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"Supertaskers" Can Safely Use Mobile Phones While Driving

nk497 writes "While most of us are dangerous when texting, chatting on a phone or being otherwise distracted while driving, one in 40 are actually just fine with such distractions. In a small study, such 'supertaskers' were just as good at driving when carrying on a conversation over a hands-free phone as they were when fully focused. That said, the researchers warned that most people are much worse at driving while chatting and shouldn't do it, adding: 'Given the number of individuals who routinely talk on the phone while driving, one would have hoped that there would be a greater percentage of supertaskers.'" That 1 in 40 aside, reader crimeandpunishment writes "The US Transportation Department is calling for a permanent ban on texting while driving, for interstate truck and bus drivers. An interim ban has been in place since January. The government says it is doing everything it can to make roads safer by reducing the threat of distracted drivers."

388 comments

  1. Self-correcting problem by miggyb · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Well, this sounds like a self-correcting problem on a long enough time scale. Hope I'm one of the 40!

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    1. Re:Self-correcting problem by Grishnakh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Nope. Just like with drunk drivers, usually the people killed in accidents are the ones who just happened to be in the way, not the person who was doing something really stupid.

    2. Re:Self-correcting problem by thrillseeker · · Score: 1

      Finally, some recognition of my modest awesomeness.

    3. Re:Self-correcting problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Mod parent up. I've recently passed my driving test and, just before I took it, I was nearly hit by a woman who skipped a red light whilst texting. She would have hit the driver's door and I'd be dead. She would be fine. The only thing that saved me was that I'd come out onto the main road slower than I should have; she'd missed the green by a good 10 seconds.

      Seriously, anyone who talks or texts whilst driving is a danger. Not only are you distracted, you are NOT in full control of your car as you have only one hand on the wheel.

    4. Re:Self-correcting problem by mysidia · · Score: 1

      So make it considered just the same as 1st degree aggravated murder when that happens, in any case where it can be proven that a pedestrian was hit, and the driver was texting, dialing a phone, or holding a handset. And any witness covering up, or failing to come forward and report what happened, is an accessory (meaning any other vehicle or passerby on the road in the vicinity who failed to report), and also, having some minor charge related to the crime.

      The person who was talking on the cell phone when they ran over a pedestrian, will have their choice of being drawn and quartered, strapped into the chair, and electrocuted, put before a firing squad...

      Or: tied to a pole while a robot-driven car runs them over.

      I'll admit it's not 100% a self-correcting problem, and in the cases where it's not, the criminal justice system has a duty to protect society, by applying just and equitable punishment.

      Although I guess, technically allowing more methods of execution such as electric chair, which are more humane than the original crime (compared to being run over by a vehicle and probably left to die as the vehicle goes on [with driver not noticing or pretending to be ignorant]), the punishment actually falls short of fitting the crime, but that is just a matter of civility -- and the outcome is still basically the same.

    5. Re:Self-correcting problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except for the person in front of them that they don't see because they're looking down at their phone while txting. Just ask my wife who was rear-ended by such a clever multitasker, while she was waiting at a red and saw her in the mirror, with no outlet to escape the collision.

    6. Re:Self-correcting problem by Toonol · · Score: 1

      I think about 2 in 3 people will claim to be 1 of the 40. The 1/3 that know they aren't, and the 1/40 that actually are, will survive. The other... um... 79/120... are a danger to themselves and others.

    7. Re:Self-correcting problem by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      which is why we end up with a duality of society. Drunks and complainers that were able to avoid being killed by a drunk.

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    8. Re:Self-correcting problem by BitZtream · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Drunks tend to survive because the state of their body at the time of impact, i.e. not tensed up. Its not random luck, or irony, or any other mysterious factors ...

      Drivers texting while driving aren't going to have the effect of a drug in their system, they'll be as ridged as a board as their body gets destroyed in the accident just like everyone else.

      Good job though, you almost managed to inject an irrelevant and unrelated statement into the conversation.

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    9. Re:Self-correcting problem by maxume · · Score: 1

      If there are robot cars, can I just have one of those to drive me around please?

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    10. Re:Self-correcting problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you meant 77/120. (80/120 will believe that they are in the 1/40 group while 3/120 actually are. On a second thought, there's no reason to think that the 1/40 ones will or won't feel like they are in that group, so they could be in either the 40/120 or 80/120 group--or be split between the two. That means that anywhere from 77/120 to fully 80/120 of us are dangerous, irresponsible bastards. At least I know I am.)

    11. Re:Self-correcting problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Drivers texting while driving aren't going to have the effect of a drug in their system, they'll be as ridged as a board as their body gets destroyed in the accident just like everyone else."

      Frankly, that's a bunch of bullshit. Drunks aren't tense because they have a drug in their body or they are asleep/blacked out.

      Drivers texting might not even realize they were in an accident before making contact with another car, which is effectively the same as being asleep/blacked out.

      In both cases, the driver never realizes they're going to be in the accident and has time to tense up.

    12. Re:Self-correcting problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're an idiot.
      Manslaughter due to stupidity is always manslaughter due to stupidity no matter how stupid the act in question.
      No one can possibly have "such a stupid accident that it was intentional".

      You are a pox on society and I want you to die horribly.

    13. Re:Self-correcting problem by beelsebob · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You assume there's no intersection between the 1/3 that know they can't do it, and the 1/40 that actually can. I'd actually bet reasonably heavily that the intersection there is rather large – the ones who can do things are usually the ones underestimating their ability.

    14. Re:Self-correcting problem by mysidia · · Score: 1

      The possibility exists for robot cars to be manufactured by humans. But I'm not sure they have crossed all the hurdles yet to be trusted on the road.

      It is a big political and social hurdle, and really not just a technological one. There are still technological milestones to be crossed, however, before robotic vehicles could be safely released in an uncontrolled environment such as the open road.

      For now, it's just things like trains that robots run.

      Ever hear of the DARPA Urban challenge that was conducted in 2007?

      And that was 4 years ago...

    15. Re:Self-correcting problem by Relyx · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You make several good points, but I must say, your emphatic delivery does not do you any favors. It makes you sound bitter, angry, and insecure. You can calmly put forward your arguments and people won't disrespect you. In fact they will more likely listen to you. Maybe they will disagree, but the tone of the conversation will remain civil. Give people some credit.

    16. Re:Self-correcting problem by Relyx · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ...and for what it's worth, just because one has been driving for many years, doesn't necessarily mean they are a better, safer driver. Many people will sooner or later start developing bad habits and grow increasingly lax.

    17. Re:Self-correcting problem by Grishnakh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Wrong, partially. When one person runs into another person, the person getting hit tends to sustain more damage, especially since the person doing the hitting usually does it with the front end of their car, and the person getting hit frequently gets hit somewhere other than the front end, such as in the door. This is very common at intersections when some moron runs a red light. Doors don't offer much protection against impact compared to the front end of a car.

      Secondly, if the drunk/texter runs into a pedestrian or cyclist or motorcyclist, again the drunk is going to get away injury-free while the innocent party is screwed.

    18. Re:Self-correcting problem by TapeCutter · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Been driving a stick for 20 years, I spend 95% of my time when driving in the city without my hand on the wheel."

      Been driving for 35yrs and I also drive a manual, after reading how good you think you are I'm pretty sure I know what your doing with your other hand.

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    19. Re:Self-correcting problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      77/120. Just sayin'.

