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Antarctica Needs a Network Engineer

littlekorea writes "It's a little underpaid, but network engineers with a fetish for very cold weather might be interested to know that the Australian Government's Antarctic Division is seeking network engineers to manage its telephony, satellite and radio comms in Antarctica. According to the job FAQ, summer temperatures aren't a lot colder than your average data centre. But winters of -30 degrees celsius (-22 Fahrenheit) might make the morning jog a little challenging."

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  1. One plus about the cold: by base3 · · Score: 5, Funny

    It should be an overclocker's paradise there! Of course, better get the best rig you can get starting out, because I'm pretty sure Newegg's shipping isn't as cheap to there.

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    1. Re:One plus about the cold: by idontgno · · Score: 3, Informative

      Personal effects transportation limit is 1 cubic meter and 250 kg. I hope your OCable gaming rig is pretty compact. (Yes, even a tower system with all accouterments would fit, but that would be pretty close to all you could take.)

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    2. Re:One plus about the cold: by maino82 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm pretty sure they don't have a distribution center there, though, so no tax! Bonus!

    3. Re:One plus about the cold: by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Funny

      What else do you need? Clothing? Simply put on what you'll wear. It's not like changing clothes is mandatory, is it?

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    4. Re:One plus about the cold: by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      Personal effects transportation limit is 1 cubic meter and 250 kg. I hope your OCable gaming rig is pretty compact. (Yes, even a tower system with all accouterments would fit, but that would be pretty close to all you could take.)

      1 cubic meter is pretty large, actually. It's 1000L of volume, and should be adequate for all but the largest cases (which will probably bust one of the dimensional limits. Of course, since it's mostly empty space, you could just bring the parts themselves and assemble it over there and use the space inside the case for other materials you'll need.

      The only real downside is that internet access isn't 24/7 there - you have to rely on satellites (and they aren't geosync), so your pings will be crappy. On the plus side, as network admin, you'll probably have full access to the internet... and won't be having to fight for access...

    5. Re:One plus about the cold: by Ogive17 · · Score: 1

      A cubic meter is much bigger than your average gaming rig. I think I could fit 10 of my computer towers inside and still have half the area open for clothing and other accessories.

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    6. Re:One plus about the cold: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I heard the temperature could get as low as -40 degrees down there. But I don't know if that is Celsius or Fahrenheit.

    7. Re:One plus about the cold: by pluther · · Score: 1

      Just make sure you order enough that you get free shipping.

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    8. Re:One plus about the cold: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I heard the temperature could get as low as -40 degrees down there. But I don't know if that is Celsius or Fahrenheit.

      First one, then the other.

    9. Re:One plus about the cold: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Personal effects transportation limit is 1 cubic meter and 250 kg. I hope your OCable gaming rig is pretty compact. (Yes, even a tower system with all accouterments would fit, but that would be pretty close to all you could take.)

      wait... what? A tower is going to fill a cube that is 1 meter on _each_ side?!?! I'm inclined to think you are metric impaired. A cubic meter is a bit more than a cubic yard. cubic meter = 35.3 ft^3 and 250kg is about 552 lbs.

      Maybe you 1980's gaming rig would fill up the cubic meter but today's 21st century gaming rig would leave plenty of space for other necessaries like grow medium & lights. ;)

    10. Re:One plus about the cold: by adisakp · · Score: 1

      Another plus about the low winter temps... you can literally claim you have the "Coolest Job in the World".

    11. Re:One plus about the cold: by RodyMcAmp · · Score: 1

      -40 Celsius = -40 Fahrenheit

    12. Re:One plus about the cold: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Woooosh

    13. Re:One plus about the cold: by Razalhague · · Score: 1

      Actually, that'd be both at the same time.

    14. Re:One plus about the cold: by idontgno · · Score: 2, Funny

      I have to respond to this.

      Did I say "tower" (by itself)? I said "rig". Unless you have direct HDMI or DVI access to your visual cortex, you'll need a monitor. If this is a decent gaming rig, it's not going to be small, even if it's thin (LCD), so that's several cc more.

      And your keyboard, mouse, and software CDs? (or did you crack the game, you insidious polar pirate?)

      No, it won't be a cubic meter. As long as you use no packing material. I'm sure the cargo ships carrying your less-than-cubic-meter of computing goodness will have a smooth, waveless, undisturbed trip. And all loading/offloading activities will be as gentle as a mother cradling her child.

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    15. Re:One plus about the cold: by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 1

      It's still not that bad, just last week it was pushing -40 ambient with a -70F wind chill where I and about 6,000 other people work. You can't really feel the difference after a certain point, you just get cold faster than usual. I really thought Antarctica would be more extreme.

      For a vivid example of how cold it gets, at about -40 wind wind any liquid sitting on top of, say, a styrofoam cup lid will begin freezing in seconds, and in 30-40 seconds the exposed liquid will be frozen. It's pretty neat.

      You can also take a full cup of boiling water, throw it into the air, and not a drop will touch the ground - it all evaporates in a big puff of steam.

      What you really want to be sure you have are blackout shades and a SAD lamp. In summer there is three months of sunlight, which makes going to sleep a bitch, and in the winter there is three months of darkness which can get depressing.

      Forget your gaming rig, bring an Xbox or something instead, chances are your internet will be satellite and totally suck monkey nuts for gaming.

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    16. Re:One plus about the cold: by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 1

      I dunno, record temps up here where I work are in the -100+ range (in the wind, -60's and -70's ambient), the area of Antarctica they are in doesn't sound all that cold. We were pushing -40 ambient last week and it hasn't even been that cold of a winter so far.

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    17. Re:One plus about the cold: by mjwx · · Score: 1

      And your keyboard, mouse, and software CDs?

      My gaming rig, would take up maybe a quarter of 1 Cubic metre, if it were a problem I'd just buy a mATX MB and get a lanbox. With my 22" monitor, KB, Mouse and Joystick I doubt I'd take up more then 1/3 of the space allotted. All my games can fit in 2x 96 CD case or be ripped to a 2 TB HDD (yes then I have to use cracks, which I do anyway because I hate switching CD's or logging on to the internet). I would copy all CD Keys to txt files so I don't need to bring manuals/cd cases.

      If you're going to Antarctica, you have to exercise a little forethought.

      My anticipated problems are, intermittent internet access but seeing as I'm not addicted to WoWcrack and can stop /. any time I want (no really I can) that's easily overcome and moving my guitar which is probably a bit over 1 metre in length, longer when in it's hard case but something tells me the Australian Government would make a small exception so long as I'm under the total volume/weight limits.

      No, it won't be a cubic meter. As long as you use no packing material.

      It wont be a cubic metre by a long shot even if you do use packing material. A cubic metre is 1000 x 1000 x 1000 mm, my PC case (coolermaster CM 690) is 213 x 482 x 525 mm. My 22" Samsung 2253 is 513.59 x 400.30 x 132.08 mm with the stand detached. A metre is above your waist if you are unfamiliar with metric measurements. I wouldn't be worried about the case, so long as it doesn't move in the crate but the monitor would be well bubble wrapped but even then you add less then 50 mm to each side. Also think outside the box with packing material, a T-shirt or towel is quite a good shock absorber. I could even bring my Samsung 40" TV (LA40B530P7R) which is 987.8 x 610.3 x 78.7 mm with stand detached (but that would be silly).

