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Nissan Gives Electric Cars Blade Runner Audio Effect

mateuscb writes "A campaign backed by automakers and some lawmakers to make electric or hybrid cars noisier in a bid to increase safety for pedestrians and cyclists has taken a strange, Blade Runner-type twist. Nissan sound engineers have announced that the Leaf electric car set for release next year will emit a 'beautiful and futuristic' noise similar to the sound of flying cars — or 'spinners' — that buzz around 2019 Los Angeles in Ridley Scott's dystopian thriller based on a Philip K. Dick science fiction novel."

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  1. But... by e4g4 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...one of the nice things about electric cars is that they're so quiet. Can you turn the sound off?

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    1. Re:But... by mrmeval · · Score: 4, Funny

      I will change it to a ominous hum.

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    2. Re:But... by rvw · · Score: 5, Funny

      ...one of the nice things about electric cars is that they're so quiet. Can you turn the sound off?

      By then we will not download ringtones anymore, but cartones. Think of the possibilities! Make your Focus sound like a Ferrari, make it swing like Michael Jackson. Living next to the highway will be very entertaining.

    3. Re:But... by thermopile · · Score: 4, Funny
      If it sounds like what I think it's going to sound like, I sure hope you can turn the sound off. This youtube link appears to be what the Spinners sound like. Ick; it's cheesy electro-techno.

      I mean, seriously, a "whooshing" sound would be more credible. A soundtrack is too garish.

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    4. Re:But... by prof187 · · Score: 4, Informative

      According to the article, the sound is supposed to turn off after the car reaches 12 mph because at that point they say the tire noise is enough to let you be able to hear it adequately.

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    5. Re:But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Tie Fighter anyone?

    6. Re:But... by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Your comment ridicules itself.

    7. Re:But... by Jurily · · Score: 4, Funny

      Living next to the highway will be very entertaining.

      Someone at RIAA just had a great idea.

    8. Re:But... by dotgain · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But at TFS says, it's a 'safety feature', I'd imagine you could 'turn it off' about as easily as the airbags or that thing that beeps when you're in reverse, and that's not without messing with wiring.

    9. Re:But... by gringofrijolero · · Score: 3, Funny

      No, This is what The Spinners sound like. However my car will sound like this.

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    10. Re:But... by The+Archon+V2.0 · · Score: 2

      I will change it to a ominous hum.

      And some giggling teenager will change it to a loud burping noise.

    11. Re:But... by nametaken · · Score: 5, Funny

      More like an erection.

    12. Re:But... by paeanblack · · Score: 5, Informative

      But at TFS says, it's a 'safety feature', I'd imagine you could 'turn it off' about as easily as the airbags or that thing that beeps when you're in reverse, and that's not without messing with wiring.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_flag_laws

      These proposals are just as idiotic.

      It's the drivers' responsibility to maintain control of their vehicles and be cognizant of sudden dangers in the street. Any attempts delegate this responsibility onto pedestrians, wildlife, and falling trees are completely retarded.

    13. Re:But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Can't they just make it illegal to operate an electric car between 1 mph and 12 mph?

    14. Re:But... by vigilology · · Score: 5, Funny

      Speaking of whooshes...

    15. Re:But... by Animaether · · Score: 2, Informative

      Forget the RIAA... ASCAP will be charging car owners the performance fee.

      Didn't some ASCAP-alike company try that with ringtones some time ago? Oh wait.. that -was- ASCAP.
      http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/06/22/225207/ASCAP-Wants-To-Be-Paid-When-Your-Phone-Rings

    16. Re:But... by dotgain · · Score: 2, Informative

      I agree completely, and enclosed the term 'safety feature' in quotes primarily to imply my cringing as I typed it.

    17. Re:But... by sukotto · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'll just have it emit whatever's playing on my stereo.
      If I'm not playing anything, well then the choices are endless aren't they?
      Tie fighter? Popcorn popping? Porn sounds? Crying baby? Lightsaber hum? Maniacal laughter?
      Hell, I could have a different sound every day!

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    18. Re:But... by Knuckles · · Score: 2, Informative

      Too late. This is already part of Shai Agassi's plan according to an interview with him that I read somewhere (it's not mentioned in the linked article; I seem to remember the trademark may be "drive sounds".)

