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Security / Privacy Advice?

James-NSC writes "My employer is changing its policy towards employee use of social networks. I've been asked to give a 40-minute presentation to the entire company, with attendance mandatory, on the security and privacy concerns relating to social networking. While I was putting it together, I ended up with some miscellaneous information that pertains to security/privacy in general, for example: the emerging ATM skimming (mainly for our European employees), a reminder that email is not private, malware/drive-by in popular search results, etc. Since these topics don't directly relate to the subject I've been asked to address, I've ended up with a section titled 'While I have you...' I'm going to have the mandatory attention of every employee and I thought it would be a great opportunity to give advice on security/privacy issues across the board. As it's an opportunity that one seldom gets, I certainly want to utilize it fullly. If you had the attention of an entire company with employees in the US, UK, Asia, and Australia, what security / privacy advice would you give?"

260 comments

  1. Acknowledging the /. audience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    Closing the basement shades will do wonders on the privacy front.

    1. Re:Acknowledging the /. audience by heretic108 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Closing the basement shades will do wonders on the privacy front.

      Translated into /. language: Either operate exclusively through a watertight alias (use a proxy, don't share photos of you groping the office slapper at the Christmas party, don't engage in identifying talk), or just assume that everything you say and do on social networks will be cc'ed to your boss(es), appended to your CVs for the next 50 years and plastered all over your cubicle walls.

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    2. Re:Acknowledging the /. audience by Chrisq · · Score: 1

      Closing the basement shades will do wonders on the privacy front.

      Translated into /. language: Either operate exclusively through a watertight alias (use a proxy, don't share photos of you groping the office slapper at the Christmas party, don't engage in identifying talk), or just assume that everything you say and do on social networks will be cc'ed to your boss(es), appended to your CVs for the next 50 years and plastered all over your cubicle walls.

      Of course this could be an advantage if you are looking for a career change to the porno industry. Or maybe a jopb with Fatwire (web CMS).

    3. Re:Acknowledging the /. audience by roguetrick · · Score: 1

      I just don't believe in watertight aliases. You can work towards one, but you should never delude yourself that you have one. There might always be a chink in that armor you don't see.

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  2. Mandatory? by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm going to have the mandatory attention of every employee

    No, you're going to have the mandatory presence of every employee. And unless you make the talk riveting, every seconds of unnecessary content will make them despise you more.

    1. Re:Mandatory? by CannonballHead · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I have found that food helps everyone like you more; perhaps he should provide lunch. Or at least cookies.

    2. Re:Mandatory? by PylonHead · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is correct.

      Present just the information you've been tasked to convey.

      Present it in at least 2 different ways.

      Take questions.

      Summarize once more and let them out early.

      Honestly, the more you try to cram in there the less they're going to take away.

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    3. Re:Mandatory? by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Boobs. No really. Find a ton of pictures of chicks that they posted and regretted.

      Put under it: "Do you want this to be your personal data." On the next slide: "Once it's on the internet. It'll never be off the internet."

      Maybe separate presentations based on gender/sexual orientation.

      1) Everyone will be captivated.
      2) It'll make the point rather clear.

    4. Re:Mandatory? by EkriirkE · · Score: 1

      Be mindful what is considered sexual harassment, too.

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    5. Re:Mandatory? by yakatz · · Score: 1

      But food probably will not help with people's attention spans.
      Usually, at a meeting with food,people will be distracted by the food, and once the food is gone, you will be back to the original problem.

    6. Re:Mandatory? by theeddie55 · · Score: 5, Funny

      But cookies can cause security problems if not handled properly.

    7. Re:Mandatory? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      3) you will be fired.

    8. Re:Mandatory? by commodore64_love · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >>>every seconds of unnecessary content will make them despise you more.

      I love mandatory meetings.

      It's a great opportunity to get paid $50 for doing absolutely nothing for an hour. Score!

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    9. Re:Mandatory? by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Have you ever tried growing tomatoes? It's very difficult because there are lots of things that can go wrong. Bugs, bad soil, wind, even the tomatoes themselves can be too heavy and break off the vine. It's not a matter of planting the seed and then letting it grow. You've got to be involved almost every day to make sure the growth is under control, that the vine is tied where it needs to be, that the plant is properly pruned so that you don't end up with a scraggly set of leaves and scrawny tomatoes. It's a very difficult, but very rewarding activity.

      So when you say:
      Take questions.

      You are wrong.

      Ask questions. If you want your audience involved, you need to solicit feedback. You can't expect them to come with any questions, so you need to frame your speech to include questions *to* your audience so that they become part of the program, not just spectators.

    10. Re:Mandatory? by dave562 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I like the idea of asking questions. In the context of the speech the speaker might ask, "When was the last time you were in danger of having your personal information compromised?" He can then go on to offer a couple of examples that illustrate his point of how wide spread the problem is.

    11. Re:Mandatory? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not those boobs. These boobs

    12. Re:Mandatory? by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 1

      Assuming you don't have a deadline looming.

    13. Re:Mandatory? by spinkham · · Score: 4, Informative

      Good idea, but you'd have to dial it back a notch for most corporations.
      Try these:

      MI6 head outed on facebook by his wife, with many details. Viewable by all of the "London" network.
      http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/article-1197562/MI6-chief-blows-cover-wifes-Facebook-account-reveals-family-holidays-showbiz-friends-links-David-Irving.html

      Bank intern fired for lying about a family emergency, then pasting party pics of him dressed up as a fairy on facebook:
      http://valleywag.gawker.com/tech/your-privacy-is-an-illusion/bank-intern-busted-by-facebook-321802.php

      Another example of being fired for putting dumb stuff on facebook:
      http://www.liquidmatrix.org/blog/2009/08/13/social-networking-fail-fail-fail/

      Plenty of fail, Safe for work.

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    14. Re:Mandatory? by Darkness404 · · Score: 1

      ...And how many people would listen anyways? Most people will tune them out free food or not.

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    15. Re:Mandatory? by PylonHead · · Score: 1

      Sounds like a good idea to help engage people.

      But seriously, "Take questions. You are wrong." Perhaps that was a little strongly worded. I mean, it's hardly controversial to take questions at the end of a presentation.

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    16. Re:Mandatory? by tverbeek · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you want to point out other security issues, work them into the main topic. "The messages you post on MyFace aren't private... just like your e-mail isn't really private." "Stupid crap that you see advertised on Spacebook can contain viruses... just like random web sites can." "A site that tricks you into thinking it's Twitster can steal your login info... just like a fake ATM can." Etc. That way it's reinforcing the underlying principles, and not looking like an afterthought.

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    17. Re:Mandatory? by tverbeek · · Score: 1

      Separate presentations based on gender (and sexual orientation)?! This isn't 5th grade sex ed. Not only is it insulting for a bunch of adults to be treated that way, it's probably grounds for a gender discrimination and/or sexual harassment suit. In the workplace "separate but equal" is only permitted with toilets.

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    18. Re:Mandatory? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've also found that making it clear from the outset (in a nice way) that the computers and connection in question are COMPANY PROPERTY and anything they do WILL BE MONITORED goes a long way in giving the average Joe a wakeup call. Regardless of what they do in future, they now know that they do not have the right to do whatever they want without repercussions in regards to their employment.

      Caveat: This only works if you have the backing of the head of the company to make it a blanket policy, applicable to absolutely everyone regardless of position or status.

      At my last employer, I had the latitude from the CEO to ban all non-company purchased devices, including personal laptops, Ipods, and memory sticks. It may sound draconian, but it kept alot of crap from happening and cut down on re-imaging HDD's because some secretary borked their box or Joe manager wanted to bring their porn to work.

    19. Re:Mandatory? by Mikkeles · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I really hate doing nothing at work; I'd rather do my job.

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    20. Re:Mandatory? by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      Even better! I get $75 for every hour of overtime, so the more time spent in meetings the more money I get. Last Christmas, due to a rather stupid promise by management to the U.S. government, I had to rush to finish a project in just one week. I worked 80 hours and earned $5000.

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    21. Re:Mandatory? by leromarinvit · · Score: 1

      Well, yes. When they start growing hairs and running away from you, you probably shouldn't eat them any more.

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    22. Re:Mandatory? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But the milk is even worse!

    23. Re:Mandatory? by easyTree · · Score: 1

      MI6 head outed on facebook by his wife, with many details. Viewable by all of the "London" network.
      http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/article-1197562/MI6-chief-blows-cover-wifes-Facebook-account-reveals-family-holidays-showbiz-friends-links-David-Irving.html

      Looking at the photo behind the link... You think having the ability to completely hide your eyeballs and thus emotional state from everyone around you gives ppl an advantage in certain industries? Is it natural skill ?

    24. Re:Mandatory? by anexkahn · · Score: 1

      that's why I brought brownies :)

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    25. Re:Mandatory? by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      I would agree. However, I don't agree that these topics can't be worked in, or better, tied in.

      How is a social networking site different than hanging out in a bar with your friends? There are risks in both places, but there are similarieties that can be drawn between the risks. Analogy can be drawn between phishing attacks arranged through Social networking sites and ATM skimming.

      How do you protect yourself? Similarities there too: Pay attention. Be skeptical. Still, it might not be enough, true in both cases.

      -Steve

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    26. Re:Mandatory? by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "...And how many people would listen anyways? Most people will tune them out free food or not."

      Well, most places I've worked out, the talk would be very short.

      NO access to social network sites, or IM...they are verboten, and generally blocked at the firewall for security concerns.

      You wouldn't need many cookies for that talk..short and to the point.

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    27. Re:Mandatory? by wisty · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Another good question: Who has ever sent and email that they wouldn't want a third party reading?

    28. Re:Mandatory? by shentino · · Score: 1

      That first case is just yet another example of how much we truly are at the mercy of random assholes hell bent on making trouble for us.

      Even if we are perfectly careful and take every precaution, preserving privacy on the internet is a lost cause if someone somewhere wants to expose you.

      Case in point:

      A friend of mine recently blew one of my aliases and emailed everyone he knew about it, instantly exposing me to ridicule and shame.

      Another case in point:

      The blogger who got sued and then left alone once she was outed. A malicious lawsuit with the sole purpose of causing grief by compelling someone to betray a confidence. And this time the whole force of the law was behind it.

    29. Re:Mandatory? by PiSkyHi · · Score: 1

      hmmm... yes. about nine thirty. [crunch]

    30. Re:Mandatory? by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Why not give a talk on Scientology or some other virulent meme of your choice to demonstrate the dangers of letting non trusted employees give attendance mandatory talks to all employees?

      I bet they won't ask you to give another one.

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    31. Re:Mandatory? by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Handing out dope laced brownies would teach people not to eat untrusted food.

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    32. Re:Mandatory? by NeverVotedBush · · Score: 1

      There are so many examples of social networking site biffs that you could have fun with just going over the highlights. Also discussing how employers now screen applicants with their facebook pages, blogs, and such, discussing how phishers use myspace and facebook to get baseline information for scams, and that there is a new application (looked for the link but can't find it) that examines your profile and your friend's profiles to infer information about you that you don't even say. Guilt by association but you have no control over who uses it and for what purposes.

      And just for fun, if you have a computer and a projector display, you can show how easy it is to grep web proxy logs for key words then tell them bots scan logs, don't blink, and present tidy reports to management. Helping them stay out of trouble will be appreciated.

      If you know some fun tricks with embedding malware in innocent looking things so you can pwn a demonstration computer, or just run some remote exploits and then run a keylogger, capture screens, change the remote desktop wallpaper to something cheesy just to drive home the point of how easy it is to take over someone's computer who opens a crafted attachment and such - any of the penetration tricks that can show them in real time what attackers have the power to do - and you might keep their attention.

      Just be careful to not make things too technical or detailed so they don't glaze over, but still do some security shock and awe...

      On the memory stick front, you could load it with an autorun or some such and plug it into your unsuspecting computer. Have it do something like play a video of an explosion then remind them that you probably wouldn't see an explosion. The software load would just quietly harvest everything they did and send it out to the attacker over the web.

      It would be a really fun presentation to give if you do it right. Do it wrong, though, and you will leave the audience confused bored.

    33. Re:Mandatory? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I gotta say, this little three reply exchange is some of the best public speaking advice I've seen online.
      *clapping*

    34. Re:Mandatory? by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 1

      In the context of a speech to a large group of people, I'd rather not take any questions. It bores the people who are already wanting to leave, and typically the types of questions that arise in an impromptu Q&A are more masturbatory than penetrating.

      Fake Q&A session, if you can. Use planted audience members who you have worked with to prepare good questions. Then only call on those people.

    35. Re:Mandatory? by a09bdb811a · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This is the worst possible advice. It's a presentation, not a seminar. There's nothing more annoying than some blowhard trying desparately to get the audience involved. Present what needs to be presented and be receptive to questions if, when, and as they come. But don't block by trying to dig for responses.

    36. Re:Mandatory? by jeffstar · · Score: 3, Funny

      4) Profit!!!!

    37. Re:Mandatory? by rtb61 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The idea for a company security presentation is the opposite of that
      4) Loss!.
      On a company presentation keep it very straightforward and simply. Advise them of the security problem, highlight the problems it causes and detail to consequences for the employee for failing to adhere to security protocols. Put it in writing, get each employ to pick it up and sign to confirm they acknowledge it's contents and are aware of the consequences, 4) Loss! - it will cost the company money and likely cost the employee their job.

