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Heat Engines Shrunk By Seven Orders of Magnitude

KentuckyFC writes "The vast majority of motors that power our planes, trains, and automobiles are heat engines. They rely on the rapid expansion of gas as it heats up to generate movement. But attempts to shrink them by any significant amount have mostly ended in failure. Today, the smallest heat engines have a volume of some 10^7 cubic micrometers. Now group of Dutch engineers has built a heat engine that is seven orders of magnitude smaller than this. The engine consists of a piezoelectric bar that expands and contracts in the normal piezoelectric way. However it also heats up and cools at the same time causing a thermal expansion and contraction, which lags the piezoelectric displacement. By carefully choosing the frequency of the driving AC current, the Dutch team found a resonant effect in which the thermal expansion and contraction amplifies the mechanical motion, making it a true heat engine. Operating the thermodynamic cycle in reverse turns the device into a heat pump or refrigerator. The total volume of the device is just 0.5 cubic micrometres."

168 comments

  1. what about my car... by Azmodan · · Score: 1, Funny

    Great, let's make this 500 times bigger and power my car!

    1. Re:what about my car... by Parlett316 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah a Beowulf cluster of them

    2. Re:what about my car... by von_rick · · Score: 1

      Don't do it unless you know the efficiency of this heat engine. Something tells me that a micro engine (or an array of those micro engines) wouldn't help you much.

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    3. Re:what about my car... by floppycat · · Score: 0

      The vast majority of motors that power our planes, trains, and automobiles are heat engines...Today, the smallest heat engines have a volume of some 10^7 cubic micrometers.

      If engine of your car is much bigger than that, you should consider replacing your car.

    4. Re:what about my car... by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      0.215 millimeters width, length, and depth?

    5. Re:what about my car... by CorporateSuit · · Score: 1

      If engine of your car is much bigger than that, you should consider replacing your car.

      0.215 millimeters width, length, and depth?

      He obviously works for a car company.

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  2. On Chip cooling? by camperdave · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Operating the thermodynamic cycle in reverse turns the device into a heat pump or refrigerator. The total volume of the device is just 0.5 cubic micrometres.

    Great! When can I get these built into my CPUs?

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    1. Re:On Chip cooling? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's not like a heat pump turns heat into nothing. One side of a heat pump gets cold, the other side gets hot. At half a micron across, it's hard to see how such a device could help evacuate heat from a CPU.

    2. Re:On Chip cooling? by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 1

      If it's anything like pretty much every other really useful technological development that's occured in the last decade? You probably won't, but they'll always say it's N years away from commercial application.

      Also they mention the ability to use it for refridgeration, but not whether it's still moving when they do that. Even on a microscopic scale having these things moving pretty much anywhere could cause problems.

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    3. Re:On Chip cooling? by AaxelB · · Score: 1

      It's not like a heat pump turns heat into nothing. One side of a heat pump gets cold, the other side gets hot. At half a micron across, it's hard to see how such a device could help evacuate heat from a CPU.

      Just stick 100,000 of them end-to-end, naturally. Of course, I've no idea how efficient or effective they really are, but it seems like it *could* work.

    4. Re:On Chip cooling? by MozeeToby · · Score: 1

      Stack arrays of them on top of each other between the CPU and the heat sync. Even if the temperature gradient is tiny over each layer it will add up, and even 1000 of them would be less than a millimeter thick.

    5. Re:On Chip cooling? by m509272 · · Score: 1

      Was the first thing that popped into my head too. Of course, depends on many factors I'm sure.

    6. Re:On Chip cooling? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The way it was explained to me is you make an array of them. Or more in a 'trouble spot'.

      Most of the problems with heat is getting it to the heat sink. This sounds like a nice way to do it even when they were talking about it 20 years ago.

      The trick has been making them small enough and the ability to actually make them in bulk.

      Thermal paste (which is really as good as we get in consumer grade stuff) works pretty good. But this would work even better.

    7. Re:On Chip cooling? by coolsnowmen · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Already done: see peltier device. They are already made to the correct size and probably better efficiency.
      http://www.peltier-info.com/
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermoelectric_cooling

    8. Re:On Chip cooling? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      "heat sync" ?! Does anyone actually understand what they talk about these days, or do words just get conflated in the cloud?

    9. Re:On Chip cooling? by dosilegecko · · Score: 1

      I'm sure they meant heat sink, or a sink where the water comes out heated.

    10. Re:On Chip cooling? by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It always amuses me when people try to raise performance as a point against a first generation lab prototype vs. a tenth generation refined technology in production. The question is not whether these piezoelectric heat engines/pumps are more efficient than peltiers now, but rather can they be more efficient than peltiers in the future after further development, or is there a foreseeable upper limit to the technology that makes such an application unlikely even with development?

      There *is* a need for heat reduction at very small scales, especially in mobile devices or even the implant devices of the future. Of course heat has to go somewhere, the only issue is that the destination of the heat be better able to deal with it than the source.

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    11. Re:On Chip cooling? by hrimhari · · Score: 1

      Last time I checked, no cooler actually tried to turn heat into nothing but rather divert the heat from where it's being actively produced to a place that it can be efficiently dissipated.

      If one can force the heat transfer to go faster than it naturally would, the implications on CPU cooling are obvious.

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    12. Re:On Chip cooling? by coolsnowmen · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Good point, But U was still only a little hasty in my write off
      Conversely, Peltier devices work at the diode level which is already quite small, so until shown otherwise, I think the problem is still better handled by this class of devices. That doesn't mean this tech isn't interesting, it just means I think it is not as well suited to heat dissipation. While I may be proved wrong in the future, currently, I am correct.

    13. Re:On Chip cooling? by bill_kress · · Score: 1

      I love how a lack of imagination these days = impossible. I've decided to try responding to posts that claim "I can't imagine it, so since it's not possible..."

      So, how about placing them together side-by-side so the cold side points down at the CPU and the hot side points up to the heat sink. This keeps the CPU cooler and the heat sink hotter (allowing it to dissipate more heat).

      How about a tube made of the stuff--outside is hot, inside cool, through which you blow air? The tube itself can sit outside the case, the air blows over the CPU.

      I dunno, it seems like any way you want to look at it, it could be used to enhance cooling by moving heat away from a source (which is what ALL cooling does). How could you not see that?

    14. Re:On Chip cooling? by sexconker · · Score: 0, Redundant

      There *is* a need for heat reduction at very small scales

      This new technology does not reduce heat.
      This new technology simply moves heat.
      This new technology actually adds net heat.

    15. Re:On Chip cooling? by sexconker · · Score: 1

      How would you get your precisely tuned current to a densely packed array of these rods?

