Slashdot Mirror


Sony Prototype Sends Electricity Through the Air

itwbennett writes "Sony announced Friday that it has developed a prototype power system based on magnetic resonance that can send 'a conventional 100 volt electricity supply over a distance of 50 centimeters to power a 22-inch LCD television.' Unfortunately, Sony's prototype wasted 1/5 of the power fed into it and additional losses 'occurred in circuitry connected to the secondary coil so the original 80 watts of power was cut by roughly a quarter to 60 watts once it had made its way through the system.'"

240 comments

  1. It's a start by Bruiser80 · · Score: 3, Funny

    But if they can't improve on 50cm, I'm just getting a 2ft extension cord for fixed items.

    (sorry for mixing units)

    --
    Arguing with an engineer is like wrestling a pig in the mud. After a while, you realize the engineer enjoys it.
    1. Re:It's a start by JeanBaptiste · · Score: 5, Funny

      I don't know, if they could make it out to 1000 barleycorns or even several rods, i'd buy a hogshead of them next fortnight.

    2. Re:It's a start by Oronar · · Score: 5, Informative

      Already sold as a product. http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/wec.shtml

      --
      1 4/\/\ 1337
    3. Re:It's a start by smellsofbikes · · Score: 1

      But if they can't improve on 50cm, I'm just getting a 2ft extension cord for fixed items. (sorry for mixing units)

      You joke, but my bicycle has an Italian bottom bracket that is officially defined as 36mm x 24 threads per inch. *ack*.

      --
      Nostalgia's not what it used to be.
    4. Re:It's a start by davidphogan74 · · Score: 3, Funny

      You do realize that /41/ products are jokes, right?

    5. Re:It's a start by Oronar · · Score: 1

      Shush! You're ruining it!

      --
      1 4/\/\ 1337
    6. Re:It's a start by conureman · · Score: 1

      I had a Campagnolo crank that fit that thread in the seventies. I never got a frame to put it into. I gave it to a friend who could use it, finally. BTW tell GP that he can get a resonator that'll extend the range ALL THE WAY to 80cm, that's more than two feet.

      --
      The cost of that cleanup, of course, will be borne by taxpayers, not industry.
    7. Re:It's a start by miro+f · · Score: 1

      it's ok, the informative post was modded funny and the funny post was modded insightful
      slashdot is fixing it for you!

      --
      being vague is almost as cool as doing that other thing...
    8. Re:It's a start by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      When we were building our last house, timber was (and probably is) still commonly sold with a 2"x4" cross section, in 2m lengths. Mixed units are very common in places where one dimension has legacy constraints but the others don't (if you need 6' of 2"x4" then you can trim a 2m length easily, but a 5cmx10cm length won't quite fit the gap that you have).

      --
      I am TheRaven on Soylent News
    9. Re:It's a start by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The moderators get me sometimes.. the person who is clearly wrong is labeled "informative" and the guy informing him of his mistake is labeled "funny".

    10. Re:It's a start by smellsofbikes · · Score: 1
      And what's particularly sad about that is that a 2x4" is nowhere *nearly* actually 2" by 4" because of the kerf of the saws, so it's a completely lame legacy constraint. I wish they'd tell you in mm what the lumber measurements are. My old house had a few *actual* 2 inch by 4 inch logs in it, and nothing new fit well.

      Around here they sell 2x4"'s in a strange length, calibrated to match so that a set of them with another on the top and another on the bottom, is exactly eight feet high, so the studs themselves are like 92 5/8" long or thereabouts. Weeeird.

      --
      Nostalgia's not what it used to be.
    11. Re:It's a start by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It wasn't a joke over a year ago when it came out and sold a few sets before it was quickly pulled off the market due to actually never being tested or approved by the likes of UL. I think it was for more retarded reasons than health risks. This product was also mentioned in Maximum PC magazine.

    12. Re:It's a start by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      You live in the UK? Im currently in Belgium which AFAIK has never used imperial, and you still find plumbing fittings in inches. Also, electric screwdrivers are a 1/4 inch fitting - bought an attachment recently that was labelled as such rather than 6 and a fart millimetres. Also, isn't 4 x 2 (inch) the dry size and 10 x 5 (cm) the raw size or something?

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    13. Re:It's a start by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The rule of thumb is, whenever linking /41/, yes, yes he does.

  2. can we get this tagged by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    globalwarming please?

    seriously, wasting 1/5th of power just so you don't have to install some fucking wiring is just plain wrong. that's ignoring the fact that you will probably want to wire it up through hdmi anyway.

    cocksuckers. one side of the tech business is actively thinking "hmmm fossil fuels will be running out, WTF are we gonna do" whilst the other side goes "WOOOOOOOOOO! Wireless power! PARTY ON!"

    1. Re:can we get this tagged by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes but no but anyway you can't stop me, you whale-kissing hippy.

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    2. Re:can we get this tagged by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm appalled. This "prototype" isn't already perfected technology and they had the gall to send out a press release! They should just chunk the idea out the window! And please people, please stop creating this technologizma stuff because it's destroying Mother Earth.

    3. Re:can we get this tagged by Rei · · Score: 5, Insightful

      75% efficiency is perfectly acceptable for low power devices. Making and shipping alkaline batteries repeatedly, or relying on rechargeable NiMH batteries that often leak more energy than gets used in the device, is certainly far more wasteful. So using this sort of tech to power those kinds of devices (clocks, smoke alarms, stick-on lights, etc) sounds quite reasonable. I'd certainly buy a $20 device that meant I never had to change a smoke alarm or clock battery again. In fact, 75% efficiency means it'd probably be a about breakeven powering a NiMH Roomba or Scooba versus charging their packs (in addition to leaking, NiMH isn't a very efficient charger). So you could have your home robotics never leak charge or have to waste energy charging, and never have battery packs need to be replaced, as well as the obvious "no limit on how long they can run for before needing to go back to dock".

      They're going to have to significantly improve on the range, though. 1 1/2 feet isn't much at all.

      Another interesting possibility would be to have a pocket-sized device powered by a li-ion battery pack. Carry it on your person and all of your portable gismos -- cameras, flashlights, cell phones, etc -- stay charged. When you get back home or to your hotel room, you plug it in to charge it. They wouldn't need as much range improvement, but they would need to make it a lot smaller than 40cm across (unless it'd be something you carry in a backpack).

      Certainly you don't want 75% efficiency running TVs or charging electric cars (unless you can do it on the road, for long trip range extending -- but then you'd need some *serious* range!). But for battery-powered devices, that's fine.

      --
      I just invaded Grammar Czechoslovakia and duped Grammar Neville Chamberlain; now it's on to Grammar Poland.
    4. Re:can we get this tagged by linguizic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      one side of the tech business is actively thinking "hmmm fossil fuels will be running out, WTF are we gonna do" whilst the other side goes "WOOOOOOOOOO! Wireless power! PARTY ON!"

      Don't be a doofus, this is a prototype. It's not like they're releasing it for mass consumption. Besides, who says we can't have wireless green electricity. The only thing NOT green about this is where the electricity comes from. Who gives a shit if it wastes 1/5th of the power if all that power comes from solar panels. There are plenty of nasty false dichotomies in the public sphere (nature/nurture, democrat/republican) we don't need another one. Don't be a doofus.

      --
      Does this sig remind you of Agatha Christie?
    5. Re:can we get this tagged by acid06 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      WOOOOOOOOOO! Wireless power! PARTY ON!

      Now, may I have a device to wirelessly supply me with some more karma to burn?

    6. Re:can we get this tagged by negRo_slim · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'd certainly buy a $20 device that meant I never had to change a smoke alarm or clock battery again.

      What happens when the power goes out? Does the $20 dollar device have a battery?

      --
      On the Oregon Cost born and raised, On the beach is where I spent most of my days
    7. Re:can we get this tagged by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      So using this sort of tech to power those kinds of devices (clocks, smoke alarms, stick-on lights, etc) sounds quite reasonable.

      Smoke alarms have to use wires: it's how they avoid battery usage altogether (except as backup), and connect to each other so they all alarm at the same time. Every new house is required to be wired for smoke detectors.

      Honestly, I can only think of one application where not needing a power cord for a 50cm distance is all that helpful: a "charging pad" to recharge your mobile devices by just setting it on the pad, without having to mess with wires and connectors. However, I don't think this is likely to happen for a long, long time: mobile phone makers make a lot of money by charging out the ass for replacement chargers, which use proprietary connectors so you can't use some other charger.

    8. Re:can we get this tagged by smallfries · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Indeed, just because this early prototype has 75% efficiency we must assume that the maximum that can ever be achieved. Best to just stop investigating it instead of working on improving the range and efficiency. After all scientific progress has advanced quite far enough hasn't it?

      God forbid that we improve this technology and use it to replace other sources of loss to reduce energy consumption! After all we are rapidly moving towards an electric infrastructure for vehicles, and they are always this close to the road. Imagine just how bad it would be for global warming if we replaced batteries (and their associated losses) with this technology. Evil scientists.

      --
      Slashdot: where don knuth is an idiot because he cant grasp the awesome power of php
    9. Re:can we get this tagged by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1

      Wireless power has a responsible niche: cell phones, mp3 players, laptop etc. My TV doesnt need wireless power. It never moves and it has tons of other cables.

      The palm pre already support wireless power. I picture a pad like the touchstone, but bigger, and which can charge all my little toys just by tossing them on there. No fuss.

    10. Re:can we get this tagged by plague911 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Do you have any idea how much power is used to actually produce that few inches of wire? Doubtfull as it may be but systems like this may end up saving energy in the future. Even if they are not 100% energy efficient. Imagine how much money/energy would be saved if you never had to wire a house in the first place. Or if we could actualy get a wireless transmission system. Those telephone polls don't grow on trees.... Get a clue

    11. Re:can we get this tagged by Rei · · Score: 2, Informative

      Every new house is required to be wired for smoke detectors.

      Perhaps every new house, but mine certainly isn't. I have to change the 9-volts regularly.

      Honestly, I can only think of one application where not needing a power cord for a 50cm distance is all that helpful:

      Take a walk through your house some time, and look at every last little gadget in the house, and count how many batteries (replaceable or rechargeable, embedded or removable) you find. I bet you'll be surprised.

      a "charging pad" to recharge your mobile devices by just setting it on the pad, without having to mess with wires and connectors. However, I don't think this is likely to happen for a long, long time

      Huh? That's already here. And inductive charging has been used in electric toothbrushes for ages. The difference for this is that you actually have range.

      --
      I just invaded Grammar Czechoslovakia and duped Grammar Neville Chamberlain; now it's on to Grammar Poland.
    12. Re:can we get this tagged by Korin43 · · Score: 1

      Considering this is from Sony, I can immediately think of a use: Wireless controllers. My roommate has a 360, and we have to recharge the batteries in the controllers CONSTANTLY. If just being close to the system was enough to charge the controlllers, it would be very useful.

