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Clean Smells Promote Ethical Behavior

A recent study is suggesting that moral behavior may be encouraged with nothing more than clean smells. The Brigham Young University professor found a "dramatic improvement in ethical behavior with just a few spritzes of citrus-scented Windex." "The researchers see implications for workplaces, retail stores and other organizations that have relied on traditional surveillance and security measures to enforce rules. Perhaps the findings could be applied at home, too, Liljenquist said with a smile. 'Could be that getting our kids to clean up their rooms might help them clean up their acts, too.' The study titled "The Smell of Virtue" was unusually simple and conclusive. Participants engaged in several tasks, the only difference being that some worked in unscented rooms, while others worked in rooms freshly spritzed with Windex."

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  1. Smells like Mom is angry again. by Mononoke · · Score: 5, Funny

    You know she only cleans this thoroughly when she's angry, so we'd damn well better behave until this blows over.

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    1. Re:Smells like Mom is angry again. by MrEricSir · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      And if you go to Brigham Young, the problem is a lot worse -- you've got several mothers to worry about.

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    2. Re:Smells like Mom is angry again. by FiloEleven · · Score: 1

      They're almost as bad as the AC's ;)

    3. Re:Smells like Mom is angry again. by gd2shoe · · Score: 1

      I can think of few ways to be more completely ostracized than to attend BYU while promoting the practice of polygamy.

      Stop trolling, please.

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  2. This is BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I call bs...whenever an attractive woman walks by smelling like she just stepped out of the shower I have only immoral thoughts.

    1. Re:This is BS by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 1

      But how do you behave? Lewd comments and gestures?

    2. Re:This is BS by jollyreaper · · Score: 2, Funny

      I call bs...whenever an attractive woman walks by smelling like she just stepped out of the shower I have only immoral thoughts.

      The summary is talking about ethics. They said nothing about moral relativity. :)

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    3. Re:This is BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But how do you behave? Lewd comments and gestures?

      Immorally moral?

    4. Re:This is BS by R2.0 · · Score: 1

      "I call bs...whenever an attractive woman walks by smelling like she just stepped out of the shower I have only immoral thoughts."

      Funny - when an attractive woman walks by who smells like she just came from getting laid, my thoughts are...more immoral.

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    5. Re:This is BS by PachmanP · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "I call bs...whenever an attractive woman walks by smelling like she just stepped out of the shower I have only immoral thoughts."

      Funny - when an attractive woman walks by who smells like she just came from getting laid, my thoughts are...more immoral.

      Let's be honest, when an attractive woman walks by smelling like anything I have immoral thoughts, and I doubt I'm the only one...

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    6. Re:This is BS by amplt1337 · · Score: 1

      Anything?
      Personally I don't care how hot you look, if you smell like an unwashed goat with an intestinal infection, I ain't buying.

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    7. Re:This is BS by radtea · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I call bs...whenever an attractive woman walks by smelling like she just stepped out of the shower I have only immoral thoughts.

      Really? That's extremely weird. When that happens to me I think about how much fun it would be to chat her up, get her naked and have wildly good sex with her.

      What kind of immoral thoughts do you have? Do you feel sudden urges to restrict people's freedom of expression? Do you want to ban abortion? Or deprive people of life, liberty or property without due process of law?

      And how on earth does an attractive women stimulate these thoughts? Or are they of the all-too-common immoral variety that she should be stoned to death for being more autonomous than you are comfortable with?

      It is deeply sad that an attractive woman should stimulate immoral thoughts, rather than healthy and moral sexual desire.

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    8. Re:This is BS by that+IT+girl · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Do you want to ban abortion? Or deprive people of life, liberty or property without due process of law?"

      Not to go off-topic, but these things are mutually exclusive...

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    9. Re:This is BS by Spazztastic · · Score: 1

      Anything?
      Personally I don't care how hot you look, if you smell like an unwashed goat with an intestinal infection, I ain't buying.

      That's my fetish, you insensitive clod!

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    10. Re:This is BS by Migraineman · · Score: 1

      My typical response is a sneezing fit followed by watering eyes and gagging. Just about any fragrance causes this reaction, including the "nice" ones. Makes me want to vandalize the scent dispenser.

    11. Re:This is BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you're that sniffly, watery-eyed, red-nosed loser in the room, who always complains about his "allergies" or belly aches or lack of appetite or this and that?

      Based on your nickname, Migraineman, you sound like a real hypochondriac. Quit crying for attention and man the fuck up.

  3. But... by brian0918 · · Score: 1, Funny

    But what if the task I'm assigned to do is to rob a bank? Does the spritz of Windex make my action ethical?

    1. Re:But... by roguetrick · · Score: 2, Funny

      If your job is a bank robber, sure.

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    2. Re:But... by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It depends on which of the ethical schools you're subscribing to.

      Mill's utilitarianism model states that the best choice is the one that provides the most benefit for the most people. In terms of bank robbery, robbing a bank is highly ethical. The robber gets some money, that money gets spent, and a large trickle-down impacts the local economy. The bank is insured so they don't lose any money. The customers and tellers get some excitement and a story to tell for years. "Hey, did I ever tell you about the time I was in a bank robbery?"

      Kant's formal duty-based ethics means that you have to follow courses of action that are acceptable as universal principles for everyone to follow. Further, it is your INTENTION to follow the mores rather than your actions. Good will is the desire and intention to do one's duty. If your duty is to rob a bank, then robbing a bank is highly ethical. If they didn't expect you to rob it, they wouldn't spend all that time and money on robbery countermeasures.

      Locke's rights-based ethics gives you rights based solely by your existence. The maximum possible liberty and happiness are fundamental; all other rights flow out of these basic ones. You are restricting the rights of the robbed in the bank, but as long as you are not taking their personal possessions (with the temporary exception of cell phones) you aren't treading on their rights significantly.

      Finally, Aristotle's virtue ethics states that the goodness of an act or object depends on its function. A "good" knife cuts well; a "good" chair is comfy. So, a "good" bank robber is one that robs banks.

      Reference:
      Andrews, Gordon. Canadian Professional Engineering and Geoscience: Practice and Ethics. Thomson Nelson, 2005. (pp. 126 - 130)

      (It didn't seem right to not specify a source on this one.)

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    3. Re:But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Mill's utilitarianism model states that the best choice is the one that provides the most benefit for the most people. In terms of bank robbery, robbing a bank is highly ethical. The robber gets some money, that money gets spent, and a large trickle-down impacts the local economy. The bank is insured so they don't lose any money. The customers and tellers get some excitement and a story to tell for years. "Hey, did I ever tell you about the time I was in a bank robbery?"

      If you quantify the cost to society of the insurance settlement and the economic rent burden of the diminished faith in the security of the bank, you'll find that it greatly outweighs the benefits to the robber.

      A much better example would be stealing a piece of art from a museum. Assuming the piece is not destroyed and remains in circulation, eventually finding it's way back to the museum circuit, the robber may have actually added value. With some objects, like famous jewels, almost all of their value is in their history. The Hope Diamond is one-tenth the size of the current largest diamond in the world (found in 1985), but it is a much greater tourist attraction because of it's "cursed" history.

    4. Re:But... by Ihmhi · · Score: 0, Redundant

      You must be great fun at parties.

    5. Re:But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Despite possibly going offtopic, I didn't realize Mill's model for utilitarianism was still considered a viable ethical school. It is definitely a fallacy of the broken window; the insurance company winds up footing the bill, which means the stockholders and general insurance subscribers are suffering ill-effect. Then again, the whole Cash for Clunkers debaucle was considered to be a wildly successful "incentive to promote ethics" despite the absolute destruction of overall wealth. If I believed in mandating things, I should think I'd believe in mandating everyone take at least 6 hours of ethics/philosophy classes before being allowed to enter the workforce.

    6. Re:But... by Whiteox · · Score: 0, Troll

      It depends on which of the ethical schools you're subscribing to.

      You forgot Moses. Can't place my hands on the source, but it has something to do with not stealing.

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    7. Re:But... by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      In that case a nice mix of pulverized fresh dollar bills, gun polish, a hint of luxurious shoe or marble polish, in a base of your favorite alcoholic drink, should help. :)

      If you like to go for more action, one can add a bit of blood, sweat, tears and gunpowder.

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    8. Re:But... by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      You have thought about robbing a bank more than once, have you? ^^

      Locke's rights-based ethics [...]

      You don't mean that Locke, do you?

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    9. Re:But... by syousef · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In terms of bank robbery, robbing a bank is highly ethical. The robber gets some money, that money gets spent, and a large trickle-down impacts the local economy. The bank is insured so they don't lose any money. The customers and tellers get some excitement and a story to tell for years. "Hey, did I ever tell you about the time I was in a bank robbery?

      I guess you've never heard of post traumatic stress? Or people getting killed in botched bank robberies? Or the fact that the money does come from somewhere. Bank insurance premiums go up, security is tightened, and they pass on the costs to customers.

      Anything can be argued, but this argument doesn't stand up to any kind of rational scrutiny.

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    10. Re:But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The utilitarianism model is bunk in the sense you can't know what it would say, because that model requires you to be able to not only quantify happiness, but to also see all possible outcomes and quantify happiness there (and what happens if there is significant unhappiness currently that later turns into more happiness?).

      One could equally argue that if the ethical model really did encourage bank robbing, then everyone would rob banks. Thus, the insurance companies would quickly lose money/stop insuring banks. Banks could no longer be in business and thus close. All this job loss and inability to provide debt would quickly destroy the economy and lead to severe depression. Thus the long term effect, if utilitarianism were to suggest bank robbing is good, would be negative, thus by its own logical rules, it must suggest that bank robbing is unethical.

