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Verizon Changes FiOS AUP, -1, Offtopic
RasputinAXP writes "Verizon has changed their FiOS AUP effective yesterday, and added an interesting new clause to their specific examples that we're all familiar with: 'it is a violation of the Agreement and this AUP to ... post off-topic information on message boards, chat rooms or social networking sites.' At this point, every FiOS-based Slashdot user is breaking the new AUP."
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Everything I don't want to talk about is Off Topic.
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At this point, every FiOS-based Slashdot user is breaking the new AUP.
I think I'll be the first one to stay ON TOPIC!!!
Seriously though - how are they going to enforce this without reading the information I'm sending over the net. Shouldn't that be Illegal?
I'm going straight to hell!
I'm not posting off topic, YOU are posting off topic!
If I were a Verizon FiOS customer I would change my sig to "That may seem off topic but it isn't." See? These aren't the droids you are looking for, after all.
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Discuss.
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Let's stay on topic. It's in the AUP.
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What's with people marking it Offtopic? He's totally right about [insert President/Cable Company/Microsoft/news site/vi/emacs/etc]. Obviously people on /. are too [insert Conservative/Liberal/nerdy/stupid/n00b].
So tonight President Obama is going to announce he's sending more troops into Verizon to help quell the fears that this company is too large to fail.
I think the /. admins should hand out 5 mod points to every user immediately, so we can go right ahead and mod every single post in this story offtopic.
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If I don't post an off-topic post to this article, am I off-topic?
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If they actually tried to enforce this wouldn't this just get shot down it court? I was somewhat under the impression that legal agreements i.e. terms of service etc. could not in any way restrict a persons constitutional rights?
The point is not if Cpt Caveman can make a good burger using moose meat, its whether or not Modern Warfare 2 should be made to be played on my nieces Elmo learning computer while listening to Oingo Boingo. I wish everyone would take time and truly understand what the article is talking about.
If I had mod points I'm not sure how I would mod you:
On the one hand, you're on-topic by speaking directly to the off-topic nature of the GP, but then, the real topic of this whole thread is "off-topic", which makes reference to the topic on-off-topic, which is ultimately off-topic, which is the focus of-
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Wait...if being offtopic IS the topic then posting on topic is offtopic as well as posting offtopic. So how does one get modded offtopic when EVERYTHING is on offtopic?
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Constitution of the United States:
... abridging the freedom of speech.
... in a manner that is obscene, sexually explicit, ..."
Bill of Rights -- Amendment I
Congress shall make no law
Constitution of Verizon:
"... it is a violation of the Agreement and this AUP to:"
"(k) use the service in any fashion for the transmission or dissemination of images
That, of course, uses Verizon's definitions of "obscene" and "sexually explicit", which subscribers can't know in advance, and Verizon executives probably don't know in advance. But they sure will recognize it when they see it?
Unfortunately for the executives at Verizon, a large part of the traffic on the internet is sexually explicit, and no one has been able to define "obscene" in a completely accurate manner.
I'm not arguing in favor of pornography. I'm arguing in favor of logic.
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I couldn't have said it better myself.
The Constitution doesn't apply to Verizon. Its a private entity*.
What might apply are the Safe Harbor provisions of the DMCA. If Verizon exercises editorial control over their customers' traffic, they might lose that, exposing them to the liability of their customers' actions. Think 'Deep Pockets'.
* Why corporations are exempt from provisions of the Constitution is a good question. As they are creations of the State, what rights do the States (or Feds) have to create entities that are not bound by the laws they themselves are bound by? But that's a subject for another discussion and being off-topic here, I run the risk of %^^^@@^^^@&& [NO CARRIER]
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It's none of Verizon's business to enforce usage policies of individual sites. Especially since they don't KNOW the usage policies of individual sites.
If this is limited to Verizon's own support forums, fine.
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[it is a violation of the Agreement and this AUP to]use the Service in Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Sudan and Syria
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Shit, and I was planning on subscribing to Verizon FIOS here in Pyongyang.
That AUP clause totally foils my plans
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What the hell mods, +5 funny, this is defentily off topic.
The Modern Warfare article is this way. ;)
And why does the ABOVE reply get modded offtopic whereas all the other offtopic replies get modded interesting, insigtful and funny? If something is offtopic in this thread, then it is my post now! ;-)
I would like to think of something off topic but my waffles are burning
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Sorry slashdotters. You don't have any rights to tell a company what they can and can't do with their network for the most part.
Their network is private, even if the public has the ability to use it. They can terminate you for any reason they'd like to, even if they don't like your race, sex, or religion.
They aren't even a monopoly in most of their service areas. They may be the only company that offers the type of service they offer but you can get phone, internet, and tv from someone else in every case. All of it can be handled by someone else using satellites. It may cost a lot more. It may not have the channels you want. It may not be as fast or up to your quality standards, but you CAN go elsewhere.
The basic complaint here is 'omg they are stating clearly that they may turn me off for doing something they don't like' rather than just leaving it to the default 'we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone.' Likewise, you certainly have the right to not use them.
The really sad thing that rather than a logical discussion about this, we have a bunch of people acting like angst ridden teenagers showing Verizon how cool they are by 'intentionally' posting stuff that would normally be deemed 'off topic'. The funny part about it is, its on topic to this discussion so you've utterly failed at that if you've bothered to go out of your way to be cool and post something off topic.
If this is the most you have to bitch about then you really don't have anything to bitch about, you're just being a whiney bitch and not doing anything useful.
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This is not a criminal matter, not in the least. Why do people insist on blurring that line?
Verizon cuts you off and you need to find a new ISP. If you're unable to do so, you might even have some kind of recourse.
If law enforcement 'cuts you off', you're in prison and finding an ISP is subsequently less important than keeping track of your bar of soap. Not to mention that any shot at the life of an ordinary citizen is completely forfeit.
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wow, you mods are really on the ball today...
do any of you dumbshit mods even RTFS before you start in, or are you just like "Ooooooooo, Mod Points!" as soon as the page loads?
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no no, none of the posts in this thread should be offtopic, that's the point
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You see that sort of thing entirely too rarely.
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They don't want it implied. They want it explicit. Because, they want to eliminate their liability.
Verizon doesn't intend to monitor your internet habits and cut you off if you regale us with stories of hot grits and Natalie Portman. But what they do intend to do is threaten you with disconnection anytime someone complains to them about your behavior. If someone complains to them that you didn't play nice on the internet, they are explicitly reserving the right to terminate your service by specifically including provisions that give them the legal right to disconnect you for anything they can anticipate will evoke complaints. If they receive a complaint that you posted a loldog to a lolcats thread -BOOM- they can d/c you for viloation of the AUP, and don't have to worry about paying a lawyer to defend such heavyhandedness. You have no grounds to litigate -- you violated their AUP.
In other words, it's there to allow them to protect themselves from third parties, not to actively regulate your behavior as a subscriber.
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The topic is about being off-topic? Open thread?
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While it looks like too many lawyers and non-lawyers were copying other services' AUPs, it looks like what they're really trying to do is give themselves leverage to drop you if you engage in activities that get them hit with too many complaints. That's not the same as saying that they'll go trying to police your postings (yeah, like that would make financial sense), but they want to be able to kill spammers, blog-comment-spammers, and anybody else that causes them trouble.
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