      How would you deal with the fact that they will be constantly contracting and expanding?

      How will you deal with the terrible heat transfer at the millions of interfaces between them?

      A simple copper heatsink with shitty compusa branded thermal goop would perform far better than any usage of these things. These things are meant for micro-scale heat control. They are not for your CPU.

      A solid (as in, contiguous) block of material is the best heat sink there is. Want to suck out more heat? Make it bigger. Want to move the heat away from the main block? Use a non-solid material that conducts heat well and pass it over the solid material.

      Just submerge your computer in mineral oil.

    16. Re:On Chip cooling? by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 2, Insightful

      By taking that clause out of context, you're making it mean something else. In context of the paragraph it means reducing heat *in one place* vs. another. Once again, net heat increase may be both acceptable and necessary if the area of increased heat handles it better and enables the area of decreased heat to function where it otherwise would fail/degrade. I can see you're trying to be both clever and pedantic, but you're just failing to comprehend and I don't know what you think you're adding to this discussion.

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    17. Re:On Chip cooling? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It always amuses me when people try to raise performance as a point against a first generation lab prototype vs. a tenth generation refined technology in production.

      Its surprising how often this happens on Slashdot. You'd think an audience of geeks would realise that technological advancements often don't immediately leaprof the preceding technology. They are often worse, but with potential to get much better.

    18. Re:On Chip cooling? by garyebickford · · Score: 1

      Peltier junctions are 'cool', but irrelevant to this. Unless my memory fails me, Peltier devices are not heat engines. They are solid-state thermoelectric devices. The devices here involve the Carnot Cycle of exchanging temperature and pressure in a four-sided cycle as do all heat engines. It's a bit weird at least for me to think about because they are also using the piezoelectric effect to drive or be driven by the cycle, so it's hard to think of these as simple heat engines. I will have to reread TFA to grok the actual thermal cycle. But that's just me. :) The key will be to determine which transition in the cycle is adiabatic.

      Offhand, I suppose that the piezoelectric action can be thought of as equivalent to the heat created by combustion in a common gas engine. But I'm not sure that's correct. Or, perhaps the piezoelectric element is acting as the piston in a Sterling engine. Time to read TFA! :)

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    19. Re:On Chip cooling? by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      And even the performance scale is just one of many axes in the space of the question, whether that concept is useful.
      The size, for example, is another one.

      Why do people always think in one-dimensional absolute extremes?
      (Yes, I know that the “always“ is ironic. ^^)

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    20. Re:On Chip cooling? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And if you'd just read the NEXT SENTENCE after the one that statement was in, you'd realize your comment was entirely unnecessary. The author already made that point and demonstrated they understood everything you said.

    21. Re:On Chip cooling? by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Simple physics dictates that moving heat to a far away place works, while moving it to a nearby place doesn't.

      Very small scale heat dissipation has to deal with the very simple fact that the place it's moving heat away to is right next to the place it's trying to move it away from.

      Comparing this technology to existing technologies for regular-scale use is in fact retarded. I don't care how much you improve on the technology, it's physically crippled compared to regular methods for regular-scale use.

      You can not get around the basic physical laws of heat transfer.

      Using this shit to cool a CPU is like building a bridge out of dry spaghetti. Sure, your SCALE MODEL works great, but shit does not scale linearly in this little 3D Universe we've got.

      PHYSICS.

  3. Next step by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a micro SUV

    1. Re:Next step by ElSupreme · · Score: 1

      You mean a hatchback?

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    2. Re:Next step by tom17 · · Score: 1

      Or rather a SUV is just a bigger Hatchback.

  4. Another way to save gas by MrJones · · Score: 1

    Its a heat engine but it does not use gas, so maybe this could be the engine for a train of nano bots! Or we can use them to cool our CPUs. Interesting indeed, now we need to find an use for it

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    1. Re:Another way to save gas by mcgrew · · Score: 3, Funny

      If the heat were produced externally it would be a sort of Stirling engine. So I guess one this size would be Sterling sliver.

  5. what is a cubic micrometer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Can the physics gurus please put cubic micrometers in perspective for us common mortals? Is that as big as a grain of rice or a head of a pin?
    10^7 micrometers is.... a spehrical cow? a toaster?

    1. Re:what is a cubic micrometer by Red+Flayer · · Score: 5, Informative

      You know how big a millimeter is, right? A micrometer is one thousandth the length of a millimeter.

      A cubic micrometer is the volume occupied by a cube one micrometer on each side.

      10^7 cubic micrometers would fill a cube about one-fifth of a millimeter on a side. Smaller than a pinhead.

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    2. Re:what is a cubic micrometer by Atraxen · · Score: 4, Informative

      Fun fact - Wolfram Alpha can serve as your 'self-checkout line' for things like this.
      http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=1+cubic+micrometer

      Here's a bit of scale - a cubic micrometer is about the same size as a calibration bead for microscopy. A red blood cell is about 8 micrometers across. http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/begin/cells/scale/ Or, there's this video showing the "powers of ten" (also its title...): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2cmlhfdxuY

      Also, chemists work at these dimensions, too! (So do biologists. And others.) :*P Don't snub the other disciplines!!! Or I'll weep. And not gently, nor to a guitar.

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    3. Re:what is a cubic micrometer by xaxa · · Score: 3, Informative

      about one-fifth of a millimeter on a side

      That's about the thickness of a sheet of paper. (Round here, and probably in a lot of the world, the thickness and density of paper is specified, for instance "160 g/m^2, 200 micrometres".)

    4. Re:what is a cubic micrometer by DeltaStorm · · Score: 1

      Can the physics gurus please put cubic micrometers in perspective for us common mortals? Is that as big as a grain of rice or a head of a pin?
      10^7 micrometers is.... a spehrical cow? a toaster?

      Yes, someone explain how many of them would fit into the library of congress.

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    5. Re:what is a cubic micrometer by IndustrialComplex · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yes, someone explain how many of them would fit into the library of congress.

      A metric assload.

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    6. Re:what is a cubic micrometer by ilsaloving · · Score: 1

      How many libraries of congress is that?

    7. Re:what is a cubic micrometer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Much smaller I guess. But that was the previous minimum, right? So the summary is saying "attempts to shrink them by any significant amount have mostly ended in failure" because they couldn't make them smaller than a fraction of a pinhead?! Wow!

    8. Re:what is a cubic micrometer by iapetus · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's no help - most Slashdotters are American. What's that in imperial assloads?

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    9. Re:what is a cubic micrometer by MagicM · · Score: 1

      (10^7) (cubic micrometers) = 0.01 cubic millimeters

    10. Re:what is a cubic micrometer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many libraries of congress is that?

      What?

