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SETI@Home Install Leads To School Tech Supervisor's Resignation

An anonymous reader writes "Apparently the most prolific of users in the SETI@Home community has resigned his job as a school technology supervisor after it was revealed he had the software installed on some 5000 school machines. The school claims to have lost $1 million in upkeep on the affected machines."

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  1. Oops by wamerocity · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I did this at my brothers company too. I thought that the program "ran on minimal resources" while the computers were being used. But shortly after installing them on a dozen programs, everyone was complaining about how slow their computers were, so I had to covertly remove them to hide the true reason why they were slow. Lesson learned. At least it didn't cost me my job.

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    1. Re:Oops by wamerocity · · Score: 3, Informative

      Correction: I did this with FOLDING@home, not SETI. I think SETI isn't as useful.

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    2. Re:Oops by oljanx · · Score: 5, Funny

      The aliens have already done all of that protein folding nonsense. Once we make contact they'll share their technology, making your silly Folding@home obsolete.

    3. Re:Oops by ucblockhead · · Score: 3, Interesting

      According to my math after using a Kill-A-Watt, running Folding@Home on my PS3 would cost me roughly $10/month in energy costs.

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  2. He also had equipment from the school at his home by vivin · · Score: 3, Informative

    I heard this story on NPR this morning.

    He probably shouldn't simply be installing software that isn't essential to his work function on machines that he does not own.

    I also heard on NPR that they found lots of equipment that belonged to the school at his residence. The criminal charges probably stem from that and not just for installing SETI@Home (haven't read the TFA so just speculating).

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  3. Re:Commendable... by FooAtWFU · · Score: 3, Insightful
    They were his machines to configure, as a technology supervisor. It's not like he hacked into the machines in the dark of night to set things up on the sly. Sure, his configuration may have been a failure as far as the business needs of the school system were concerned, but when TFA is claiming "there may be charges filed!!" ...

    Look, kids, it's a 1-million-dollar civics lesson. "Screw up in county-level government, and we'll sic the cops on you and paint you up as a UFO-worshipping freak or something." Uh-huh. And they wonder why the school systems of the nation can't hire anyone competent.

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  4. Ten years to find it on 5,000 computers? by bzzfzz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Only a school district or the government could have taken 10 years to find a CPU hog running on 5,000 computers.

  5. Guys, focus on what's important by cjfs · · Score: 5, Funny

    We just all went up a spot!

  6. Re:5,000 machines, US$1M by bzzfzz · · Score: 5, Informative

    40 watts x 24 hours x 365 days x 10 years x 5000 machines x $.06 /kwh = $1,051,200

  7. Re:But how is it a crime? by Delwin · · Score: 5, Informative

    The criminal part (that apparently wasn't in TFA) was the 18 school computers they found at his house that he'd taken home with him. This is a better source: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2009/11/30/20091130searchforaliens1202.html

  8. Re:5,000 machines, US$1M by MartijnL · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yes, because those CPU's are now running 100% load all the time. So no speedstepping down to a couple of hundred Mhz and saving power that way (which can be a lot). Plus he probably left them running 24x7.

  9. AUP? by flogger · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Most businesses or schools will have an Acceptable Use Policy. To paraphrase the AUP where I work, A person must have permission to install 3rd party software. This permission must come from building administration or Tech Department administration. If Joe Employee installs Seti without permission, that could be cause for termination. If I install Seti in my buildings' computers, it will be because I gave myself permission to do so. (Which I have, so I did.)

    However, this case seems to be with a difference of opinion. Ftfa: '"We support educational research and certainly would have supported cancer research," said Higley superintendent Denise Birdwell. "However, as an educational institution we do not support the search for E.T."'

    This is why the Tenure system was instituted. To prevent dismissals due to political or idealogical reasons. To say he would allow protein folding but not seti is asinine. When I decided between the two, I figured that finding ET would have a greater impact on society that a cure for cancer. Who knows, maybe ET will be able to help us cure diseases while curing diseases will not help us find ET.

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    1. Re:AUP? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is why the Tenure system was instituted. To prevent dismissals due to political or idealogical reasons.

      I'd say it's more along the lines of preventing dismissals for reasons of gross incompetence.

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    2. Re:AUP? by Eil · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The thing that has always bugged me about SETI is that after decades of scientifically-rigorous research, nothing has been found yet to even hint at the existence of extraterrestrial life as we define it. If we never find E.T., it may be because our definition of "life" is too narrow, or because there's really nothing else out there other than stars, black holes, and other mundane phenomena. It doesn't matter. Putting your own personal time and resources into SETI is like playing an intergalactic lottery: the payoff is mind-bogglingly huge, but the chance is winning is mind-bogglingly small. (I could expound upon the lottery analogy to further discuss why SETI is so attractive from a psychological perspective, but I think you get the point.)

      If SETI@Home were the only thing out there that I could put my unused cycles towards processing, I might go for it. But the fact is that there are plenty of other distributed computing projects that are generating data which is useful to scientists (and by extension, everyone) right now.

      They're just not quite as glamorous as finding E.T.

  10. Re:Would cancer research been a better use? by Maximum+Prophet · · Score: 5, Funny

    The school administrator has already decided that there are no ETs, so it's silly to search for them. Science should only look for stuff we already know about! (:-)

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  11. Re:Commendable... by mcgrew · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I agree, filing charges was way out of line. His only real mistake was not asking permission, and getting that permission in writing.