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    19. Re:But... by xenophrak · · Score: 3, Informative
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    20. Re:But... by Steve+Franklin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I used to drive a Mazda RX2, which was much quieter than the average car, and it was funny to drive up behind pedestrians walking down the middle of a side street or someone on a bicycle before they realized there was a car behind them. So, why didn't someone have this bright idea then? Could it be because these new quieter cars are electric?

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    21. Re:But... by SteveFoerster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's the drivers' responsibility to maintain control of their vehicles and be cognizant of sudden dangers in the street. Any attempts delegate this responsibility onto pedestrians, wildlife, and falling trees are completely retarded.

      I agree that this is the driver's responsibility, but considering we're talking about stopping people from getting smooshed by cars, is alerting pedestrians as a sort of back up system really that objectionable?

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    22. Re:But... by Craevenwulfe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Try being blind and then guessing when it's safe to cross the road...

    23. Re:But... by ZygnuX · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes because we know a driver never speeds past a red light, ever.

    24. Re:But... by rantingkitten · · Score: 2, Informative

      Wildlife and falling trees don't know what cars are. People do. I don't care that the law says pedestrians have the right of way -- the laws of physics override the laws of man, and physics tells us that a 150 fleshbag is not going to win against a three-ton piece of steel going 40mph. In other words, when your mother taught you don't step out into traffic she was right.

      To me it is absolutely the responsibility of the pedestrian to be aware of cars and not walk out into the street hoping everyone will notice or be able to stop in time. Putting the onus on the driver to be able to hit the anchors and come to a dead stop in twenty feet just because some asshole saunterd out into the road because "the law" says he's allowed is absolutely ridiculous.

      So please, enlighten us as to why you think the pedestrian shouldn't have any responsibility. I say it's the pedestrian's job to do that other thing our mothers taught us: Look both ways before crossing the street, and if cars are coming, don't walk until they're gone. It's not my job as a driver to keep idiots safe.

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    25. Re:But... by selven · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That situation would be likely to kill a seeing person as well.

    26. Re:But... by AvitarX · · Score: 2, Interesting

      More likely because they are main stream and in a growing market.

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    27. Re:But... by Trahloc · · Score: 2, Informative

      Umm no. I don't know about you but I can distinguish the difference between a car slowing down and one gunning it even if I'm blasting music over headphones. How often do you see a pedestrian look straight at you when their about to get the walk signal to make sure your not going to plow right over them, a blind person can't do that.

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    28. Re:But... by demonlapin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Wheels on asphalt are astonishingly quiet. Have a friend try it out on you if you don't believe me - run a car up a small incline, then put it in neutral and turn off the engine. Close your eyes, tell him to go, and open your eyes when you can hear it. Do this a block away from a busy street, for added realism. See how close he is.

    29. Re:But... by arb+phd+slp · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm willing to bet the wheels on pavement are enough of a sound for someone who is constantly using hearing to find out what is going on around them.

      I had the experience of being sneaked up on by a Prius on in a narrow street last year. The ground was very clean (none of the loose salt/sand that is often on the roads in the northeast) and its gas engine must have been off-- that vehicle was absolutely silent. I gained an appreciation for the issue of lack of vehicle noise that day. Perhaps at 60mph tires make a noise, but at the low speeds on streets they aren't always discernible.

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    30. Re:But... by demonlapin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And if they're blind?

    31. Re:But... by MrNaz · · Score: 3, Funny

      I want the Jaws theme music.

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    32. Re:But... by MrNaz · · Score: 2, Funny

      Actually, he's saving oxygen, the oxygen consumed by his lungs during a ride is vastly less than the oxygen consumed by an internal combustion engine over the same distance. It also does not produce carbon monoxide or any of the other toxic gasses that engines do.

      Before you retort that TFA is about electric cars, please tell us all if *you* drive an electric car.

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    33. Re:But... by icebike · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Some noise is needed, because pedestrians are so stupid.

      So instead of taking the opportunity to quiet our cities, which are an absolute noise nightmare, we are going to legislate more noise. Can you imagine a stream of bumper to bumper traffic and the noise that would create?

      Wouldn't it be easier for the blind or deaf to carry s little 360 degree Doppler radar which would squeal or vibrate when something is approaching faster then their gate?

      Wouldn't that make more sense than making city environments more unpleasant for every one else?

      You could fund this with gas/battery tax revenues. You could build it into mp3 players.

