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Attack of the PowerPoint-Wielding Professors

theodp writes "A CS student blogger named Carolyn offers an interesting take on why learning from PowerPoint lectures is frustrating. Unlike an old-school chalk talk, professors who use PowerPoint tend to present topics very quickly, leaving little time to digest the visuals or to take learning-reinforcing notes. Also, profs who use the ready-made PowerPoint lectures that ship with many textbooks tend to come across as, shall we say, less than connected with their material. Then there are professors who just don't know how to use PowerPoint, a problem that is by no means limited to college classes."

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  1. Most professors guilty? by suso · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Are all college professors doing this? I think there are always in every generation going to be professors who don't want to put much effort into teaching classes. They are either there for doing research and thus don't care about learning or they aren't sure what they are doing there and just needed a job. There are a few annoying classes I took (in computer science even) where the professor would simply read from the book.

    1. Re:Most professors guilty? by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Even before powerpoint, there was the notorious professor who had a bunch of overhead transparencies that he'd been using for 20 years. Thankfully, he was the exception, not the rule. But, as you pointed out, any professor who doesn't care about the material or know how to teach is going to suck in pretty much ANY medium.

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    2. Re:Most professors guilty? by skgrey · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, but in this case it sounds like the PowerPoint slides are also included with the text (probably on a CD or DVD). I remember when I was a student; if the professor would have just been putting up the slides and talking I probably would have skipped class, thus missing out on the comments made by the teacher about the materials.

      At least with overheads you had to listen to the professor and write the information down and thus commit it to memory to a certain extent.

      PowerPoint could either be a complete slacker medium, or could be part of a more-encompassing lecture. It's all in the way it is used.

    3. Re:Most professors guilty? by digitig · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Yes, I had one professor who:
      • Required attendance at all lectures to pass the coursework element
      • Locked the door at the start of the lecturers, so that latecomers would fail
      • Required purchase of his textbook
      • Simply read a chapter from the textbook in each lecture
      • If asked a question, would simply re-read the relevant paragraph

      Apparently he was doing some highly lucrative and cutting-edge research, which is why he was kept on. The problem isn't powerpoint, the problem is professors who can't (or can't be bothered to) teach.

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    4. Re:Most professors guilty? by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      At least you can print PowerPoints. I had numerous good teachers print out all the slides in the 'notes' layout. Where 1/2 the page was the slide and the other half was blank. 3 hole punch it and toss it in your folder.

      1) It kept you from wasting time replicating something that already existed
      2) You could still mark it up in your own words so that you knew what it meant.

      Some even had tablet PCs that they would write on the presentation and send out that marked up version after class.

      PowerPoint, Whiteboards, Chalk, etc are just tools. Professors have been good and bad at implementing tools since the beginning of time.

      One of the best professors I knew came to class with only 4 color markers. No prepared notes, no book, no equation sheet. The school rewarded him with a semester off because too many of my idiotic classmates failed his class one semester. (Where as classes in the previous 20 semesters he taught seemed to muster up at least 80% passing).

    5. Re:Most professors guilty? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Informative

      My wife and I (she's Math, I'm...well, the "humanities") always include a set of annotated powerpoint slides, converted to PDF, to our students.

      For our sins, we also have access to Blackboard, which makes it easy to provide all of our content to our students.

      I think the takeaway from this story is that some teachers suck ass. I'm sure that was true when the only technology available was chalk and slate.

      By the way, "suck ass" is a term of art, often used in tenure conferences.

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    6. Re:Most professors guilty? by gander666 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      My PDE prof was like that. He would walk in, open the text to see where he left off, and then spend 90 minutes filling board after board with mathematical derivations, and practical, real world examples. He was a monster, and he graded very very hard. I learned a lot in that class.

      Of course, I was in college before Powerpoint was really in existence, and we used chalk on black boards, no white boards.

      Years later, I was helping a friend get her masters degree in economics, and it was amazing how much non-linear PDE's were used, and they didn't have the rigorous mathematics background to support it. Wild...

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    7. Re:Most professors guilty? by Atrox666 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Personally I'd like to see university courses trimmed down to just setting curriculum and evaluation. The university could then offer additional services if the student feels that they are necessary. Books, classes, labs, TAs could all be available but not manditory for the student.
      All those professors that gloat that they fail half their classes can get pushed out by professors with good success rates. If the useless ass at the front of the class is just going to read the book, fuck him I'll buy the book and read it myself. He can do whatever he wants as long as I don't have to pay for it.

    8. Re:Most professors guilty? by mbourgon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I used to work for a college textbook publisher. Give me pretty much ANY class and I could teach it - that's how many different teaching aids we produced. (Transparencies, Test Banks, Videos, Teacher's Guides, TA Handbooks...)

      It comes down to the prof, not the tool. Great profs would use them to assist their teaching style, lazy profs would use it instead of building their own lesson plans.

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    9. Re:Most professors guilty? by Hatta · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem is when you have talented researchers spending their time teaching instead of researching. They don't want to do it, they're not any good at it, and the students are just as well off learning from the book. Send the prof back to the lab where his valuable skills won't go to waste.

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    10. Re:Most professors guilty? by Minwee · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They are either there for doing research and thus don't care about learning or they aren't sure what they are doing there and just needed a job.

      You're confusing "All University Professors" with the elusive and endangered "Tenure Track Faculty". Most professors nowadays are employed as sessional instructors. That means that they are working part time on a contract which only lasts for a single semester, have no job security, no benefits of any kind, limited access to resources such as office space or the library, and are typically paid next to nothing.

      Any illusions they may have had about doing actual research in their field should have disappeared after their first semester of being exploited, and if they really "just needed a job" they would have been better off serving drinks or flipping burgers. The hours and pay are a lot better and at least there would be some possibility of career advancement that way.

      This is nothing new, but it's getting worse every year. Consider Allison Dube, at the University of Calgary. Despite teaching at the same school since before many of his students were born, working full time hours and winning numerous awards for excellence in teaching, he can barely afford to continue working.