  12. Re:5,000 machines, US$1M by SecurityGuy · · Score: 4, Informative

    It actually does use more power running the CPU full throttle vs idle. The rule of thumb I learned was a buck a watt per year. By which $200 sounds nuts. School PCs do not have 200W worth of CPU in them.

    But..oh, over 10 years. That's $20/year/system. Very plausible.

    This guy learned the following lesson the hard way: Systems you manage are not yours. They are your employers. The potentially mitigating factor here from TFA, is that he claims he had permission. If so, whoever granted permission should be fired. $1m is real money, especially if you're a school district.

  13. Re:$1 Million... Really? by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 3, Interesting

    it ran as a screen saver

    However it might have ran, it certainly didn't 'save screens.' Back in the day I saw many many CRTs with their phosphors permanently 'burned' by the SETI@Home display:

    http://blog.sherweb.com/wp-content/uploads/seti_home_screen_l.gif

    I used to advise people running SETI@Home to turn off their CRTs.

  14. Re:Commendable... by caffeinemessiah · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They were his machines to configure, as a technology supervisor. It's not like he hacked into the machines in the dark of night to set things up on the sly. Sure, his configuration may have been a failure as far as the business needs of the school system were concerned, but when TFA is claiming "there may be charges filed!!"

    Actually, I think it falls pretty squarely under most States' ethics laws as a violation. If I set up a Bittorent tracker using government computers, then I'm using bandwidth inappropriately, which violates ethics laws. This guy set up a SETI account in his own name, for whatever joy he gets from being at the top of SETI crunch lists, and used government-paid electricity for his own purposes. Over 5,000 computers with say (conservatively) 200W PSUs, that's not an insignificant amount of electricity/dollars. If my tax dollars went into it, I'd be kinda pissed (mainly because I'd prefer donating cycles to Folding@Home, but that's another story).

    A little silly? Perhaps, but judging the degree of his "ethics violation" and the subsequent consequences is the job of a judge or jury. The fact that an "ethics violation" that breaks an ethics law has been committed isn't really debatable.

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  15. He was fired for stealing and porn by bigbigbison · · Score: 4, Informative
    A better article starts:

    A longtime Higley Unified School District information technology director has lost his job and is under police investigation for taking computers home, downloading pornography and installing computer software throughout the district that searches for extraterrestrial intelligence.

    http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/147847

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  16. Re:$1 Million... Really? by Hatta · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yeah, pinning equipment failures on SETI is a stretch. But $1000000 for power consumption is not so far off the mark. SETI estimates $5/month/computer. If he's been doing it for 9 years, 12 months a year, at that rate it would require 1851 computers to reach $1M. IIRC, this guy was in charge of about 5000 computers. It adds up.

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  17. Re:Commendable... by commodore64_love · · Score: 5, Insightful

    On the other hand, his contract never said he wasn't able to run these types of background calculation programs. Even superintendent Denise Birdwell admitted, "We support educational research and certainly would have supported cancer research." So the issue is not the installation of the program, which would have been okay if the technician had installed Cancer@Home instead.

    Furthermore Birdwell said the massive software cost the district more than $1 million in added utility fees and computer replacement parts. How did he arrive at this 1 million dollar figure? Can he produce actual calculations derived from collected data, or did he just pull the number from his nether region?

    I would not resign.

    I'd tell them, "Sorry I'll uninstall everything," and if they chose to fire me then I'd drag Mr. Birdwell into court to provide proof before a judge that I actually cost the school 1 million in damages. If they can't then it would be unjustified dismissal, and in violation of multiple employee-protection laws that exist when you work for a state government.

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  18. Re:But how is it a crime? by pythagory · · Score: 5, Insightful

    According to the documents, district officials said they found Niesluchowski had abused his authority in purchasing and oversight of district technology and equipment, downloaded pornography, and added to every district computer a University of California-Berkeley program that searches high-frequency radio signals for signs of intelligent life in outer space.

    Much better article. Apparently the firing/resignation wasn't really about SETI, that was just icing on the cake. Of course, leave it to the media to run away with the "crazy guy looking for aliens" angle.

  19. Re:Commendable... by Tynin · · Score: 5, Funny

    I almost lost my job when I was working in a NOC at a previous company. I was in charge of maintaining the monitoring and the machines that ran them. Really, these were workstations that were connected to a handful of monitors, all with webpages up that would refresh once a minute, they were not the servers that were running our actual monitoring software (firehunter, whatsup, big brother, etc) so since they were just running a few browsers they were never under any load. So I tossed SETI@Home on all these workstations, that no one uses, that just display browser windows, and it was all fine for several months.

    One day I came to work, and my boss was breathless (I wished physically, not just literally), he couldn't figure out why all these boxes were all running at 100% CPU. After several hours (he was SOOO slow) he figured out it was SETI. He tried in vain to prove it was me, I wasn't going to admit it, I knew that between him and HR they would hang me, over at best the theft of some company power (which is stupid because every linux admin had super shiny screensavers that their computers couldn't quite handle, and they had to be running at 100% util for 16+ hours each day once they went home). It's been a while since I've ran SETI, but what I recall is he could have figured out it was me if he knew to check the ID it was uploading the results under, then went to SETI's site and check the ID, which would have at least pointed him to the name Tynin, which since my personal email address uses tynin in it, it should have been the nail in my coffin. Luckly, he was incompetent, and missed that detail, and I sail past what would have been one of the more silly disasters of my life.