      That's like sitting in some bleachers, looking down at a football field, and asking how many GHz it is.

      Major standard non-standard unit misuse, man.

    11. Re:what is a cubic micrometer by MadKeithV · · Score: 1

      A lot less, due to size-differences between the US and Europe.

    12. Re:what is a cubic micrometer by vasp · · Score: 1

      Just about 0.62 imperial assloads.. or ca 1.2 imperial cheekloads.

    13. Re:what is a cubic micrometer by mdda · · Score: 1

      What's INSANE about this is that the tiny heat pump that's one-fifth of a millimeter on a side is HUGE (10^7 times as big) in comparison to the one these guys are making.

    14. Re:what is a cubic micrometer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know, but I hear Queen Victoria had *quite* the imperial ass.

    15. Re:what is a cubic micrometer by mdm-adph · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's "U.S. Customary" assloads, Loyalist swine.

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    16. Re:what is a cubic micrometer by Thud457 · · Score: 4, Funny

      WRONG!

      Library of Congresses are a perfectly cromulent unit of volume. Just because the necessary measurements to derive the value are not easily google-able doesn't invalidate that fact.

      In the past, when deriving the conversion from Library of Congresses to BTU's, we've used the assumption that we're talking about the books that make up the Library of Congress, not the building itself. This is because, back in the mists of time, Library of Congresses were originally used as a measure of information in the collection of the Library of Congress.

      Anyhow, as a back-of-the-envelope estimate, 29 million books at 1" x 10" x 8" gives us a value of ~50,000 cubic yards. That gives us a value of ((10^7) (cubic micrometers)) / (50 000 (cubic yards)) = 2.61590124 × 10-16 Library of Congresses.

      Screw this "metric system" with it's plethora of different units for different quantities. I strongly endorse that everybody normalize on Library of Congresses for units of any quantity. Just imagine how it would simplify your life!

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    17. Re:what is a cubic micrometer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oblig xkcd reference.

    18. Re:what is a cubic micrometer by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      A centimeter is about as far across as your pinky finger fingernail.
      A centimeter is about half the distance across a penny (1.9cm), nickle(2.1cm), or dime (1.7cm).
      So a square the size of a stack of pennies, 6 high (1.55mm each), would be 1 centimeter high, 4 centimeters square (2x2) and have 4 cubic centimeters.

      A typical grain of rice appears to be about .2centimeters by 1 centimeter. So each grain of rice has roughly 1/25th of a cubic centimeter of material. So 25 grains of rice would roughly fill a cubic centimeter.

      From here http://online.unitconverterpro.com/common-conversion-tables/convert-alpha/length.html
      there are 10,000 micrometers per centimeter.

      From wiki
      A human hair is 50 micrometers in diameter.

      Since the device is .5 cubic micrometers, it is basically about 1/100th the thickness of a strand of human hair.
      At 100x, on a consumer microscope, it would appear as a tiny dot.
      At 1000x, (I think I had one that went this high), it should appear as a shape.

      Comparatively, a human cell has a volume of 2.32 cubic micrometers. So this is about 1/4th the size of a human cell.
      You can clearly see cells in a normal microscope so this is not a sub atomic device.

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    19. Re:what is a cubic micrometer by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      What's that in imperial assloads?

      I thought we had agreed to stop talking about the Bush administration... :-)

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    20. Re:what is a cubic micrometer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jay Leno

    21. Re:what is a cubic micrometer by RobVB · · Score: 2, Funny
      It would be great if commercials were like this:

      This car will drive 437 milliLibraries of Congress per nanoLibrary of Congress of gasoline! And with the low carbon emissions of just 4.3 picoLibraries of Congress of CO2 per microLibrary of Congress driven, it's great for the environment!

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    22. Re:what is a cubic micrometer by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

      Library of Congresses are a perfectly cromulent unit of volume = Score:4, Informative

      Welcome to Slashdot!

    23. Re:what is a cubic micrometer by afaik_ianal · · Score: 1

      You know how big a millimeter is, right?

      He's American, you insensitive clod.

    24. Re:what is a cubic micrometer by Myrimos · · Score: 1

      That's "U.S. Customary" assloads...

      Since it's a measure of mass, it could also (and perhaps more precisely) be avoirdupois assloads.

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    25. Re:what is a cubic micrometer by GayBliss · · Score: 1

      Then a length in Libraries of Congress would logically be the length of shelf space required to hold the books, or roughly 29 million x 1 inch = 457.7 miles.

      So my car can travel approximately 1 Library of Congress on a full tank of gas.

    26. Re:what is a cubic micrometer by Trogre · · Score: 1

      Going from anecdotal evidence, I'd say the standard American assload is about 2.54 Continental European assloads.

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    27. Re:what is a cubic micrometer by Aquila+della+Notte · · Score: 1

      Not sure. I do know it takes 4000 holes to fill the Albert Hall. Does that help?

  6. Did someone say pump? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Can it be used for other things?

    1. Re:Did someone say pump? by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If you've got a thing that small, it's time to give up on it...

  7. Beer cans? by courteaudotbiz · · Score: 1, Funny

    How many beer cans fit in a 0.5 micrometers refrigerator?

    1. Re:Beer cans? by AaxelB · · Score: 4, Funny

      How many beer cans fit in a 0.5 micrometers refrigerator?

      Depends. Are we talking micro- or macrobrews?

    2. Re:Beer cans? by courteaudotbiz · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I didn't specify. I was talking about nanobrews.

    3. Re:Beer cans? by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1, Funny

      How many beer cans fit in a 0.5 micrometers refrigerator?

      You're thinking too small.

      The correct question is, how many beer kegs fit in a 0.5 micrometer fridge?

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    4. Re:Beer cans? by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      That depends. Are we talking about actual beers?

      In a less huumorous vein, how many of these refrigerators does it take to cool a can of beer? It would be nice to have cold beer with a built in refrigerator in every can. Provided it could be done cheaply enough.

    5. Re:Beer cans? by krnpimpsta · · Score: 4, Funny

      You're thinking too small.

      The correct question is, how many beer kegs fit in a 0.5 micrometer fridge?

      0.00000000000000000852167911 beer kegs

      If the fridge interior happens to be shaped optimally so that no space is wasted and the entire 0.5 micrometer fridge is filled with keg, then.. exactly 8.52167911 * 10^-18 beer kegs (if each keg is 15.5 gallons). [Incase someone wants to out-pedant me: Yeah, I understand you can't optimally shape a 0.5 micrometer fridge for a keg, when the size of 1 unit of keg > 0.5 micrometer fridge.]

      Citation: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=(0.5+micrometers%5E3)%2F(1+keg)&aq=f&aql=&aqi=&oq=

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    6. Re:Beer cans? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then a 1000x1000x1000. You silly Americans really can not do anything for yourselves.

