correctly and glitter them up... Hey that's not a bad idea. A return of the pet rock is about due. Let me just get some venture capital in place...

    4. Re:More for your money. by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      While doubtful, I want to know if the people in charge of this product are going to give us the "what the consumer wants" that WE want, what they THINK we want or SOS with a higher price tag.

      I think the RIAA cabal has been infiltrated by the Greenwich Mean Tribe with the goal of making them kill themselves. It's sad when a Cory Doctorow plot is the most logical explanation for a real-life phenomenon.

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    5. Re:More for your money. by ronaldb · · Score: 1

      CMX - The Music Industry's Genuine Advantage.

  10. Really?!?! by Spewns · · Score: 3, Funny

    "songs, lyrics, videos, liner notes, and artwork". Brilliant! Although I think I found a better technology for this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tar_(file_format)

    1. Re:Really?!?! by symbolset · · Score: 1

      I was going with zipped file, but yeah, that.

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    2. Re:Really?!?! by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Even that isn't needed. ID3v2 allows to store all of that already (except videos - but why would you want that in an audio file??), and most desktop and portable players these days can understand and display that stuff.

    3. Re:Really?!?! by ianare · · Score: 1

      Yes, what if there was some way of embedding all that info into one file ... why, it would be revolutionary : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ID3#ID3v2

      There are standard frames for containing cover art, BPM, copyright and license, lyrics, and arbitrary text and URL data, as well as other things.

    4. Re:Really?!?! by Lunzo · · Score: 1

      I've got a better way to deliver this digital album.

      1. Store your songs on digital optical media.
      2. Bundle your optical media along with lyrics, liner notes and artwork in a flimsy plastic case.
      3. Send these packages out to the shops
      4. ?????
      5. Profit!

      Unfortunately the record companies don't know what step 4. is.

  11. let them go for it by hype7 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    it won't really matter. if there's one thing the labels can be relied upon to do, it's to provide something that people don't want.

    1. Re:let them go for it by roesti · · Score: 1

      if there's one thing the labels can be relied upon to do, it's to provide something that people don't want.

      But enough about today's pop music - let's talk about a new digital album format.

  12. My digital album format by RDW · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sounds like both Apple and the Major Labels are infringing on my patented Digital Album Format. The working project title is 'Directory', but it looks like I'll now need a TLA to compete with Big Media - 'DIR'? DIR can hold any reasonable number of 'tracks', or even multiple albums and movies, each of which is 'tagged' with all the relevant data and album artwork, and all of which are already compatible with iTunes! Recently I've also implemented 'a brand new look, with a launch page and all the different options.' Like CMX, 'When you click on it you're not just going to get the 10 tracks, you're going to get the artwork, the video and mobile products'. Obviously I can't give away too many details at this point, but I can tell you that I'm thinking of calling the DIR launch page 'index.html'.

    1. Re:My digital album format by Kratisto · · Score: 5, Funny

      Your technology sounds extremely promising, but how do you plan to keep track of multiple DIR files? I've invented a technology that we're calling "Folder" around the office. With it, we can create complex trees of digitally organized music, video, and even ebooks. The major advantage here is that you can use "Folder" to create repositories for all your digital media ranging in specificity from artists down to albums. You can even launch the media directly from your "Folder" viewer with two clicks! We expect the major bugs to be worked out fairly soon, and you might see "Folder" on your computer in the first quarter 2010.

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    2. Re:My digital album format by value_added · · Score: 1

      Sounds like both Apple and the Major Labels are infringing on my patented Digital Album Format. The working project title is 'Directory' ...

      Ha! But I've already patented `.' and `..' so all of you are infringing.

    3. Re:My digital album format by TheGreenNuke · · Score: 5, Funny

      I like your idea for the technology you call "Folder". Mind if i expand on that an create what I'll call a "Library"? This "Library" will be a user-defined collection on files portraying the data independent of your "Folder" tree. the User will be able to group and flatten the tree however they desire by aggregating multiple physical locations into a single view. If you can get your "Folder" technology together in time I'd like to go for an official release in late October 2009 for my "Library" technology.

    4. Re:My digital album format by NonSequor · · Score: 1

      Chances are they want to provide things like DVD style menus that work consistently across a range of devices with different display and input capabilities. That's not a terrible idea and it is the sort of thing that you need some sort of standard for beyond "just use HTML".

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    5. Re:My digital album format by jrumney · · Score: 1

      but it looks like I'll now need a TLA to compete with Big Media

      Distributed Version Control sounds like an interesting "method and apparatus for distributing Digital Albums". I think the entrenched competition from bittorrent might be difficult to overcome though.

    6. Re:My digital album format by Neoncow · · Score: 1

      Regarding TLAs, the acronym is a euphemism to mask the true intent.

      Digital Restrictions Management

      No acronyms. When educating people, we need to be clear, concise, and accurate.

    7. Re:My digital album format by jonaskoelker · · Score: 1

      Your implementation probably infringes on my patent: the B-tree ;-)

    8. Re:My digital album format by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Chances are they want to provide things like DVD style menus that work consistently across a range of devices with different display and input capabilities. That's not a terrible idea and it is the sort of thing that you need some sort of standard for beyond "just use HTML".

      Why would I need DVD style menus on a music album? Last I checked, all players already provide convenient means to freely navigate both between and within the tracks; what else is needed?

    9. Re:My digital album format by NonSequor · · Score: 1

      Supposing that a band is interesting enough to listen to, I would think that they would be interesting enough to put together some interesting supplementary material: art, liner notes, etc.

      It gives bands an opportunity to have a more creative platform for presentation than just a cover image and a track list, which is all a digital album amounts to at present.

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    10. Re:My digital album format by PeterBrett · · Score: 1

      Chances are they want to provide things like DVD style menus that work consistently across a range of devices with different display and input capabilities. That's not a terrible idea and it is the sort of thing that you need some sort of standard for beyond "just use HTML".

      No, that is a terrible idea. Anyway, what's wrong with HTML+Javascript for that application? People have been designing webpages that "work consistently across a range of devices with different display and input capabilities" for years.

    11. Re:My digital album format by NonSequor · · Score: 1

      There are still some semantics to specify and tyey

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    12. Re:My digital album format by snowdropper · · Score: 2, Funny

      Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

    13. Re:My digital album format by TheGreenNuke · · Score: 1

      Was this DVD style menu idea for a CD not already tried with the Enhanced CD/CDInteractive back in the early/mid 90's?

    14. Re:My digital album format by hazydave · · Score: 1

      eg, sort of like DivX 6 did several years ago. Or any old .mp4 file could have, if the powers that be had established standards for things like navigation.

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  13. Still failing to grasp their audience by AdamD1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Several colleagues of mine pointed me to this story and I just have to say: the labels - again - still don't get it, and they apparently never will.

    I can understand why some artists create full length works. Few can argue that an album like Pink Floyd's "The Wall" or The Beatles' "Abbey Road" work very well as complete pieces. The reality is: how many current artists are making albums that consistent? I can think of only three that actually make the cut for me: Queens of the Stone Age, The Mars Volta and until lately Nine Inch Nails. With only that last example, their audiences are not earning them in the tens of millions in sales. The only artists which are are the artists which are responsible for this massive audience shift away from album purchases!

    Britney Spears is the veritable poster-child for why albums are failing: even if you are a die-hard fan, you really only want two songs, at most perhaps five, from any of her full length albums. That says: you don't want to spend $15 - $20 for a complete CD / $9.99 per digital album download. You prefer to purchase individual tracks. (That and: you'd probably still prefer they cost around $0.49)

    On the other hand, if their audience are "classic rock fans", I still don't see the point. If you're a Led Zeppelin fan, you likely already have all the remastered reissues and re-re-re-issues you care to spend any money on in the first place. (And the Beatles re-re-re-re-masters are coming out imminently as well, marking something like the eighth time those have been re-issued of re-packaged in one way or another.)