    If you are reading this Ed, please know your staff will celebrate the day you die, pizza and beer in the hallways!

  20. Re:Commendable... by caffeinemessiah · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And they wonder why the school systems of the nation can't hire anyone competent.

    I'd like to add that a competent sysadmin would do his best to keep costs to a bare minimum, and that includes things like buying the lowest-power CPUs that can get the job done, sticking to the job's specifications for software, cycling computers into powersave when idle, and -- in a school environment -- switching the damn things off at night, when very few people have legitimate reasons to use them.

    Treating your work computers as your personal playground to install random stuff on to amuse yourself is completely unprofessional. Why do you think he didn't ask for permission? Because for whatever the reasons might be, he would probably have been unlikely to procure it.

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  21. Re:He also had equipment from the school at his ho by TomXP411 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The other article linked here really should be in the story: Higley firing tied to alien-search software. This one makes it pretty clear that the guy was fired because he's a bad employee and a lousy manager, not because he wants to find aliens.

    Quite frankly, it's a little annoying that the OP's story only mentions "ET". That's irresponsible reporting, and it's why newspapers are folding all over the country; when your reporters can't even write a proper, coherent, unbiased story, people go elsewhere for their news.

  22. Re:Commendable... by FooAtWFU · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The difference between SETI and your private bittorrent tracker is that SETI is fairly easily related to topics in science and education.

    Really, I think the people of Arizona would be better off if the school district officials were less interested in making a big showy news article about UFOs and filing criminal charges and dragging the legal system into things (and spending money on lawyers and courts and such) and more interested in just running the system effectively (let the guy go, quietly, and leave it at that). The world is a better place for everyone when we leave the legal system as a last resort. Of course, since these are officials in government service, let's ignore sense and guess which move will do more to further their career - the showy one, or the one that makes sense?

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  23. Re:Commendable... by Achromatic1978 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You'd be entirely wrong. Just how much CPU do you think those require, versus SETI running at 100% utilization...

  24. distributed.net key cracker - was Re:Oops by speculatrix · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I used to set up dnetc on many machines, it caused the machines to run flat-out all the time, using more electricity as well as more cooling. Whilst it did only use up otherwise unused CPU cycles, it definitely had an impact on performance for higher priority processes. Modern CPUs run very fast and depend on their caches to maintain performance, and any context switching and loading other apps, even small ones, eats up memory bandwidth as well as CPU cycles. I think this goes relatively unnoticed as most people naively count CPU cycle ratios between processes.

    At work we have a large number of dual CPU/eight-core (16 with HT) machines with 24, 32 or 36GB running java VMs, and we notice there's a very big hit on performance if we try and run more than a few VMs on a machine, almost certainly due to loss of cache efficiency; this performance loss doesn't particularly show up in simply looking for CPU cycles used by the OS!

  25. Higley superintendent Denise Birdwell... by bobdotorg · · Score: 3, Funny

    Higley superintendent Denise Birdwell does not in fact welcome our new extra terrestrial overlords.

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  26. Re:But weren't they on anyway? by Colonel+Korn · · Score: 4, Informative

    Is it really likely that the computers weren't on anyway? If not, then surely someone would have noticed the fact that the computers were running all night for no reason sometime in the past 10 years...

    Plug your computer into the wall through a power meter and you'll notice the difference between idle and heavy CPU use being easily over the 40 W the GP used.

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  27. baaaaloney by girlintraining · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Birdwell said the massive software slowed down educational programs in every classroom and cost the district more than $1 million in added utility fees and computer replacement parts.

    Well, actually -- they claimed $1.2--1.6 million.

    The software is designed to run at the lowest priority, idle. It takes up 16-50MB of RAM while running. Given that most school labs only run web browsers, office applications, and low-quality educational games, I doubt the systems were running out of memory. Antivirus apps take up a lot more than that, as to most web browsers. So on the charge of "slowing down education programs in every classroom" -- no.

    Regarding computer replacement parts -- not really. Those machines are going to sit there no matter what, and they will fail at the same rates regardless of what software is running on them. OTOH, if they were running 24/7 and that was being done only so SETI@Home could run, then yes -- replacement costs of fans and harddrives would have gone up.

    Regarding utility costs -- they might have a point on this one.

    Bandwidth: Each SETI@Home work unit is about 0.25MB in size, padded to about 0.30MB with overhead they add to it. There aren't any stats I could find readily available online for how much network overhead is added to this, but let's say 0.35MB of bandwidth is used. Unfortunately, there's no way for us to know how much processor power is available -- so I'm going to take an estimated guess and say about 5 hours per work unit. That seems to be in the ballpark from what I've read online. So I'm going to round up to an even 2MB per computer, per day. He installed the software onto about 5,000 computers. That works out then to 9.7GB per day. Or about 294.2GB per month (remember, 4.33- weeks in an average month). That might add up to, I don't know, a few hundred extra a month if they had a leased line and a poor contract. But it's paltry in comparison to the electricity costs.