      Such a device will work for cyclists as well as pedestrians.

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    34. Re:But... by CheeseTroll · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As someone who used to commute via bike, I say it's pretty freaky having a hybrid come whooshing by, even if it's in a different lane. Almost as bad as a city bus, which has it's engine in the back so you don't hear it until the bus is practically on top of you. A little audible warning would be nice. It doesn't need to sound like a Harley to be effective.

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    35. Re:But... by AngryNick · · Score: 2, Informative

      The first part of the Blade Runner trailer contains the "spinner" whooshing sound without the theme music. Imagining a future with traffic jams of bees make me want to invest in noise canceling technology.

    36. Re:But... by buchner.johannes · · Score: 2, Informative

      Oh great. Ring^W Car-tones you can download, just what we needed. This is going to be annoying ...

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    37. Re:But... by paeanblack · · Score: 4, Informative

      Do pedestrians really always have the right of way in the US?

      There are no national traffic enforcement laws in the US; each individual state sets their own. The national government only provides financial incentives for the states' laws to meet certain criteria.

      Pedestrian right-of-way laws vary considerably across the country and are a dissonant mix of historic inertia and regional practicality. In Boston or New Orleans, jaywalking is common and pedestrians routinely cross streets where and when they choose. The local courts will invariably find the driver at fault. In Washington DC or New York, jaywalking laws are actually enforced. In Salt Lake City or San Diego, jaywalking is extremely rare and drivers are given more leniency in the courts.

      A few things are fairly universal:
      -For the most part, pedestrians have the absolute right-of-way, anytime and anywhere.
      -If you hit somebody near a school, a playground, or a school bus, you will always be at fault, under the assumption that you were driving too fast to stop for a child.
      -If the pedestrian is actually trying to be hit (i.e. suicide attempt/insurance fraud...not just crossing recklessly), the driver is generally not liable.
      -Striking a pedestrian on a limited access highway where they are not allowed will usually result in both parties being held responsible.

      As a foreigner driving in the US, don't make any assumptions about pedestrian rights-of-way until you are familiar with the local laws.

    38. Re:But... by jwdb · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you step out on to the crosswalk distractedly, it's my responsibility as a driver to stop. I've never had a problem doing this. And if I'm so close that I can't stop for the crosswalk, that means I'll be through it before the pedestrian has walked out past the parked cars. It's my duty as a driver to slow down near crosswalks and intersections, in case I need to yield.

      Where I as a driver shouldn't have to be on high alert is in the middle of the road with no crosswalk in sight (excluding school zones, residential streets filled with kids, etc...). Pedestrians have no business jaywalking right in front of cars, even absentmindedly. I can't stop if I'm driving the speed limit and you step out right in front of me where I couldn't have expected you. I assume this was the physics problem gp was referring to.

      So, if you're in the crosswalk, cross with every assurance that I'll make sure I stop in time. If you jaywalk, however, make sure you do it behind me or I'll unavoidably run you over. It's a matter of respecting existing agreements.

    39. Re:But... by Idiomatick · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "hit the anchors and come to a dead stop in twenty feet just because some asshole saunterd out into the road because "the law" says he's allowed is absolutely ridiculous."

      Uhhh if he's not jaywalking and reached the corner first and you are at a distance where it is safe for you to stop then yeah.... You really should stop...
      If you are driving at a speed through an intersection where you are unable to stop if something comes out then you are a danger and will hopefully have your license taken before you kill anyone.

      People crossing at the crosswalk aren't idiots. The right of way is NOT determined by who dies or everyone would be driving tanks and walking anywhere would be completely impossible. Main st in my town is a 60zone with lots of cars, the way you are talking you sound like you'd be happy splitting the city into essentially little islands.

    40. Re:But... by bit01 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As someone who used to commute via bike, I say it's pretty freaky having a hybrid come whooshing by, even if it's in a different lane. Almost as bad as a city bus, which has it's engine in the back so you don't hear it until the bus is practically on top of you. A little audible warning would be nice. It doesn't need to sound like a Harley to be effective.

      May be better for you to start using a rear view mirror. Just like trucks, cars, motorbikes and mopeds. Or a rear view camera if you want to be high tech. Perhaps with an education campaign. It's crazy to deliberately make noise when cities are already too loud as it is. Particularly in traffic jams or late at night. I'm really looking forward to the day when cities have minimal air pollution and minimal sound pollution.

