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Apple Behind Intel's USB Competitor?
We recently discussed Light Peak, Intel's upcoming, optical interconnect technology that boasts data transfer rates of up to 10 Gbps. While some have speculated that Light Peak will directly compete with USB 3.0, Engadget has now unearthed information that indicates the idea for the technology originated from Apple, who apparently asked Intel to develop it.
"According to documents we've seen and conversations we've had, Apple had reached out to Intel as early as 2007 with plans for an interoperable standard which could handle massive amounts of data and 'replace the multitudinous connector types with a single connector (FireWire, USB, Display interface).' ... Based on what we've learned, Apple will introduce the new standard for its systems around Fall 2010 in a line of Macs destined for back-to-school shoppers — a follow-up to the 'Spotlight turns to notebooks' event, perhaps. Following the initial launch, there are plans to roll out a low-power variation in 2011, which could lead to more widespread adoption in handhelds and cellphones. The plans from October 2007 show a roadmap that includes Light Peak being introduced to the iPhone / iPod platform to serve as a gateway for multimedia and networking outputs."
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Will the component be shiny and white also?
Put it on iPods and it becomes ubiquitous almost immediately. They could charge extra for a usb cable or dock.
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So you're saying Apple is behind this new technology coming from intel at their behest but it's all part of a scheme to devise a new technology that will get intel to compete with... intel?
Man, you must REALLY think Steve Jobs is clever! Imagine, getting intel to go into competition with itself!
USB now a days is often used to charge devices too, which is not possible with these optical interfaces. Because of this, I don't think this will have much future for portable devices, so nice try, but I'm not buying it.
Then they were going to take a tour and see how well they succeeded.
Given people wrap normal metal cables up too tight and break them I suspect glass ones will last a fraction of the time.
Fibre is great, but it's use is probably intended for high end interconnects in pro video and audio kit.
"replace the multitudinous connector types with a single connector" = multitudinous connector types + 1;
Ignore the idiotic crap from Engadget about it being demoed on a Hackintosh. When two companies that are well known to be working together on new technologies, well, work together on new technologies, then it shouldn't come as a surprise that they're working together on new technologies. Instead, Engadget turns it into "OMG, they're breaking their EULA!!1!" I think that alone says a whole lot about the mindset of the Engadget writers and editors.
Maybe, like FireWire, it'll deliver better on its claimed speed, and 10 Gbps will actually be 10 Gbps.
Optical is great, but it can't deliver power, so I don't see this being used for peripherals (that'll be the role, I'm sure, of USB 3.0). Also, a 10Gb optical link seems a bit excessive to begin with for devices like keyboards and the like, so I couldn't imagine this standard even being used to replace the internal USB buses that are used in most laptops today.
What does that leave? As the article mentions, multimedia in/out and networking, presumably. Can you think of anything else? The obstacle I see with networking is that the world connects with RJ45, so for wired networking you'd still need an adapter.
So, that leaves multimedia. What I really see this being used for is a way to connect audio and video devices in a kind of "multimedia LAN". It seems very much in Apple's interest to develop a standard that would allow you to plug one cable into your device and then access your media from wherever. Consider addressing your desktop monitor and speakers as network devices, as well as your living room TV and speakers in other locations in your home. Baseless speculation? Mostly. But as of now, I'm not sure if there's any way to connect your iPhone to your TV and pump music through your speakers elsewhere, unless of course you're using Apple's wireless access point with a speaker jack, or perhaps the Apple TV.
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Why apple wouldn't choose to use 10 Gigabit Ethernet instead? Is this some sort of NIH and vendor lock in mania from Steve once again? "Consumer adaptation" (cheaply fabricable lasers, home use friendly connectors) might be sort of necessary, but I can't see what's the part that specially mandates reinventing a wheel when the rest of the industry is betting on development of Ethernet to higher and higher speeds, on many kinds of media.
BTW, what I'm really waiting for is replacement of display cables by 10GE/Ethernet framing/IP. I guess I have to wait until component prices drop to range of ten euros per device, but anyway... I really can't understand why there isn't more push to that direction. If Apple expects to install something that can't be so different from 10GE on devices in couple years...