    That well has run dry. Why they don't face this fact is confusing.

    I know that individual tracks aren't going away, and I know that digital sales on their own aren't necessarily resulting in booming profits for any of these labels, but my point is: as someone who has been a voracious consumer of music since 1979, I see utterly no legitimate business case for this "new" format, and it baffles me completely that any major label would seriously consider this as the saviour of their industry.

    I would have been far more excited to hear that they decided on a $0.40 per single purchase price for new artists - big marketing campaign or not - rather than this ridiculous additional format. That or that they finally decided to give the artists more of a cut of the digital download price, since printing, shipping and manufacturing costs are of course greatly reduced for any digital download format. (Not saying it doesn't still take a creative team to create artwork, but there is no shipping, and no printing involved.)

    I've already made a few wagers: I give this two and a half years at best before we see an unsurprising news story claiming that this did not significantly improve any digital music sales for anyone.

    What a waste of money already. They still have a full year before they even release the first one.

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    1. Re:Still failing to grasp their audience by SomeJoel · · Score: 1

      I give this two and a half years at best before we see an unsurprising news story claiming that this did not significantly improve any digital music sales for anyone.

      Well it would have, if it weren't for all those god damn pirates!

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    2. Re:Still failing to grasp their audience by AndrewNeo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My (favorite band) has always managed to make their best songs not-singles. Usually the singles are the ones I -don't- like off their albums. I'd rather they keep making full albums, especially so when I go to see them live it's not like I paid $60 to listen to the radio.

    3. Re:Still failing to grasp their audience by mblase · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Britney Spears is the veritable poster-child for why albums are failing: even if you are a die-hard fan, you really only want two songs, at most perhaps five, from any of her full length albums.

      You've got that right, except for the way you seem to be placing blame at Britney Spears' feet.

      The greatest "rock albums" out there are almost always wholly written and created by the bands themselves, bands with the creativity and experience necessary to be good songwriters as well as good performers.

      But BS is a singer, not a musician. She was created by the music labels as a pretty face and voice to sell albums, and they used a handful of good singles written by other people to sell entire albums of songs.

      This is and has been the music labels' modus operandi for decades, because it works and it's more reliable -- it's easier to find a good singer who's hot than a good singer who's hot and can write and play good songs.

      Moreover, creating a complete album crafted as a whole is a time-consuming endeavor which should not be pursued by the faint of heart. It's difficult and risky. And since it requires an actual attention span to appreciate, its appeal is likewise much more limited.

      The labels have been promoting the singles-based emphasis ever since they first came into existence, because that's how songs used to be recorded. The album is a much more recent invention. Small surprise they're having trouble adapting to it.

      In my opinion, the labels would be better off spending time finding ways to make more money with singles than diddling around with online albums.

    4. Re:Still failing to grasp their audience by Hoplite3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree that this is out of touch. It's also out of touch in a revealing way. The execs are seeking to "add back" to the digital album the things they were used to from the physical album. But the new generation of music listeners have no experience with the old album. To them, the band's "art" is their website. The band's videos (from concerts and so on) are either on the website or on youtube.

      I do think there's more to the album than the possibility for theme. I think bands work better when work is focused on creating something longer than a single track. I think the stress of limited studio time to create an LP has enabled some bands to do good work. But this doesn't mean that the album of this century will be like the one of last century.

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    5. Re:Still failing to grasp their audience by youngone · · Score: 1

      This is a terrific post. AdamD1 has thought about this before posting, and then organised his thoughts very well, but he's missing a very clue here. He says he is confused about a couple of decisions the labels have made, which is a fair comment, unless you remember that the people running these businesses are reasonably stupid. The internet has been available as a distribution channels to these dickwads for more than 10 years, and they have either ignored it, tried to litigate against it, bribed politicians to make it go away, or produced some half-arsed attempted to use it. The people who run the music business just don't really know what they're doing. Yes, yes there's been an awful lot of money made over the last 40 years or so, but times have changed, and the big labels have no clue what to do next.

    6. Re:Still failing to grasp their audience by taustin · · Score: 1

      Sing it, brother. The last album I bought expecting more than maybe two decent tracks was Meat Loaf: Bat out of Hell, from which every single track was in the top 40 at one time or another. If the RIAA wants me to buy albums, they need to produce albums that aren't 90% festering crop that sucks donkey dick. I've spend more money on music since Amazon started selling DRM-free MP3s than, literally, my entire life before that (which would be 40+ years). And the day I can't buy DRM-free something will be the day I stop buying music again.

    7. Re:Still failing to grasp their audience by glwtta · · Score: 1

      That says: you don't want to spend $15 - $20 for a complete CD / $9.99 per digital album download. You prefer to purchase individual tracks.

      Personally, I've never really felt that way. If an artist can't manage an album that I would enjoy, I can't really see paying for any music from them, even if it is $1 for one song. What does it mean to like an artist, if you think they can only manage a couple of listenable songs every few years?

      Maybe it's because I'm so used to listening to complete albums that I just haven't caught up with the way the kids today "consume" their music (get off my lawn, etc; but dammit - I'm not even 30 yet!)

      One thing I definitely disagree with, though, is the whole "nobody makes good music anymore" assessment. Even with my (apparently archaic) purchasing strategy, I can still easily find one or two dozen releases per year that I am excited enough about to at least download for "evaluation" (I end up buying probably half of those).

      (Having said all that, I really don't care about the various packaging accoutrements: 14 mp3s/oggs (and maybe a jpeg of the cover art) is just fine by me)

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    8. Re:Still failing to grasp their audience by glwtta · · Score: 1

      unless you remember that the people running these businesses are reasonably stupid

      Are they? Like you said, the technology that renders their business model essentially obsolete has been around for more than a decade, yet they've managed to hold on to their (near) monopoly and have consistently made obscene amounts of money (while providing no tangible benefit to their consumers).

      They can't really "change with the times" and embrace new distribution technologies - that would leave them open to competition they could never hope to survive. Their best bet is to throw around their financial and political weight to keep the barriers to entry high and marginalize new distribution methods as much as possible; it's probably a losing battle in the long run, but they can make it a long run indeed.

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    9. Re:Still failing to grasp their audience by dem0n1 · · Score: 1

      Not to mention coming up with songs and maybe even a cohesive concept to tie them all together cuts into time the bad could be non-stop touring for the next two years.

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    10. Re:Still failing to grasp their audience by ianare · · Score: 2, Insightful

      it's easier to find a good singer who's hot than a good singer who's hot and can write and play good songs.

      It's also the kind of mentality where a singer needs to be hot to sell anything which is doing a serious disservice to music in general.

    11. Re:Still failing to grasp their audience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Few can argue that an album like Pink Floyd's "The Wall" or The Beatles' "Abbey Road" work very well as complete pieces. The reality is: how many current artists are making albums that consistent?

      It's unfair to hold up "Abbey Road" or "Dark Side of the Moon" as the standard. Those are very high on the scale even for good artists, and they are conceptually designed AS albums (not just as collections of many good songs) to boot.

      If you're willing to settle for "artists whose albums are consistently worth buying", try just about anything by Alison Krauss or Marcia Ball.

    12. Re:Still failing to grasp their audience by fluffernutter · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think a more accurate term for what BS is would be 'performer'.

      It's about the entire show, not just the singing. No one cares that she didn't create anything.

      No I do not like her.

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    13. Re:Still failing to grasp their audience by bami · · Score: 1

      Abbey Road wasn't designed as an album, it's the last breath of the Beatles, a series of left-overs all compiled into one grand finale (with the second side mixed into one lengthy piece). Sure, it turned out well, but if you're looking for an album designed as an album instead of a series of songs, the best attempt from the Beatles was Sgt Peppers, but they even failed at that since they abandoned the idea after the intro, outro and With a little help from my friends, or Let it Be, which also failed as a concept.

      Nothing against the Beatles though, they make great music, but that was not the best example you could have chosen.