      More importantly, you're assuming that the "trickle-down" impact of bank robbing will positively affect the economy which is a humongous assumption. You are assuming:
          1. The bank robbers can better distribute wealth than the bank/insurance company
          2. The bank robbers will indeed actually spend their loot (remember - spending lots of money after a bank robbery is the quickest way to get arrested)
          3. Trickle down economics is a proven theory
          4. You are ignoring that this isn't even trickle-down economics in this case; you are re-distributing wealth, not generating it.

      Paraphrasing my philosophy teacher: they all get a lot of things right and a lot of things wrong. If you take the overlap of what each theory would recommend, you are more likely to be right than wrong.

    11. Re:But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except the bank pays insurance premiums and we pay bank fees, subtracting that very same money from the economy.

    12. Re:But... by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      It depends on which of the ethical schools you're subscribing to.

      You forgot Moses. Can't place my hands on the source, but it has something to do with not stealing.

      That one has long since been deprecated.

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    13. Re:But... by Whiteox · · Score: 1

      What's that got to do with Bible ethics? A reference to stealing I suppose?
      I don't think that the 10 Commandments has been deprecated. A lot of people do follow them.

      And why pray tell, did someone mod me troll?

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    14. Re:But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're Mormons so they're using the magical plate and mystical underwear model of ethics.

    15. Re:But... by daem0n1x · · Score: 1

      There's a Portuguese saying that goes like this:

      Ladrão que rouba ladrão tem 100 anos de perdão.

      A thief who robs a thief has pardon for 100 years.

    16. Re:But... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      In English, the adjective goes before the noun. So these days it's robber bank.

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    17. Re:But... by skeeto · · Score: 1

      Considering that the same book promotes slavery and rape (Numbers 31), human trafficking (Exodus 21:7), killing people who don't share your religious beliefs (Exodus 35:2), it can hardly be considered any sort of ethical guide. We have much better systems today.

    18. Re:But... by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'd *just* read some Stainless Steel Rat stories, so give me a break.

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    19. Re:But... by operagost · · Score: 0, Troll

      We certainly do. Now we have governments who enslave, rape, and kill those who dissent.

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    20. Re:But... by Whiteox · · Score: 1

      That's probably because they model their ethics on the Bible.

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    21. Re:But... by gd2shoe · · Score: 1

      Give me a break.

      "Bank", in this context, describes the type of robber. "Robber" isn't the adjective. If anything, "bank" is the adjective. (There's probably another term that applies better here. I'm not an English major.)

      If you really want to split hairs over his grammar, you'd interpret it as saying his contractual obligation is to assassinate, spy on, or steal from a bank robber. The actions of the job itself would need to be supplied contextually (and aren't) and would be done to (or for) a bank robber. Examples:

      If your job is bank robbery, sure.

      If your job is to be a bank robber, sure.

      If your job is working as a bank robber, sure.

      To rephrase the issue: the job itself isn't a bank robber. A person accomplishing the job is a bank robber. The sentence as originally structured is nonsensical.

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    22. Re:But... by dacut · · Score: 1

      Give me a break. "Bank", in this context, describes the type of robber. "Robber" isn't the adjective.

      Whooosh!

    23. Re:But... by gd2shoe · · Score: 1

      I've reread the hierarchy of this post, and there is nothing whoosh worthy inherent to these posts. I must therefore assume I've trodden on a meme from elsewhere. (somehow inferred by Hognoxious, but not obvious to me)

      It's either that, or you just like saying "whoosh".

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    24. Re:But... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Have you seen any financial news over the lasst year and a half?

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  4. this is why by stoolpigeon · · Score: 3, Funny

    I never trusted the poop smith.

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    1. Re:this is why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I remember this one time when we were all standing around minding our own business. Then somebody farted. A few awkward glances later and it suddenly turned into a full-on riot.

  5. Happiness by Akido37 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't know about any of you, but being in a smelly, disgusting store makes me unhappy.

    1. Re:Happiness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's a stupid study, this is something that humans have associated, best example is the hospital smell, whenever you feel that smell, you think about the hospital and everything that it meant for you, a loved one that died there, an operation a long time ago, etc. Some will associate that "clean smell" with an oppressive home, that will most likely make them hate the place, some people are natural slobs, even though their families are not, ever wonder why? it's a stupid study made for marketing purposes. Should I understand that Slashdot is now in the "scyence of marketing"? wtf?

    2. Re:Happiness by eaglegrl1 · · Score: 1

      I agree. And if I'm in a bad mood then I am more likely to misbehave.

    3. Re:Happiness by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, it depends on the store. In a book store, for example, I'd much rather smell old books than cleaning fluid.

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    4. Re:Happiness by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 1

      it's a stupid study made for marketing purposes. Should I understand that Slashdot is now in the "scyence of marketing"? wtf?

      Well, marketing is basically applied behavioural psychology combined with math and $technology, so it's not totally off-topic.

      The association of smell with memory is a well known mechanism, though. Evoke certain memories via particular smells? Certainly, you have a valid point there. I do wonder if the study took smell's use as a memory trigger into account. I suppose I could RTFA but that would be cheating...

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    5. Re:Happiness by Whiteox · · Score: 1

      I don't know about any of you, but being in a smelly, disgusting store makes me unhappy.

      It's a good point.
      Now I'm wondering what Slashdot smells like.
      I reckon it's a cross between old pizza, coke, beer, cigarette ash, spilt bong water and vegan farts based on most of the users here....

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    6. Re:Happiness by Teckla · · Score: 1

      I don't know about any of you, but being in a smelly, disgusting store makes me unhappy.

      Yeah, I don't like Walmart either...

  6. Dirty D! by Baby+Duck · · Score: 1

    "I'm Dirty D, damnit! I just need to be diiiirty!"

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  7. I love the smell... by chickenarise · · Score: 5, Funny

    I love the smell of Windex in the morning... The smell, you know that fresh smell... Smells like, virtue.

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    1. Re:I love the smell... by spun · · Score: 4, Funny

      I love the smell of Windex in the morning... The smell, you know that fresh smell... Smells like, virtue.

      Charlie don't clean windows.

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    2. Re:I love the smell... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Full disclosure: I LOL'd! \o/

      I don't do windoze either, haha!

  8. glamour shots? by iamhassi · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    What's with the modeling/glamour shots photo of the professor on the article?

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    1. Re:glamour shots? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bet you wouldn't say the same thing if the professor was a man.

      It's just a freaking shot of the profesor "cleaning", as in "clean smell"... you know like the article says.

      By the way is good and shot too.

    2. Re:glamour shots? by Larryish · · Score: 1

      Looks like she is standing behind a windows covered in hot grits.

    3. Re:glamour shots? by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      But, what exactly is the substance she is trying to get off the window with the squeegee? This looks like a shot from a really bad porn flick! (And I'm sure I'm not the only one that thought this.)

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    4. Re:glamour shots? by penguinchris · · Score: 1

      This is a trend in corporate/news/etc photography, to provide photo illustration that's interesting and creative rather than a boring portrait. Check out Strobist, which in the past couple of years has greatly influenced this kind of photography.

      The real answer, though, is this - BYU probably has a staff photographer or two to provide publicity photos. Their assignments probably don't specify to do anything other than a simple portrait, which I'm sure they do - but then since they're bored they also try stuff like this, which the PR person in charge sees and realizes is a lot more interesting and therefore makes the university seem more interesting. And whether that works or not for nerds on slashdot is irrelevant - the university obviously wants a positive and interesting public image, and good web design and photography greatly help toward that goal despite having nothing to do with the school's academics or research.

  9. Crappy experiment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's crappy experiments like this that give pseudo-science a bad name.

    There are so many confounding and uncontrolled variables that the results are meaningless.

    Did they repeat the experiment with the clean and dirty rooms swapped?

    Were the subjects and experiment runners randomized? How many subjects?

    Were the subjects sequestered or could they have smelled the Windex while waiting to participate?

    Were there any other differences between the test rooms?

    It's crappy experiments like this that give pseudo-science a bad name.

    1. Re:Crappy experiment by jbus07 · · Score: 1

      The rooms could have smelled like booze and cigarettes - I don't think that would have had a significant amount of influence on the monetary splits. Consumer behavior at retailers has been proven to be influenced by certain smells, but decision making and morality? Um, no.

    2. Re:Crappy experiment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Not neccessarily. If science is the testing of hypotheses through carefully conducted and controlled experiments, you must acknowledge that those hypotheses must come from somewhere - and why shouldn't that be quick and dirty experiments? I'd rule out "just doing it right the first time" - because the conclusion in this case seems so surprising that nobody would ever have deemed it important enough to spend a whole controlled study on.

      Of course, like the Slashdot poll, "if you use this result for anything important, you're insane". But some more trials might be in order.

    3. Re:Crappy experiment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's crappy experiments like this that give pseudo-science a bad name.

      Not only did you type that fantastically stupid sentence without thinking about what it meant, you did it twice.

      And no, you weren't joking, being ironic, or saying that it's so bad that even "regular" pseudo-science looks bad in comparison. You really meant the literal interpretation of what you said.

    4. Re:Crappy experiment by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      I suspect that the reason is rather that unclean smells triggers the more competitive behavior of humans because it can be an indication of lack of food or other resources, which in turn means that the strongest and most resourceful can be the one that is gaining the most.

      A clean smell can instead tell the subconscious mind that there is sufficient resources available.

      So this may be a good reason to actually make sure that public areas are clean.

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    5. Re:Crappy experiment by amplt1337 · · Score: 1

      The rooms could have smelled like booze and cigarettes

      Not at Brigham Young they couldn't! No booze and no 'baccey for the Latter-Day Saints.

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    6. Re:Crappy experiment by roguetrick · · Score: 1

      That conclusion isn't supported by the data. It is however interesting to note their earlier study about cleanliness, specifically that people who commit what the person considers a moral transgression they seek to cleanse their physical body. Something being clean seems to certainly have some sort of unconscious link if you take both of those studies into account. Interesting stuff.