Ehm... Am I the only one who is _completely satisfied_ with USB 2.0 performance? What is there to improve? What kinds of devices are gonna use it?
Better question - why do I have to buy a $40 HDMI cable to connect my HDTV when a $1 Ethernet patch cable would do just fine?
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It would be perfect to have a small simple and single connection between a laptop, enhanced iPhone/iPod, or *cough* tablet *cough* and an external display (power would be the only other connection needed, unless the proposed connector contains power pins). The display would contain ports for hardwire networks, USB, firewire, speakers, "web" camera, microphone, eSATA, etc. (much like Apple's and others current display products).
This would be Apple's answer to docking stations that often have rather large fixed connector(s) in slots on the bottom side of a laptop. Having a USB like connector gives you more use case coverage then the docking connector solutions currently and could be used by many more form factors other then just laptops.
I am fairly sure this is Apple's main goal with a secondary goal being the following...
As time passed USB, firewire, etc. - assuming adoption - could be replaced by this technology so you would get displays/hubs for this technology... all working with a single connector/cable type (likely will need mini variants). Storage devices, video cameras, video devices, audio devices, and sync targets like MP3 players, etc. would be perfect candidates to switch to this (assuming power and cost budgets make sense).
By using an optical connector you can get longer distances and higher-data rates. Also many more options to improve throughput, etc. as optical transceiver/coding technologies improve without having to create new connector types.
If the communication technology used inherits and expands on FireWire... a single connector could mux several independent streams of data, including timing sensitive streams with low CPU overhead (later obviously would be needed at the data rates being talked about).
... such as the long settling time when a new device is plugged in, and the loss of continuity when a device is unplugged and quickly plugged back in. Another pet issue is that there should be a means to address a device specifically by which port it is plugged into, as well as by the device's unique ID regardless of which port it is plugged in to.
BTW, they could have included a USB path via the DVI/HDMI cable connection, so USB devices could be plugged directly into the monitor. I do worry that even Light Peak's high bandwidth can be dragged down over the display monitor path, slowing access to devices plugged in that way. We'll see, as those devices get faster and faster, and monitors get larger and larger.
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Because you are being scammed, $10 is more realistic.
Gee, Intel, thanks for the complete lack of information on your page. Licencing costs? Connector shape? Power? Protocol overhead?
Though I'll admit, the cheap laser effect and helpful conversion from x bits transfered per second to height of x stacked dollar bills in miles does add a lot of class.
Could we wait with announcing new protocols until there's actual technical information on them to be had?
... cable system, too. It would be passively translated, using exactly the same bit level protocols, etc. It would be slower in most cases, of course. This would be so that metallic connection needs can be seamlessly integrated into the same bus architecture (which I hope fixes the mess they made of USB).
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Why apple wouldn't choose to use 10 Gigabit Ethernet instead?..
Partly because the first iteration will be 10 Gigabit but the next generation will be 100 Gigabit.
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Can you run a display off 10Gigabyte ethernet? If you had a choice of running video over DVI or ethernet, which would you choose?
1) Maximum power output of ~2 watts, 5 something watts in the 3.0 spec.
Some others would be CPU utilization, which is not a big deal these days but I think it would be important if you started using anything with significantly high throughput, like say a USB SSD?
I heard it was also more difficult to program with compared to serial/parallel ports.
I really hate the power limitation though. It's pathetic compared to firewire.
You don't have to buy a $40 HDMI cable. If the cables you buy are that expensive, then you're just getting fleeced. Do the barest amount of research before you purchase.
Also, the cheap HDMI cables are more expensive than "ethernet patch cables" because of licensing, a more expensive connector, more wires, and more stringent requirements on the quality of materials. The cable costs more than a dollar because it's the equivalent of several CAT-6a cables. It's designed to transmit raw video data at 1920x1080p30. That's roughly 1.4Gbps. The standard even defines faster rates. You'd need 2-3 CAT6a cables to transfer video at that rate and still cover everything else HDMI takes care of.
even better, why did hdmi have 'many wires' when really just 2 opto (even toslink!) cables would have worked.
one for the send and one for the return path. that's it. no ground loops, no cable quality issues, no switch complexity (with parallel wires that have to be *exact length* on the pc board traces).
duh!