    14. Re:Still failing to grasp their audience by tygerstripes · · Score: 2, Funny

      LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE!!!

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    15. Re:Still failing to grasp their audience by AttillaTheNun · · Score: 1

      FYI, the Beatles catalog hasn't undergone a remaster since their CD debut in 87/88. Perhaps you are confusing them with The Doors.

    16. Re:Still failing to grasp their audience by wakdjunkaga · · Score: 1

      I don't know how important this would be to the general audience, but as a musician what I'm waiting (and would pay good money for) are songs where I can break out individual tracks to better study what the artists were doing. This is especially useful when, for instance, a guitar player double-tracks playing slightly different riffs - I have a hard time hearing them as separate entities in the final mix. If they are developing a different standard then why not craft if so 3rd party authors can easily build 'sheet music' and tablature scores that sync in automatically with the song?

    17. Re:Still failing to grasp their audience by GWBasic · · Score: 1

      The labels have been promoting the singles-based emphasis ever since they first came into existence, because that's how songs used to be recorded. The album is a much more recent invention. Small surprise they're having trouble adapting to it.

      Ever listen to classical? There are short pieces and long pieces. Beethoven's 9th is so popular that the playback time of a CD was chosen specifically so it could fit an entire performance without swapping / flipping.

      Beethoven's 9th is AWESOME, and it predates recorded music.

  14. Just curious... by danwesnor · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... but was the Apple tablet dragged into this article just because Slashdot is the only site not spreading that rumor?

  15. Leaked CMX details! by Jugalator · · Score: 5, Funny

    The music track will use the Ogg Vorbis format, included videos using Ogg Theora, liner notes and lyrics being XML formatted with various included XSLT stylesheets for 10 different attractive layouts as chosen by the artists, as opposed to the music label! The CMX sales will be supported by donations and revenue reaped from immense sales of concert tickets, thanks to naked girls performing in the pauses as they serve Ubuntu Cola!

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    1. Re:Leaked CMX details! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      +1 Arousing

    2. Re:Leaked CMX details! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right.

    3. Re:Leaked CMX details! by jonaskoelker · · Score: 1

      The music track will use the Ogg Vorbis format

      Dammit, I was hoping to drink that coffee!

      naked girls performing in the pauses as they serve Ubuntu Cola!

      You owe me a new pair of underpants.

  16. lol failboat continues by Teriblows · · Score: 1

    seriously... if they were going to give us more they should do this, make up for their sacd/dvdaudio f*ckups by putting out an open standard drm free high definition audio format and sell tracks that way. then maybe they'd get back some good will, demonstrating they are giving customers more for their money, not just doing things out of pure greed. anyways itunes already has told them exactly what consumers want, they want the good tracks. the "album" is not dead because of lack of a new format, its dead because people would rather not buy the other 7 shit tracks to get 2-3 good songs.

  17. I wonder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will CMX make CMX releases of their albums?

  18. What about CD? by _merlin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Isn't the venerable Compact Disc a "digital album format" already? That's why it doesn't degrade with repeated playback, after all.

    1. Re:What about CD? by SCHecklerX · · Score: 1

      Indeed. Sell the things for $5 a pop. Let us then rip/encode/tag as we ourselves see fit. Oh well.

    2. Re:What about CD? by Chelloveck · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately that format is not wholly digital. There are a big analog components known as the "artwork" and "liner notes". They contain all sorts of juicy metadata that is hard to find elsewhere, such as lyrics, photos of something other than the front cover, documentation on who played which instruments on a given piece, who actually wrote the song, etc. None of that is included digitally on a CD. Even standard metadata like the track title and performer aren't included digitally on most CDs. You have to scrape those off some web site like CDDB or MusicBrainz.

      I would really love to see some sort of standard format for album metadata. Yeah, you can dump all the audio tracks in a directory, and tag them with a good amount of metadata. But once you get beyond the few fields defined by ID3 everything goes to hell. You end up with a lot of poorly structured data stored ad-hoc in the comments fields.

      Ideally I'd like to see a standarized XML file in addition to the tracks. The XML file gives all the metadata for each track, plus any additional metadata for the album as a whole. (Artwork, production notes, whatever.) The XML file could link to other files in the directory for data which can't be conveniently stored as plain text (jpg, pdf, videos, etc.) Nesting should be possible, to support multi-volume releases. Put everything in a directory tree with the XML file chock full o' metadata, and zip the thing up. There's your album. Open the zip to get at the individual parts.

      Notice that I haven't mentioned anything about DRM, codecs, or even the type of media involved. This idea could be extended to any collection of media files, from plain-text books to music to photos to audio/video/photo/text multimedia extravaganzas. The important thing is that the vast majority of fields are defined in some standard somewhere, to keep the amount of ad-hocery to a minimum.

      This isn't rocket science, but it's a wheel that keeps getting reinvented by every "library manager" program out there, whether you're talking about a library of books, music, or photos. None of the programs can share any but the most basic metadata, which is a shame. Unfortunately my needs as a consumer don't entirely line up with the needs of the producers. I want an open, flexible format that any device can read. They want DRM and lock-in. My dream isn't going to come true until it's implemented by someone with a big enough market share to make it worthwhile for all the little guys to support it as well. I'm not going to hold my breath.

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  19. Maybe they should try MP3? by rickb928 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just a thought...

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    1. Re:Maybe they should try MP3? by Jugalator · · Score: 2, Informative

      WAT! But what is the revenue in selling music and trusting your customers!!

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  20. Just Keep Making CDs by travisb828 · · Score: 1

    Believe it or not I still buy CDs. It's nice to "import them into Windows Media Player using the protected WMA file format" and still have a CD on my shelf that give me that old school music library look.

    1. Re:Just Keep Making CDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why would you use the protected wma? if you ever switch platforms/playback software/media devices, you'll have to rerip.

    2. Re:Just Keep Making CDs by PRMan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "import them into Windows Media Player using the protected WMA file format"

      That's LAME! Or, actually, in this case it's not.

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  21. If the whole albuim isn't a 'work' by geekoid · · Score: 1

    then we don't want the whole album. Sorry, Charlie but welcome to the future.

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  22. From a group that said... by Lead+Butthead · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Coming from the group that just recently announced their paying customers should not expected DRM encumbered music already paid for to work indefinitely, their follow up announcement of yet another new format surely isn't inspiring any confidence.

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  23. There's already a digital album format... by Entropius · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... it's very popular and easy to use, has an open specification, and allows users to convert easily into formats playable on all popular music players.

    The spec is at http://www.aboutthescene.com/images/scenerules_mp3_2007_v2.png .

  24. Don't support the middlemen. by PhantomHarlock · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The problem with supporting an effort like this is that 90% of your payment goes to middlemen. Artists need to stop making the deal with the devil for promotion, and increasingly they don't have to. Set up your own online store (not hard) or find an artist friendly aggregated store that gives the vast majority of the income to the artist, charging a small percentage for the service (not more than 20%!)

    I believe there is an excellent business model to be had by setting up an artist friendly website. The trick would be to get a few major artists onboard for this effort in the beginning to attract attention. If I had time and VC capital, I'd run of and do this today.

    What is needed is a mass abandonment of the ASCAP/BMI regime, so that it will collapse. How much of your 99 cent purchase at the itunes store goes to the artist, when the music is being licensed to the itunes store through traditional record companies? Very little, from what I have read. pennies on the buck. Itunes is part of the problem.

    This whole thing has gone on far too long. Artists who are -good- should be able to stand on their own without the help of the major record companies, with all the tools that are available to the artist directly these days.

    The record companies are similar to film companies in that they will obfuscate the profit sheets as much as possible to show a loss. That is why most major film talent now negotiates income percentage on the front end gross as opposed to the back end net, in addition to their fixed salary. The net income from any given film is proving increasingly elusive, if you ask the accounting department at the studio.

    the one thing that can prove me wrong is if someone can show me that selling your music the traditional way is still more profitable than going it on your own, due to the sheer quantity of sales.