    7. Re:Beer cans? by courteaudotbiz · · Score: 1

      I am Canadian, you insensitive clod!

      And since we're talking about .5 micrometers, it would be more like 1000x1000x500.

      You also forgot about the nano light-bulb, otherwise, you won't be able to see the beer in the fridge...

    8. Re:Beer cans? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop being pedantic. We're talking about beer here!!!!

    9. Re:Beer cans? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You, sir, are my hero.

    10. Re:Beer cans? by damien_kane · · Score: 1

      The correct question is, how many beer kegs fit in a 0.5 micrometer fridge?

      The answer is None... None beer kegs fit in a 0.5 micrometer fridge.
      One fits nicely in my kegerator, though.

    11. Re:Beer cans? by gsarnold · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, no, no! You don't put the beer in the fridge, you put the fridge in the beer! Take that disk thingy Guinness uses in their cans to make it all foamy and add the refrigerator to that! Take it off the shelf, pop it open, wait two minutes and Voila! -- it's ice cold AND foamy! Brilliant!

    12. Re:Beer cans? by mike2R · · Score: 1

      You also forgot about the nano light-bulb, otherwise, you won't be able to see the beer in the fridge...

      I think we may have run into a small technical problem. Isn't the wavelength of visible light about 0.5 micrometres?

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    13. Re:Beer cans? by FuckTheModerators · · Score: 1

      As I'm not up on my Slashdot measurement schemes at the moment, can you provide a beer-kegs to libraries-of-congress conversion?

      If the result could be in furlongs per hogshead, that would be great.

    14. Re:Beer cans? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You need room for the lightblubl!

  8. Usefulness? by robinstar1574 · · Score: 0

    This is a great invention, but how can it be used in a meaningful way? It is so small that it produces a very minimal amount of horsepower, which is not useful for any actual way.

    1. Re:Usefulness? by Dunbal · · Score: 5, Funny

      It is so small that it produces a very minimal amount of horsepower, which is not useful for any actual way.

            Unless of course you have several billion of them on a gram sized object. If you can't see the value in jet powered ants you should turn in your nerd card.

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    2. Re:Usefulness? by gurps_npc · · Score: 5, Interesting
      No. You have made a critical error in thinking. You need to think relativity wise. Scale changes how much power we need. As of yet we don't have many small things that need small amounts of power because we have NOT had the engine. Now that we have the small heat engine, it will allow us to develop small devices that use it.

      Assuming we had micro engines, we can take full advantege of many things that are better smaller than bigger.

      For example, a small device that turns heat into power could power an IMPLANTABLE MEDICAL DEVICE using the bodies own heating/cooling systems? No more changing the battery for the pacemaker every

      Then there are small flying devices. I am sure the military would love a flying camera the size of a real fly that uses the solar heat of the sun to power it.

      Then there are phones and musical devices. Want one that uses half of its' own waste heat to recharge itself, perhaps doubling battery life?

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    3. Re:Usefulness? by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      Then there are phones and musical devices. Want one that uses half of its' own waste heat to recharge itself, perhaps doubling battery life?

      There's a reason we don't already use the waste heat for recharging electronics... because it's damn expensive. There are far better components for turning a heat gradient into electricity than this type of motor.

      Looking at your other examples... the promise of this device is not in turning heat into electrical power. It's about turning heat into physical power. Think transport of tiny, tiny objects (microsurgery for vascular repair, for example).

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    4. Re:Usefulness? by Thelasko · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As an engineer that works with heat engines. I don't see what is so difficult about making a small heat engine. However, if one were to make a heat engine seven orders of magnitude smaller, with the same efficiency of a full sized heat engine... THAT would be an accomplishment!

      Unfortunately, both the article and the summary have left out that detail...

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    5. Re:Usefulness? by tmosley · · Score: 1

      Finally, a refrigeration unit compact enough to let me get some sharks with frikkin' lasers on their heads!

    6. Re:Usefulness? by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Have you played Metroid Prime on the Gamecube? The first game, in Norfair, there's a geothermal power station with giant cylinders embedded in volcanic walls suspended just above the lava flow. They constantly pump. They're... HUGE.... I thought it was pretty epic, considering the larger engine would have a higher total efficiency; but I never figured out how the rock face would be cool enough to support high efficiencies (it's not molten, but it's still fucking hot). Just an interesting thought for you, since it seems to be in your field and I figure you might find the cultural reference (and the associated mind games trying to work out if/how this would work in real life) pleasant.

    7. Re:Usefulness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it's as useless as you claim then it's a good way there is no such thing as nanotechnology. That would be a waste of time, wouldn't it?

    8. Re:Usefulness? by newcastlejon · · Score: 1

      For example, a small device that turns heat into power could power an IMPLANTABLE MEDICAL DEVICE using the bodies own heating/cooling systems? No more changing the battery for the pacemaker every

      Depends... what are you going to use for the cold sink when the implant is surrounded by flesh that's all at 38 degrees?

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    9. Re:Usefulness? by jbengt · · Score: 1

      For example, a small device that turns heat into power could power an IMPLANTABLE MEDICAL DEVICE using the bodies own heating/cooling systems?

      How would that work?
      To power a heat engine, you need a temperature difference.
      To power a heat engine efficiently, you need a temperature difference significant in comparison to the absolute temperatures.
      As the temperature difference approaches 0, the efficiency approaches 0.
      The maximum theoretical efficiency between body temperature and body temperatue + 3C is about 1%
      How much of a temperature difference do you think you can find within the human body across a machine of a few micormeters (or even millimeters) in length?

    10. Re:Usefulness? by suomynonAyletamitlU · · Score: 1

      At what scale do you expect the horsepower to be useful? A micrometer engine won't power your SUV, but if you want to create extremely small ducted fans that can be embedded in a processor, for example, I think it has the horsepower to push air.

      Although that raises the immediate question of what happens if the mechanism gets clogged by dust or something. At that scale, there ain't shit you can do to clean it.

    11. Re:Usefulness? by Qzukk · · Score: 2, Funny

      How much of a temperature difference do you think you can find within the human body across a machine of a few micormeters (or even millimeters) in length?

      That's what the 12" heat sink sticking out of your chest is for. That, and impressing the ladies.

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    12. Re:Usefulness? by gurps_npc · · Score: 1

      It's damn expensive, using CURRENT technology. This is new technology. I.E. you have no idea if this is going to be expensive or not using it. But you are right about my mistaking physical for electrical.

