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iPhone Has 46% of Japanese Smartphone Market
MBCook writes "Despite claims earlier in the year that the iPhone was hated by Japanese consumers (later disproved), the iPhone has been doing well in the land of the rising sun and the evidence is in. Apple has taken 46% of the Japanese smartphone market, cutting in half the once 27% market share of the previous lead, Advance Sharp W-Zero3 (Japanese site). The article includes a large chart of the market share of Japanese smartphones over the last 3 years."
You gotta wonder what those numbers actually mean. Are we just talking about being a big fish in a miniscule pond? My own personal observations don't correspond to the idea that a "Apple has a 46% share". They certainly don't seem terribly visible for "such a large share".
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
Maybe it's the 'youge' western games rather than the console itself.
It's my understanding that the average Japanese person is more likely to have a phone than a computer, and that the phone can do pretty much everything a computer can (albeit with a much smaller screen), including playing MMOs, watching TV, etc. While I can see why people might like the bigger screen, does the iPhone have the apps/functionality that the Japanese user wants?
It's probably because Sony, being Based in Tokyo, knows a heck of a lot more about Japanese Culture then Microsoft, an American Company who caters to Americans. Given that every game a Japanese Teenager would want to play (Meaning Anime style Haircuits and/or cool swords and guns) came out exclusively for the PS3.
The point is, a game console is dependant on games. Games are dependant on developers. Developers are influenced by culture.
Phones, however, are not so much. If it can talk, text, and email, its good to go. The iPhone is flashy, and possibly "better" than the other smartphones they've got selling over there.
Foreign has nothing to do with it.
Am I the only one suspicious that they're using a rigged definition of "smartphone"? That is an awfully small list of phones for Japan. What is their criteria? How the hell could a Windows Mobile device even be number two? Beating that is like winning the Special Olympics.
Man, remember when people were pretending the iPhone was a smartphone before it had third party software, just to get it out of the feature phone category? Those were the days.
Apple is a strange beast. It's always seemed to aim at building a quality desktop for a restricted market which can afford it. It once lampooned Dell for being a company which makes profit on volume rather than quality. Even the click-wheel iPod remained steadfastly associated with its superior UI and superior price tag, and though it reached a mass market on "cool", it remained a winner on trademark usability and profit margin.
Then comes the iPhone, and with the iPhone comes a slurry of a very Microsoft form of press release, always discussing proportion of some market captured, number of apps downloaded, etc. The trait has trickled into their computer division, as they boast about "highest revenue in retail stores in the US in quarter X", or similar misleadingly over- or under-specified statistics. It's not that you can't make a huge profit, especially short-term, on running a business in this way. It's just not the Apple I knew from the '80s and early '90s.
The current favourite for Apple is "% of smartphone market" - this one is an easy winner, because private consumers tend not to need/care much for the full detail of smartphone features, but they do buy what's cool. And there's never been a cool smartphone before the iPhone. What is more, the market of private consumers always exceeds the market of business users, so figures illustrating the iPhone's usage where it might actually be useful are drowned out by Joe Public wanting what's shiny. Finally, private conumsers without the desire for bling or the means to obtain it just go for non-smartphones.
To summarise, iPhones would be expected to win the "consumer smartphone" quantity battle because they are the only well-established consumer smartphone. As a result, they automatically win the "smartphone" quantity battle. But this doesn't necessarily mean they are the favoured smartphone in any particular group of existing users making an informed choice. There's a good reason why there was no "switch" advert for iPhone as there was for Mac.
Now the definition has apparently widened to include so much junk, that the iPhone seem nearly divine by comparision.
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Given that every game a Japanese Teenager would want to play (Meaning Anime style Haircuits and/or cool swords and guns) came out exclusively for the PS3.
Actually, though, lots of J-RPGs are out for the 360 first. For example, Tales of Vesperia, Star Ocean: The Last Hope and other RPGs were released on the 360 then given an enhanced remake for the PS3.
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Maybe people don't care as much about the extra features as much as (you|they) thought they did.
I'm actually confused, I thought from reading around on slashdot that Japanese phones were 10+ years ahead of American ones? How did we catch up so quickly? Who invented the Time Machine?
