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Two Sunken Japanese Submarines Found Off Hawaii
Ponca City, We love you writes "The NY Times reports that two World War II Japanese submarines, including one meant to carry aircraft for attacks on American cities, have been found in deep water off Hawaii where they were sunk in 1946. Specifically designed for a stealth attack on the US East Coast — perhaps targeting Washington, DC and New York City — the 'samurai subs' were fast, far-ranging, and some carried folding-wing aircraft. Five Japanese submarines were captured by American forces at the end of the war and taken to Pearl Harbor for study, then towed to sea and torpedoed, probably to avoid having to share any of their technology with the Russian military. One of the Japanese craft, the I-201, was covered with a rubberized coating on the hull, an innovation intended to make it less apparent to sonar or radar; it was capable of speeds of about 20 knots while submerged, making it among the fastest diesel submarines ever made. The other, the I-14, much larger and slower, was designed to carry two small planes, Aichi M6A Seirans that could be brought onto the deck and launched by a catapult. The submarines were meant to threaten the United States directly, but none of the attacks occurred because the subs were developed too late in the war, and American intelligence was too good. 'It's very moving to see objects like this underwater,' says Hans Van Tilburg of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, 'because it's a very peaceful environment, but these subs were designed for aggression.'"
Speaking as a guy who's spent time on modern boats, anyone who can get the opportunity to tour a submarine should do so without delay. It's awesome to see photos, but it's even better when you seen the insides at work.
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two shrunken heads were also found
a bit wrinkled though
The whales and dolphins, or the chickens and cows?
Sounds kind of interesting, but I haven't heard of it. How does that work? I assume it's not like the typical medieval catapult.
And this is news for nerds because?
The article fails to discuss any technology involved in finding the subs. In fact, at 2600 feet deep, these subs aren't even as deep as the Titanic (12600ft).
This whole story provoked a "oh, that's nice, good for them" feeling. Certainly not earth-shattering news about cutting edge IT/physics/nano/quantum technology... Or I wonder how much the NY Times is paying slashdot. Didn't we already agree that Rupert Murdoch is evil enough?
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It's very moving to see objects like this underwater
Compared to those damn flying submarines...
There was also a third sub. This one had 8 tentacle arms, and loved to rape pixelated pussies with them. Instead of sending it off to war like the others, the Japanese found it to be cute, and kept it as a pet.
When I first read this headline, I thought they had located the missing midget submarine used to attack Pearl Harbor. (See this) This is not the case. That ship still remains lost.
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Gojira!!!!
And The First Sub Says, "sup sub?"
Second sub says, "Sub witchoo"
I know, right?
Gojira!!!!
Earth's only hope for survival will be to resurrect these two subs as spaceships to kick some Gamilon ass.
"Leader Dessslok, it's as if we're fighting a ghost ship! How can an old Earth submarine defeat all of Gamilon?"
Hurry Starforce, there are only 57 days before all life on Earth becomes extinct!
If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
And yes the aircraft were recoverable by the sub crew: they were seaplanes, and would be picked up by a crane aboard the sub.
You can read a summary of US-mainland attacks here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_United_States_territory_in_North_America_during_World_War_II#Japanese_assaults
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The 25 Museum Submarines Located Across The USA - Listed In Order Of Launch Date
Clive Cussler has written quite a number of excellent thrillers; one of them is about a sunken Japanese sub containing a biochemical warfare agent. So maybe we're only getting half the story... :-)
Well worth reading, IMO.
Thank God those whales and dolphins bombed Hiroshima or we might have had to face more of these things.
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The Freudian implications of a large, phallically-shaped object coated in rubber cannot be ignored.
This ain't rocket surgery.
If only these submarines would have been able to carry out their missions! It's possible that they could have killed military or political ringleaders whose decisions led the the dropping of atomic bombs on two civilian cities in one of the most cowardly attacks on civilians and civilian infrastructure in world history. All that serves to be learned from WWII is that the rules are written by the victors to punish the defeated and "war crimes" are only committed by the losers.
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USS Silversides (SS-236) Active in WWII from April of 1941 to July 1945, and saw quite a bit of action.
Can be seen at the Great Lakes Naval Memorial & Museum.