    13. Re:can we get this tagged by Dynedain · · Score: 1

      Honestly, I can only think of one application where not needing a power cord for a 50cm distance is all that helpful

      What about if the closest available outlet is on the other side of a wall from where you need the device?

      --
      I'm out of my mind right now, but feel free to leave a message.....
    14. Re:can we get this tagged by commodore64_love · · Score: 2, Interesting

      >>>75% efficiency is perfectly acceptable for low power devices.

      Then how come the EU and U.S. are banning incandescent bulbs? The latest prototypes using laser-carved filaments operate at just 20 watts, and make the same light as a 15 watt compact fluorescent light. So that's what? 75% efficiency? And yet this is considered unacceptable by the politicians.

      I say, if the bulbs are banned for inefficiency, then so too should these over-the-air power transmissions (for the same reason).

      --
      "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - historian Evelyn Beatrice Hall
    15. Re:can we get this tagged by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Take a walk through your house some time, and look at every last little gadget in the house, and count how many batteries (replaceable or rechargeable, embedded or removable) you find. I bet you'll be surprised.

      Yes, that's the application I named: recharging mobile devices without messing with cords with proprietary. This Sony thing doesn't even appear to be aimed at that, and as you showed, the technology to do that is already here, even though no one wants to build it in.

      Huh? That's already here. And inductive charging has been used in electric toothbrushes for ages. The difference for this is that you actually have range.

      Ok, so it's here, but only as a crappy add-on (except for toothbrushes, where exposed connectors aren't a good idea). It's never going to be built in for the reason I stated earlier.

      Having this add-on for your iPhone means you can no longer plug it into a dock to play music or whatever. You'd have to go through the trouble of removing this charging skin thing. Depending on how often you use a dock, it might be more trouble than it's worth to get this wireless charging skin.

    16. Re:can we get this tagged by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Cut a hole in the wall, and wire a new outlet to the other outlet. If it's a device you're going to be using in that location for a while, it's worth an hour of time and $3 in parts from Lowe's. This is exactly what I did for a motorized cat litter box I put in a closet.

    17. Re:can we get this tagged by Rei · · Score: 1

      Since when do laser-carved filament incandescents make the same light as 15W CFLs? A 15W CFL has the same lumen output as a traditional 60W incandescent.

      This page says that the laser treatment boosted a 60W bulb to the output of a 100W bulb. Hardly the 3x increase you claim. And they say it's not ready for commercialization (for one, I have to wonder how long that nanostructured surface that gives the greater efficiency will last through hours of operation)

      --
      I just invaded Grammar Czechoslovakia and duped Grammar Neville Chamberlain; now it's on to Grammar Poland.
    18. Re:can we get this tagged by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      I have a PS2 and never have to recharge the controllers.

      --
      "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - historian Evelyn Beatrice Hall
    19. Re:can we get this tagged by Kufat · · Score: 1

      You're assuming that CFLs are 100% efficient. They're not. The best fluorescent bulbs are in the neighborhood of 20% efficient.

      There's a difference between relative efficiency (The new incandescent bulbs are 75% as efficient as current CFLs) vs. absolute efficiency (X% of the power that goes into the bulb is emitted as visible light.)

    20. Re:can we get this tagged by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      In the short run, I agree with you. In the long run, I can conceive of a universe where people think it is insane to have exposed electrical sitting out in plain sight every 12 feet in every room of a home. Think of the children!!!! Joking aside, There was a time when people thought nothing of having bear electrical wires running through their house to power lights. Today, we would think they were insane. Give it one generation of magnetic resonance being used to power household appliances, and people would think you were crazy to have a bunch of holes in the wall that would let a small child electrocute themselves.

      Of course for that to become the standard, we would either need some new, clean, cheap form of power generation so that the waste didn't matter, or we would need a senator to have a child that cooked themselves by putting the end of their metal bracelet in an outlet.

    21. Re:can we get this tagged by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd certainly buy a $20 device that meant I never had to change a smoke alarm or clock battery again.

      Most building codes require hard-wired smoke detectors with battery backups.
      So you'll still have to replace batteries in that. A wireless power widget might
      replace the hardwire requirement (although I doubt it), but it won't replace the
      backup battery requirement.

    22. Re:can we get this tagged by BlackPignouf · · Score: 1

      Too bad that 7 billion times 20W = 140GW, which is more than what Germany consumes right now.

    23. Re:can we get this tagged by davidphogan74 · · Score: 1

      All cell phones don't use proprietary connectors. I've made it a point with my last two phones to get a model with a standardized USB connector for power and sync capabilities, so I can charge from any powered USB port I can find. I can't even count the number of times I've recharged my phone off my laptop while driving or on a train, or even at friend's houses by just making sure a common USB cable.

    24. Re:can we get this tagged by KaimaraZatar · · Score: 1

      I wonder how many Roomba users actually carry a backpack. Anywhere. You do realize you are describing people who can't be bothered to sweep their own floor or stoop over to plug in a power cord. I believe you are referring to a target market of users who would be better served by a fuel cell capable of consuming snickers and gummi bears. ps. until that wirelessly powered smoke detector comes with the ability to test via universal remote control AND request the dispatch of some maintenance personnel when it's internal backup battery is dead, the idea is fail.

    25. Re:can we get this tagged by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      So... solar cells are ~30% efficent, and from that we get 20% of that efficiency.
      This means that a photovoltaic array that takes a LOT of energy to create in the first place, takes years to hit the break even point, and eventually needs to be replaced, would likely end up in a net energy loss situation running one of these systems. Better to use the energy generated from solar panels as efficiently as possible, so there is actually some net energy gain from the system.

    26. Re:can we get this tagged by russotto · · Score: 1

      Then how come the EU and U.S. are banning incandescent bulbs?

      Hair shirt environmentalism.

      The latest prototypes using laser-carved filaments operate at just 20 watts, and make the same light as a 15 watt compact fluorescent light.

      Such a lamp will remain legal in the US. A 20 watt incandescent light bulb will be legal in the US whatever the output, given current legislation; a light bulb emitting 900 lumens will be legal at 43W or less.

      So that's what? 75% efficiency?

      No; it's 33% less efficient than the fluorescent, but the efficiency rating of a light bulb isn't a dimensionless number.

    27. Re:can we get this tagged by amRadioHed · · Score: 1

      I don't know about Europe, but America isn't banning incandescent bulbs. They are banning inefficient bulbs. If an efficient 20watt incandescent is made you will be able to use it.

      --
      We hope your rules and wisdom choke you / Now we are one in everlasting peace
    28. Re:can we get this tagged by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Honestly, I can only think of one application where not needing a power cord for a 50cm distance is all that helpful: a "charging pad" to recharge your mobile devices by just setting it on the pad, without having to mess with wires and connectors. However, I don't think this is likely to happen for a long, long time: mobile phone makers make a lot of money by charging out the ass [...]

      So you pay them so they plug your mobile phone into their ass to charge it? Of course, you shouldn't be surprised if it sounds like shit afterwards.

      --
      The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
    29. Re:can we get this tagged by distilate · · Score: 1

      Do you have any idea how much power is used to actually produce that few inches of wire? Doubtfull as it may be but systems like this may end up saving energy in the future. Even if they are not 100% energy efficient. Imagine how much money/energy would be saved if you never had to wire a house in the first place. Or if we could actualy get a wireless transmission system. Those telephone polls don't grow on trees.... Get a clue

      You forget that the magnetic resonance device has copper coil in the sender and another in the receiver and probably uses more copper than a 2 foot cord. let alone the energy used to make the semiconductors required to make it work

    30. Re:can we get this tagged by jpmorgan · · Score: 1

      Besides, who says we can't have wireless green electricity.

      Duh, household electricity is a 60Hz, green is ~560THz.

    31. Re:can we get this tagged by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are a fucking luddite enviromentalist nazi. You know that right?

    32. Re:can we get this tagged by maharvey · · Score: 1

      WTF? Must be a japanese invention. What does it do, give a robotic tongue bath? I think I'd want to hide it in the closet too!

    33. Re:can we get this tagged by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      The first thing I did when I bought a house, was replace the existing smoke alarms with AC-mains wired ones. And yes they have a battery for when power goes out.

      Costs $10-15 for one, plus the cost of having someone qualified to string wire across the attic to the units. This is more than the $20 each the subthread-poster wanted, but for the peace of mind it is very much worth it. (The original ones weren't well-placed and not fully up to code either.) Plus not having to worry about what kinds of RF is being thrown about or what else will it interfere with, now or in the future.

    34. Re:can we get this tagged by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Nope, it's an all-American invention. And it's quite frankly the best automatic litter box made. The other ones are cheaply made and jam easily.

      http://www.litter-robot.com/

      Just a satisfied customer.

    35. Re:can we get this tagged by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or how much power is going into producing the wire that you need for the transmitter and receiver coil?

      It is a false comparison. Wired infrastructure is paid for once and can serve for many decades. Meanwhile the 20% (or whatever) energy loss is paid for continuously for as long as the system is operational.

    36. Re:can we get this tagged by pitterpatter · · Score: 2, Funny

      What happens when the power goes out? Does the $20 dollar device have a battery?

      Don't worry. The power never goes out in a fire.

    37. Re:can we get this tagged by shentino · · Score: 1

      We in the IT industry would rather all the environmentalists take a flying leap and fuck off.

      We make loads of profits giving our entitlement-mentality trained customers what they want, and since we don't have to pay for hurting mother earth we will do so. Your grandkids will be paying, not us.

      Oh, and all of our competitors think the same way, so we really need to make sure that if the earth is going to be ravaged anyway that we at least get a slice of the pie.

      Tragedy of the commons and all that.

    38. Re:can we get this tagged by sgt_doom · · Score: 1

      Doods, they've already got this....it's called lighting bolts and stuff....

    39. Re:can we get this tagged by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 1

      What happens with the energy sending coil ? We're just looking at loss in the transfer here, but I assume you'd keep that sucker going day and night to immediately power any device you might happen to carry by it. What's going to be the energy cost of that ?

      --
      If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error.
    40. Re:can we get this tagged by plague911 · · Score: 1

      That is correct. My point was not that this will save energy right now but the tech even if it is not 100% could potentially save energy. It depends on a lot of factors so many that you cant just issue a blanket statement either way.

    41. Re:can we get this tagged by Sarten-X · · Score: 1

      Yes, it does. It's generally referred to as 'backup'.

      --
      You do not have a moral or legal right to do absolutely anything you want.
    42. Re:can we get this tagged by Merls+the+Sneaky · · Score: 1

      A play and charge kit for the controllers will solve that and it has a lot more range, 50 cm = sitting on each others lap in front of the xbox. once charged you can go wireless again. The wireless range is ridiculous.