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    18. Re:One plus about the cold: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I should not be saying this but I've seen TOR nodes in the Antarctica .. WTFDAY indeed

  2. Extra job perk by garg0yle · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The ATMs there don't charge any fees!

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    1. Re:Extra job perk by xaxa · · Score: 2, Informative

      ATMs in the UK don't charge fees (at least, they don't charge people with UK bank accounts) and the climate is much, much better.

    2. Re:Extra job perk by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Funny

      the climate is much, much better.

      That's debatable. I prefer my water in solid form it's less... well, ya know, wet.

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    3. Re:Extra job perk by gmack · · Score: 2, Funny

      You don't have to shovel rain.

    4. Re:Extra job perk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't have to shovel snow, either. Walk through it or walk on it.

      Shoveling is for people in wheel chairs. You have legs - use them.

    5. Re:Extra job perk by pfleming · · Score: 1

      And for people that want to drive their car and not sink through 4 feet of snow - oh and the ones that don't want their roofs to fall in on them.

    6. Re:Extra job perk by eyrieowl · · Score: 1

      that's just an engineering/design failure. if they'd designed it right, they could have put a whole MOUNTAIN on top, never mind a trifling bit of snow...

    7. Re:Extra job perk by Razalhague · · Score: 1

      And for people that want to drive their car

      I somehow think that's not going to be a big concern at Antarctica.

      and not sink through 4 feet of snow

      That's what snowshoes are for. Or snowmobiles, it's your choice.

      oh and the ones that don't want their roofs to fall in on them.

      So I assume you haven't heard of this rather ingenious and very recent invention called "gable roof".

    8. Re:Extra job perk by john_chr · · Score: 1

      There are no ATMs at the Australian Antarctic stations.

    9. Re:Extra job perk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So I assume you haven't heard of this rather ingenious and very recent invention called "gable roof".
      Turns out that's not necessarily enough.

    10. Re:Extra job perk by pfleming · · Score: 1

      They tunneled into the mountain, they did not place it on top of the roof.

    11. Re:Extra job perk by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 1

      You people have absolutely no idea what snow is like in places that average -20+ temps and are extremely flat and lifeless.

      Snow is fluffy for maybe an hour, after that it has been tossed around by the wind and forms a hard-pack surface that is quite easy to walk on, and after a few days at the most is just fine for driving on.

      Go watch a nature video of Emperor Penguins huddling up together in the dead of winter, and when you get to the part where spring comes and the penguins start waddling around, look at just how deep the snow is. I'll go ahead and spoil it for you, it's an inch or two at best, the rest is hard-pack. Penguins don't exactly have snow shoes for feet and they waddle around just fine.

      The stuff fuses together when it's cold, and especially after it has been blown around into fine particles. It's like driving on concrete.

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    12. Re:Extra job perk by Cimexus · · Score: 1

      Yup. Not to mention the fact that Antarctica in particular is very dry. A desert in fact. They don't get a huge amount of snow in a given year (although the high winds mean that you can get fairly large drifts blowing up against solid objects).

      Most of the Australian bases are on the Antarctic coast however, which does mean they get a bit more snow than the interior. But that comes with the benefit of higher temperatures (-20 or -30 is pretty mild for Antartica ... the bases on the high interior plateau (3000, even 4000 metres above sea level) are truly godforsaken locations. Thin air, endless gales, zero scenery other than endless flat white in all directions and temperatures in the -60s to -80s C (ambient ... wind chills are in negative triple digit territory).

    13. Re:Extra job perk by moosesocks · · Score: 1

      ATMs in the UK don't charge fees (at least, they don't charge people with UK bank accounts) and the climate is much, much better.

      As long as your bank back home doesn't charge for international ATM use, most UK ATMs don't charge a fee anyway. Definitely the easiest/cheapest way to get money overseas.

      On the other hand, I'm not quite sure I agree with you about the weather....

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  3. From "The Big Bang Theory" by Yuioup · · Score: 4, Funny

    "We need to talk to you about something
    that happened at the North Pole."

    "If this is about the night
    the heat went out,
    there's nothing to be
    embarrassed about."

    - "It's not about that."
    - "We agreed to never speak of it again."

    "So we slept together naked."

    "It was only to keep our core body
    temperatures from plummeting."

    "He's speaking about it."

    "For me, it was a bonding moment."

    1. Re:From "The Big Bang Theory" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of my favorite episodes :)

  4. The Cold's Not So Bad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...just make sure you know what you're doing when a Husky runs into the base, followed by some guys shooting at it from a helicopter :D

    1. Re:The Cold's Not So Bad... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      Crazy Swedes..

    2. Re:The Cold's Not So Bad... by kdemetter · · Score: 1

      You shoot the helicopter ?

  5. Personal Insulation by Bicx · · Score: 3, Funny

    Morning jog? This is a job for a flabby individual with lots of personal insulation, and jogging is out of the question!

    1. Re:Personal Insulation by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      This is a job for a flabby individual with lots of personal insulation, and jogging is out of the question!

      That explains why they posted the job on /. ;)

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    2. Re:Personal Insulation by ae1294 · · Score: 1

      That explains why they posted the job on /. ;)

      Not really as everyone on slashie-dot are basement dwellers which can only survive at the static temperature of their subterranean habitat... Not to mention they would have to ask permission from their mommy and we all know what she would say...

    3. Re:Personal Insulation by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      "Don't forget to put on your mittens"?

      Seriously, is there any basement-dweller's mom that wouldn't help her son carry the luggage if he (finally!) decides to move out of there?

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    4. Re:Personal Insulation by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually from my extensive winter hiking experience staying warm when you are moving is easy, in fact not getting too hot is the problem. The problem with getting cold is only when you stop to camp. Breakfast time is the worst. You have to get out of that nice comfy sleeping bag at the coldest part of the day, put on your frozen outer clothes and fiddle with an ice cold stove with half frozen fingers or gloves on. Just keep moving and you'd be fine. :)

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    5. Re:Personal Insulation by g0bshiTe · · Score: 1

      what she would say...

      You'll shoot your eye out?

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    6. Re:Personal Insulation by rockNme2349 · · Score: 1

      This is a job for a flabby individual with lots of personal insulation

      I prefer stationary science platform.

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    7. Re:Personal Insulation by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The cold and wind in places like Antarctica are not quite the same as the cold and wind in any place you have been winter camping. I work at the northern equivalent, and it would take one hell of a sleeping bag to keep you warm out in the open over night. There is no good protection when the wind chill makes it -70+F out there (which is what it was here just last week).

      It's also a really, really bad idea to go out anywhere by yourself, especially on foot. When the wind picks up and you get white-out conditions (which can happen in minutes), you often can't see a building even if it's 50 feet in front of you.

      It's certainly doable, it's just a really really bad idea. Death at these temperatures can happen in minutes under the right cicumstances. Chances are you're going to have an accident at some point and then that's it, you'll be dead long before anybody finds you. It would be a much better idea to just use the indoor treadmill they almost certainly have.

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  6. Don't need to move to be cold by janek78 · · Score: 1

    I live in the middle of Europe and we had -30 C (-22 F) last night. Thank you, I'll pass. (Also, I'm not a network engineer.)

    1. Re:Don't need to move to be cold by smitty777 · · Score: 3, Informative

      So, just to put it in perspective, the average winter is between -112 to -130 F. The coldest naturally occurring temperature on the face of the earth was recorded there, which was actually colder than dry ice.