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    41. Re:But... by dylan_- · · Score: 5, Funny

      And if they're blind?

      Then they really shouldn't be driving at all...

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    42. Re:But... by jabithew · · Score: 2, Informative

      In England we have no jaywalking offence, so if someone crosses the road far enough ahead of you for you to stop, then it is your responsibility not to hit them. Most of our town centre roads are capped at 30mph (20mph around schools), so it's basically the driver's problem.

      Pedestrians have priority at pedestrian crossings when the signals are in their favour, zebra crossings at all times, and at road junctions without crossings if you start crossing before the car turns (this is specifically mentioned in the highway code).

      The exception to this is motorways, where pedestrians aren't allowed at all. This is normally obvious to even the most fatally stupid of Englishmen.

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    43. Re:But... by rantingkitten · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Even "legal" roadcrossings, ones that wouldn't be considered jaywalking, are problematic. In Atlanta, and many other cities to which I've been, there are two main types of crosswalks -- the ones at intersections with lights and all, which are generally fine, and the ones that aren't marked by anything more than a white stripe on the pavement.

      THOSE are the ones that suck so much, because people will just blindly wander into the street full of moving cars, but because they're in their precious painted part of the pavement, we're all supposed to immediately come to a dead halt.

      Why?

      Why isn't it 100% the fault of the dumb ped that walks into traffic? Let me repeat that -- regardless of the law, or paint on the pavement, or anything else, crossing the road when cars are coming is walking into traffic. There aren't many dumber things a human can do.

      That doesn't mean that drivers should be looking for people to run down, but I have seen way too many close-calls where soomeone almost gets hit. The pedestrian usually gets furious -- "I'm walkin' here! Right of way!" -- but has absolutely no right to be angry about almost being hit by a car when he chose to walk into a road full of moving cars.

      The proper course of action is to wait until the cars have passed and then go. If a driver hits you, it won't help you that he's liable under the law when you're a smear on the pavement. So take some responsibility, stop assuming the law is a magic shield against physics, and wait for the cars to clear.

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  2. Siren Noise by Karganeth · · Score: 5, Funny

    They should make some kind of noise that sounds significantly different when its coming towards you compared with going away from you, just like how an ambulance or police siren is.

    1. Re:Siren Noise by bheekling · · Score: 3, Informative

      The Doppler Effect should take care of that for you. No matter what kind of sound is made, it's affected by the Doppler Effect.

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    2. Re:Siren Noise by thewils · · Score: 2, Funny

      You cannot be serious about that remark!

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    3. Re:Siren Noise by Ecuador · · Score: 2, Funny

      You are not replying to a youtube post, it was just a joke ;)

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    4. Re:Siren Noise by Boiling_point_ · · Score: 5, Funny

      Wheeeee-Oshhhhhhhhh!

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  3. Put a card in the spokes by StormyWeather · · Score: 4, Funny

    Just put a card in the spokes. Yea, it's nerdy, but so is the car.

    http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/bto/20090918/NISSAN_EV6.jpg

  4. Re:Do electric sheep by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 5, Funny

    Only in your dreams.

    But are they really your dreams?

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  5. Ffffffsssss by thewils · · Score: 4, Funny

    I would want that sound that the USS Enterprise makes as it whizzes through space...

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    1. Re:Ffffffsssss by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I would want that sound that the USS Enterprise makes as it whizzes through space. (emphasis mine)

      Technically... It already does and that appears to be the "problem". :-)

      This issue is ridiculous and assumes that the blind and inattentive notice any sound all the time. My Civic is super quite at slow speeds. Should it also be *required* to be louder?

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    2. Re:Ffffffsssss by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 2, Funny

      Throw in the sound of the TARDIS from Doctor Who and I'll finally have a reason to get a driver's license.

  6. The Jetsons! by ZackSchil · · Score: 4, Funny

    I want my car to sound like the flying cars from The Jetsons. Then I can at least pretend that I got the future I was promised as a child.

  7. Mazda announces their EV warning sound... by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Funny

    In response, Mazda has announced that their cars will play an endless loop of a 6 year old saying "zoom-zoom!"

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  8. Car Ring Tones!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From the article ~ "Some reports suggest that in the future, car owners will download a sound for their car the way many consumers buy ring tones for their cellphones."