    43. Re:can we get this tagged by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      9-volt batteries in smoke alarms should last for years. If you are changing yours more often than that it's probably a good idea to think about replacing the alarms because something isn't right. No point taking a chance on that sort of thing.

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    44. Re:can we get this tagged by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      What are you talking about? We love environmentalists. We can't sell people faster computers anymore, because for the last few years anything we've sold them has been fast enough, but we can sell them the same speed at half the power consumption and they love us!

      --
      I am TheRaven on Soylent News
    45. Re:can we get this tagged by kmac06 · · Score: 1

      Those telephone polls don't grow on trees

      I can't decide if that was stupid, an oversight, or just a very subtle troll...

    46. Re:can we get this tagged by flibbajobber · · Score: 1

      Actually efficiency is dimensionless, it's the proportion of input energy converted into useful output energy. That's not necessarily useful since humans don't perceive energy across the spectrum equally. Efficacy, OTOH, is not dimensionless and is the more useful term as it's the *apparent* amount of light output per energy input (i.e. *lumens* per watt)

  3. Wasted 1/5 of energy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where does that 'wasted' energy go?

    1. Re:Wasted 1/5 of energy? by Sinning · · Score: 0

      I'd assume this device either doubles as a space heater or an x-ray machine.

    2. Re:Wasted 1/5 of energy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe it's an amateur radio station, or a room-wide microwave oven?

    3. Re:Wasted 1/5 of energy? by nhytefall · · Score: 5, Informative

      The wasted energy is most likely dissipated as high frequency RF energy. In most primary/secondary coil designs (for the less enlightened... think Tesla coil), the bulk (80-90%) of "lost" energy is dissipated as high frequency RF. The rest is dissipated as heat and light.

      --
      0100010001101001011001 0100100000011010010110 1110001000000110000100 1000000110011001101001 0111001001100101
  4. Not well trained by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

    If they were trained better, they could throw the power supply over a larger distance than merely 50 centimeters.

    --
    The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
  5. video source? by whizzard · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you still need a cable to connect your video sources, what's the point?

    1. Re:video source? by JeanBaptiste · · Score: 3, Insightful
    2. Re:video source? by ucblockhead · · Score: 4, Funny

      I here someone once figured out a way to send signals from a TV station to a TV set without wires. Crazy I know, but true.

      --
      The cake is a pie
    3. Re:video source? by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      If you still need a cable to connect your video sources, what's the point?

      I'm pretty sure prototypes (and maybe one or two production implementations) of systems which can transmit analog and digital streams (including, in either form, audio+video streams) between points without cables have existed for a while.

    4. Re:video source? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They'll be coming out with a wireless video source soon, but due to losses, only red and green will be displayed.

    5. Re:video source? by gbarules2999 · · Score: 1

      It's almost time for endlessly looping Christmas movies to be played nonstop on TV anyway; no one will notice a difference.

    6. Re:video source? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Yes, but it's only commercial-filled crap beamed from a broadcaster, which doesn't allow you to pause, rewind, store programs, choose exactly what movie you want to watch and when, etc. And due to FCC rules, you're not allowed to transmit your own video on public channels (since it would inevitably interfere with other people doing the same thing).

    7. Re:video source? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      These things will probably be banned if they become technically workable and appear on the market. Remember, the main reason to use such a thing would be to connect your Blu-Ray player to your 52" flat-screen TV without having to run cables through the walls. But doing this wirelessly would constitute public distribution of this copyrighted content, which is illegal as the FCC notice says at the beginning of the movie, so the studios will probably have this technology banned.

    8. Re:video source? by mozzis · · Score: 1

      Wireless USB (see Dynadock.com)

      --
      This is not a self-referential sig.
    9. Re:video source? by PIBM · · Score: 1

      645$, for only 30fps 1080p .. That's even worst than this!

    10. Re:video source? by westlake · · Score: 1

      uh, wireless hdmi?

      $800

      Latency 85-90ms.

      Maxes out at 1080p30.

      Some motion-compression artifacts. Some loss in detail. Gefen Wireless HDMI Extender (EXT-WHDMI)

      The HDMI 1.4 cable supports 4K x 2K video, 3D over HDMI, Ethernet, etc.

    11. Re:video source? by felipekk · · Score: 1

      Well, you don't actually need to connect video sources. You can use a USB Stick attached to the TV, specially if it is one of those TV's used in showrooms and company entrance halls that just show a video on loop.

    12. Re:video source? by ucblockhead · · Score: 1

      You realize you can use a DVR with broadcast TV, right?

      --
      The cake is a pie
    13. Re:video source? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      So? You're still stuck with whatever they broadcast. What if you want to watch a Blu-Ray? Or download something from BitTorrent?

      Besides, you do realize that DVRs require a cable to connect to the TV, right? So that throws this "wireless TV" thing right out the window, which was the point the OP was trying to make.

    14. Re:video source? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      I didn't realize you're the OP. So you invalidated your own point. What good is not needing wires to connect to your TV if you need a wire to connect the DVR to the TV?

    15. Re:video source? by ucblockhead · · Score: 1

      Unless the DVR and Blu-Ray player and a Wifi card are all built into the TV.

      --
      The cake is a pie
    16. Re:video source? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that'll work real well. Look how well TVs have sold in the past when VCRs and DVDs were built-in. It's a stupid idea because as soon as some other thing comes out, your TV is obsolete and saddled with POS you never use.

      I'll bet a lot of people are glad they never bought a $3000 TV with built-in HD-DVD (not that one was ever offered, but for exactly this reason).

      Even "clueless" non-tech-savvy consumers know not to buy TVs with built-in stuff. Everyone knows that they keep their TV for many years, sometimes decades, while the other bits get replaced all the time. The only thing people really want built-in to their TV is the tuner.

      And building a DVR in is about the dumbest idea along these lines I've ever heard. DVRs are always having problems with firmware and such, plus TiVos require a subscription to be useful. Who wants to be stuck with one DVR? Plus they don't work with premium cable channels, unless you get the cableco's own DVR (which obviously can't be built-in), which everyone hates because the firmware is so buggy.

    17. Re:video source? by ucblockhead · · Score: 1

      I didn't say it was a smart business decision.

      --
      The cake is a pie
    18. Re:video source? by Dilpo · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't those shitty little devices that broad cast your iPod over public radio waves so you can listen to it in your car fall into the same category? Unless something changed recently they weren't banned. I think they just sucked hard (low quality music), and were replaced by other technologies. They might even sell them if you looked for it. Yup they still exist.

    19. Re:video source? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but as you pointed out, their quality was poor, mainly because they convert to FM radio which is noticeably worse than CD-quality audio.

      Anything expected to replace HDMI cables would need to have equal quality, and that would make it possible to make a perfect digital copy by sniffing the transmission. The media companies will hate that and try to get their employees in Congress to ban it, which should be easier since Congress is currently Democrat-controlled, and the Dems are in the pockets of the media companies.

  6. WiTricity? by mjihad · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But how is it different from WiTricity?

    1. Re:WiTricity? by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2, Funny

      Since it's from Sony, it will probably have built-in DRM, so only authorized systems can use the power.

      --
      The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
    2. Re:WiTricity? by WoRLoKKeD · · Score: 1

      And if you think the DRM is annoying, wait until the unit explodes.

      --
      Immolation is the sincerest form of flattery.
  7. Basic physics/electronics fail? by kheldan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why is anyone wasting any time on useless technology like this? Is it based on consumer demand? If so then consumers need some basic physics and electronics lessons. This is not Star Trek, people, we can't "beam" your power to you via subspace, the inverse-square law fully applies, this is not ever going to be efficient or practical! Electrically powered things require power cords, get over it!

    --
    Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
    1. Re:Basic physics/electronics fail? by FunPika · · Score: 1

      WhyElectrically powered things require power cords

      Or batteries.

      --
      After years of not using a signature, I am going to make one to say the following: Fuck Beta
    2. Re:Basic physics/electronics fail? by JeanBaptiste · · Score: 1

      fortunately we have things like parabolic dishes to focus energy so it's not distributed in every direction. Just don't walk between the dishes....

    3. Re:Basic physics/electronics fail? by stonedcat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Lets stop innovation entirely and let technology sit and stagnate for a few hundred years.
      It's a good thing you showed us the error of our ways or we might have advanced by leaps and bounds.

      --
      You can't take the sky from me.
    4. Re:Basic physics/electronics fail? by Alcimedes · · Score: 1

      Actually, I just wanted a demonstration on power through the air that was totally safe. (not the Sony method)

      http://www.videosift.com/video/Wireless-Electricity-Demonstration-TED-Talk

      Was a demo by TED talk.

      They actually demo it with a TV, and cell phone application. Uses high frequency vibrations to generate electricity with magnetic waves.

      Super bad ass. Way more interesting that this crap.

    5. Re:Basic physics/electronics fail? by RobinEggs · · Score: 1

      Ok, so the inverse square law applies. However, say you can just have a little power-beaming antennae under your desk and that's all it takes for your computer monitor, your cell phone, your main box, your laptop, your desk lamp, your paper shredder, your space heater, blah, blah, blah to receive power with no cords at all.

      And all at a distance of less than 10 feet. So the inverse square law applies, but several of the most convenient, life-simplifying uses of the product aren't at long range: they're at extremely short ranges.

    6. Re:Basic physics/electronics fail? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or S2 organs.

    7. Re:Basic physics/electronics fail? by Rei · · Score: 1

      To put it in programming terms, yes, the losses are O(N^2). But that says nothing about lower-order factors.

      The whole point of resonant coupling are that you greatly extend the distance at which your losses occur. They still fall off by the same scale, but at a much greater distance. Think of it akin to broadcasting microwaves with a non-directional antenna versus a parabolic dish. Only in this case, you don't have to "aim".

      --
      I just invaded Grammar Czechoslovakia and duped Grammar Neville Chamberlain; now it's on to Grammar Poland.
    8. Re:Basic physics/electronics fail? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The inverse square law only applies to isotropic sources - sources such as lasers still decay but that's more a focusing issue.

      There is no physical reason why you can't beam power through a laser outside the visible spectrum (microwave or x-ray). Yes, the laser will be attenuated, but there is no physical reason why you can't use such a system to dispense with wires.

    9. Re:Basic physics/electronics fail? by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      Why is anyone wasting any time on useless technology like this? Is it based on consumer demand? If so then consumers need some basic physics and electronics lessons. This is not Star Trek, people, we can't "beam" your [data] to you via subspace, the inverse-square law fully applies, this is not ever going to be efficient or practical! [communication] things require [phone] cords, get over it!

      You'd be ranting about horseless carriages if you were living a hundred years ago.

      --

      You can't take the sky from me...