    1. Re:Don't support the middlemen. by realmolo · · Score: 1

      The thing is, you won't ever get FILTHY RICH without the promotional muscle of the big labels. THAT is the carrot that the labels use to get artists to agree to ridiculous contracts. And almost all of them DO agree to those contracts.

      Very few artists are going to be willing to give up the chance to be millionaires. The catch is, of course, that if you don't become a HUGE SUPERSTAR, you aren't going to be a millionaire, and in fact you'll probably end up far worse off than if you signed with a smaller label or simply did self-promotion.

      It's greed all-around. Don't pretend that the so-called "artists" are blameless in all of this. They aren't being forced into anything.

    2. Re:Don't support the middlemen. by Repossessed · · Score: 1

      Where signing with a label is beneficial is concert promotion, getting venues of any appreciable size set up is a specialized skill. And bands get a better chunk of the profits (usually 10% of the gross - actual band expenses like hotels to my understanding).

      Though thats plenty doable with a smaller label, which is also going to be more reliable if what you want to be is a working artist.

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    3. Re:Don't support the middlemen. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The "middle man" is basically an investor with very expandable deep pocket plus connection and influence at a level which is basically priceless. So far no one else could match even remotely what the "middle man" offers.

      This deep pocket and influence at that scale is what makes the fundamental difference between an obscure talent and an international superstar.

      At least I don't know any superstar - and not only in music, but in any field of arts and entertainment, including movies, books - who has managed to make it without the "middle man".

      If you do, please let me know. I am curious.

    4. Re:Don't support the middlemen. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not about getting filthy rich, it's about making a living at all.

      You get about 10 pence a song from an iTunes download.

      How many songs do you need to sell a day to make a living?

      To make £100 a day, that's 1000 sales a day. After a fan buys your music, they don't buy it again. (Obsolete formats ignored.)

      So, you have to get about 100 new fans a day.

      Even the smaller labels struggle with this.

    5. Re:Don't support the middlemen. by Repossessed · · Score: 1

      Pink Floyd is independent, though I'm not certain if they always were.

      I do know that The Wall made number 1 album sales without any songs ever going on the radio beforehand, thanks to their refusal to pay to get it on the radio.

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    6. Re:Don't support the middlemen. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lars, is that you? Are we taking food from your daughter's mouth again?

      Maybe it's time you got a real job like the rest of us hmm?

    7. Re:Don't support the middlemen. by Repossessed · · Score: 1

      The real money is in concerts and t-shirts. At the end of the day thats what the label is for. The CDs are promotion tools and a way to pay off the label for the other shit.

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    8. Re:Don't support the middlemen. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean like bandcamp.com?

    9. Re:Don't support the middlemen. by http · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Congratulations. You've just reinvented a middleman.

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    10. Re:Don't support the middlemen. by imamac · · Score: 1

      How much of your 99 cent purchase at the itunes store goes to the artist, when the music is being licensed to the itunes store through traditional record companies? Very little, from what I have read. pennies on the buck. Itunes is part of the problem.

      The key words there were "traditional record companies." Indie artists get the vast majority of the revenue from the iTunes sale in their own pockets. So how is iTunes part of the problem when the problem only exists with involvement from the traditional record companies?

    11. Re:Don't support the middlemen. by CannedTurkey · · Score: 1

      So you'd do the same for the artists as Henry Winkler's character in Night shift did for the call-girls?

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    12. Re:Don't support the middlemen. by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      How much of your 99 cent purchase at the itunes store goes to the artist, when the music is being licensed to the itunes store through traditional record companies? Very little, from what I have read. pennies on the buck.
      That is down to the contracts between the artists and the record companies.

      Itunes is part of the problem.
      Itunes doesn't really have any control over how the artist and the major label decide to split the money apple pays them.

      It is a bit crappy though that apple won't deal direct with independent artists so they have to use another middleman who will take a cut (though nowhere near as big a cut as the record companies would).

      the one thing that can prove me wrong is if someone can show me that selling your music the traditional way is still more profitable than going it on your own, due to the sheer quantity of sales.
      IMO it all depends on what connections you already have. There are loads of bands who would love to make music full time but simply don't have the connections to sell sufficiant copies or run big enough concerts to make real money. So they spend most of thier time working a dayjob and play pubs on the weekend.

      Then someone offers them a record deal, even if they make hardly any money off the record deal itself it brings them sufficiant fame to run big concerts that bring in money.

      The way to make the real big bucks is to get a major label deal, come out the other side THEN either go it alone or negotiate a much better contract with a major label. The thing is very few bands have the staying power to do that.

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  25. Format issues are already solved... by csimpkin · · Score: 1

    Bring back the 8-track!

  26. I've got that already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    user@host:~$ abcde -1 -M -o flac

  27. Destined to fail by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The world has moved on, yet the music industry once again demonstrates it hasn't figured this basic fact out yet.

    While we /.'ers are all worked up about possible DRM, most of the world doesn't seem to care if it's done right. However I'm certain this format - with or without DRM - will live for a short period on life support, and then will quietly be allowed to die at a young age without a whimper. Nowadays most people just don't care about album liner notes, lyrics, and the like. Heck, even back when I was buying vinyl albums, I didn't care much. I might look at liner notes once... but usually I'd just glance at them while I was pulling the album out of its sleeve. I just wanted to hear the songs then, and that's all most people want from their music purchases now.

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  28. The album is alive and well. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just paid $100 (that's one hundred dollars) for the limited edition of the new Muse album. I get the CD, a USB key with "Muse" on it, a 12in print of the cover, the vinyl version of the album, a making of DVD, and the album in 5.1 sound on the DVD. While high, it is something I'd gladly pay for because I love the band.

    Artists that make albums that work well will see sales that reflect that. Artists who insist on putting out one or two good songs per album will have to deal.

  29. Good Idea, will be screwed up horribly by jmac_the_man · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If done properly this will be a good idea.
    In this idea's simplest form, it can be a tar file which has to follow certain rules about what goes into it and its location. Think about how on a Unix system, /bin can be relied on to contain only certain executables, so if you need one of those things done, check there. If it's a system binary, check in /sbin. If it's other programs that aren't managed by the package manager, check /opt.
    A properly done CMX would have top level directories like /art, /lyrics, /low-quality-music, and /lossless-music or something. Multiple pictures in the /art directory could give a slideshow to display where music players currently just have the album art. (You could even do things like require /art/cover to be the album art if you want.) And music players could go into /lyrics if the user asked for a karaoke mode or something. Then if you only distribute the CMX version on CD (and sell the album as packs of MP3s through iTunes and Amazon and everybody else) the RIAA is giving you an incentive to buy CDs from them again. This could be a win for everyone.
    Of course, this is the RIAA we're talking, so it won't be.

  30. What we need as consumers by therufus · · Score: 1

    All record company politics aside, we need an open source album format. MP3's to date have been individual song formats. They can have limited graphics embedded into them, but they are limited to a single individual file package. What would be good is:

    - An open source audio compression which is completely scalable (maybe ogg for one download option, flac for those who really enjoy their music).
    - Different price points for different quality (an ogg album for example would be $10, flac could be $20, flac with all media extras including video could be at $30). Nine Inch Nails did this with Ghosts. There were, IIRC, about 6 different options to acquire the album that ranged from free, to $300. AND IT SOLD WELL!!!! (looking at this RIAA???)
    - Embedded album art and liner notes. Maybe even music videos. With the speed and availability of the internet these days, downloading a 200mb album with video's should be an option.
    - Easily extractable package. It would be good to add an album to your iTunes/xmms/winamp/wmp playlist and be able to pick out songs for shuffling purposes and such.
    - NO DRM!

    Someone mentioned .tar files. Something similar would be good, but you have to have native support in media players (iTunes, winamp, wmp, etc).