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    7. Re:Crappy experiment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not the first time that my dry humor has eluded someone.

    8. Re:Crappy experiment by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      That link has been known for several hundred years - it was a key plot element in Macbeth - and probably has a lot to do with the Christian tradition of baptism. I would be interested in any studies conducted in nations where there is no such tradition, to see which way around the causal relationship is (does baptism exist because people want to be physically as well as morally clean, or do people develop this association because of baptism?)

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    9. Re:Crappy experiment by The+Wild+Norseman · · Score: 2, Funny

      Glad I belong to the Church of Latte-day Saints then!

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    10. Re:Crappy experiment by Whiteox · · Score: 1

      It has more to do with marking territory than resources.

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    11. Re:Crappy experiment by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 1

      No booze and no 'baccey for the Latter-Day Saints.

      What, do they prefer hookers and weed?

    12. Re:Crappy experiment by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      That link has been known for several hundred years - it was a key plot element in Macbeth - and probably has a lot to do with the Christian tradition of baptism.

      It's much more likely than it's the other way round. Jewish tradition used to have ritual bathing before entering the temples (and then *the* temple when the other ones were closed). Innumerable religions have similar rituals.
      Washing to remove a moral stain is well documented and certainly has nothing to do with baptism since for most christians (outside of some US groups) it's not a very important thing in their life. It's done when they're infants and they have no say in it.

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    13. Re:Crappy experiment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's crappy experiments like this that give pseudo-science a bad name.

      As opposed to rigorous pseudo-science?

    14. Re:Crappy experiment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This experiment could be seen as validating a study from last year, showing that people are more likely to behave lawfully in an environment with less litter and graffiti. The result is in line with the "broken window" theory -- that people get cues from their environment when deciding what behavior is socially acceptable.

    15. Re:Crappy experiment by Mab_Mass · · Score: 1

      And even if they managed to control all of the points you asked about, the only thing they would have shown is that citrus windex has this effect.

      The leap from citrus windex to anything that has a "clean smell" is way too far of a leap.

  10. Makes sense by bsDaemon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If a place smells like a moose just died in it, especially if its also visibly dirty, then I just sort of get the impression that it doesn't actually matter what I do in there. On the other hand, when a place is spotless, smells lemony fresh and everything appears in order then I'm not going to be the one to put my feet on the coffee table, no matter how tempting it might be. Smell ties into taste and is one of the more powerful senses we have, so it makes sense that it would play a large part in determining our impression of what is or isn't acceptable in a given location, every bit as much as it tells us what foods seem OK to eat.

    1. Re:Makes sense by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Unfortunately the actual effect this is going to have is that every store that can get away with it will now treat air fresheners like fratboys treat axe.

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    2. Re:Makes sense by Rary · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If a place smells like a moose just died in it, especially if its also visibly dirty, then I just sort of get the impression that it doesn't actually matter what I do in there. On the other hand, when a place is spotless, smells lemony fresh and everything appears in order then I'm not going to be the one to put my feet on the coffee table, no matter how tempting it might be. Smell ties into taste and is one of the more powerful senses we have, so it makes sense that it would play a large part in determining our impression of what is or isn't acceptable in a given location, every bit as much as it tells us what foods seem OK to eat.

      But the interesting part about this study is that it wasn't measuring behaviour that would typically be linked to cleanliness (ie. putting your feet on the coffee table). It was looking into behaviour that should be consistent regardless what room you're in.

      For example, people sitting in the "clean" room were more willing to volunteer for Habitat for Humanity. They were also more willing to donate money to the cause.

      Also interesting is that participants didn't actually consciously notice the sent in the room.

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    3. Re:Makes sense by causality · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If a place smells like a moose just died in it, especially if its also visibly dirty, then I just sort of get the impression that it doesn't actually matter what I do in there. On the other hand, when a place is spotless, smells lemony fresh and everything appears in order then I'm not going to be the one to put my feet on the coffee table, no matter how tempting it might be. Smell ties into taste and is one of the more powerful senses we have, so it makes sense that it would play a large part in determining our impression of what is or isn't acceptable in a given location, every bit as much as it tells us what foods seem OK to eat.

      You certainly do have a point, though I question the merits of a study like this one. If scent made such a noticable difference, then you can safely say that these folks were not terribly committed to doing the Right Thing. They needed an external motivation. That's hardly as good as doing the best you can, all the time, because you seriously believe in and want to adhere to sound, timeless principles that have a solid ethical or moral foundation.

      For that reason, I take this to be further evidence that most people operate on a sort of auto-pilot.

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    4. Re:Makes sense by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I don't think so. There's a lot of harsh chemistry in many air fresheners that many people don't like. I'd rather smell some stray earth than some sterile hodgepodge of toxic chemicals that reminds me of the overbearing preparation of cheap hotel rooms frequented by prostitutes.

      I can't even stand those little air fresheners people put in cars. Why would anybody want their car to smell cheap, like oranges or other food? (Note: it's usually the fat chicks who like their houses and cars smelling like peaches or vanilla anyway)

    5. Re:Makes sense by causality · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Unfortunately the actual effect this is going to have is that every store that can get away with it will now treat air fresheners like fratboys treat axe.

      Which will probably end up having an opposite effect. I know that whenever I smell highly excessive air freshener, or a highly excessive amount of perfume/cologne/etc on a person, I sometimes wonder what it is that they're trying so hard to cover up. Particularly that extremely potent lotion or perfume that some of the women at the office would use; seems like a few drops of that stuff will cover a square mile.

      A small, tasteful amount is a different story, of course.

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    6. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From 2004-7, I was the sysadmin for a high school, and I noticed this effect with computer labs.

      Lab A was filled with recent, fast computers [P4/2.8 with 512 MB RAM]. The computers were very fast and peppy...logging in took 30 seconds max, and applications started quickly. The computer lab was in a room with properly-working climate control and plenty of space for all the computers. It was originally 30, and I knocked it down to 29 to make it just a bit more spacious.

      Lab B was filled with Celeron 1.2s with 128 MB of RAM. They were running XP when I showed up, and I switched them to 2000 to help with speed. Even with only Windows 2000, they ran like molasses in Antarctica. Logging into Windows would take minutes, launching a browser another few minutes...you get the picture. The lab was crammed into a windowless storage room without nearly enough climate control--on winter days, when the water chiller was shut off, the lab heated up to 80+F and became unbearable. Originally 30 stations when I showed up, I whittled it down to 24--they took up less space, 6 of them had their motherboards go kaput, and class-size analysis showed 24 seats adequate for most of the classes in the school. The only reason that damn lab existed was because the school foundation matched funding for a lab in 1997...

      Lab A was treated with respect. When I went in there at the end of the school day, I had only to close the windows and blinds. Everything was kept quite orderly.

      Lab B...not so much. It looked almost like a riot happened in there, with encrusted Jolly Ranchers stuck to computers, students snapping the CD trays off while impatiently waiting for Web pages to load, and students removing balls from mice. Even teachers treated that lab like crap.

      Show them respect with working equipment, and they're more likely to respect it.

    7. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately the actual effect this is going to have is that every store that can get away with it will now treat air fresheners like fratboys treat axe.

      Haha! Speaking of which. I used to use Axe, but then I grew a sense of smell, two balls and some dignity.

    8. Re:Makes sense by Abcd1234 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You certainly do have a point, though I question the merits of a study like this one. If scent made such a noticable difference, then you can safely say that these folks were not terribly committed to doing the Right Thing. They needed an external motivation. That's hardly as good as doing the best you can, all the time, because you seriously believe in and want to adhere to sound, timeless principles that have a solid ethical or moral foundation.

      So, what, you're going to assume the study is invalid and/or useless because it doesn't fit with your naively rosy view of human behaviour? Well, no offense, but tough shit.

      For that reason, I take this to be further evidence that most people operate on a sort of auto-pilot.

      And I take it as further evidence that humans are, despite our fancy intellect, often little more than opportunistic animals. And personally, I'd rather we just admit that fact and use it as the starting point for improving ourselves, rather than living with the delusion that we're somehow inherently noble creatures. 'course, we should already realize this... if the Milgram experiment taught us anything, it's that human morals are things easily set aside given the right circumstances.

    9. Re:Makes sense by TorKlingberg · · Score: 1, Insightful

      For that reason, I take this to be further evidence that most people operate on a sort of auto-pilot.

      It is well-known that people aren't particularly rational and most things we do are not really conscious decisions.

    10. Re:Makes sense by causality · · Score: 1
      Isn't it amazing the venom that comes out of people when you make the simplest of observations? Yours is milder than most.

      So, what, you're going to assume the study is invalid and/or useless because it doesn't fit with your naively rosy view of human behaviour? Well, no offense, but tough shit.

      I said that most people aren't terribly committed to doing good and that they operate on a sort of auto-pilot, meaning they are not thinking beings who perform deliberate action, though potentially they could be. This isn't so rosy. In fact it's rather disappointing.

      And I take it as further evidence that humans are, despite our fancy intellect, often little more than opportunistic animals. And personally, I'd rather we just admit that fact and use it as the starting point for improving ourselves, rather than living with the delusion that we're somehow inherently noble creatures. 'course, we should already realize this... if the Milgram experiment taught us anything, it's that human morals are things easily set aside given the right circumstances.

      Nothing I said disagrees with this. In fact, I proposed the "auto-pilot" as an explanation for it. It happens to be an explanation that, if true, means that this is not set in stone, that people are not actually forced to be this way. For that reason, I view it as a "default" setting -- the way things are if the person doesn't consciously work to change them.

      Is that what bothers you so? Because it implies that people bear some personal responsibility for whether or not they are trying to become better (by that I mean more ethical) people? I suppose that's one way to view it. Another way to view it is that if you really are responsible for who you are and what you do, then this is proof positive that it is within your power to change those things for the better. This is excellent news, in fact it is a message of hope.