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I was in Tokyo this past September, and I do remember spotting the iPhone there. However, it seems that many more people had flip phones. The typical flip phone style I saw was larger than those found here in America, to accommodate a bigger screen, and flatter then you'd see here. Many could do things such as watch TV, as my friend demonstrated on his phone.
I don't ever remember seeing a TV commercial for the iPhone, or any subway/train ads for the iPhone. I do remember seeing subway ads for other phones. And for Google, heh.
Oh I know, there are plenty of J-RPG's all around. But those exclusive titles to the PS3 seem to be a little more inclined towards Japanese Culture, I'm just saying.
With Final Fantasy making its way to the 360, it'll be interesting to see if the 360 will catch up in those markets.
I've always understood the "Japanese being ahead in cellphones" to be as much about the network and what you can do on it as much as phones with the latest and greatest hardware.
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The article should read: The few people that are buying smart phones are buying iPhones.
Apple has a huge share of the TINY smart phone market. They key to this article is omitting the Smart phone market share.
Average Japanese phones are smart enough that smart phones are very unpopular in Japan. People who need to do more than surf and email carry laptops, and more recently "netbooks."
Also most people prefer the keypad over a keyboard for entering Japanese into their phones. This is just how Japanese is. So all those keypad phones are also unpopular.
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hmmm, I don't really see how iphone sales in Japan falls into either of those categories?
maybe it should be:
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Maybe read the article? The 3G has 24.6% of the market. The 3GS has 21.5% of the market. That adds up to roughly 46%. The most popular phone in 2008 was the Sharp WillCOM W-Zero 3 Advance, and it held a 26.8% absolute market share. That is now 14.6%, meaning that the other smart phones share roughly 40% of the market.
Of course the article doesn't clearly define what 'market' that is.
as traditionally touch phones have suffered in asian countries where things like the stylus still reign supreme for complex alphabets. Apple must be really dedicated to the market, or must see some serious competition against their stateside market.
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Hardly anyone in Japan actually uses a "smartphone". The regular flip phones are so full featured that there is not much need to. You can even download full TV series to your basic phone to watch while you ride the train. Between that, and email, and a few basic online apps, most consumers seem happy with their "bog standard" phones. The fact that a WinMo phone is in second place should be evidence enough that the smartphone market there is pretty much non-existant. Not once would you ever see someone on a WinMo phone.
Furthermore, phone fashion is a huge thing. While the iPhone is pretty nice by our standards, it's got nothing on some of the glitzy and sleek phones available there. Fashion also changes quickly, while the appearance of the iPhone has remained largely the same.
What exactly is the definition of a "smartphone"? Is it being able to install third party applications? In that case my previous phone from Sony Ericsson (released almost 4 years ago) and most phones sold are smart phones. Is it a touch interface? In that case there are several smartphones that run neither of the Operating Systems that a smart phone must have according to the article.
Before you can come up with a good impartial definition of the word "smartphone" you cannot know how large the market share of a specific smartphone is, or even if it qualifies as a smartphone.
It's mostly because Xbox hardware is a piece of crap that dies easily. And the Japanese don't take that kind of shit lightly, especially when a company tries to hide he magnitude of the problem.
It doesn't help any that in Japanese culture, the "X" symbol indicates failure, and there is also a kanji with an "X" in a box (unicode 51F6) that means "bad luck" and "disaster".
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Isn't the next Final Fantasy PS3-only in Japan though?
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Who invented the Time Machine?
I see what you did there.
How can I believe you when you tell me what I don't want to hear?
...confirming it.
This is based on my previous experiences with the Apple RDB (reality distortion bubble), and how I have seen it make people want something so much, that they would even make it up.
I’m not making a statement about its truth. Just that because of that, Apple news get a harder time. Microsoft for example would get an even harder time. Like with everything where you got burned too often, before.
On top of that, I have problems believing, that an in all points inferior phone (Compared to the crazy stuff they got in Japan. Not what’s available in the US.) would dominate Japan... of all markets??
Anyone from Japan here, with a real world experience, of how many of the people he sees and knows got an iPhone?
It it rather close to half? Or rather rare? (Or where in-between?)