      "Telling the story of his first contract with U of C, Dube explains that he earned about $25,000 for one year's work--or five half-courses. Thirteen years later, in 2002-2003, his earnings have actually gone down, even though he is teaching the same number of courses with about four times more students."

      "Poor economic conditions for faculty hiring have prevailed on and off since the 1990s. As a result, permanent, second-class faculty pools of sessional workers have developed in otherwise "excellent" and "academically free" postsecondary institutions. As one administrator put it, "As long as the administration can pay sessionals, why would they give a term appointment? They can get everything done sessionally. It is cheaper... I think that people are surprised when they find out how bad it really is. Especially 15 years with no job security or benefits.""

      All this, and you're pissed about your professors having the temerity to not prepare elaborate Broadway productions for every single lecture? Try this: Dig around in your pockets for all the loose change you can find and put that on the table along with five pieces of paper and a broken pencil. Now, quit your job and using only the resources in front of you design and teach three full year courses on microprocessor design, quantum theory, and the history of art in the Spanish Netherlands. When you are done you may treat yourself to a cheese sandwich.

      Those are the conditions that your professors are working under. They're not lazy, they're not there just for the money, they're working as teachers because they really want to. Only a complete idiot would subject themselves to that kind of job if they didn't. If you want to be annoyed at anyone for the poor quality of lectures you have been forced to sit through, get annoyed at the University administration for treating their staff like dogs.

      Worse than dogs, really. At least the dog gets fed.

    11. Re:Most professors guilty? by NervousWreck · · Score: 3, Interesting

      True. In high school I had teachers who would either use the same overhead slides for years or worse, write the same notes on the board and never explain anything. Currently I'm in college and I'm taking a programming course where the prof reads each slide quickly and goes to the next within seconds. Worse, while she fortunately takes questions, she unfortunately neither knows nor cares about the material. Luckily I already know C

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    12. Re:Most professors guilty? by crmarvin42 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      At least you can print PowerPoints. I had numerous good teachers print out all the slides in the 'notes' layout. Where 1/2 the page was the slide and the other half was blank. 3 hole punch it and toss it in your folder.

      1) It kept you from wasting time replicating something that already existed 2) You could still mark it up in your own words so that you knew what it meant.

      I've been guest lecturing in a couple of grad level classes for the past 4.5 years while working on my PhD and I used to do what you indicate here. However, I found that students would skip class, space out while I was speaking, and fail to ask questions when I wasn't being clear enough for them. By the 2nd class no one was taking any notes. Even when I went off script and indicated that they needed to take notes on what I was saying.

      The last couple of times I've used PPT, but refused to print out the slides in any form (Except for a student who missed a bunch of time while sick, but I made sure to impress upon her the importance of getting the notes from someone else). By doing this grades have gone up despite me using the same basic slides and covering the same material. Forcing them to actually take handwritten notes means they get the experiential learning of writing the material down at least once.

      One of the best professors I knew came to class with only 4 color markers. No prepared notes, no book, no equation sheet. The school rewarded him with a semester off because too many of my idiotic classmates failed his class one semester. (Where as classes in the previous 20 semesters he taught seemed to muster up at least 80% passing).

      My advisor teaches this way. I always thought it was just him being too behind the times, but now I know that forcing us to take handwritten notes as he writes out the material on the overhead helps them learn the material and stay focused on what's going on in class.

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    13. Re:Most professors guilty? by tixxit · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well, that depends how you look at it. Nothing annoys me more then profs who always cater to the lowest common denominator in the class room. They spend half the class going over trivial details of the material because of a minority of people who just don't get it. At some point a prof has to just let some students sink or swim. The worst was an operating systems class I took. I was very excited to take it after seeing the course outline. Unfortunately, the prof catered too much to the people who just didn't put in the effort outside of class, so we only covered half the material we were suppose to. Very disappointing... You have a set of students who really want to learn the material and take something away, and instead the class' time is wasted on those that just want a passing mark.

    14. Re:Most professors guilty? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "However, I found that students would skip class, space out while I was speaking, and fail to ask questions when I wasn't being clear enough for them. By the 2nd class no one was taking any notes. Even when I went off script and indicated that they needed to take notes on what I was saying."

      Exactly. But it's worse than that. When something comes up in the news and I discuss it in class, or someone raises a good question, I sometimes write and draw on the board. When I test the students on that material I get complaints that "it wasn't in the slides", from both the people who weren't there and even from the people who were! This occurs despite the fact that I emphasize at the start of the term and throughout that "not everything is in the slides, so you'll want to take notes" and "you won't be able to understand everything from the slides alone".

      Not all students are lazy, but they fall into bad habits as easily as instructors can, and PowerPoint slides make it easy to do so.

    15. Re:Most professors guilty? by arethuza · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I was shocked when I started working in academia how most people did anything they could to avoid dealing with students. Of course, when you are a student you make the mistake of assuming that universities are there for the benefit of students - when at best they are regarded by most academics as a pool of potential slaves/grad students to assist with their own careers. Inevitably, after a few years I was behaving in exatly the same way.

    16. Re:Most professors guilty? by clone53421 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You can't fix stupid.

      Where as classes in the previous 20 semesters he taught seemed to muster up at least 80% passing

      I've had a similar professor. He made you know the material, and know it damn well (it was a statics class, not to be confused with statistics).

      Out of a class of probably two dozen, only myself and one girl were left to take the final exam. Everybody else dropped out because he made them work too hard, boo hoo. I got my A and moved on. I have no idea what grade the girl got, but if I hadn't been such a hopeless geek I might have asked her out. She was good-looking and if she stuck in the class that long you know she had to be pretty smart.

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    17. Re:Most professors guilty? by Minwee · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Tons of people are willing to write code for free and give it away, just because they love it. We are not asked to pity them.

      Tons of people carve tiny wooden boats and then play with them in the bathtub. I only mention this because that has exactly as much relevance as your comment about writing code for free.

      In particular, whose fault is it that a contract faculty member got a Ph.D. in an oversubscribed discipline?