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    11. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, first impressions count, then?

      Seriously, if your first impression (and smell is one of the first impressions you get) is positive, then you are likely to provide positive interaction.

      If your first impression is negative, you are more likely to be negative.

      This isn't anything that wasn't previously known.

      Self-Godwin! I bet if the same test were done in a room sporting a picture of Hitler vs. a picture of flowers, we'd find similar reactions.

    12. Re:Makes sense by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      Is that what bothers you so?

      No. What bothers me is this exact phrase:

      You certainly do have a point, though I question the merits of a study like this one.

      You don't question it based on the fact that it might have been set up wrong. Or that they interpreted the results correctly. You don't attack the science based on facts and reason. No. You decide the study is without merit because, apparently, it doesn't fit with your worldview. That's irrational. It's also an excellent example of one of the true ills of society today: The unwillingness of people to see the world for what it is, instead preferring to filter and bend fact to fit their own ideas of how the world actually works.

    13. Re:Makes sense by R2.0 · · Score: 1

      "If scent made such a noticable difference, then you can safely say that these folks were not terribly committed to doing the Right Thing. They needed an external motivation. That's hardly as good as doing the best you can, all the time, because you seriously believe in and want to adhere to sound, timeless principles that have a solid ethical or moral foundation. "

      That sounds like the distinction between Perfect and Imperfect Contrition in the Catholic Catechism. Perfect Contrition is when you are repentant of your sins because you love God and are sorry you have broken His agreement with you. Imperfect Contrition is when you are repentant because you don't want to go to Hell.

      Guess what - either gets you into Heaven. Likewise, I'm not sure anyone should care WHY someone does the right thing, as long as they do it.

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    14. Re:Makes sense by ksheff · · Score: 1

      If a place smells like a moose just died in it

      I've been told that's what my cubicle is like a few hours after a lunch with beans and/or cabbage. It's one way to keep people away from asking me annoying questions.

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    15. Re:Makes sense by ELitwin · · Score: 1

      Smell is just tasting from a distance. (Think about that the next time your in a public bathroom and the guy next to you forgets the courtesy flush.)

    16. Re:Makes sense by P0ltergeist333 · · Score: 1

      Well said. One of the things that troubled me about the article is that it didn't state whether the participants were assigned a room or chose the room. Kind of along the lines of your post, could it be that ethical people choose to be in cleaner environments?

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    17. Re:Makes sense by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      I've spent a little time around a moose that had just died. It didn't smell bad at all. In fact, once a tenderloin was sizzling up with some mushrooms and onions, garlic and seasoning, it smelled pretty damn good.
       
      Now, if you are talking about a place that smelled like a moose died in it last month, then I'm with you.

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    18. Re:Makes sense by causality · · Score: 1

      Is that what bothers you so?

      No. What bothers me is this exact phrase:

      You certainly do have a point, though I question the merits of a study like this one.

      You don't question it based on the fact that it might have been set up wrong. Or that they interpreted the results correctly. You don't attack the science based on facts and reason. No. You decide the study is without merit because, apparently, it doesn't fit with your worldview. That's irrational. It's also an excellent example of one of the true ills of society today: The unwillingness of people to see the world for what it is, instead preferring to filter and bend fact to fit their own ideas of how the world actually works.

      Actually the meaning of the results is precisely where I differ with this study. To me, they mean that most people are operating on a sort of auto-pilot and I have already explained why I believe so. Also, not once did I say it was without merit. Re-read my posts; you will not find me saying that anywhere. I said I question the merits. "Questioning" denotes uncertainty; it does not constitute a claim of either merit or lack thereof. This means you were dead wrong about what I said, and it also means that the application of the same rationality you demand could have revealed that to you before you responded to me.

      Perhaps this is a reading comprehension issue. Or perhaps it pleases you to put words in my mouth and then attack those words. Either way, please don't try to pass this off as quality discourse. It most definitely isn't. Now if you really want to do something decent, just admit that you saw what I said and decided to read things into it that clearly weren't there.

      I question many things and I consider that a healthy trait. I'll question whatever I feel like questioning. This includes both those things that are within the scope of science and those things which are not. That you would see that as errant behavior in need of correction is truly baffling to me. I don't usually encounter that, except from some of the more closed-minded religious people.

      Incidentally, you've never demonstrated that I am failing to see the world as it is. That would be a vast, general, sweeping claim. A few paragraphs from a stranger is not enough data to make this claim. Demonstrating beyond a doubt, with adequate data, that I fail to see the world as it is would be the rational thing to do before touting me as an example of one of the "true ills of society today." No, I think the harshness of that baseless assumption is designed to make me get upset, emotional, and less rational, because right now I am providing a contrast against your methods. You have egg on your face, and there's no way you don't know it.

      It's a bit like those people who assume you don't understand something merely because you take a different position on it than they would. The message is "agreeing with me, doing as I do, questioning only what I would question, that is the only path away from ignorance." There's a lot of arrogance in it.

      It doesn't take a great deal of insight to realize that you have a strong need for me to be wrong so you can be right. Right from the start you've taken a belligerent tone when nothing I said was malicious or inflammatory. It's as though you are offended that I would dare to approach this from an angle that you would not. It's a shame, because conversations like these are so much better when egos don't get so involved. That is precisely one of the "default settings" I was talking about.

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    19. Re:Makes sense by ignavus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If a place smells like a moose just died in it, ...

      Canadians feel at home?

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    20. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Albert Einstein was wrong

    21. Re:Makes sense by baKanale · · Score: 1

      Maybe it's a similar effect to one of the conclusions from "A prompt plus delayed contingency procedure for reducing bathroom graffiti". When a space is well taken care of maybe people unconsciously realize that someone's paying attention to the space and act accordingly.

    22. Re:Makes sense by ShakaUVM · · Score: 1

      >>If a place smells like a moose just died in it, especially if its also visibly dirty, then I just sort of get the impression that it doesn't actually matter what I do in there.

      Personally, I just want to kick the shit out of anyone who sits next to me with a horrible case of BO.

      It's true - bad smells do cause bad thoughts.

    23. Re:Makes sense by Ohrion · · Score: 4, Funny

      Are you two married?

    24. Re:Makes sense by Phil06 · · Score: 0

      I cannot stand the smell of perfumed soap. When I wash my hands I do not want to end up smelling lik a Tijuana whorehouse.

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    25. Re:Makes sense by electrons_are_brave · · Score: 1

      The assumption is that the subjects are drawing an unconscious assocation between Windex = Cleanliness = Spotless conscience = Honest behaviour. But why not Windex = Someone's cleaning the freakin' windows = I can be seen = honest behaviour.

    26. Re:Makes sense by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      Actually this possibly explains a phenomenon thats puzzled me for a while.

      Why is it that old ladies favor perfume that makes them smell like a freshly cleaned kitchen?

      Honestly, where I live, the older women really do smell of cleaning products.

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    27. Re:Makes sense by electrons_are_brave · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I am a psycholgist who works in occupational health and safety, and I have a problem with the release of the results of an unpublished study, which has yet to be read, judged and verified but which draws a conclusion that could lead to more chemicals being introduced into workplaces. They clearly have never looked at the rates of occupational asthma or considered how little information we have about the synergistic effects of the multitude of low hazard chemicals which already exist.

      I have no problem with the study (in so far as it can be judged from the press release). Obviously, since they only measured smell vrs no smell they can only conclude that the smell was the cause of the difference in behaviour. But studies are always constrained by money/time/space constraints. But they haven't waited for the studies which look at "hamburger" smells or cultural differences or been cautious in their reporting.

      They think thay windex is a "clean" smell rather that a "chemical smell" and "pleasing" rather than "annoying". If the article had been published I would have looked at how they accounted for the possibility that they been seduced by the obvious liguistic association between "clean" and "ethical" which may well be an artifact of (the english) language. There could have been other reasons, such as it gave the impression that the room was better tended or less neglected. This matters because this impression could then be created in ways that do not involve spraying more chemicals into workplace air.

      Of course, all this is speculation, because we can't read the bloody study.

    28. Re:Makes sense by causality · · Score: 1

      Are you two married?

      That made me laugh!

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    29. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I've met the odd aftershave that ought to be banned under the Geneva Protocol, too.

      I somehow doubt that a sinus headache - my usual reaction to synthetic 'clean fresh scent' - would much incline me towards virtue.

    30. Re:Makes sense by causality · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "If scent made such a noticable difference, then you can safely say that these folks were not terribly committed to doing the Right Thing. They needed an external motivation. That's hardly as good as doing the best you can, all the time, because you seriously believe in and want to adhere to sound, timeless principles that have a solid ethical or moral foundation. "

      That sounds like the distinction between Perfect and Imperfect Contrition in the Catholic Catechism. Perfect Contrition is when you are repentant of your sins because you love God and are sorry you have broken His agreement with you. Imperfect Contrition is when you are repentant because you don't want to go to Hell.

      Guess what - either gets you into Heaven. Likewise, I'm not sure anyone should care WHY someone does the right thing, as long as they do it.

      Let's say I am a general, in command of an army that is about to go to war. All other things being completely equal between the opposing armies, let's say that my army is entirely composed of volunteer, professional soldiers who truly believe in what we're fighting for. They believe in it so much that they are willing to lay down their lives and die for this cause with no coercion of any kind. The opposing army is composed entirely of conscripts who had to be threatened with imprisonment to get them to join the armed forces. They are otherwise equal in every way; equal amount of training, equal supplies, and equally good strategy is used by both sides.