Any sufficiently advanced intelligence is indistinguishable from stupidity.
This is your on-scene reporter who just got back from Japan this month and this last August: There really are a LOT of iPhones here.
And why is this news?
We didn't. The average Japanese cell phone is still vastly higher-tech than the average US cell phone.
In terms of feature set, the iPhone isn't particularly remarkable compared to run-of-the-mill Japanese handsets. The reason it's become so popular is the same reason it's done so everywhere else: the quality of the UI and the gestalt user experience absolutely blow everything else away.
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In certain senses they are, in certain senses they aren't. I'd argue that it really goes back to mean by "cellphone" and "being ahead in cellphones".
Traditionally, both because of technical necessity(tiny batteries, weak processors) and the telcom tradition(dumb edges, smart network) cellphones have existed on a sort of continuum between "dumb" phones(more or less basic handsets, with address book, spartan calendar, maybe an alarm function) and "feature" phones(still more or less inflexible, you get what the manufacturer and the carrier give you; but they give you all kinds of bells and whistles. MMS/Camera with actual lense/QR Codes/WAP browser/ carrier audio/video store/embedded payment widgetry/etc/etc/etc/).
On that historic continuum, Japanese phones are overwhelmingly further toward the "feature" end than American phones are. American tech writers compare the spec lists of American and Japanese phones, and note that the latter are far longer, ergo they must be more futuristic.
Something like the iPhone(or WebOS devices, or Android), by contrast, doesn't really fall onto the dumbphone/featurephone continuum in any terribly useful way. Rather, these devices philosophically derive from the model of an internet-connected computer, that happens to have a more-or-less endurable set of phone features included.
Those commentators judging the new smartphone devices according to where they fell on the dumbphone/featurephone spectrum were inclined(correctly) to say that the iPhone and its ilk were inferior to existing devices. Particularly earlier variants(No MMS? No push email? shit camera? all worse than existing featurephone offerings). What they missed, though, is that the smartphone is a fundamentally superior model, by virtue of being overwhelmingly more flexible and powerful than the fixed function phones, even if they happened to have a fairly large number of fixed functions.
The fact that Apple generally knows their shit RE: UI design matters as well. Arguably, Microsoft was actually among the first to give the notion of the "smartphone" in the contemporary sense, a serious try. Cellular modem; but with a fairly powerful embedded platform, running an OS with explicit support for third party applications and the notion that they would be talking to the internet(even if MS would prefer that most of that talking just involve an activesync connection back to your corporate exchange server). All great in principle, it's just that windows mobile fucking sucked. Blackberries(which were entirely then, and still to a degree, are much closer to being "featurephones with really good email" than "smartphones") were a much better choice.
The iPhone was in the interesting position of being (arguably) the first "smartphone" well executed enough(and running on powerful enough hardware) to outcompete the far less flexible, but far more mature, "featurephone" segment for a large number of people.
Oh what a convenient lack of the number 2 and movement of the decimal point...
Here’s the translated report:
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.impressrd.jp%2Fnews%2F091210%2Fsmartphone2010&sl=ja&tl=en
Try to find anything else than the 24.6% in there!
LOL, and I thought I did go a bit too far in my previous comment, where I stated that the Apple reality distortion bubble would make people want it so much, that they would make things up.
Any sufficiently advanced intelligence is indistinguishable from stupidity.
they aren't advanced, they have more crazy features we don't care about here like reading your body sweat or buying a soda using a cell phone. the UI's have sucked for years since the companies have always been on thin margins. the reason why none of this stuff comes out in the US is because kids in Japan live with parents for a lot longer and have more money to spend. in the US kids like to move out and they have less disposable income since they have bills to pay. other features like buying from vending machines are useless since everyone takes credit cards or you buy a 24 pack at the grocery store and take it to work with you.
Engadget Mobile provides a better perspective:
iPhone nabs 46 pecent of Japanese smartphone market, the tiny Japanese smartphone market
So you read a headline like "iPhone grabs 46 percent of the Japanese smartphone market" and the first thing you're likely to think is, "wow, Apple is really doing well for itself." Well, it is and it isn't. While it has made some considerable gains in the smartphone market at the expense of phones like Sharp's W-ZERO3 and the Willcom 03, it still hasn't gained nearly the same total mindshare or market share that it has over here. That's because "smartphones" as we know them are still a relatively small market in Japan, where carriers' lineups consist of a whole range of offerings including everything from mobile TV-equipped phones to true camera phones to perfume holders.