In Muskegon, MI. They have several "overnight" programs for Cub Scouts and Indian Guides and such so you can spend the night sleeping in the bunks, as well as eat in the galley, watch Das Boot, etc. Very very very cool for kids and adults both.
With the first link, the chain is forged.
And we're supposed to feel bad about nuking the Japanese to end the war?
Fuck them. If they didn't want to die, the didn't have to attack us.
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You can go through the entire sub from front to end.
I have done this a couple times and take relatives down to it when they come in town, than you can go right next to the Queen Mary all here in Long Beach, CA.
Lots of ducking your head and pipes everywhere, a plumber would get a hard on walking through it all.
WWII fleet sub, pretty awesome to see. There's a Liberty ship right next to it, which is also pretty neat.
The USS Nautilus is in Groton, Connecticut.
Great book about salvaging the S-51, in 1926.
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so its not surprising
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You insensitive clod. Just thinking about being under the Arctic ice in a metal tube makes me think that perhaps there is a case for encouraging global warming after all.
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I have doubts about this - with the Panama canal under Allied control, getting to the east coast USA from Japan would have been VERY far-ranging.
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I'd never heard before about a Japanese one. The german u-boat U480 that was apparently recently re-located used a rubberized coating intended to absorb sonar to make it less easy to detect. Other sources I've read claim it was covered in some sort of polyurethane that, as it cured, developed engineered-size air pockets that were tuned to absorb sonar pulses. I'm assuming they transferred the technology to Japan, because I've read some about the subject and there's a lot of literature on the German program but I'd never heard about the Japanese one before. One of the things I found interesting about it was that the USA and USSR sub designers apparently didn't try to develop this sort of technology for another 30 years after WWII, preferring to concentrate on making the subs quieter.
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I should research more before hitting reply: this forum has a lot more info about both the material and the history of the research & development, and has a comparison picture of one of the stealth boats compared to a normal one.
Nostalgia's not what it used to be.
On June 20, 1942 a submarine also attacked a Lighthouse in Vancouver Island in British Columbia. It is the only attack on Canadian soil since the war of 1812, and I believe the only one since. While the attack was pretty useless it did cause all the lighthouses off the coast to be turned off. This was to prevent submarines from using them, but also created a nightmare for mariners. http://www.pinetreeline.org/rds/detail/rds99-34.html
You were in a long black tube in Bangor. The most memorable things were getting to feel a big vertical shaft and getting cream in your mouth?
All that homoerotic innuendo, and no reference to seamen? I am a little disappointed in you...
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"for all the marvelous engineering and history surrounding the ship, it was a ship made for war and therefore AWESOME!"
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The submarine type mentioned, the one designed to carry folding aircraft and a catapult for launching, was actually used in the only aerial attack on the contiguous United States by the Japanese during WWII (both Alaska and Hawaii were attacked by aircraft) if one does not count the numerous attack balloons sent aloft by the Japanese.
One of these submarines surfaced off the coast of Oregon and launched one of it's folding aircraft. The plane then flew over forested tracts of land and dropped (by hand!) small incendiary bombs in an effort to start large-scale forest fires. One of these bombs landed on property NW of Langlois, Oregon, property that my Aunt and Uncle owned at the time. Fortunately, the Japanese had not taken into account just how damp the woods along that coast are during the summer months and they simply blew up a few trees. It is not unheard of for it to be raining there in June/July. The desired fires never happened.
It is unknown what became of the plane, but it is assumed it landed near the submarine (I believe they were float-equipped, but incapable of a water launch and thus needed the catapult), was folded up and stowed below deck again.
Though I do not recall the title, there is a book on the subject.
There was also an unverified report of a submarine off the coast of San Diego. An alarm was sounded but the sighting was later questioned.
I think you mean tora-tora-tora, unless you're talking about tuna.
"The submarines were meant to threaten the United States directly, but none of the attacks occurred because the subs were developed too late in the war, and American intelligence was too good."
Being an engineer, it strikes me that "being too late in the war" and "the enemy intelligence was too good" are not likely to be unrelated facts. It sounds like a classic case of coming up with a brilliant piece of engineering to fix a hopeless situation you should never have been in.
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