    10. Re:Basic physics/electronics fail? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      However, say you can just have a little power-beaming antennae under your desk and that's all it takes for your computer monitor, your cell phone, your main box, your laptop, your desk lamp, your paper shredder, your space heater, blah, blah, blah to receive power with no cords at all.

      I wouldn't want my nutsack, which would have to share space under my desk with this power transmitter, to get uncomfortably overheated and loose from basking in leaking energy fields. Given a choice between dealing with good old power cords vs. crinkly tinfoil boxer shorts, I think I'll stick with the former.

    11. Re:Basic physics/electronics fail? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Actually, from what I remember of Star Trek, there was no wireless power there, either. Phasers, communicators, etc., all were powered by some kind of battery. That's why phasers could be set to overload, and explode, or ran out of power occasionally. "Subspace" was only useful for transmitting communications FTL, not power.

    12. Re:Basic physics/electronics fail? by wronski · · Score: 2, Interesting

      err... its only inverse-square if the energy is unfocused. Since we are talking about a *beam*, this is clearly not the case. The parallel is not exact, but we have known how to transmit EM radiation directionally for decades (what do you think all those parabolic dishes are for?), thereby avoiding inverse-square attenuation; the EM energy is 'beamed' to a receiving antenna, where it induces a current and hence transmits energy. In this case, the trick is constructing a primary coil such that most of the magnetic flux lines that cross it also cross a secondary coil (i.e., it preserves most of the magnectic flux). A AC current on the primary will induce a current in the secondary, and the energy efficiency will be the ratio between the magnectic flux in both coils. Interestingly, if you apply a DC current to one of these coils, you will end up with a very focused electromagnet. You could use it to manipulate a small permanent magnet far away from the coil (on the order of the AC transmission distance), for instance. This sort of remote, non invasive manipulation must have tons of application, from surgical (e.g., guiding a probe to a clogged artery), to military (defusing bombs), to whatever (safecracking anyone?) Anyway, very cool stuff.

    13. Re:Basic physics/electronics fail? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      There's lots of places where technological advances would not only be very useful, but maybe even necessary for the continued existence of our civilization: biotech and agriculture to make more food for our geometrically-increasing population and cure diseases, newer transportation technology, etc.

      Wireless power (at least not one with such a limited range) is not something that has any serious uses. It might make it easier to recharge your cellphone, but please don't try to argue that this is some critical capability that will change the world. Plugging in a recharging cord isn't that hard.

      Improve the efficiency and range a few orders of magnitude and you might have something really useful. But I don't think it's going to happen, at least not with magnetic resonance, due to the fundamental laws of physics. Basically, this sounds like a giant mutual inductor (like a transformer, but without the iron core to conduct magnetic flux between the two sets of windings) with the two sides separated by a lot of air space. This requires big coils (which limit your applications, since no one wants a 2-foot-square cellphone), and without a way of conducting the flux, it's never going to have good efficiency like a transformer.

    14. Re:Basic physics/electronics fail? by stonedcat · · Score: 1

      If you honestly see this as only being used for charging cellphones you are seriously blind.
      This sort of technology if expanded upon has a great number of possible uses, some that may even save lives.

      --
      You can't take the sky from me.
    15. Re:Basic physics/electronics fail? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Like what? Specifics, or your point is invalid.

      What could possibly be SOOOOO useful about not needing an 18" long extension cord? If you can get power to within 50cm of a device, you can get it all the way to the device without any extra trouble. If you can't get it within 50cm, then this technology is useless. The laws of physics pretty much guarantee it isn't going to be used for any long-range power transmission.

    16. Re:Basic physics/electronics fail? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interestingly, if you apply a DC current to one of these coils, you will end up with a very focused electromagnet.

      No, you won't. There's still this fiddly little thing called the "superposition principle". Put a DC voltage and an AC voltage on a coil, and guess what you get? The total of the fields produced by the each of the two voltages acting alone - or a fucking Nobel prize if you get something else, which would go against more than a century of results.

      And the "beam" business is utter BS. The field along the axis of a loop actually falls (at larger distances) as the *third* power of distance. So it's even WORSE. (one example of the calculation: http://www.physics.odu.edu/~stephenb/Site/Lect232NSpring08_files/Lecture_23.pdf ) The trick in these systems is that they use a separation that is similar to the size of the coils, where the +a^2 factor in the denominator helps them out; note that the graph in the document shows that the field is only at 1/2 of its maximum at a distance equal to the radius of the coil.

      WTF do people fall for this nonsense? It's like they hear the words "magnetic induction" and their brain switches off.

    17. Re:Basic physics/electronics fail? by Dilpo · · Score: 1

      Because we can accurately predict which technologies will be useful in the future right?
      And we can also get the entire planet to focus all of our problem solving skills into a few subset of problems?
      Even if we could who gets to decide which problems we focus on?
      Whats important to you is not important to me, so why should I follow your priorities?
      If it is a waste of technology then its Sony blowing money on nothing, does that bother you? We have this concept of personal property where I come from, not sure about you, but if someone wants to take something they own and do something stupid with it as long as its not hurting someone else its ok (opportunity cost not included).

      You're acting like innovation doesn't exist, as if this technology will stay in the exact same form as when it was originally invented. The world sure would suck if you were best friends with the guy who invented the first transistor. "Its useless! Its too big, too costly to make, takes way to much power and is too inefficient to do anything of real use! We should go back to working on flying cars, thats a real problem in the world today!"

    18. Re:Basic physics/electronics fail? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      You're acting like innovation doesn't exist, as if this technology will stay in the exact same form as when it was originally invented.

      Where did you get that from? I never made any such claims.

      The world sure would suck if you were best friends with the guy who invented the first transistor. "Its useless! Its too big, too costly to make, takes way to much power and is too inefficient to do anything of real use! We should go back to working on flying cars, thats a real problem in the world today!"

      This is just plain stupid. The first transistor was immediately recognized as useful because it was so much better than the vacuum tubes which were in common use: it was both smaller and used less power, and probably cheaper too. The invention of the transistor was much like the invention of the light bulb: its usefulness, especially over that of the prevailing technology, was immediately apparent, unlike many inventions whose usefulness takes a while to become apparent.

      If it is a waste of technology then its Sony blowing money on nothing, does that bother you?

      I'm not the one who tried to claim that this would be some world-changing, life-saving invention like some other poster here. I merely refuted that. If Sony wants to waste its money on useless technologies, that's their right, but I'm not going to stand by while some fool on Slashdot says it's the best thing since sliced bread when it has really questionable usefulness.

      Again, I challenge anyone to point out how this technology is remotely useful for anything (keeping in mind that wireless cellphone-charging pads are already on the market, and not the same thing as this thing from Sony). Transmitting power over a mere 50cm is NOT a useful invention.

    19. Re:Basic physics/electronics fail? by jhol13 · · Score: 1

      It is inverse square even if it is focused.

      Just that the factor might be close to one (or zero, if you count losses).

    20. Re:Basic physics/electronics fail? by harlows_monkeys · · Score: 1

      If physics worked the way you think it does, lasers wouldn't work.

    21. Re:Basic physics/electronics fail? by smoker2 · · Score: 1

      Transmitting power over a mere 50cm is NOT a useful invention.

      Ok,
      How about using this in electric vehicles ? Run lines in the road surface which transmit to a receiver under the car ? Eliminates the battery charging / longevity issue and allows you to go where-ever the road goes. Also cuts down on weight in the car. There aren't many cars that have a ground clearance of 20".

      Maybe the real issue is with your short-sightedness.

    22. Re:Basic physics/electronics fail? by MadUndergrad · · Score: 1

      The inverse-square law doesn't, in fact, apply. There are more types of fields than simple radiative fields. Pick up an E&M textbook or something before making such foolish pronouncements.

    23. Re:Basic physics/electronics fail? by MadUndergrad · · Score: 1

      It's not even that. There are two types of relevant fields here. Radiative fields, and nonradiative fields. Radiative fields (EM radiation) go out as r^2. Nonradiative fields are caused by the source, but don't propagate by themselves. Think a garbage truck where some flies fly off (radiation) and some follow near the truck (non-radiative). Coupling involves the nonradiative. hence the longer range as r^2 doesn't apply.

    24. Re:Basic physics/electronics fail? by gilgongo · · Score: 1

      Why is anyone wasting any time on useless technology like this? Is it based on consumer demand? If so then consumers need some basic physics and electronics lessons. This is not Star Trek, people, we can't "beam" your power to you via subspace, the inverse-square law fully applies, this is not ever going to be efficient or practical! Electrically powered things require power cords, get over it!

      Let me be the first to congratulate you on an opinion that would make even my grandfather look forward-thinking.

      --
      "And the meaning of words; when they cease to function; when will it start worrying you?"
    25. Re:Basic physics/electronics fail? by gilgongo · · Score: 1

      Wireless power (at least not one with such a limited range) is not something that has any serious uses.

      Well, I can think of at least one scenario in which is may completely revolutionise our lives: data storage. Imagine a world in which the Internet as we now know it has been sewn up by governments and their corporate masters. A bit like TV is today. Now imagine that the *real* net is made up of millions of tiny, sub-pinhead sized "servers" containing data that you can access when you come in proximity to it. Remotely power up these devices as you sit in a cafe, a field, a car as you stop by the lights. Sure, it may be a bit disjointed and messaging would be tough, but it's possible.

      --
      "And the meaning of words; when they cease to function; when will it start worrying you?"
    26. Re:Basic physics/electronics fail? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1
      It's always an inverse square law. The spread of the beam in two dimensions is proportional to the square of the spread of the beam in one dimension, and the spread of the beam in one dimension is proportional to the length of the beam. Proportional, for those who missed high-school physics, means that it is equal to the length of the beam multiplied by some constant factor. For a perfectly collimated beam, this factor is zero. For a totally unfocussed beam this factor is approximately two pi.

      Skipping (and simplifying a bit) the mathematics the loss when you transmit power over two feet will always be four times the loss when you transmit power over one foot. You can substitute any unit you want here for feet; the loss for transmitting over one two kilometres will be four times the loss when transmitting over one kilometre. If, however, the loss when transmitting over one metre is 1% then the loss transmitting over 2m will be 4% and the loss when transmitting over 50cm will be 0.25%, which is quite acceptable. At this efficiency you are still subject to an inverse-square relationship, but your absolute efficiency is good enough for use in a typical room.

      To get this kind of efficiency you need something a lot more clever than just magnetic induction, and you need the transmitter to actively track the position of the receiver and focus on it.

      --
      I am TheRaven on Soylent News
    27. Re:Basic physics/electronics fail? by ajlisows · · Score: 1

      There isn't consumer demand because people have come to expect having a tangled mess of power cables in back of their entertainment centers and computer desks. If this technology became nearly as efficient as wired power farther reaching, and reasonably cheap you would see consumers flock to stores to purchase them.