I have stopped expecting quality connector and cable standards from computer makers and the industry. sata is a nightmare, sata power is no better than 4pin old style molex drive power, hdmi is a nightmare in its connector and bulk of the cable (it pulls out if you look at it the wrong way).
the last good connector was a db9 style. works, stays put, well keyed, cheap to make and easy to build with. say any of that for any of the modern connector/wire types (you can't).
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an interoperable standard which could handle massive amounts of data and 'replace the multitudinous connector types with a single connector
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that what USB is supposed to be?
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Even with the criticisms (e.g., http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MagSafe), one thing I've been impressed with Apple on (and there aren't that many) is the MagSafe connector. I've had way too many problems with other connectors wearing out and not working, and occasionally, the the yanking unintentionally almost causing havoc problem.
I'd love to see the next generation data connections (with power transfer) be magnetic. To solve the short problem, the power transfer could be inductive, and the optical connection isn't going to short. I'd be happy to have every single damn cable I ever have to use in the future be some variation of MagSafe.
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maybe you might want to shop monoprice ? (direct link to HDMI). $6 for a 3 foot HDMI cable sounds decent to me. They want like $20-30 for a 25 foot cable, which is also decent.
Their CAT6 prices are super cheap too. $9 for like 50 foot of cable.
IEEE1394 or FireWire or iLink had issues with IP if I recall correctly and it was more than just the name it was known by I think. Will this new thing be even more heavily encumbered by patents? I really with manufacturers would grow a pair and stand up against these emerging "standards" in favor of standards that everyone can use. This is especially true of those that utilize encryption and DRM schemes to control how the technologies are implemented. ("Oh sure! You can use our patented technology for free, but you have to sign here, here and here and remember, you can only use it in ways that we tell you. If you use it to exercise 'Fair Use' rights, then we will yank your license and sue you into the ground.")
so Intel is competing with itself? haha, that's interesting. If the Light Peak would really increase the speed and improve other functions, I would like to give it a try when it's introduced to iPhone/iPod platform; however, I would not really consider buying Mac with Light Peak, frankly speaking, I'm not a big fan of Mac.
USB dominates the peripherals market because it allows for cheep peripherals.
Monitor cables are specialised to not require the monitor to do much work.
Ethernet cables allow high transfer rates between expensive devices.
What is the market for this?
Will it require "expensive" tech on both ends or will the PC be able to do the lifting?
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So... What we're trying to imply here is that this is another Firewire: pretty good (arguably better) but inevitably unable to compete with the ubiquitous USB?
I recently purchased a 25' HDMI cable for about $10. It works flawlessly. You can get packs of 3 6' HDMI cables for around $8, if you know where to look and hit a sale (I've seen that price a couple times in the past 2 months).
As soon as the industry settles on Light Peak... Apple will start using the Mini Light Peak connector, which will join the list of other connectors that they minified or adopted:
-Mini DVI
-Micro DVI
-Mini VGA
-Mini Display Port
-Mini Toslink
re: Why apple wouldn't choose to use 10 Gigabit Ethernet instead?
Because, as mentioned in another thread the other day, the reason a lot of devices don't have gigabit or 10gigabit connections is that those interfaces take 6 watts rather than the 1 watt or less for 100mbit or 10mbit. Optical is a good choice for the faster speeds because it will require less power than a high-bandwidth copper connection.
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I wonder just why USB3 cannot be used as that one-connector-to-rule-them-all stuff. In fact, anybody knows why monitors aren't offering the USB2 option? It's a bandwidth problem or what? And why is not more widespread the use of USB2 as networking port? Just a matter of speed? USB2 is speedy enough for most networking uses, and USB3 will be faster than most Ethernets. Of course you'd need routers with USB2 connections, but they could start with one or two connections at first and see if people bought it. As I say, perhaps there is perfectly good (read technical) reasons for not having just USB ports in computers nowadays (after all , they *did* remove the mouse connector, so it cannot be a complete conspiracy), but it sounds like one of these standards fights that usually don't end up helping customers.
Anyway, if it's fast, cheap and flexible, welcome. I just hope it doesn't become a second HDMI where you have to pay the cables as if they were solid gold.