      If I were to place bets, I know which army I would bet for. There is a strength that comes from right motive that is unobtainable otherwise. While things are going well and everything is peachy, people who don't have much insight won't notice much difference between the person who fears Hell and the person who loves God. When the shit hits the fan, however, one of those is going to crumble first. One of those will panic and lose their heads first. It won't be the person with love, not if their love is real.

      A lot of the good things that people try to do don't have the full effectiveness that they could have had. They don't really reach the recipients, don't really get them to look at their lives and their values differently the way they could have done. That's because many people who do good deeds do them for less-than-pure reasons. They want to be thought of as good by others, they want to impress others, or they want some kind of recognition or favor in return. They give in order to get. This deprives them of the chance to do something truly self-less, which is its own reward, and it deprives the recipients of seeing what it looks like when such a self-less act takes place. It's business as usual, just a bit more favorable.

      The whole problem I have with most organized religions and most of the people in them is that they do things because they think they're supposed to. They fear hell or they fear the condemnation of others. They operate out of that fear and it is the energy which fuels their actions. So you can go to most churches and you find people who judge you by how you dress, whether you're "clean-cut", and other superficial meaningless things, but you don't see very much that really resembles unconditional love. There is a universe of difference between acting out of a fear of negative consequences and acting out of a real delight of having done the right thing, for both the giver and the receiver. I mourn the fact that we live in a society that is so blind and superficial that every last person doesn't consider this to be obvious.

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    31. Re:Makes sense by tzjanii · · Score: 1

      There was a study I read about a while back (In Malcom Gladwell's Blink, maybe?) where people were shown random faces and asked to rate that person's attractiveness. While the person was looking, one of three smells was wafted under a person's nose, a control which had no smell, a very slight lemony-fresh scent, and a strong(but still good-smelling) lemony scent. The subjects rated people more attractive with the slight smell than the control, but if the smell was strong enough that the person could consciously smell the odor, all of the attractiveness-boost was lost.

      I'll let someone with more google-fu whore out for the +5 informative, if they wish. :-P

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    32. Re:Makes sense by sjames · · Score: 1

      The problem I have with those is that to me they don't smell "clean" or "fresh", they smell disgusting. The various artificially scented "air fresheners" rarely smell anything like the natural scent they pretend to emulate. Lemons smell like lemon, "Lemon Scent" smells like someone about to get an F in chemistry.

      If anything, those promote a vague sense of hostility and nausea.

      In some cases, I suspect it's just a matter of over-concentrating the scent brings out unpleasant elements, in others it's because the so-called 'fresh scents' are actually compounds meant to stun your nose into silence, but some of them don't seem to work very well on me.

    33. Re:Makes sense by Landshark17 · · Score: 1

      If a place smells like a moose just died in it, ...

      Canadians feel at home?

      Well, them and Sarah Palin.

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    34. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      causality wins. FATALITY.

    35. Re:Makes sense by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      So... what you're saying is that armies and religions should use more Windex ?

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    36. Re:Makes sense by couchslug · · Score: 1

      OT:

      "You cannot simultaneously prevent and prepare for war." -- Albert Einstein

      Switzerland disproves that nicely.

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    37. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This seems to coincide with the "broken windows" effect on crime:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixing_Broken_Windows

    38. Re:Makes sense by that+IT+girl · · Score: 1

      True. Subconsciously we are probably making the association that if a place is clean, obviously someone was doing the cleaning. Someone who cares about and probably watches over the place, just like a mother might do who keeps her house clean and is diligent in keeping her children in line. This mental association is likely to stick with us. It does make sense that one could get away with something underhanded more in a dirty, untended place than somewhere clean.

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    39. Re:Makes sense by that+IT+girl · · Score: 1

      This may be true, but in keeping crime down in a large society, what's easier? Actually changing people from the inside, or doing what is needed to maintain order on the outside?

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    40. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course you are a psychologist. A natural science person wouldn't be afraid of unspecified chemicals.

    41. Re:Makes sense by VeNoM0619 · · Score: 1

      Yes, but realize it can be hard to recognize your own scent if you use it enough times. You probably don't know what you smell like all day until you put on your deodorant/body wash/soap, but after 5-10 minutes you forget it and how strong it is.

      Do the person a favor (if it's a friend, or a person with no friends), and politely comment about the strength of the smell. I've seen some of them change after a comment, and it is better for the both of you (they no longer repel people and invite hostility, you no longer have to be in discomfort). Why hide honesty?

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    42. Re:Makes sense by seandiggity · · Score: 1

      if the Milgram experiment taught us anything, it's that human morals are things easily set aside given the right circumstances.

      If the Milgram experiment taught us anything, it's the exact opposite of what you're saying. Take a look at Erich Fromm's analysis some time:

      I believe that the most important finding of Milgram's study is the strength of the reactions *against* the cruel behavior. To be sure, 65 per cent of the subjects could be "conditioned" to *behave* cruelly, but a reaction of indignation or horror against this sadistic behavior was clearly present in most of them. . . The main result of Milgram's study seems to be one he does not stress: the presence of conscience in most subjects, and their pain when obedience made them act against their conscience. Thus, while the experiment can be interpreted as another proof of the easy dehumanization of man, the subjects' reactions show rather the contrary -- the presence of intense forces within them that find cruel behavior intolerable. This suggests an important approach to the study of cruelty in real life: to consider not only cruel *behavior* but the -- often unconscious -- guilty conscience of those who obey authority. (The Anatomy of Human Destructiveness, p. 75)

      On the following pages, he soundly debunks the widely-accepted conclusions of the Stanford Prison Experiment which, beyond being completely absurd, was a criminal act on the part of Zimbardo, IMO. That he was ever elected president of the APA is beyond me.

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    43. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks, I needed to hear this today. It's true

  11. Ammonia, Detergents or Scents? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Which is it that did it? This appears to measure the effect of Windex, not scents. Great publicity for Windex though. I'm appalled at what passes for science these days. The public knows no better.

    1. Re:Ammonia, Detergents or Scents? by SomeJoel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The public knows no better.

      Actually, they really don't. But at least they don't care, either.

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    2. Re:Ammonia, Detergents or Scents? by NotBornYesterday · · Score: 1

      Makes you wonder who sponsored the experiment, eh?

      This moment in science sponsored by the good folks at Windex.

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    3. Re:Ammonia, Detergents or Scents? by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 1

      No kidding, if you are testing the theory of "good smelling" one needed use Windex for every test group.

      You could have nothing, nothing, nothing, windex, rose water, fresh baked cookie smell, etc. Also, you could do some foul smell runs to see if they are even worse than nothing...

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  12. If that is the case... by Androclese · · Score: 1

    ...I wonder what the Capitol Building must smell like?

    1. Re:If that is the case... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or the Goldman Sachs offices?

    2. Re:If that is the case... by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 1

      A morgue.

    3. Re:If that is the case... by mhajicek · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I was going to ask what Washington must smell like. Perhaps we should send the lawmakers each an air freshener.

    4. Re:If that is the case... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It smells like kosher food, if you know what I mean.

    5. Re:If that is the case... by R2.0 · · Score: 1

      Originally, it smelled like a swamp because, well, it was. After they drained it, built buildings, and filled it with politicians and government appointees - it still smells like a swamp.

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  13. junk science by prgrmr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There's no link to the original study, but it was clear from the article that there was no control group. They had a scented room vs. an unscented room, when what they should have had was a "pleasantly" scented room vs. an "unpleasantly" scented room with a third, unscented room as the control. Then they should have done some feedback questionnaires at the conclusion, in which they could have buried a question or two regarding the participant's scent preferences to see how well the participants' evaluation of the smell of the rooms lined-up with the premise of the study.

    This study was actually just a subset of the premise that happy people are more likely to be grateful and donate their time and/or money than unhappy people, and that environmental factors can influence a person's relative happiness. And a demonstration that an attractive woman can get money and resources from a major university to run a useless study.

    1. Re:junk science by Imrik · · Score: 2, Informative

      So in order to have a control group you have to have two non-control groups? You didn't add a control group to their study, you added a non-control group.

    2. Re:junk science by prgrmr · · Score: 1

      No, their premise was "scent vs. nothing", with the presumption that the orange scent was something that everyone would find pleasant. The actual statefulness of smell for people is pleasant, unpleasant, and neutral (or nothing); and that's what the study should have covered in order to make any meaningful conclusion on smell vs. happiness driven ethics. There's no way to derive from their study results what effect an unpleasant smell would have on behavior. It may well be that it's the perception of smell aside from the norm that drives the ethical behavior, not the relative pleasantness of the smell at all.

      Essentially, they only tested for the single side of the equation that supported their pre-study bias, which make their post-study conclusions rather worthless.

    3. Re:junk science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're wrong. I design experiments for a living. A control group is roughly defined as "A sample in which a factor whose effect is being estimated is absent or is held constant, in order to provide a comparison." We are estimating the effect of clean smelling room vs. unscented room on ethical behavior. This is a control group, and you are the charlatan. :)

    4. Re:junk science by pz · · Score: 5, Informative

      There's no link to the original study, but it was clear from the article that there was no control group. They had a scented room vs. an unscented room, when what they should have had was a "pleasantly" scented room vs. an "unpleasantly" scented room with a third, unscented room as the control. Then they should have done some feedback questionnaires at the conclusion, in which they could have buried a question or two regarding the participant's scent preferences to see how well the participants' evaluation of the smell of the rooms lined-up with the premise of the study.

      This study was actually just a subset of the premise that happy people are more likely to be grateful and donate their time and/or money than unhappy people, and that environmental factors can influence a person's relative happiness. And a demonstration that an attractive woman can get money and resources from a major university to run a useless study.

      So you're supposing that the mere scenting of a room, with any scent whatsoever, will increase the chance of ethical behavior? Interesting. Sounds like you need to do a follow-on study, rather than bash the first one without having read the original manuscript. According to the article, they *did* have a feedback questionnaire, and the participants did not notice the scent. More importantly, however, we do not know from the article whether this was a double blind study. The devil is in the details for behavioral studies like this, and an easy way to eliminate many uncontrolled variables is to make it double blind.