      It's not about "oversubscribed disciplines", it's about fair employment and providing students with the education that they are paying for.

      Let's take a more meaningful example from this community. Tons of companies are replacing their highly educated and competent employees and replacing them with lowest bidder "outsourced" staff. Somehow I never see anyone here cheering this as a brilliant business move guaranteed to provide everybody with a brighter future.

      Now, getting back to the pedagogical issues which really are the whole point, is it a good idea for a University to put the majority of its teaching duties on the backs of people who are treated like office temps only without the office? When your teachers have to work two or three jobs just to eat every day, how can you expect them to devote the time that they need to preparing for their classes? So what does this mean for the students who are paying tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars in tuition and expecting the promised "excellence in education" in return?

      It means the students are getting screwed. Now whose fault is that?

    18. Re:Most professors guilty? by LandDolphin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I would think that if they are in the class, and don't care to learn the material beyond getting their "C" to pass, that they would not spend the effort to engage the Teacher. If they are putting forth the effort to engage the Teacher, than it seesm they do have th edesire to learn a little.

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    19. Re:Most professors guilty? by elrous0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "Except one guy who was seriously crazy. I mean like batshit loony crazy."

      I once had a sociology class with a guy like that. He would literally spend the entire class ("Sociology of Religion" specifically) talking about running triathlons and all the drugs he had done in his life. One day the entire class time was dedicated to a guest lecture from one of his triathlete buddies (who talked mostly about the importance of proper stretching). The closest he ever came to talking about the subject of the class was when he went on a two-class tear about his various experiences with peyote (I did learn a lot about how to properly drink peyote without puking).

      His testing methology in the class was absolutely bizarre (and he even admitted it in the first class). These tests consisted of 30-50 questions on material which was covered neither in his lectures nor the text (at least the text was on subject). Then he would grade on a curve. I consistently set the curve in the class with 50%-60% scores (and only because I had good general knowledge, not because I could possibly study for such bizarre "tests"). So I walked out of the class with a 100% average, with no knowledge whatsoever of the subject the class was supposed to be about. About the only thing I learned in the class was that the professor was batshit crazy and that tenure is the bulletproof vest of academia.

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    20. Re:Most professors guilty? by Rich0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Makes you wonder where all that tuition money is going. The average student graduates something like $100k in debt it seems - probably a lot more these days. That is an incredible amount of money to spend on an eduction, and for the life of me I can't figure out where it is all going.

    21. Re:Most professors guilty? by CodeBuster · · Score: 3, Interesting

      One of my professors once said (in lecture) that students are probably the only consumer group that mostly wants less for their money. Its sad but true that most students these days care more about the piece of paper they receive at the "end" of their "education" than they do about actually learning anything. The universities exploit that by making sure that they get less while charging top dollar in tuition and paying the professors squat. Surely this cannot continue forever before the corporations figure out that degrees from "prestigious" universities do not live up to their mythical reputations.

    22. Re:Most professors guilty? by Skuld-Chan · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They do - I run several labs at a community college, and for some reason students want to print everything they get their hands on. Anyhow I saw some A&P slides in the recycle bin with a publisher trademark on them.

    23. Re:Most professors guilty? by caution+live+frogs · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Let me get this straight: You want an institution where you are given an exam, and if you pass it you get the degree? No books, no classes, no labs, no instructors unless you ask for them specifically? I believe you are looking for The University of Phoenix at best, or a diploma mill at worst.

      If you seriously think that your proposed approach would result in a quality education, you're delusional.

    24. Re:Most professors guilty? by philipgar · · Score: 2

      If EVERYTHING is in the slides, there are some major issues with the class. First off, including all the details in the slides means you either need long slides (that the professor will have to rush through), or each slide will be much busier, including more details than before. Either way, these are some of the worst types of presentations I've ever seen. Slides should give the basic idea, some of the details, but not every last analysis of the problem etc. Also, when teaching, effective professors will base how much time is spent on slides by the classes reaction etc. In addition, there are readings that are expected, and may not be fully covered in class. If that is too difficult for you to handle, you probably shouldn't be in college in the first place. The goal of college is for you to learn, and to learn for yourself. Not to illustrate that if spoonfed knowledge for 4 years that you can remember enough of it to pass the tests.

      In addition, at least in engineering there are many example problems that would just be too difficult or awkward to do in powerpoint. Part of watching someone solve a problem, is watching the steps they go through to solve it. Sure this might be doable in powerpoint, but it would be a waste of a professor's time to spend a couple hours making the example in powerpoint when he could write it down on paper in 5 minutes. Plus many professors like to ask their students for input when solving example problems. At least in computer engineering there are often multiple solutions that are good, so having a powerpoint reduces you to a script that you can't violate. A good professor should be able to show examples that are targeted for the students, which often can only be done on the spot.

      One last thing, part of why professors say "not everything will be covered in the slides" is because they want to make sure that after a test they don't have 10s of students coming up to them whining about how "this wasn't covered fully in the slides", or more likely "show me where we covered XYZ in the slides". Students can be whiny at times, and if you don't make these disclaimers, you'll be in trouble. Plus sometimes test questions are very similar to homework problems that weren't fully covered in the lectures. The ideas were likely covered, but not the exact type of problem due to time constraints.

      Sorry, but courses cannot always, and should not cater to the students who don't want to go to lecture, skip homeworks etc. If you don't put an effort into it, it is not the professors fault if/when you struggle.

      Phil

    25. Re:Most professors guilty? by jafac · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If this is the case - then why are university tuition costs skyrocketing at multiples of inflation for the past several decades? Where the fuck, exactly is all this money going? Football scholarships?

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    26. Re:Most professors guilty? by Minwee · · Score: 2, Insightful

      (a) you have it backwards -- you want to pick the pay first, and then the job, rather than getting paid for the work you do;

      I think it's more than just having it backwards, you're looking at employment as though it was something created by the employee. First you pick the job that you need done, then you hire someone to do it. Whether you pay them and provide them with what they need to do their job helps you attract the right people and keep them from going somewhere else when their EI runs out.