    20. Re:Self-correcting problem by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 2, Funny

      Been driving a stick for 20 years

      Sitting on one, rather.

    21. Re:Self-correcting problem by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      "Drunks tend to survive because the state of their body at the time of impact, i.e. not tensed up. Its not random luck, or irony, or any other mysterious factors ..."

      Yeah right, it's best not to be tensed up when the steering column goes through your chest. It's a fallacy that drunks survive more often, people just remeber it when it happens because it seems unjust. Alcohol causes all sorts of medical complications when someone is seriously injured which (if anything) reduces their chance of surviving the ambulance trip.

      PS: I just noticed you're the same person who I replied to above that was telling everyone how good you were. I find your childish posts and your claim to be a driver with 20yrs experience difficult to reconsile.

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    22. Re:Self-correcting problem by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      He has borderline personality disorder. Look at his other posts.

    23. Re:Self-correcting problem by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      Well, I'll calmly emphasize everything you were just told. I couldn't see anything in what he said that I disagree with.

      If I can offer one little bit of wisdom that your driver's ed instructor probably FAILED to offer, it would be to maintain a safe following distance. 3 seconds. Don't worry that the other idiot insists that he can fit into that 3 second hole that you left. Back off again. I cannot count the accidents that I've witnessed due to morons following to closely. Believe it or not, six new acquaintances all died in the same night, in the same accident, because even a 5 second following distance is not always enough. 5 big trucks and one camper all burned to the ground, because the laws of physics are unforgiving. I knew three of the male drivers, and their co-driver wives. The people in the other two trucks and the camper I never met, but their deaths weren't any less painful or agonizing.

      That following distance will help to ensure that you are HERE in 20 or 30 years to bitch about the morons on the road.

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    24. Re:Self-correcting problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I get it. He's either wanking or posting his wanktalk on to slashdot. Nice one.

    25. Re:Self-correcting problem by orangesquid · · Score: 1

      Oooh! I just had a *brilliant* idea!
      Instead of protecting the driver by putting several feet of car engine between him and the front of the vehicle, why not put the driver out *right at the front*, in the position of vulnerability, and split up the engine into halves, sticking either half on the left and right side of the car? That way, the driver will surely be careful to look where he is going, but if someone runs the red light and T-bones him, he'll be okay.

      Now, who wants to lend me some $ so I can file some patents?

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    26. Re:Self-correcting problem by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      While she broke the law for running the red light, you are still screwed up by not noticing she was coming.

      Sometimes you can't when you're atop a hill and someone else is driving up hill through the intersection in question. They're momentary out of visual range. Anyone that lives in Austin, TX can attest to this. Examples include (but not limited to) that strip of Parmer Ln between Ranch Rd 1431 and Mopac Expy.

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    27. Re:Self-correcting problem by blackraven14250 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Guh, you're a tard. The reason people texting and talking on the cell phone while driving is dangerous isn't because of one hand being off the wheel. It's because of your eyes and your mind not paying attention to the road.

    28. Re:Self-correcting problem by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Very unworkable. Here's a better idea: put a big spike in the middle of the steering wheel, inside the steering column (along with the airbag), which can be quickly deployed by a motor or explosive charge. Put a computer in the car that senses the car's motion and any impacts from the front. If there's a frontal impact and the vehicle was moving (as opposed to, say, being stopped in traffic and being impacted from behind and pushed into the vehicle in front), then the spike deploys and impales the driver.

      Require one of these on every car, and people will drive much more carefully.

    29. Re:Self-correcting problem by Tiger4 · · Score: 1

      So you're saying its OK to drive into an intersection when you don't know if someone is might hit you? What part of drive defensively do you not understand? For that matter, just look in your driver's handbook or vehicle code book. They probably mention things like "driving to fast for conditions" or what to do in limited visibility.

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    30. Re:Self-correcting problem by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      Not saying that at all. But I'm sure as hell not going to wait 10 full seconds at the intersection once my light turns green out of fear of not seeing below the other side of a hill.

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    31. Re:Self-correcting problem by tftp · · Score: 1

      If there's a frontal impact and the vehicle was moving (as opposed to, say, being stopped in traffic and being impacted from behind and pushed into the vehicle in front), then the spike deploys and impales the driver.

      There is no physical difference between you doing 30 mph and hitting a wall, and you doing 30 mph and hitting a car that ran the STOP sign. However in the second case you aren't guilty, and the impalement should be postponed.

    32. Re:Self-correcting problem by PRMan · · Score: 1

      I already claimed to be on a previous Slashdot story about handsfree headsets. While *I* almost certainly am one of the 1/40 that can multitask, I am all for laws like this because I have seen the people that can't.

      That being said, I am also aware enough to realize when the task at hand requires full concentration and I stop talking on the phone at that point.

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    33. Re:Self-correcting problem by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Yes, I see the problem here. If someone turns left in front of you, they're at fault. The spike-control computer is going to need some more intelligence and sensors to deal with this sort of problem.

    34. Re:Self-correcting problem by djlowe · · Score: 1

      You make several good points, but I must say, your emphatic delivery does not do you any favors. It makes you sound bitter, angry, and insecure. You can calmly put forward your arguments and people won't disrespect you. In fact they will more likely listen to you. Maybe they will disagree, but the tone of the conversation will remain civil. Give people some credit.

      If ever a post needed a "You must be new here" reply, this is it, despite your UID... so, without more ado:

      You must be new here.

      *grin*

      Laugh, it's a joke.

      Honest :)

      Regards,

      dj

    35. Re:Self-correcting problem by Grizzley9 · · Score: 1

      I only ever have one hand on the wheel! The other is on the gear shift or the armrest, like most people.

    36. Re:Self-correcting problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Drivers texting might not even realize they were in an accident before making contact with another car, which is effectively the same as being asleep/blacked out.

      No it's not. You're completely ignoring alcohol's impairment on reaction time, and how that affects the time it takes a person to tense up in a collision. Even if they're not paying attention, someone who is sober and awake is still much more likely to quickly become tense in a collision than someone who is drunk or asleep. Quit trying to oversimplify things through analogies.

    37. Re:Self-correcting problem by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

          Actually, if you've done any serious and/or defensive driving, you'll know that two hands on the wheel is very important. Your hand leaves the wheel long enough to shift, and then back.

          Sure, you can cruise down the road with one hand on the wheel. You can even for the most part do normal maneuvers. Serious evasive maneuvers come very quickly, and you may not have the luxury of the second or two that it takes to get your hand back on the wheel.

          We'll use a real life example. I was on a major highway that was 7 lanes wide each way. I was in the #3 lane, which became an offramp to another highway. There was a car in the #5 lane doing at least 40mph less than me. Without signaling, the other driver yanked the wheel and ended up in my lane. The timing would have been roughly, when they finished getting into the lane, I would have hit the passenger side rear bumper and probably spun both of us across the highway.

          I was aware of my environment, so I knew one lane to my right was clear even though I hadn't intended previously to use it. My front seat passenger screamed just as I started my maneuver (hard right, hard left, don't spin). That required *BOTH* hands on the wheel. Otherwise, one hand grasping the wheel wouldn't have made it far enough. When my passenger stopped screaming, because they realized we didn't just die, their first comment was "What the hell was she thinking?!" The second one was "How the hell did you do that?"

          It's important to be able to yank the impossible out of your ass on a moments notice, or you suddenly become another statistic. With either hard braking or a partial turn (if both hands weren't available), there would have definitely been an impact.