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    2. Re:Don't need to move to be cold by jbeaupre · · Score: 1

      I've always wondered how much CO2 could be pulled from the atmosphere in places like that. With or without added refrigeration. Completely impractical for global purposes, because where are you going to put billions of tons of dry ice? But still an interesting thought.

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    3. Re:Don't need to move to be cold by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh, you'd drop it on a forest somewhere. Mountains, something with lots and lots of trees and thus lots of oxygen. The displacement would result in more sugar production by the trees.

    4. Re:Don't need to move to be cold by vadim_t · · Score: 1

      That is kind of freaky.

      So what happens at that temperature? CO2 starts pooling as a liquid on the ground?

    5. Re:Don't need to move to be cold by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      because where are you going to put billions of tons of dry ice

      Just breed billions of tons of cows and the problem takes care of itself ;)

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    6. Re:Don't need to move to be cold by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      There is not enough atomospheric pressure for it to turn into a liquid. It would go straight into a solid if it were cold enough. It would probably look like regular snow, which would make it a bit difficult to spot.

    7. Re:Don't need to move to be cold by Zantac69 · · Score: 1

      No liquid CO2 unless you get > 5 ATM pressure - so no worries there :)

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    8. Re:Don't need to move to be cold by tom17 · · Score: 1

      No

      Tom...

    9. Re:Don't need to move to be cold by Bromskloss · · Score: 1

      So what happens at that temperature? CO2 starts pooling as a liquid on the ground?

      At atmospheric pressure, the transition from solid to gas, and vice versa, does not go via liquid. Have a look at the phase diagram of carbon dioxide. So, no pools on the ground.

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    10. Re:Don't need to move to be cold by cycler · · Score: 0

      Wrong.

      Not the average but the lowest recorded temperature was about -90C. The average in winter is between -40 and -50 C.
      Sources on google. /C

    11. Re:Don't need to move to be cold by ae1294 · · Score: 1

      There is not enough atomospheric pressure for it to turn into a liquid. It would go straight into a solid if it were cold enough. It would probably look like regular snow, which would make it a bit difficult to spot.

      It worked! Now.. if we can only keep it from exploding!

    12. Re:Don't need to move to be cold by ae1294 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Sources on google. /C

      This is /. you need to site sources using Wikipedia and only Wikipedia...

    13. Re:Don't need to move to be cold by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I live in Finland and it was disappointingly warm -27C last night (not to speak about last few winters which were pretty much non-existent). Where do I sign?

    14. Re:Don't need to move to be cold by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      [citation needed]

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    15. Re:Don't need to move to be cold by smitty777 · · Score: 1

      Did you really have to post that link so close to lunchtime, Shakrai? Now I'll never be able to get back to work.

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    16. Re:Don't need to move to be cold by ae1294 · · Score: 1
    17. Re:Don't need to move to be cold by richlv · · Score: 1

      that was my thought exactly - we had -31 a couple of days ago. probably somebody from... souther europe submitted this :)

      anyway, that seems awfully suspicious, so i suspect "average of -30" might mean that for some periods of time it actually drops way, way below that.

      of course, obligatory userfriendly reference (this and next comics) : http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20040827

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  7. Obligatory by cashman73 · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Milt, we're gonna need to go ahead and move you down into storage B. We have some new people coming in, and we need all the space we can get. So if you could just go ahead and pack up your stuff and move it down there, that would be terrific, OK?"

    1. Re:Obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where's my red stapler?

    2. Re:Obligatory by nitehawk214 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Where's my red stapler?

      I assume you would have some difficulty burning this building down.

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    3. Re:Obligatory by NotBornYesterday · · Score: 1

      Actually, fire is a significant danger in Antarctica. There is little liquid water to fight a fire with, and if fire destroys your shelter, you are screwed.

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    4. Re:Obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently fire is a major hazard in the Antarctic due to the arid conditions.

    5. Re:Obligatory by jezreel · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure they keep enough chemical fire-extinguishers around for that exact reason

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  8. Balmy by Samalie · · Score: 1

    -30C? Sounds downright balmy compared to Canada.

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  9. We sometimes get this weather in Montreal by hotdot · · Score: 1

    It should not be hard to get northern people to apply :)

  10. No monsters for me today! by cristiroma · · Score: 1

    And come home with the Thing? No thank you...

    1. Re:No monsters for me today! by grub · · Score: 3, Insightful


      And come home with the Thing? No thank you...

      You wouldn't come home with it. It'd come home looking and acting just like you.

      .

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  11. Raytheon by rindeee · · Score: 4, Interesting

    For anyone who's interested, Raytheon Polar Services is almost always hiring for positions at the US South Pole research facilities.

    1. Re:Raytheon by VShael · · Score: 1

      Raytheon Polar Services is almost always hiring for positions at the US South Pole research facilities.

      Yeah. Lots of testers for their pain boxes, wasn't it? :)

    2. Re:Raytheon by idontgno · · Score: 3, Funny

      Bad testing environment for that. A few minutes exposure to Winter ambient conditions and you'll welcome the warming glow of the Active Denial System (AKA open-air microwave oven).

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    3. Re:Raytheon by Nadaka · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Funny but true. My father was "tech support" for the Airforce in the 70s and 80s at Malmstrom AFB in Montana. He serviced remote nuclear silo's and early warning radar. It was cold enough that there was a chance you would die on the drive out if you had to service some of the equipment at night, and thats if you didn't get stuck in a 30ft snow drift. And yes, he did step in front of the radar to warm himself up.

    4. Re:Raytheon by TheLink · · Score: 1

      > And yes, he did step in front of the radar to warm himself up.

      Did he say what it felt like?

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    5. Re:Raytheon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      For anyone who's interested, Raytheon Polar Services is almost always hiring for positions at the US South Pole research facilities.

      It's interesting to note that the Navy (NMCI) blocks web traffic to http://www.rayjobs.com/ but not to http://www.monster.com/ or http://www.dice.com./

    6. Re:Raytheon by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

      I applied to them for a 1 year posting at McMurdo once. I didn't have the electronics skills though. You have to be a bit of a jack-of-all-trades to work down there due to the lack of outside support, especially in the winter.

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    7. Re:Raytheon by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 1

      I think it'd be pretty cool to be able to walk around the polar base doing work outside, in t-shirt and jeans while being warmed from a microwave device. That's called progress =)

    8. Re:Raytheon by tibman · · Score: 1

      Something similar. Best place to find a US Army Scout in the winter is standing behind an Abrams tank. The Abrams has a turbine engine with a hot jet type blast of exhaust coming out the back of the tank. I've done it a few times but always wondered how dangerous the air really was.

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    9. Re:Raytheon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I think it'd be pretty cool to be able to walk around the polar base doing work outside, in t-shirt and jeans while being warmed from a microwave device. That's called progress =)

      If it's cool that just means you aren't doing it right. =]

    10. Re:Raytheon by NeoSkandranon · · Score: 1

      I hope he had gotten finished with the process of bringing you into the world before he irradiated himself :P

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    11. Re:Raytheon by MarkRose · · Score: 1

      As far as I know, it only gets down in the -40's in Montana. It's not that hard to stay warm in -40, really. I've worked in it. But I guess it could be colder up on mountain tops?

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    12. Re:Raytheon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yes, he did step in front of the radar to warm himself up.

      Yikes, did he shield his genitals? Follow-up question: did he have any kids that weren't born retarded?

    13. Re:Raytheon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yes, he did step in front of the radar to warm himself up.