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Has there been any WHARGARBLE over Apple having a monopoly in the Japanese SmartPhone market?
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as traditionally touch phones have suffered in asian countries where things like the stylus still reign supreme for complex alphabets.
Actually if you think about it, physical keyboards are a really bad idea for Asian countries - the input mechanism for Kanji and the like is actually really impressive on the iPhone, take a look:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzTYImxDzU8
The characters on the side are completions for the character you are drawing, plus there is completion of full phrases.
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As with the AdMob survey numbers based on web browsing hits this survey is suspicious.
Looking through my web server logs the only smartphone browser hits I get are from iPhone clients...
But considering the iPhone has only 15% or so actual market share I found it curious that they seem to hold such a large share of web browsing as evidenced on my own server, so I looked closer at where these clients originated using a whois of the IP addresses of some clients, 72.44.57.255, 174.129.64.115, 174.129.143.218, 67.202.4.57, etc...
Uh, WTF! Every single iPhone hit is from the Amazon cloud computing cluster.
Amazon runs their EC2 cloud computing cluster off iPhones? Something really fishy is going on here.
Yes. The 360 port is for the US and European markets only.
I don't know why though. Since they're making a 360 version of the game itself it seems like a decent development model would keep the text portions separated into a resource file that they could swap regardless of platform.
In general though with the 360's installed base in the US a developer is just foolish to ignore it, hence the FF13 360 port.
And truthfully, the more recent hardware revisions of the 360 have solved most of the big problems the console had. The failure rates at this point are being skewed by the earlier units. My only complain regarding the 360 is it's lack of a high capacity optical drive. Doesn't matter if it had been HD-DVD or Blu-ray - I don't particularly care, but something bigger than DVD would be nice.
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The PS3 is not immune to this. A friend of mine bought a PS3 on release day. It died some time ago and after looking around a bit it seems the heat is too high in the PS3 and thusly has problems with its solder connections, quite similar to the Xbox. The catch? Microsoft fixes it under warranty, where Sony told him to pay $150 to fix it. His PS3 has been collecting dust since then. The PS3 failure rates are also in double digits (>10%) but not as high as the xbox.
I spent 2 weeks in Japan (most of the time in Tokyo, Yokohama and Kyoto) and not once did I see a smart phone. Most people there use advanced flip phones. So smart phones have what, 5% of market share total and iPhone is 2.5% total? And that seems like a very generous guess based on my experience.
And I spent lots of time on the subway and various local trains and buses.
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..in anime, manga and other media.
If a phone shows up, chances are it's an iPhone, and often labelled as such. Given that anime is otherwise often home to such labels as Carbucks and McGonads (it's in english, therefore it's cool, never mind what it means), them being labelled correctly pretty much means Apple is paying for it.
So. Advertisement, and lots of it. Anyone closer to the country able to verify this?
Apple just did.
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Can someone please define 'smartphone. Until then, such statistics mean little. The only meaningful ones are shares of the entire phone market. Which for Q4 2009 is about 2.5% globally. Probably higher in the US, but I couldn't find US-only (or North America) figures.
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I took a minute to knock up a more informative sales chart, a stacked graph by year.
I was in a rush so I skipped out the smaller sellers and a label for the Y axis.
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Sorry, but that Time Machine only goes backwards in "time."
I didn't do what you think I just did.
The "smartphone" market is an extremely small part of the Japanese phone market because of all those advances. The smart phone market is separate from the camera-phone market (with good cameras), the tv-phone market, the perfume holder market, etc. The market is very segmented, unlike in America. I don't remember the link, but someone on Engadget this morning had a chart of the actual total cell phone marketshare. Apple got lumped in with all the other nobodies in the 22.2% share of "Other".
Blah, here's the engadget link, the chart is embedded. http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/18/iphone-nabs-46-pecent-of-japanese-smartphone-market-the-tiny-ja/
Just be glad that I've (mostly) broken the habit of nesting them. It's hard, when there are so many parenthetical remarks in the world that could be further elucidated by parenthetical remark...