          I'm a safe driver. I am probably one of the 1:40 that can text or use my cell phone while driving. I am also smart enough to know that it's not safe to text while driving. It takes a fraction of a second for someone in another car to do something stupid that could get me killed. That includes from kids who think they can text and drive, and from guys who have been driving 30 years so they think they know everything and can drive one-handed. I may text in the car, but it's when I'm stopped at a stop light, or I pull into a parking lot.

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    38. Re:Self-correcting problem by bzipitidoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You can't drive as if every vehicle approaching on a side street might fail to stop. I was clobbered by a young inexperienced driver who ran a red light. Saw him, too, and didn't like how fast he was coming up to the light, so I moved away one lane and slowed a little. I was thinking he might not be able to quite stop. Instead, he sped up, running the light, and put himself squarely in front of me. If I'd thought of that possibility, I might have been ready for it and able to avoid him. Might. On the other hand, had I not slowed a little, he might have nailed me in the side, and I might be dead. For his part, he claimed he never saw the light, and there's a little something to that-- it's the sort of light that while quite visible physically, is not so mentally visible. Drivers are conditioned to expect lights in that kind of setting to be green when they approach.

      For the first week after returning to the road, I was cringing at every approaching vehicle. And discovering that there were always approaching vehicles. You can't drive like that. It's stressful and exhausting, and you still won't see everything. You've got to play the very high odds that others will not make a boneheaded mistake like that, and that if they do, your car will protect you well enough that you aren't seriously hurt.

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    39. Re:Self-correcting problem by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      It's a fallacy that drunks survive more often, people just remeber it when it happens because it seems unjust.

      Unless you have some statistics to back you up, I tend not to believe that. Not because of this "tensing up" crap, but because of what I said in a sister post here: drunks cause wrecks usually because they hit something, and the innocent party is the one getting hit. In a good fraction of these cases, the one getting hit is getting hit from the side or some other angle where their vehicle doesn't protect them as well, or worse, they're a pedestrian, cyclist, or motorcyclist. And most of the time, the drunk driver is in a car or truck, and hitting the other party from the front, which is easily the best part of a vehicle to have an impact, as it has a nice big crumple zone, and no problems with whiplash, plus all the protection of frontal airbags.

      Just think of the typical ways a drunk driver might cause a wreck.

      1) Not seeing pedestrian (wasn't this what triggered the formation of MADD?) or cyclist on side of road. Result: dead pedestrian/cyclist, small dent in front bumper of drunk's car.

      2) Not seeing motorcyclist, perhaps when changing lanes. Result: dead or crippled motorcyclist, small dent in side door of drunk's car.

      3) Going through red light. Result: front of drunk's car smashed, side of innocent party's car smashed (in a "t-bone" crash). Of course, the person getting hit from the side is going to be injured worse in most cases.

      Besides, how would someone cause a wreck that would result in them being hit in the rear or side? That's pretty hard to do, although it can happen by running a red light.

      I'd go so far to say that in most car crashes, the one at fault has lesser injuries in most cases because of the above; it doesn't matter if they were drunk, texting, putting on makeup, or just plain stupid (like the guy in Phoenix a few days ago who ran into a bunch of motorcycles at a red light from behind, killing 4 of them). It's just that alcohol impairs judgment and concentration so much that it's a frequent contributor to crashes, causing a significant portion of them to be alcohol-related.

    40. Re:Self-correcting problem by Abstrackt · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's good you explained that joke, I might have missed it otherwise.

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    41. Re:Self-correcting problem by sulfur · · Score: 1

      It seems that this argument comes up at least once in every post related to transportation. Please believe me that once you've been in an accident where you were not the guilty party (because of either other driver, vehicle malfunction, or poor road conditions), you will not find this joke even remotely funny.

      Actually, I think that it would be better if every person on the road could experience being in a non-serious accident (i.e. without significant injuries) that only involved their car. Maybe then most people would stop thinking that they are above-average drivers.

    42. Re:Self-correcting problem by NitroWolf · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up. I've recently passed my driving test and, just before I took it, I was nearly hit by a woman who skipped a red light whilst texting. She would have hit the driver's door and I'd be dead. She would be fine. The only thing that saved me was that I'd come out onto the main road slower than I should have; she'd missed the green by a good 10 seconds.

      Seriously, anyone who talks or texts whilst driving is a danger. Not only are you distracted, you are NOT in full control of your car as you have only one hand on the wheel.

      Seriously... you just passed your driving test and you somehow think you're qualified to comment on who and what is safe while driving and what isn't? Really?

      Just because your high school driving instructor tells you something doesn't mean they know what they are talking about. They are just some random faculty member who got suckered into the job - or if you took a "professional" course aimed at kids, you were told exactly what is best for you to hear at your level of driving, not what's true in day to day life - basically you're told what won't get the company sued when you wreck mom and dads SUV.

      Having two hands on the wheel under most driving conditions is redundant most of the time. Under certain conditions, it would even lessen your control over the vehicle. For those conditions where two hands on the wheel are beneficial, you'll know the situations when you're in them, probably because you'll be white-knuckling the wheel the first few times they happen to you.

      Texting while driving is generally a douche move - especially if you have an iPhone or any similar phone without a keypad (a full keyboard doesn't count) - however texting on a T9 without looking at your phone offers just as much distraction as a radio or talking on the phone. Now, I would entertain the argument that talking on the phone causes a level of distraction that might be unacceptable under some conditions (such as heavy traffic / city driving) but doing so on the highway does not cause a level of distraction that is significantly more dangerous than a host of other actions people perform while driving.

      As for talking on the phone, that is entirely dependent on the person - some people are apparently incapable of prioritizing outside stimuli properly - those are the people who are dangerous while talking on the phone - for the rest of the people who have properly functioning prioritization centers in their brain, talking on the phone is no more a hazard than the radio. Sadly, it seems many people on the road these days have a malfunctioning prioritization system.

      Either way, your blanket statements just reek of inexperience.

    43. Re:Self-correcting problem by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      I don't know about being above-average, but I can safely say I've never driven while drunk or texting, which immediately makes me a better driver than many others out there. And before anyone says I might do that in the future, it's highly unlikely since I've never been drunk and have no plans to begin drinking to excess, and I also don't text as I'm over 30 and think it's mostly stupid.

      So while I agree that just because someone claims to be a "good" driver doesn't mean it's true, I do think that anyone who never drives while drunk or texting can justifiably feel smug that he's better than those who do. People who do either of those things really should lose their licenses, as they're an obvious danger.

    44. Re:Self-correcting problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "In 2007, 59% of fatal crashes involved only one vehicle, as compared with 33% of injury crashes and 31% of property-damage-only crashes."

      You are so full of shit it is not even funny. They tend to kill, in this themselves. I don't recall if passengers or other people are next on the list. That 59% will include some pedestestians. However, many MVA involve the drunk dying - often unbelted. These people are a far bigger risk to themselves. I will place 6-figure money on this if you wish to continue the discussion. Your quote should be "Just like with drunk drivers, usually the people killed in accidents are the ones who WERE IN THE FUCKING ACCIDENT!"

    45. Re:Self-correcting problem by Mr.+Freeman · · Score: 1

      The fact that you think you're able to do this makes me think that you're actually completely unqualified in every manner. Seriously, distracted drivers that cause problems obviously aren't capable of monitoring their own behavior because if they were then they wouldn't cause the problems in the first place. No driver talking on a cell phone accidentally goes 25 over the speed limit and runs through stop signs AND realizes that they're doing it. If they were capable of realizing that they were doing this then they would slow down and not run stop signs.