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we pay for mini-dp to X and now for all ports also will look bad.
This to e-net
This to usb for mouse and keyboard.
This to DVI, VGA, DP, mini-DP, DVI DL
This to sound out
all on one 1 system?
apple is likely to job you and not give the cables for free $15-$30 a cable.
intel build a hackintosh? what does that mean?
apple is planing to make os x alot more open?
apple is planing to use more intel parts that may end up a said core i3 system that is stuck with intel gma video?
apple is planing a real desktop tower?
intel is braking the EULA?
I have never known why industry standards such as HD-SDI have never made it to the consumer market. Single coax cable terminated with BNCs that can deliver 4k (four times the resolution of 1080p) or higher with 16 channels of audio, all uncompressed, at a length of over 100m.
Well, DVI apparently has a transfer rate of 3.96Gbps and HDMI is 10.2Gbps, so yes, I think 10GigE could handle it.
USB 3.0 fits these requirements plus its backwards compatible, does light peak? Somehow I doubt it.
If light peak offered 20x faster than USB 3.0 then id be all for it, for double the speed...please.
Perhaps Apple could deprecate the new connector on the day it's released so that we can get on with the transition to the next new thing?
Techically the bandwidth would be there.
The tricky bit with replacing video with a general purpose interface would be to sort out signal routing inside the computer. There still needs to be a GPU/framebuffer and that GPU needs a high bandwidth path (we are talking a couple of PCIe 1.x lanes worth per display) from the framebuffer to the general purpose interface.
Not saying this couldn't be done but it would definately require cooperation between the GPU vendor and the vendor of the general purpose interface in question to allow them to communicate over PCIe without involving the CPU.
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The obvious solution is miniature solar cells at the end of the optical fiber
The cable costs more than a dollar because it's the equivalent of several CAT-6a cables. It's designed to transmit raw video data at 1920x1080p30. That's roughly 1.4Gbps. The standard even defines faster rates. You'd need 2-3 CAT6a cables to transfer video at that rate and still cover everything else HDMI takes care of.
When you've spit the hdmi cartel's collective junk out of your mouth for a minute, try reading about
SDI. Nice, cheap run of co-ax, dozens of meters, no problem. No pointless crypto handshaking. HDMI is a fucking scam.
"replace the multitudinous connector types with a single connector" = multitudinous connector types + 1;
This is Apple talking. Since when has Apple bothered with legacy connector support?
LightPeak = Firewire 2
I've never ever ever seen anyone use a firewire port. Amongst my family and friends, the only ones I've seen are one of my old sound card (Audigy) that was always disabled, and on my sister-in-laws mac (which they never had any firewire devices to connect to).
HD-SDI never made it to the consumer market because it is expensive to handle and nobodys TV will decode it.
As for the rest of your comment:
"Single coax cable terminated with BNCs that can deliver 4k (four times the resolution of 1080p) or higher with 16 channels of audio, all uncompressed, at a length of over 100m"
No, what you are referring to is 3Gig, which is actually 2 HD-SDI cables and my experience has been that 300 feet out is sometimes a touchy place to be. 3gig on 1 cable = fiber
I have never known why industry standards such as HD-SDI have never made it to the consumer market. Single coax cable terminated with BNCs that can deliver 4k (four times the resolution of 1080p) or higher with 16 channels of audio, all uncompressed, at a length of over 100m.
Same reason Intel and Apple are touting this instead of just using 10GbE. The margins for consumer market hardware components are razor thing.
He didn't even mention copper.
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And the max resolution on a dual link HD-SDI appears to be 1080p
Partly because the first iteration will be 10 Gigabit but the next generation will be 100 Gigabit.
100GbE is already under development.
Apple does have a beef with the RJ45 jack, in that it is "too big." It was also not designed for repetitive plugging and unplugging.
I just hope Apple will stick with something for more than a single hardware iteration, and make sure no dongles are required.
But, ethernet isn't exactly ideal for many applications. We'll see how this one plays out in the end-- if it can balance low-end and high-end needs to allow for just one connector type.
In the context, of quoting and repeating and adding zero information to the discussion, what you clearly meant to say was "bears repeating". How you got up modded for this is anybody's guess.