      (b) your argument boils down to conjectures and assumptions.

      Hi, Pot, my name is Kettle. Pleased to meet you.

      You have also ignored the question of whether paying adjuncts more would be the best use of teaching dollars, rather than (say) improving facilities or reducing class sizes.

      While you're at it, why not have the students teach themselves? Then you could get out of hiring teachers altogether and reduce class sizes to one!

      If it were a question of sessional instructors making the same as tenured or tenure track faculty then your argument would have some merit, but sessionals at many universities are working full time for less than $15,000 a year. That puts them below the poverty line in several parts of the country and well below minimum wage almost everywhere. I'm not "ignoring the question" of whether paying teachers enough to live on any more than I "ignore the question" of whether or not classes should be taught while ankle deep in kerosene.

    27. Re:Most professors guilty? by TopherC · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I taught for a while at a college where very few professors did any research. I struggled to do a little bit of research but ultimately did not have enough time to devote to it. But I did see some of the reasons why keeping current in the field (by doing research) is important for professors. It is very difficult to divide one's time appropriately into teaching and research.

  2. Career preparation by belthize · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wow, I'm old. I never really stopped and thought about just how horrid modern class rooms have become, I certainly never pictured some twit droning on from a canned Power Point.

      On the upside you'll be properly prepared for any number of meetings.

    1. Re:Career preparation by plague3106 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As opposed to mountains of overheads?

      I don't get the powerpoint bashing... most classes I've been in used the overhead projector, seems like PP is just a replacement for that (at least its more visually appealing than boring black text on white).

    2. Re:Career preparation by noundi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Wow, I'm old. I never really stopped and thought about just how horrid modern class rooms have become, I certainly never pictured some twit droning on from a canned Power Point.

        On the upside you'll be properly prepared for any number of meetings.

      Wow, you are old. You didn't have books when you went to school? I can tell you that a teacher reading from a book is even worse. The problem is not books nor powerpoint, the problem is teachers or professors that couldn't care less.

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  3. Actually by Dunbal · · Score: 4, Informative

    There's a RIGHT way to use a computerized slides, and a WRONG way. MOST people do it the wrong way - trying to cram as much text as possible onto a single slide, then reading the slides to the audience. I won't even mention those that think their presentation isn't complete without AT LEAST 100 slides filled with, after everyone's brain has switched off, gibberish.

          Slides are meant to ENHANCE and SUPPORT a presentation, not BE the presentation. They will NOT turn a mediocre teacher into a great one. I have a doctorate, so I've probably been in more years of classes than the author of the article (3rd year of college). I have been in some excellent world class courses that relied heavily on power point presentations (my microbiology teacher was just a GOOD teacher). And I have attended mind blisteringly dull lectures done on chalk (or whiteboard) in such varied topics as biochemistry and physiology (that cardiologist who will remain nameless - she simply doesn't know how to teach!). It's not the medium, it's the teacher.

          Being a leader in your field or winning awards and prizes does NOT necessarily qualify you to teach well - that is an art in itself. And any number of audio-visual aids will not hide the fact that you're just a boring person that has no idea how to get your message across.

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    1. Re:Actually by lapsed · · Score: 3, Informative

      I posted a comment about this below, but I think the point is important enough for me to make it here too. ESL students find it easier to read than to listen. The more written material there is on the slide, the more they understand.

    2. Re:Actually by Joiseybill · · Score: 2, Interesting

      True -

      working in IT support, I see so many professors who are frustrated by students who are playing solitaire, chatting, or even doing homework for another class during a lecture. The most insecure want some kind of technology solution to shut down all the student wi-fi during classes. These tend to be the same professors reading the text copied from the publisher's PowerPoint pack in a monotone drone.

      Anyone contemplating using PP or any other class presentation software/s should be forced to sit through at least one Edward Tufte lecture.. some of his proposals are a little extreme, but I've seen the lectures and bought the library. http://www.edwardtufte.com/

    3. Re:Actually by jgtg32a · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Learn the difference between a PowerPoint presentation and a presentation using PowerPoint

    4. Re:Actually by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The only advantage that power point has vs. the old ways is the fact you can Download the Slides for further studying so you are not franticly trying to get all the information as notes. (which for some people) Distract them from actually listening and learning the material, and getting any of the tangents where the real stuff is learned. However even back in my day professors often had pre printed overhead transparencies, which were made by the publisher which made things just as bad as with powerpoint. Or worse the professor who kept the transparencies when he use to care about his class and just put up the hand written notes and put a piece of paper on top of it so you wouldn't get ahead of them.

      Any Media can be used for good or for evil.

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    5. Re:Actually by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Many professors or would be professors have little to no skill or training as instructors.

      Quite true. The university system rewards publications, not teaching. It's amusing that, to teach first grade, you have to take several years of classes and a couple of student teaching-assignments to get a certificate, but to teach college, you need to have only a good background in research.

      Of course, as far as I can tell from talking to my friends who are teachers, 95% of the content of the educational curriculum is worthless. (I do occasionally hear praise for about 5% of it.)

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    6. Re:Actually by matlhDam · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In certain contexts -- actual ESL classes being an obvious one -- what you say makes sense. But in the broader context of this discussion (IT/science classes and anything similar), I disagree; if a student's going to study at a university that teaches in English, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect them to be able to follow a presentation, even if said presentation is simply a talk around a set of blackboard examples and doesn't feature notes at all.

      At any rate, lecture notes shouldn't really be primary written sources anyway. Some people simply learn better from a written text regardless of language: that's why there are textbooks and online references, and a student who's struggling with lectures should probably be looking at those rather than a collection of slides skimming over the material. The lecture notes should really be, at most, an adjunct to what's being said, and that's where the less is more mentality (rightly, IMHO) comes in.

    7. Re:Actually by CheshireCatCO · · Score: 2, Interesting

      We can take this further: if you're lecturing the whole time, you've already failed. Lecturing. Doesn't. Work.

      (And the blogger's cited study not withstanding, I've also seen studies that show that sitting in lecture furiously taking notes is *not* an effective way of learning. It may be better than sitting in lecture and zoning, but it's far better not to lecture.)