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    13. Re:Usefulness? by gurps_npc · · Score: 1

      The body has multiple mechanism of disposing of heat. It is FULL of temperature differences. That is not the problem. Ever go out in the cold? Notice your hands get cold but your chest does not? You can easily get more than 3 degrees celsius. The problem as someone else mentioned is that this converts heat to kinetic, not electrical.

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    14. Re:Usefulness? by Wiener · · Score: 1

      How much of a temperature difference do you think you can find within the human body across a machine of a few micormeters (or even millimeters) in length?

      That's what the 12" heat sink sticking out of your chest is for. That, and impressing the ladies.

      I think they'd be more impressed if that 12" "heat sink" was closer to waist height.

  9. Heat engine != internal combustion engine by Dilligent · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Somehow "heat engine" directly translates into "internal combustion engine" for me. But this piece uses electricity, exactly how useful is that? This is bound to be less efficient than to use the electricity to just power an ordinary electric motor. I suppose scaling a motor down to that size might be kinda difficult, though, if that was the point, why emphasize that it is a heat engine?

    1. Re:Heat engine != internal combustion engine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Because the researchers can't say spent their grants to make a piece of metal that vibrates a little more then the last piece of vibrating metal. By comparing this to one of the greatest and most useful inventions of all time and then saying they shrunk it 7 orders of magnitude really makes for a great press release, at least on /.

    2. Re:Heat engine != internal combustion engine by Scrameustache · · Score: 5, Informative

      Somehow "heat engine" directly translates into "internal combustion engine" for me.

      That's too bad, I hope this article will be enough to let you correct your thought

      why emphasize that it is a heat engine?

      Because they figure it's mostly usefull as a heat pump, not as a mechanical actuator.

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    3. Re:Heat engine != internal combustion engine by qazwart · · Score: 4, Informative

      The internal combustion engine is only one class of heat engines. The Sterling Engine and the External Combustion Engine (used in old steam locomotives) are also heat engines. Heat engines use heat to create power either by taking advantage of temperature differences or the expansion of heated air.

    4. Re:Heat engine != internal combustion engine by BlueKitties · · Score: 1

      It's a conversion of thermal energy into mechanical motion. It may be far off, but this is something that could harness a very abundant but difficult to use energy source -- heat. I'm not sure how effective or efficient these could become, but it's still an interesting prospect.

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    5. Re:Heat engine != internal combustion engine by Rogerborg · · Score: 1, Funny

      why emphasize that it is a heat engine?

      Probably just trying to get some free publicity when California bans it.

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    6. Re:Heat engine != internal combustion engine by mcgrew · · Score: 4, Informative

      Somehow "heat engine" directly translates into "internal combustion engine" for me.

      A steam engine is an external combustion engine, yet is is still a heat engine. The thing with this teensy engine is that it reuses waste heat rather than throwing it away, making it far more efficient than your ordinary electric motor.

      As a side note, the difference between a motor and an engine is that a motor rotates, an engine reciprocates. You can indeed have an electric engine (theyre usually called "solenoids") and a gasoline motor (Mazda had "rotary engines" back in the '70s; they were actually gasoline motors.)

    7. Re:Heat engine != internal combustion engine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A Stirling engine is an external combustion engine, as is a steam engine.

    8. Re:Heat engine != internal combustion engine by YttriumOxide · · Score: 2, Informative

      Mazda had "rotary engines" back in the '70s; they were actually gasoline motors.

      Had? Wouldn't "have had ... since" be more accurate? (oh, and it's since 1963, so the '60s...)

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    9. Re:Heat engine != internal combustion engine by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      As a side note, the difference between a motor and an engine is that a motor rotates, an engine reciprocates.

      Huh. I didn't know that.

      So I guess that means that Wankel was being a bit of a Wanker when he named his Wankel Rotary Engine, huh?

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    10. Re:Heat engine != internal combustion engine by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      The description in the summary is really only *half* a heat engine. It turns electricity into work, yah, but it also turns work (in the form of electricity) into temperature difference.

      What it does not do is turn a temperature difference into work, which is the other half of the equation. A heat engine must do at least one of the two, and it has been proved that the maximum efficiency occurs for reversible processes, so many heat engines are capable of both.

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    11. Re:Heat engine != internal combustion engine by sammy+baby · · Score: 2, Insightful

      (Mazda had "rotary engines" back in the '70s; they were actually gasoline motors.)

      Sir, poorly played. You should never pass up the opportunity to use the word "Wankel" in a sentence.

    12. Re:Heat engine != internal combustion engine by Maow · · Score: 1

      Somehow "heat engine" directly translates into "internal combustion engine" for me.

      My first thought was Stirling Engine...

      As a side note, the difference between a motor and an engine is that a motor rotates, an engine reciprocates. You can indeed have an electric engine (theyre usually called "solenoids") and a gasoline motor (Mazda had "rotary engines" back in the '70s; they were actually gasoline motors.)

      Interesting, I've often wondered about that.

      Could you kindly expand on how reciprocation happens in relation to a solenoid? I'm a bit clueless there, as I'm envisioning a solenoid working like a relay and that's probably incorrect.

      Thanks!

    13. Re:Heat engine != internal combustion engine by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      The main difference between a solenoid and a relay is that in a relay, the electromagnet moves a flap-like thing that connects and disconnects circuts, while a solenoid is an electrically driven piston. They are similar, but solenoids usually move a non-electrical component (picture the remote trunk opener in your car) while a relay is a remotely driven switch, usually used to use low voltage/current to switch a high voltage/current circuit. That's not their only use; a digital computer was built by at least one German fellow in the 1930s that used relays rather than vaccuum tubes.

    14. Re:Heat engine != internal combustion engine by BlackPignouf · · Score: 1

      I RTFA, and I still have serious doubts about the terminology used here and there.

      What TFA describes is actually an electric motor. They apply AC & DC, and got mechanical work :

      The new heat engine is essentially a bar of piezoelectric material whihc expands and contracts when an alternating current is applied

      Well guess what? That's no heat engine, that's an electric motor. It also happens to release some heat, but so does every motor.

      They didn't describe the reverse process (heat engine or refrigerator).

      Maybe this product really *is* a heat engine, but that's not what's described in TFA.

    15. Re:Heat engine != internal combustion engine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mazda had "rotary engines" back in the '70s; they were actually gasoline motors.

      Had? Wouldn't "have had ... since" be more accurate? (oh, and it's since 1963, so the '60s...)

      The two corrections you point out make mcgrew's statement entirely accurate. mcgrew never said they didn't have them before 1970 nor mcgrw GP say they stopped having them after 1970.

      Two wrongs make a right.

    16. Re:Heat engine != internal combustion engine by jbengt · · Score: 4, Informative

      As a side note, the difference between a motor and an engine is that a motor rotates, an engine reciprocates.