      That is the very first thing you establish prior to giving a security briefing, what are the consequences for any employee that fails to adhere to the requirements of each of the different elements of that security briefing, loss of access, demotion, written warning or, instant dismissal. The employees will only listen if htey have a vested interest in listening.

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    38. Re:Mandatory? by loutr · · Score: 1

      Actually you don't even need a talk :) They didn't give one here anyway...

    39. Re:Mandatory? by RMH101 · · Score: 1

      Give them something *they* will find useful.
      Let's face it, a fair number of people there are going to start off pissed as you're blocking facebook/myspace/webmail etc. First priority is set the scene: *why* are these blocked? What are the real risks? Give some concrete examples of times when it's caused issues with viruses, phishing, etc. Make sure it's clear that there's a valid business reason for your stance. Show them how the company is protecting itself and them right now: how much spam is filtered at the mail server, how many intrusion attempts are defeated by the firewall each day, etc
      I'd wrap up with a "whilst I've got you" session on what they can do generally to protect themselves in and out of work. Examples of phishing, keyloggers, common online scams, the importance of using non-guessable passwords, and the importance of not sharing sensitive passwords across multiple systems/sites. Maybe suggest Firefox instead of IE for home use (you'er on a sticky wicket with this if the company uses IE though!). Leave them thinking that the company is taking a sensible stand, and that it's offering them both professional and personal protection by its actions.
      I'd love to say "open up facebook at lunchtime on the proxy" etc but from past experience it plain doesn't work unless your bandwidth costs you nothing. Blocking FB and youtube saw a 90% reduction in traffic at the last place I worked: there's no business case in the world that'd stand up to those figures.

    40. Re:Mandatory? by plastbox · · Score: 1

      A friend of mine recently blew one of my aliases and emailed everyone he knew about it, instantly exposing me to ridicule and shame.

      Sooo.. what, exactly, was this alias if yours doing to incur insta-ridecule and -shame? Well respected husband, father and friend at day, shemale prostitute specializing in less-than-savory fetishes..?

      Personally, I have no "online aliases". I have my nick, plastbox, but it's not like I consider my nick a different person than myself.

      If you're doing stuff so strange, or voicing opinions so stupid, that you need an alias to hide behind.. Might I suggest you stop your dumbassery and stand for what you mean? If I am horribly wrong here, please enlighten and entertain me details about your shameful alias!

    41. Re:Mandatory? by plastbox · · Score: 1

      Holy crap, what happened to that post?! Real sorry about that!

      ..shemale prostitute specializing in less-than-savory fetishes by night..?

      ..different person from myself.

      ..enlighten and entertain me with details about..

    42. Re:Mandatory? by shentino · · Score: 1

      My point is that assholes can and do expose confidential information NO MATTER WHAT THE FUCK YOU DO to try and stop them.

    43. Re:Mandatory? by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      "This is correct.

      Pass out cookies.

      Present just the information you've been tasked to convey.

      Present it in at least 2 different ways.

      Take questions.

      Summarize once more and let them out early.

      Honestly, the more you try to cram in there the less they're going to take away."

      FTFY. Mandatory or not, if there are no cookies, I won't be there.

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    44. Re:Mandatory? by tburkhol · · Score: 1

      Personally, I have no "online aliases". I have my nick, plastbox, but it's not like I consider my nick a different person than myself.

      There are usually two reasons for this, Kim. Either you've never been in a position where your personal behavior or opinions might influence your welfare, or you hold no personal opinions. Many people do hold strong political or social opinions and enjoy discussing those issues, but wish not that a potential employer or client with opposing view be biased by non-professional concerns. It's quite handy to have a "professional" nick and a "personal" nick.

    45. Re:Mandatory? by plastbox · · Score: 1

      There are usually two reasons for this, Kim.

      Nice touch there, hehe. I of course understand reasons for concealing one's real identity. For the most part though, your opinions would have to be fairly extreme for this to be the case.

      I might be missing out on something vital here, but as to this dual personality scheme.. I don't see the need (unless, as I said, your opinions are really extreme). What is a '"professional" nick' anyways? In professional (as in, work related) situations, I use my name. Online, I use my nick but I make no effort to hide who I am. Yes, people tend to perceive me as rather strongly opinionated and yes, I do engage in rather heated discussions online, as in real life, about everything from abortion and religion to immigration and a host of other things that get people rather riled up when you disagree with them.

      Not trying to be an asshat here, this is purely in the interest of sating my curiosity and understanding your arguments. Could you please give me a few examples of things someone might be so afraid of talking about yet at the same time so interested in that they need to make up a "secret alias" so to speak? Excluding, of course, members of the KKK, neo-nazis, drug abusers, child molesters and other (as I said) extreme groups.

    46. Re:Mandatory? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's exactly how I deal with women.

    47. Re:Mandatory? by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

      You've done this before, haven' t you? : P

    48. Re:Mandatory? by martyros · · Score: 2, Informative

      Good advice I've gotten for a presentation:

      1) Have a point. What is the goal of your presentation? e.g., "I want everyone to walk out of the room knowing that..." try to keep this relatively short, like 3 major, related points. Then focus everything in your presentation around getting across those points. Depending on the type of presentation, I may work the points in to the introduction and the conclusion; but they have to be there implicitly, otherwise your talk will likely just be a bunch of random information, and your audience won't remember much.

      2) Consider where your audience is coming from. You can keep an audience's attention in several ways, but one simple straightforward way is to start with something from the audience's perspective, and keep coming back to the audience's perspective. If you start with a story that connects with them, and then every time you finish some new piece of information you say, "Now, you may be thinking X. Well, ..." and respond to that, hopefully in a way that will lead to your next point.

      3) People remember pictures about 1000x more easily than words, and stories about 100x more easily than plain prose points. Use pictures and stories, but make sure your pictures and stories actually support your point from #1. If you just tell a good joke, or share a crazy-looking picture, everyone will laugh and enjoy the presentation; but if it doesn't have anything to do with your points, they'll remember the picture or the story but not your points. In that case, you might as well have given them a stand-up comedy routine.

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    49. Re:Mandatory? by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      Ever been sent a link or picture or maybe a video in a message which you wish you could un-see?

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    50. Re:Mandatory? by archkittens · · Score: 1

      You have clearly never seen the insides of standard user mailboxes. they tend to have all sorts of things being sent to and from their work email accounts because for many users, especially in public sector where i work, work email is the only email address they check regularly. sometimes their kids have set them something up, but our system is the only one they are willing to use. and it's all public records....

    51. Re:Mandatory? by omuls+are+tasty · · Score: 1
    52. Re:Mandatory? by tburkhol · · Score: 1

      What is a '"professional" nick' anyways? In professional (as in, work related) situations, I use my name.

      Well, for me, tburkhol is a professional nick. 8 character username, assigned in days I was too lazy to put my real name into email, so electronic contacts know me by that string

      Could you please give me a few examples of things someone might be so afraid of talking about yet at the same time so interested in that they need to make up a "secret alias" so to speak?

      People have different levels of secret and different levels of comfort mixing their personal and professional opinions. Maybe camera operator for FOX news doesn't want his boss to know he supports gay marriage. Maybe you just want occasionally to vent about the asshole who cut you off in traffic, but prefer that your co-workers thing you're a level headed guy. Some people work very hard on their professional personae, which may be slightly or significantly different than their personal persona - think about stage personae like Marilyn Manson and Alice Cooper, who go home to families and lawn mowing.

      It may seem paranoid today, but half the world thrives on gossip, and it's easy to imagine that one of those gossip mongers might end up in a position of power over you, and might go googling for facts and gossip related to you. Associating your professional identity with your personal identity isn't a risk only if you personally hold extreme views, it's also a risk if people over you hold extreme views. Separating the identities is like auto insurance - you don't get it because you think you drive badly, you get it because everyone else drives badly.

    53. Re:Mandatory? by dontclapthrowmoney · · Score: 1

      I don't think it needs to be an extreme opinion - even types of behaviour is enough. People want to be themselves, without worrying about every possible impact. For example, I might choose to use language here that I wouldn't necessarily use at a job interview or at a meeting with a client... that's very mild behaviour compared to your average KKK member/child abuser and so on - but combine that with the fact that people are very judgmental and that first impressions are hard to overcome, and there is a good case to be made to obscure your identity online.

      I don't know whether a full replacement identity/alias is really necessary, although I know that when I have to register for something not-so-trustworthy online I use the same (fake) date of birth, address etc - so that if I ever have to re-enter the data (for password resets or whatever) I will know what I said originally, without any obvious way to link the identify with the real me.

      This is the same logic as having more than one e-mail address, one used for stuff that would attract SPAM.

      I think it it more that people want to relax and just be themselves without worrying, from behind at least a thin veil of anonymity, rather than their being members of the KKK - and people want to be able to maintain a (perhaps not so realistic, but still necessary) persona of professionalism etc - they aren't protecting who they are socially by hiding online, they are protecting the image they project of themselves at work.

      That's my take on it anyway, YMMV.

    54. Re:Mandatory? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I have found that food helps everyone like you more; perhaps he should provide lunch. Or at least cookies.

      Alcohol ensures that everyone loves you though, so provide a wide selection of the finest wines known to humanity.

      Admittedly, no-one will be listening to your presentation, but at least you'll be popular.

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    55. Re:Mandatory? by CrackHappy · · Score: 1

      NAH - I wouldn't fire him. I'd have to call him into my office and laugh it up with him. Then the CEO would fire him. :) *hi James*

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    56. Re:Mandatory? by OrugTor · · Score: 1

      Poor analogy. In our NJ back yard tomato plants grew as weeds. We harvested tomatoes from plants growing in the gaps between concrete patio slabs.

    57. Re:Mandatory? by KingAlanI · · Score: 1

      Wait, sounds like it would teach them that eating untrusted food is fun. :)

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      I listen to both RIAA and non-RIAA stuff if I like the music, tangential business/politics nonwithstanding.
    58. Re:Mandatory? by FullBandwidth · · Score: 1

      Wait ... you mean there are still companies that allow personally-owned devices and media to connect to their networks? I guess it saves the cost of hiring an IT staff - I can't imagine anyone taking that job.

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    59. Re:Mandatory? by cool_arrow · · Score: 1

      lemonparty is disturbing :|

    60. Re:Mandatory? by The+Wild+Norseman · · Score: 1

      Good point. The OP should take examples of real emails that employees have sent and read them aloud. End of speech.

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    61. Re:Mandatory? by archkittens · · Score: 1

      It's better to scare them with E-Discovery. "if we are sued for whatever reason, your email will be handed over to a vicious team of legal sharks, and i dont plan to censor it. anything that happens from there on out is your own fault."

  3. Make it funny by boxie · · Score: 2, Informative

    You don't have to be a comedian, you just need to make sure that your audience is attentive and taking in what you are saying - so - make it funny and have the jokes the things you want people to remember.

    that and tell them to be paranoid "if it seems dodgy, it probably is!"

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    1. Re:Make it funny by regularstranger · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It takes some real personality, practice, and experience to be funny for a large audience. In front of a large group, I can't make it happen (at least when I'm trying, it's when I'm not trying when I can get a laugh), and many others can't either. It's great if the presenter can pull it off, but if they can't, it will make the presentation very uncomfortable for everyone involved. I think planned jokes are risky for the uninitiated.

    2. Re:Make it funny by cerberusss · · Score: 1

      It takes some real personality, practice, and experience to be funny for a large audience [...] it will make the presentation very uncomfortable for everyone involved.

      Yes, it will be a memorable event. Which is the idea of the event!

      Drone 1: "You remember that meeting about security? Where he dropped his pants?"
      Drone 2: "Oh yeah, to demonstrate the point of a backdoor,he pulled a goatse right in front of the management team."

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    3. Re:Make it funny by sbjornda · · Score: 1

      We took a funny approach here - inspired by the Mac vs PC ads. I (the PHB) played the PC; my younger and better-looking security guy played the Mac. We got some laughs, and we told some scary stories too, and it was really quite effective.
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  4. Nigeria? Please.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, for one thing, that Nigerian Prince who emailed you really isn't sending you any money.

  5. Can't hear you by sakdoctor · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Too busy leaking private info on my crackberry.

  6. krsmav by krsmav · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When you have a captive audience, the temptation is nearly irresistible to force-feed them something they wouldn't willingly listen to. Put yourself in their place. Don't say anything that you would resent being forced to sit through. Keep it short and jargon-free, and lighten up if possible.

    1. Re:krsmav by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amen to short & jargon-free.

      And why include stuff that you admit doesn't relate directly? It would be much better to just mention that there is a whole other topic, or topics, that one should consider about security. Bonus if this 40 minute talk is down to 20 minutes, with another 20 minute one on that topic in the future.

  7. Tell them to take orders from Clippy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And only Clippy.

  8. Secure Your Presentation PC/software by sfled · · Score: 5, Funny

    Secure the PC & software you're going to use in the presentation, just to keep pranksters or jealous peers from having fun at your expense. Terribly embarrassing to give a talk on security while boobies are flashing on the screen behind you.

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    1. Re:Secure Your Presentation PC/software by Mr.+Roadkill · · Score: 1

      Secure the PC & software you're going to use in the presentation, just to keep pranksters or jealous peers from having fun at your expense. Terribly embarrassing to give a talk on security while boobies are flashing on the screen behind you.