It is back when engadget suddenly declared '99% of smartphone traffic on our mobile-specific website is from iphone' - the reason was that blackberry was identifying itself as full browser while engadget only targetted mobile specific browser and did the calculation.
Did you pull that out of your ass? Are you telling me that the default blackberry browser impersonated another browser? They would have the user agent string for blackberry devices in their logs.
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No I did not. The iphone queries (along with few others - can't remember) were redirected to the 'mobile-phone optimized' site, while BB queries were served from the main site. The statistics were posted for 'mobile-phone optimized' site.
I wish I could find the post again - but engadget has only 13742 post on iphone.
Depends on what you call a "smart phone."
Japanese phones have been way ahead of American phones in terms of advanced features for years. They regularly make purchases right from their phone using "smart wallet" functions, something even the iPhone lacks.
So I take this news with a HUGE grain of salt.
I'm not doubting that the iPhone is popular in Japan, but when you consider that almost all phones in Japan could reasonably be called "Smart Phones" then I don't think that the iPhone represents 40% of that market.
Here you go.
http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/20/i-engadget-com-engadget-for-your-iphone-or-ipod-touch/
And here is their blatant claim about 95.8% of ALL mobile views -
"So far in 2008, the iPhone, iPhone 3G, and iPod touch account for some 95.8% of all mobile views on the full site."
It's somewhat surprising because there are a couple simple features apple doesn't seem to want to implement. The biggest one is IC. You would think by now there would be a Suica or PASMO option by now.
Oh also, you know how in America we tell people its good to buy American products? Well in other countries they don't tell each other to buy American products like we do! In Japan they would be more likely to buy a Japanese product over American.
Balderdash!
The reason for that is very likely Apple's practice of manufacturing a single hardware spec for all markets. Since Japan is nearly the only place where touch card tech is regularly integrated into phones, Apple hasn't considered it worth the cost of building it into the same phone they ship everywhere else.
Once they can get the cost down far enough to be negligible, though, they'll build it in. Who knows, it could even drive adoption outside Japan!
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Who invented the Time Machine?
Well, Apple did, of course!
Oh come on, how is that flamebait? He practically hosed the OP's flamebait down with an aqueous aspirated film-forming form.
I think it has much to do with the fact that iphone cell plans in Japan are reasonably priced. http://plusd.itmedia.co.jp/mobile/articles/0912/01/news076.html (Japanese) Zero up front expense. The price of the iphone is amortized over the 24 month contract, then it is yours outright. Unlimited packets for 4410 yen (around $50 / month)
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The smartphone market here is absolutely miniscule. I'm not sure what anyone would gain from getting a smartphone in Japan since the normal Japanese cell phone already has more features than the standard American smartphone, excepting support for corporate policies and the like. The Japanese language works very well on a numeric keypad; there's absolutely no reason to use a keyboard, which is one of the draws of a smartphone. Japanese phones all have dedicated application stores/game sites as well, so that's not a factor either. Streaming video, youtube support, nicodouga support... all there.
What the iPhone does offer (in addition to a nice UI and experience) is a fashion factor, I think. It looks neat, the case is cool, it's relatively unique, and it's "branded." In some small way, it's like LV or any other brand; there are people who want it for the brand.
This is just anecdotal, but I personally know three Japanese people who have iPhones. They all got them because it looked neat and was essentially free. Of those three, one of them loves it, one of them has gone back to her original phone because the iPhone is much harder to write e-mail on, and the last, an American, uses it grudgingly because he can't go back (switched companies for the iPhone). Why does he dislike it? It's missing a lot of basic things that you can expect on a good cell phone: good dictionary support, kanji lookup, kaomoji/emoji support, and a useful texting interface.
There's no way I'd trade my phone for the iPhone, personally. The odd thing is, my phone (au's SH003) is apparently an attempt to steal some of the iPhone's touch thunder -- it's got a normal form factor but the screen is also touch-capable... not that I use it.
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There are plenty of SSH and VNC clients for the iPhone.