      I'm a professor and I do use PowerPoint. For the 10-20 minutes of each period (70 min) that I actually am in lecture mode, anyway. It lets me post notes ahead of time (something many students have thanked me for, both for saving them time and for when they've gotten sick), put extra notes at the end I don't intended to cover in class (but want to add for anyone interested) and include a lot of figures and images that wouldn't work well with the board or transparencies. (A slide projector would, at minimum, be required.)

      Now, granted, I don't follow my slides slavishly. I frequently (too frequently, it feels like) diverge from them. And I don't expect my lecture to actually cover the entire material. That's daft. The students have to do the reading, even in a science class. The lecture is just there to highlight the important points, add anything I feel would help, or clarify a poorly explained bit of the text. (The latter happens rarely since I chose the textbook carefully.)

    8. Re:Actually by digitig · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There's a RIGHT way to use a computerized slides, and a WRONG way.

      I once attended a presentation at which the presenter had been ordered by the organisers to use a Powerpoint presentation. The powerpoint presentation he used was just a slideshow of classic artworks (unrelated to the presentation) which went on in the background while he gave an excellent talk on the actual subject. I file that under "RIGHT way".

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    9. Re:Actually by engun · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Having taken a fair amount of classes as well as having taught a couple of years myself, I can definitely agree with the parent's post.

      Neither chalk, power point nor even 3D animations can magically transform a boring lecturer into a fascinating one, if he/she simply does not perceive how receptive the audience is.

      It really isn't that hard to tell. If everything is whooshing over their heads, their confused faces will tell you that you need to change your tack.
      If they are yawning, then you're droning.
      If they aren't interacting with you, then you haven't made them comfortable or interested enough.

      The first step to becoming better is to actually notice that there's a problem.

      Sadly, too many teachers seem oblivious to how their students receive them. Worse, they seem to have no intention to improve or to quit, much to the detriment of the hapless individuals who have to endure their classes.

    10. Re:Actually by Math.sqrt(-1) · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I work as a technology specialist for distance learning in a community college, and when instructors want to put their courses online, a good number of them will simply ask us to convert their PPT presentations to a web-ready format, and they'll do a voice-over which consists of little more than a reading of the slides. Then, they'll post an announcement at the beginning of each week saying, "Read Chapter x, watch the PPT, and take the quiz" and think they're done. This happens with some of our finest instructors. What they fail to understand is that a PowerPoint does not a lesson make. While it was once an innovative tool which could be used to enhance a presentation, PowerPoint has turned into a crutch for those who are too lazy to explore new alternatives. Of course, in education, we also find that many of the instructors are Luddites who are reluctant to use PowerPoint in the first place. But once they start using it, it's a real hard sell to get them to use any alternatives.

    11. Re:Actually by xtracto · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Agreed. CS PhD here.

      I have been reading the "Power Presenter" ( http://www.amazon.com/Power-Presenter-Technique-Strategy-Americas/dp/0470376481 ) to improve my presentation skills.

      I was surprised in the wrong way when preparing y first demonstration course during my PhD years in the UK. It seems everyone uses overhead slides for *all* lectures (every single day).

      Having studied my undergraduate courses in a public university in Mexico, I was raised by chalkboard and (if you were lucky to get the room) whiteboard lectures.

      Whiteboard in my opinion encourages the interaction between student and teacher. Of course I do remember a teacher whose "teaching" consisted in turning the back to the students and write in the blackboard whatever chunk of text he had prepared the night before (or maybe 5 years ago).

      Another issue that saddened me from the UK was the lack of communication between the teacher and the students. I remember becoming good friend with several of my teachers during undergrad. In the UK, as each class has more than 50 students, the teacher only goes to the classroom, talks his slides and gets out of the room. If there are any assignments they are usually explained in the last slide.

      But I guess that different types of education are suitable for different types of people.

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    12. Re:Actually by bkr1_2k · · Score: 3, Informative

      In certain contexts -- actual ESL classes being an obvious one -- what you say makes sense. But in the broader context of this discussion (IT/science classes and anything similar), I disagree; if a student's going to study at a university that teaches in English, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect them to be able to follow a presentation, even if said presentation is simply a talk around a set of blackboard examples and doesn't feature notes at all.

      No it's not unreasonable to expect students to be able to keep up, but that doesn't make the point any less valid. As someone who's taken classes not in my native tongue, I can tell you it definitely makes a huge difference, especially with technical subjects or new subject matter, to have written (clearly--some people just don't have good handwriting) materials.

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  4. It Works If The Professor Made the Slides by curmudgeon99 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Speaking as a former professor who has written two entire semesters of Powerpoint lectures in Java, I think the medium is especially effective if the professor knows the material. I gave away my lectures and posted them online forever, so my students loved them. I also do not use powerpoint as just static slides. I use the animation feature to simulate the execution of code, showing (not telling) how variables are handled, how pass by value versus pass by reference works--things like that. It is really valuable if the professor is not a lazy sack of shit. That's the real problem--lazy professors. Profs who write their own lectures are anything but lazy.

  5. It's not the tech, it's the prof by PHPNerd · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I went to undergrad from 2002-2006. I had profs who used PowerPoint daily and I learned a ton from them. I had profs who used a "good old chalk talk" and they were awful. When it comes down to it, it's the prof. If he's a gifted teacher, it will shine through no matter which medium he chooses. Do yourself a favor and look up reviews for your profs before you sign up for their class.

    1. Re:It's not the tech, it's the prof by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ratemyprofessors.com contains utter bullshit

      The "easy" profs get the good ratings.

      The excellent teachers, but heavy in terms or assigned workload are deemed mediocre.

      The "hard" profs are deemed poor.

      ratemyprofessors.com is for lazy students looking to avoid real work.

      Choose courses by word of mouth by meeting people in person - you can judge whether someone thinks a prof is "awesome" because the course is an auto-A+ or whether they actually learned something.