      Now, was that before or after you were born?

    14. Re:Raytheon by Enleth · · Score: 1

      The question is, do they have an audible reverse gear warning like european trucks?

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      This is Slashdot. Common sense is futile. You will be modded down.
    15. Re:Raytheon by Nadaka · · Score: 1

      -40 in actual temperature. Add the relatively common 40 to 60mph wind and the wind chill can get down to the -70s out in the open.

    16. Re:Raytheon by Nadaka · · Score: 1

      Anecdotal evidence suggests that the later children were at the very least less retarded than the previous. Perhaps the accumulated mutagen effects of the radiation were beneficial?

      Oldest, born before -> unemployed trucker who is still with a witch of a woman who he had previously divorced for very good reasons.

      2nd oldest -> unsuccessful artist and aspiring wal-mart department manager married to a prick who refuses to hold a job and has intentionally isolated her from her family.

      2nd youngest -> BS in CS and working successfully, engaged to a cute but crazy woman. Hint, this is me.

      youngest -> BS in mechanical engineering/drafting/architecture, living with parents, can't find more than part time work in her field (but then the building economy blew the fuck up), and she is single.

    17. Re:Raytheon by tibman · · Score: 1

      Since you mentioned it, Tankers have nicknamed Scouts... "speed bumps".

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    18. Re:Raytheon by dow · · Score: 1

      Is she on /.?

    19. Re:Raytheon by Nadaka · · Score: 2, Funny

      no.

    20. Re:Raytheon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      2nd youngest -> BS in CS and working successfully, engaged to a cute but crazy woman. Hint, this is me.

      So...you're the cute, crazy woman? You sound hot. Hot like radar warmed flesh.

    21. Re:Raytheon by bdobbs · · Score: 1

      I was a systems admin down there for a season. RPSC (Raytheon Polar Services Co.) is the current contractor for USAP (United States Antarctic Program) support services, though that may change this year. They're always hiring IT folks for the station and the ships that do research down there, though the main push is during late-spring and late-fall to get people for the next season. There's also a poorly-publicized job fair at RPSC headquarters in Centennial, CO every spring.

        You can see what's available at http://rayjobs.com./ Just select "Antarctica-Polar Services" in the "Featured Location(s)" box; leave everything else blank. Most jobs will come up with a location in Centennial, however if they ask for a primary and alternate, the job is actually on station.

      Good luck. It's a lot of fun and craziness.

  12. Seen the movie? by AltImage · · Score: 1

    Have you seen the movie Whiteout ? While I like the idea of Kate Beckinsale being trapped there with me, the killing is a real turn off. Oh, and the snow. Just fuck that.

    1. Re:Seen the movie? by grub · · Score: 1


      While I like the idea of Kate Beckinsale being trapped there with me

      You say that now. Wait until Kurt Russell, Keith David and T.K. Carter burst into your room and, at gunpoint, orders you and Kate tied to chairs while they draw blood for a test...

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    2. Re:Seen the movie? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      I like the idea of Kate Beckinsale being trapped there with me

      She hates the idea.

      Just thought you should know.

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    3. Re:Seen the movie? by smooth+wombat · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The idea of being trapped with Kate Beckinsale, for any length of time, while highly appealing, is immediately dashed when one realizes she smokes.

      Yeah, yeah, blah, blah, smokers. Sorry, if I'm going to have any sense of enjoyment being in close proximity to someone like Kate, I don't want them or me to be horfing up a lung or smelling like shit all the time.

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    4. Re:Seen the movie? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But wasn't it Lois Griffin (in the pre-shitty writer days) that said:
      "If she smokes she pokes"?
      That has to be worth something amirite?

    5. Re:Seen the movie? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      The idea of being trapped with Kate Beckinsale, for any length of time, while highly appealing, is immediately dashed when one realizes she smokes.

      Well she can't smoke if her mouth's full, can she? Eh? Eh? Geddit?

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    6. Re:Seen the movie? by The+Archon+V2.0 · · Score: 1

      While I like the idea of Kate Beckinsale being trapped there with me You say that now. Wait until Kurt Russell, Keith David and T.K. Carter burst into your room and, at gunpoint, orders you and Kate tied to chairs while they draw blood for a test...

      I don't know what you're talking about. I'm liking it even more now.

    7. Re:Seen the movie? by Ogive17 · · Score: 1

      I doubt you'd be stuck there with a large supply of cigarettes. I think I'd be willing to put up with her smoking a pack or two over a long period of time....

      And I detest smoke.

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    8. Re:Seen the movie? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Being a chimney hasn't stopped the Natalie Portman meme here

    9. Re:Seen the movie? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know what you're talking about. I'm liking it even more now.

      You'll like it alot less if you discover that one of you is The Thing.

      Entertaining movie, but no Kate Beckinsale in that one...

    10. Re:Seen the movie? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So it goes something like this:

      1) Get trapped in Antarctica with Kate Beckinsale
      2) Keep your distance until a) the cigs run out and b) withdrawl has stopped
      3) ???
      4) Profit!

    11. Re:Seen the movie? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot:
      5) Menstruation
      6) She runs off with a pengiun and your profit
      7) loss.

    12. Re:Seen the movie? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone has bad habits. Apparently one of yours is a marked intolerance of other's choices. I'm sure Kate wouldn't want to be trapped with you either.

    13. Re:Seen the movie? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      But...but...getting head from a smoker is like putting your cock in an ash tray!

    14. Re:Seen the movie? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      That's because the hot grits neutralize the smoke.

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    15. Re:Seen the movie? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She'll eventually run out of cigarettes and then you'll get to handle her oral fixation...

    16. Re:Seen the movie? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $20 that you get over it as she unzips your pants.

    17. Re:Seen the movie? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, yeah, blah, blah, smokers

      Yea yea so why don't you lose some weight fat ass. So my smoking offends you well your fatness offends me. So pull the frickin twinkie out of your mouth.

    18. Re:Seen the movie? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Hey! Lots of Slashdotter's girlfriends ARE ashtrays, you insensitive clod!

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  13. thats one by ionix5891 · · Score: 5, Funny

    cool job

    1. Re:thats one by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      I've heard that all jobs in Antarctica are pretty cool, save for the lack of hot female colleagues.

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  14. -30C? That's hot! by Cyberax · · Score: 4, Interesting

    /me looks at the thermometer outside my window. It shows -49C (I'm in Yakutsk).

    Hm. I think, it might be a good idea to move somewhere where it's a bit warmer.

    PS: and no, it's not a good idea to put a computer outside at this weather. HDDs freeze to death quickly.

    1. Re:-30C? That's hot! by Zedrick · · Score: 1

      Too bad there's no "+1 Cool" option for mods, that would really work here.

    2. Re:-30C? That's hot! by hitmark · · Score: 2, Interesting

      SSD ftw?

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    3. Re:-30C? That's hot! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Exactly what I was thinking. Although you got it much worse than I do (I am in Estonia and over the weekend it was -30C in the city) this isn't that bad. You just walk from bar to bar a bit quicker and try not to fall on the ice when walking and your fine. Its just cold, put on a sweater and some grandmother-made wool socks and you will survive. It was cold a few years ago when it was -45C but all that happened was they closed the elementary schools. Oh and large amounts of vodka helps.

    4. Re:-30C? That's hot! by NevarMore · · Score: 1

      What are you doing in Yakutsk? Live there? Work crew?