    How much power does the average computer take? Answer. I'm going to say 80watts is pretty close. Again, just working with averages here and trying to get a ballpark figure. To convert this to a usable cost figure, we need to use these formulas: Watts=Amps*Volts Cost per hour= (Watts/1000)*(cents). Cents being the per kWh cost. This guy did this in Arizona, and conveniently enough, we know what the average kWh cost in that state is: It's 10.4 right now. So, each computer, per day, uses 1.92 kWh of juice, if it runs 24/7. If they were programmed to go to standby during that time and didn't -- we'll say 16 hours of that day, or 1.27kWh, went to SETI@Home beyond what those computers would have spent otherwise. This doesn't take into consideration holidays, weekends, or anything else... Someone else could probably create a much better estimate than this without too much work, but I'm in a hurry and this is slashdot. 5,000 computers use 6,350kWh of extra juice per day doing Seti@Home, when they could have been powered off. That means $660.40 per day was being spent keeping these computers powered up. That comes to just over $20 grand a month in electricity costs.

    So, yeah... over the course of about four years, the costs could hit over a million dollars.

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    1. Re:baaaaloney by Sabriel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I've read claims that the school policy was to keep the machines on 24/7 and the tech department's proposal to automate shutting down the machines overnight (to the tune of saving $90K/year) was rejected. If that's true, the school is standing on one foot (having shot themselves in the other).

  28. Re:$1 Million... Really? by Jezza · · Score: 4, Funny

    PHB: I've got a great idea, why don't we run all our programs as screen savers?

    Dilbert: How will we type? As soon as someone hits a key the application will close and we'll be back at the desktop consuming electricity again.

    PHB: Couldn't we login remotely? We could create a terminal application that ran as a screen saver!

    Dilbert: Again, how will we type?

    PHB: We could type really slowly.

    Wally: I already do, somedays I don't type anything at all!

    PHB: See Dilbert, you need to be more like Wally!

  29. Re:Commendable... by DragonWriter · · Score: 5, Informative

    I agree, filing charges was way out of line. His only real mistake was not asking permission, and getting that permission in writing.

    Well, that, and lying about removing the software when the problems caused by it came to light and he was ordered by previous administrators to remove it.
    ...and downloading pornography using school computers.
    ...and, on top of all that, generally not doing the job he was hired to do.

    At least, that's what he is being accused of, according to this more complete article on the story.

    SETI@Home is not the only issue here.

  30. Re:Commendable... by pla · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Actually, I think it falls pretty squarely under most States' ethics laws as a violation.

    I doubt most organization's ethics rules would cover this - Particularly since he had the authority to determine how he wanted to configure each machine, and in no way profited from his actions. As for the cost of electricity (I think we can safely write the rest of the claims of "accelerated hardware depreciation" off as complete BS, talkin' about school lab computers, not a datacenter here), although he really should have considered that, I wouldn't call it beyond the realm of possibility that he simply didn't. Keep in mind he started doing this before self-throttling CPUs became popular, meaning it made next to no difference in power consumption whether you kept your CPU idle or pegged at 100%.


    If I set up a Bittorent tracker using government computers, then I'm using bandwidth inappropriately, which violates ethics laws.

    Although most organizations actually do have rules specifically relating to network use (as opposed to what screensavers you may run, about which I've never seen anything more than "no porn walpaper/screensavers/themes"), in the absence thereof and depending on the terms of internet connection, I would arguably call that less abusive. If you have a flat fee for a fixed bandwidth, and limited your use to legitimate works (ie, no porn or copyright violations) and made sure it never interfered with legitimate traffic, such use costs the organization literally nothing. But... Beside the point.

    I will further defend this guy for having school-owned hardware at his house - Schools and local governments rarely have proper procedures in place for EOL'ing older computers. I personally had two from a local college that technically would have counted as "stolen property" if it ever came up, but I had obtained them by as close to kosher means as possible (the guy in charge of their computer labs, the father of a friend, had literally hundreds of decommissioned PCs piled floor to ceiling in a storage area and begged anyone who dropped by to take a few). So if he had a dozen brand new quad-core boxes the district didn't even know they bought, okay, problem; If he had a collection of P4s and 32-bit Athlons in various states of disrepair, I'd have a hard time returning a guilty verdict on that jury.

    Personally, the fact that they let him resign makes me wonder about the truth of the issue. Given the facts as stated - Generally abusing the hell out of his authority, outright failing to do his job, and stealing from the school - I find it mind-boggling that they wouldn't have him arrested and fired for cause, never mind the "spend more time with his family" line.

  31. Re:Commendable... by Ed.the.Manager · · Score: 5, Funny

    Luckly, he was incompetent, and missed that detail, and I sail past what would have been one of the more silly disasters of my life. If you are reading this Ed, please know your staff will celebrate the day you die, pizza and beer in the hallways!

    Why you dirty son of a %$#& Ty, you'll pay for this! I knew it was you! No more pizza and beer for anyone or you're all fired!

  32. SETI by Windwraith · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I don't intend to troll but to get a response.
    Seriously, I don't believe in aliens beyond movies, and I don't understand the interest about this program. I'd like to know why would someone install this, can some users tell me about it?
    (But please no conspiracies)

  33. Re:Commendable... by Jezza · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Buying the lowest-power CPUs?! Are you absolutely sure about that? This seems like REALLY bad advice. Needs always rise (ALWAYS) to what "gets the job done" today won't tomorrow. This advice is a crock of ****, always was. You want to be efficient? Buy systems from the middle, not the slowest, and not the fastest. The middle is usually the right choice. The slow ones will have short lives (and replacing machines is expensive - not just in machine costs) the fastest machines cost a fortune (and there is always diminishing returns at the top end).