      Huh. I didn't know that.

      Not surprising that you didn't know that, since it isn't true.
      An engine is a machine that does work using a source of energy like the coiled rope of a catapult or the tank of gas for your internal combustion engine.
      A motor is an engine that moves something, like, say, a motorcycle.

    17. Re:Heat engine != internal combustion engine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mazda still do have rotary engines. They're used in the Mazda RX8 which won "engine of the year" awards from some car magazines.

    18. Re:Heat engine != internal combustion engine by bughunter · · Score: 1

      As in, "I built a working model of a Wankel Engine in high school?"

      Wow. That is win.

      How 'bout this, "I had a Wankel when I was a teenage boy?"

      Hrm... Not so much.

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    19. Re:Heat engine != internal combustion engine by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      That's what I thought. :/

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    20. Re:Heat engine != internal combustion engine by kocsonya · · Score: 1

      "making it far more efficient than your ordinary electric motor"

      Um, electric motors are 90%+ efficient, so how much is "far more"?

      The actual details in the linked blog are a tad hazy and possibly even incorrect.
      The article says that because of the mechanical change the resistance of the crystal is changed, therefore the heat generated by the DC current changes. Then it makes a rather large hop, or more like a giant leap, and says that thus one side heats up and the other cools down. Unfortunately, this is not true for resistive heat, which is always positive (i.e. warming, not cooling). There's nothing in the blog article that would explain the cooling down of one side of the crystal.

      So the actual operating principle of this thingummy is not explained at the linked page and a cursory Google for '"heat engine" piezo NXP' revealed nothing usable. I guess we have to wait until a scientific explanation becomes useful and *then* we can start arguing about how much better or worse this technology is than any other existing technology.

  10. Isn't this a... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Peltier diode?

  11. SteamPunk nanobots! by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

    Finally my plan for steampunk (almost)nanobots can come to fruition! Those millions in grant money to the blacksmith have finally paid off.

  12. They were damn lucky... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...with that UFO crash in Holland two years ago.

  13. More Entropy, that is exactly what need... by jameskojiro · · Score: 1

    I guess the Logopolians will have to spend even more time doing base block calculations to prevent the heat death of the universe.....

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    1. Re:More Entropy, that is exactly what need... by Lemmeoutada+Collecti · · Score: 1

      Wasn't that Block Transfer Computations?

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  14. I'm rather intrigued... by 91degrees · · Score: 1

    Apparently there are 0.001mm^2 engines already!

  15. Reeedeeeculous by Ancient_Hacker · · Score: 0, Troll

    Sometimes I despair about the level of scientific knowledge imparted to today's youth.

    There is NO WAY to make a heat engine of any efficiency smaller than a few cc's.

    It's the basic SCALING LAW that Galilleo figured out like 600 years ago.

    As you make things smaller, their volume, which is their abilitry to burn fuel, goes down as the CUBE of its linear dimension.

    But its surface area, which is how it loses heat, only goes down as the square.

    So as you shrink things, pretty soon, you can't start a fire. The fire loses heat over its surface area faster than itrs volume can generate it.
    Which is why you don't see flames smaller than a certain, much larger than micrometer, size.

    Even for non-flame sources, the exact same rules apply. So you can't make a heat engine of any usable efficiency below a certain size. Model-airplane engines of 1cc capacity are about the lower practical limit. Anything smaller and you have trouble getting it to light off and even if it does, the heat quickly dissipates.

    So just on general principles, one can guess that this touted device has vanishingly small efficiency.

    And no, no "but we can INSULATE it" or "the RULES are DIFFERENT down there".

    1. Re:Reeedeeeculous by Guppy · · Score: 2, Informative

      So as you shrink things, pretty soon, you can't start a fire. The fire loses heat over its surface area faster than itrs volume can generate it.
      Which is why you don't see flames smaller than a certain, much larger than micrometer, size.

      So if I'm understanding this argument correctly, the limitation can also be understood in terms of the time window available in which to extract the energy decreases, as the engine scales down. At a material level, the heat dissipation has a limit as well -- for conduction, it can't be any faster than the speed of sound (within the material comprising the engine).

      While we don't have any information on the frequency at which the piezo engine operates, it could be very high, allowing for nearly instant energy extraction. We could possibly be approaching the limit at which the two limitations compete.

    2. Re:Reeedeeeculous by ThreeGigs · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And I despair of the lack of English education, specifically reading comprehension.

      This isn't internal combustion, which is what your argument is based on. It uses the fact that solids expand and contract when heated and cooled, including some piezo materials.

      Please read the summary *again*.

    3. Re:Reeedeeeculous by sunking2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's almost as pathetic as the idiots who assume heat engine == combustion engine.

    4. Re:Reeedeeeculous by witch-doktor · · Score: 1

      This reference may be relevant: http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/tandf/umte/1998/00000002/00000002/art00006?crawler=true "...Results from this study show that a small-scale heat engine fabricated from a low-thermal-conductivity material can be made with a length scale approaching 1 mm. Such a device would undoubtedly be composed of numerous microscale components. Below the 1-mm limit, efficiency suffers to such a degree that solid-state thermoelectric devices would become a better choice for a particular application. "

    5. Re:Reeedeeeculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      not a word about any fire in TFA, it rather talks about heat from electrical resistance - so the engine is electrical, but not electro-magnetic - it's rather an electro-piezo-heat-engine

      stress: no combustion, but piezo-effects and electro-resistance

    6. Re:Reeedeeeculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heat engines do not require that they burn any fuel, they all operate by converting heat to some other form of energy. You are correct in thinking that an internal combustion will have lousy efficency at that size, but it is not true for all heat engines, their power output is mostly dependent on the difference in tempreture of the two sides and thus how much energy they can move per unit area. A very small heat engine can be used to create a paper thin wall that extracts energy and from the temp differential, the fuel can be a flame against a steel plate with millions of mini heat engines on the other side.

      However this type of heat engine is probably most useful as a chip cooler which would allow heat to be moved around to cooler spots on the chip, if we want efficient we can do that, an engine using the carnot cycle can hit the maxium possible efficency and can be made to exceed 70% efficency in the real world, but they are expensive and big (and thus not useful for cars).

    7. Re:Reeedeeeculous by SoVeryTired · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's the basic SCALING LAW that Galilleo figured out like 600 years ago.

      As you make things smaller, their volume, which is their abilitry to burn fuel, goes down as the CUBE of its linear dimension.

      But its surface area, which is how it loses heat, only goes down as the square.

      That'd be Newton's law of cooling, no more than 300 years old.

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    8. Re:Reeedeeeculous by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      I doubt they're trying to oxidize fuel in that volume - more likely they are transferring heat from one volume of gas to another.