      ...but great for getting the audience's attention. Between the "Oooh, Pwnies" commenters, "Hahaha, Boobies" leerers and "Help, I'm being harrassed" brigade (and yes, I expect there will be representatives of all genders and orientations in all three groups if the audience is large enough), it'll *definitely* be *noticed*. Possibly career-limiting, but *definitely* noticed.

    2. Re:Secure Your Presentation PC/software by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Create an embarassing or humorous photo out of several employees on Facebook, ones which you will see in the meeting. Leave enough so they know where the image came from, but make the composit odd enough (even use your own face for extra brownie points) to leave a lasting memory for everyone without identifying people easily. The people who see their own photos will either laugh or be uncomfortable, but the point is made.

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    3. Re:Secure Your Presentation PC/software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, that's an awesome idea. May lose a few pals, but it's a very effective way to illustrate a point.

  9. mandatory attention by nethenson · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "I'm going to have the mandatory attention of every employee and ..."

    Wrong. You are going to have the mandatory presence of every employee, but their attention is something you will have to earn.

  10. One line by antifoidulus · · Score: 4, Funny

    "If you wouldn't expose your wang to your co-workers at the water cooler, don't do it online"

    1. Re:One line by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't expose it at the water cooler, but i do dip it in when no one's looking.

    2. Re:One line by PiSkyHi · · Score: 1

      A: But, we haven't used Wang since the eighties!
      B: Speak for yourself!

  11. Using social networks in the job? by Saija · · Score: 3, Insightful

    on the security and privacy concerns relating to social networking

    I'm a little confused here: are the employees of your company using social network at work?, if so, why on earth don't you block the access to this sites?
    Note to myself: don't use /. at work

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    1. Re:Using social networks in the job? by piojo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe they treat their employees like adults and allow them to take breaks at times. Installing an internet filter is almost demeaning. It's kind of like drug testing, in fact. Companies that pull this shit don't believe in evaluating employees based on performance--instead, they really, really want you to follow the rules.

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    2. Re:Using social networks in the job? by fluffy99 · · Score: 1

      Sure you can block the handful of ones that you know about. But if that's all you rely on be prepared for it it to become a game of whack-a-mole, as the number of sites is growing. Do you really want to have to police this? Or would you rather put out a clearly defined policy, show the users you trust them to behave instead of treating them like inmates, and hammer the few folks that are too dense to follow the policy?

    3. Re:Using social networks in the job? by ajlisows · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I agree with you to some extent. The place I work is small (somewhere in the 80-100 desktop/laptop range) and did not have any security/internet policies in place whatsoever. We are a subsidiary of a much larger foreign company and they asked us to draft something up. The job fell to me. I considered internet filtering and decided that we should block sites that could possibly cause liability issues for the company. My list? Porn sites, for a few reasons. I figure if someone sees there is the possibility of harassment charges. I figure if someone is into kiddie porn there is the potential for all types of problems. A lot of porn sites are malware havens. Hate/Racism/Homophobic sites. Again, as there are people of different ethnic backgrounds at the company and if people are browsing these sites they may feel that the workplace is hostile, possibility of investigations if the person is coordinating the crime at the workplace or something. That is about it. I did cut off streaming video for awhile because it was being used a lot and a T1 line for 90 people isn't a heck of a lot of bandwidth, especially when we have guys from offsite transferring files to our network and stuff.

      Blocking anything that can be considered non-work related is obnoxious, but there are some things that I feel the company is better off without in the workplace.

    4. Re:Using social networks in the job? by Suhas · · Score: 1

      In this day and age of drive-by downloads and when even a visit to the New York Times may end up with your desktop being infected with malware, I would rather that questionable sites are blocked. It is not a question of blocking access to non-work related sites, but making sure that the corporate network does not become a botnet. Employee evaluation? Nice straw man.

    5. Re:Using social networks in the job? by Spazztastic · · Score: 1

      I did cut off streaming video for awhile because it was being used a lot and a T1 line for 90 people isn't a heck of a lot of bandwidth, especially when we have guys from offsite transferring files to our network and stuff.

      A bit OT, but you might want to look into getting a business line from a local ISP. Route your priority traffic through your T1 (Voice, offsite transfers), and set web browsing to go through the Comcast/Verizon business line. I've set this up at a few places.

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    6. Re:Using social networks in the job? by piojo · · Score: 1

      I also agree to you, to some extent. On the other hand, blocking hate sites is a band-aid--if you don't have culture problems, these sites present no danger.

      As for pornography, I see even less reason that an employee might legitimately want to go to a porn site at work... I can't think of a reason. However, if I knew the internet was filtered at my workplace, it would make me feel less trusted (or conversely, if I knew it was unfiltered, it would make me really respect my employers).

      Perhaps I should conclude that some extremely limited internet filtering is reasonable (and worthwhile), but will not produce the best possible employee culture.

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  12. IT people get security wrong by Kohath · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Educating your users is useful. You'll probably do a good job. Tell them not to download and install anything "fun" for Windows.

    I find that IT people get security wrong far more often than users, though I'm used to working with sophisticated users. IT people setup security that's needlessly inconvenient. The users then spend their time circumventing that security to get their work done. Users do things like writing their password down on a post-it, using skype, setting up logmein.com on their PC, or posting a document on a public site. They do this because IT forces elaborate password schemes and won't support remote logins or other external communications.

    IT needs to be responsive to user needs for security to work right in an organization.

    1. Re:IT people get security wrong by techno-vampire · · Score: 3, Informative
      IT people setup security that's needlessly inconvenient.

      How true! IT people seem to think that if you can make security tighter, you must, even where it doesn't make a difference. I once worked at a company where IT had set things up so that you had to log into three different databases to get your work done. Each one required a different ten-character password with at least one uppercase letter, one digit and one punctuation mark, and they all expired after thirty days. Sound good? What would you say if I told you that all three databases were on the local intranet and not accessible from outside of the firewall? There was no telecommuting, so you had to be on-site to reach the servers in question. The only thing IT did with their draconian password policy was make work harder for everybody, but there was no way to make them understand that.

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    2. Re:IT people get security wrong by commodore64_love · · Score: 2, Interesting

      >>>The only thing IT did with their draconian password policy was make work harder for everybody, but there was no way to make them understand that.

      Yeah there is.

      - "Hello IT."
      - "Yes I forgot my password." (i.e. lie)
      - "Again? You forgot your password last week too!"
      - "Yeah I know but I use three different servers, and your policy makes me have to reset my password about every 10 days. I can't possibly remember all of them when the word keeps changing all the time."

      After a couple times of these calls, IT will eventually get the message that their password policy is ridiculous and unworkable for the average worker.

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    3. Re:IT people get security wrong by uniquegeek · · Score: 1

      Our workplace (which is quite small) has a computer in the lunchroom that is hooked up to the internet, but not the company network. You can't install anything, but it's the place you take a break if you want to check something on facebook or a favorite web site, etc. It establishes "this side of the office is for work, this side is for fun".

      Most of us self-regulate quite nicely, but it's been necessary for a couple employees who refuse to grow up. Though, now that I think about it, they were both fired and don't work here anymore...

    4. Re:IT people get security wrong by element-o.p. · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Wrong.

      It's not the poor stiff at the helpdesk who sets policy; it's the extraneous middle manager five levels up who doesn't give ${rodent}'s ${anatomical feature} about how difficult it is for the working-class saps, so long as he can tell his SoX auditor that they are abiding by a secure policy. BTDT, got the T-shirt.

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    5. Re:IT people get security wrong by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 1

      After a couple times of these calls, IT will eventually get the message that their password policy is ridiculous and unworkable for the average worker.

      Not even close. The help desk personnel already know this-- they deal with this problem every day. They aren't the people who make the policies.

      UK Gov't Health tells kids to masturbate. Parents pissed.

      You aware the the UK meaning of "pissed" is "drunk," right?

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    6. Re:IT people get security wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I find that IT people get security wrong far more often than users, though I'm used to working with sophisticated users. IT people setup security that's needlessly inconvenient. The users then spend their time circumventing that security to get their work done.

      I find that stupid people who don't understand corporate culture blame the wrong people for brain-dead policies, and scream at the workers instead of the real people responsible.

      Hint: It's not the "IT People" who set the "needlessly inconvenient" security.. policy is invariably created by management, not the IT drones.

    7. Re:IT people get security wrong by Kohath · · Score: 1

      Our IT would handle this in two ways:

      1. Take a variable amount of time and then change the password for you. Continue to do it. Over and over and over and over. Act clueless when ask why they don't just fix the underlying problem. You can login now, what are you complaining about?

      or

      2. Ignore you.

      You can't get your work done? Stop forgetting your password or we'll hire someone with a better memory.

    8. Re:IT people get security wrong by Kohath · · Score: 1

      not "invariably"

      Our managers asked for security. I sincerely doubt they asked for specifically inconvenient security.

    9. Re:IT people get security wrong by overbaud · · Score: 1

      What a load of crap. In instance number 1. support is not doing their job... in instance number 2. your suggesting that a support bitch, or even their manager has control over the hiring process? Give me a break. Nothing worse than support people that have some complex about how much better they are than users. Support people are the bottom feeders of IT. The guys that aren't good enough to contibute in any meaningful way... their jobs is free up the the real IT talent to do their job. What if the forgetful user just happens to be a core part of the sales team? Or a director? Half the time people can't get work done because 1st and 2nd level support don't know what they are doing.

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    10. Re:IT people get security wrong by Kohath · · Score: 1

      What a load of crap. In instance number 1. support is not doing their job...

      Yeah. Tell me about it.

      in instance number 2. your suggesting that a support bitch, or even their manager has control over the hiring process?

      No, a guy's manager has control of hiring and bonuses, not "support"? What good is a guy who can't get his work done? What good is a guy who always has one excuse or another why he didn't get his work done?

      We just worked around IT and complained. See above where I pointed out that users circumvent security that keeps them from getting their work done.

      (Also, this very specific thing with the passwords didn't happen to us. But similar things did with similar IT responses.)

      ... The guys that aren't good enough to contibute in any meaningful way... their jobs is free up the the real IT talent to do their job.

      After how long? A year? You're theoretically correct though.

      What if the forgetful user just happens to be a core part of the sales team? Or a director?

      Our directors had issues on this level. Bitter complaints resulted. IT meetings happened. "You can login now, what are you complaining about? Just put in a trouble ticket. We try to be pretty responsive on the tickets."

      or

      "We don't have that problem at headquarters."

      or (my fucking favorite)

      "That problem won't happen after we switch to the new system." And stuff they didn't say unless you really pressed them: " ... No, we don't have any schedule for switching over. Sometime after the first of the year. ... No, we can't narrow it down to a quarter. ... No, we haven't purchased it yet, we're still qualifying it. ... No, there's no interim fix. Put in a trouble ticket. ... Etc."

      It got to the point where I'd laugh every time I heard a "When...?" question related to IT.

      Four years of this. It was maddening. Especially because I had a background in what IT was doing and could have just fixed a lot of the problems if I were allowed to.

      Half the time people can't get work done because 1st and 2nd level support don't know what they are doing.

      We got ours done by working around them.

    11. Re:IT people get security wrong by overbaud · · Score: 1

      I think we are on the same page... which initially I didn't, i thought it was from the point of view of IT (in support of and IT dictatorship). Nowhere I have worked during my career would someone get fired for fogetting passwords etc. most places with bad IT realise that they have bad IT. Getting fired for no work being done due to bad IT policy is just an unfair dismissal case waiting to happen. Better solution, fire problems in IT, hire new IT. But hey I'm probably preaching to the choir.

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    12. Re:IT people get security wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Or worse - you have a corporate web page and a cute corporate mail newsletter that gets sent to all employees.

      Some idiot thinks having all sorts of animations and other features is really important to the corporate image and so they instruct all of their employees to turn off disabling executable anything in their e-mail client so their fancy crap can be seen the way they intended.

      Yeah, nothing like making the mail client on every desktop right back into a nice infection vector to put malware behind the firewall....

    13. Re:IT people get security wrong by Alpha830RulZ · · Score: 4, Funny

      and they expire the account if you don't log in every 30 days. Which you don't if you did it right the first time. Which happened to me yesterday. And cost us 9 hrs of customer visible downtime until the drone in distributed systems management could reset the account. Who was out on a dental appt. Whose backup didn't have a login on the system. Because of an expired account. No shit.

      But I rant...

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    14. Re:IT people get security wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...you had to log into three different databases to get your work done. Each one required a different ten-character password with at least one uppercase letter, one digit and one punctuation mark, and they all expired after thirty days.

      And everyone used the same password for all three, right? Which just happened to be the same password they used to log on to their machine, access ebay, browse forums... yeah, I've been there.

    15. Re:IT people get security wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Few better pieces can be stated about the issue. Granted part of security is having the passwords and such, but another part which is just as important is having security usable by the employees without interfering with their job duties.

      Even something simple as setting up a locked down terminal server that employees can RDP to, for browsing externally on the Internet (but blocking copy, paste, and other exchanges against secure internal computers and the account on the box) can go a long way, as people are less willing to find ways to jump the corporate firewall to browse sites they consider critical. It also helps curtail abuse, where if an employee is misusing a resource, it can be further limited or access taken from them altogether.

    16. Re:IT people get security wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More realistically, the IT calls will be logged, and some middle manager will call the guy's supervisor with the help desk tickets and request he be disciplined or removed for some generic "failing to heed security policies which are a requisite for employment", or "too high maintenance".