    Now like all rules, it's there to be broken. If you don't expect the system to have a long life - consider cheaper (typical examples are harsh environments). If replacing the system is really expensive (because downtime is a problem, expensive specialists are required whatever) then consider something more expensive.

    But always buying the cheapest is just bad advice.

  34. Re:But how is it a crime? by sorak · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wow, just freaking wow...

    I am wondering how long before I see the headline "Man arrested for using linux", just to read on and find out that he beat his wife to death using a Ubuntu Laptop.

  35. Re:Commendable... by DragonWriter · · Score: 4, Informative

    I love that it took 5 different technology companies to figure out why the PCs were running slow.

    The article says the district hired "five experts" and reports on "one company" that did a district-wide technology audit.

    It doesn't say "five companies". It also doesn't identify the problem the five experts were hired to address as being "why the PCs were running slow?" I suspect from the description of the problems (though its not clear which were uncovered when, and which motivated the action) that a variety of intermittent problems with systems and higher than anticipated maintenance and replacement costs, which their in-house tech staff couldn't adequately explain, are what the outside experts were brought in to explain, which goes beyond "why computers are running slow?" to "why are paying so much for tech and still having so many problems?".

  36. Re:Commendable... by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't know if you know this or not, but for more than 10 years now when a computer isn't doing anything, it generally goes to sleep. In sleep mode, even the most ancient, piss-poor power management cuts the power consumption of the PC by a large fraction.

    I don't know if you know this either, but generally applications like SETI@home are designed to monitor your computer usage, and if you aren't doing anything with it cranks up the CPU share to 60-70%.

    I'm not sure if you know this too, but generally a computer that is actively sending data across a network cannot go into sleep mode, nor can a computer that is consuming large amounts of processor time (30%+ definitely).

    If you want proof, try starting a download and then putting your computer to sleep. It will do one of two things: It will either kill the connection and go to sleep, or it will simply not go to sleep. You can't do both, it is not possible, and in either case the computer won't go into sleep mode automatically.

    In other words, Starry Night and My Pictures stop running after 10 minutes, cutting their power usage to nill, while SETI@home continues crunching away, burning up 100-150w (I doubt they used much more than that though) as opposed to 10-20w. Some quick arithmatic shows that the Starry Night PC is using about 240-480wh per day, while the SETI@home is using roughly 2400-3600wh per day. The SETI@home PC would use about an order of magnitude more power per day than your standard screen-saver laden PC. Multiply these rough figures out by 5,000, and the SETI@home is costing the school district 18mwh per day more electricity usage than a standard PC with a standard sleep mode.

    Now that's worst case scenario, it's probably costing more like 10mwh per day more energy consumption, because they are using these computers for school. Since the average cost per-kwh is about 10 cents (it varies a lot by region, it can be as low as 5 and as high as 25), we can estimate that this guy was costing the school district between $1000 and $1800 per day with his SETI nonsense. If he ran it for several years (I did not RTFA, so I don't know how long he ran it) he could have cost the school district several million dollars.

    If that's the case, not only should he lose his job, he should probably face criminal charges for stealing government resources.

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  37. Re:Commendable... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yes, but it was *alien* pornography. I don't think there are any applicable Earth laws..

  38. Re:Commendable... by Matheus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    RTFA It says in the article that "the software was authorized by a previous administration". He did ask (supposedly) and was allowed.

    By running all of the school machines at 100% load the school used more power and network then they would have otherwise and so this situation did "cost" them. The fact that he was given approval will probably shield him from any legal action regardless of the 'change of administration'. Where they got the $1M number I'm guessing is straight out of their posteriors but who knows over 10 years what the real delta probably was.. they are just laying the groundwork for a potential lawsuit, restitution or just a cooler news headline.

    My favorite part of the article is the fact his wife sounds like she thought he was *directly spending all of his time at work searching for aliens. He should probably tell his wife how his fleet of software toys work. Gave me a good chuckle which is always worth the article read.

  39. Re:Commendable... by DragonWriter · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I would not resign. I'd tell them, "Sorry I'll uninstall everything,"

    According to the more complete article on the story, "Former administrators, including former superintendent Joyce Lutrey, knew about the software and told Niesluchowski to remove it" and "[h]e assured them he had removed it". So, I'm guessing, that's why "I'm sorry and I'll remove it now" wouldn't have been an adequate response, even if SETI@Home was the only problem issue, and there wasn't the porn issue, and the issue of the school equipment at his house apparently being used in his home-based business.

  40. Re:$1 Million... Really? by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...after it was revealed he had the software installed on some 5000 school machines.

    IIRC, this guy was in charge of about 5000 computers.

    Your memory is astounding.

  41. Re:Commendable... by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 3, Informative

    That screen saver will also allow the computer to go to sleep mode after a few minutes, slashing the power consumption. SETI@Home cannot allow this, or it would defeat the entire purpose of the program (which is to crunch numbers during idle time).

    When a computer is in sleep mode, it is essentially off. The only power flowing through it is the power that keeps the data in RAM, and the power that allows the BIOS power management to monitor for that little mouse wiggle and bring everything back up. The CPU is off, the hard drive is off, virtually all of the motherboard is off, and the monitor is off.