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    1. Re:What we need as consumers by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      Nine Inch Nails did this with Ghosts. There were, IIRC, about 6 different options to acquire the album that ranged from free, to $300. AND IT SOLD WELL!!!! (looking at this RIAA???)
      Though while they released the album under CC-BY-NC they didn't tell you that it meant you could legally torrent the entire thing.

      But while it did sell well does anyone know hot it's sales compared to other albums from NIN? Were the sales just the result of NIN's huge fanbase and nothing to do with the unusual release format?

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  31. Re:A few more predictions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    CMX will:

    - require an "evil bit permanently on" secure audio path to the secure cranial speaker implants, available only under Windows 7 SP19 or later;

    - use a new lossy audio coding technique developed with the express purpose of producing an ear-splitting 6 kHz square wave tone and sounding as hideous as possible when transcoded to another format (still, some tin-eared audiofools will still say they can't hear the difference);

    - require that the playback device be permanently on-line with RIAA servers via rootkit for user biometrics validation every 20 msec and reporting of usage statistics

    - only be available as super-compressed re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-remasters with 4 dB dynamic range;

    - cost a minimum of $14.99/track/minute;

    - sound like shit;

    - be nothing but a bad memory by 2012...

  32. feature songs, lyrics, videos, liner notes... by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    Isn't that a DVD?

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    1. Re:feature songs, lyrics, videos, liner notes... by IBBoard · · Score: 1

      Never mind that, isn't it just an iTunes album download? I bought Placebo's Meds recently and that came with a PDF of the booklet. One of the other albums I bought (another Placebo one - although possibly Meds again) had a movie in there.

      Okay, it wasn't stored in a single file, but a) that makes it easier to work with, b) I still downloaded it as if it was one file and c) they're trumpeting lyrics and album art as if it's something amazing, yet iTunes already does it in some situations and Apple could probably embed album art if they wanted (since the M4A and MP3 formats support it).

  33. These days by Zixaphir · · Score: 1

    It's obvious that the business model of the record companies are failing. Albums are going the route of a strictly enthusiast-only format while digital distribution of single songs becomes the standard. The radio is dead, MTV is dead -- people don't want to listen to songs they don't want to hear anymore to wait for the songs they do to pop up

    So what should they do? Not what they are doing obviously. What needs to be done is they need to put the digital distribution model in the car, in the walkman, in the cellphones of the consumers. Yes, yes, two dollars to download a song is great, right? Well, that's fine and dandy, but when I'm thinking of a song I want to hear, it's an impulse, I want to hear it and I want to hear it NOW. How do you earn money from that? How does McDonalds earn money on hamburgers? Last I heard, about two cents at a time. You don't sell the user the rights to a hamburger, you sell them a hamburger they can eat once and it is done.

    So how do you apply that to what's in your pocket? Charge two cents for a single listen. Buy a playlist for a buck, fifty songs, one listen each. Don't wanna pay? Package each song with a small advert. Customization options, shuffle, ability to sacrifice a listen to one song to hear another again. Work it like nearlyfreespeech.net, you pay for what you use. Tie it in with the satellites, lets see how it goes, baby.

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  34. Ah, nostalgia. by Uniquitous · · Score: 1

    "Hey guys...? Remember when you used to buy $20 CD's based on one or two good singles, and the other 10 tracks were just crap? But it had those two songs you really liked, and maybe one more decent one? Can we go back to that? Please? Love, -the RIAA"

  35. Digital Audio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We already have a good digital album format. It's called the CD.

  36. Waste of money already by symbolset · · Score: 1

    Shhhhh. There are many millions to be made selling these idiots the promise of what they want. They're throwing it away. Don't bump the elbow of the entrepeneur who's fleecing them this time.

    And wait till they get a look at my painless bulletproof transparent DRM strategy. They'll go bananas for it! It's a vertical solution that brings minute-to-minte control of access to media in a form that people will be thrilled to pay a premium for because the reproduction quality is INCREDIBLE.

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  37. A suggestion: by riboch · · Score: 1

    How about selling CD's much less? I am sick of paying EUR15 or US$18 plus shipping for a CD. There are these things called enhanced CD's, that have everything they described: video, artwork, even games (e.g. Deftone's "White Pony").

    I love CD's, if you reduce the price, I will buy many more. I get a higher quality and something physical.

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  38. Re:The problem with this by Savior_on_a_Stick · · Score: 0, Redundant

    man man

  39. Prediction by ucblockhead · · Score: 1

    This time next year, CMX will be entirely dead.

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  40. I know I'm a dinosaur, but... by FlyByPC · · Score: 0, Redundant

    ...what's wrong with a good old directory containing some mp3s (oggs, wavs, whatever), some jpgs (pngs, tiffs, whatever) of the album art, a m3u or other playlist file, and maybe some html notes and hyperlinks?

    Oh, silly me. They want a single album file. gzip's got ya covered there, folks...

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    1. Re:I know I'm a dinosaur, but... by Ant+P. · · Score: 1

      gzip only stores single files at a time.

      It's a pointless layer of indirection anyway. Ogg and FLAC both have enough extensibility to use as container formats for whole albums.

  41. Who needs albums? by argent · · Score: 1

    People say they want liner notes and a CD cover and all that, but when push comes to shove they just want to put a nickel in the nickelodeon and get music music music...

    This is another solution looking for a problem.

  42. Hey music companies! by sdo1 · · Score: 1

    FLAC and a nice pdf. That's all I want.

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  43. Arms race by cbraescu1 · · Score: 1

    This is just an arms race between the majors and Apple. None of them has a clear idea why are they doing it, but the simple fact that THE OTHER PART is doing it makes them race even faster.

    Then a few years down the road they'll see the public so uninterested in their specs and "results", they'll just pretend it never happened.

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  44. This spec sucks by tepples · · Score: 1

    ... it's very popular and easy to use, has an open specification, and allows users to convert easily into formats playable on all popular music players.

    The spec is at http://www.aboutthescene.com/images/scenerules_mp3_2007_v2.png .

    "15. FREE MP3s" worries me. This restriction only serves to prop up works of the major labels at the expense of labels that use Creative Commons -nc licenses.

  45. I'm all for buying albums. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I always buy good albums. ...Which means I buy one every few years.

    I hate to sound like a broken business model, err, record - but if you want album sales to work, try ensuring your slaves, err, artists - are putting out actual albums, and not just one good song and ten tracks of filler.

  46. The Irrelevant... by Sfing_ter · · Score: 1

    So the IRRELEVANT seek to obtain more IRRELEVANCE?
    Gasping and struggling for that last breath... before they sink and die.

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  47. The album used to be great.... by plazman30 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There used to be this thing called the concept album. And, in order to understand a song, you had to hear it in the context of the album. When concept albums were out, 80% of the tracks on the album were actually good. Now, 20% of the tracks are good and 80% are crap, and most albums don't have a cohesive theme of any kind.

    Why would anyone want to buy an album these days?

    It's not the model that needs to change. It's the content.

    People keep screaming we need a new Nirvana to break out of this rut music is in. We DON'T need a new Nirvana. We need a new Beatles and Beach Boys.

    1. Re:The album used to be great.... by TheDugong · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We don't need a new Beatles or Beach Boys, we need a new Led Zeppelin or Pink Floyd!

    2. Re:The album used to be great.... by foniksonik · · Score: 1

      Ah to be old... I'm not there yet but it looks so smug and satisfying. I'm really looking forward to the day I can tell everyone around me "Everything before my time was crap and everything after my time is crap" - then take a big poop right in my pants and grin ;-p Must be *loads* of fun gents.

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    3. Re:The album used to be great.... by xtracto · · Score: 1

      We don't need a new Beatles or Beach Boys, we need a new Led Zeppelin or Pink Floyd!

      I like to think of Dream Theater as similar to the bands you name. They have had some nice "concept albums" (Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes from a Memory and A change of Seasons).

      I agree that concept albums were really good. However, I think it is an "old people thing" to spend time listening to music.