      So...why not try to innovate a little? Why not try to push boundries? Once upon a time it seemed ludicrous to think the average person would have a computer in their home. Granted the laws of Physics make this situation a little different but I applaud anyone (Even Sony) who attempts to further our technological options.

    28. Re:Basic physics/electronics fail? by kheldan · · Score: 1

      I'm all for innovation. I just don't see this as true innovation though, I see this only as an electronics company responding to consumer demand in a time of worldwide financial crisis, where every company is scrambling for sales of any kind. It doesn't have to be practical, all it has to do is sell, and that's all I think they're going for here.

      --
      Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
    29. Re:Basic physics/electronics fail? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Surely there was at least one episode of Voyager where they shat upon whatever canon of subspace had been carefully preserved for 30 years?

      --
      My God, it's Full of Source!
      OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
    30. Re:Basic physics/electronics fail? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      I don't know, maybe. I didn't watch much of Voyager. Janeway was just way too annoying, and SevenofNine's hotness wasn't quite enough to get me to come back.

  8. Only through Air? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think this would be really neat if it wasn't limited to only sending electricity through air. Does anyone know what prevents this from working in a vacuum or through solid objects. Is the oxygen being magnetized or something?

    1. Re:Only through Air? by kheldan · · Score: 1

      Nice try AC, for a fraction of a second I thought you were serious(ly that retarded). 3/10.

      --
      Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
  9. Standard Old News Alert by RobinEggs · · Score: 1

    Once again, slashdot catching up with old news and making one company in the lagging position look like the frontrunner of a new technology. Fast Company, among other places, have already published on the several research teams who've had operational prototypes for at least a year, and with comparable benefits, challenges, and ineffeciencies to the unit described in this summary.

    See "Wireless Electricity Is Here, Seriously", Fast Company, Jan. 2009.
    http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/132/brilliant.html

  10. One thing we know for sure by oldspewey · · Score: 5, Funny

    If this is a Sony technology, you better believe the electricity is going to be in some kind of proprietary format that requires you to purchase special electrons at a 30% premium over industry standard.

    --
    If libertarians are so opposed to effective government, why don't they all move to Somalia?
    1. Re:One thing we know for sure by Drahgkar · · Score: 0

      Not to mention the illicit monitoring they'll be doing on how you use it.

      --
      Justify my text? I'm sorry, but it has no excuse.
    2. Re:One thing we know for sure by kilodelta · · Score: 1

      20 inches. That isn't much and WiTricity has ranges that are multiples of that 20.

    3. Re:One thing we know for sure by CodeBuster · · Score: 1

      Yes, but "premium" electrons pumped though a triple-shielded transducer produce the best possible sound, just ask any audiophile.

  11. Unfortunately? That's really good efficiency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    This is impressive efficiency.

    50cm is still too short though, so let's see if the efficiency remains workable as distance increases (square law).

  12. Energy Star? by buback · · Score: 1

    A TV is a stationary device. Why would you need wireless power for anything other than cosmetics? Wouldn't it just be better to put an outlet behind your wall mounting bracket?

    I can see this in a parking spaces for electric cars, so you don't have cables running all over the parking lot of a mall. Or for small devices that don't need much power but would be a pain to power with batteries, like LED track lighting or security webcams or smoke detectors.

    Big, rarely moved devices don't sound practical. after all, if your going to use this for a TV, why not a microwave or a fridge?

    1. Re:Energy Star? by mjihad · · Score: 1

      A TV is a stationary device.

      But cellphones, laptops, PDAs and vibrators aren't. They just demo'ed it with a TV because while the others have batteries but TVs typically don't.

  13. Erm... by Wienaren · · Score: 1

    DNRTFA, but what happens if someone steps into the "beam"? BBQ anyone?

    --
    -- The Online Photo Editor - http://www.phixr.com
    1. Re:Erm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Attention Attention do not step into the path of the beam. To do so would cause a zzzxzxzxz~@?>,,,,

  14. Missed it by that much! by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 5, Funny

    Only another 42,163.9995 km to go to use this to send solar power from geosynchronous orbit.

  15. Sony Should Shop At ThinkGeek by Rary · · Score: 5, Funny

    Quick! Somebody buy the Sony engineers a pair of these!

    --

    "You cannot simultaneously prevent and prepare for war." -- Albert Einstein

    1. Re:Sony Should Shop At ThinkGeek by Ponga · · Score: 1

      Quick! Somebody buy the Sony engineers a pair of these!

      The warning for this "WEC" device reminds me of an old SNL skit:

      * Warning: Pregnant women, the elderly, and children under 10 should avoid prolonged exposure to Happy Fun Ball.
      * Caution: Happy Fun Ball may suddenly accelerate to dangerous speeds.
      * Happy Fun Ball contains a liquid core, which, if exposed due to rupture, should not be touched, inhaled, or looked at.
      * Do not use Happy Fun Ball on concrete.
      * Discontinue use of Happy Fun Ball if any of the following occurs:
      o itching
      o vertigo
      o dizziness
      o tingling in extremities
      o loss of balance or coordination
      o slurred speech
      o temporary blindness
      o profuse sweating
      o heart palpitations
      * If Happy Fun Ball begins to smoke, get away immediately. Seek shelter and cover head.
      * Happy Fun Ball may stick to certain types of skin.
      * When not in use, Happy Fun Ball should be returned to its special container and kept under refrigeration. Failure to do so relieves the makers of Happy Fun Ball, Wacky Products Incorporated, and its parent company, Global Chemical Unlimited, of any and all liability.
      * Ingredients of Happy Fun Ball include an unknown glowing green substance which fell to Earth, presumably from outer space.
      * Happy Fun Ball has been shipped to our troops in Saudi Arabia and is being dropped by our warplanes on Iraq.
      * Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball.
      * Happy Fun Ball comes with a lifetime warranty.

  16. when I was five, I received a crystal radio kit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... it turns out that power can be transmitted wirelessly over long distances in a sufficiently efficient manner to power useful electronics!

    1. Re:when I was five, I received a crystal radio kit by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Indeed, the whole earth runs on wireless power transmission from the sun.

      --
      The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
  17. 60 Watts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Finally! I can power my pesky lightbulbs without having to physically wire them! Thanks Sony!

    1. Re:60 Watts? by SnarfQuest · · Score: 1

      Only if your lights are within 2 feet of an outlet.
      But, if you did this with all the overhead lights you have in you house (guessing around 12), you could save up to 24 inches of copper wiring, with only a 25% increase in your power needs for those lights.

      --
      Who would win this election: Andrew Weiner vs Andrew Weiner's weiner.
  18. Re:Unfortunately? That's really good efficiency by jeffstar · · Score: 1

    that is what i thought too. 80% efficient! Its not like wires are 100% efficient.

    I'm more interested in this type of technology for charging all the various devices with batteries without having to have the right assortment of cables and adapters.

  19. Agree 100%! by Lawand · · Score: 1

    This is Sony.

    --
    Your Ad here
  20. Shocker! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  21. So they may be on Tesla's trail. And...? by ReallyEvilCanine · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Tesla was working on wireless electricity transmission but he was also working on a load of other stuff, all while baking his brain with "health-giving" X-rays. And while Tesla both claimed to have succeeded in wireless transmission and others are purported to have witnessed it, he never once made a claim as to the efficiency which, based on the efficiency of a lot of his other inventions (70% [RMS] for AC, >80% for a coil) was never higher than what Sony's come up with here.

    1. Re:So they may be on Tesla's trail. And...? by hydromike2 · · Score: 0

      in any case it not bad for one guy who was doing wireless power(essentially the father of it among other things) over a hundred years ago with no such thing as a semiconductor versus a multi billion dollar company today...

    2. Re:So they may be on Tesla's trail. And...? by conureman · · Score: 1

      ...Tesla never really disclosed the efficiency of his Colorado Springs transmitter. (And IIRC he wasted a lot of time trying to overcome the grounding problems). He never got to complete the New Jersey installation, which I've always thought may have been because his backers didn't know how to install meters to monetise the reception of the power.

      --
      The cost of that cleanup, of course, will be borne by taxpayers, not industry.
    3. Re:So they may be on Tesla's trail. And...? by ucblockhead · · Score: 1

      There are cases in the early 20th century where farmers stole power by rigging up systems using rolls of barbed wire under high capacity power lines.

      --
      The cake is a pie
    4. Re:So they may be on Tesla's trail. And...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's no "purported" about it; I've personally held a plain fluorescent bulb with no wires attached near a Tesla coil and SEEN it light up. Two problems with this method: (1) efficiency sucks, (2) can't turn things *off* if it's centralized.

    5. Re:So they may be on Tesla's trail. And...? by thule · · Score: 1

      He did succeed, we just call his wireless electricity "radio" and we measure it in microvolts.

    6. Re:So they may be on Tesla's trail. And...? by hedwards · · Score: 1

      I'd say it's a good bet that he succeeded in some form, if you're talking about a short enough distance and can tolerate a low enough efficiency, it's not that much different than some of the inventions that he's gotten credit for. He definitely knew about and worked with induction which is usually what this sort of technology is based upon.

      I'd say that it's also a good bet that whatever he managed was impressive by the standards of the day, but of no lasting significance. Most likely he managed to light a small lightbulb from a few inches away using way too much electricity.

    7. Re:So they may be on Tesla's trail. And...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I heard that one, and I heard they made it illegal, just like pirating WiFi from unsecured routers.

    8. Re:So they may be on Tesla's trail. And...? by conureman · · Score: 1

      I thought we were talking about the wireless power transmission? Tesla used a lower frequency that resonated the planet with power, you'd have to tune to that frequency to tap it, but you could do it anywhere. The radio thing was just fooling around, Marconi ended up developing that, (and tried to steal the credit). The "Tesla coil" spoken of is middling high frequency, and I think Steinmetz kind of did most of the final work in that part of the spectrum, at least as far as wired power transmission is concerned. Tesla also fooled around with sound frequency phenomena but really his main interest was in the planet's resonant frequency somewhere around 30-40 Hz as near as I can recall. That's where you could transmit like fairly unlimited current if you wanted. Imagine no unsightly power lines criss-crossing the continent...

      --
      The cost of that cleanup, of course, will be borne by taxpayers, not industry.
    9. Re:So they may be on Tesla's trail. And...? by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      Wow, that's some impressive crackpottery you've got going on there.

      If the "resonant frequency of the planet" was 30-40Hz, then ghetto blastas be causin earfquakes, yo. The resonant frequency of an object is mostly determined by its size, such that internally reflected energy on a given frequency experiences positive feedback because it's exactly in phase. Frequency = Phase speed / Wavelength, and I have no idea what the speed of electromagnetic radiation through the earth is, but using the speed of light (which will likely give us a higher value for f) gives us 0.023Hz. So you're only about 3 orders of magnitude off. That's a 43 second period, by the way. I'll go ahead and let you look up things like rms power and antenna theory, but suffice to say that the idea is impractical on its own, and resonance adds nothing to help out there.