      Got any pics of the area?

    5. Re:-30C? That's hot! by onyxruby · · Score: 1

      This makes me feel better. It's nice being reminded there are places where people live that are much colder than where I live (Minnesota -15C) (MN has the record for cold temperature in the continental US and it can at times be colder here than Alaska's Arctic shore)

    6. Re:-30C? That's hot! by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 5, Funny

      What are you doing in Yakutsk?

      Getting ready to attack Kamchatka... [rolls dice]

    7. Re:-30C? That's hot! by ErikZ · · Score: 1

      Switch to SSDs.

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    8. Re:-30C? That's hot! by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 3, Funny

      It was cold a few years ago when it was -45C but all that happened was they closed the elementary schools.

      We had a similar situation in the UK recently. We had 5cm of snow and the whole country shut down for two days.

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    9. Re:-30C? That's hot! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      SSD ftw?

      For the Winter?

    10. Re:-30C? That's hot! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wouldn't "-1, Cool" make more sense in this case though?

      -mobby_6kl

    11. Re:-30C? That's hot! by xaxa · · Score: 1

      Switch to SSDs.

      Good luck with that. Scientific data sets tend to be quite large...

    12. Re:-30C? That's hot! by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      I'm doing a short (I hope) IT consulting job :)

      I have some pictures, but they are nothing unusual - just a northern city, I haven't yet have time to go outside skiing.

    13. Re:-30C? That's hot! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Privet! What kind of Internet access do you have there (dialup, ADSL, cable, satellite...)? How's the speed and reliability?

      I'm not trolling, I'm really interested in this. Spasibo i vsego horoshego! :)

    14. Re:-30C? That's hot! by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      I'm on a corporate net now, speed is decent (about 1Mbit). Yakutsk has a fiber connection to a trans-Siberian backbone network, so quality is pretty good.

      Though Internet is certainly not cheap here.

    15. Re:-30C? That's hot! by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      Oh and large amounts of vodka helps.

      That's what I like about your nice sensible winters. Living here, where we don't really get a winter, people complain when they have to put on a long-sleeved shirt. When it gets really damn hot, it's damn hard to cool down. Whereas if it's really damn cold all you have to do is put on a pair of socks and another sweater. Oh, and drink lots of vodka. Or in my case, preferably single malt whisky...

    16. Re:-30C? That's hot! by tehcyder · · Score: 3, Funny

      We had a similar situation in the UK recently. We had 5cm of snow and the whole country shut down for two days.

      To be fair, it was more like 10 cm, in some places...

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    17. Re:-30C? That's hot! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just got back from a month at one of the field camps near McMurdo. It was consistently around -20C where I was and one of our biggest technical problems was a flaky internet connection, reportedly due to overheating network gear back at McMurdo. A few degrees cooler would have been just fine with me.

    18. Re:-30C? That's hot! by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      PS: and no, it's not a good idea to put a computer outside at this weather. HDDs freeze to death quickly.

      At least, you have a cheap cold end for the water cooling heat exchanger. :-)

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    19. Re:-30C? That's hot! by DarthVain · · Score: 1

      I love the only reason I know wtf "Yakutsk" is from RISK. :)

    20. Re:-30C? That's hot! by Abstrackt · · Score: 3, Funny

      SSD ftw?

      For the Winter?

      I just finished winterizing my SSD and let me tell you, it's surprisingly difficult to wrap chains around a hard drive and still have it fit in your case.

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    21. Re:-30C? That's hot! by Reservoir+Penguin · · Score: 1

      Well, it's been below -30 almost daily here in Novosibirsk and there is always a smart ass who brings -50 in Yakutsk. but I am not in $&@ Yakutsk, I want our old weather back!

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    22. Re:-30C? That's hot! by number11 · · Score: 1

      MN has the record for cold temperature in the continental US and it can at times be colder here than Alaska's Arctic shore

      Are you using a wikipedia map? Or did they sell Alaska back to the Russians to lower the budget deficit? I'm pretty sure both MN and AK are on the North American continent.

    23. Re:-30C? That's hot! by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      Northern US here: It took 50 cm to shut down the city where I live for a day. And people felt that it was ridiculous, and called for an investigation into the highway department. Most people felt that the plows should have been able to keep up with the snowfall, and keep everything open. 5 cm of snow is barely reason to break the plows out!
       
      It's mind-boggling to me how many issues snow and ice can cause in areas not used to it. I grew up sliding backwards down hills in cars because they were too slippery to drive up. We'd just park at the bottom, and walk up. The extremes of what's drivable through in different regions is really amazing to me.

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    24. Re:-30C? That's hot! by onyxruby · · Score: 1

      Using Wikipedia, pfft! I am well aware that Alaska is within North America. The continental US is a term typically used to define the 48 contiguous lower states (even though it would be technically inaccurate the term is still popularly used). I am not including Alaska in my statement.

    25. Re:-30C? That's hot! by tinkerghost · · Score: 1

      5cm of snow would shut down most of the southern US for days. I've seen them close schools for 1/4". My mother lives in North Carolina and with 2" of snow, her neighbor couldn't get out of the driveway with her 4 Wheel drive SUV. Worse the driveway slopes to the road.

    26. Re:-30C? That's hot! by TempeTerra · · Score: 1

      Did the London Underground get shut down by snow this year, or was that only last year?

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    27. Re:-30C? That's hot! by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      Oh, I know. My cousins live in Delaware. Same goes even there, as mid-US as it is. We were there once when they got all of 1/4" of snow, and pretty much had the roads to ourselves, as all the other cars were in the ditch. It was truly amazing. The best part was that we were cruising around in a Plymouth Acclaim, without snows on it, while all the 4WD vehicles were stuck on flat surfaces.

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    28. Re:-30C? That's hot! by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      There have been court cases about it, and everyone that used "continental US" to mean the lower 48 used it wrong. All promotions and ads now say contiguous states, or "may not be valid in all states" or "not in HI and AK" or such.

    29. Re:-30C? That's hot! by idontgno · · Score: 1

      Well, it's a moderately current US Military usage. "CONUS". Means Lower 48.

      Yes, Alaska and Hawaii are "overseas". Back in the day, it counted as an overseas tour for the purposes of "We need someone who is assigned stateside right now for a 2-year unaccompanied tour within spitting distance of the Korean DMZ."

      ObDisclaimer: I've been out of the service the better part of a decade, so the U.S. Air Force military personnel system may have entered the 21st Century in the meanwhile.

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    30. Re:-30C? That's hot! by Chernobog · · Score: 1

      Here in Genoa (Italy) the city council was told that it was possible it would snow and the city was shut down for 2 days. The actual snow has been about 1-2 mm. And no, the city council didn't resign.

    31. Re:-30C? That's hot! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cool! I mean, cold! How much does a 1 Mbit corporate link cost there these days?

      Is there a high demand for programmers in that region? What kind of software is popular there, BSD based FOSS?

      I guess it would be interesting to work there for a month or so. :)

    32. Re:-30C? That's hot! by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      They don't have to worry. If someone in the service complained it wasn't continental US, they'd just dock them the pay difference and make them have a "real" overseas assignment. The issue was when someone was "promised" something was available for those on the continent, and those on the continent but not contiguous demanded what they were promised through false advertising.

    33. Re:-30C? That's hot! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uruy Aihal ebile!

    34. Re:-30C? That's hot! by negge · · Score: 1

      That doesn't prove anything other than that people in North Carolina can't drive for shit. I'm always truly amazed when I see videos of U.S cars sliding down in ditches even after the slightest snowfall.