      This isn't to say that security policies can get ridiculous, but usually the muckety-muck who works in a vacuum designing the boneheaded corporate policies will never be questioned. Usually they will turn around and defend their actions and say that it is required under Sarbanes-Oxley/HIPAA/whatever reg comes to mind, even though in reality there is no such text anywhere near that bill.

    17. Re:IT people get security wrong by rantingkitten · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Tell them not to download and install anything "fun" for Windows.

      Alright, the zealot in me just has to step up.

      The overwhelming majority of rank-and-file office workers don't even need Windows. Really. They don't.

      They need email, web browsing, spreadsheets -- usually nothing particularly demanding -- IM, and not much else. In this day and age of online CRMs and such, most office workers could get away with little more than a browser.

      Why are these people even using Windows?

      Sure, there are always the accountants who have that Excel macro they wrote eight years ago that absolutely will not translate into Open Office. Fine. And you have those three guys who use specialised CAD software. Great. Those people can use Windows.

      But the vast majority of the sales crew, administrative staff, and damn near everyone else, does not need Windows. Why are we pouring such huge amounts of money into this crap?

      "But kitten! We have an application written thirty seven billion years ago that only works on IE!"
      Great. You can either spend a bit now to rewrite it so it works on any platform, or you can continue to throw thousands of dollars and thousands of manhours, year after year, at the effort of keeping this thing propped up. When are you going to throw in the towel?

      "But kitten! The retraining! My team only knows Windows!
      No. Your team does not "know" Windows, any more than they "know" engines because they drive a car. They know, by pure memorization, that for email they should click this, for the shared network drive (which they probably call "the office drive") they click that, and for Word they click here. They know how to use a couple of applications but that is not OS-specific. The reality is, if you installed Ubuntu on every one of your sales team's computers, and told them "It's, like, the new Windows Longhorn!", they'd grouse about it for a day and get over it. Your "team" does not "know Winedows". You didn't train them in "Windows", you trained them to know your specific business applications, most of which are online and are therefore OS agnostic.

      So you can either throw more and more money and manhours at keeping your staff on Windows because they "know" Windows, but curiously need to be told over and over how not to break Windows by downloading things, and lose hours of time because they effed-up Windows once again and had to wait for IT to re-image the machine...
      ...or you can have them stop using Windows because they don't need it.

      sigh.


      I know, yes, I know, there are always those few sitations where Windows is necessary. And some smartass always has to pipe up with "Well, in MY company we haev this GUY who has a Windows only APPLICATIOn and we couldn't SURVIVE..."

      Spare me.

      The truth is we -- as an IT professional collective -- throw so, so, so much money and time at keeping the Windows lusers safe. Trying to "educate" them, fruitlessly. Tracking licenses. Buying more upgrades. Making sure to roll out new "virus definitions". Admonishing users time and time and time and time again: "Stop downloading that. Don't install that. Quit forwarding that email. Don't click that for god's sake."

      When is it time to stop treating the symptoms? Attack and remove the cause, which is Windows. If Windows is not exactly the cause, per se, it is certainly the enabler.

      Please note: Using Linux (or any other OS) will not stop idiots from chattering about private company information in public. But that is a managerial problem, not a technical problem.

      Note that using Linux will not stop your idiot employees from naming names on Facebook and Myspace and Diggwoot and Farkmeme. But that is a managerial problem, not a technical problem.

      Using Linux WILL prevent your employees from contracting viruses that email random -- often confidential -- documents to random

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    18. Re:IT people get security wrong by Gravaton · · Score: 1

      Mind you that failing an audit can have catastrophic consequences. With regards to SOX:

      "Non compliance penalties range from the loss of exchange listing, loss of D&O insurance to multimillion dollar fines and imprisonment. It can result in a lack of investor confidence. A CEO or CFO who submits a wrong certification is subject to a fine up to $1 million and imprisonment for up to ten years. If the wrong certification was submitted 'willfully', the fine can be increased up to $5 million and the prison term can be increased up to twenty years." (taken from sox-online.com)

      With regard to PCI, it can be something like "What a shame, you can't do business anymore!"

      Not to say that the policy in question was appropriate or in any way properly matched to the requirement, but if that extraneous middle manager five levels up doesn't get his audits in order, that nice pile of money that pays the salaries of those "working-class saps" might well end up vanishing in a heartbeat.

    19. Re:IT people get security wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      There is one thing Windows has over Linux, and that is the ability for someone to point and click on an OU level, update and push out a GPO. This doesn't sound like much, but companies like being able to manage every single PC out there.

      Another thing: Say I use a non certified (no FIPS/Common Criteria) OS in a publically traded corporation, and something happens, or some auditor just decides to start going through logs. Guess what. Because the OS isn't certified, I'm not following due diligence. This opens the company up to shareholder lawsuits, and officers up to prison time.

      There are two certified commercial Linux distributions that can be used as desktop replacements: SuSE, and RedHat. Both have all the colored stickered that give the critical CYA needed in a medium to large company.

    20. Re:IT people get security wrong by silanea · · Score: 1

      Please mod parent up. Corporate IT is not a feel-good service wonderland for users, it is akin to physical security on the premises or to accounting: It serves the company, protects it and cleans up after the mess. While it should not deliberately get in the way of people doing their job, its responsibilities lie with the company first. Striking the right balance is very hard, but I would rather err on the side of caution and implement rules stricter than absolutely necessary. You can always tone them down afterwards if issues arise, but tightening them after people have grown accustomed to relaxed rules - and adapted their work flow to them - is neither easy nor popular.

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    21. Re:IT people get security wrong by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 1

      Nope... they get an increased allocation of funds to hire more guys to handle the password resets.

      Periodic password change policies are job security for IT support.

    22. Re:IT people get security wrong by Kohath · · Score: 1

      No one actually gets "fired". You just get put on the wrong list when it's time for layoffs. Or you get a bad review and everyone gets a bonus except for you. Etc.

      We had a bad IT group. That's what I'm saying. We tried everything to get them to improve. And they actually did improve a little over a long period of time.

      Simple answers (like complaining and taking up helpdesk time until someone sees it's more efficient to fix the underlying problem than to keep servicing it) only work in fundamentally good (or at least mediocre) situations.

    23. Re:IT people get security wrong by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      >>>Nowhere I have worked during my career would someone get fired for fogetting passwords etc..... is just an unfair dismissal case waiting to happen.
      >>>

      I love winning the lottery.

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    24. Re:IT people get security wrong by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      Or, rather than hire more people, they'll consider ways to reduce costs by extending password expiration to a year, so the workers can remember the damn word.

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    25. Re:IT people get security wrong by Kohath · · Score: 1

      People need to get their work done. Windows allows it.

      You seem to be advocating a scheme that has an agenda that's not primarily "people get their work done". That makes you part of the problem.

      Any scheme you design has to cater to the people and their ability to get their work done. Even if they're lusers. Even if ... anything.

    26. Re:IT people get security wrong by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      The overwhelming majority of rank-and-file office workers don't even need Windows. Really. They don't.

      What the overwhelming majority of people at work don't need is a Windows login with administrative priveleges. There's really no need for most people to install anything on their computers at work.

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    27. Re:IT people get security wrong by dirtyjoe78 · · Score: 1

      Why do Linux people maintain that it is the best thing since sliced bread. What do you think will happen to Linux if it ever manages to become a widely adopted OS? It will get attacked just like windows because your maximum effect target will become Linux instead of windows same with any other OS that takes the place of windows. Once that happens you will come full circle back to how to pretect OS's and users and securing of your network. The operating system matters very little it is the adoption of that OS that determines attacks. Windows as an operating system is pretty secure it is the applications that are not, in my opinion security starts with the programmers until programming makes the necissary cahnges to program securely no matter what OS you are running it will be vulernable.

    28. Re:IT people get security wrong by rantingkitten · · Score: 1

      It will get attacked just like windows because your maximum effect target will become Linux instead of windows same with any other OS that takes the place of windows.

      So what? The millions of LAMP stacks out tehre do get attacked all day, every day, and very rarely does anything happen. My machines get scanned and brute-force-attacked all the time. Nothing happens.

      Windows is attacked partially because it has large numbers of clueless home users running it, yes, but also because it's just so easy. Linux is not without its own vulnerabilities, and no one claims otherwise. But it is, from the ground up, an inherently more secure designed OS than Windows will ever be.

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    29. Re:IT people get security wrong by rantingkitten · · Score: 1

      People need to get their work done. Windows allows it.

      By and large people don't care what tool they're using. They don't want to use Word, they want to write a document. They don't want to use Outlook, they want to send email. They don't care what they're using to send the email as long as it works.

      Modern Linux desktops will "allow" this just fine. As I said, I acknowledge that there will always be a few holdouts who absolutely need that one weird Windows-only app to do their job. "Use Linux" is not going to cover 100% of the working population. It would probably cover 90% of them, though, particularly since -- as noted -- more and more work applications are being shuffled off to the browser, where it doesn't matter what OS you're using.

      I am fairly confident that I could image our entire sales team's computers with Ubuntu overnight and in the morning, tell them I "upgraded to Windows Longhorn". There'd be some initial whinging that their icons are all moved around, but they wouldn't have any trouble getting things done, and undoubtedly within a day or two they'd stop whining.

      People don't "use" Windows -- they use applications, and they don't much give a damn what application they're using as long as it does what they need to do. They'll be just as happy writing client letters in Open Office as in Word.

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    30. Re:IT people get security wrong by James-NSC · · Score: 1

      Kohath / Techno-vampire commented "IT people setup security that's needlessly inconvenient". A paper from HotSec '07 http://www.usenix.org/event/hotsec07/tech/full_papers/florencio/florencio.pdf titled "Do Strong Web Passwords Accomplish Anything?" addresses the principal of requiring users to use ridiculously strong passwords. In practice, this tends to have the adverse effect by making systems too cumbersome to log into and passwords that are so hard to remember they are often written down. How strong do passwords need to be in order to be effective? The paper argues (and the math confirms) that even relatively weak passwords (20 bits) when used with password rotation and "three strike" policies are enough to make brute-force attacks on a single account unrealistic. My employers previous user/pass policy was mixed case, 8 char min, #'s and punctuation requirement, with 90 day rotation and three-strikes - BUT the username was made public, so only 1/2 the credential pair was private. My approach was to make both the user and the pass non-public, keep the rotation & three-strike policy and reduce the complexity requirement of the password slightly. The result puts more of the security burden on the systems and less on the users (by not having to remember complex passwords). This results in higher overall security of credential pairs and made the userâ(TM)s daily experience easier and less cumbersome.

  13. While you're at it.. by 3Cats · · Score: 5, Funny

    explain to them that's MY FREAKIN BACON SANDWICH in the fridge! I had my NAME ON IT!!

    Farkin' lunch thieves...

    1. Re:While you're at it.. by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      Pick something poisonous but tasteless. Nothing lethal.

      Make sandwich with substance.

      Sit and wait.

    2. Re:While you're at it.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol you fatty.

    3. Re:While you're at it.. by 3Cats · · Score: 1

      Actually, not so. That's why I can eat bacon!!!

    4. Re:While you're at it.. by commodore64_love · · Score: 2, Funny

      And spend several years in jail for 3rd degree manslaughter. A wiser course is to use something harmless but effective, like laxative or Syrup of ipecac

      "Hey John you've been disappearing a lot. Are you sick?"
      "Yeah man... I threw up."
      "Huh. Hey did you happen to see what happened to my sandwich? Some fool ate it. I'm glad I'm not him because it's a week old."

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    5. Re:While you're at it.. by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      What part of 'nothing lethal' did you miss?

      Just a poison that makes them sick, I'd consider syrup of ipecac a poison.

    6. Re:While you're at it.. by commodore64_love · · Score: 1
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    7. Re:While you're at it.. by gandhi_2 · · Score: 1

      syrup of ipecac should only be administered under order of a physician. it's fallen out of favor because you only throw up around 85% of your stomach contents and about 15% of people don't throw it up at all.... and it's a cardiotoxin....so all the non-puked ipecac starts to poison you. so you would be poisoning them. besides, the smell would give it away.

    8. Re:While you're at it.. by tomhudson · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Better yet, put a teaspoon of methylene blue in a 1- or 2-litre bottle of coke or pepsi.

      Let suspect drink it.

      Let them get all alarmed the next day because they're peeing green or purple.

      Just a couple of drops in a glass does the job.

    9. Re:While you're at it.. by Kral_Blbec · · Score: 1

      hehe thats wicked. totally harmless, yet effective.

    10. Re:While you're at it.. by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1
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    11. Re:While you're at it.. by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I'm glad that slashdot's equal opportunity program for moronic juvenile posters is working out so well.

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    12. Re:While you're at it.. by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      Then you'd LOVE my Banana Cream Pie recipe to deter people from "sampling" pies I bake by sticking their fingers in the whipped cream while it's sitting in the fridge ... 1 can of shaving cream, some sprinkles and a cherry.

      Or the Crisco Ice Cream cones ... looks just like vanilla ice cream.

    13. Re:While you're at it.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All of you would potentially face charges for poisoning.

    14. Re:While you're at it.. by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      All of you would potentially face charges for poisoning.