      To the poster about farmers above, what that essentially does (besides presenting a huge safety/fire risk) is basically create a transformer, with the lines above acting as the primary winding and the barbed wire as the secondary. It creates a load on the system which can easily be measured, no different than tapping into the grid with physical connections. That said, it's still inefficient, because for omnidirectional transmissions, received power = 1/d^2, so at just 20 meters you're getting 0.0025 * P. That's why radio stations broadcast in MegaWatts, and why the only practical wireless power devices to date (like cell phone chargers) require you to place the device on a pad which might as well be wired, with the slight advantage that there's no contact pads to wear out.

    10. Re:So they may be on Tesla's trail. And...? by conureman · · Score: 1

      I am not an electrical engineer, obviously, but the precise frequency IIRC used by Tesla's oscillator WAS somewhere in the 30-40 Hz range. That's obviously just some multiple of the actual resonating frequency of the planet, which would be quite low. BTW Tesla did make a small audio oscillator which almost took down a building before he shut it off, yo. If you know about AC transformers (or music) then you know that the primary and secondary coils must be tuned to complement each other. If you look at all of Tesla's patents, then you'll see things that you might recognise from the old Universal Pictures' Frankenstein movies. The spinning disc thingie with the copper contacts was an interrupter/oscillator which when rotated fed a high Hz pulse into the primary coil which was tuned to a frequency which then induced a (higher frequency) current in the secondary coil. Great for visual effects, but too much loss for much practical use. IIRC the losses are less at the lower frequencies. The principal of the Colorado Springs and Wardenclyffe installations was to induce a tuned charge into the earth which could be tapped into by a properly tuned receiver. Elementary, Watson. Radio is some impressive crackpottery too, just different frequency. I had some cool books published in Belgrade back in the seventies that were of Tesla's Colorado Springs Notes, and his Patent Wrappers, but he had a bad habit of incomplete documentation so his results have eluded the engineers thus far. If smart people like you were working on it instead the tinfoil hat crowd, It would probably be up and running by now. yo.

      --
      The cost of that cleanup, of course, will be borne by taxpayers, not industry.
  22. What would it do to my hand ... by Alain+Williams · · Score: 1

    if I placed it between the 2 units ? I'm not sure that I like the sound of that. Got kids, how long would they survive before being cooked ?

    1. Re:What would it do to my hand ... by Cyko_01 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      nothing, it uses magnetic resonance, like an MRI machine. Are your hands magnetic?

  23. Suddenly déjà vu, by Icegryphon · · Score: 1

    A mysterious explosion happens in Tunguska again.
    Run for the hills Siberians!

  24. Nothing compared to Duracell's new technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Duracell has invested millions of dollars in wireless power transmitters. These transmitters are about two and a half inches long (6.33 centimeters). One of the transmitters can put out 10 watt-hours, while another type can be daisy-chained to easily produce over 100 volts.

    They're constantly improving the technology; Units are usually at least 75%-85% efficient. And they are not affected by the inverse-square law. It's pretty interesting stuff.

  25. Re:Unfortunately? That's really good efficiency by Chuckstar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You'd be hard pressed to measure the line loss of a standard copper wire over two feet. It's probably like 99% efficient, if not higher.

  26. stupid idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    great way to increase your carbon footprint, just to save 2 bucks for an extension cord!! BB

  27. That's not how it was! by Schickeneder · · Score: 1

    Umm I'm sorry, but when in Star Trek did they "beam" as a means of power transmission. Give me an episode reference or it didn't happen.

    There will be consumer demand. Marketing departments come up with clever ways of making people think they NEED the new technology. Honestly how many people can actually tell the difference between RGB, YPbPr component and HDMI? or 6 HDMI ports in one TV, because more is better.

    1. Re:That's not how it was! by masmullin · · Score: 1

      Season 6 episode 25. Timescape

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timescape_%28Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation%29

      you owe me beer.

    2. Re:That's not how it was! by camperdave · · Score: 1

      Original Series, episode 53. When Kirk and the gang try to sever M5's power in order to regain control of the ship, M5 sets up a power beam to draw energy directly from the matter/anti-matter reactors.

      Now, where are my six hundred quatloos?

      --
      When our name is on the back of your car, we're behind you all the way!
  28. Here's a demo of it by cwiegmann24 · · Score: 1
  29. 100 years later.. by waveformwafflehouse · · Score: 2, Informative
  30. Lossless... by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 1

    ...on rootkit transmission.
    Who pwns you? Sony!

    --
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. - Voltaire
  31. Re:Japanese IQ and European IQ by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

    Oh please, not this tripe again.

    For one thing, your invention list is severely flawed. Many things which you say were invented by one group were actually invented by someone else and then developed or refined by another. The Japanese didn't invent hybrids; locomotive and heavy construction equipment makers have been using diesel-electric powertrains for decades.

    You're also forgetting the Arabs and algebra and various other things (granted, this was back around 1000 AD, not recently when they've been too busy fighting with each other and everyone else to do anything productive).

    A quick google search for "african inventions" yields the following website:
    http://teacher.scholastic.com/activities/bhistory/inventors/

    Did you know the carbon filament in light bulbs was invented by an African-American?
    Or that peanut butter was invented by famous African-American George Washington Carver?
    Garrett Morgan invented the gas mask and the first traffic signal.
    Otis Boykin invented the pacemaker, among other electronic devices.
    And Lonnie G. Johnson invented the all-important Super Soaker.

    The reasons for the African continent's problems are explained in Jared Diamond's "Guns, Germs and Steel", and has a lot to do with geography making agriculture much easier in Europe than in Africa, causing Europe to develop faster technologically.

    What have you invented? Probably nothing.

  32. Re:Unfortunately? That's really good efficiency by evanbd · · Score: 4, Informative

    A typical lightweight power cord is 16 AWG. 60 Watts (assuming good power factor correction) is 0.5 A. 16 AWG wire is ~ 4 mOhm/ft. So 4 ft of wire (2 ft cord, supply and return) is 16 mOhm. That means you're losing 8 mV of your supply voltage, or 4 mW of power. That's about 99.993% efficient.

    You have to get significantly longer extension cord and put a lot more current through it before the power loss is relevant. Even if you used a 12 ft cord, and drew a rather significant 4A, that's still only 1.5W out of 480, or 99.7% efficient. And most extension cords are 14 AWG or thicker.

  33. only 1/5 loss wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That is excellent for wireless power considering my Tesla Coil has more than a 70% loss

  34. This would be great by ShooterNeo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Forget the Sony jokes for a minute. I can think of a great use for this technology : recharging smartphones!

    Essentially, if they can miniaturize the receiver coils sufficiently enough, you could pack them so that they are integrated inside the batteries used in a smartphone. (yes, yes, it is somewhat inconvenient to swap the battery in certain Apple phones...)

    Imagine the possibilities. You could have one of these transmitters in your car, plugged into the cigarette lighter and stuck between the driver's seat and the cupholders. Another could be on top of your nightstand in your bedroom, or wherever you tend to toss your keys, wallet, and phone at the end of the day. A third one would be in your office on your desk.

    If the range is enough (100 centimeters or so) your phone would get recharged while it's still in your pocket! You'd never have to remember to plug it in, and you would be able to use the various power sucking features (games, turn by turn GPS, etc) all you wanted and would almost never run out of battery. It would neatly solve the battery problems with the current generation of smart-phones without having to make the phones bulkier or heavier.

    Problems :

    1. The receiver coil might take up too much space inside the phone.
    2. The range might not be 100 centimeters due to various scaling laws
    3. The electromagnetic charging fields might cause biological tissue damage, making it dangerous to use while in your pocket. It might interfere with pacemakers.
    4. The fields might wipe credit cards or interfere with electronics in your car or office.

    But if these problems aren't that bad, or can be avoided somehow, it would be great!

    1. Re:This would be great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a wireless charger for Palm Pre

    2. Re:This would be great by rgo · · Score: 1

      your phone would get recharged while it's still in your pocket!

      letting sony recharge my phone while it's in my pocket!?

      i'm sorry sir, but my balls don't need to be more warm than they usually are.

    3. Re:This would be great by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 1

      The range is so short that the Pre must be placed on the wireless charger. That's quite a bit different to 50cm (which is still to short, I think).

    4. Re:This would be great by ShooterNeo · · Score: 1

      LOL. MOD parent up!

  35. magnets and electronics by Cyko_01 · · Score: 1

    great idea! magnets and electronics always get along well

  36. Great! Only they're 110 years late by Faulkner39 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Nikola Tesla invented wireless electricity transfer at the turn of the 20th (yes, 20th) century. He was trying to prototype it by constructing what was called the Wardenclyffe Tower. Of course, everyone during that time thought he was a nut and the funding ran out.

    Tesla is a candidate for the title of "smartest person who ever lived," and without him we probably would not have alternating current, which probably means we would get zapped much more often from our PCs (or "PMFs", i.e. Personal MainFrames). Now, considering the way society neglects its heroes of innovation, just watch Sony finish this and claim to have brought "wireless power" to the world, without ever having mentioned Tesla. "Oh yeah, him? Well we figured this out on our own. We just read a lot of these old books on magnetic resonance and pieced it all together. So smart is we!"

  37. Whats the difference with Witricity by intiha · · Score: 1

    So I am not sure what the difference is between Sony's technology and Witricity (http://www.witricity.com/). To refresh, these were guys at MIT who discovered that magnetic resonance, instead of induction (used in toothbrush etc), can be used for quite efficient short distance power conversion. They quote getting > 90% at 1m through their system. This has also been demo-ed at TED and many other places. The question is, wasnt their technology (witricity) patented? If so, how did sony get to demo something so similar? if not, it would be interesting to know the difference.

  38. Re:Japanese IQ and European IQ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just two hints: population size and literacy rate.

  39. Re:Unfortunately? That's really good efficiency by Arthur+Grumbine · · Score: 1

    This is impressive efficiency.

    50cm is still too short though, so let's see if the efficiency remains workable as distance increases (square law).

    IDK, according to a square law you could just move it farther away from the source to get more power

    :-P

    --
    Now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure everything I just said is completely wrong.
  40. Re:One Word by conureman · · Score: 1

    Yeah, I wonder what the losses are if you charge the earth. Distance wouldn't matter then. Maybe we could build some wooden transmission towers near the generators at Niagara falls or something...

    --
    The cost of that cleanup, of course, will be borne by taxpayers, not industry.
  41. A bit of poetry by Labarna · · Score: 1

    "But I killed the galoot when he started to shoot electricity into my walls." Robert Service (The Ballad of Pious Pete is an excellent poem)

  42. I'll stick to wires, thanks. by argent · · Score: 1

    People have been demonstrating variations on this for over a century, since Tesla shorted out the city of Colorado Springs.