      One can drive any car with summer tires even if the whole road is covered with snow. In Hanko, Finland (the southern-most city in the whole country), harbor workers drive brand new cars a few miles from the dock to a big parking lot all year round with summer tires, and there are very rarely any accidents. It's all just a matter of knowing how to drive given the circumstances.

  15. Demand for the position is high by VShael · · Score: 1

    Even if we weren't all in a recession right now, demand for positions in Antarctica is always surprisingly high.

    1. Re:Demand for the position is high by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      I'd imagine there'd have to be a female on the team. I mean, you know. Isolation is like... sex really, REALLY helps.

    2. Re:Demand for the position is high by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isolation is like... sex really, REALLY helps

      Download porn, like the rest of us!

  16. HR is pissed now by NevarMore · · Score: 4, Funny

    I was going to scold Slashdot for posting a job ad on the front page. Imagine all the crap resumes that'll wind up in the HR inbox now.

    Then I realized I despise HR, especially those in the hiring/recruiting section.

    I'm imagining some choice resume snippets from this crowd -
      - I live in my moms basement and never leave, so I won't go stir crazy
      - I've seen that John Carpenter movie about monsters in Antarctica like 9 times
      - I could totally do a rad experiment where I overclock an old PDP-11 processor to 9ghz since its so cold
      - UHF? VHF? Fah! I can replace that with a hacked WRT router running linux for like $5
      - Penguin/Linux jokes galore

    1. Re:HR is pissed now by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 1

      Well thanks for precluding all possible conversations on the topic, Mr. Killjoy.

    2. Re:HR is pissed now by ae1294 · · Score: 1

      Can we vote him off slashdot?

  17. Cooling is actually problematic there. by the_other_chewey · · Score: 5, Informative

    I read a very intersting article about IT at the south pole a while ago. One of the most surprising facts:
    They need extra large fans to cool their servers. The Amundsen-Scott station is alomst 3000m above sea level,
    which means rather thin air - so they need a higher throughput to achieve the same cooling capacity than a
    data center at more usal elevations.

    The cold outside temperature means no real need for AC, but doesn't help too much in terms of cooling power:
    The difference between 295K and 250K isn't that big and outweighed by the lower air density.

  18. Am I crazy or... by DigitalSorceress · · Score: 1

    Am I crazy or does that sound like the job of a lifetime?

    Makes me wish I were an Aussie.

    Given the exchange rate I'm thinking it would be a slight pay-cut, but I'd go in a heartbeat for the chance to do something ((presonally)) meaningful.

    One question? Is there a really good supply of STRONG coffee and/or coca-cola available?

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    1. Re:Am I crazy or... by Trent+Hawkins · · Score: 1

      Cold drinks are hard to keep because they keep freezing. Coffee is plentiful and I hear Vodka will keep under warm blankets.

    2. Re:Am I crazy or... by Krneki · · Score: 1

      One question? Is there a really good supply of STRONG coffee and/or coca-cola available?

      You need something to deprive your body from water and sleep? How long do you plan to live anyway?

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    3. Re:Am I crazy or... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      According to my doc, my body already passed both, its warranty period and the MTBF by decades...

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    4. Re:Am I crazy or... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Am I crazy or does that sound like the job of a lifetime?

      The former, my friend, the former.

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    5. Re:Am I crazy or... by denzacar · · Score: 1

      Am I crazy or does that sound like the job of a lifetime?

      I believe that the word you are looking for is "adventurous".

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    6. Re:Am I crazy or... by camperdave · · Score: 1

      Well, they said just a few days. But then this is a polar region. The days and nights last for months.

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    7. Re:Am I crazy or... by DigitalSorceress · · Score: 1

      If I lived in Logan's Run world, I'd be dead ten years already, so I look at this as just bonus time.

      Coffee, Coca-Cola and video games are my only bad habits, so I figure I'm actually a bit ahead of a lot of folks out there.

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    8. Re:Am I crazy or... by raddan · · Score: 1

      I have an acquaintance (good friend of my brother) who did a 6-month stint there as a firefighter. He said the main thing was dealing with the boredom.

      You might laugh thinking about firefighters in a place like Antarctica, but this is one of those places that, when you need emergency services, you really NEED them. IIRC, there's actually a water sprinkler system there; a bit of a feat of engineering.

    9. Re:Am I crazy or... by Hatta · · Score: 1

      MTBF is calculated by taking a pool of equipment, running it for a short time, and finding out how many fail. You then assume that the failure rate is constant, and extrapolate that.

      So lets apply this to humans. Infant mortality in the US is something like 50 deaths out of 1000 in the first year. That gives you a 5% chance of dying per year. It's easier to use this as a 95% chance of survival. Using the multiplication rule, the chances of survival dip below 50% after 14 years.

      So yeah, it's pretty easy to exceed your MTBF by decades. And yeah, I'm pretty bored at work today.

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    10. Re:Am I crazy or... by Rene+S.+Hollan · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I'd love to take a one year sabbatical from my current job and do this: as long as I get my living expenses covered, enough so I can continue to support my kids here, keep my stuff in storage, and enough to put a nice downpayment on a house when I return, I'd so go. I war away from them would be rough, but being able to own a home again for them would make up for it (ex got half of everything in the divorce, and what I had left was spent on legal fees preventing her from getting the other half -- I have the financial position of someone half my age: income, but little savings).

      I grew up in Montreal, Canada. It can get to -30C and rarely -40C in the winter (not quite -90C, but you get the idea). Granted, we didn't have six months of darkness. More importantly, I started in radio, radio networking, and data networking in general: Dad was an RF engineer working on aerospace telecom stuff. I've learned to move with all my essentials in the back of a car (a cubic meter is HUGE).

      I could so do this and it would kick ass on a resume: I like people, but have no extended family, and don't accumulate "fair weather" friends, so it's not like I'd miss anyone (other than my kids), or things like holidays: I don't 'do' Christmas, Thanksgiving, or my own birthday, for that matter. Not a complete 'loner' but work-related acquaintances would satisfy what little desire for socialization I have.

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  19. Mehhh.... by escape77 · · Score: 1

    Sounds like a job for the good old Canadian boys. -30oC is common where I live.

  20. Penguins by Vyse+of+Arcadia · · Score: 1

    I'm just waiting for the inevitable penguin/Linux jokes.

  21. brings a whole new meaning.... by foolserrend1975 · · Score: 5, Funny

    .....to "Hiring Freeze"

    1. Re:brings a whole new meaning.... by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      We're hiring Viktor Freeze for this position actually.

  22. Alternatively... by Lookin4Trouble · · Score: 1

    If you can handle working for a US-based company, you can make the same amount on a 6-month engagement with Raytheon Polar division. Bonus for the US-ians out there, the pay is tax-free since you're in international space for 20 weeks and you spend 3 weeks on each side of that in Sunny New Zealand. Good luck to the Aussie gov't filling this position, though!

    1. Re:Alternatively... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      for the US-ians out there, the pay is tax-free since you're in international space

      Wrong. In principle, kinda-sorta... In practice, no. The IRS no longer recognizes Antarctica as a foreign country for tax purposes, and this has been upheld in litigation.

      http://www.boston.com/business/globe/articles/2007/10/31/tax_ruling_leaves_150_raytheon_workers_out_in_cold/

      http://www.bigdeadplace.com/taxes.html

      Speaking from the slightly different experience of ~2 years on an RPSC-run ship around Antarctica, the experience is definitely worth it if you have the right constitution for the lifestyle and can handle the people/lack thereof. NZ is awesome!