      It's as simple as this: You cannot, by definition, evaluate your own distracted driving performance.

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    46. Re:Self-correcting problem by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      Half of the fatalities on the road are drivers (look up your own stats), in the two car situations you list the odds are the same for both drivers, there is no reason that the drunks car is less likey to be T-boned going through a red light, it simply depends on who entered the cross road first. Also note that a dead pedestrian or a cyclists is just as likely to be intoxicated as a driver, if not more so. You also left out single vehicle collisions where the odds are much higher that the driver was intoxicated.

      "like the guy in Phoenix a few days ago who ran into a bunch of motorcycles at a red light from behind, killing 4 of them"

      Thanks, you just demonstrated my point by recalling a spectacular incident, do you recall the last time you read about the common occurance of a drunk killing himself with a tree or a lampost?

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    47. Re:Self-correcting problem by RMH101 · · Score: 2, Funny

      " It's important to be able to yank the impossible out of your ass on a moments notice, or you suddenly become another statistic."

      I'm going to use this quote. Nice post.

    48. Re:Self-correcting problem by Inda · · Score: 1

      I hate imperial but here goes...

      60 miles per hour = 88 feet per second

      In the time it takes you to look down at the phone, you've travelled 88 feet, 10 car lengths, stupid, stupid, stupid.

      Now can people see the danger?

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    49. Re:Self-correcting problem by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      ...and for what it's worth, just because one has been driving for many years, doesn't necessarily mean they are a better, safer driver. Many people will sooner or later start developing bad habits and grow increasingly lax.

      ...and for what it's worth, just because one has been driving for many years, doesn't necessarily mean they are a better, safer driver. All people will develop bad habits and grow increasingly lax.
      FTFY

      Most people will deny this, and the more strongly they deny it, more likely the worse a driver they are. The denial does not, of course, make it any less true.

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    50. Re:Self-correcting problem by DMiax · · Score: 1

      I think you are missing the point: the problem is not the encumbrance (though it is a factor) but about formulating a response. If you passively hear radio talk does not hinder your decision faculties. Answering a text does, as does talking on the phone.

    51. Re:Self-correcting problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't matter how far you travel, what matters is how frequently you need to make decisions. At 60 mph, you're probably on a highway, and on many US highways, traffic is sparse and you can predict the road for many seconds out, even a minute. A second factor is where you put the phone; is it dashboard mounted or in your hand somewhere?

      So, while texting while driving is dangerous in general, it's not as simple as you make it.

    52. Re:Self-correcting problem by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      Yep. MY first thought when reading this was: "Oh, great, now every asshole driver out there can self-label himself as a 'supertasker'".

      (And also immediately add the word 'supertasker' to his/her resume, one assumes...I know I'm going to!)

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    53. Re:Self-correcting problem by Monolith1 · · Score: 1

      Put a computer in the car that senses the car's motion - then the spike deploys and impales the driver.

      I hope Toyota is never allowed to fit this feature to their cars

    54. Re:Self-correcting problem by blackraven14250 · · Score: 1

      Good thing that on a highway, nobody cuts right in front of you, ever. Oh, wait....

    55. Re:Self-correcting problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Having two hands on the wheel under most driving conditions is redundant most of the time. Under certain conditions, it would even lessen your control over the vehicle.

      [citation needed]

    56. Re:Self-correcting problem by serialband · · Score: 1

      Actually, drunks survive because the alcohol causes them to be limp and non-responsive during a crash. That won't be the case for the cell phone users. They'll tense up at the moment of impact and get injured.

    57. Re:Self-correcting problem by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      Not very likely, they are all women.

    58. Re:Self-correcting problem by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

      Oooh! Anecdotal evidence! Remind me to base my entire philosophy of life one what some AC posts on /.
      And, I would ask your wife, but you're immature, and probably don't have one, and then there's that whole AC thing......

      1. The summary doesn't say anything about these supertaskers being able to text and drive safely, just talk and drive, making your argument moot.

      2. The idiot who's looking down at his phone, or anywhere other than the road, isn't a supertasker. If I have to do anything while driving, my eyes don't leave the road. If I can't find the radio volume control without looking, I don't touch it. If I can't pick up and answer my phone, hands free or not, without looking, I don't do it.

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    59. Re:Self-correcting problem by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      So you're saying its OK to drive into an intersection when you don't know if someone is might hit you?

      There's this thing called the rest of the world, and in parts of it the streets are very narrow and the houses aren't much more than a yard from the road. So unless you can see round corners, it's that or sit there forever.

      That's probably why they put the lights there.

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    60. Re:Self-correcting problem by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Seriously... you just passed your driving test and you somehow think you're qualified to comment on who and what is safe while driving and what isn't? Really?

      I guess he head to study that for the theory test, it's still fresh in his mind and he hasn't had time to develop bad habits. He's no less qualified than you or me.

      Having two hands on the wheel under most driving conditions is redundant most of the time. Under certain conditions, it would even lessen your control over the vehicle.

      How so? Say I've got my left hand at the three o'clock position. I can go about 75 degrees left and maybe 180 right from there. Not much when it's about a 1000 lock to lock. You really think having my other hand ready to take over and assist hinders my ability to steer?

      Let's look at a professional. Seems to me he takes his hand off to shift and as soon as he's finished he puts it back right away.

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    61. Re:Self-correcting problem by NitroWolf · · Score: 1

      I guess he head to study that for the theory test, it's still fresh in his mind and he hasn't had time to develop bad habits. He's no less qualified than you or me.

      So somehow he's no less qualified, even though he has no experience to speak of? Wow... I guess that means I'm qualified to give a presentation on Arctic Salmon and their mating habits then! Oh wait... no I'm not, because I haven't had any experience in that area.

      How so? Say I've got my left hand at the three o'clock position. I can go about 75 degrees left and maybe 180 right from there. Not much when it's about a 1000 lock to lock. You really think having my other hand ready to take over and assist hinders my ability to steer?

      Absolutely. Have you tried to hold your hands at 10 & 2 on a wheel for an hour straight? How about two? What about three? Four? Five? Alternating your hands will give your active hand the muscle control needed to control the vehicle in a safe manner. Trying to keep both hands on the wheel for any length of time is counterproductive.

      Let's look at a professional. Seems to me he takes his hand off to shift and as soon as he's finished he puts it back right away.

      Holy crap, you found a professional driver... on a RACE COURSE! Whoa! Amazing! Because driving on the track is EXACTLY like driving in the city... or, or... it's EXACTLY like driving on the highway for 6 hours in a virtually straight line! YEAH! Of course! Christ.

      If I could find the video I saw years ago, I would love to show you a race driver that is actually driving a clover leaf in his personal car... he's got one hand on the wheel and he's fumbling around in the glove box and then with his tape deck (it's an old video) while literally skidding around the clover leaf. So no, we aren't talking about professional drivers on race courses here - that's something entirely different. I figured that would be obvious enough to not have to mention that, but apparently some people can't quite grasp the concept that the track is different than the road.

  2. Yup.. by ak_hepcat · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm just fine with the added distractions. In fact, while driving, I usually #*&&&%>...