      Did you look funny at your parents or grandparents when they told you they used to turn on the radio at 5:00 to listen to X or Y program or music?

      I guess kids these days think the same when they watch us playing our CD's (I am 28).

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    4. Re:The album used to be great.... by Chonine · · Score: 1

      Music is still going strong. The great cohesive albums still exist.

      You just have to find them in different places than we used to. We cannot look to radio or to TV. Every year, a new crop of excellent musicians comes out, with excellent albums. Internet radio, music review web sites, and this modern field of annual music festivals is an excellent place to find it all.

      If you look to the old places to find new music, you will fail. But I'm tired of hearing that there is no more good music. The technology to create music has advanced and matured beyond what anyone expected, and costs have plummeted to obviate the need for recording studios. There is a higher quality back catalog out there to inspire new musicians. More people have the opportunity to dive in to making music than ever before, and a lot of it is excellent. I firmly believe that the best musicians to ever exist are alive today.

    5. Re:The album used to be great.... by MozzleyOne · · Score: 1

      If you want a great modern concept-album making band, try Coheed & Cambria - all the albums are actually based off a science-fiction comic series that the band founder wrote. The music is really good if you're into - I guess progressive rock probably best describes it.

      There are plenty of concept albums going around - an obvious popular example is My Chemical Romance's "The Black Parade"if you're into that, and many Metal bands still release concept albums frequently. It depends what genre's you're into.

      If you're nostalgic for the classic rock bands of old, I'd say it's wishful thinking to expect that kind of music now - music is shaped by culture as much as it shapes it, and our culture is very different to that of Led Zeppelin's and The Beatle's. Enjoy the albums, and find some modern genre's that you can enjoy. I felt the same way ("all modern music is crap!"), until I started listening to punk, hardcore and metal and realised that there is still great music being made, it's just not the same as the older classics.

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    6. Re:The album used to be great.... by hal2814 · · Score: 1

      You don't have to have a concept album to have a good album. Hell, most of the concept albums weren't really that. They were just a few related songs sprinkled in over some stuff that kinda sorta fit with the nebulous "concept." Sgt Pepper wasn't great because it was a concept album. It was great because every frickin' song on the album was great. Even the rejects from that album (Magical Mystery Tour) made a better album than most bands ever put out.

      To be fair, I despise Nirvana but Nirvana fans loved just about every single song off of Nevermind and that other album (can't remember name). I wish I loved the other tracks on my Duran Duran albums that much. My wife loves about every single song off Bowling for Soup's "Hangover You Don't Deserve" album. I love almost every from Achtung Baby, Making Movies, and Invisible Touch (yeah, even the Brazilian). I don't think any of those albums had some sort of overreaching concept behind them though I'm sure there were some similar themes among some songs in those albums.

      It is the content like you say, but a concept album isn't going to solve that. Single concept or not, waiting until you have an album worth of good material before you actually release an album is the answer.

    7. Re:The album used to be great.... by sheepweevil · · Score: 1

      Green Day have made two concept albums recently: the great American Idiot, and 21st Century Breakdown, which I haven't picked up yet. American Idiot is best listened to as an entire album - you don't get the entire picture just listening to the singles. For example, there is a nice transition between Holiday and Boulevard of Broken Dreams, which is impossible to notice listening to them alone.
      Concept albums still exist, but they are fairly rare.
      But even back in the 60's and 70's, concept albums weren't very prevalent. Albert King's amazing Born Under a Bad Sign from 1966 is literally a collection of singles. Led Zeppelin were supposedly the kings of 'album-oriented' rock, but their albums aren't concept albums at all.

    8. Re:The album used to be great.... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Wow, guy makes fanfic of his own comic book in concept album format? That's narcissistific!

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    9. Re:The album used to be great.... by plazman30 · · Score: 1

      By saying we need a new Beatles or Beach Boys, I mean we need music released that people will want to listen to 40-50 years later.

      Who the hell is going to listen to Jessica Simpson in the year 2525? (Pun intended!)

  48. Next... by AttillaTheNun · · Score: 1

    No thanks, not interested...

  49. A pop album of today is not an integral work by derekw · · Score: 1

    A classical symphony of 4 movements is naturally packaged as an integral work. And the consumers, without any coercing from the sellers, naturally buy it as an album. Likewise for opera.

    But the pop songs of today? They don't naturally group together as an integral work (generally speaking). If the record companies want people to purchase pop songs in albums, the logical way is to have the artists write a group of songs that form an integral work. And that the consumers, without any explanation required, also feel that the group of songs form an integral work and feel that the proper way to experience them is to play all of them in one sitting and in the order published. That's how classical music fans listen to symphonies, from the first movement to the last. When they occasionally listen to just one movement of a symphony, they are well aware that they are listening to an excerpt of a work. Contrast this to listening to a pop song from an album, no one feels they are listening to an excerpt.

    I suspect the zeitgeist of today favours short form music, i.e. a 4 minute song. Song writers convey what they need in 4 minutes. Listeners enjoy taking the bite size emotional journey in 4 minutes. Neither song writers nor listeners look for an emotional journey that takes 60 minutes to walk through (generally speaking). A 4 minute song is a natural unit of consumption and the music business should think of it as a basic SKU and structure their business model accordingly.

  50. I patented the pixel... by ShadowSystems · · Score: 1

    Now pay up, you infringing bastard... =)P

  51. (offtopic rant on Ubuntu) it isn't for joe public by aepervius · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I have for the 3rd time AGAIN tried Ubuntu. 1) video do not work properly and skip (matroska container , vlc and another media player used). No skip on windows. 2) updating firefox is an hassle 3) alsa or whatever is called was a hassle and skip 4) email client looked nice, until it started eating my email. 5) installing some apps forced me to go through "man" and there is no GUI equivalent that I have found (why can't you the hell change owner from the GUI freaking screen, and force people through a chown ? Why file saved by *MY* user has not the same user as owner ??? torrent file as an example). Installing some stuff made me go through hoop and loop and scripts. The bottom line is whereas I tolerated this, that is NOWHERE near the reliability or easiness of installation of the average windows stuff. As long as linux proponent do not recognize that, linux will stay a fringe stuff used mainly for server, desktop being an afterthought. And my biggest rant : why the FUCK asking the help system on CHOWN give me 10 crap before I am being shown the main topic (see below after the rant). Heck clicking on some topic just make the help "disappear" (crash?)

    Search results for "chown"


    Clock Manual
    sudo chown -r www-data:www-data /path/to/rails/application/public
    Problem showing document
    sudo chown nobody.nogroup /srv/samba/share/
    Ubuntu Server Guide
    sudo chown bind /var/log/query.log
    Five or More Manual
    sudo chown -r root:root /home/username/
    Using the Command Line
    sudo chown -r www-data.www-data mywiki
    Mahjongg Manual
    sudo chown -r www-data:www-data /path/to/repos
    Rhythmbox Music Player Manual V2.0.2
    sudo chown oneadmin /var/lib/one/images/
    Gnome Display Manager Reference Manual
    ...presession script would need to be modified to chown
    /dev/console to the user:group ...
    chown manual page
    change file owner and group
    coreutils info page
    chown
    coreutils info page
    lchown
    coreutils info page
    lchown

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  52. Welcome, Steve Balmer by leftie · · Score: 1

    No, I'm not surprised the CEO of Microsoft still buys CDs for his Windows Media Player. He's got to blow all that M$ moolah on something.

    I'd be surprised if anyone other then a high level M$ executive did, though.

    So Steve, when are you going to resurrect the Sonics?

  53. Say Goodbye to Autoplay by dew4au · · Score: 1

    My guess is that the format is really just a way to bundle the autoplay executable, and other "extended extras" found on the data track of modern audio CDs.

    Good luck with the autoplay thing... It's outsky in Windows 7.