  6. different for ESL students by lapsed · · Score: 4, Informative

    Until recently, I was a vocal opponent of PowerPoint. I had read Tufte's essay and applied the assertion-evidence structure to my slides. When presenting certain types of data to an english audience, these measures are effective.
    But when a relevant percentage of the audience does not understand English, or when the presenter does not speak English, writing the entire presentation down on the slides and reading off the slides is a more effective way of communicating. ESL students are more able to comprehend what they read than what they hear. What 'using powerpoint well' means is a function of the audience and the material.

  7. Chalk talk rules by Dynetrekk · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I've got a masters degree in physics, and I'm now teaching as part of my duties as a PhD studies. At my university, most professors give "chalk talks", and some use presentation software. In my experience, presentation software lets the lecturer skip quickly ahead before the students have time to make up their mind about "what just happened", and don't have time to take notes. During a chalk talk, the speed of progress is limited by the time it takes to write up that big nasty equation, and the lecture proceeds at a natural pace. Most importantly, the students more easily see how you think while doing a calculation; if using a powerpoint slide, forget that.

    Conclusion? Chalk Talk rules for fundamental science teaching. Powerpoint is probably OK for management theory classes.

  8. o What's Wrong With Powerpoint by BigBlueOx · · Score: 5, Funny

    Today we're talking about what's wrong with Powerpoint.

    o And Why It Should Be Banned

    And why its use should be banned.

    o Speakers just put up bullet list and then read from it.

    The biggest problem is that speakers put up a Powerpoint bullet list and then just read from it.

    o Like their audience is illiterate or sumpin.

    Like they think their audience is a bunch of illiterates or sumpin.

    o Powerpoint presenters also say things like "actionizing our solutioning".

    Also, Powerpoint seems to encourage speakers to say things like "actionizing our solutioning".

    SLIDE 1

    Let's move to slide 2.

    1. Re:o What's Wrong With Powerpoint by jonaskoelker · · Score: 2, Funny

      Your post advocates a

      (X) technical ( ) legislative ( ) market-based ( ) vigilante

      approach to fighting PowerPoint. Your idea will not work. Here is why it won't work.
      (One or more of the following may apply to your particular idea, and it may
      have other flaws which used to vary from state to state before a bad federal
      law was passed.)

      ( ) Professors can easily use it to harvest email addresses
      (X) Boardroom presentations and other legitimate PowerPoint uses would be affected
      ( ) No one will be able to find the guy or collect the money
      ( ) It is defenseless against brute force attacks
      ( ) It will stop PowerPoint for two weeks and then we'll be stuck with it
      (X) Users of PowerPoint will not put up with it
      (X) Microsoft will not put up with it
      ( ) The police will not put up with it
      (X) Requires too much cooperation from professors
      ( ) Requires immediate total cooperation from everybody at once
      (X) Many PowerPoint users cannot afford to lose business or alienate potential
      employers
      ( ) Professors don't care about invalid student IDs in their lists
      ( ) Anyone could anonymously destroy anyone else's career or business

      Specifically, your plan fails to account for

      ( ) Laws expressly prohibiting it
      ( ) Lack of centrally controlling authority for PowerPoint
      ( ) Open diploma mills in foreign countries
      ( ) Ease of searching tiny alphanumeric address space of all email addresses
      ( ) Asshats
      ( ) Jurisdictional problems
      ( ) Unpopularity of weird new taxes
      ( ) Public reluctance to accept weird new forms of money
      (X) Huge existing software investment in PPT
      ( ) Susceptibility of protocols other than SMTP to attack
      ( ) Willingness of users to install OS patches received by email
      ( ) Armies of worm riddled broadband-connected Windows boxes
      ( ) Eternal arms race involved in all filtering approaches
      (X) Extreme profitability of tenure
      ( ) Joe jobs and/or identity theft
      ( ) Technically illiterate politicians
      ( ) Extreme stupidity on the part of people who do business with professors
      ( ) Dishonesty on the part of professors themselves
      ( ) Bandwidth costs that are unaffected by client filtering
      (X) Outlook

      and the following philosophical objections may also apply:

      ( ) Ideas similar to yours are easy to come up with, yet none have ever
      been shown practical
      ( ) Any scheme based on opt-out is unacceptable
      ( ) SMTP headers should not be the subject of legislation
      ( ) Blacklists suck
      ( ) Whitelists suck
      (X) We should be able to have presentations about Viagra without being censored
      ( ) Countermeasures should not involve wire fraud or credit card fraud
      ( ) Countermeasures should not involve sabotage of public networks
      ( ) Countermeasures must work if phased in gradually
      (X) Giving talks should be free
      ( ) Why should we have to trust you and your servers?
      (X) Incompatiblity with open source or open source licenses
      ( ) Feel-good measures do nothing to solve the problem
      ( ) Temporary/one-time email addresses are cumbersome
      ( ) I don't want the government reading my slides
      (X) Killing them that way is not slow and painful enough

      Furthermore, this is what I think about you:

      (X) Sorry dude, but I don't think it would work.
      ( ) This is a stupid idea, and you're a stupid person for suggesting it.
      ( ) Nice try, assh0le! I'm going to find out where you live and burn your
      house down!

  9. Powerpoint sucks in schools by Pedrito · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There are various reasons why power point should be banned from schools. There's nothing wrong with power point, per se, but professors who use it, tend to abuse it and use it in ways that are counter to a learning environment.

    I took a biology class a few years back where the professor provided a powerpoint presentation for every class. We were supposed to print it out before class and then in class, he would read through the power point presentation. Literally, word for word, reading the presentation, with little or no additional information. Obviously, once I figured out this was his modus operandi, I stopped going to the clas, as I'm quite capable of reading a power point presentation myself.

    The problem with power point is that it's presenter (teacher) centric. This is fine in some forums, but in a classroom, a class lesson should be student centric. Students should interact and ask questions. The lesson should go at the pace that the students can absorb it, not at the pace the teacher can present it.

    If all that's required to learn the information is to read, then why even have a class? Just give the kids a book and send them on their way...

