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Extinct Ibex Resurrected By Cloning
The Telegraph is reporting that for the first time an extinct animal has been brought back via cloning. The Pyrenean ibex, a type of mountain goat, was declared officially extinct in 2000, but thanks to preserved skin samples scientists were able to insert that DNA into eggs from domestic goats to clone a female Pyrenean ibex. While the goat didn't survive long due to lung defects this gives scientists hopes that it will be possible to resurrect extinct species from frozen tissue. "Using techniques similar to those used to clone Dolly the sheep, known as nuclear transfer, the researchers were able to transplant DNA from the tissue into eggs taken from domestic goats to create 439 embryos, of which 57 were implanted into surrogate females. Just seven of the embryos resulted in pregnancies and only one of the goats finally gave birth to a female bucardo, which died seven minutes later due to breathing difficulties, perhaps due to flaws in the DNA used to create the clone."
We can just patch the damaged or missing segments with frog DNA...
Jurassic Park!
Nature will find a way.
Did we learn nothing from Jurassic Park?
Help! I'm a slashdot refugee.
"one of the goats finally gave birth to a female burrito"?
'cause I sure did.
science!
...or does that quote sound like something Douglas Adams would write?
Didn't anyone see Jurassic Park? I for one welcome our new T-Rex overlords.
The mitochondrial DNA will not be from the IBX so what you have is still an hybrid.
Maybe better than nothing but not really bringing the species back.
See my blog http://ilovecookes.blogspot.com/ for light hearted technical information.
All I want to know is will we ever be able to clone a dinosaur? A goat giving birth to a different kind of goat is ok I guess but what if there is no close relative to the extinct species you want to clone?
I won't goat you, I herd it's dead Jim.
Ewe!
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Pyrenean Ibex extinct... again.
That a real Intrepid Ibex
What exactly does this story have to do with Spanish stock indices?
So, this Ibex became the first species to become extinct twice?
do I get me pet Mastadon?
"While the goat didn't survive long due to lung defects this gives scientists hopes that it will be possible to resurrect extinct species from frozen tissue."
That was about how my 8.10 experience went too.
Why is this story from 11 months ago being reported by Slashdot as if it just happened? Could the reason be anything other than sloppy content gate keeping?
But I would suggest that next time a species is down to 30 members, get samples from ALL of them. For all they know, this last one may have had some genetic defect, and pulling DNA from her eye probably didn't help her.
I've been waiting for YEARS for the chance to eat extinct animals! T-Rex Burgers, Bald Eagle Sandwiches, Dodo Egg Omelettes, Saber-toothed McNuggets! Yummmm!
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Except, I suppose, for the defective lungs?
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Finally Sarah Palin can ride a T-rex like jesus did.
I am reminded of http://www.nuklearpower.com/2006/03/23/episode-676-supernatural-selection/
"Let them go gracefully. Leave nature alone. Haven't we done enough?"
George Carlin
1 dinosaur, please!
Steal my band's record! Seriously,
$ lsb_release -c
Codename: ibex
Wooly mammoth? Dodo? Passenger pigeon?
-jcr
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second goat!
Using bloodstains from the shroud of Turin, Jesus will be cloned. All herald the second coming. Hallelujah, the missiles are flying!
John Hammond: "All major theme parks have had delays. When they opened Disneyland in 1956, nothing worked!"
Dr. Ian Malcolm: "But, John. If the Pirates of the Caribbean breaks down, the pirates don't eat the tourists."
yo dawg/goat/fish, i herd u liek cloning so i put a goatfishcat in ur manbearpig but i eated it
Do DNA patches come out on Tuesdays????
The Sox need a power hitter. I'd imagine that fans would underwrite the entire expense of the cloning operation.
no, no, no, no, no!
try this :
"This just in, Pyrenean Ibex still extinct." </Chevy Chase>
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
As mentioned before, this is not an exact clone. The only thing this story proves is that they can create a hybrid animal (nothing new there) and that the researches who did this were dishonest about the product (nothing new there) and that the news media is full of a bunch of dolts with little desire or propensity for actual journalism (nothing new there either). The only thing that was created was 7 minutes of suffering.
I for one, welcome our newly extinct Ibex Clone overlords.
Cloning is becoming more and more advanced. Human cloning will probably be achievable within the next 20 years. How long until Republicans back human cloning as a way to avoid estate taxes???
I want to fry up an eagle, just to see...
Fry up an eagle, use the colonel's recipe...
heh, I mis-read it as Piranha Ibex at first. I figured it must be a plot by PETA to let the little buggers fight back.
This issue is a bit more complicated than you think.
The article linked is dated January 31, 2009. At least the article is dated this year...
They became extinct in 2000 because their coding only allowed for 2 digits for the year.
Don't you see? It's a marketing ploy by Apple!
-- I really need to bleed off some of this
I have a goat herd and trust me when I say there doesn't have to be any flaws in the DNA to lose a baby. I've seen them still born, born too frail to stand up and get colostrum from mom, seen them live for a couple days and then die for no apparent reason. There's a reason goats have babies two and sometimes three at a time. The loss rate can be high, even under ideal conditions. The breed difference could account for it. Maybe the original breed had a slightly longer gestation period than modern goats.
Back in the day I used to help a vet implant zebra embryos in horses. The take rate was a bit higher than that experiment, but we had more embryos to work with. 10% was a pretty good rate for implants and there's a lot of data on horses.