      Don't be an idiot. There's no such thing as "facing charges for poisoning." It's "willfully administering a noxious substance" - and methylene blue is classified as safe. They even sell candies with a methylene blue center, same as candles you can't blow out, etc.

      And no, don't bother with the "what if someone is allergic?" argument - it holds as much water as giving a peanut butter sandwich to someone who you didn't know was allergic - there's no "willful intent".

      And while you're at it, get a sense of humour.

  14. Advise them on corporate espionage... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Tell them how to look out for individuals within the company that may be involved in corporate espionage and point out key characteristics of suspects:

    Unexplained Affluence - they have more money than you would expect from their job/life.

    Undue Interest - they show up in your department asking questions but have no work-related purpose.

    Affiliation - they express low affiliation with the company, or high affiliation with other interests.

    Work Issues - they are not happy with their work or feel that they have not been treated fairly.

    Questionable Contacts - they associate with or are in contact with persons of competing firms or interests.

    Note that depending on your specific industry and company, security discussion of this level may require more than a few minutes.

  15. Cutting off social networking? by syousef · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My employer is changing its policy towards employee use of social networks. I've been asked to give a 40-minute presentation to the entire company, with attendance mandatory, on the security and privacy concerns relating to social networking.

    Correct me if I'm wrong but that just sounds to me like your employer is going to start blocking Facebook, Myspace, Youtube, private email, and possibly everything else your filtering software classifies as social networking. Or at least a prelude to this.

    If I'm right, the only opportunity you're being given here is to become the public face of a very unpopular move. Adding a lecture on security to this will only irritate people who'll be thinking "Well it's not going to matter anyway once it's blocked". It's going to be very difficult to come across as anything but condescending. People are quite likely to associate the decision with you personally. Your aim should be to stay brief and informative, not to "utilize" the opportunity, because it's an opportunity for social suicide. Ideally this should have been undertaken by email, been short and been to the point.

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    1. Re:Cutting off social networking? by phasmal · · Score: 1

      I would have said it sounded like the opposite - that they are just about to open the doors to social networking and want to ensure that employees to it 'safely'...

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    2. Re:Cutting off social networking? by /dev/trash · · Score: 1

      Puts already blocked all that. No complaints. Ya should be working not socializing anyway.

    3. Re:Cutting off social networking? by Imrik · · Score: 1

      It could also be that the company is changing its policy to be more friendly to the social networking sites, which could necessitate a presentation on the possible dangers.

    4. Re:Cutting off social networking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah I fail to see why a company needs to explain to its employees an action restricting use of the company's equipment. I mean they didn't sign some sort of contract that gives them the right to play online did they? People at my company get fired for wasting to much time online.asld;kfwenla ahhhhhh...nnoooo...must hit submit after writing this stupid pun....

    5. Re:Cutting off social networking? by QuantumG · · Score: 1

      Henry Ford called, he wants his Scientific Management textbook back.

      A happy employee is a productive employee. Modern management is about making employees feel valued and trusted. They do their job because they get satisfaction out of it, not because someone is behind them cracking the whip.

      Banning social networking sites is the exact opposite of what you need to do. You should be encouraging your employees to have fun at work while showering praise on their work. Yes, saying "thank you for doing your job" is exactly what people want to hear, even if they say they don't.

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    6. Re:Cutting off social networking? by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Don't blame Henry. He was part of the deal, but he was just doing what that fascist Taylor said to do. Taylorism needs to be obliterated.

    7. Re:Cutting off social networking? by syousef · · Score: 1

      Puts already blocked all that. No complaints. Ya should be working not socializing anyway.

      Spoken like a fool that thinks working means talking to a machine and not to other human beings. You shouldn't be spending excessive time on personal communication BUT that does not mean you don't talk to people and social networks CAN be a good way to do it under the right set of circumstances. If you need to treat your employees like thieves that will take every opportunity to slack off you have MUCH bigger problems than blocking one single way in which they do so.

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    8. Re:Cutting off social networking? by FrozenGeek · · Score: 1

      You may be wrong. Lots of people post info about their work on social networking sites via their home computers. Even though the info is not posted from a corporate computer, the posts can still damage the company. Regardless of whether employees can access social networking sites from work, they need to be aware of the potential effects of social networking on their employer.

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    9. Re:Cutting off social networking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is something I've seen destroy some small businesses. It usually starts when one employee does something stupid, management tightens security policies, which causes people to get ticked and either get around the rules, or just obey the letter of the law, and nothing else. This causes another round of ratcheting. Then you get the employees who are fired in front of everyone (since some manager wants to make an example.)

      By this time, there is no corporate morale other than ensuring that your card shows the green light on the HID badge reader. The computer-savvy people who want some revenge if fired will start leaving logic bombs behind to do random file deletions if a certain file is not modified within a few weeks. The law-savvy people will be looking for a way to sue for wrongful termination. People who just don't care either way will just pace out the camera system in the parking garage and add "pinstriping" to other people's vehicles. Eventually, any good people (every company has people who are not replaceable, especially developers) will either move on or have deals with competition. Then you have a company full of people whose reason for working there is that they cannot find anywhere else to go.

      Usually after the mass exodus of the people that got the company going in the beginning, the product line the company has is falling noticeably behind the competition, and in several quarters the company will either be bought out for their IP, or just go under and their IP end up on the bankruptcy scrap heap.

      Want to know how to prevent this "symphony of destruction" from happening? Yes, policy makers has to do something to show they have rectified the situation to lower chances of it happening again. But, management needs to think carefully of what they need to do when a security incident happens, and not just add rules willy-nilly.

      For example, if the company had a laptop get stolen with corporate data on it, instead of forcing 30 character passwords on everyone, consider licensing something like PGP, BitLocker, Symantec's Endpoint Encryption, then reissuing laptops with a TPM, and calling it done [1]. This way, subsequent laptop thefts will result in no data being lost.

      Another example: A weak password causes an intrusion. You solve this by dropping in a sane policy of passwords. I have seen companies content with 8 characters changed every so often that have password quality guidelines. Other companies require 15 character long passwords, but one can type anything for the password. I remember one large company finding out that for security, length is more important than complexity (assuming not a trivially simple password like all "a"s).

      A third example: Someone in the company is caught with a P2P server exchanging unlicensed material. You find out because your IDS goes off, your network checks notice a lot of incoming traffic to a large number of IPs, or at the worst, the ISP notifies you about pending IP violations. First thing the company wants to do is make sure that something similar won't happen again. In this case, you discipline the employee [2], put out an all hands notice saying essentially "copyrighted IP is copyrighted, violations of this will result in really bad things happening", put in a detection system at the gateway to catch further violations, and call it done, as the good faith effort has been made, but not in a way that it sabotages employee morale across the board.

      Long post, but in summary, high morale can mean a lot less worry about employee theft. Happy employees are ones that will follow security policies in both letter and spirit. Pissed off employees are ones who just do their 8 and out the gate. Happy employees also will find a lot better people for internal openings than ones who are just there to get a paycheck and head home.

      [1]: Of course, one can use TrueCrypt for small businesses and keep the ISO of the restore CD with a known passphrase in a secure location, but after a certain company size, this gets tou

    10. Re:Cutting off social networking? by mlts · · Score: 1

      You couldn't have said it better. All it takes is a tweet about "woo, new products at my work to play with that have 8 GB of RAM per core", for a competitor to find it, go "hmm, maybe we should tell our devs that their kill point for their product refresh will be the amount of RAM independently addressable", and then come product release time, the competitor has 12 GB of RAM per core.

      People don't call their friends up and tell them about company secrets. I don't get why they slap it on social networking sites for not just friends, but everyone can see it. And everyone usually includes people you really don't want knowing stuff about you or your workplace. Even seemingly boring stuff like posting a work schedule can get adept thieves to know when to do a burglary.

    11. Re:Cutting off social networking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, email like that is ignored. My wife's company sent everyone email notices warning them that Facebook use was so high, they were going to have to shut off access if people didn't restrain themselves. It's just been shut off.

      This is the last opportunity to retain access for all employees - tell them so, and tell them clearly.
      And keep it really simple: one cookie per day, or no more cookies ... ever !

    12. Re:Cutting off social networking? by syousef · · Score: 1

      Wrong lecture. This guy's talking about security. You're talking about confidentiality and purposeful ill advised dissemination of information. Anyone working with confidential material needs training on that, not security.

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    13. Re:Cutting off social networking? by /dev/trash · · Score: 1

      our production of widgets tripled after we blocked facebook.

    14. Re:Cutting off social networking? by /dev/trash · · Score: 1

      They do the job because IF THEY DON'T they get fired and starve.

  16. Privacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd go with a reminder that nothing you do at work is private, rather than just e-mail.

  17. Familiarity Breeds Contempt... by BoRegardless · · Score: 1

    or at least mind-numbing forgetfulness.

    Use of the Internet should generally be remembered to be nonsecure and suspect.

    Lots of people will forget, because they are tired, pushed, harangued, or pissed off at their boss or coworkers.

    Trying to instill constant vigilant attitudes will be REAL tough.

    Maybe Browser pop-ups reminding employees of the latest intrusion or hazard of the day is not so bad as a reminder. (Please no bricks) If I was to design a popup, it would be a one liner with a link for more info. and the popup would disappear after 5 seconds on its own.

  18. Back it up with a little detail helps. by Kyle · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Everyone knows you need a secure password. Now show them the log of the 3k connection attempts to the SSH port that occurred overnight.

    Unknown Entries:
                authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=ssh ruser= rhost=125.46.49.199 : 2366 Time(s)
                authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=ssh ruser= rhost=222.73.205.44 user=root : 364 Time(s)
                authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=ssh ruser= rhost=140.116.236.46 user=root : 80 Time(s)
                authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=ssh ruser= rhost=222.73.205.44 : 73 Time(s)

    Maybe ask permission to do a live demonstration of a password cracking tool. See how many passwords you can get in 2 minutes. This may be dangerous though, hide the results, just show the usernames, you don't want to find out who is using the CEO's wife's name as a password.

    Really get their attention with some specifics like that.

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    1. Re:Back it up with a little detail helps. by The_AV8R · · Score: 1

      He might get sued for that.

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    2. Re:Back it up with a little detail helps. by s.d. · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You really think that secretaries and accountants and HR reps, who are being forced to sit through a "don't put stupid shit on Facebook because it reflects badly on us" or "don't Twitter about company business or you'll get fired" presentation would understand or care about brute force ssh attacks?

      Everyone is being told, "This discussion of social networking and how to protect yourself and the company is mandatory." Don't waste their time with things that they won't understand and are totally off-topic.

    3. Re:Back it up with a little detail helps. by gd2shoe · · Score: 1

      Maybe ask permission [(presumably from management)]... hide the results, just show the usernames,

      He might get sued for that.

      Sued for what? I see no grounds here. The company can't sue if permission is given. The individual can't sue if the password isn't made known (and slander/libel only sticks if what's said/written is not true). The employee ought not be able to sue even if the password was made known, but that might start getting a little fuzzy (depending on the judge and local law).

      I'd recommend writing a script that displays the actual name behind the account, and flags the account for a password change (or "usermod -L", etc).

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    4. Re:Back it up with a little detail helps. by Charles+Dodgeson · · Score: 1

      I've shown people these kinds of logs in real time. It does get a message across, though it's not clear whether the effect lasted.

      So to get a real improvement, show them those logs and then give them practical advice on using a good password management system.

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    5. Re:Back it up with a little detail helps. by Kyle · · Score: 1

      It's not about brute force ssh attacks, that's just an example, it could be RDP, or PPTP VPN for all I care, it's about ramming home the point that in a 24 hour period someone was trying to break through weak passwords. 3000 attempts, and that's a slow night.

      You're ramming home the point that there is always someone trying to break in to something, doesn't matter if it's a social networking site, the VPN, or the webserver, if you're putting something online, assume it will be attacked and secure it appropriately.

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    6. Re:Back it up with a little detail helps. by forkazoo · · Score: 1

      You really think that secretaries and accountants and HR reps, who are being forced to sit through a "don't put stupid shit on Facebook because it reflects badly on us" or "don't Twitter about company business or you'll get fired" presentation would understand or care about brute force ssh attacks?

      Of course they don't care. That's the point of making a presentation. Do it well, and you can make them interested enough to not be belligerent to policy. They can't know about the strangers in the ethers always attacking unless you show them.

    7. Re:Back it up with a little detail helps. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Check social networks for company specific data for yourpresentation. We have done this for other companies, gone into meetings with information from social networks about the company, its policies and people. The level of detail that we have found has been quite high, and from a security/privacy issue the release of that informmation can be quite dangerous.

      BTW its not just the use of social networks at work that is the probolem - people go home and vent online about work problems. The security and privacy issue is now the whole world can read that vent and use it malicously, whereas before it was people around you at the bar/pub/coffee shop who heard the vent

    8. Re:Back it up with a little detail helps. by mlts · · Score: 1

      I have done that. At one place I worked where I was running a dictionary guesser, people whose passwords ended up being guessed, I just silently forced a password change. Usually the person will grumble, change their password and that will be the end of that. This is assuming the operating systems or apps have some sort of password strength meter built in, because if they don't, "hunter2" will be replaced by "hunter3".

    9. Re:Back it up with a little detail helps. by MrMr · · Score: 1

      You might get sued for failing to check password security as well. Better hide under your desk and do nothing.