  10. Overheads Rock by Nessak · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The rise of PowerPoint for teaching is something I've been annoyed with for years. Honestly the best teaching tool my Professors ever used was the overhead transparency projector -- the type where the transparency was on a spool that the professor cranked to get a clean surface. This was far more legible then chalk, plus you could go crank the transparency spool in the opposite direction after class if you missed something. Not chalk dust either.

    Powerpoint is annoying as professors tend to only put meaningless bullet points and skip working out the equations in real time, explaining as they go along. A good professor is interactive with the class, not just someone who reads from a script pointed at the screen. Sadly, this is way most (but not all) PowerPoint professors operate.

  11. The proper way to use Powerpoint by SomeoneGotMyNick · · Score: 4, Funny

    .....is certainly not demonstrated in this video. However, I do see more and more of this style these days

    How NOT to use Powerpoint

  12. A chalk-talk instructor here by Schiphol · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well, I teach an undergraduate course and avoid using presentation software -which, anyway, would have been Lyx plus Beamer for me-, for largely the kind of reasons advanced in TFA. Most of my colleagues use PowerPoint or something similar this days.

    And I'm starting to notice that many students actually prefer the PP-teachers. They want to have the information delivered in formulaic pills, "Concept A stands for blah; Concept B stands for bleh", and this is more easily achieved if the formulae in question are neatly projected on the screen. I could achieve the same effect by dictating, of course, but that's even more boring and less empowering for students that PowerPoint.

  13. Learning is hard work, deal with it. by khchung · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The interesting thing for me is I am old enough to remember when students complain that some professors actually still writes on the board instead of using powerpoint! Because (1) their handwriting is poor, (2) professors write too fast anyway, trying to copy and listen at the same time is too much for many students, (3) professors could send out the powerpoint if they used it, so students don't have to copy them down!

    Now, cue a decade later, professors used powerpoints and student complained they do not write on the board.

    Yeah, right.

    Newsflash! Learning is hard work. Unlike watching movies where you just sit in stupor for 2 hours and be entertained, when you attend a lecture you work hard to absorb and understand the materials presented by the professor. Most professor don't have $100M movie budget and 2 years to prepare a 2 hour lecture to entertain you.

    If the presentation is lacking, then you take the effort to understand the content from it. If you cannot find any content in the lecture, then the course is probably not for you, either too easy or too hard, go enroll in another course, or read the textbooks yourself if you think the lectures are too easy.

    You are responsible for your own learning. And if you are good, you might have understood this already before you leave school.

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  14. Technology generally sucks in the classroom by dvorakkeyboardrules · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Just my personal opinion, but I think a reliance on technology for technologies sake can be an impediment to great education. Human interaction is an important part of communication and teaching.

    Not only powerpoint, but some classes at my alma matter began having so-called laptop classes. I had one for calculus II. It was basically an excuse for kids to goof off. People were instant messaging each other or going on the internet. Laptop classes are a waste in most cases in my opinion, unless it is graduate work and complex programs are needed. It is like teaching from a powerpoint. If a lecturer just repeats exactly what is on the powerpoint it is extremely boring.

    Give me a professor who wants to interact with students and really teach, and I will take that every time over any great online lecture, powerpoint slides, etc.

  15. Little time to digest, heh by Lemming+Mark · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "Unlike an old-school chalk talk, professors who use PowerPoint tend to present topics very quickly, leaving little time to digest the visuals or to take learning-reinforcing notes"

    Sounds like how my professors used to lecture with printed slides and, to a lesser extent, when writing slides by hand during the lecture. To cover the material, the lectures couldn't really have gone much slower but this can be addressed by providing students with decent printed notes, which all too often were missing or of extremely poor quality. The degree was very educational but to a large extent this was due to the hard work of students in their study time and due to the small group teaching that followed the lectures and attempted to pick up the pieces.

    Not fantastic value-for-money given how expensive these courses are - but to some extent, that's what's going to happen if you choose *teaching* roles based on how good at research a professor is. Or for that matter, based on how senior and entrenched in the department and university a professor is. If you're going to pay someone to do something, you ought to have some decent oversight and minimum standards they are required to meet. Universities are not good at this sort of thing in my experience.

  16. Re:Amazing that Lectures Still Exist by Kamokazi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is why I actually *LIKED* Power Points when I was in college. I could download them, and in most cases skip the lecture and just study off the Power Point.

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  18. Presentation software is just a tool. by Qbertino · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Presentation software is just a tool. I had a professor who could actually handle it pretty well. He had his slides set up in a very simple but readable manner, they weren't cramped. They were to the point, short and very well planned. And he gave each of his students a miniature printout of the lectures slides, so that everybody could anotate each one by himself with whatever they needed.

    He'd use maybe 40 slides in a 90 minute lecture. His talk was educating, informative, sometimes quite humorous and you could actually understand what he was saying simply because he didn't have to hop around 3 chalkboards all the time but could stay put at the podium. He was allways well prepared and his lectures where a feast. And that even though it was a hard subject (IT-electronics subcurriculum in CS).

    Bottom line:
    Presentation software, just like chalkboards, are nothing but tools. Use them badly or in the wrong way and your results will be accordingly (like, f.i., cramped, braindead presentation-slides or crappy handwriting on chalkboards ... duh). Use them correctly and you will be able to utilise the benefits that they bring along. It's that simple.

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  19. No, it's school by NoYob · · Score: 2, Interesting
    School is hard work.

    Learning is easy because it's an innate human ability. Humans learn best when it's trial and error, through discovery and at their own pace. Unfortunately, that doesn't fit in with the structured classroom where everyone is forced to learn at a minimum pace and using the same materials.

    Formal education is backwards and was designed for the ease of the teacher.

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  20. Slides are good to show examples by Pigeon451 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Powerpoint is great for showing concepts through demonstration. Videos and animations can greatly enhance the student learning process. Of course there is a right way and wrong way to do this. I've come to prefer learning via Powerpoint instead of chalk boards (ugh) or transparencies. It's a bonus if we can get the slides ahead of time to print out and bring to class. That way we can write notes on our slides during the class.