    To compare that to a program crunching numbers (which is a CPU intensive task) is silly, the number crunching app needs the CPU at almost full throttle, obviously the motherboard powered up, the NIC powered up and actively sending and recieving data. Depending on how well it was written, they may get away with little or no hard drive usage, but that's iffy.

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  42. Re:SETI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I don't intend to troll but to get a response.
    Seriously, I don't believe in God beyond the movies, and I don't understand the interest about religion. I'd like to know why would someone go to church, can some god-people tell me about it?
    (But please no conspiracies)

  43. That's why I run NUKES@HOME by tjstork · · Score: 5, Funny

    The world's population is already too high, and growing beyond the unsustainable level. While it's nice to think we can get rid of something that causes pain and death, pain and death are part of life. If you reduce the death rate, you'll have to reduce the reproduction rate.

    My school district's network of 8000 computers is running NUKES@HOME, helping our government figure out ways to build better nuclear weapons to save the planet for the right kind of humanity.

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  44. Re:Commendable... by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 3, Informative

    The school computer may be "on" all day, but you can bet your ass any half way competant IT manager is going to have those computers sleep after 10 minutes or less of inactivity. In sleep mode, most of the PC is off, with primarily just the BIOS and RAM recieving power. It sips, as opposed to guzzles power like even an idle desktop does. If he had set it up to hibernate during off-school hours, they would have used no power at all for 16 hours a day. That's a massive difference.

    Besides that, even a complex screensaver (like thos nifty aquarium screen savers) uses almost no resources and adds very little to the power consumption of an idle PC, but SETI@home is a number crunching app, and number crunching is extremely CPU intensive.

    Why the hell do you think they need to do this distributed number crunching and data sifting in the first place? It's because they cannot afford the super-computer it would require to get the work done in a reasonable amount of time.

    It's not cheap to run, SETI@home will tell you that your power consumption will definitely go up, but for an individual user it ends up costing $20-30 per year for something they care about. In the case of this guy, he was costing the school district upwards of $300,000+ every year, and if he was doing this for several years the total cost could easily be in the millions of dollars.

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  45. Re:Commendable... by j00r0m4nc3r · · Score: 3, Interesting

    However, in the meager amount of facts presented, it was said that he had gotten permission from a previous supervisor.

  46. Re:Commendable... by tomhudson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From the comments in this article (thanks to this post) from people who are there, it sounds like a real hatchet job.

    Salient points:

    • The computers were configured to run 24/7 by school policy. A previous attempt to get them to run only from 6am to 6pm was met with "you're not allowed to do that" by the school board, even though it was explained that it would save $90k per annum in electricity.
    • The $$$ quoted are to fix the infrastructure problems - including needing a new building - not the "damage" that was done.
    • The photo supposedly showing "bad cable management" is abut what you'd expect - it's not like schools are going to make spending money on cable management and wiring closets a high priority - this is what happens to systems that grow over the period of a decade with management saying "here's some more stuff - make it work" rather than "here's the funds and the plan on how we want this rolled out over the long term". So yes, they now say they're going to need a couple of hundred dollars a computer to "fix" a decades' worth of "just make it work".
    • Other staff have quit or been forced out
    • The timing of all this seems to have been motivated more by school district politics than anything else
  47. Re:Commendable... by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Informative

    Some of those computers date back to 2000 - sleep mode?

    Also, as comments in this article point out, the techs were forbidden from rolling out a script that would have turned the computers off at night, as it was against school policy.

    Read the comments - some are from people who worked there, some from people who live there. It looks more like the guy was fired because someone - Superintendent Denise Birdwell - wanted to polish her image.

  48. Re:Commendable... by tomhudson · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Linky http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/147847

    hopeful4higley wrote:

    Gee, it seems rather odd to me that all of the blame is being placed on one person when Brad was clearly told that he was not in charge earlier this year when David Lignon, (who happens to be partially related to Dr. Birdwell) was put in charge of the entire IT dept and all of Brads team were basically told not to ask questions but do what was told of them. This is just a small example of how things are run around there.

    The problems in the classroom with computers or not being able to enter grades could have alot to do with the fact that they keep changing systems and the person that used to assist the teachers was forced to leave as well this year. How about the fact that most of the IT department walked out earlier this year???? Yep, blame it all on one person, that seems to be easier than just fixing the problems in the district.

    Dr. Birdwell, do you ever take blame for ANYTHING? You are not the only one living a nightmare, the entire staff (past, present) as well as the parents and most important, the students have lived a nightmare for the last 4 years as well. You had an opportunity to jump ship and go to Wyoming last year and ASKED to stay here for stability. THe only ones that seem to have stability are yourself and your posse of friends and family YOU have brought on board. Instead of pointing fingers, take a long hard look in the mirror and ask if YOU have made a positive difference.

    ... and ...

    0xym0r0n wrote:

    higleyknight09: 'A school computer should be used 8 hours a day for 183 days. Not 24 hours a day for 365 day that is six times more than normal. Of course computers would eventually fail.'

    Hate to burst your bubble, but computers will always fail. Not to mention that there is even the argument that turning PC's off causes more damage than letting them run 24/7, mostly when talking about the hard drives. If the district wanted PC's that wouldn't fail they certainly shouldn't have gone with laptops.

    They would also not spend an alleged $15,000 in consulting services to find out what could easily be told to them by their own tech department. Which I would also have to say that, that figure alone seems shady to me.