  54. Oh, let me guess by Conspiracy_Of_Doves · · Score: 1

    They're going to decide to use an ordinary zip file with the extension renamed and hope nobody notices.

  55. CMX is a copyrighted acronym by vidaddy · · Score: 1

    Most readers are too young to remember that CMX is the name of the partnership between CBS and Memorex to develop the earliest computerized editing. This music company project will lose because it tries to "overwrite" a well established name that should not be obliterated or whatever you call it these days. Bob Kiger - Videography Lab - www.vidiots.us

  56. Sony, Warner, Universal and EMI, Bhold! by Dan541 · · Score: 1

    I give you, The League of Evil!!!

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    1. Re:Sony, Warner, Universal and EMI, Bhold! by Migraineman · · Score: 1

      The League of Extraordinary Evil, perhaps?

  57. Why not a standard? by bemymonkey · · Score: 1

    Why create a new file format when you could just create a standard with existing file formats?

    How about just a RAR filled with JPEG+PDF covers/booklet, FLAC files and a cue sheet? That's what they need to compete with torrents...

    Hell, I'm still looking for an online store where I can buy my tracks as FLAC at all - most of the tracks I want are only available as CBR MP3s...

    1. Re:Why not a standard? by IBBoard · · Score: 1

      Why RAR? JPEGs are compressed, FLAC is compressed, PDF is compressed (or any images would be at least) so why try to put some heavy and comparatively slow compression on top? Just slap it all in a TAR. You probably won't notice much of a file size difference, it'll be lighter weight to open and it'll be more open as a standard.

    2. Re:Why not a standard? by bemymonkey · · Score: 1

      Zip, RAR, TAR, whatever. Just something that can be distributed as a single file... I didn't pay particular attention to which archive format would be better :)

  58. What's The Problem? by gsslay · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can think of only three that actually make the cut for me

    And at this point your entire argument falls to pieces. Just because you personally can think of only three that, in your opinion, make the cut for you, means nothing. Maybe your musical tastes are rather limited? The music industry caters for a far wider market than you personally. If they cannot sell an idea to you, that does not mean the idea has absolutely no value.

    And your Britney analysis is like 5 years out of date. Are you sure you're well placed to be advising the music industry on marketing?

    it baffles me completely that any major label would seriously consider this as the saviour of their industry.

    I must have missed this in news article. Where is anyone claiming this? Oh, they aren't.

    As far as I can see, this is the music industry providing "Value Added" content that everyone is always saying they need to do in order to convince people to actually pay for things. This is them providing an electronic equivalent of the record sleeve that many actually miss. What exactly is the problem with this??

    1. Re:What's The Problem? by guruevi · · Score: 1

      Seriously, have you ever even bought a full album of any of those so-called pop stars? Look at Britney Spears' or Miley Cyrus' most recent albums. Do you even know more than 3-5 of the songs on there. I surely don't and even the children that listen to it don't know about them, that's why I don't buy that kind of crap.

      Why would the analysis be out of date? Britney's music hasn't changed a bit. It's the same music that was produced for her before, the stuff Britney herself has to lip-sync to. Same with Kanye West. If you heard his performance on American Idol (my wife records that show on DVR and she let me hear it) you know for a fact that the dude can't sing - the only way his voice sounds good on stage is when he goes loud (or is amplified) enough for the voice synthesizers to kick in (and I worked on the sound systems backstage before, I know exactly the kind of equipment being used to make voices sound better) and a lot of his effects seem to have been ripped off from Daft Punk.

      There is no Value Added content in this format. The only Value it Adds is for the benefit of the music execs (DRM). We can already have record sleeves and lyrics embedded in the songs. iTunes Store does it as well as other stores and plugins to media players. You can embed it in MP3 (ID3v2) or in AAC and other formats support it as well.

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    2. Re:What's The Problem? by gsslay · · Score: 1

      Seriously, if you don't like Britney, Miley or West then don't listen to their music. And if you are foolish enough to actually buy their albums, knowing you're not going to like them, then you only have yourself to blame. No-one else is accountable here. Not the music industry, not the music formats. You and you alone.

      Chances are one of the chief reasons you don't like them is because you are not their targeted audience. Go listen to something else and stop whining.

      Britney's analysis is out of date because she is old news. Citing her as the poster-child for the record industry's current marketing strategies is last decade's argument. I'm sure she'd be delighted to hear anyone still thinks her that relevant.

      The only Value it Adds is for the benefit of the music execs (DRM).

      Where is there any mention of DRM in the news article?? You are condemning something for having something before anyone has told you it has it. And if people don't feel it added value to the music they won't buy it. No-one loses out apart from the people trying to sell it. So what exactly are you complaining about?

      We can already have record sleeves and lyrics embedded in the songs. iTunes Store does it as well as other stores and plugins to media players.

      I think it's quite obvious that the suggested format is something a little better than tiny thumbnail images and badly formatted text. That's what makes it Value Added. I'm happy to see them trying it, but if it turns out that it sucks I won't be buying. I expect most people will follow the same strategy. You may wish to try it.

    3. Re:What's The Problem? by guruevi · · Score: 1

      I don't buy it. I just don't know why anyone would like them except for strong marketing and radio exposure. That's my main issue - that I have to keep changing radio stations every 5 minutes.

      There will be DRM in it. There is no other reason to come up with a new format that has no added value and it comes from the industry that has been pushing DRM for the last decade or so. It's kinda like saying the latest Microsoft next software release will use and adhere to fully open standards - it's just not going to happen. Everything that they have released or said so far is against customers interests, I don't see why this would change it.

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  59. Re:I kinda like mods here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please Mr Public, if you can't work linux out without crying, you just shouldnt use it. Go back to Windows and cry there. Leave the big boys alone so they can get the real work done. Thanks have a nice day.

  60. But it's obvious! by Photo_Nut · · Score: 1

    If the iPod/iPhone software doesn't play this new music industry format then why should we care? Yet another file format - where's the value in it? There's value in making a competitor to iTMS that cuts out Apple from the profit stream and works with other devices (iPod, iPhone, Zune, Sansa, etc) and other phones. The value there is cutting out the middle man - make songs cheaper, and give more profit to the artists.

    Everything else is just simply uninteresting. If the music industry wants my money, it has to offer me something I want. Reinventing the wheel on an ASX or PLS file format is not it. Both of these playlist file formats are just lists of filenames/URLs.

  61. To quote Tommy Lee Jones from Men In Black... by ledow · · Score: 1

    "Looks like I'm going to have to buy the White Album again."

    (Or, more likely, not... the community "invented" this years ago... it's called an album torrent. Pity you weren't interested in selling it to us back then).

    I don't buy music anyway, because what little I listen to I already own or get *extraordinarily* cheaply by other, legitimate, means. So I don't really care.

  62. This idea won't work. by MtViewGuy · · Score: 1

    And the reason is simple: unknown compatibility with the higher-end Apple iPod players out there.

    Because Apple's "Cocktail" project will probably be compatible with 3G/4G iPod nanos, 5G and later iPod classics, the iPhone and iPod touch, that means the vast majority of the portable music player market will support this format. The record companies can't ignore this--we're talking a HUGE market.

  63. Forward to the past by Mr.+Fahrenheit · · Score: 1

    'Albums' as such came about WAY long ago when the standard audio medium was a 78 rpm record. Generally speaking, it was one song-per side, so one disk = 2 songs. So to compile say, 10 or 12 songs by any artist, or maybe put a whole symphony into a single package, multiple disks were put into a bound book of record sleeves (literally, an 'album' of records). When technology changed and brought about 33-1/3 LPs (Long Play, for the kids out there) the same number of tracks could be put onto a single disk; when CDs came along, they just copied the current de facto standard. The idea that you have to continue to somehow package 'albums' within the context of digital distribution is absurd. Sure, bundle tracks that form parts of a coherent whole, or can be mashed-up to, say, feature all recorded versions of a song over the years, but stop forcing artists to come up with filler, and let them do their thing instead.
     