  21. PowerPoint doesn't bore people, people bore people by sunnytzu · · Score: 2, Interesting

    While it is important that there are opportunities for use of different learning styles, (such as the blogger wanting to be able to take notes during a talk) there will also be others that learn differently.
    The blogger may find it best to take notes on everything that the professor is saying - there are others for whom it will be most productive to sit and listen intently and not take any notes at all.
    The problem seems to be then, not the PowerPoint itself, but the pacing that the professors use. If they are to do problems on PowerPoint, they should have the steps appear gradually as they are working through the problem, and use the appropriate pacing, to ensure that students have the opportunity to follow the problem.
    As for not having handouts of the PowerPoint slide, or their availability being in some way a disadvantage - I would say it's time to grow up. Adults are responsible for their own learning. If someone knows that they learn best by taking notes, then take notes anyway. The availability of the notes after the class will be something very positive for many others, and to request that the notes not be available for their sake is to fail to recognize the learning needs of others.

  22. From the other side by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I’ve been a computer science professor for many years at a very good university, and in most of my classes I try to *only* use slides for images or diagrams that are so complicated or precise that I would not want to reproduce them by hand. Everything else is either me talking or writing on the whiteboard. Sometimes I have handwritten notes to remind me what topics I wanted to cover.

    My students, for the most part, HATE this. It completely turns their expectations of a class upside down. After a few weeks, I start getting a deluge of “when are the slides going to be online” from the students who never attend class and don’t realize that there aren’t slides. Even students who *are* in class complain bitterly that they don’t have “anything to study from”. I’ve had students complain (in groups, sometimes with signed petitions) to my department chair and to my dean, saying that not providing slides creates (and I quote from one recent complaint) an “unreasonable expectation of attendance and/or note-taking”. I have fielded angry phone calls from PARENTS saying that their student isn’t doing well in my course because I’m not providing him/her with the “expected study aids”. None of this is made up.

    I’ve seen identical behavior from freshmen in a required core course, seniors in a high-level elective, and graduate students in an automata-theory course. At least in the automata course they have a textbook so wonderfully clear that they really *can* learn the material from it (Sipser, and no I didn’t write it). They all crave powerpoint and suffer withdrawal when they don’t have it, because it means they have to engage in (and go to!) the lecture and not just try to cram from the slides at the last minute.

    When I receive these complaints, I explain as patiently as I can that these are precisely the reasons I eschew slides, and why I value the attention and dialogue that writing and extemporaneous speaking facilitate. I think students get the point, but they didn’t come to college to think, try, and learn. They came to college so they could get a degree so they can get a job, and anything that stands in their way must be stopped.

  23. Re:it's gonna get worse... by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They are just going with the flow. Most knowledge workers I know have already lost the art of writing good documents, reports, or even a well-structured email. All written communication is dumbed down to lists of bullet points. Sometimes managers demand it (sometimes they even specify the required number of bullets), but it has become the default form of communication for most.

    In college we did a course on effective communications... one of the things they drilled into us is that the slides are not the handout or the report, the slides belong with the presentation. Somewhat paradoxically good slides cannot stand on their own; if you provide them as a handout, they will require supporting text (which Powerpoint provides space for, by the way!). Don't be tempted to put everything on the slides themselves.

    Sadly I see more and more reports and documents being crammed into monolythic and insanely ill-structured Powerpoints, which get presented then get mailed round as the final documentation to be archived. Send a "proper" presentation with supporting documentation, and you'll get complaints about the poor quality of your slides; the document that contains the imformation that is actually important will go unread, of course. Send only the document, and they'll reply: "I am not reading all that", even if there is a good executive summary.

    (ps. That doesn't mean that we do not produce Word documents anymore, on the contrary! Preferably documents based on ill-designed templates asking for meaningless and/or useless informations, that serves only to tick certain boxes in the process, and will be filed unread and unused. Oh, I'm not bitter or anything...)

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  24. I am a prof, and I agree!! by bradley13 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Damn, I wish my school administration would read this. Every time a building is remodeled, the projector screens get larger and the boards get smaller. In the newest rooms, the whiteboard is about 70cm high and 140cm wide (30" by 60") - nearly useless. Meanwhile, the projection screen is huge, six or eight times that size. I am forced to put most of my material in the presentation. There ain't no other way to do it!

    While I'm venting: there are no blackboards anymore, only whiteboards. Why anyone think these abominations are progress is beyond me: the pens can't deliver ink fast enough - the first few words are nice, then they get faint and the pens don't recover until they sit for a good, long while. I suppose the suits didn't like chalk dust on their pinstripes, but give me a good quality blackboard any day.

    We're getting a new school building in two years. I will probably need a magnifying glass to find the whiteboards. Assuming they haven't been eliminated entirely...

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    1. Re:I am a prof, and I agree!! by MarkvW · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I suggest considering the purchase of something like the Wacom tablets. You can handwrite wonderfully with those things. The best ones even have displays behind them, so you can see what you're drawing.

      You can make your presentation work just like a blackboard. And, they're much easier to clean than a blackboard!

  25. Material from books by bradley13 · · Score: 2, Informative

    As a prof, I get to see the lovely material that comes with books. It generally sucks. The publisher takes the illustrations out of the book, has someone who clearly doesn't understand the material copy in a few bullet points, and that's it.

    Anyway, the students don't need the book to be read to them. The prof needs to present a different explanation with different examples - to give a different viewpoint. Any prof who uses the slides provided with the book is not doing the job.

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  26. Re:Stick and dirt by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When the student is ready to learn something, the teacher will become available.

    If this were even remotely close to true, the world would be a much better place. We need more teachers, and as a society we're not promoting them. Everything from the way we pay actual teachers-by-trade to the way our society addresses founts of knowledge as "know-it-alls" and "smart-asses" blunts the urge to teach.

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  27. Death By Powerpoint by Rex+Stone · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I would direct any professor to this link: http://lifehacker.com/323554/stop-death-by-powerpoint I have my executives go through this before attempting to create their presentation.

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