    10. Re:Back it up with a little detail helps. by gd2shoe · · Score: 1

      ...This is assuming the operating systems or apps have some sort of password strength meter built in, because if they don't, "hunter2" will be replaced by "hunter3".

      Not necessarily. What you really need is some way to tell said employee that weak passwords will expire quickly (and run the cracker as a cron job/scheduled task). Maybe as part of the system welcome message? If he doesn't "get it", the first coworker he complains to is bound to correct him.

      Your cron can do something akin to this in a for loop (there's bound to be a more elegant way, using run time instead of wall time).

      #!/bin/sh
      nice -n 19 xeyes &
      sleep 60
      kill -9 %1

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  19. ATM skimming... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you are going to cover Ass To Mouth, why bother skimming it?

  20. Closed Source Open Source by erroneus · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    With Closed Source software, it has been shown time and again that you don't always know what it will do beyond its stated and obvious functions. Windows Genuine Advantage, for example, has been shown to store and send out more information than Microsoft has stated. Other closed source software has been shown to do similar things as well. Ultimately, the software for which source code is not openly available (and which is often encrypted to avoid disassembly or other analysis) simply cannot be checked or verified the way Open Source software can. And while the vast majority of apps do actually behave, you still have to understand that each program is a "black box" and you simply have to "trust" it. With Open Source software, this is much less the case.

    The lesson here isn't necessarily that everyone should use only Open Source software either. The lesson is that adequate suspicion and caution should be exercised when installing software onto a computer keeping in mind various factors. Such factors might include how much it is needed versus how good its reputation may be. People tend to put more trust into strange software than they would a stranger asking to have access into their computer system and this is rather strange. When installing strange software into a computer system, it is actually worse in many ways to having someone personally and directly have free access into your computer system. It is important to remind everyone what it is they are granting access to when they install strange software that is, in the end, "a black box."

  21. STOP CLICKING RANDOM LINKS by chill · · Score: 1

    Like the animal kingdom, if it looks interesting and has lots of bright colors, it is probably deadly. Stay away.

    Don't post anything online that you wouldn't want your grandmother, pastor and organized criminals to see. Or, don't post anything that shows anything you wouldn't want your pre-teen daughter to be doing.

    Terms of service change on a whim. There is no such thing as online privacy. The internet never forgets. Don't trust the delete key. Don't say in e-mail what you wouldn't be willing to say to someone's face -- in public.

    Learn what BCC is in e-mail. Never use multiple TO or CC to anyone outside the company, as it can expose a great deal of internal e-mail addresses.

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    1. Re:STOP CLICKING RANDOM LINKS by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Don't use your internal password for anything external, like your hotmail account.

      If you need to share your data with co-workers don't give them your password so they can log in and do it.

      If in doubt, don't.

  22. Lean On Existing Protocol And Procedure... by Xin+Jing · · Score: 1

    And where that trails off and the gray area begins, go back to that same rules and regulations compendium and glean appropriate behavior and confidentiality employee agreements to remind people what is acceptable and what is not.

    It's a rare situation that has employees actively working and conducting business in various locations and stages of production where they are exempt from the rules and regulations that govern safety, access and distribution of proprietary information, asset security and liability. When in doubt, employees are encouraged to seek out their immediate supervisor or manager and share case-by case situations that fall outside of established guidelines.

    While this puts more burdin on the rules to list what is appropriate and what isn't, the "employee handbook" can become a living document that grows as procedures change and situations require ammended courses of action.

    I'd also suggest incorporating a a policy revision or review process, where the common employee can affect change through communication to an individual or department that can highlight a policy or procedure that is incomplete or inaccurate.

    In the end, the Company is seen as less infallible and more adaptive, the management that executive or owners rely on to get things done are better empowered to merge effort with Company expectations.

  23. Supplemental materials by beefnog · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If your company has branches in all of those regions, chances are there are quite a few people in the crowds that feel their time is worth far more than yours. I would create a supplemental handout / electronic document rather than discussing points that aren't in the exact scope of what you've been asked to discuss. Speak specifically about social networks. Provide literature about your other concerns.

  24. KISS by girlintraining · · Score: 1, Informative

    Keep it short, keep it simple. And don't stray off the topic. And you might want to have a handout of the key points.

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    1. Re:KISS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'Keep It Simple, Stupid'

  25. Don't. by ChaosDiscord · · Score: 1

    Nothing says Commitment to Quality like deciding that 40 minutes is the right length of time for an important lesson, then assigning someone else to creating the lesson content.

    As others have noted, people are already going to be surly about a mandatory meeting. For those people who actually use social networks, they're going to be surly about whatever restrictions your company has decided on. You can buy a bit of forgiveness by letting them out early. It might seem like you're passing on a golden opportunity, but trying to cram in additional content is doomed. They start surly. You'll be 30 minutes in and they'll be zoning out. It's a hostile audience, and little, if anything, you say will stick with them. If it's obvious you've jumped to seemingly optional topics, (which is what "While I have you" says), you'll lose the rest.

    You've been ordered to push a boulder half-way up a hill. It's doomed to roll back down the moment you're done. Don't make extra work for yourself by uselessly pushing it all the way to the top.

  26. If you by msimm · · Score: 2, Funny

    If you do it naked no matter how dull the content it will be an event they shall all long remember!

    --
    Quack, quack.
    1. Re:If you by FrozenGeek · · Score: 1

      Well, they will "long" remember me. Their recollection of you will be rather "short".

      --
      linquendum tondere
  27. Will you share a copy of the presentation? by MattCC · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It would save some of us the trouble of putting similar material together if you could post the presentation somewhere.

    1. Re:Will you share a copy of the presentation? by RJFerret · · Score: 1

      Yes, and your attendees could refer to it later, I would suggest a popular sight for distributing various media to as large an audience as possible that they frequent daily... ...Oh wait.

  28. Are users the customer or the product? by thzinc · · Score: 1

    One thing that a lot of people don't think about when discussing privacy, especially in social networking, is the topic of who the customer truly is. With free services online, the true customer is almost always the advertisers, and the product being sold is usually user information. http://www.weourfamily.com/blog/who_is_the_customer.jsp

  29. What's the change in policy ? by rta · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What's the actual change in policy that's the main target of your talk ? If you're just going to tell them that "you can't hit Facebook from work anymore" or "If you ever blog about the company we'll fire you" then you will have lost your audience already. Anything else you tell them may even be counter productive because it will be associated with the main negative message you just delivered.

    In fact, along the same lines, if someone else decided this policy change (which i'm assuming is not "employee friendly") it may not be in your best interest to do the announcement. If it was a committee decision, then yes you should do it even if you don't agree with it. If it's the lawyers or the CEO or VP etc. cramming it down your throat, then consider, respectfully, asking him, her or them to do the announcement.

    As to something you might say / do: consider suggesting that they get a nettop to use for personal business (if you allow such things on your network) and/or perhaps set-up or a secondary "guest" network that they might use for this purpose. Beyond that, the usual, use non-IE browser.... make sure you run some sort of virus scanner at home, run Spybot S&D every once in a while... don't ignore https warnings... The ATM thing may be a bit outside the scope of the talk.

     

  30. Get Security/Legal/HR buy in by omkhar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Are you part of the security team? If not, perhaps this is more the domain of your security guys than yourself. I'd also get the buy in of HR. As with most policy changes (especially ones with a reprimand) you gotta make sure HR is on side. Legal for good measure too - ie are you asking something which is illegal of the employee? I know its a stretch, but CYA.

  31. Will you tell them the truth? by billybob_jcv · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Will you tell them that although no one in IT has the time to monitor email, if an employee pisses off someone in management or HR enough that they become the target of an "investigation", then every stupid little email where an f-bomb was dropped between friends or the hot chicks ta-tas are discussed will suddenly be used as "evidence" of violation of corporate policy and they will be terminated?

    Not that it's happened to me - I'm just sayin'...

    1. Re:Will you tell them the truth? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And now you know why https://mail.google.com is your best friend. Don't want your employer reading what you write, don't send it through corporate mail, and encrypt it when you do.

  32. Wear a Rubber? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    see subject

  33. Promise Them A Rose Garden by runslothrun · · Score: 1

    This is an excellent time - since I have your captive attention - to point out that you were asked to present on a specific topic. What you are proposing is that you will provide a rose garden when all you were asked to deliver was a shrubbery. Don't make the mistake of thinking that these others topics, no matter how tertiarily related, will endear you to your audience of your manager. That said, I would find ways of incorporating some of them in the "effect of..." being a victim of social networking scams, schemes, malware, etc., etc.. Much better than dropping more info in their laps at the end and they probably won't be able to put two and two together and see how they are related. By the way, once you learn to deliver what has been asked for not only your manager but you will be much happier. Find other ways to get what you want. It's a skill; so learn it. See what I did and didn't do there?

  34. And another thing by Gonoff · · Score: 1

    I always tell our new starters not to share or write down passwords. Of course some of them will - generally the higher paid ones. At least this way we have tried and they can't claim that they didn't know because nobody ever reads the policy documents!

    --
    I'll see your Constitution and raise you a Queen.
    1. Re:And another thing by godel_56 · · Score: 1

      I always tell our new starters not to share or write down passwords. Of course some of them will - generally the higher paid ones.

      Schneier recommends that you do write down passwords ... but recommends that you keep them in your wallet, not on a Post-it Note stuck on the front of your monitor. He also recommends that you disguise them by mixing them with other numbers and passwords.

  35. Free Security Awareness Content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is some free security awareness content available at http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9685199 that includes a complete presentation you could use.

  36. A worrying trend? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm curious to know more:
    Are your employers interested in changing/developing a policy for use of social network sites whilst at work, or are they interested in developing a policy regarding use of social network sites to discuss any matters related to the company?

    I find it a terribly disappointing trend that companies are leaning more towards controlling their employees both inside and outside of the workplace.If it's the latter surely it amounts to censorship and is very disturbing.

    I would hope that your company is an excellent place to work and are confident enough to allow their employees to sound off about any practices. I would hope that there are enough effective avenues within the company to allow employees to be able to point out issues and to have them resolved such that if an employee does sound off on a social network then others will be able to point out in public that the individual is wrong.

    I would hope that your company and all companies realise that their best assett and advertisement is the employees that work there. If they are happy people will want to work there or buy their products.

    If not then surely the company is (a) cutting its own throat (b) deserves the public ridicule.

  37. Advice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I gave a similar presentation to a smaller group. My advice would be to do a live demonstration on the actual information that one can get from a social networking site. For example, I pulled someones information from the social networking site, googled them using stuff I learned about them from facebook, found their email address, home address, and phone number. Using this information I was able to find out friends and family members of theirs, including photos etc. I also found their myspace page and looked up other social networking, dating, etc. sites. Off of other social networking sites, I started to build a profile in my talk about what type of person this was and also talked about additional things I might be able to gather, if I had malicious intent.

    I used this talk as a means to introduce other security related issues such as email encryption, etc. I did not go into any details of those things, but I did introduce them and asked if they would be interested in learning a little more about those topics. People overwhelmingly asked me to do another series of small presentations on additional security topics, as many were shocked at how much information I was able to gather.

    Don't put too much on your plate as it will be difficult to focus on your main task and it might not go over too well. Security is a huge issue and every topic cannot be done justice in one presentation. However, if you do your main presentation right, you can get people interested in how it really impacts them.

    I hope this helps out a little. Good luck!

    1. Re:Advice by sootman · · Score: 1

      I gave a similar presentation to a smaller group. My advice would be to do a live demonstration on the actual information that one can get from a social networking site. For example, I pulled someones information from the social networking site, googled them using stuff I learned about them from facebook, found their email address, home address, and phone number. Using this information I was able to find out friends and family members of theirs, including photos etc. I also found their myspace page and looked up other social networking, dating, etc. sites.
       
      ... and then watch productivity plummet as everyone goes back to their desk after the session and does the same thing for the rest of the day. :-)

      --
      Dear Slashdot: next time you want to mess with the site, add a rich-text editor for comments.
    2. Re:Advice by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

      That's like that show It Takes A Thief on Discovery Channel. Some people are positively shocked to see how easy it is for someone to break into their homes and clear out most of the valuable stuff in under 10 minutes.

    3. Re:Advice by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      Absolutely brilliant! Too bad you posted anonymous, you deserve the kudos. This is the perfect approach to take... people simply won't take a talk like this seriously unless you give them a good reason to.

  38. None And Then Some by DynaSoar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "If you had the attention of an entire company...."

    I'd tell them I have put together a collection of security/privacy related issues that may or may not relate to things at work but definitely relate to their personal life computer use. But rather than take up more of more of their time by covering it here and now, I'm going to offer to send it to anyone who wants it. They can request a copy by emailing me at username at domain dot top. Thank you, and have a nice period of planetary rotation.

    The bosses will be impressed with the extra work you did and with the fact you let them all get back to work as soon as possible. Everybody will be happy you let them go rather than keep them in the meeting longer. That will improve the probabilities that they'll (1) ask for the supplement and (2) use it, plus (3) remember and use the stuff the company wanted put together. That'll get you a reputation as the IT guy that's tech smart as well as management smart, something that could go a long way towards improving your 'situation'. At least it could go this way, and knowing that before the fact you could use it to your advantage. For instance: convert the supplementary material to a slide show presentation; tell the bosses now that you have put together and are going to offer the extra material, but only as a freebie sent out upon request rather than take up more of the company's valuable time; and just generally present yourself as confident in your technical and managerial skills, both of which you apply for the good of the company, etc., etc.