    It's still largely a solution looking for a problem. There's some areas where this kind of thing is both safe and useful, but they're pretty specialized. Charging or powering personal electronics isn't one of those areas.

  43. Resonant frequency by conureman · · Score: 1

    Fortunately this isn't using the same method, so there's no risk of charging the planet.

    --
    The cost of that cleanup, of course, will be borne by taxpayers, not industry.
  44. Re:Great! Only they're 110 years late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "without him we probably would not have alternating current"

    Just because something was invented first by someone, doesn't mean someone else wouldn't have figured it out later without them. That's like saying if Joe Caveman hadn't invented fire we would still be eating raw food.

  45. Not invented here... by WidgetGuy · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hmmm, let's see: "electricity through the air." Where have I heard that before? Oh, that's right. Lightning.

    --
    One "Aw, Shit!" is worth 100 "Ata boys!"
  46. Roomba example is spot on (now with numbers!) by Mike_EE_U_of_I · · Score: 1

    That is why this kind of technology _saves_ power. Yes, the TV is better off with the power cord. But the Roomba, your TV remote, and anything else that uses a battery, would save enormously by using this.

        Let's do the math on a Roomba.

        The latest Roombas uses $90 NiMh battery packs that store 3 ampHours at 14.4 Volts. I just had to replace some of mine. I estimate I got about 250 charge cycles out of them.

    3 Amphours * 14.4 Volts = 43.2 watt hours * 1KwH/1000 Watts/Hour = 0.0432 Kwh is stored each cycle

    0.0432 KwH * 250 cycles in useful life = 10.8 KwH in useful life

    $90 / 10.8 KwH = $8.33 / KwH

        The battery is imposing an additional storage cost of $8.33 per Kilowatt hour of electricity.

        Contrasting wired power versus battery stored power (where electricity costs 20 cents per Kilowatt, which is what I pay), we get:

    0.20 ($/KwH wired))/8.53($/KwH batery + electricity) = 0.023

        In other words, the battery system is only 2.3% as cost efficient as the wired system. Or flip it around if you like, the battery system costs 42.65 times as much per KwH as the wired system.

        Now comes along this wireless power system. It could lose 95% of the transmitted power, and it would still be twice as cost effective as the wired + battery system. For a Roomba, they do need to solve the 2 foot range, but they can give up a HUGE amount of efficiency and still destroy using a battery.

        I neglected power cycle losses in the battery, because the wireless power is so stunningly better it doesn't really matter. If you included those losses, you would probably only need a 2% effective system to be cost effective with the battery.

        The moral is that this is a great technology, but a TV is a lousy example. Anything that uses batteries is a great example.

  47. Not gonna happen by Ancient_Hacker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    All this "broadcasting power" stuff is not going to fly.

    All the schemes that have been tried by Tesla and latecomers don't have a chance. Either they're spewing out energy, which goes down in intensity as the square of the distance, or they're like Sony, and making big air-core transformers, where the fields go down as the CUBE of the distance. You'll notice it takes a 40cm coil to send power 50cm. And so on.

    Then there's the problem with all the scattered energy that does not end up in the receiving device. We're talking many watts of power. Microwave ovens are only allowed to leak a thousandth of a watt-- no national safety agency is going to allow ten thousand times that much power wandering around our houses. Yes, the power couples somewhat weakly to flesh, but it's still a lot of power to be bathing in 24/7.

    1. Re:Not gonna happen by Agripa · · Score: 1

      Either they're spewing out energy, which goes down in intensity as the square of the distance, or they're like Sony, and making big air-core transformers, where the fields go down as the CUBE of the distance.

      Hmmmmm. I wonder what happens when you accidentally create a shorted turn in proximity to the transmitter.

    2. Re:Not gonna happen by kmac06 · · Score: 1

      no national safety agency is going to allow ten thousand times that much power wandering around our houses

      Uh oh, someone better tell the FCC about this invention!

    3. Re:Not gonna happen by Ancient_Hacker · · Score: 1

      Ah, yes, windows. One thousand watts per square yard.

      Are we not cautioned to put on sun-screen?
      And wear UV-blocking sunglasses to avoid cataracts?

      I don't think UL has domain over the Sun.

  48. fun times ahead by Tumbleweed · · Score: 1

    Put this in the center of the roads, and power your electric vehicle without a huge battery bank required. Even more efficient because you won't have to be using electricity to haul around 500kg (or however much) of batteries.

    Someday.

    Tesla would be proud.

  49. Re:Japanese IQ and European IQ by greentshirt · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Even if one ignored all the rest of the bigoted idiocy in your post, you still forgot what they teach you in almost every first year research methods class: correlation does not imply causation. Furthermore, even though I'm sure you couldn't produce a peer reviewed study that backs up your asinine assertions, such a study would be asinine in and of itself because an IQ test is something that has been widely challenge in regards to legitimacy in gauging intelligence, and is highly culturally biased. Are you going to start talking about dianetics or eugenics next? Lets skip that and just ask for Obama's birth certificate already. I guess what I'm trying to say is, if you need to cling on to ethnicity or racial background for a sense of self, and allowing it to define you, you're basically stating that the most significant, most important thing about you is something you had absolutely no control over; yet it is more significant and more important than all of your life achievements. In conclusion, you're a tool.

  50. Done Before by Vegemeister · · Score: 1

    Ive seen some posts about this being a rehash of Tesla's wireless power transfer scheme. This is false. While this technology was pioneered by Nikola Tesla, it is much older than his scheme for wireless power transfer. This is a tesla coil. A tesla coil, essentially, is two LC circuits resonant at the same frequency with magnetic coupling between the inductors. The impedance of an LC resonant circuit is given by sqrt(L/C). The resonant frequency is given by 1/(2*pi*sqrt(L*C)). The primary tank has more capacitance, while the secondary has more inductance. Because they are resonant at the same frequency, magnetic coupling transfers energy from the primary to the secondary. Because the secondary has much greater impedance than the primary, the same energy sloshing about in the secondary sloshes with much greater voltage and much lesser current. This 'technology' appears to work in much the same way. The only difference is that the ratio of primary impedance to secondary impedance is chosen so that the secondary voltage is suitable for the appliance being powered. Because the diameter of the coils is small relative to the wavelength of EM radiation at the resonant frequency, little energy is radiated. The inefficiency occurs because the resonant tanks circuits must have relatively high Q factor. Thus, the circulating currents are large compared to the real power transferred. Note that the resonant capacitors must be rated for very large rms current. Also this is [I]not[/I] 'magnetic' resonance. This is an air-core transformer with power factor correction!

  51. Re:Japanese IQ and European IQ by shentino · · Score: 1

    I think that IQ, like money, tends to be a dividing factor between the haves and have nots.

    Those who go to college tend to be prepared to get high enough paying jobs to make sure that their kids go to college, whereas the poor tend to stay poor since they can't afford to pass on the tradition of getting a degree.

    Seeing as africans were once considered mere slaves, and thus excluded from the vast majority of societal benefits enjoyed by the white man, I'm not surprised that they're still crippled from ages of discrimination and slavery.

    Kinda like how a fire doesn't spontaneously revive even if you let it dry from the bucket of water you poured on it.

  52. Free WiElectricity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Great some day I'll be able to leach electricity off of my neighbor's apartment just like WiFi!

  53. We have free energy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Over at area 51, s-4 and other locations. We've had this for over 50 years, but the corprocracy chooses to not distribute it to us because they can make so much more money on oil and fossil fuels.

    Don't believe me? Where is the multi-trillions of dollars spent on black projects going? On many flying vehcles that use this type of energy.

    1. Re:We have free energy. by hamburgler007 · · Score: 1

      Christ, I'm either feeding a troll or dealing with a conspiracy nut by responding to this but... How about instead of wild speculation actually providing some definitive proof of your claims.

  54. What warming? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    globalwarming please?

    What warming? Seriously! We are on a downturn right now. Now that the climateaudit guys figured out that the famous "hockey stick graph" data was cherry picked, you have to wonder what all the hype is about.

    cocksuckers. one side of the tech business is actively thinking "hmmm fossil fuels will be running out, WTF are we gonna do" whilst the other side goes "WOOOOOOOOOO! Wireless power! PARTY ON!"

    Ummm. We have plenty of oil (highest levels since 2000). A friend of mine recently sent me this link: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/24/business/energy-environment/24oil.html?hp

  55. Re:Japanese IQ and European IQ by obarthelemy · · Score: 1

    Well I don't know what race you are, but you weren't very lucky: but you have 2 nations inventing calculus...

    --
    The Cloud - because you don't care if your apps and data are up in the air.
  56. Very old news. Not students of Tesla obviously... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Didn't Nicola Tesla do this....mmmmm about 79 years ago? Wasn't it about.....mmmmm enough power to run an electric car? Wasn't its tested speed at least......mmmmm about 90 miles per hour? Isn't there a web site detailing the story.....mmmm somewhere here?

  57. Re:Very old news. Not students of Tesla obviously. by Vegemeister · · Score: 1

    What incredible bullshit!

  58. Tagged as "badtitle" by FiveDozenWhales · · Score: 1

    It doesn't send electricity through the air. It sends energy through the air, which is converted from/to electricity at either end.

  59. Re:Japanese IQ and European IQ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Saying that George Washington Carver invented peanut butter is selling him a bit short. His real achievement was promoting intelligent, chemically balanced crop rotation to the US South, which had been operating mostly on a brute force agricultural model, propped up by slave labor prior to that. Peanuts were just one of the soil restoring crops he promoted and peanut butter was just one of the products produced from them.

  60. Awesome stuff! by Denihil · · Score: 1

    1 1/2 feet? Perfect, i see some applications for that. Imagine having a electric car, parking it somewhere, and having the parking spot automatically charge your car. No wires, nothing that can be stolen, because the device is under half a foot of steel enclosure.

    --
    WÌÌfÍ--ÍSÌÒÍ...Í...ÌHÌÍfÍÍÍ--ÍÍÍ
  61. 22 inches by memnock · · Score: 2, Funny

    is hardly enough distance to reach more than 2 shoulder-to-shoulder people in a crowd. the govt's gonna want better range, and probably higher wattage, before they consider this for crowd control.

  62. Re:Great! Only they're 110 years late by laing · · Score: 1

    He also invented the polyphase AC motor (which powers pretty much the whole world) and the florescent light. Tesla is #1 on my list of people I would like to have met. It's really a shame that he had no business sense. Edison set us back years pushing his DC power system and claiming that Tesla's AC system was dangerous. Edison was an idiot and an asshole. Tesla was a true genius.

  63. Instant death not likely by iYk6 · · Score: 1

    It will kill you instantly. Fortunately, it comes with a special rubber sheath and stand, which you can use to wrap around the beam, therefore making sure that you can see it and don't touch it.