Is your definition of a smart phone, a device that runs servers? Servers have no place on any phone other than for the "nerd" cool factor. You can run servers on the iPhone without jailbreaking, they just cannot run in the background.
The built in apps do multi-task and customizing a phone is not a measure of what a smart phone is to most people.
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the iPhone, iPhone 3G, and iPod touch account for some 95.8% of all mobile views on the full site
That means that they were measuring the traffic on the full site based on the logs which contain user agent strings. Those strings can be parsed for browser type and platform it is running on. They were not measuring the traffic on a dumbed down mobile site.
This leaves two possiblities.
1. Blackberry users do not surf because they know how crappy their browser is.
2. The browser on Blackberry devices is too crappy to handle the full site and gets redirected to a mobile version.
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Pocket PC is hardly open. You have to use closed source development tools from MSFT that you have to pay for along with running windows. The SDK on window mobile is also anemic and poorly documented. You are getting a very cut down version of windows on the device. You can customize the lockscreen background, make your own bloody ringtones easily and the built in apps do multitask on the iPhone. Third-party apps are required to close down and save their state to preserve performance and battery life. You have a very narrow view of what a smart phone is.
Get back to us when you stop using made up words like "brew" phones.
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I'd say the Palm/Handspring Treo 650 was the first such really usable smartphone... but as you mention, it probably failed due to poor hardware, inflexible OS, and poor execution on the part of Palm.
I did love my Verizon Treo 650 until I got my iPhone 2G. Even without mobile data, the Treo was really good for managing my contacts/calendars/email and playing games. It was really a data-centric device.
I'd argue that the new paradigm for smartphone as the mobile internet device (MID) is probably what the iPhone was aimed at, and hit with amazing accuracy.
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Nobless Oblige. I mean can your iPhone order missile strikes?
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eh. So, I have it mixed up the other way round. But did you read what they said in that context? Most of the other devices were routed to another site and they claimed 95.8% of mobile traffic was from iphone. Gimme a fucking break if you can't see my point.
iPhone may have 46% of the SMARTphone market in Japan but smartphones are not popular in Japan at all.
There's been no need for them. Non-smartphones do all the most useful things that users want and more in Japan. A typical Japanese NON-smart phone
*) Has a 5-12 megapixel camera
*) Browses the web just fine
*) Has 3D GPS based navigation
*) Receives digital TV signals with no carrier charge
*) Records those digital TV signals for later playback (pocket tivo)
*) Has it's own digital answering machine built in, no need for the phone company to record messages unless you have no signal and no need to call the phone company to hear your messages as they are already on the phone.
*) Has MP3/WMA/AAC playback
*) Plays games
*) Has RFID digital wireless payment system for paying for trains, subways, buses, vending machines, and most convenience stores.
*) Can download apps.
*) Has 2 displays, one inside the phone, one out.
*) Supports 500+ icon characters for email. (smiles, frowns, cakes, fireworks)
etc, etc, etc,
You only need to go on any train or subway car in Tokyo and look around and you'll notice it will take you 5 to 10 cars worth of people to see a single iPhone
Compare to say NYC or SF where you can go in any starbucks and it seems like every other person has an iPhone.
No, iPhone is no doing that well in Japan.
Because it's not true. People can't read reports. IN a SURVEY, a number of users, about 3,000, were asked what they thought of the iPhone. About 46% liked it. It's not known if they owned it, or exactly what the question was. Brush up on your Japanese and explain it to us.
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Except it's not "so popular" everywhere else - market share is a few percent.
The flaw in this article is that it's restricted it to the arbitrary ill-defined of "smartphone" which is assumed to include the Iphone, but not the vast range of "feature" phones that can still do Internet, run apps, and so on. If you took a stricter definition of phones - e.g., one that could run any 3rd party apps (as opposed to only those approved by the company), can multitask with 3rd party apps, has a real keyboard etc, then the Iphone is not a smartphone. If you take a definition broad enough to include it, then you include most feature phones.
So what's the Iphone's real market share in Japan?
Another point - presumably before this, another phone would have had the largest share in this ill-defined category. Note how we didn't get a story about that?