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Was it Intrepid?
the goat wars have.
It's like this episode of the simpsons, treehouse of horror XII where Bart casts a frog into a frog/man hybrid and it was a "sin against nature".
I feel like the Ibex that was only alive for 7 minutes probably felt about the same.
Can't we just leave the extinct alone? Some mistakes can't be corrected.
http://en.sevenload.com/videos/qMVhCUs-Simpsons-Harry-Potter-spoof
It may well be slashdot's favourite animal.
please, please, pretty please
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It's pronounced FRAHNkensteen!!!!
Nuclear transfers, no wonder the poor thing died soon after.
Seriously, though, even if they perfect the technique and the beasties survive, and apart from the mitochondrial issue that's been posted already, you'd still have to manage to clone a sufficiently diverse population for it to become self-sustaining again. I doubt there's many extinct species for which we've got several dozen different DNA samples in good condition.
What a depressingly stupid machine.
Jurassic Park should have been a lot shorter?
Extinct Pyrenean Ibex Cloned - February 1, 2009.
First species to become extinct, twice.
Sounds fun, but how's that going to help the ibexes?
Anyone take notice this article was published almost a year ago?
Who's next, Salvador Dali ? No, wait. That would be Andy Warhol first, surely. Then, maybe, 5 to 15 Dali's - set in a country town in Spain. Or, if you're feeling jolly - in Switzerland - WTH.
I nominate the dodo, talk about THE perfect animal for factory farming. To a dodo in every pot.
I wonder what ibex tastes like
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[The nuclear DNA is so high a percentage etc. that a DNA-only transplant might be considered a full reconstruction.]
Also: They can always clone the mitochondrial DNA into something suitable (like goats again) and later harvest eggs with the right mitochondria, insert DNA from members of a wrong-mitochondira reconstruction, and produce new clones with both nuclear and mitochondrial DNA of the species to be recovered.
Fly in the ointment might be if the co-evolving mitochondrial and nuclear DNA had diverged sufficiently between the egg donor and extinct species that the communication between the cell and the mitochondria is hosed and you can't get a viable reconstruction with nuclear DNA only. But this communication is sufficiently simple and conserved that this seems unlikely. You start from a host egg of a closely-related species to avoid a vast number of similar potential screwups between the donor egg's existing machinery (or the host mother's biology ditto) and the implanted DNA's version of the same systems, any of which might make the effort fail. The mitochondria are just one more of the donor's systems (which happens to have its own DNA.)
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
http://google.com/search?q=do+ibexes+fear+fire
http://google.com/search?q=do+ibexes+fear+death
http://google.com/search?q=protecting+my+home+from+ibex+attack
(Ibices?)
Back in the day I used to help a vet implant zebra embryos in horses.
Speaking of equines, I'm hoping this will be tried with Quaggas for the extinct DNA donors.
Zebras are essentially a striped wild donkey that is essentially not domesticable. Quaggas were an apparently a close relative that domesticated just fine and were quite useful. But they were allowed to go extinct in the mid 1800s, when the wild ones were hunted to extinction and contact with other parts of the world led the farmers who used quaggas to switch to other equines (think "fad").
Ought to be reasonably easy to pull this with zebras or donkeys for the egg donors and hosts, reconstructing the lost species (for potential breeding and mule-making programs later). There's already a project to "breed them back" from the plains zebra (which they are really a variant of) and there are 23 known stuffed-and-mounted specimens.
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
Did no one else remember this story from a year ago?
Hm, wtf? http://science.slashdot.org/story/09/02/01/1657215/Extinct-Pyrenean-Ibex-Cloned , did a small search on "Ibex". This is not news, this is oooooold and already posted.
...and you can't have enjoy Jurassic Pork BBQ without a cool, frosty glass of 45 million year-old beer:
http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/689566/Ancient_Yeast_Still_Makes_Beer.html
Goat gestation period are around 150 days.
Ibex is around 165 days.
Even if you take a healthy Ibex mother and remove the fetus after 150 days, it will have similar lung disability. Lungs being the last thing to develop in a fetus, if you chop off the last few days of fetal development, you're sacrificing lung function. They won't work at 100%, and they'll be way more sensitive to any agitation. It seems to me like a better approach would be to find an animal with a equal OR LONGER gestational period. I don't mean for Ibexes in particular; it just makes sense for any mammal. Try a mountain goat: 180 day average gestation period. Just make sure you bust the little guy out two weeks early.
If humans go extinct and you implant human DNA into a bonobo, you're putting something that takes 280 days to cook into an oven with a 230 day timer. No, it won't be fully cooked when the thing dings - the lungs especially. Premature human babies do survive that young, but we've had a long time and lots of money poured into finding ways to make that happen.
Thanks for the link! I found these instructions to build fsv... worked for me on Ubuntu 9.04.
http://sectio-aurea.blogspot.com/2008/12/3d-file-system-viewer-building-fsv-on.html
Very cool! XD
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Heck, here on /., we keep repeating the same dead jokes. And they keep propagating even with ppl screaming for ppl to quit redoing the same item. Not different than in JP.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
"Weird Al" Yankovic did not create every parody ever.
Isnt this sort like kinda how windows was created? Like being a clone then fighting the odds and then being born only to breathe all weird.
Isn't Extinct Ibex the next Ubuntu release?
That is one Intrepid Ibex for sure. Maybe they spliced in some penguin DNA? *wink*
I'm just saying....
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