  64. Re:One Word by harlows_monkeys · · Score: 1

    Why do you think this has anything to do with Tesla? There is much more to electricity than even Tesla knew--and more than one way to transmit wireless power. Do you have any reason to think that out of all the different ways to do this, they are using the one Tesla experimented with?

  65. No doofus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No shit. This person is completely right.

    First, I strongly doubt they'll get beyond 80-85%. Especially in realistic environments, where the coils aren't expectec to be perfectly aligned. Secondly, the provided example (a TV set, of all things: something which can be harmlessly and conveniently fed by a classical power cord, with perhaps 99.995% efficienc) just conveys this message "PARTY!".

  66. Re:Lossless... MOD UP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Never forget, never forgive.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_rootkit

  67. Old news by misnohmer · · Score: 1

    Other companies have done this before. One which comes to mind is an MIT startup called Witricity - I caught their demo at least a year ago in the news and even on the unsuccessful US TV show Brink. Witricity [http://www.witricity.com] site has a bunch of information on the technology.

  68. Do you get tired of it? by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1

    I bet your get really tired of people constantly making "woosh" noises at you, don't you?

    WOOOSH!

    --

    MMO Quests are like orgasms:

    You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.

  69. This should be outlawed before it's available. by upuv · · Score: 1

    Honestly does anyone here think that walking around passing through "POWER" emitting stations I'll call them is a good idea?

    People have enough reservations with mobile phones and power lines over head.

    I know, I have a great idea. I'll combine the mobile and the power line into wireless power. There is no way people will object.

    Seriously people this is nuts. It's bad enough that the first desired usage is small devices and entertainment devices. Things that we literally put on our heads and near our crouches.

    Lets take two steps into the future shall we.
    ---
    Wireless power is now part of the land scape. It leaks only %5 now a vast improvement. I live a dream life where my toys are no longer burdened with the bulk of a battery. My phone is literally glued to my ear now. I have a flexable touch display wrapper around my left fore arm. I live in a geeks nirvana.

    Ah but the flip side. The companies that make these devices are cutting corners to save money. One theing they no longer have to worry about is low power consumption. Because they can literally use as much as they like and not worry about how big the battery is.

    So now our portable device have become power hungry machines. We have power broadcast stations everywhere. We are now walking around in a constant field of almost 1200 watts of broadcast em power.
    ----

    Does any one else now see how this is a STUPID idea? This is not a case of I'm afraid of new tech. I'm afraid of DUMB tech. And this ranks up there with the over priced black and white Kindle that cost more than an netbook kinda DUMB.

  70. Re:Japanese IQ and European IQ by SlashWombat · · Score: 1

    The thing about IQ is that slightly less than 50% of the worlds population has an IQ of less than 100 ... (how many of them post on /. ?)

  71. Can we tap that power to feed things? by cheros · · Score: 1

    As simple LEDs use next to nothing in the way of power, why isn't it possible to make something that picks up WiFi energy and powers an LED with it? It's been a while since I played with radio (decades, actually), but it can't be that hard. If we're walking around in 1200 Watt of broadcast power of which 90% I personally didn't ask fr I think it may be fun to use it for other purposes.

    A WiFi powered torch strikes as an interesting idea. As you can now get 1F capacitors you don't even need to be in the field all the time..

    --
    Insert .sig here. Send no money now. Owner may sue, contents will settle. Batteries not included.
  72. Re:Unfortunately? That's really good efficiency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most extension cords are actually 18 AWG. 16 AWG for the "heavy duty" variety. Good luck finding a 14 AWG extension cord anywhere except through a specialty store.

  73. Not news by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

    This is not only old, some people have been known to hyst power from overhead electric lines via coil in a barn. I'm not talking any sissy 100 volts, I'm talking enough to power a house. We went over this in physics class. Yawn Sony.

  74. You prove one of their points for them by Savior_on_a_Stick · · Score: 1

    I used to idly wonder if there was any significance to difference in intelligence metrics amongst different cultures.

    Then I found out that academics aren't even allowed to raise the question.

    Even pursuing research tangentially related research that has the *potential* of reaching a politically incorrect conclusion is a career death sentence.

    Enough so that no basic research has been done in years.

    1. Re:You prove one of their points for them by greentshirt · · Score: 1

      Firstly, don't make the mistake of equating culture with race.

      One of the most basic psychological perspectives is the crosscultural perspective. Psychologists learn from the very beginning that all results should be put into context against and compared to results from other cultures before deeming something as a universal human quality or trait.

      The simple fact of the matter is that if you take people of equal aptitude, education and experience from Europe, Africa, Japan, Canada, America and El Salvador, they will display very similar results, with variations in creativity and approach being accounted for by cultural and personal experiences rather than some kind of racial superiority.

      Hobbes, who was hardly a racial apologist, put it best: "Prudence is but experience, which equal time, equally bestows on all men, in those things they equally apply themselves unto."

  75. Re:Great! Only they're 110 years late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ummm your pc actually runs of DC. That's what the power supply does it converts the AC to DC to run all those neat gadgets in your box.

  76. this isn't sony's idea. by PieceofLavalamp · · Score: 1

    I saw a demonstration of this from MIT students. I'm pretty sure sony bought it, not developed.

    Video
    http://www.ted.com/talks/eric_giler_demos_wireless_electricity.html

    Site
    http://www.witricity.com/

  77. Could be improved by formfeed · · Score: 1
    It's the coil diameter to distance ratio that goes into the efficiency. If they bring the coils closer together, the efficiency will go up, possibly unhealthy EMR will go down, and they could even make the coils smaller and cheaper.

    -And then this technology will become really useful. Maybe some day we will be able to recharge electric toothbrushes without plugging them in.

  78. Hmmm. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    HAARP has been able to do this for years

  79. Re:Japanese IQ and European IQ by ajlisows · · Score: 1

    We know that African IQ is small than Japanese/European IQ by about 20 points. Can this large difference in IQ explain the gross failure of all societies dominated by Africans?

    News Flash: Africans score lower on tests designed by...well..... Americans and Europeans than well....Americans and Europeans do.

    If anything, African intelligence is stunted by poor nutrition from less than ideal agricultural conditions and spending more time worrying about survival than learning how to do logic problems. You can be assured that western societies would have problems if there was not enough usable soil to grow crops and raise animals. Ignoring these important factors to declare Africans intellectually inferior is just plain racism.

  80. Encryption? by marciot · · Score: 1

    Does this come with WPA encryption so my neighbors can't use my wireless electricity? Or does it come with a "surge" button so I can fry whomever is illegally stealing my power?

  81. Re:Unfortunately? That's really good efficiency by jeffstar · · Score: 1

    there are plugs at both ends which can offer some resistance, probably more than the wire itself.

  82. Re:Japanese IQ and European IQ by sonicmerlin · · Score: 1

    Have you ever even taken a course on human intelligence? "legitimacy in gauging intelligence"? Seriously? It`s true that creativity loses its correlation with intelligence after about 120, but your assertion that the results are "culturally biased" to such a degree that it accounts for the huge differences between Africans and other races is ridiculous. We`re talking about averages well below the 120 mark.

    Furthermore, Obama is only half African American. Even more so, African Americans` IQ in the US is on average 10 points higher than those in Africa, most likely due to a long history of intermixing with whites.

    And I`m really tired of hearing the `correlation does not equal causation` meme. Studies on IQ go to great lengths to control for external variables. Statistical methods are used to eliminate factors that skew results. Moreover, repeated findings of correlation between race and various attributes (which you would learn about if you took a class on human intelligence) can imply a relationship. Otherwise every freaking study every conducted would be unable to draw hypotheses based on correlative data.

  83. Re:Japanese IQ and European IQ by StrongGlad · · Score: 1

    Google "Newton" and "Leibniz" (at the same time)

  84. This already exists .... by freaker_TuC · · Score: 1

    -And then this technology will become really useful. Maybe some day we will be able to recharge electric toothbrushes without plugging them in.

    Check out the Panasonic Sonic Max ES 8023SC eclectic shaver, Braun Oral B and Sonicare electric toothbrush and many more products with induction charging pads.

    Just put the shaver or toothbrush on the pad and it'll recharge without being in touch with any electric contact.

    --
    --- I am known for the ones who want to find me on the net. Is that a privacy risk or a privilege? One might wonder..
  85. Re:Japanese IQ and European IQ by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

    Sorry, I was just going by the tiny bit of text on that site, which definitely didn't talk about all this. Thanks for the info.

  86. Re:Japanese IQ and European IQ by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    you still forgot what they teach you in almost every first year research methods class: correlation does not imply causation.

    Correlation does imply causation. It doesn't prove it. It doesn't tell you in which direction said causality acts (Does A cause B, or does B cause A), nor whether it's caused by some external unmeasured factor(s) (C causes A and B).

    Pity you didn't make it to the second year of your community college course in kumbayology.

    --
    Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  87. Re:Japanese IQ and European IQ by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    Furthermore, we're talking averages. I don't feel inferior to members of those races that (on average) score higher than whites[1], nor do I assume I'm automatically superior to members of those that (on average) score lower than us.

    [1] or whatever the PC term for Northern Europeans is.

    --
    Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  88. Re:Japanese IQ and European IQ by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    Except there are numerous examples in recent times of discrimination in favour of negroes. If there's a pasty ginger kid's college fund then they need a new publicity director.

    --
    Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  89. Exactly, & VERY GOOD on your part by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Nikola Tesla invented wireless electricity transfer at the turn of the 20th (yes, 20th) century. He was trying to prototype it by constructing what was called the Wardenclyffe Tower. Of course, everyone during that time thought he was a nut and the funding ran out.

    Tesla is a candidate for the title of "smartest person who ever lived,"" - by Faulkner39 (955290) on Friday October 02, @05:55PM (#29621703)

    See subject-line above, in regards to that which I quoted from you - you are correct, & IF I could dispense "mod points"? I'd have modded you up as informative, putting you @ the +5 "aax" mark, but, because I post as "A/C", as you can see, I cannot... so, I will leave you with a "good job".

    (He's (TESLA) one of my personal "intellectual heroes", actually - you have to admire someone like that I figure...)

    APK

    P.S.=> He gave us the "Tesla Coil" (which powers much of our modern electrical civilization & we wouldn't have it without it), Alternating Current, and yes - wireless power (though George Westinghouse didn't like it, being the capitalist he was of course & out to make a buck, because he couldn't "bill" it), radio (iirc, Tesla was awarded this over Marconi, posthumously), & "the Tesla bladeless turbine" (iirc, this is what it is called) which powers pumps & gets MORE EFFICIENT the heavier the material you pass/pump thru it, no less - & probably more I am NOT 'touching on' here... like the "charged particle beam" for instance (a weapon).

    Tesla was that "once in a generation mind" that comes along, along with being one heck of a "hacker/experimentor"... apk