    2. Re:Alternatively... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please don't propagate fallacies.

      I was on the Ice for a year, and was released recently. There is no tax exempt status. You are in a US protectorate space, therefore your normal state and Federal tax structure applies.

      You're lucky to spend a few days in Christchurch on the way down. But, even so, it is WORK, and you are told when to be at the departure facility, must report, prepare to board planes, etc, even if you aren't going that day. it's not joy.

      By the time you get the joy of being in Christchurch without the job, you're so "toasty" and burnt out on everything, you're a marginal basket case for the next month. You need to recovery and decompression time, but it is all on your (hopefully) saved ice money. The company is done with you, and only offers a return ticket the the US. "You're free to go, mate, now make room for the Fingees (FNGs)."

      It was a very interesting gig, I got everything out of it that I expected, and then some (I got laid because of it, quite recently, for example). ;-D

      But one really needs to do their due diligence research. The tax-free falsehood doesn't help.

      if you want tax-free, you can get your carcass to Afghanistan and other Middle Eastern military-destination resorts.

    3. Re:Alternatively... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sorry, you meant American.
      Calling someone a US-ian is like calling a person from China a PR-ian. (People's Republic)
      Since U.S. stands for United States.
      kthxbai

  23. Read "Big Dead Place" before going by Required+Snark · · Score: 5, Informative
    Check out the blog http://www.bigdeadplace.com/ before you go. The book of the same name is also a must read.

    It's not just that being on the ice leads to crazy behavior, it's that the management is back in the US and they treat the workers like dirt. While they have picnics back in Kansas City. The NSF, which pays for it all, is equally brain dead. Here are some some "uncomfortable questions" from the blog.

    The Supreme Court has ruled that Antarctica is "a foreign country". The IRS has emphasized recently that Antarctica is "not a foreign country". Does NSF consider Antarctica to be "a foreign country" or "not a foreign country"? Do American citizens legally have Constitutional rights in Antarctica? Does NSF voluntarily support the Constitutional rights of American citizens in Antarctica? What legal model is used by NSF to determine the rights of American citizens in Antarctica? Since NSF manages all facilities at the stations, which areas or facilities are considered "public" areas (guaranteed Constitutional protection)? If there are no "public" areas, then what policies does NSF have to ensure protection of "free speech" and "free press"? What policies does NSF have to keep its contractors from undermining these protections, if any? If there are no civil protections granted to Americans in Antarctica, are employees explicitly told this by NSF and its contractors?

    Having pointed this all out, it also sounds like fun in a weird way, if you enjoy hanging with funny disfunctional drunks in a potentially lethal environment.

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    1. Re:Read "Big Dead Place" before going by pjt33 · · Score: 1

      Why is the management of the Australian Government's Antarctic Division in the US?

    2. Re:Read "Big Dead Place" before going by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      if you enjoy hanging with funny disfunctional drunks in a potentially lethal environment.

      That’s more true for Alabama, some parts on New York / LA / Moscow / etc, than it is for Antarctica. ^^

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    3. Re:Read "Big Dead Place" before going by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 1

      Having pointed this all out, it also sounds like fun in a weird way, if you enjoy hanging with funny disfunctional drunks in a potentially lethal environment.

      Sounds like having Thanksgiving with the family everyday! =D

    4. Re:Read "Big Dead Place" before going by john_chr · · Score: 1

      Well the Australian stations are run by the Aussie Federal Government directly - the jobs aren't outsourced to some third party. Check out their web site at http://www.aad.gov.au/ to find out what they get up to.

    5. Re:Read "Big Dead Place" before going by Jacques+Chester · · Score: 1

      Nitpick: this is for the Australian Antarctic Division. The AAD is run from Hobart, Australia's southern-most capital. Funding has increased in recent years, including new ships and equipment.

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  24. Must be Austrailian or New Zealand Resident by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Unfortunately, according to the General Information PDF linked above, you must be a resident to qualify.


    Only Australian citizens, Australian residents with proof of eligibilty to work in Australia and
    New Zealand residents are eligble to apply.

  25. Jogging? by Thinine · · Score: 1

    Like an sysadmins go jogging.

  26. Be sure to take your... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/plush/bb2e/

  27. Uhm, the morning what? by warehousenorth · · Score: 1

    So, what is this "jog" thing you spoke of?

    1. Re:Uhm, the morning what? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Prolly means the jog dial on some devices and how it might not work in a frozen environment. Personally I could see this as a problem, I sure got used to the scroll wheel on my mouse.

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  28. The Big Dead Place by kriston · · Score: 1

    Have a look at http://www.bigdeadplace.com/ for an afternoon's worth of good reading.

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  29. I actually know someone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I used to know a guy who was a network engineer in Antarctica about 15 years ago. He did two tours at McMurdo and was the longest distance tech support call I ever handled. (I worked at an ISP at the time and he was friends with the owner)

    He was asking if the internet was down while connecting via a 56K satellite connection. (It actually was due to a MAE West issue)

    The money was good if you didn't mind the chance of death by freezing, or the need to seek solace in the wings of a penguin. ;)

  30. finally your chance to join the 300 club by Luyseyal · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is your chance to join the 300 club!

    -l

    /act now!

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    1. Re:finally your chance to join the 300 club by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      Bah. Be the first to Goatse the geographic pole. Then you are... uuum... special!

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  31. What if this was Mars? by odin84gk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Does anyone really want to go to Antarctica? It is a cold, harsh environment that will isolate you from your family, friends, and civilized comforts. It had its novelty factor back in the day, just like Mars does now.

    How is Mars / The moon more exciting/pleasant than Antarctica? Can we really expect people to want to populate the Moon or Mars without a large financial/spiritual/political motivation? Sure, there is the novelty factor of "OMG I'm on the moon!!!" but that can only last for a few years.

    1. Re:What if this was Mars? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does anyone really want to go to Antarctica?

      Yes. They have hundreds of applications for every job. Some people try for a decade before being able to go. I know people who love it there. Personally, the thrill fails me in a few weeks, but other people love it forever and spend as much time there as possible.

    2. Re:What if this was Mars? by ztransform · · Score: 2, Informative

      Does anyone really want to go to Antarctica? It is a cold, harsh environment that will isolate you from your family, friends, and civilized comforts.

      You're asking the wrong crowd. A number of slashdotters would be quite happy in isolation from family, friends, bars, pubs, or any social interaction.

    3. Re:What if this was Mars? by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      that will isolate you from your family, friends, and civilized comforts.

      I don’t have these things, you insensitive clod!

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    4. Re:What if this was Mars? by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 1

      Sure, there is the novelty factor of "OMG I'm on the moon!!!" but that can only last for a few years.

      That's why whalers do so well there, they thrive in isolated situations without any form of comfort.

    5. Re:What if this was Mars? by Hatta · · Score: 1

      How is Mars / The moon more exciting/pleasant than Antarctica? Can we really expect people to want to populate the Moon or Mars without a large financial/spiritual/political motivation?

      You're right, Mars ain't the kind of place to raise a kid. In fact, it's cold as hell. And there's no one there to raise them if you did.