    In other words, don't just give it, use it.

    --
    "I may be synthetic, but I'm not stupid." -- Bishop 341-B
    1. Re:None And Then Some by petes_PoV · · Score: 1

      put together a collection of security/privacy related issues that may or may not relate to things at work but definitely relate to their personal life

      ...

      The bosses will be impressed with the extra work you did

      And the company lawyer will have a fit that you are representing the company and giving employees personal advice, which the company then (by implication, as it was their representative who distributed it) are subsequently liable for.

      That'll get you a reputation as the IT guy that's tech smart

      ... and (provided you aren't stopped in mid-session and frog-marched directly out onto the street, your reputation means that every person in the company will now regard you as their own personal IT resource who is ready, willing and able to fix all their IT related problems (and probably do their job for them too). Even worse, you'll become the excuse they have when things break ("well, that IT guy told me to do that ..." ) or when they can't get hold of you - and haven't gone through the help-desk . fault reporting process

      While this advice is meant to be helpful, for you personally (apart from the huge ego trip, if you're into that sort of thing), it's probably the fastest single way to sabotage your own career, short of sleeping with the bosses' dog.

      --
      politicians are like babies' nappies: they should both be changed regularly and for the same reasons
  39. USE ccleaner by NSN+A392-99-964-5927 · · Score: 1

    ccleaner is pretty 31337 for clearing up. Oh and do not forget the option to wipe free space.

    --
    All cows eat grass!
  40. Scare them a little by davidshewitt · · Score: 1

    People tend not to listen to things that they're not interested in, so you need to make them interested. Come up with a real world example of how a normal person (like them) fell into one of the many traps on the internet (malware, phishing, you name it), got their info stolen, and wound up with a nightmare on their hands. You don't want to make it too intimidating, but give them a sense that it *CAN* happen to them. That way, they'll be interested in what you have to say, for their own good, as well as that of the company.

  41. KISS by Lost+Race · · Score: 1

    Since these topics don't directly relate to the subject I've been asked to address, I've ended up with a section titled 'While I have you...' I'm going to have the mandatory attention of every employee and I thought it would be a great opportunity to give advice on [whatever]. As it's an opportunity that one seldom gets, I certainly want to utilize it fullly.

    Resist the temptation. It's always a bad idea. That's why you seldom get the opportunity.

  42. Malicious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Put a lot of stuff from failblog on there. It keeps the attention of the idiots.

  43. Do not do that. Stay on topic. by tlambert · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Do not do that. Stay on topic.

    You are supposed to cover a topic. Cover it. If you have a hobby horse to ride, you should give a good presentation on what you've been asked to present on, and nothing else. If the issues you want to ride come up in Q/A, you can address them very briefly, but stay on topic.

    If you ever want to get asked to talk in depth about your hobby horse(s), you will do a good job on the topic you have been told to present on, and not look like some schmuck who can't keep on point in presentations by having the thing wander all over the map.

    Also, anything you add at the end will tend to push the information you were intended to communicate out of their heads entirely, and trivialize it for your audience, so you should think twice about that. If your management is there (you said everyone would be), it will do the same for them, and they aren't going to think you've covered what they told you to at all well, and that your whole talk wandered, even if it only wandered at the end.

    -- Terry

  44. Have a wonderful social life by cellurl · · Score: 1

    I have given this some thought. I would tell your employees to have a wonderful social life. Engage in Twitter, TPB, politics. Normal slander rules apply such as in Germany, England or wherever you are located.
    HR should be don't ask, don't tell policy. If they do porn at night and end up on CNN, that could happen to anyone, its not a companies business other than normal company-image / chance-for-promotion type stuff.
    The internet is just a bigger megaphone, not a new type of megaphone...

  45. Do not move data if you do not have to by teh+moges · · Score: 1

    One thing about security is that people always take shortcuts, and one of the main outcomes of this is that data gets lost when it should never have been copied in the first place. A key example of this is when consultants take a copy of a database so that they can create a program to access the data. They don't need the data, they just need the schema. Get this into people's heads (think 'least necessary information' rather then 'easiest command') and it wouldn't matter how poorly your consultant handles your data, because they can't lose any of it.

  46. Why would you call a meeting for that. by Chuck+Chunder · · Score: 1

    Sounds like they are going for a more nuanced approach (and should be applauded for doing so). If they were going to cut it off a simple email would be explanation enough.

    --
    Boffoonery - downloadable Comedy Benefit for Bletchley Park
  47. Brilliant. by attemptedgoalie · · Score: 1

    I used to work for a Fortune 10 company. They did surveys to see where we could improve internally. When the results were released, management would create (or pay to have made) an 8 hour training session. At the end, they would explain what happened. We complained, and were punished. They would report the training was a success and that if we complained again next year, we'd take the *same* course. Another 8 hours of mandatory non-work.

    They would solicit for people to help drive the training sessions because they "had to be at an off site meeting", no doubt a golf course or Hooters or something.

    Management got off free, and got bonuses for having the training handled, the employees were beaten into not complaining again.

    --
    My mom says I'm cool.
    1. Re:Brilliant. by syousef · · Score: 1

      At the end, they would explain what happened. We complained, and were punished. They would report the training was a success and that if we complained again next year, we'd take the *same* course. Another 8 hours of mandatory non-work.

      If you're going to have your time wasted, why care that it's the same 8 hour training session. In fact since you're getting nothing from it the consistency means you can slack off and still answer questions about the training. I'd say complain away.

      --
      These posts express my own personal views, not those of my employer
  48. Stick to the subject by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Focus on your assignment. The Security department can use the other material for newsletters.

  49. While I have you? by Korbeau · · Score: 1

    You'll ... never ... have ... me!
    (a la Lost Highway when the blonde version of Patricia Arquette enters the mysterious man's shack after it imploded back to a standing structure)

  50. Ruby On Rails spreads viruses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Many free websites, including social networking websites, use Ruby On Rails as a backend, which has been shown to facilitate the spread of viruses.

    According to Symantec, there has been skyrocketing rates of virus infections ever since websites like MySpace became popular.

  51. Passwords by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 1
    Tell them to make sure they use a different password for every different system they access.

    Other than that? Well, tell lots of good stories.

    --
    http://www.geoffreylandis.com
    1. Re:passwords by adaviel · · Score: 1

      Of course, it's not just root that gets bruteforced. Quietly search this for your "unguessable" password. Anyone using "3tm31ns1de" ? http://andrew.triumf.ca/ssh_pass_file2.html

  52. Don't Give Advice by mpapet · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If it's not *specific* company policy, then don't say a word.

    1. Because no good deed goes unpunished.
    2. Humans are incredibly stubborn. Informing them of risks with almost no career consequences AND they'll probably do anyway will be mostly wasted breath.
    3. Sharing remotely related information is not the purpose of the meeting. I have an idea, have the meeting finish on time or early. Incredible, right? It's amazing what happens when people respect the boundaries established by the meeting time.

    I would take the advice and put it on paper, (no corporate letterhead) and call it 'helpful information.' End the meeting by announcing it as a 'bonus gift!' Interested people will take one. Publish a PDF for the international people.

    --
    http://www.maxineudall.com/2010/02/should-economists-be-sued-for-malpractice.html
  53. Briefly... by hyades1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Put nothing on-line you wouldn't yell on a street corner.

    --
    I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
  54. Pivacy 101 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Never write anything on any media. Ever.

  55. the real threats by planckscale · · Score: 1
    Tell all your web admins to focus on the real security threat - locking down and upgrading servers exposed to the internet. All this hoopla about social networking is great and all, but seriously the threat that will most likely take down your company or network is your exposed equipment and servers. Quit slamming the users with "Don't do this don't do that" crap, policies and spend your time and money on the real threats. Users will do what they can do. If you don't want them to visit Facebook, filter it. If you don't want them to use online storage or logmein, filter it. If you don't want them to use usb keys, lock down the hardware. But all the time you are spending on those tasks, the script kiddies will be trying to exploit your hosted services with the latest and greatest vulnerability.

    Keep it short and simple, something like "You are going to get denied. If you find you are able to circumvent our security or see a problem with our security, let us know, otherwise, we'll eventually find out what's going on and you'll be held responsible."

    --
    Namaste
  56. Don't forget "porn name" meme... by schon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yes, I'm serious.. you forgot the biggest one.. the whole "porn name" meme.

    You know these ones - they're very popular on social sites.. they ask you to post your mother's maiden name with the street you lived on, or your favourite pet with your first crush's last name, etc..

    Think about the "lost password" questions most websites use... what do they ask?

    1. Re:Don't forget "porn name" meme... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, but who actually puts their real info in the 'lost password' questions??? You should always mix it up:

      Mother's maiden name? Fido
      Pets name? Sometown, USA
      place of birth? Smith

      etc.

  57. Social Networks & Social Engineering by sitarlo · · Score: 1

    Social networks are dangerous to secure organizations because they facilitate the very old and effective practice of social engineering. For example, one could use social networking sites to identify a person who works for a target organization, and then case or befriend that person to manipulate them, steal their identity, access rights, or even their entire computer. The most effective security is when people can't ascertain your employee's professional and personal associations. A skilled social engineer can do significant damage with basic information found on twitter, facebook, etc. Also, in my experience, low-tech threats like physical access, dumpster diving, bugging, and social engineering are far more effective and damaging than purely software and network-related security problems. Imagine how much trouble a disgruntled employee could cause with a bug in the boardroom.

  58. Golden Rule of the Internet by gubers33 · · Score: 1

    Don't post anything on the internet anywhere on the internet if you think it is a risk to you or if you don't want anyone to see it.

    --
    Just because you are wrong and I called you out on it doesn't mean I am a Troll.
  59. Presentation Tip by Lord+Byron+II · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Most people will remember only the first 2-3 minutes and the last 2-3 minutes. The 35 minutes in the middle will become a muddled blur. So make sure you put your most important tips at either end.

    1. Re:Presentation Tip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most people will remember only the first 2-3 minutes and the last 2-3 minutes. The 35 minutes in the middle will become a muddled blur. So make sure you put your most important tips at either end.

      Or, better yet, instead of one 40 minute presentation, give 80 5-minute ones!

    2. Re:Presentation Tip by petes_PoV · · Score: 1
      Sadly, that doesn't work either. When there's more than one presentation it's the first few minutes of the first one and the last few minutes of the last one. Presuming of course that yours isn't the first one of the day - in which case half the people will be late and everyone will be spending their time settling in, or in the session after lunch, which *everyone* will sleep through. Or for that matter the last one of the day as everyone will just be focussed on getting home.

      The only time presentations work is in a "golden" period between about 10 a.m. and 11:30 a.m That's when they'll remember the first and last few minutes and nothing in between. And when I say "remember" I mean for the remainder of that particular day.

      --
      politicians are like babies' nappies: they should both be changed regularly and for the same reasons
  60. Re:Mandatory Cookies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Come to the dark side -- we have chocolate chip.

  61. Bunkers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Build a bunker, surround it with honeypots, behind a firewall, in a demilitarized zone, using duct tape to keep it all together.

  62. Be Skeptical. by Vellmont · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There's two kinds of people in the world: Carnies and Rubes. Carnies are the people that are skeptical and always looking for the angle. The rubes are the people who see everything at face value.

    Privacy and security really aren't a lot more than trying to not be a rube. The carnies try to trick the rubes into giving away information, or taking over their computer by installing some piece of software. We all know about the "virus scanner" sites that pop up now and again. Tricker are the "open the file in this email and follow instructions" email.

    Sadly, people aren't trained much beyond the level of "don't click on the wrong link!!" form of security. You're never going to be able to tell people all the latest scams, since there's a new one every day. The best you can do is try to get them to look for the angle. People will respond to this because they can relate to it (a friend of mine calls it "the down home cynicism".

    --
    AccountKiller
    1. Re:Be Skeptical. by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      Also, carnies have small hands and smell like cabbage.

  63. BCC by gd2shoe · · Score: 2, Informative

    Learn what BCC is in e-mail. Never use multiple TO or CC to anyone outside the company, as it can expose a great deal of internal e-mail addresses.

    I can't count the number of people in or out of work that I've told to use BCC. They just don't get the concept. even after explaining it. If you have more than, let's say, about 5 address on an email, they really should all go in the BCC field. (Many emails with more than 2 should BCC as well. Depends on context.) If you put more than one address in the "To" field, you should stop and consider for a brief moment.

    Sorry. End rant. (preaching... choir... yup...)

    --
    I won't join Slashcott. OTOH, If Beta goes live, I just won't be back until it's fixed. Sorry Dice.
    1. Re:BCC by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      Use of CC is only for when you want your recipient to know that others have received the same information; A scheduled meeting, a memo, a complaint regarding employee conduct to their management etc.

      That kind of thing isn't sent outside of the organisation anyway.

      --
      Finally had enough. Come see us over at https://soylentnews.org/
  64. The average user is dumb, but doesn't want to be by tetsukaze · · Score: 1

    I like the idea of a general education on security. I'm not sure what the motivation was for your corporate overlords, but educating users for their own sake is more likely to get them to be compliant at the workplace. Showing them how easy it is to get bugs from social networking sites and how to avoid them is a great idea. It lets them know how to develop good habits at home and thus they are better behaved at work, making your life easier.