      Finally, it is rather presumptuous to state that BYU funded the research, especially given the list of three total collaborators come from three different universities. Also, I've personally filled out scores of grant applications from my local institution, private foundations, and national agencies. None of them required or even requested a photograph. I'm therefore highly dubious about your last conclusion.

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    5. Re:junk science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So... you can't prove that kitchen knives can be used to kill someone until you've also tested hunting knives under your model of causality? Brilliant, you are an intellectual giant.

    6. Re:junk science by sorak · · Score: 1

      Not worthless.

      Null hypothesis: smell makes no difference.
      Hypothesis: smell makes a difference.

      There is also no way to derive whether the smell of grilled hamburgers would have made more difference than the orange scent. That doesn't make the results worthless. It just means that the study doesn't answer every question, everyone could possibly ask.

    7. Re:junk science by prgrmr · · Score: 1

      Read my reply above, then go read Dr. Richard Feynman's speech entitled "CARGO CULT SCIENCE" and then tell me if you still think there didn't need to be a third group. Because the point isn't what they wanted to test, the point is they weren't testing all the relevant aspects of the situation in order to have a meaningful conclusion.

    8. Re:junk science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you are saying they lumped the 'this room smells bad' and 'this room smells good' in together, STILL got positive results, and you say this is junk science?

      I agree, further studies should be done, but definitely not by you.

    9. Re:junk science by prgrmr · · Score: 1

      I'm therefore highly dubious about your last conclusion.

      Does it help to point out that your sarcasm detector may be broken?

    10. Re:junk science by prgrmr · · Score: 1

      Hypothesis: smell makes a difference.

      The article specifically states "clean smell", and does so in a way that implies the study does too. Hence the bias.

    11. Re:junk science by amplt1337 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Not to mention that, this being BYU, they probably have some serious selection bias going on in terms of study participants.

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    12. Re:junk science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      And a demonstration that an attractive woman can get money and resources from a major university to run a useless study.

      How would you describe the scent of the room you're in right now? My guess: bitter.

    13. Re:junk science by prgrmr · · Score: 1

      No. I'm saying they didn't do the "this room smells bad" part at all. And because the outcome of that test can't be anticipated we know that one, they only got part of the potential answer; and two, because there's the possibility that the "this room smells bad" test may produce even better results, that both their premise and conclusions are biased.

    14. Re:junk science by blurryrunner · · Score: 1

      I found a reference to the article in a simple google. From the main author's profile at BYU's Marriott School:

      "The Smell of Virtue: Clean Scents Promote Reciprocity and Charity.," Psychological Science 2009

      The professor's profile:

      http://marriottschool.byu.edu/employee/employee.cfm?emp=kla520

      br/

    15. Re:junk science by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Or, without bothering to actually read (you are addressing social scientists, after all), remember that, in children, there is a high correlation between reading ability and shoe size.

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    16. Re:junk science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The article specifically states "clean smell", and does so in a way that implies the study does too.

      No, it does not. Science journalism is horrible and I've yet to see such an article correctly represent the science. You made a mistake, get over it and stop digging.

    17. Re:junk science by larryjoe · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Hmm, sort of ironic that a comment about bias that is ostensibly based solely on religious affiliation would actually be a much better example of prejudicial bias. Unfortunately, such hypocritical blindness is all too common.

    18. Re:junk science by risom · · Score: 1

      There's no link to the original study, but it was clear from the article that there was no control group. They had a scented room vs. an unscented room, when what they should have had was a "pleasantly" scented room vs. an "unpleasantly" scented room with a third, unscented room as the control. Then they should have done some feedback questionnaires at the conclusion, in which they could have buried a question or two regarding the participant's scent preferences to see how well the participants' evaluation of the smell of the rooms lined-up with the premise of the study.

      I agree with that. 3 or even 4 different levels of scent would also help determine the right amount for maximum effect (if there really is any).

      The second problem is the small amount of test persons involved: "Twenty-eight participants (12 female) were individually assigned to either a clean- scented room or a baseline room." (You can find the article by googling "The Smell of Virtue"). That means 14 people per group which does not seem to be much if you want to seriously control unknown variables - one of which can be gender (I couldn't find out from the article whether the16 men/12 women were equally distributed).

      And a demonstration that an attractive woman can get money and resources from a major university to run a useless study.

      That my friend is sexism. And as a completely unproven hyothesis ridicules your criticism of the above study too. Or do you have any hard facts to prove your point that the researchers gender is the cause for the bad study?

    19. Re:junk science by amplt1337 · · Score: 1

      Er... which point do you disagree with?

      (1) Mormons culturally place a higher premium on cleanliness, "family values," and "good clean living" than the average American;
      (2) This could result in a greater subconscious affinity for spaces that appear cleaned;
      (3) As a result, a study whose participants are mainly Mormon might show a greater effect from cleaned spaces than a more representative sample.

      (1) is a claim that's been made to me by my Mormon relatives. (2) seems obvious, and (3) logically follows...

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    20. Re:junk science by prgrmr · · Score: 1

      That my friend is sexism.

      True, but actually that was intended as sarcasm. After all, this is Slashdot.

      Here's a wild hypothesis for you: smell is a trigger for our flight or fight response. Flight was never a serious option given they volunteered for the study and therefore had some degree of a sense of social obligation to stay. So they fought with the only means they had: with the money; which may explain why those in the scented room voluntarily gave back more than those in the unscented room.

      That, of course, is pure conjecture. But how terribly unscientific is it from their predetermined sought-after conclusion?

    21. Re:junk science by tophermeyer · · Score: 1
      More than that, one huge common criticism of American research is that most studies are conducted at Universities. As a result, most research volunteers tend to be undergraduate college students. This leads to selection biases for things like specific education level, socio-economic status, age, race, and to a lesser extent gender. Of course, your right in that being at BYU many of these volunteers were likely Mormon. This doesn't sound like representative data to me.

      Other obvious criticisms of their research methods aside, the way I read this study is basically "American college students are more likely to behave in a room that smells like it was cleaned". Speaking as a former American college student, this isn't all that shocking.

  14. Is this a joke? by swanzilla · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Morality...Product placement...

    The study titled "The Smell of Virtue" was unusually simple and conclusive. Participants engaged in several tasks, the only difference being that some worked in unscented rooms, while others worked in rooms freshly spritzed with Windex

    ...top-notch scientists...

    Katie Liljenquist, assistant professor of organizational leadership at BYU's Marriott School of Management, is the lead author on the piece in a forthcoming issue of Psychological Science.

    ...looks to a win/win situation for both SC Johnson and the LDS.

    1. Re:Is this a joke? by iris-n · · Score: 1

      $0 = 1 + e^{i \pi}$

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    2. Re:Is this a joke? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lead author or lead scientist? There's a difference.

  15. ... next to godliness by argent · · Score: 1

    Cleanliness really IS next to godliness.

  16. RTFA! by spun · · Score: 1, Insightful

    You just need to spritz her with some Windex and all immoral thoughts will disappear.

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    1. Re:RTFA! by tmosley · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's hard to think naughty thoughts when your eyes are melting out of your skull from pepper spray.

    2. Re:RTFA! by JoshuaZ · · Score: 3, Informative

      This might sound funny but that's very close to what some ultra-Orthodox Jews have been using in areas of Israel where they think that women aren't dressed modestly enough, or are too loud, or have perfume, or are walking down the wrong side of the street. Most common substances is pepper spray which doesn't smell so bad if you aren't on the receiving end. Boiling water and rocks have also been used. This is especially common in Meah Shearim, an ultra-Orthodox neighborhood in Jerusalem. See for example http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3795237,00.html one of the very few cases where the police have actually tried to arrest the religious fanatics in question.

    3. Re:RTFA! by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      Interesting. One of these days they'll finally catch up to their Muslim brothers, and start using battery acid.

    4. Re:RTFA! by R2.0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It doesn't sound funny at all. These are the same folks who establish illegal settlements on land that isn't theirs, demand that the military defend them bodily from the results of those actions, but utterly refuse to participate in that defense. I would believe them capable of anything, and the true tragedy is that they occupy the position of kingmaker in the political system, and so have had the power to end a conflict that has killed so many of their own faith.

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    5. Re:RTFA! by JoshuaZ · · Score: 2, Informative

      Don't get confused between groups. The settlers are generally dati le'umi (literally "religious nationalist"), they aren't charedi (ultra-orthodox). While some of the settlers are charedi that's not most of them. The settlers are people who would be by and large appalled by this behavior as everyone else. The ultra-orthodox aren't in favor generally of settling in that way; most of them don't even recognize the state of Israel.

      Essentially, the settlers are a subfraction of what would be considered moderate or modern Orthodox except for the whole theological nationalism thing going on. The situation is complicated. It really isn't helped by conflating all the different groups together. It may be fun to get angry at the religious extremists but it is helpful to keep track of which extremists are which.

    6. Re:RTFA! by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      Boiling water and rocks have also been used

      But they don't really smell of anything... Religious people really make no sense at all.

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    7. Re:RTFA! by Fear+the+Clam · · Score: 1

      Boiling water and rocks have also been used.

      Hey, the courts found that to be a legitimate stone soup accident.

    8. Re:RTFA! by M8e · · Score: 1

      Boiling water and rocks have also been used.

      lava?

    9. Re:RTFA! by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      and the true tragedy is that they occupy the position of kingmaker in the political system

      Yup. Those who advocate proportional representation should bear that example in mind.

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    10. Re:RTFA! by macintyred · · Score: 1

      I believe tmosley was referring to what the woman would spray back, not what others should spray on her.