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    6. Re:What if this was Mars? by richlv · · Score: 1

      i don't know. it still has the coolness factor.
      if my skills would match (which i don't know), if i was eligible (which i am not), i actually... would consider this. maybe for a short period, but it might be an interesting experience, whether mostly good or mostly bad.

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  32. morning jog?!?! by nimbius · · Score: 1

    what morning jog?! im in IT you insensitive clod!

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    1. Re:morning jog?!?! by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I think they mean the problem of getting from your bed to your computer when you forgot to close the window the night before (as I happened to do today). It costs QUITE a bit of effort to leave the cozy-toasty bed to drag your corpse to that chair, I tell you!

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  33. One Big Catch by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 2, Informative

    Before anyone from the US gets too excited about going out on an exotic job:

    Only Australian citizens, Australian residents with proof of eligibilty to work in Australia and New Zealand residents are eligble to apply.

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  34. Why you want this job by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1
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  35. Thank you, Canada. by Snarkalicious · · Score: 1

    Dear Canuckistani /.ers, Your anecdotal evidence has convinced me that Antarcitca is clearly a place for jam-shorts, cocoa butter and daquiris. Thanks for the vacation idea. Much Love, Snarkalicious

  36. Cold is good by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

    Never mind pluses against the cold. If you had spent the summer thus far in Perth (W. Australia, that is), a sojourn in the Antarctic might sound pleasant. To date, it's been the hottest summer ever recorded, and we've been 68 days without rain. Though official meteorological stats differ from local indications: on occasion I have seen the mercury go as far as 49 degrees (C) in the shade, where the official maximum for that day was a mere balmy 45.

    I should be used to it; I arrived here in 1987, and quickly got used to temperatures in the 40s, but it has been getting muggier since, and that's not as easy to take at the same time as the heat.

  37. Did They Mention? by Comatose51 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They did also mention that the base get 16,500 condoms a year. It gets cold and lonely there in Antarctica with nothing else to do except for each other.

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    1. Re:Did They Mention? by Hatta · · Score: 3, Informative

      125 people, that's 62.5 couples. With 16,500 condoms, that's 264 condoms per couple per year. 264/365*7~= 3x per week. That's about right, maybe a little on the low side. Certainly not indicative of any captivity induced orgies.

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    2. Re:Did They Mention? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
      16,500 condoms, and 125 people. Even if that's a 50-50 gender split, that's 62.5 couples. That means the average couple has sex 264 times a year. Or more than 5 times a week. Talk about perks.

      On the flip side, I bet there will end up being 62 couples, with the network engineer accounting for the remaining 0.5 "couple".

    3. Re:Did They Mention? by twosat · · Score: 2

      Ha, maybe it will be a chance for a Slashdotter to get a girlfriend and to get lucky!!. Doing a Google search on Antarctica and "ice wives" brings up this site as well as a few others ;-). bigdeadplace.com/frontierwatch/?p=123

    4. Re:Did They Mention? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      125 people, that's 62.5 couples. With 16,500 condoms, that's 264 condoms per couple per year. 264/365*7~= 3x per week. That's about right, maybe a little on the low side. Certainly not indicative of any captivity induced orgies.

      264/365 ~= 0.723, so 264/365 * 7 ~= 5.06

      Still not indicative of anything in particular.

  38. a goons view on life in antartica by steak · · Score: 1
    1. Re:a goons view on life in antartica by NeoSkandranon · · Score: 1

      Kept up with that tthread when it was posted. Great reading.

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  39. No recreation leave in Antarctica by ratm999 · · Score: 1

    My favorite part: "You will accrue recreation leave at the equivalent of 20 days for each full year worked. Please note that recreation leave is not available in Antarctica."

    1. Re:No recreation leave in Antarctica by mjwx · · Score: 1

      You will accrue recreation leave at the equivalent of 20 days for each full year worked. Please note that recreation leave is not available in Antarctica.

      Yes, this is standard for Australia. We get 4 weeks paid holidays a year, plus 10 days paid public holidays. Every full time employee in the nation gets this as it's enshrined in law. Employers are permitted to say, within reasonable limits when leave cannot be taken. Seeing as it's in the contract it's a reasonable limit. Most likely scenario is the leave is paid out upon completion of the contract (so it's an extra 4 weeks pay per year or 6 hours a fortnight).

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  40. Two Important Questions... by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    1) Do they have women there?

    and (possibly or)

    2) Do they have high speed internet access (Sat up-links do NOT count)?

  41. crazy enough for murder sometimes by peter303 · · Score: 1

    There is a unsolved murder at teh south pole station

  42. Cold? by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

    So, the (winter) weather is little different than the upper western Midwestern states, then. *grumble* Though it is more consistent.

    Those with seasonal depression need not apply, I suppose. The summers would indeed be nice.

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  43. No thanks by muntis · · Score: 1

    We already have -20* C now in Riga, for me it is enough.

  44. why science in antarctica is cool by ghostlibrary · · Score: 1

    I did a podcast that really only gets rolling when my subject, a veternarian, gets on a roll about why science and scientists at Antarctica are totally awesome: http://365daysofastronomy.org/2010/01/15/january-15th-go-higher-or-go-to-antarctica/

    Made me want to go there.

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  45. You need to be an AU or NZ citizen by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2, Informative

    Aussies and Kiwis only :-\

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  46. BZZZZT WRONG! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It would be just like if you went to any other bank's ATM. So if you don't bank with Wells Fargo, if you went to one of our ATMs on Main Street, USA, you would pay the surcharge and then you could access that cash.

    Still, impressive that they even exist.

  47. My father has held this position. by Jacques+Chester · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's very hard to qualify for. My father served two winter tours for the Antarctic Division in exactly this role. He loved it to bits -- he's a bit of a hermit, so only having to deal with the same dozen people for months at a time was his idea of heaven.

    However, a lot of people apply. A lot of them are very smart and qualified. My father has decades of experience radio, satellite, microwave, land line and LAN communications. You may need the same.

    Next you need to pass the rigorous screening process. You need to be in good physical condition. Dad spent months sweating away in a gym to meet the weight, blood pressure and cardio requirements. You will be checked for a large number of medical conditions, and if any of them turn up, you will not be accepted.

    Finally, there's the psych review. If you're going to be a winterer, you'll be living in isolated darkness for months with a small group of people with a pitiful satellite uplink to the internet (no youtube or games for you). Not everyone is suited to that.

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  48. There are US jobs, and we do get taxed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Raytheon Polar Services Corp and SPAWAR hire US folks. I can't speak for RPSC because I'm under a SPAWAR contract, and my pay is definitely taxed. RPSC runs everything around here. I'm with a different group, but had to do the physical/dental stuff via them for approval.
    I guess we'd like to pretend we're not under US control, because we get away with some stuff, but our money definitely is.

    There might be a sign that says "You must be 18 to enter the bar" but you gotta be 18 to get the job anyway, and who's going to check your ID, right?

    There might be a sign that says speed limit 5 or 25, but who's gonna pull ya over, right?

    There might be signs that say no misuse of internets, no Skype, etc, but these IT guys r clueless, right?

    HEH

  49. eligible to apply by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Only Australian citizens, Australian residents with proof of eligibilty to work in Australia and New Zealand residents are eligble to apply."

    Damn it. Why?

  50. You call that a knife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I live in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada.
    It was -30 degrees celsius this morning on my way to work. It will be just as cold, if not colder tomorrow.

    Antarctica, here I come! I'll be sure to pack my beach shorts!