    NO CARRIER

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    1. Re:Yup.. by Wolvenhaven · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's amazing that a random crash could type "#*&&&%>... [RETURN] NO CARRIER" hit preview and then submit. I guess enough monkeys bashing away on typewriters can create Shakespeare is true.

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    2. Re:Yup.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I swear, that always happens when I ja#*&&&%>...

      NO CARRIER

    3. Re:Yup.. by Locke2005 · · Score: 0

      It's a caricature; a nostalgic harkening back to the simpler days acoustic modems, which actually could "type in" line noise while being cut off. It's similar to the bowling ball-shaped bomb icon, depictions of telephones with huge handsets and rotary dials, and use of colloquial phrases like "cold enough to freeze the balls off a brass monkey".

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    4. Re:Yup.. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Funny

      Man, back in the day, I could drive with a joint in one hand a beer in the other hand and an arm around my girlfriend (this was in the days before Slashdot nerd-dom). All while bobbing my head madly to The Ramones and being high on 'shrooms. And I could do all this while timing all the stoplights on Belmont Avenue so I'd never have to shift my Gremlin out of third gear.

      I'd like to see some sissy F1 driver try all that.

      [Disclaimer: Sweeheart, you know Daddy's a big kidder, right? He's just showing off for the guys at /. and never really did any of those things. And that burnt hemostat you found in the closet is from when I was a thoracic surgeon working on burn victims. And that picture of me in the shoebox where I'm sucking smoke through the bottom of a beer can is just some joke that your Uncle Izzy photoshopped in 1975 before he went to prison.]

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    5. Re:Yup.. by M8e · · Score: 1

      One time my cat jumped up on my keyboard and pushed something like "leik cex[TAB][ENTER]". This happened when i was writing on an forum, so it got posted.

      If a cat can do that, imagine what a bunch of monkeys canpex,ox rexcrq

    6. Re:Yup.. by Capt.DrumkenBum · · Score: 1

      Thanks so much for explaining that. I am sure that you and I are the only ones on here old enough to remember the olden days.

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    7. Re:Yup.. by mysidia · · Score: 3, Informative

      Wha, you don't know about 9600 BAUD modem-based gateways used to submit comments to slashdot?

      If he gets disconnected in the middle of typing, it disconnects, to avoid loss of the message, the other side of the gateway dutifully posts it, including the last bit of noise, and the 'NO CARRIER' error reported by the modem.

      Another fun thing to do with those gateways is to post the following on every slashdot comment,

      +++ATH0
      +++ATH0

      FB GUR SRYYBJF HFVAT PURNC XABPX-BSS ZBQRZF GUNG PNA'G VZCYRZRAG CNGRAGRQ +++ QRYNL GRPUABYBTL, JVYY OR QVFPBAARPGRQ ORSBER GURL PNA SVAVFU ERNQVAT LBHE TYBEVBHF PBZZRAG.

      CYNPR GUNG FGEVAT ORSBER NAL FRPERG GRKG GBB, CERSRENOYL FGEBATYL RAPELCGRQ.

      SFV LZWF JWSDDQ UGFXMKW LZWE, TQ FWYSLANW 8-KZAXLAFY LZW EGKL AEHGJLSFL LWPL

    8. Re:Yup.. by KiloByte · · Score: 1

      Screw typing... what about engraving "AAARGH" in stone as you die?

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    9. Re:Yup.. by dangitman · · Score: 4, Funny

      And that picture of me in the shoebox where I'm sucking smoke...

      Far out, man. How did you squeeze yourself into that shoebox?

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    10. Re:Yup.. by FooAtWFU · · Score: 1

      Hit Preview? what site do you think your'e on exactl?Y

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    11. Re:Yup.. by defro · · Score: 1

      Did anyone else google hemostat then immediately start laughing? Where are my mod points when I need em....

    12. Re:Yup.. by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 3, Funny

      I've just got to:

      Brother Mainar*: "The castle of Aaaaaarrrrgh!"
      King Arthur: "What?"
      BM: "The castle of... Aaaaaaarrrgh"
      Bedevere: "What is that?"
      BM: "He must have died while carving!"
      Lancelot: "Oh, come on!"
      BM: "Well that's what it says"
      KA: "Look if he was dying he wouldn't bother to carve 'Argh' he'd just say it"
      BM: "Well that's what's carved in the rock!"
      Galahad: "Perhaps he was dictating?"
      KA: "Oh shut up!"

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    13. Re:Yup.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're assuming we had to google it.

    14. Re:Yup.. by QRDeNameland · · Score: 1

      Those of us with burnt hemostats in our closets didn't need to google for the giggle.

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    15. Re:Yup.. by D+Ninja · · Score: 3, Funny

      "leik cex[TAB][ENTER]"

      Sounds like your cat was *really* trying to say: "Like sex. Tabby. Enter." and just didn't have a full grasp of what the [TAB] key does.

    16. Re:Yup.. by Idiomatick · · Score: 4, Funny

      When I got my smartphone I didn't have an auto-lock set for it. I left it in my pocket one night when I passed out, it ended up calling my dad twice.

      Two days later my thigh was at it again. It went into my e-mail, found an email from a school club mailing list i was part of. Replied to the whole mailing list (the club was setup so anyone posting to the mailing list would have their message relayed to the whole group). I got like 15emails like "what is 'sadofiefew'?".

      From this I concluded of course that my thigh is smarter than a monkey. And there is a hypothesis that it is upset about the IE number of users.

    17. Re:Yup.. by ndogg · · Score: 1

      It happens on Slashdot more often than you may realize.

      I think Slashdot has some sort of "SUDDEN UNINTENDED DISCONNECTION" algorithm running to pick up on&*(*($&&^...NO CARRIER

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    18. Re:Yup.. by The_mad_linguist · · Score: 1

      It's kind of odd, but it seems that someone hired Candlejack to hit the s-

    19. Re:Yup.. by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

          I really didn't get it. Well, I already knew what hemostats are. I assumed that there was some huge practical joke by googling it. Nope. Maybe something in Google Images? Still nope.

          And all the pot smokers I know smoke from glass pipes and bongs (errr, water pipes). So, it'd just be an amateur pot smoker using hemostats anyways. Maybe that's the joke.

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    20. Re:Yup.. by Cymeth · · Score: 1

      prieveiw???

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    21. Re:Yup.. by Mr.+Freeman · · Score: 1

      Perhaps he was dictating.

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    22. Re:Yup.. by andreicio · · Score: 1

      If you roll a cigarette and smoke it, at one point it gets very short and thus too hot to hold.
      I leave the rest of the explanation as an exercise for the reader.

    23. Re:Yup.. by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

          And if you smoke from a pipe, you can smoke it all. I've heard of amateurs using forks and alligator clips for the same reason.

          For reference, I don't partake in that. I've just observed the whole gambit of those that do.

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    24. Re:Yup.. by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      My cousin STILL does that! In fact nearly exactly that! Just that the car actually is pretty expensive and the roads are those of a convoluted European city! Sitting in that car with him, you WILL shit yourself!

      P.S.: Your disclaimer is extremely lame! I wouldn’t be surprised if things like those cause her to fuck someone with a bit more manly dominance. ^^

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      Any sufficiently advanced intelligence is indistinguishable from stupidity.
  3. Oh, Great by Bugamn · · Score: 1

    I can see now a lot of people claiming to be supertaskers.

    I hope those news don't make it to the general public;

    1. Re:Oh, Great by sznupi · · Score: 1

      Asperger supertaskers, that will be...interesting.