This story is as laughable as that one we had when the Iphone was the best selling phone in one random country for one month (right after the release of a new Iphone model). Note how since then, we've never had any articles for any month, for any country, of what the best selling phone is? Even though clearly you could have a story for every country, every single month, for some reason it's only notable when it's the Iphone. (So the fact that the Iphone has only been best selling for one month, in only one country, is surely quite bad...)
Today I bought myself a Nokia 5800. Great phone and at a decent price - but from reading Slashdot, I'd never even known it exists. News for nerds? Not anymore - I rely on the mainstream press now to find out news about the market leaders in this area.
and "feature" phones(still more or less inflexible, you get what the manufacturer and the carrier give you; but they give you all kinds of bells and whistles.
But all feature phones can run any app you like. They use Java rather than native code - but then I don't see why that's a bad thing, surely a common standard is good (and doesn't Android take the same approach, IIRC?) Meanwhile, look how locked down the Iphone is - you can only run apps that the manufacturer approve. So I don't think this is a good way to draw a distinction between smart and feature phones, especially if you want to claim that the Iphone is a smartphone...
What they missed, though, is that the smartphone is a fundamentally superior model, by virtue of being overwhelmingly more flexible and powerful than the fixed function phones, even if they happened to have a fairly large number of fixed functions.
What you're missing is that those feature phones still adopt this same model of an Internet-connected computer, and in no way are their functions fixed. My now ancient 2005 Motorola V980 that was my old function allowed me to install whatever apps I liked. My new Nokia 5800 is miles better yes - but there's no qualitative difference; it's rather the improvement of 4 years of advancement (and paying a higher price too). Just as a computer of today is is way better than one of 4 years ago, but no one would claim that they fall into different categories.
The big jump was between dumb phones, and feature/smart phones. It's there that you saw the leap from a phone that could only be a phone with maybe WAP, and fixed functions, to what was basically a handheld computer, allowing Internet access, applications, and running an OS. In the old days, we simply had dumb phones and smart phones. But since then, people had introduced this odd idea of "feature" phone, even though the feature phones are smart phones by the old definition. The only real difference is that "smart" phone seems to be reserved for phones that are high end - which isn't a hard definition, it tells us nothing about their features, and their capabilities change over time. The Iphone is only a smartphone by this definition because it's expensive.
And anyhow, even if we look at the devices labelled "smartphones", there were still plenty that also had the features that the Iphone missed. The criticisms were valid.
The iPhone was in the interesting position of being (arguably) the first "smartphone" well executed enough(and running on powerful enough hardware) to outcompete the far less flexible, but far more mature, "featurephone" segment for a large number of people.
What sort of ill-defined criterion is this? Do you have a citation? The Iphone is still a minority phone in the market, so what you say isn't true, it hasn't outcompeted feature phones on sales at all. If you mean to say it's selling better than earlier smartphones - well that's true of all smartphones - as time's gone on, their sales have increased. Nothing special about Apple.
And finally, please give me a definition of smartphone that includes the Iphone, but doesn't include these "feature" phones?
Ha - thanks for that, as I suspected.
So they are only doing well in an arbitrarily defined very small subset of the market, that's been defined to include them, and a small number of other phones, when actually most of the Japanese market are off buying other things to do the same thing.
Why not take it further, Apple fans? Just define the market to be the Iphone, and then you can say how Apple have 100% market share! :)
Wow! If my this reply is redundant, at least have balls to mark all above redundant too. (I know, this will go the same way in 3...2...1...)
Good points regarding the statistics and selective reporting.
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Who invented the Time Machine?
Time Machine
Nope.
It implies that 9 out of 10 times people choose some other product. OMG how dare they.
You could always define "smartphones" to be phones produced by Apple, then they could have 100% of that market.
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Yes.
I believe I overestimated the Slashdot community (for the most part anyway) by assuming they could differentiate between the OP and my rebuttal. I find the "You must be new here" meme to be applicable in this case.
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Sure, both the PS3 and the Xbox360 suck.
But there's two other things:
1) The PS3 is still Japanese made. And just like for so many of us Americans, that itself is a mark of "likely to be of high quality." Given that it's still lower failure rates than the Xbox supports this.
2) Didn't a Sony exec "graduate" (step down and leave) the company for its suckage?