    Oh crap, now we have to listen to cars playing crappy tunes on bad speakers all the time. Can't their be a law against this proposed. I think a few dead pedestrians is worth the loss of the noise pollution.

  9. A new revenue opportunity. by jafo · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yay! Pretty soon we'll be able to buy ringtones for our cars! Now kids won't have to go deaf turning their music up loud enough that everyone around can hear it. The Hip-hop ring tones will play on an outside speaker! Hooray.

    Sean

  10. ringtone by andyverbunt · · Score: 2, Funny

    Great...
    What's next? A ringtone for your car?

  11. Re:Do electric sheep by ciaohound · · Score: 4, Funny

    Get your ass to Mars.

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  12. Strange world by oldhack · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Funny world we live in. Car noise became so ubiquitous, we "need" them.

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    1. Re:Strange world by Macrat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't like cars sneaking up on me when I'm on foot. Do you?

      Then stop walking in the middle of the road.

  13. Example of the sound by sebaseba · · Score: 4, Informative

    An example of the sound is apparently this one. Not sure tho', found on an another site.

  14. Deaf people cope by gilesjuk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They actually bother to look, unlike many pedestrians who listen for traffic. Cyclists have to brake sharp or take evasive action to avoid these clowns.

    1. Re:Deaf people cope by Imrik · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Blind people don't have the option of looking.

    2. Re:Deaf people cope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I hear guide dogs can see/hear pretty well.

  15. Re:Interesting job title by Zak3056 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What exactly would these people do on a daily basis?

    I would imagine they're normally responsible for minimizing road noise, engine noise heard inside the cabin, making the stereo sound good in the aurally hostile environment that is an automobile, etc.

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  16. Ringtone cars by nnnneedles · · Score: 5, Funny

    Please not ringtone cars. Please please please. It's ten years into the future and I can't stand it already.

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    1. Re:Ringtone cars by dreamer.redeemer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not so much. I have a really loud stereo because *I* like it, not because I want attention; quite the opposite actually, I get really uncomfortable and stressed out when people focus on me (obviously, given that i'm posting here). A slashdot user with a loud stereo shouldn't be surprising... I like music, math, physics and electronics, and a serious car stereo is an obvious intersection of these sets. As a geek it's pretty exciting to blow a 65 amp fuse, to play with bridged amps, a big capacitor and 1-gauge wire.

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  17. Just what we need - more noise. by Jonathan+A · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But one of the nice things about electric cars is that they're so quiet. Can you turn the sound off?

    If it can't be turned off, then I, for one, won't be buying one. Modern life is noisy enough as it is.

    1. Re:Just what we need - more noise. by FlyByPC · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But one of the nice things about electric cars is that they're so quiet. Can you turn the sound off?

      If it can't be turned off, then I, for one, won't be buying one. Modern life is noisy enough as it is.

      Of *course* it can be turned off. Find the speakers, grab some diagonal cutters...

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    2. Re:Just what we need - more noise. by iris-n · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Probably it'll be illegal to turn it off. The same way it's illegal to drive at night with the lights out.

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  18. Re:It's Not About Safety, It's About Macho by Joce640k · · Score: 5, Funny

    I want mine to make the sound of a Bell HU-1 ...with optional Wagner overlay.

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  19. Re:Interesting job title by miggyb · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now I want the Windows 95 TADA noise when my airbags are deployed. I love for my cars to have a sense of sarcasm.

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  20. Booming car noice market? by miffo.swe · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Will this result in a new market where you can D/L different sounds for your car? Gives rice car a new meaning. Drive downtown late friday night with a honda that sounds like a Murcielago 660 and see people look for the Ghost Car.

    I think i like this idea. I think the most popular sound will be "fart".

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  21. We're more sophisticated now... by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...why a fart noise when you could play the Brown Noise?

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  22. go drive through a walmart parking lot by Savior_on_a_Stick · · Score: 4, Insightful

    At least 75% of the pedestrians don't look *either* way.

    The mouth breathers are of the belief that 8 oz of striping paint will stop 3 tons of Detroit steel.