    /late to the part I know
    //at least no one has to read my rants
    ///and *stay* off my lawn.

    1. Re:Forward to the past by Sirusjr · · Score: 1

      It's also much easier to keep track of your favorite bands by purchasing all their albums than worrying about purchasing each individual song or even knowing when individual songs are released if digital only. Sure money-driven releases by pop artists are bound to contain filler but for the most part all the music I listen to is pretty free of terrible tracks. If the full album isn't good then I don't choose to support the artist because they don't have enough talent to create 8-15 tracks at once that are all great.

  64. Re:CMX is a copyrighted abbreviation by TeknoHog · · Score: 1

    Another example of CMX in music is the Finnish band.

    (Not an acronym though, since you cannot pronounce it as a single word.)

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  65. Liquid Audio by Ilgaz · · Score: 1

    This time, they are re-inventing a rather mysterious failure. What they named as CMX existed years ago, it is Liquid Audio.

    Even (later) support from Real Networks didn't help it. It somehow failed.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_Audio

    I was really impressed with it since I am mainly an album listener guy. It had all those features CMX claims to have, tried, failed... Oh it had DRM too (later acquired by MS).

    MS guys could be wondering "wtf?" too...

    1. Re:Liquid Audio by xgr3gx · · Score: 1

      I thought we already have a really good digital album format. Aren't they called .iso's?

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    2. Re:Liquid Audio by ins0m · · Score: 1

      You'd have thought that they would have implemented something similar for their current venture as Wal-mart's digital aggregator, but I guess not.

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  66. Re:I kinda like mods here by BobMcD · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Please Mr Public, if you can't work linux out without crying, you just shouldnt use it. Go back to Windows and cry there. Leave the big boys alone so they can get the real work done. Thanks have a nice day.

    While this is asinine and inflammatory, it is nearly true.

    If you're not enjoying it and/or you don't HAVE to use it, don't. That goes for Linux and for everything else.

    Open Source is choice, sir. You can choose the alternative...

  67. Re:I kinda like mods here by geminidomino · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Modding "man man" insightful (parent's full post) whereas modding me offtopic is kinda.... biased. Both are offtopic or both are interresting/troll/whatever other mod there is.

    No. You're just full of crap.

    Updating Firefox is a hassle? You mean because you have to put in your password when you click on the package manager update? If you're trying to update beyond what the package manager is offering, you're beyond "Joe public" range, so learn to use the OS.

    ALSA was replaced in 8.04, so you obviously haven't tried recently.[*]

    There IS a gui for man. it's called gman. Install it. As for chown, again, you're moving beyond "Joe Public" but all you have to do is set up a shortcut to run your file manager as the super user (copy your existing one, and prepend a "gksu -s" to it, could have been solved with 45 seconds of googling.) You will probably hose your system with this since you don't know what you're doing enough to be dicking with it, but hey...

    why the FUCK asking the help system on CHOWN give me 10 crap before I am being shown the main topic

    Err. Because you're asking gnome help for help on a command line command? You have to ask for help in the right place before you can get the right help, or do you go to your doctor's office to ask him for help re-jetting your carburetor?

    Which is not to say that Ubuntu doesn't have it's flaws. ALSA(footnoted above) was replaced, as noted, and pulseaudio (the replacement) is a festering pile of shit that needs to crawl back into whatever dark pit it clawed its way out of. But it generally only causes problems for people who AREN'T "Joe Q Public" and who know what they're doing, but PA won't fugging let them...

    However That doesn't change the fact that your "rant" is unmitigated bullshit, and you're just a troll.

  68. CMX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds like a dodgy cable-only Country Music video channel to me.

  69. Digital albums good in theory by Nerdposeur · · Score: 1

    I agree. To me, digital music won't be a satisfactory replacement for physical albums** until I get artwork and lyrics (preferably synced to the music to be displayed when desired) with it.

    I don't trust the competence or good will of the record companies to do this right, though, and a .zip file with music, .png and .pdf files is almost good enough. I'd rather have that than some inscrutable proprietary format.

    **Even then, I like having the physical album as a backup. To heck with re-buying music over and over to be able to play it on different devices.

  70. Re:CMX is a copyrighted abbreviation by vidaddy · · Score: 1

    Thanks for the education on acronyms being pronounced as a single word. Whatever we call it CMX was a tradename and copyrighted title for the original computer editing company that was a partnership between CBS & Memorex. Would you agree that fact should be preserved? Also what do we call letter combinations that form a new entity but can't be pronounced as a single word...like IBM? One more question. Does anyone know how Memorex magnetic tape technology was related to Bing Crosby? Bob Kiger - Videography Lab - www.vidiots.us

  71. Better be lossless by Sirusjr · · Score: 1

    If they want the CD junkies to go from buying physical CDs to buying some digital album format they sure as hell better make sure that this new format is lossless and easy to backup on CD. I can't stand the thought of when I can no longer purchase physical CDs but if that time ever comes, the alternative better be as good of quality as the CD only digital. Considering there are so few digital lossless formats available now, I don't have much faith in these album alternatives being lossless. If all I have available is lossy digital crap then say goodbye to my sales.

  72. Re:CMX is a copyrighted abbreviation by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

    (Not an acronym though, since you cannot pronounce it as a single word.)

    "See 'em cross"? Fine, that's three words.

    • Corel Metafile Exchange (file extension)
    • Cloaca Maxima (sewage system of ancient Rome; Finnish rock band)
    • Crisis Management Exercise
    • Compact Media Extensions (Qualcomm)
    • Cisco Mobile Exchange
    • Hancock, MI, USA - Houghton County / Memorial (Airport Code)
    • Communications cable limited use
    • China Middle East Express
    • Connection Module X
    • Carrier Mexico SA
    • Chicago Mercantile Exchange
    • Competitive Marketing Exchange
    • Crisis Management Exercises
    • Common Model EXchange
    • Carbon Mercantile Exchange
    • California Metal-X
    • Canadian Mechanical Exposition
    • Crazy Mountain Extreme
    • Clinical Medical Excellence
    • Chittagong Malaysia Express
    • Connected Moments Expansion

    You can't copyright an abbreviation.

    BTW, TFA doesn't define what CMX stands for either. Apparently it is an internal codename which may not have an expansion.

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    Oh, say does that Star-Spangled Banner entwine / The myrtle of Venus with Bacchus's vine?
  73. Re:CMX is a copyrighted abbreviation by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

    Yeah, I just noticed I listed "Crisis Management Exercise" and "Crisis Management Exercises" as separate items. Well, if they won't tell us what it stands for, let's call it that.

    BTW, CBS-MemoreX wasn't listed at AcronymFinder.com nor AcronymAttic.com.

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    Oh, say does that Star-Spangled Banner entwine / The myrtle of Venus with Bacchus's vine?
  74. Pointless by flyneye · · Score: 1

    This is the pointless struggling of the dying music industry trying to dislodge the pillow from its face as it smothers.
    Thankfully soon music will be back in the hands of musicians who will promote themselves with far greater efficiency than a greedy corporation could ever do.
    Music is free. Performance is paid. The industry is dead. Let's all get laid.

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    *Repent!Quit Your Job!Slack Off!The World Ends Tomorrow and You May Die!
  75. age of singles? by Satanboy · · Score: 1

    Whereas labels are eager to resuscitate the album format in an age of singles

    maybe artists should make albums with more than 1 good song?

  76. Re:CMX is a copyrighted abbreviation by TeknoHog · · Score: 1

    BTW, TFA doesn't define what CMX stands for either. Apparently it is an internal codename which may not have an expansion.

    The name of the Finnish band stands for Cloaca Maxima, the main sewer line of ancient Rome. Not a bad description for the current music industry.

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    Escher was the first MC and Giger invented the HR department.
  77. Subject by Legion303 · · Score: 1

    Welcome to 15 years ago, music industry! I'm sure these new "digital album" doohickeys will be all the rage.