    11. Re:RTFA! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, when I read things like this, it makes me think that Israel is, or is turning into, "just another crummy middle eastern nation." I don't really care which version of the magic sky fairy's magic book people read, change a few of the words and this is Iran or Saudi Arabia.

    12. Re:RTFA! by R2.0 · · Score: 1

      You make a very good point, and thanks for the information I was unaware until now that there was such a fundamental distinction between the groups, and I like to think I'm relatively well informed.

      But that does lead to an interesting point about subgroups and larger groups. It's not just religious extremism - EVERY group gets stereotyped, and typically the image is that of a small minority. Rich Jews, Pedophile priests, amoral lawyers, corrupt CEO's. Given that it's such a universal phenomenon, it invites an examination of what an extreme subgroup owes to it's parent group. Is it a valid position to tell a subgroup to knock it off, because they are making everyone else look bad? Even if what that subgroup is doing is (to them) morally justified or ambiguous?

      At what point does the Israeli government, as the representative of the majority of the citizens of Israel and protector of their safety, say "I don't give a rats ass about your religious studies - show up for duty or go to jail." Or "Yes, we know you've established roots here. It was a horrible mistake. We'll do what we can to make amends, but in the mean time, get out of the settlements."

      Note that I'm not giving the Palestinians a pass here, but given that their leadership's power flows from the barrel of a gun, it needs to be approached differently. And I'm not saying I have the answers, because Lord knows we have enough of that going on in the US.

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  17. Windex = clean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The study was done with unscented rooms and rooms with a few spritzes of citrus windex.

    Am I the only one who would think that unscented = clean? Because according to the study, citrus windex = clean, and unscented = not clean.

    This should be sterile (unscented) vs. perfumed (citrus windex).

    When I smell a co-worker doused in perfume, I usually think she's covering up for NOT being clean. I do prefer the fresh scent of lilac and lavender (GAIN Laundry!) It makes me ever so polite and generous.

  18. Totally BS by harris+s+newman · · Score: 1

    So I would assume that hospitals smell good. The medical industry all smells good. So why is there so much corruption in that industry?

    1. Re:Totally BS by Verdatum · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ah, you've never been to a hospital, have you? That or you enjoy the combined odors of generic lysol, old people, and death.

    2. Re:Totally BS by mooingyak · · Score: 1

      Garbage trucks smell good. Why is the sanitation industry always associated with the mafia?

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    3. Re:Totally BS by level_headed_midwest · · Score: 1

      That's a nursing home. A hospital smells like a combination of industrial disinfectant, diarrhea, and the hard-to-describe smell that people with active bacterial infections and ulcerated sores give off. It often varies from floor to floor- the ICU and pediatrics floors don't have much of a smell, the surgical floors smell a bit worse, and the general medicine floors can sometimes make you nauseous.

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    4. Re:Totally BS by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1
      Hey, I've got one better for you. I was walking down the corridors of a Chinese hospital, and my friend said, "you know what's wrong with this place? You know 'that hospital smell'? This hospital doesn't have it." He was right. There was nobody mopping the floors with disinfectant, nobody washing the walls, nobody doing anything other than basic janitorial work. It really brought home just how screwed you are if you end up in a place like that.

      Then there was my friend who got asked, "do you want the real medicine? You're sure, because it's 3x the price and there's no going back after we open it." He said, "yeah, I'll pay, don't give me the counterfeit like you give to everyone else.

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    5. Re:Totally BS by that+IT+girl · · Score: 1

      I'm thinking the majority of the people behind the scenes in the FDA and pharmaceutical industries, making these big decisions and raking in the billions have never actually worked in a hospital.

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  19. Hey by jim_v2000 · · Score: 4, Funny

    This explains why the average Slashdotter has such disregard for copyright!

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    1. Re:Hey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This explains why the average Slashdotter has such disregard for copyright!

      Dirty Hippies!

  20. Clean smells? Windex? by TrisexualPuppy · · Score: 2, Funny

    Let's get this straight. Windex typically reeks of ammonia. And so do public elevators where winos have urinated.
     
    A coincidence? A paradox? Or, are the guys at Brigham Young sniffing gold spraypaint trying to come up with new ideas? Hmmmmm...?

    1. Re:Clean smells? Windex? by Valdrax · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Let's get this straight. Windex typically reeks of ammonia. And so do public elevators where winos have urinated.

      A coincidence? A paradox? Or, are the guys at Brigham Young sniffing gold spraypaint trying to come up with new ideas? Hmmmmm...?

      As bad as the rigor of this study seems to be, your counter-point doesn't actually defeat what it says. Windex, urine, and urine covered up by Windex don't all smell the same, and elevators that are likely to be soiled are very different social settings from rooms at a graduate research center. The social triggers differ with all of these things.

      The results of the study don't particularly surprise me. Think of how people act in clean v. dirty bathrooms or how vandalism that isn't cleaned up invites further vandalism. I'm just worried that idiots will think that ALL you need is the *smell* of Windex and not *actual* efforts at cleaning up a cesspit. Or that we'll be assaulted with overbearing smells of cleaning products at banks and stores (which would eventually wear away the mental association and make it *doubly* futile).

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    2. Re:Clean smells? Windex? by Noginbump · · Score: 1

      The results of the study don't particularly surprise me. Think of how people act in clean v. dirty bathrooms or how vandalism that isn't cleaned up invites further vandalism.

      So, Roller Coaster Tycoon had it right: puke on the sidewalk incites vandalism...

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    3. Re:Clean smells? Windex? by Tuoqui · · Score: 1

      Actually the summary specifically says citrus scents... Presumably they were using a citrus smelling windex rather thanthe plain old blue nasty smelling stuff.

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  21. BYU article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

                http://news.byu.edu/archive09-Oct-smellofvirtue.aspx - original article with a video

  22. Brigham Young University? by FlyingSquidStudios · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    The same Brigham Young University that has an article about how one of their archaeologists has proven the Book of Mormon's ludicrous ficitonal pre-Colombian American History is valid? http://newsnet.byu.edu/story.cfm/50535

    1. Re:Brigham Young University? by FrigBot · · Score: 1

      I don't have any mod points left so I'll pay you in Cheetos...*

      *Disclaimer: I read that once, and I'm not pretending to be the original author of the above cleverly-worded sentence. But it fits this situation, I think.

    2. Re:Brigham Young University? by Whiteox · · Score: 0

      ...the Book of Mormon's ludicrous ficitonal pre-Colombian American History is valid?

      You didn't comprehend the article did you?
      All he is saying is that there are examples already in archaeology of those elements mentioned in the Book of Mormon. He's not actively searching and I doubt he would be allowed to by LDS policy which is hinted at in the rest of the article.

      No Cheetos for you!

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  23. MOD PARENT INFORMATIVE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a really good post!

  24. Re:Fish smells like yo mama is horny again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I take it you are all out of Windex?

  25. This study brought to you by Windex. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Windex, not only cleans your house, but now cleans up your life!

    1. Re:This study brought to you by Windex. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      But it doesn't have what plants crave.

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  26. It's because they have it backwards by dmomo · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Correlation/Causation and all that. The point is... unethical behavior is what leads to the bad smells.

  27. So it is the new car smell ... by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

    ... that makes the auto salesmen pull all kinds of dirty tricks.

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    1. Re:So it is the new car smell ... by iris-n · · Score: 1

      Well, new car smell is actually quite toxic, you know?

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  28. My Fat Greek product placement by StillNeedMoreCoffee · · Score: 1

    Who funded this study again?

  29. Windex? seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This ethical study brought to you by S. C. Johnson & Son Inc.

  30. Citrius Windex makes me punch things by BlueBoxSW.com · · Score: 1

    Not sure how it could encourage good behavior.

    Blah.

  31. MOD THIS POST INFORMATIVE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So is this post!

  32. Strip Club Smell? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What about at strip clubs, where they clean frequently with Isopropyl Alcohol... Those places are ethical right?

    1. Re:Strip Club Smell? by iris-n · · Score: 1

      Isopropyl Alcohol? Are you sure? IIRC, it was quite expensive in my lab years.

      And it does not smell good. Yes, it can get you high.

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    2. Re:Strip Club Smell? by greyhueofdoubt · · Score: 1

      The OP is probably talking about the iso you can buy in spray bottles; you can get plain and wintergreen scented. I see it used for cleaning gym equipment all the time. It's not expensive; I think I've seen it for around $2.50-$3.00 for 20 oz. I go through 98% iso at work by the gallon ($20-$30/ gal).

      Cheaper than whiskey :)

      -b

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  33. Sounds like Wall Street... by Muckluck · · Score: 1

    Sounds like wall street could use a few hundred cases of Windex. Straighten out them bankers once and fer all... On second thought, Washington DC, all state capitals and local governments need a few cases as well. This is what happens when Aunt Bea isn't around to clean the courthouse / jail daily.

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  34. From BYU? by jonnat · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A Brigham Young University professor suggesting a possible biochemical link to ethical behavior. Sounds like a letter of resignation to me.

    1. Re:From BYU? by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      You win the "genius comment of the day award". If I hadn't commented already, you'd definitely have my mod point!

  35. You ain't seen nothing yet by tinkerton · · Score: 1

    Wait till they try out Linex. Trounces Windex hands down it will!

    1. Re:You ain't seen nothing yet by selven · · Score: 1

      So does morality run on Linex?

  36. Re:Happiness, I agree... by sourICE · · Score: 1

    I don't know about any of you, but being in a smelly, disgusting store makes me unhappy.

    I agree and I base my entire mood on the smells of the locations I have been to during my day.

    For instance, if I go into a gas station bathroom during my day I am liable to become completely enraged or possibly even suicidal at the thought of the acts previously taken in order to create such smells.

    Depending upon how bad the smells were, I may even kidnap a child or go on a shooting rampage because of them.