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    2. Re:Oh, Great by osu-neko · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I can see now a lot of people claiming to be supertaskers.

      Well yes, obviously all of us here are among the elite. ;)

      (I am so not... you would not believe the extent of injuries I've endured simply walking around the office or my home while thinking about something else... my pinky toe on my right foot is currently broken... again...)

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    3. Re:Oh, Great by treeves · · Score: 3, Funny

      Probably there are more supertankers than supertaskers on /.
      That was how I initially read the headline for an instant.

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    4. Re:Oh, Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The drivers whose performances were not adversely affected by simultaneous phone usage.. were shit drivers when the only had to deal with the challenge of driving.

    5. Re:Oh, Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope those news don't make it to the general public

      I'll be content if most of them don't make it to the general public, even if some do.

    6. Re:Oh, Great by idlemachine · · Score: 1

      I can see now a lot of people claiming to be supertaskers.

      I predict a future study that links it to Asperger's.

      Self-diagnose away!

    7. Re:Oh, Great by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

      That makes no sense.

      A shit driver when only driving will be running up somebody's tailpipe when given a phone conversation to deal with as well.

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  4. Justification by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This gives many ignorant people justification to feel like they are really one of those 1 in 40. Just don't fucking do it, whether you think you are good at it or not. I'm sure I could do it, but I try not to even answer the phone when I'm on the road.

    1. Re:Justification by cmseagle · · Score: 5, Funny
      >This gives many ignorant people justification to feel like they are really one of those 1 in 40.

      >I'm sure I could do it

      Oh the irony...

    2. Re:Justification by rHBa · · Score: 1

      I have a good friend who drives many miles a day and can touch-text (i.e below the dashboard, while watching the traffic) quicker than I can text while looking at my phone (hell, quicker than some people can type!)

      I'm not saying he's safe while doing it, just that some people (such as truck drivers?) can TXT whithout being seen to be TXTing.

    3. Re:Justification by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Either way, Darwin's going to get his way. He will decide whose genetic material will live on in the afterlife and whose genetic material will slowly sink to the fiery pits at the center of the Earth. There is no salvation - no repentance for dying in sin. If you're in the passenger seat remember "Ephesians 5:3-11 warns against keeping company with the immoral because the reputation as well as the sin rubs off on you." http://www.christadelphiancare.net/fellowship/GBA_for.htm, potentially even for riding not with these heathen, but simply for failing to avoid them.

    4. Re:Justification by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WAAAAHHH!

    5. Re:Justification by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you not understand what irony is? Do you not understand the post? His point is that many more than 1 in 40 people will think they can safely talk and drive. He provides himself as evidence.

    6. Re:Justification by wall0159 · · Score: 1

      It's like that survey about heaven:

      When asked, the average believer thought that about 25% of people will get into heaven.
      But 95% of respondents thought that _they_ would get in.

      numbers approximate, and no link, unfortunately...

  5. Natural selection at work? by acheron12 · · Score: 1

    There may only be 1 supertasker in 40 for now, but that proportion can only increase if the non-supertaskers carry on trying to multitask while operating heavy vehicles!

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    1. Re:Natural selection at work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not necessarily... that non-supertasker could be taking out the supertaskers ....

    2. Re:Natural selection at work? by hibiki_r · · Score: 1

      To avoid this, we have to add some explosives to every new car: If it detects an active phone signal in the car during the crash, it detonates!

    3. Re:Natural selection at work? by the_humeister · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, what happens is the non-supertaskers take out other people in their way who may or may not be supertaskers. The net effect will be no change in the supertaskers:non-supertaskers ratio.

    4. Re:Natural selection at work? by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Only if we make sure everyone gets cars and mobile phones long before they get a chance to breed.

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    5. Re:Natural selection at work? by colonelquesadilla · · Score: 1

      And the guy next to you with a cell phone?

      --
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    6. Re:Natural selection at work? by psithurism · · Score: 0, Troll

      No, what happens is the non-supertaskers take out other people in their way who may or may not be supertaskers. The net effect will be no change in the supertaskers:non-supertaskers ratio.

      Precisely, it may even go the other direction. My alcoholic uncle, though telling everyone he could handle driving drunk and besides he never drove drunk anyway, had enough suspicion of himself to cruise around in a tank of a car. I've heard from others he's no exception.

      I happen to be a supertasker, but just in case a texting non-supertasker hits me while I'm texting, I'll only be texting from my SUV.

    7. Re:Natural selection at work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not quite. This is only true if you assume the non-supertaskers don't take themselves out in the process of taking out the people who may or may not be supertaskers.

    8. Re:Natural selection at work? by B1oodAnge1 · · Score: 1

      This is only because of our relentless drive to make cars more safe for those driving in them, a trend any thinking person should be vigorously denouncing for this very reason.

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    9. Re:Natural selection at work? by Draek · · Score: 1

      I happen to be a supertasker

      No, you're not. Trust me, you're not.

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    10. Re:Natural selection at work? by Mr.+Freeman · · Score: 1

      Making things less safe is NOT an answer. There will always be true accidents (where neither driver could possibly have prevented a problem even with no distractions and advanced training) and for these situations cars should be as safe as possible for all parties involved.

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    11. Re:Natural selection at work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you place safety for a minority above the well-being of an entire species?

      Your priorities are screwed up, sir.

  6. Are they just worse drivers to begin with? by afaik_ianal · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The sample size was really small in this - 200. So 5 people out of 200 showed no deterioration in driving skill with improved memory performance.

    I'd love to see how their driving metrics compared to everyone else though. Is it that the keep driving well while on the phone, or are they just crap drivers who don't concentrate on the road even when they're not on the phone?

    1. Re:Are they just worse drivers to begin with? by Halotron1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The sample size was really small in this - 200.

      Seriously, waaaay too small to jump to conclusions.
      Plus the study needs to be repeated multiple times in different areas by other independent researchers before the results are dependable.

      The odds are just as high that the area in Utah they surveyed is home to the ONLY 5 supertaskers in the world.

    2. Re:Are they just worse drivers to begin with? by noidentity · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Yeah, exactly.

      one in 40 are actually just fine with such distractions. In a small study, such 'supertaskers' were just as good at driving when carrying on a conversation over a hands-free phone as they were when fully focused.

      I don't care about relative performance. How well do these supertaskers driving wile focused compare with a normaltasker while focused, and how good are they compared to some standard of safe? In other words, the supertaskers might be great at normal and distracted driving, or really lousy at both.

      And let's just say that these supertaskers are great in both situations. What if they found that 1 in 1000 could drive safely with eyes closed, or while sleeping? That shouldn't be grounds for making such a thing legal. Ultimately what matters is that safety is at an acceptable level, however that is achieved.

    3. Re:Are they just worse drivers to begin with? by martin-boundary · · Score: 3, Insightful
      It's wrong to call them supertaskers. In any statistical sample, there are extreme observations, which represent *expected* random variation. 5 out of 200 seems well within the expected random variation of most tests, although this can only be checked by looking at the actual tests they used in TFA.

      The problem with calling some people "supertaskers" is that it implies a timeless ability, but testing for a timeless ability requires repeating the tests at regular time intervals over an extended period of time. And even then you can only claim "supertasking" as a transient ability.

      It's bad science to impose a preconceived notion directly in the terminology. It's better to just call them statistical outliers, and to ask how many of those are expected?