  65. The new social networking policy... by The+Bastard · · Score: 1

    prohibits asking advice about social networks, security and privacy on slashdot.

  66. RFC 2504 by zentechno · · Score: 2, Informative

    An all-too-quick 40 minutes? At a user/usage level? There's a LOT to choose from, but as a great start, try RFC2504. http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2504.txt?number=2504 Pick and choose as appropriate to your needs. We tried to make it very useful as a reference for the generic user. You can even hand out copies if you like. For a bit more detail, and as a good read in case you get asked some lower-level questions, try RFC 2196, more specifically targeted for IT folks, and "Middle Managers" who have to at least be exposed to the concepts. http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2196.txt?number=2196 Cheers, Steve PS(don't let the fact that these are TEN years old fool you, most of these concerns are still quite current, most companies (read: those of popular OSes) don't exactly *want* people to understand the why's because they start to question the why-not (yet)s. If you found any of this useful, or not, just reply here, Most if not all those email addresses are defunct at this point -- we've moved onto and into other things).

    --
    âoeThe wall between art and engineering exists only in our minds.â -- Theo Jansen
  67. The Most Important Security Information Possible: by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 1

    "Use Condoms....seriously."

  68. Don't be a tool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "My employer is changing its policy towards employee use of social networks."

    Spreading company fears of social networking makes you a tool and passing it off as "security awareness" is a joke. Social engineering is a real security threat. Social networking is not.

    And stick to the topic! If you can present the company material in 30 min be a hero and give your coworkers their 10 minutes back. Wasting 10 minutes on another topic will make your coworkers resent you and the company wonder why you didn't use the full time to discuss the topic they are paying everyone to hear and paying you to present. It is a no-win scenario.

  69. Railing on Rails? by gd2shoe · · Score: 1

    Many free websites, including social networking websites, use Ruby On Rails as a backend, which has been shown to facilitate the spread of viruses.

    Link please. (not that I use Ruby)

    If true, people deserve to know. If you're just spouting off libel (as AC), stop now. There is no true anonymity online. You'll run out of it sooner or later.

    In other words: put up, or shut up.

    According to Symantec, there has been skyrocketing rates of virus infections ever since websites like MySpace became popular.

    This I'll believe (due to cross site scripting, etc). Many sites are guilty of such, but was this meant as a non-sequitur attack on Rails? (It sounds like it... despicable.)

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    I won't join Slashcott. OTOH, If Beta goes live, I just won't be back until it's fixed. Sorry Dice.
  70. Ever heard of "working from home"? by FranTaylor · · Score: 1

    "are the employees of your company using social network at work?, if so, why on earth don't you block the access to this sites?"

    You can't block access to these sites for employees that work out of the office.

    If the wifi signal from the coffeehouse next door is leaking through your walls, you can't even block access to employees in the office, unless you firewall inside every box, lock down every box, and forbid employees from using their own gear on the premises. Good luck with that.

    Unless mind-control techniques have improved significantly. there is no firewall that will prevent people from carrying information out of the building inside their own heads, to be later uploaded using equipment totally beyond your control.

  71. Facebook is more potent than heroine by UBfusion · · Score: 1

    I'm afraid you are describing an ideal world.

    I'm a TA at a University and I think all teachers and trainers worldwide would drool at the possibility of entering their class just to tell them: "Hi, I have prepared a presentation of today's lesson, anyone interested ask me for it by email, now go play soccer!".

    If security is really critical to your situation you have to a) evaluate whether they grasped the concepts b) establish a punishment mechanism for the 'bad' employees c) establish a rewarding mechanism for the 'good' employees. I know this looks like fascism or military training, but if your company wants to survive, it will have to take such drastic measures.

    If your company just wants to scare them, even a a 'three strike' policy is not enough - Facebook is more potent than heroine.

    Humanity has always spent decades teaching citizens what is good and what is evil, but still a significant percentage of them will commit a felony or a even crime if the motive is good enough.

  72. The .GOV.UK approach by Aryeh+Goretsky · · Score: 2, Informative

    Hello,

    In the United Kingdom, the Cabinet Office published a short strategy paper on using Twitter. I found it to be quite good, and while it obviously is Twitter-centric, the ideas are applicable to a other social networking sites. The document can be downloaded from http://blogs.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/digitalengagement/post/2009/07/21/Template-Twitter-strategy-for-Government-Departments.aspx .

    Regards,

    Aryeh Goretsky

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  73. University Assignment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm studying IT Security at University and what the author is describing is practically the same as one of the topics you can choose to do for your assignment.... the same assignment which is due in 3 days.

  74. What about your online security? by genik76 · · Score: 1

    When talking about privacy, you should probably be aware that very many people can now connect your IRL identity with your online identity. There aren't that many companies, where somebody's holding a presentation about social networking security. Speaking about social networking, you seem to have a Myspace page..

  75. Your primary challenge is privacy by cheros · · Score: 1

    The main reason people do blatantly stupid things online is because their desire for their privacy has been eroded by both governments (terrorist! look out! be scared! Don't think about us filling our pockets and let economies crash!) and online merchants that mine your data, like Google. On top of that, the consequences have been played down - find a good story of someone who had their identity stolen and their life ruined.

    It is clearly illustrated by the volume of people that think the Swiss are too uptight asking Google to do what it promised or face being taken to court - 10 years ago Google would not find it possible to make it possible to zoom in on someone's window from across the planet without getting shot by Data Protection people (in that context I find it intriguing that all the "other" EU Data Protection people have been silent - are Switzerland and Japan the last places on earth where privacy counts?).

    Oh, note to idiots: before you start talking about "nazi gold" and "tax evaders" I suggest you do some research.

    You could also highlight the Google Terms of Service, clause 11: it more or less states that they can take the pictures of your kids and use them, for free, anywhere, forever, and altered in whatever form they see fit. Think about that one..

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  76. Terrible idea by petes_PoV · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Don't freelance - stick to the topic assigned to you.

    People's time is very, very expensive - just because you've be alloted 40 minutes, doesn't mean you have to use it all up. Say what needs to be said, then stop... Having you rattling on about things you reckon are interesting and that you reckon they don't know about is extremely arrogant. Since it's almost certain that either you, or some other presentation in this "mandatory" session will run over time, why not just finish a few minutes early. THAT ALONE will make people remember your presentation:
    Oh yeah, he was the guy who actually stopped talking when he'd said all that needed to be said. Jeez, I wish some of the others had done that - now I've wasted a whole afternoon listening to stuff I already knew or that doesn't affect me."

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  77. Lessons from a debating session by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I remember a debating session at school. The motion was "This House believes that privacy is a thing of the past", and my team was defending it. During half an hour, the Opposition called us paranoid, technophobic, because thinking that social networking is a threat to your privacy was clearly a dumb opinion.
    Our last speaker came on stage, and simply exposed to the audience delicious details of the Opposition members' life he found on the internet, from childhood dancing class to current living place. Each time the Opposition tried to counter him, he answered casually, talking like he knew them deeply (which he actually did, even if he never met them and only knew their names). It was a hell of a good debate, and we (obviously) won ;-)

    I thought you could use some of this to make your point.

  78. If you are behind 7 proxies. by moxsam · · Score: 1

    The party van won't come to you.

  79. Nothing is totally harmless to everyone by Mathinker · · Score: 1

    Nothing is totally harmless to everyone:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylene_blue#Adverse_reactions

  80. A few simple rules by jandersen · · Score: 1

    The most important thing to hammer into everybody is: "You have to learn how to recognize and avoid security threats; technology only goes so far, but it is often surprisingly easy to spot security threats."

    Other than that, there are a few rules:

    1. Turn off all HTML and scripting in your email reader; if that is not possible, get one that can.
    2. Use AdBlock Plus and NoScript (for Firefox) or similar.

    It is a tiny bit inconvenient to have to explicitly allow scripting every time, but it has saved me no end of grief. In my workplace I am just about the only one that has never had any malware attack, and I get next to no SPAM either; the company filter captures about 5 per week, and sometimes one or two slip through to my inbox.

  81. Social engineering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Social engineering is the most important security risk you need to inform them about.

  82. A live example by Wizard052 · · Score: 1

    Giving a live example as an introduction, sort of like a case study, will make your presentation more interesting. They should see how they can relate the security / privacy issue to their specific context...even better is to hack something right there and then, before their very eyes! Everyone loves a performance, so, be a performer.

  83. Just point them the right way, man by tfmachad · · Score: 1

    I'd plan my presentation to occupy at most 60% of the time I was given. Ask a couple of friends to attend and give honest feedback on your practice session(s). Your audience's attention span tends to be inversely proportional to its size. In your case, you'll be lucky if they even remember what you were talking about five minutes after you're done.

    Most (even those who requested the presentation) will be expecting a yawning session. Surprise them with something short and compelling. Really, trust your audience to be able to fill in the gaps. Even idiots have moments of clarity. Point them to knowledge, don't try and force feed them it.

  84. "Wear Sunscreen" by lavaboy · · Score: 1

    chances are you are never going to be able to do this again, and in the short term the security threats that your audience will be exposed to will be different, new and completely oblivious to the prophylaxis and methods you describe today.

    So just tell 'em to wear sunscreen, 'cause that's always a good idea...

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  85. Some pointers by MaGGuN · · Score: 1

    Some things worth considering:

    Like others are saying, stick to the topic you were asked to present. I have rarerly heard of any presentation were they gave too little information, most of the time it's the opposite. If your audience leave with a good experience, they learn and are more open to similar presentations later. Too much information and they leave learning little and will likely oppose similar presentations in the future.

    Give real life examples! It's obvously very easy to dig up highly relevant cases and news articles etc. Create a good but short summary of any articles you include. The summary should highlight the issues and consequences that relates to your topic. And be sure to include various ways in which the company was exposed or individuals embarrassed etc. The most basic human instinct is fear, appeal to it by letting them know that one of them can end up loosing their job and/or embarrassed on the front page of the news as a result of their actions online. Putting the audience in the hot seat so to speak. The point is that I think it needs to directly relate to them individually, if consequences only relates to the company, many will forget/ignore.

    Let them know that absolutely anything that get's posted online about them can live online as long as they live and probably longer. As was the case with pictures on Facebook.

    I also think that a good opening to the presenation creates attention. Humour is what many choose, but do whatever feels natural, constrained/forced humour rarely works well.

  86. NIST Guidelines by Brian+Edwards · · Score: 1

    The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), a nonregulatory federal agency in the U.S. Department of Commerce, is putting final touches on a guide designed to help small businesses and organizations implement the fundamentals of an effective information security program. The NIST standards should also prove useful for the remote offices of larger companies, where IT staffs are often small or nonexistent and it's important that employees bear more responsibility for information security. http://csrc.nist.gov/publications/drafts/ir-7621/draft-nistir-7621.pdf

  87. The best is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The best is to have every employee sign an agreement with the company so that emails and social network (+ instant messaging) communications belong to the employees themselves, and the company cannot be held liable for its content or the view expressed in those messages...

    I'm deadly serious, just look at Microsoft or at the USA government claiming to have "lost" or "forgot to archive" emails and they got away with missing evidence in a few trials...

    Way to go Jose!

  88. OUTSOURCE! by siriusdogstar · · Score: 1

    There are folks with far more experience at providing a much more complete set of Security tips tailored to specific audiences than you can possibly come up with in the time you've been alloted to complete this project.

  89. ..and after the mandatory meeting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Point them some place where they can learn other important security items in an entertaining environment! (http://exoticliability.libsyn.com)

  90. Be specific by grikdog · · Score: 1

    Show, don't tell.

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  91. CC v. BCC by gd2shoe · · Score: 1

    (I'm sorry if you already understand BCC. Either you don't, or you didn't understand my post.)

    I didn't mention or discuss CC (the gpp did, barely). BCC is "blind carbon copy". In other words, pass this email on to these people, but don't distribute these email addresses along with the email.

    For example: if you're sending out a newsletter to 2 dozen people, it's terribly impolite to place these in the TO or CC field, as everyone will now have a list of everyone else's email address (and any spam bots on any of those 2 dozen computers will harvest all of them, how rude). If you place all those addresses in the BCC field, then they will only see the senders email address. This is much more polite in most circumstances.

    And for the record, CC can be very useful outside the company (as a preemptive CYOA technique). I have CC'd my boss on emails to clients, and I have CC'd clients on emails regarding 3rd party problems. I use it when I suspect I'm going to be accused of being lazy or incompetent when it's someone else's fault. (usually a customer on both counts; the CC to my boss saves him time and effort in diffusing certain people, since he doesn't need to check with me first.)

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    1. Re:CC v. BCC by Geekbot · · Score: 1

      Of course the real BCC need is in companies that haven't cracked down on internal spam. "Here's a funny joke!", "Here's a picture of a cute kitten that does funny things at work!", "Here's a brighten your Friday email!".

      And of course they get forwarded 10 times around the company, harvesting more names every time until they float out of the intranet to be caught by spammers in a variety of ways.

  92. Good way to put that, I like it (Carnies & Rub by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Per my subject-line above, very well put on your part (I like it).

    APK

    P.S.=> Those would've been my thoughts exactly, so I am in utter agreement Vellmont - well said on your part, & IF I could do "mod points", I'd have modded yours up as + whatever amount, as "insightful" pushing you into the +4 or better range: However, I post as "A/C" here, so, all I can do is post saying I liked the way you think, & good job etc. et al instead... apk