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Some of these lessons have been learned, over and over and over. By the time USB was designed, there really was no excuse for making a connector that crappy.
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SDI doesn't do encryption, so it's alot like AES-3. The manufacturers cross-licensing the tech to each other forbid it in consumer gear.
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If this is, indeed, the goal of LightPeak, i *really* hope that they learned a lesson from USB, and make a connector that can be plugged in using tactile feedback, rather than requiring the user guess-and-rotate as is the case today.
The other lesson I hope they learn is to create a controller chipset closer to that of FireWire: one that doesn't suck CPU, and where devices can talk to each other without hitting the hub.
They're talking about starting at 10 Gb/s and going to 100 Gb/s: that kind of throughput can suck a lot of compute, even in this age of multi-cores. And remember that a lot of these connected devices will be portable, where battery (which the CPU draws from) is still limited.
A lot of cheap monitors still use VGA cables and PS/2 is still somewhat common.
I have doubts about PS/2 being common at all. But even if the devices still were, there are PS/2 to USB adaptors...
Just like there are DVI to VGA adaptors too. But both of those would be replaced by this connector type.
There's also ethernet, though that's not in any way new.
Also can be currently done over USB, and this new connector.
In addition, external drives are starting to use eSATA, and don't forget there's about 5 different kinds of USB cables.
The multiple types of cables are something the new standard hopefully would do away with, if the connector is small enough (the fact there are that many USB connector types is a crime against humanity).
eSata would also be replaced by this connector (I use eSata today myself). In fact I could see them keeping some legacy ports around because they are so common (USB being a big one) but the eSata connector could easily go away and be replaced by a Light Peak adaptor (or just have Light Peak external cases which would be potentially faster).
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What exactly makes you think that Apple went nearly bankrupt (they didn't) because they dropped legacy-ports?
I'm pretty sure he doesn't think that at all...
It took me a moment too.
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Wow, I was not aware that connection types had fanboys.
No, I'm not a fan of HDCP. I think it's bullshit and makes the HDMI standard less reliable while taking away options from the consumer. It's despicable and stupid. However, I will say that in terms of cable cost, durability, and expandability, running multiple TMDS lines in twisted pair though an HDMI cable is a very good solution for home theaters. Especially nice are signal-level compatibility with DVI and the ability of devices in an HDMI chain to communicate with one another and automatically choose inputs. Sometimes the product with more features and backward compatibility wins, even if it does have an unfortunate downside.
Could it be we're seeing the end of the regular replacement of interfaces? At least cabling-wise, I can't see us going to need more than optical + power for a long time.
This would be a nice change from the craziness that has infested the industry for too long: e.g. monochrome-CGA-EGA-VGA-Apple DB15-ADC-DVI-HDMI-DisplayPort, FireWire 400-800 and the bazillion flavors of SCSI before that.
If someone manages to manufacture cheap, regular-silicon-process lasers of several wavelengths, adapting Ethernet to that is really pretty trivial. And if they even intend to get the prices of such multigigabit optical interfaces to consumer price level (single-digit dollars or so), they really have succeeded on the task. I really don't see why they would specifically choose *not* to run a more nonpropietary protocol on that media...
Then again, Steve Jobs just loves to get customers in his vendor lock-in, even if it would marginalise the whole technology.
Umm, you can run 10 gig ethernet over normal cat 6 cables up to 55 meters. Also the bandwidth requirement of HDMI 1.3 and HDMI 1.4 (the stuff of the future! not used now!) is 10.2 Gbps, just over what 10 gig ethernet gives you, so it's two wires max, The HDMI stuff you see now only needs 5 Gbps, easily obtainable from a single "cheap ethernet patch cable", so maybe not a cheap $1 cable, but a $2 or $3 cable could do it.
So really, it costs more only because of licensing, the funny connector, and because they can.
People have a hard enough time figuring out what Apple is going to release 2 weeks prior to their events.
Now someone says they know what a Mac is going to look like a full year (or more) ahead of time. Please.
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the last good connector was a db9 style.
Um, there's no such thing. Perhaps you mean the DE9?
what you clearly meant to say was "bears repeating"
Well, yeah. That goes without saying.