      For example, you might get somebody who is really bad at multitasking, but on the day of the test everything works just right. There's green lights, few cars on the road, and they look like supertaskers. Whereas the next day, there might be a string of red lights and a jaywalker and everything goes wrong. The same "supertasker" would be labeled an "undertasker" if the test was done a day later. Even something as simple as whether they had cereal for breakfast, or they are going through an extended divorce could have a nontrivial effect.

      The expected variation in external inputs is what causes an expected number of people to lie at the extremes of the distribution. With a normal distribution, about 5% (ie 10 people out of 200) are at least 2 standard deviations off the mean. That's the extra push that could turn a negative effect into a positive one for those people.

    4. Re:Are they just worse drivers to begin with? by mirix · · Score: 1

      You raise a bunch of good points.
      I'd like to see the test done in Manhattan instead of Utah.

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    5. Re:Are they just worse drivers to begin with? by yali · · Score: 1

      I wish I had mod points to mod the parent up.

      In an experiment where each subject has only been measured once in each condition, you cannot distinguish stable individual differences (which is what is being suggested) from real but transient effects. Worse, you cannot really distinguish real-but-transient effects from stochastic error except by making some strong statistical assumptions. This is an interesting first result to follow up on, but it's not nearly strong enough to warrant a press release.

    6. Re:Are they just worse drivers to begin with? by brre · · Score: 1

      Excellent points. The case is hardly compelling that "it's safe for supertaskers". It's equally likely that something else entirely was going on with those 5. To make the case that this is safe under any circumstances would require far more convincing data than this.

    7. Re:Are they just worse drivers to begin with? by TapeCutter · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's not too small, they just picked the sensationalist conclusion. Turn the number around and you have a conclusion that aligns with real world experience - 97.5% of people suffer a deteriation in driving skill while texting. Given that statistic the other 2.5% would need to show no effect over multiple trials to demonstrate it wasn't just dumb luck.

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    8. Re:Are they just worse drivers to begin with? by mypalmike · · Score: 1

      I didn't ATFS*, but my guess is that the 5 people who showed no deterioration were just bad drivers to begin with.

      * Analyze The Fantastic Study

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  7. Plenty of people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    think they are awesome multitaskers. They are wrong.

  8. Doesn't mean they are good drivers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The summary just says that the supertaskers were just as good at driving when distracted as when fully focused. Maybe they suck at driving so much that adding a cell phone can't make them any worse.

  9. Cell Phone Vendetta by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cell phones are distracting. So are crying children in the back seat. So are radios. It's also distracting for someone to eat while they are driving. Yet lawmakers are in a huff about banning cell phone use only while driving. Our city just passed an ordinance banning holding a cellphone while driving yet it's still perfectly legal to eat, smoke, and yell at screaming children while driving (and all at the same time!). Why not take a more sensible approach and teach people how to drive responsibly while talking on a cell phone? By outlawing it, we only make the problem worse. Responsible texting might mean only doing it once you are stopped at a 3 minute stoplight. The 1 in 40 is interesting but I'd like to see a study that compares other distractions with cell phones.

    1. Re:Cell Phone Vendetta by pileated · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm not a politician and I'm not in a huff. Instead I'm outraged at the assholes who take my life and that of others in their hands by driving around chatting on their cellphones absolutely oblivious to other drivers.

      This is the first time I've cursed on slashdot. I don't like to do it and see far too much of it here and elsewhere. In this case though it's perfectly fitting.

    2. Re:Cell Phone Vendetta by timmarhy · · Score: 5, Insightful
      It's about doing something about the risks you can control. you can't control a child screaming but you CAN ban smoking and eating while driving (which we should) as well as cell phones.

      are you retarded enough to suggest just because we can't ban all possible distractions, we should just let drivers do dangerous shit like text while driving? this sounds like the same logic as "condoms are only 99% effective so lets not bother with them!".

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    3. Re:Cell Phone Vendetta by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are already laws against all of these, as well as just swerving around the freeway just for fun. It's stupid to try to classify each and every way you can drive dangerously, the police can (and should) pull you over if you are driving dangerously. Do you really think it makes you safer to have the cops pull over one of these supertaskers while some idiot is close to side swiping somebody because he is picking his nose?

    4. Re:Cell Phone Vendetta by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      I don't mind them talking... it's seeing them in heavy traffic run into the SUV in front of them and then continue talking on their phone as if nothing happened, that makes me want to stop my car, get out, and beat the hell out of them. Yes, I've actually witnessed this; I've also witnessed people merging into my lane directly into me while talking on the phone, then getting upset when I blew my horn at them. But then, I've also witnessed somebody without a phone drift slowly out of his lane and into the side of a bus I was on that was literally right outside his open driver's side window... dude, how can you not notice something that noisy that is literally casting a shadow on your whole car! I can only explain that one by assuming copious amounts of drugs were involved.

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    5. Re:Cell Phone Vendetta by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 4, Funny

      This is the first time I've cursed on slashdot.

      Once you start, it's really fucking hard to stop.

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    6. Re:Cell Phone Vendetta by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's about doing something about the risks you can control. you can't control a child screaming but you CAN ban smoking and eating while driving (which we should) as well as cell phones.

      are you retarded enough to suggest just because we can't ban all possible distractions, we should just let drivers do dangerous shit like text while driving? this sounds like the same logic as "condoms are only 99% effective so lets not bother with them!".

      Bans on activities =/= Condom use.

    7. Re:Cell Phone Vendetta by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 1

      ... dude, how can you not notice something that noisy that is literally casting a shadow on your whole car!

      Easy, it's called "sleeping".

      Seriously though, for people who aren't constantly checking their surroundings, it's very easy to get lulled into a daze and not notice incredible things. I've had several people almost run me off the road because they just weren't paying attention - they were zoned out.

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    8. Re:Cell Phone Vendetta by timmarhy · · Score: 1
      is it "let's not use our brain day"? dangerous driving laws are there to catch people who are already driving dangerously eg. weaving all over the road. bans on using your cell phone while driving are to PREVENT dangerous driving. someone could appear to be driving perfectly fine while on the phone, but in reality none of their attention is on the road, so when billy runs out onto the road they flatten him where someone not on the phone would have seen him coming.

      i agree it's stupid to try ban everything that might distract drivers, but unfortunately we have lots of stupid people so we need to take out as many oppertunities to do stupid things as possible. i strongly think smoking while driving is a major problem. i know people who have been in serious accidents because they were trying to light a cig or dropped one in their lap.

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    9. Re:Cell Phone Vendetta by Strake · · Score: 1

      you can't control a child screaming

      I can, but the parents would take exception. (Rather, they ought to take heed, and control their young.)

    10. Re:Cell Phone Vendetta by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would like to meet one of these people that struggles with smoking a cig while they are driving. They must seriously be on the extreme low end of mental functioning. The amount of brain time (think cpu time) required to smoke is virtually nothing. Of course I feel the same way about cell phones too. I don't understand how something as simple as a conversation can distract you from your main task. I've never even been in a car with someone that I felt was distracted while doing any task. Maybe I just don't hang out with enough retarded people.

    11. Re:Cell Phone Vendetta by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not being in proper control of your vehicle is dangerous driving...

    12. Re:Cell Phone Vendetta by arekusu_ou · · Score: 0

      While I agree texting is over the line, and most people I see with a cell in their hands are dipshits who can't seem to drive straight or keep a steady speed. And the person putting on make up while looking into a mirror.