    On the other hand if I journey to a flower shop and take in the 'wonderful' scents of flowers and the unneeded perfumes I am likely to smell emanating from the woman behind the counter I will go even crazier due to my allergies and form some sort of murderous coalition or cult.

    As you can clearly see, this proves smells have a great effect on emotions and the actions taken because of them.

  37. Hawthorne Effect by MountainLogic · · Score: 2, Informative

    There is a famous study (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawthorne_effect) in which they were looking at the effect of lighting levels on productivity in a manufacturing environment. If they turned up the light productivity improved, if they lowered lighting level productivity improved, if they returned lighting to the original level productivity improved. The reason was that changing light levels signaled to the workers that something was up and that they were likely being watched. Walk into a room dripping with cleaner and your knows will tell you that something is up and you better watch out.

    1. Re:Hawthorne Effect by Fear+the+Clam · · Score: 1

      your knows will tell you that something is up and you better watch out.

      It always nose.

  38. Subjects by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

    I dont see this as valid, unless they had each group tested in both a scented and unscented room. It could be just as likely that they had people more willing to give in the scented room than in the other, with the scent having no real effect.

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  39. Guns dont kill by gmuslera · · Score: 1

    People do. Smells aren't the ones that do that, but associations of it in people's mind. What seem to work in some regions or cultures could have different effects in others. If associations are the ones that do the job, then trends of decoration (not just smell, but visual, lights, architecture, etc) for public places should follow that ideas. Of course, i don't think that the only alternative that will be good for banks is to look and smell like torture chambers, but probably most elements that promote some behaviour were tested in the past in a way or another.

  40. Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... that explains plumbers, then.

  41. Needs more research by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    I propose a grant for a study to determine what scents make Professor Liljenquist more likely to put out...

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  42. Second hand cars by DavMz · · Score: 1

    Of course smell matters. Ask any car seller why they have sprays of new cars scents. Hey, a car that smells like new will sell for a higher price.

  43. Speaking of faulty logic... by jjoelc · · Score: 1

    Ummm... is it just me, or was bad smells causing bad behavior NOT PRESENT AT ALL in the study... Why do so many comments keep equating the two? We can debate whether citrus scented windex constitutes a clean smell or not, whether the other methods were robust, etc... But the study was about clean smells and ethical behavior and had nothing to do with bad smells and unethical behavior. Even assuming that "clean smells" promoted more ethical behavior, it does not logically follow that "unclean" smells would promote unethical behavior. This isn't physics where "equal and opposite reaction" rules apply. It is phsiology and phychology... Where giving a stimulant to a chronically hyperactive child calms them down. Where people always say one thing when they really mean a mother... Who said clean smells good? Stick your nose over a bottle of ammonia and tell me that again! Yet ammonia is still popular as a cleaning agent, and many would call it a clean smell.

  44. Isopropanol versus 'Clean smell' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Contents of Windex:

            * Isopropanol
            * 2-Butoxyethanol
            * Ethylene glycol n-hexyl ether
            * Water
            * Ammonia

    But apparently, no, it's the "clean smell" that does it. (Ignoring the possibility we are only socialised to associate things like Isopropanol and Ammonia with "clean")

  45. heh by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

    *Frrppbptbtbptbpt!*

    Flame on!

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  46. Less is more by Have+Brain+Will+Rent · · Score: 1

    Does everything have to be frickin scented? Crap, it seems like every frickin product around has got to have a scent. And there are waaayyyyyy too many people who have no familiarity with the idea of "less is more"... now we have to have scents to promote ethical behavior? Just get people to take showers and lay off all the perfumed crap. Sheeeesh.

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    1. Re:Less is more by Sulphur · · Score: 1

      Maybe we have been missing the boat in not training dogs to tell the difference between sentient and scented beings. Welcome our aroma profiling overlords.

  47. I did not know that! by Whiteox · · Score: 2, Funny

    Windex comes in citrus?

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  48. Chemical smells = ill by lul_wat · · Score: 0

    Chemical smells make me feel instantly ill .. cleaners, cigarette smoke, air 'fresheners' .. all instantly feel sick / headache

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  49. THAT's the problem with corporate america! by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1

    More proof we need to clean up how our corporate masters live.

    Surround yourself with expensive, old alcohol, expensive stinky cigars, old dead animal furniture... and the smell of used hookers... that's the IDEAL of "good" business men? No wonder we're so fucked up.

  50. Capitol Hill by db32 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I wonder how much Windex would be required to encourage ethical behavior on Capitol Hill...

    I wonder if that much Windex is hazardous to be around...

    I wonder how many people care if it is dangerous to the congress critters...

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  51. "Sorry, your honor.." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Sorry, your honor - I farted, then I just don't know what came over me..."

  52. Smell is powerful... but by redfire111 · · Score: 0

    When I can't motivate to go to the pool to swim I open a bottle of chlorine and get a wiff of it (not like face in the bottle or anyting), it always reminds me how much I like swimming and how good it will feel if I get my stuff together and go. I think it is it a different thing to encourage a certain kind of behavior that you already want to do than discouraging stealing or slacking off at work.

  53. I smell a lawsuit by Seantotheizzo · · Score: 0

    I wonder if this means I can legally defend my assault against my coworker the next time he passes gas next to my cubicle?

  54. Re:Fish smells like yo mama is horny again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The copper wiring one was clever, for a racist joke. The rest were lame.

  55. or gloryholes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they mop those out frequently with a bleach solution. ...ever notice that stale semen smells like chlorox?

  56. This study was funded by ... by Organic+Brain+Damage · · Score: 1

    SC Johnson.

  57. References needed by aero6dof · · Score: 1

    I've got to the get the name of Windex's astroturf agency - brilliant marketing!

  58. Is this anything like the Pax? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There might be undesirable side effects.

  59. Perfume by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Letterman and Governor sex scandals were precipitated by the fact that they work in environments that are slathered in woman's perfume. Some of the ingredients in them are synthesized smells of clean anus, which seems to drive these guys into ill-considered behavior. The pharmaceutical companies are lobbying and arm-twisting like crazy to keep that out of the media.

  60. Hasn't this already been proposed? by rubenerd · · Score: 1

    This sounds like the theory proposed in Fixing Broken Windows.

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  61. Dutch ovens! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Need time I dutch oven the missus, ill tell her I just want her to get real dirty :D

  62. Stand on Zanzibar, Hugo winner 1969 by catman · · Score: 1

    This is /., I didn't read TFA - but the summary reminded me of this book by John Brunner. IIRC he suggested that a (hypothetical) pheromone would help people cope with the stress of overpopulation, dropping the US murder rate to very low levels, among other effects ...

  63. Logic suggests... by Genda · · Score: 1

    By logical extrapolation of this article, I presume this means that the Senate must then smell like dirty gym socks...

  64. The nose knows by AlpineR · · Score: 1

    your knows will tell you that something is up

    I'm glad to see I'm not the only person making this kind of spelling mistake in an otherwise intelligent post.

    I like to believe that written language is different than spoken language, and is in fact richer in content since many written words render to the same spoken sound. As a person who reads and writes more than he speaks, I'd expect that my brain could keep homonyms straight with ease. But then my fingers go and type a word that sounds like the word I was thinking but is spelled differently and has a totally different meaning.

    For knows/nose, I could at least suppose that part of your brain was composing an ending to that sentence involving 'knowledge' and volunteered that spelling when another part of your brain settled on the 'nose will tell you' phrase.

  65. My Big Fat Greek Wedding by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

    Why is my first thought the dad from My Big Fat Greek Wedding? The one who thought Windex cured everything. Got a sore elbow? Dip it in Windex. Feet ache? Soak them in Windex. Got a sore throat? Well, I'd rather not see that cure applied. Moral compass on the fritz? Apply a little Windex and you're good to go!

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  66. The smell of shit... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...promotes homosexual behaviour.

  67. this certainly explains why by nimbius · · Score: 1

    when someone farts in an elevator I have the unethical urge to beat them with their own shoes.

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  68. Makes sense! by Wh15per · · Score: 1

    This seems to make pretty good sense. Take the fire service in America. Some volunteer fire departments take great pride in their firehouses and apparatus. They clean them regularly, train and drill on a regular basis, and project an image of "professionalism." Other departments, well, you can tell those that don't take as much pride in their equipment and house. The same would apply to just about anything else. If your people/family members/employees/slaves have pride in their enviornment, then that is reflected in their behavior.

  69. It's called Sex Panther by Odeon. by sunyjim · · Score: 1

    They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

  70. More support by Prien715 · · Score: 1

    "35-year-old Mindy Lanoux of San Antonio, who has melanoma that has spread to her liver and lungs, her odds of surviving in the single digits. She has been to the hospital 16 times in nine months, spending a week there each time for treatments so debilitating she wanted to give up. But she keeps returning, smearing peppermint oil under her nose when she walks in the medical center’s door to hide the odor.

    “The smell gets to me,” Ms. Lanoux said. “It smells like cleaning products and the sickness and the medicines. It takes your brave edge off.”

    From NY Times article on MD Anderson Cancer Center

    I recently watched someone near the end of their life in that same hospital...it wasn't pleasant, despite the care givers' best efforts. I can imagine that there's some classical conditioning built up between the smells and sickness/death.

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  71. My Poor Nose! by longbot · · Score: 1

    Okay, I'm going to call bullshit on this one.

    This may or may not work on most of the populous (and the science behind it seems more than a little fishy) but for me, I find the exact opposite to be the case. Cleaners, perfume, deodorants, scented soaps, and other like products not only disgust me, but also produce symptoms similar to allergies in me (and several other people I know). If I smell Axe on someone, I immediately suspect that they're trying to cover up not having taken a shower. And if a place smells of bleach or ammonia... I wonder what the horrible mess was that necessitated bringing out the hardcore cleaning chemicals.

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