Since the cable can be 100 feet (30+ m), I'd put my computer in the basement, put even bigger fans on it and overclock it a bit more. Then I'd run a cable to my living room TV and bedrooms, so that the whole house can simultaneously use a single computer from many different local monitors/keyboards. It's pretty damn elegant and efficient if you ask me. Since you only need one computer for the house, it's worth it to make it awesome: Multiple CPU sockets, multiple GPUs - this is stuff that has entered the mainstream already. I know there has been work done on making use of non-matching GPU's (article). Now if they could design CPUs to also be on their own little daugterboards like graphics cards are, and huge motherboards with a dozen open slots... then we could just keep adding stuff to our system, and only throw out the weakest stuff once our slots are filled. Motherboards "do" less and less each generation, because more and more is being merged onto the CPU die. Once motherboards become little more than chip-connecting wires, this monstrous fantasy will be complete. I know a lego computer like this would be insanely fast but huge and ugly, which is exactly why it must be in the basement. And since it will be in the basement and producing heat, somebody should design it so that it heats my water!
the cost of a 10Gb optical interface (optical transceiver and layer 2 forwarding) is presently that of several macbook pros. Unless mass-manufacturing planar optics makes a huge jump forward in the next days, your next interface in 2010 is going to be electrical.
Apple had to drop FireWire? I don't know if you've looked at an Apple computer recently, but every single Apple computer sold today, with the exception of the entry-level white polycarbonate MacBook has FireWire.
The iPod dock connector is what I believe you're referring to, and while it's proprietary, it's also very well documented for developers and carries a lot more than just plain ol' USB. It has, among other things, pins for FireWire (deprecated on iPods) analogue audio and video and a control channel...
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I don't understand the fixation on making a completely universal plug. It seems good in theory, but what does it actually get us
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What's that? I've always thought USB is Intel's child. Why would Intel create a competitor to its own standard?
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Cat 6 can run 10Gbps, current HDMI uses less bandwidth than what Cat6 is capable of.
replace the multitudinous connector types with a single connector (FireWire, USB, Display interface)
Really, the only replacement Apple/Intel is doing with Light Peak is the FireWire interface, which Apple originally backed, as those other 2 mentioned (USB2, USB3, Display=DVI,HDMI,DisplayPort), will be around for some time. I like what I am seeing with Light Peak, but then again, I also liked what I was seeing when FireWire came out. Hopefully Light Peak will be the USB FireWire never became.
OK. I figured that the latency would be horrible.
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1. Ethernet does not have a small, convenient, robust plug. RJ-45 is humungous for peripherals, LC-like connectors probably dont' last for 10,000+ plug-unplug cycles. Once you have to invent a new kind of plug for peripherals you already have a half-compatible new standard (or extend the old one in ways it wasn't intended to be).
2. Nobody does Power over Ethernet. At least that's the consumer perspective. You need the cable to deliver power in order to make this standard work - plus, Power over Ethernet was designed only for RJ45 and not whatever you'd have to use to make the thing work with a mobile phone. PoE is completely tangential to fibre-based Ethernet so you'd probably have to come up with entirely new cables and plugs anyway.
Essentially, Light Peak is a superset of what you'd get if you made 10GigE work with HID peripherals.
I'd also comment on whether the Ethernet stack is the best thing to drive a mouse on but I don't know how elegant Ethernet HID would be vs. USB HID.
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I think that this new device will be helpful but I think technology is moving faster than us as humans are! These companies probably just sit on new technologies and wait for the most feasible time to send them to the market! Get ready for real life Frankenstein. And if it will use light to boost it, isn't it the same as solar powered energy?
You should use you vagina power to get a new dongle.
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And that's about the limit, isn't it. Not for optical.
what you clearly meant to say was "bears repeating"
Well, yeah. That goes without saying.
This is like a Zen koan.
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Damn you! I was trying to figure out that last bit and I nearly got myself killed at the pedestrian crossing!
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In part, because SDI/HD-SDI provide raw picture, with no anti-consumer anti-copy layering, and The Industry just won't stand for consumers playing with "professional" tools.
(I fully share your lament however)
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