    Your other assumption is that the shutdown button is removed via the image and that this was done intentionally by Mr. Niesluchowski in order to run SETI 24/7, possible yes... but impossible to prove. There are other things that need to be done, such as staff connecting remotely to fix issues, updates that can be pushed, ect ect. However, the shutdown option being removed is not a result of the image yet a policy set against users.

    It's unfortunate that the majority of posts I read simply follow the assumptions made by such horrid reporting skills and like a mindless drone, babble on and on about how bad this guy is. I mean, it's not like teachers install unapproved software that plagues half the district with unseen malware and viruses... oh but I guess the loses estimated by that would never even be considered by people so eager to jump down the throats of others.

    The analysis of these findings of coarse will never be displayed, being that the true energy driven cost of damages would be a simple calculation of the cost per computer would be total watt usage - usage of standard pc in the same environment. As opposed to the method that probably was used, which was amount of watts used during non-school hours(estimated to the worst degree).

    The biggest thing though, that none of you know is, did he have permission to deploy said software at one point in time? Or that he had permission to have hardware at his place of residence. See, it's so easy to read a column in a newspaper and say 'Wow! That guy needs to be put away.'. So continue to post on this topic, yet.. you have higley in your name an

  49. Re:Commendable... by tyllwin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Christ, I want to upmod you.

    My wiring looks like this. And for the exact same reasons: No, we can't have the downtime to move any wiring around, no we can't take the time to pull those old cables, we don't have time/money to order cables, use the wrong length cause that's what's on hand, it needs to be in production today/it's unfunded, for cable management you can use all the zip ties and velcro that you can scrounge, and multiply it all by ten years. And now they want to use it as evidence that the guy is incompetent or even criminal? Because he hasn't had the backing to incur costs and downtimes for neatness? Because he lacked the pull to make them build buildings and buy new infrastructure?

    And, knowing that he's getting unfairly accused on these counts makes me mistrust the remaining accusations as well.

  50. Re:Commendable... by DragonWriter · · Score: 4, Interesting

    However, in the meager amount of facts presented, it was said that he had gotten permission from a previous supervisor.

    His wife says that in TFA. In the more complete, newspaper-sourced story, the district says that a the problems had come to the previous administrator, who had ordered the software removed, and that the tech supervisor who is now under investigation claimed, at the time, to have removed it as directed. Now, as far as I know there is no public concrete evidence of who is telling the truth here, but its worth noting that the wife could be telling the truth as she knows it and the district could be telling the truth, the only thing required for that to be true is for the tech supervisor to have lied to his wife to make himself look persecuted when the trouble started coming down, and for her to trust him. And how hard is that to believe?

  51. Re:$5/machine? Depends on the machine... by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 4, Insightful

    personally, i'd rather waste my processor cycles and electricity on folding@home, maybe find a cure for cancer. which i think would be far more useful than finding *evidence* of aliens.

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  52. Re:Commendable... by blincoln · · Score: 3, Informative

    I figure removing SETI@home alone will cost at least $50,000

    Oh please. The worst-case scenario is that someone writes a script that calls msiexec to uninstall the software, and either makes it a startup script for all PCs using group policy, or they use psexec to call it on all systems by name. If someone thinks they have to pay $50,000 for that I'll give them a great deal and do it for $10k, but the actual cost should be 1-2 days' wages for one person.

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  53. Re:Commendable... by tomhudson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Perhaps you need to get some reading comprehension skills.

    They are estimating close to $2 million to fix all the problems this guy caused,

    Nope - they estimate that for fixing the problems with the network, etc., that have accumulated over a decade of lack of funds, etc. This includes things like a secure building for the servers. Certainly not his fault.

    The "downloading porn" is an unproven allegation. If we were to fire every admin who's ever downloaded something that a prude would consider "porn" (like accidentally clicking on a goatguy or tubgirl link), there'd be no admins left.

    figure removing SETI@home alone will cost at least $50,000, and if they are contracting the work out (they will probably have to) it will cost more like $100,000-$150,000 because of project overhead and profit markup for the consultant.

    $10 to $30 per computer to click the "uninstall" button? I don't think so, Clyde.

    The very article you linked to says that it was SETI@home that tipped them off, because it almost imediately severely impacted their system.

    Those whiteboards have been reported elsewhere to have deployment problems - it has nothing to do with seti@home, and yu'd have known that if you had a clue. It also certainly didn't "immediately impart their system" if it's been running for almost a decade.

    As for the rest - "taking computer equipment home" is often done with obsolete systems or "parts boxes", the "increased network usage" is 150 tb over 10 years, which sounds like a lot, but is really 41 gigs a day or less than 10 meg per box a day - incidental traffic (think 10-20 slashdot pages - heck, I've done 400 gigs in one month on a single box at home without breaking a sweat) - that wouldn't interfere with normal network usage in a system capable of supporting 5,000 computers. As for the "punching holes in the firewall" - you might want to read this and this - do you have a problem with ports 80 (http) and 443 (https/ssl) being "open"?

    He apparently compromised the security of the entire network just to run this app, if that doesn't scream unethical and incompetant to you, then I don't think anything will.

    Riiight - having ports open so that users can surf the web is a terrible thing - quick - block ports 80 and 443 on your machine! It's a security risk!

    Don't be a tool, mkay?

  54. Re:Commendable... by Sabriel · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There are also 3 months out of the year where there is little to nothing happening, when all of this should be taken care of.