    9. Re:Reeedeeeculous by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      How did this get +3 informative?

      How about -1 "did not read the summary and assumed it was an IC engine".

    10. Re:Reeedeeeculous by kgskgs · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What has happened to Slashdot? Who do you have to be a Guru in every subject to read Slashdot?

      Looks like gone are the days when all you needed to good discussions on Slashdot was genuine curiosity and decent , not necessarily perfect, grasp of English language. And no, being a know-all, done-all master of the universe was not required either.

      While I can perfectly understand saying "You are making a mistake" or "That's not what the article says", I have never really understood calling someone pathetic for not knowing something.

      The range of topics covered here is very wide and I don't know abc of several things discussed here. Does that make me stupid and pathetic?

    11. Re:Reeedeeeculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's almost as pathetic as the idiots who assume heat engine == combustion engine.

      Is that supposed to be common knowledge?

    12. Re:Reeedeeeculous by cynyr · · Score: 1

      heat engine != ICE... no fire needed.

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    13. Re:Reeedeeeculous by El+Gigante+de+Justic · · Score: 1

      To be fair, its a poorly written summary that can easily cause anyone who doesn't have a background in this area of engineering to assume it's only talking about internal combustion engines because of the first two to three sentence:

      "The vast majority of motors that power our planes, trains, and automobiles are heat engines. They rely on the rapid expansion of gas as it heats up to generate movement. But attempts to shrink them by any significant amount have mostly ended in failure."

      This could be interpreted by many as "Heat engines, like those we use to power vehicles, rely on the rapid expansion of gas as it heats to generate movement, and engineers have been unable to shrink them by any significant amount". The summary could have been much clearer by defining a heat engine has any device that converts heat to mechanical work, and stated that internal combustion engines are one type of heat engine, but there are other types as well.
          Even when I first read it, I was thinking "How'd they even get an internal combustion engine down to 10^7 cubic micrometers?". It would have been helpful if it described that heat engine as well, since it's obviously not internal combustion.

    14. Re:Reeedeeeculous by ravenshrike · · Score: 1

      What does Immigration and Customs Enforcement have to do with piezoelectric heat engines?

    15. Re:Reeedeeeculous by AaxelB · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The range of topics covered here is very wide and I don't know abc of several things discussed here. Does that make me stupid and pathetic?

      The key point is that you recognize that you don't know everything about the topic at hand. The post that sunking2 was responding to was essentially a spew of vitriol against the researchers, claiming that it's impossible to make such a small engine with any sort of efficiency, and that they're stupid and ignorant for even trying. According to that post's replies, the writer is completely wrong and doesn't know some basic facts about the subject they're yelling about.

      So, no, you're not at all stupid and pathetic for not knowing everything about everything, and I'm in the same boat with you (I've learned a fair amount from this story's discussion), but neither of us is telling everyone (including the Dutch engineers in question) that they're stupid and don't know what they're talking about.

    16. Re:Reeedeeeculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it was know-it-all condescending tone taken by the OP. If he had left out the pointless drama about 'today's youth', he might have been given some slack. I personally hate wind bags (of any age), so I was happy to see the OP put in his place.

      That said, I learned something from him and the folk responding to him.

    17. Re:Reeedeeeculous by Comboman · · Score: 1
      The range of topics covered here is very wide and I don't know abc of several things discussed here. Does that make me stupid and pathetic?

      No, your post was polite and respectful, so you're not stupid and pathetic (even though I don't agree with you). The original ("Reedeeculous") post was both incorrect and rude, and the response was appropriate (correct and rude). If the original post had been incorrect and polite, I'm sure the tone of the responses would be very different. If you act like a know-it-all, don't be surprised if someone who knows more than you decides to teach you some humility.

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    18. Re:Reeedeeeculous by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Looks like gone are the days when all you needed to good discussions on Slashdot was genuine curiosity and decent , not necessarily perfect, grasp of English language. And no, being a know-all, done-all master of the universe was not required either.

      True but you were also expected to recognize that you were not a know-all done-all master... There was never a time on /. where someone who said "I'm right and all these fools have no idea what they're doing" wouldn't result in the poster being smacked down if they were wrong.

      While I can perfectly understand saying "You are making a mistake" or "That's not what the article says", I have never really understood calling someone pathetic for not knowing something.

      Not knowing something is not pathetic. Acting like you know when you don't, and calling the people who do know idiots, is pathetic and I have no issue with someone being called out on that.

      See, you're forgetting the other half of slashdot posting that has changed the OP. It used to be much more common to see a post that would say something like "I thought cube/square scaling laws implied that you can't have an efficient heat engine below a certain size because the heat would dissipate faster than you could generate it. How does this invention get around that?" or "I don't really get QM, so can some explain how it's possible something to be in two states at once, and why electrons are shown as 'clouds'? Doesn't the electron have to actually be somewhere?"

      Nowadays there's a lot more like the OP. "Oh my god, even Gallileo could have figured that these idiots invention couldn't possibly work!" or "Something can't be in two states simultaneously! So obviously QM is wrong and stupid. I can't believe there are so many idiots who blindly believe in that dogmatic bullshit!"

      There's still some of the former, and always were the later. But seriously, I don't think it's that Slashdot has changed when a post that starts off "Reeeeeedonculous!" attracts people ready to tear it down.

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    19. Re:Reeedeeeculous by joeyspqr · · Score: 1

      well ... the statement
      "The range of topics covered here is very wide and I don't know abc of several things discussed here"
      makes you 'wise' in the Socratic sense, negating the description "stupid"

      unfortunately, the location of this discussion reinforces the second descriptor

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    20. Re:Reeedeeeculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing, but the statement is true.

      Heat engine != Immigration and Customs Enforcement

    21. Re:Reeedeeeculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Didn't you mean Archimedes (287 BCE - 212 BCE), but the heat was generated by slaves screwing around

    22. Re:Reeedeeeculous by St.Creed · · Score: 1

      ... but neither of us is telling everyone (including the Dutch engineers in question) that they're stupid and don't know what they're talking about.

      Don't worry. That's just the usual style of Dutch engineering discourse.

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    23. Re:Reeedeeeculous by Ancient_Hacker · · Score: 1

      it makes no difference if it's an IC engine or ZC.

      The issue is the same. To have a heat engine you need separate regions, one hot and one cold. As the regions get smaller, you lose the ability to keep the hot away from the cold. By the time you're down to 1 centimeter, a large fraction of the heat is lost thru conduction. And it just gets worse from there on down.

      And using differential expansion of a solid is a horribly inefficient scheme-- you may have noticed a certain lack of cars powered by the expansion of their tailpipes.