  23. I'm not sold... by mick88 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    TFA links to the National Federation for the Blind's article about this topic. Here's the most relevant snippet: >> While there are no national data on pedestrian injuries or deaths related to low-noise cars... Ok - guys: get some data! This is just plain ridiculous to pass a law based on a mere assumption that quiet cars might cause a problem. If someone can prove that this is a plague upon the nation - great; pass the law. But otherwise this is a fake problem. I've owned a civic hybrid and a prius. Neither were really noticeably quieter (even when the prius was operating electric only) than your typical accord / camry. Does anyone have any data at all anywhere showing the increased incident rate for quiet cars? I'd love to see it, but I'm pretty sure it's not there.

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  24. Re:It's Not About Safety, It's About Macho by srhill · · Score: 5, Funny

    My friend owns a Prius, and if it's moving at a fairly low speed you won't hear it at all.

    All you hear are the horrifying screams of the pedestrians being mowed down at 3 mph.

  25. @#%&!* Teasers! by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Funny

    They smell like flying cars, they sound like flying cars, they look like flying cars, they probably even taste like flying cars, but they CANNOT give us a . . .damned . . . FLYING . . . CAR !?

  26. Re:It's Not About Safety, It's About Macho by Thing+1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Mine will chant "kill the wabbit, kill the wabbit"

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  27. Re:It's Not About Safety, It's About Macho by nabsltd · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I always assumed there'd be other sources of noise, e.g. the tires - but that thing can be eerily quiet.

    So can any modern, well-built small car from 100 feet away when travelling less than 12 mph.

    Really, the noise is basically useless if you are less than about 40 feet away, as you probably won't be able to avoid the car by noise alone with less than 2 seconds notice. And, from 100 feet away, unless you are gliding in neutral and revving the engine, a car moving 12mph is basically silent.

    Try it sometime...stand with your back to a car that starts 200 feet from you in a normally noisy parking lot, have it move towards you at 10-15mph, and then raise your hand when you identify the car by sound alone. I'll bet you identify a lot of other cars instead of the one heading towards you.

  28. Alternatively by Vahokif · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why not make cars transmit a signal that can be picked up by nearby personal receivers for blind people? It'd eliminate noise pollution and everyone else could just look.

  29. Re:Interesting job title by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 2, Funny

    Presumably their normal work is making cars *quieter*, since that's what normal people want. (At least, making the interiors quieter.) I'm guessing none of them were hired with the job description: "make car noisier."

  30. Ring tones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Oh gawd, I can just hear the 16yr olds with their "Crazy Frog" sounding cars now.....arggh

  31. ASCAP by tepples · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'll just have it emit whatever's playing on my stereo.

    ASCAP or another major performance rights organization would bust a CAP in your AS for that. The music on your stereo probably isn't licensed for an intentional public performance.

  32. Downloadable by PPH · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Like ringtones.

    I mean, if Nissan dosn't catch a clue about this, it'll be hacked anyway.

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  33. Better be blaster fire... by Antarctic+Pirates · · Score: 2, Funny

    If the car itself makes an annoying noise, can anyone image how awful the car alarm is gonna be?

  34. boots're made for by Triv · · Score: 3, Informative

    Your eyes aren't everything - I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm much faster to react to something I hear over something I see.

    I live in a fairly large city in the northeast US. I walk a lot, but not like true urban walking - it's a mile and a half to the train station, and I walk it twice a day outside of light groceries and the like. I grew up walking in NYC and its suburbs, and I've been lucky enough to never actually need a driver's license. My feet do me just fine for most things.

    So believe me when I say that the idea of a truly silent car terrifies me. I look both ways when I cross the street, I don't habitually jaywalk, I follow street signs and stay on the curb until the light changes, but if all that fails or if a driver isn't paying the same kind of attention I am to the road (he has a steel cage around him; I don't) I rely on my ears. I've had my ass saved on more than one occasion by hearing a car swinging around a corner towards me that I couldn't see yet.

    There are a lot of stupid drivers on the road. There are also a lot of careless or over-confident pedestrians. But I can't see this as a bad thing - my eyes might keep me from walking out into the middle of traffic, but my ears are what get me to step back quickly onto the curb because somebody in a car isn't being careful.

  35. Re:But...What about Hit, Backups, and Runs? by herojig · · Score: 4, Funny

    As someone who lives in Nepal, and drives a motorbike in India, the things drivers shed to pedestrians is not wanted. Like the habit of backing up and running you over again if hit, to avoid paying the family of the squashed pedestrian any compensation. Please tell drivers in the Bihar that this is not acceptable, and the practice should be stopped immediately.