    If it's anything at all like Queensland state schools when I worked there, some PHB would've seen there were no classes and eyed the IT department... yeah. I was expected to work during school hours only. "You're still here? Go home, we can't pay you." The IT motto when I worked at EQ was "doing everything on nothing". Meanwhile, four hundred million dollars on a new stadium for the state's capital city? No problem.

    Removing SETI@home from 5,000 machines will cost in the neighborhood of $50,000-$100,000, though he may have fucked up the computers bad enough that they decide to start with a fresh build, save everyone's data off, and re-build all the computers.

    Seriously? Open text editor, write small shell script, tell group policy to run script on all machines... done. If however the school is running 5,000 machines with no imaging, network booting, group policy or central user storage - which I find bloody unlikely in this day and age - yeah, somebody should definitely be getting fired. Just maybe not the guy in the article.

  55. Re:Commendable... by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is a school district, it practically shuts down after 5-6pm in the evening, and generally any network intensive activity shuts down by 4pm.

    ... and the IT people were forbidden by school policy to push out a modification that would automatically turn the machines off at 6pm.

    There is absolutely no reason to have that rat's nest there, or to not have an accurate inventory of the network,

    Bullshit! You need a budget and you need authorization. Without both of those, you end up with a rats nest. Same as telephone systems from Ma Bell. Same as anywhere else.

    but rolls of Cat5e are cheap

    ... but proper cable management isn't. AND it's hard to explain to bosses why it's needed. "Can't you just plug it in?"

    He also apparently made firewall exceptions for SETI@Home on 5,000+ machines across the district

    OMG BLOCK PORT 80 (http) AND PORT 443 (https/ssl) NOW!

    It wasn't until SETI@home began interfering with the teacher's ability to teach that anybody actually investigated this guy

    It wasn't until right before the school board elections that the board member pushed this. The hardware problems with the white boards have been covered elsewhere on slashdot - they're not unique to this school. Teachers complained about being given the hardware and no training beyond "Here's the install cd. Good luck."

    He's being fired and brought up on criminal ethics charges because his unethical and incompetant (sic) behavior is going to cost the school district upwards of $2 million to fix.

    The $2 million is for updating hardware and a new secure building - infrastructure improvements - NOT to "fix his unethical and incompetant (sic) behavior"

    Removing SETI@home from 5,000 machines will cost in the neighborhood of $50,000-$100,000,

    ... because it costs between $10 and $20 per computer to click "uninstall" ... (or to push out an update that removes it from all the computers) ... good thing you're still in your mom's basement instead of working in the biz.

    The rest of it is cabling, inventory, and infrastructure costs which this guy should have been making sure got done on an incrimental (sic) basis, mitigating the costs.

    No, it's stuff that his BOSS should have been doing - the same board member who is now making him the fall guy.

    Go work in any place that actually has budget constraints and their main job isn't IT, and you'll see the same rats nests of cables, etc. Go work in ANY job with more than half-a-dozen people, and you'll see the same office politics.

  56. Re:Commendable... by Sabriel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You should probably re-read the article too. Some of the money apparently includes a new building. Unless the tech supervisor was moonlightning as a demolitions expert, I doubt he's responsible for that. And some of the comments in the article by the locals are very... interesting... as well.

  57. I know why by The+Rizz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'll bet that you were running it on some of the older P4 machines with HyperThreading. If you have HT turned on, idle processing will NEVER work right under Windows, and it will cause the types of slowdowns you saw. (I experienced the exact same thing with Folding@home when I installed it on a P4 w/ HT.)

    Here's why: Hyperthreading uses a single core, but presents itself to the OS as multiple processors. If you run power-hungry software that uses 100% of the CPU time, it actually shows up to Windows as using 50% time on two processors. Add in something that runs in idle mode (like the @home programs), and they see 50% unused processor time - so they go ahead and fill up that other 50% - which puts the processor's ACTUAL usage to 200% - causing everything to run at half speed.

    Yes, this is an over-simplified and not-exactly-right explanation, but it's close enough to the observed reality to suffice.

    In any case, turn off hyperthreading and run it again, and you'll have no, or very little, slowdown.

  58. Re:$5/machine? Depends on the machine... by biryokumaru · · Score: 4, Funny

    What if the aliens have a cure? Duh.

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  59. Re:Commendable... by torkus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Really...$100k to remove seti from 5000 machines? ...because I *REALLY* want that job. It's an hour of scripting and a few days (at most) to test. Push it out over a weekend, run an inventory...follow up on the few failures.

    To say Seti "fucked up the computers" is pure BS. It may have caused problems with their operation but it's a simple, essentially self-contained, program. Remove it and you're back to where you started...no re-image needed.

    As for the rest of the cabling "problems" I suggest you walk a mile in a tech's shoes. Who's to say the guy's supposed to work during the 3 months that school is closed too? Get off your high horse.

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  60. Re:Commendable... by tomhudson · · Score: 3, Interesting

    No, but I think that the school district refusing for the last 3 years to allow their employees to institute a policy of turning most machines off automatically between 6pm and 6am is a big part of the problem. If they had allowed this, your question would have been mooted.

    This is not about energy consumption - this is about a school board member who wanted to polish her image at election time.

  61. Flamebait by TRRosen · · Score: 3, Funny

    Has to be said

    When will they start firing administrators for installing Windows!?