    24. Re:Reeedeeeculous by Ancient_Hacker · · Score: 1

      >Please read the summary *again*.

      yes, you read it again too, especially this part:

        Below the 1-mm limit, efficiency suffers to such a degree that solid-state thermoelectric devices would become a better choice for a particular application. "

      So this device is rated NFG at smaller sizes, by the inventors themselves. .. and I havent even touched on how friction and surface tension also go down as the square, making moving parts below a certain size just plain useless.

    25. Re:Reeedeeeculous by AaxelB · · Score: 1

      Hey, you and I said the same thing in response to the same post, and we both italicized "recognize" in the first sentence!

      Stop copying me! :P

    26. Re:Reeedeeeculous by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      Stop copying me then traveling back in time to post first! Total waste of a time machine. ;)

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  16. Peltier elements? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Surely thermoelectric semi-conductors would do the trick?

    They may not be very efficient, but I'd suspect you could make them fairly small if you utilized modern chip technology.

  17. Help Me by SnarfQuest · · Score: 1

    The total volume of the device is just 0.5 cubic micrometres.

    I know I parked my car around here somewhere. Anyone see it?

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  18. 0.5 cubic micrometres?! by Phizzle · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So thats like much smaller than a womp rat!

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    1. Re:0.5 cubic micrometres?! by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      It's much smaller than a womp rat's penis, at least. Incidentally, when I fucked your girlfriend friday night she was so glad I had a normal penis, said something about yours looking like the dick on a womp rat or something....

  19. 2 wows by happyjack27 · · Score: 1

    when i saw the title i said "wow". then i read the summary, and i said "wow" again. that makes it a double-wow.

  20. In Soviet Russia by bdwebb · · Score: 1

    In Soviet Russia, engine...does not heat you. :(

  21. I am 8.45^10 nanometers tall! by nloop · · Score: 1

    Not only is 10 million much easier to understand than 10^7, but 0.01 cubic millimeters is a MUCH more common number, and measurement.

    Not exactly hidden information either.

  22. Nanites are in luck by gsgriffin · · Score: 1

    Now they don't have to peddle to work each day. The nanites can make a cool ride with one of these motors.

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    1. Re:Nanites are in luck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Way too big for nanites 0.5 cubic micrometres is 5*10^8 cubic nanometres.

    2. Re:Nanites are in luck by flyingfsck · · Score: 2, Informative

      "peddle" - no I don't think they need to sell stuff.

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  23. It's 1% of a cubic mm by KWTm · · Score: 1

    I agree that using cubic micrometers is nowhere near intuitive.

    1 um (replace "u" with the Greek letter "mu" please) is 1e-6 metres.
    So, 1 cubic um is 1e-18 cubic metres. So, the smallest conventional heat engines are 1e7 of these 1e-18 cubic metres, or 1e-11 cubic metres.

    Not that intuitive either. So we'll use cubic mm.

    1mm is 1e-3 metres, so 1 cubic mm is 1e-9 cubic metres.

    Something that's 1e-11 cubic m (1e7 cubic um) is 1e-2 cubic mm. So, it's 1% of 1 cubic millimetre.

    That's pretty small.

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    1. Re:It's 1% of a cubic mm by DFarmerTX · · Score: 1

      Go go Google Calc!

      1 (in^3) / ((10^7) (micrometers^3))

      Thats 1.6 million per cubic inch.

  24. Tough call by KiwiCanuck · · Score: 2, Interesting

    if this is useful. I've seen micro rotary and piston engine. They suffer from two problems. One is heat loss due to high surface area to volume ratio (heat leaks away before work can be extracted), and the other is charge (fuel/air) leakage. This appears to solve the leakage problem buy not using combustion. Good job!

  25. So, where do I sign up.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ..for the endonucleic transgenesis procedure?

    According to TFA:
      "Today's macroscopic heat engines are clearly more efficient than biological ones. "

    Come to think of it, why (after all these millions of years), didn't evolution reach this stage?

  26. Read the attached paper... by autophile · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I read the attached paper on arxiv, and from what I could tell, they passed a DC current through the thing, which caused the small engine beam to expand, causing it to heat up and move the mass. The piezoelectric effect causes the resistance in the small engine beam to change, which causes the beam to cool down and move the mass back with help from the larger spring beam. Rinse, repeat. Effectively a thermoelectric buzzer. The buzzing of this particular device was measured to be about 1.255 MHz at a DC current of 1.045 mA.

    Unlike what the Technology Review article says, the paper shows no application of an AC current to get the thing vibrating. In fact, the measured voltage is alternating because the resistance is alternating. The current remains the same. There is no complicated application of a DC current and an AC current. There's just an applied DC current.

    Am I understanding the paper correctly?

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  27. Piezo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mmm, piezo...

  28. solinoid as "engine" by Maow · · Score: 1

    a solenoid is an electrically driven piston

    If the solenoid is electrically driven, is it really an engine by the definition above (reciprocating)?

    I mean sure, the piston reciprocates, but not as part of power generation like in an ICE. I suppose the object being physically acted upon would see the solenoid piston as the source of power.

    It seems that viewing a solenoid as an engine means that electricity is the fuel, and my mind is choking on that.

    Is electricity as "fuel" to a solenoid as electric engine a valid analogy?

    Am I on the right track here, or simply out to lunch?

  29. Pump this! by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

    While that's certainly interesting, wouldn't you just use an electric motor anywhere electricity was available?

    Oh, wait. It's use as a heat pump at that size is notable, but as a motor:

    > It's future as a motor is less clear. It's relatively straightforward to make
    > electrostatic motors that work on this scale and we've looked at plans to
    > build electric motors on the quantum scale.

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  30. There's more. Thermoacoustic applications? by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    ... they passed a DC current through the thing, which caused the small engine beam to expand, causing it to heat up and move the mass. The piezoelectric effect causes the resistance in the small engine beam to change, which causes the beam to cool down and move the mass back with help from the larger spring beam. Rinse, repeat. Effectively a thermoelectric buzzer. ... Am I understanding the paper correctly?

    As far as you went.

    But the alternating heating/cooling doesn't have to come from current through the material. It could come from alternating heating/cooling of its environment, for instance. Like by periodically-varying temperature changes in a fluid or high-intensity illumination.

    Thermoacoustic machinery operates by using very high intensity sound - high enough that it makes major periodic temperature changes in the working fluid due to compression and rarefaction. This is used to build heat engines and heat pumps, sometimes with no moving parts but a gas. And it can operate at small scales and high frequencies.

    It will be interesting to see if arrays of devices using this technology can make a better electrical interface for pulling power out of or putting it into a thermoacoustic device than piezoelectric devices working just on mechanical coupling to the motion of the working fluid.

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