    As far as ringtones for my next electric vehicle (my first was a Chinese motorbike), I will install the Tata Truck ringtone , which sounds like any other on the road. It's the one noise that instills fear in all creatures near the highway. Sounding like a cylon raider will do nothing to keep peds safe here.

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  36. I want my car to sound like a car by jonwil · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Electric cars should have the noise of cars.

  37. Cosby by Perf · · Score: 2, Funny

    I want Bill Cosby's gocart sounds.

  38. Do Environmentalists Dream of Electric Cars? by 1337W422102 · · Score: 3, Funny

    "I've... driven things you people wouldn't believe. Set Priuses on fire off the corner of Orion Street. I watched Smart cars sputter in the dark near the Tenhauser Tunnel. All those... models will be lost in time, like... tears in the rain."

  39. When car drivers stop being selfish idiots by fantomas · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Pedestrians must have a sense of responsibility. All road users should do. As a cyclist, I can tell you I am very passionate in my belief that car drivers also should have a sense of responsibility and alas a small minority do not, and drive like idiots (this is also true of cyclists).

    If a person weighing 150lbs* bumps into me, I am happy enough to accept a spoken apology. Drivers of a ton of steel must take much more responsibility for their action as their mistakes KILL. I can tell you that a minority do not. When I lived in London I'd expect one near miss a week (as in possible hospitalisation) cycling to work and back in the city centre. Drivers turning without indicating and forcing me to hit the brakes/jump onto the pavement and possibly endanger pedestrians, drivers opening their car doors into the traffic a couple of metres ahead of me without checking for traffic, parked cars pulling out without checking their mirrors. Nearly been hit by them all.

    You are very right, people should behave responsibly on the road, and those people driving larger vehicles definitely must be extra careful.

    * As an aside my friend, lighten up and love yourself a bit more. "150 fleshbag" - what a terrible expression! Human bodies are fine engineering and beautiful things. Love yourself a little more. Get out and do some walking, cycle, rock climb, enjoy that body! It's what you've got to live in so love it, enjoy it, use it to the limit, don't despite it :-)

  40. The "bladerunner" sound is cool but a bad idea by XNormal · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The sound should be as un-musical and as noiselike as possible. White noise and impulses are much easier to localize. It is almost impossible to identify the direction from which a narrowband signal is coming.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdmPouNLTlU

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  41. Ok, but... the economics are backwards by name_already_taken · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Try being blind and then guessing when it's safe to cross the road...

    I've read the articles where the blind people are freaked out by hybrid cars that they can't hear (when the car pulls away from a stop, for example). We can all understand why we want blind people to know there is a moving vehicle near them.

    The thing is, simple economics dictates that it would make far more sense to equip the blind people with car proximity sensors of some kind, rather than make every car noisy.

    There are far fewer blind people than cars. We can reasonably assume that in the future there will be many more hybrid or electric cars which produce little to no sound at low speeds.

    Imagine the benefit of having areas free from engine noise - why artificially make every car noisy just for the safety of a very small portion of the population who can't see them?

    It'd be easy enough to equip every car with something that produces ultrasonic sound or low power radio waves, and give blind people a device they can wear that will detect the car proximity signal and indicate to the blind person (perhaps by vibration) where nearby cars are.

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    1. Re:Ok, but... the economics are backwards by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The thing is, simple economics dictates that it would make far more sense to equip the blind people with car proximity sensors of some kind, rather than make every car noisy.

      Which just goes to show you that "simple" economics doesn't apply to the real world.

      We have a cheap robust solution for putting noisemakers on cars. We don't have any effective solution for equipping the blind with movement detectors, and solution for giving them some sort of gizmos would be less robust -- those would be subject to being lost, whereas it would be amazingly rare for a noisemaker to fall off a car.

      Adding a noisemaker to cars would also benefit distracted pedestrians and young children, as well as preventing accidents with animals. If it helps prevent Distracted Dave or Little Bobby or Fido from getting run over, or keeps you from plowing into a deer, that's a benefit that woudn't accrue to giving motion detectors to the blind. (Many people already add "deer whistles" to their vehicles, though evidence for their effectiveness is spotty: see here and here. The study at the second link is interesting, but the test group using the whistles was self-selected and probably represented more cautious drivers.)

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