      Removing distractions like conversation is a ridiculous attempt. If it's not one thing, it's another. The screaming kid is one of my argument, but what about the radio? Going to ban that next? Talking with someone with you in the car? The people singing along with the radio and you see their heads shaking from side to side and their hands drumming the steering wheel.

      How about something more intellectual like talk shows. Not the mindless shock jockeys but actual intelligent things that make you think. Maybe books on tape? The object of which IS to pay attention and retain information?

      Or how about just plan daydreaming or not paying attention? Listening to a tv show or movie in the background on the car? You ever multi-task sitting at a desk with that in the background and your mind wanders? Should they ban installing video displays in vehicles too?

      Or just multi-tasking thinking? Solve a problem? Making a to do list? Making a shopping list? Thinking about someone? Wondering if you locked the door or shut off the gas for the OCD's, hell maybe OCDs should never drive?

      Anything as mundane and uninteresting as driving a slow speed limit of 65 in an area capable of handling 95 or a boring ass job, your mind will always SEEK diversions.

      You think regular driving is mundane? Try driving 6 hours straight, in the middle of the night, with little sleep, and see if you wouldn't LOVE the distraction of someone talking or a radio blaring. Course in that case you have the luxury of cruise control and only keeping yourself straight and few cars around you. Same applies for shorter distance still at night with cars around.

      Or maybe bumper to bumper traffic? You're not going fast enough you can't react but diversion would help keep road rage down a bit.

    13. Re:Cell Phone Vendetta by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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  10. Better driving skills by swilver · · Score: 4, Funny

    I wonder how many of those had a foreign driver's license.

    1. Re:Better driving skills by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I wonder how many of those had a foreign driver's license.

      Are you trying to say non US drivers are worse or better?
      I've heard plenty of people say non-US are better, but my limited experience in Spain, Italy and Greece says otherwise. The study suggests what I believe: where ever you have humans, you have huge steaming mounds of stupidity.

    2. Re:Better driving skills by RobVB · · Score: 1

      Are you trying to say non US drivers are worse or better?

      Yes, I believe he is.

      I've heard plenty of people say non-US are better, but my limited experience in Spain, Italy and Greece says otherwise.

      I'm going to chalk this one up to limited sample size: you picked the three countries known in Europe for their reckless drivers. I remember my dad driving 90 kmph on a 70 kmph road and other cars honking while flying past us at over 120 kmph. That said, I almost got hit by a raging lunatic driver today as well (in Belgium). The difference is that here in Belgium, I don't expect people to be raging lunatic drivers. In Italy, I hesitate to even get in a car.

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    3. Re:Better driving skills by Ironhandx · · Score: 1

      Obligatory Einstein quote:

      Two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.

    4. Re:Better driving skills by mirix · · Score: 1

      I don't know about that. Mediterranean drivers seem to drive like madmen, but they're focused madmen. I'll take that over the half comatose slob with a big mac and a cellphone, any day of the week.

      I love how there'll be someone going 50 in a 65 here, in the left lane... You blink them and they sit there like a dildo. That doesn't happen in south europe.

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    5. Re:Better driving skills by Idiomatick · · Score: 1

      In Italy I was told by a local. When you wish to cross a street without lights you must do so with conviction, without hesitation, and most importantly it requires courage.

    6. Re:Better driving skills by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder how many of those had a foreign driver's license.

      Are you trying to say non US drivers are worse or better?.

      In my experience, and this is anecdotal only, foreign drivers are indeed better drivers in the sense that on average, they are more skilled. However, they also tend to drive faster, accelerate and decelerate harder, and generally try to use smaller holes, so "more skilled" does not necessarily correspond to "safer." I would agree with the parent that it ends up being a wash.

    7. Re:Better driving skills by YeeHaW_Jelte · · Score: 1

      Yes, only in most developed countries you don't get a free license with a box of cereals.

      This creates some kind of a threshold for the most stupid specimens. E.g. here in the Netherlands, most people take at least 40 driving lessons (half hour each) and the number of people (just anecdotal evidence here) passing the exam in one try is less than half.

      Some people with no feeling for cars or driving just give up after 5 fails. Which is a good thing, I guess, as some people just shouldn't be on the road.

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    8. Re:Better driving skills by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      What would they do with his license? Unless they look foreign too... I don’t get it...

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  11. Sucks for "supertaskers" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a case of 39 out of 40 bad apples ruining it for the whole bunch by killing people. Supertasker or no, texting while driving should be illegal.

    1. Re:Sucks for "supertaskers" by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

          Most laws are to allow safety for the lowest subset of the population. If 2.5% of the population can do something safely, but 97.5% cannot, the law will reflect that the majority cannot and therefore will not do that action.

          We'll use another more obvious car analogy. I'm a good driver. I've been trained multiple times in advanced driving techniques for various purposes. I drive a very good and well tuned sports car.

          Someone I know had an almost identical car. I told him about this road that I ended up on, in the middle of nowhere. It was a bit winding, but not all that bad. I was cruising at about 60mph. He told me about losing control at 50mph on that exact road, and sliding off the road into a body of water. Road conditions were the same. The insurance company totaled his car because of the water damage. The next time I drove through there (like, a year later), I noted the speed limit was 45mph. At 50mph, it was too fast for him to drive in a similar car. At 50mph, it may be too fast for someone in a vehicle that doesn't handle as well. The first time on the road, I saw a small Honda going about 60, and almost lose control. His car was leaning about 15 degrees because he was cornering so hard. My car didn't lean at all.

          To make sure *EVERYONE* is safe on the road, they establish the rules so everyone can be safe. That's why speed limits get lowered in particular areas. That's why caution signs are put out on turns. And, that's why traffic lights are put out in low traffic areas that previously had stop signs. Hopefully those who aren't as attentive will notice a traffic light, versus a red sign on a post. Judging by other drivers behavior at stop signs, many are unskilled enough in traffic behavior to be able to negotiate even a simple 4 way stop.

         

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    2. Re:Sucks for "supertaskers" by Mr.+Freeman · · Score: 1

      That's America for you. Rather than require that people learn how to operate a car we prefer to simply lower the speed limit to absurdly slow speeds that no one obeys anyway (thus making things more dangerous), then put in stop lights and crosswalks that have flashing signs when people get killed, spend millions redesigning intersections to make them idiot proof, and then writing off the rest of the death and damage as "accidents".

      I like this country less and less every day.

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    3. Re:Sucks for "supertaskers" by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

          Actually, that's done world wide. There was an interesting thing in TV a couple weeks ago, where they were talking about the way they've been redesigning intersections in various countries to make their traffic safer. They've taken a lot of design hints from the US, to achieve better flow while increasing safety.

          The only American part of that was that we've been putting more time and research into it than a lot of countries. There are a lot of places that have pretty much lawless driving. You see a lot of it here, where immigrants outnumber Americans. Traffic signals and signs aren't really rules to follow, they are just a hint that there's an intersection. Lines on the road (if they exist) are just decorations.

          Laws like this are applied throughout our legal system too. That's why we have things like labels on everything that could potentially be bad for you. At some point, we passed the point of laws helping guide us, and have become the government being our caretaker. If you go read through your states laws, you'll see traffic law is a very small subset of them.

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  12. Current Slashdot Poll by c++0xFF · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think the current poll is informative here. While I suspect that the average IQ of a slashdot reader is indeed above average, The percentage of "super genius" is probably exaggerated.

    The lesson is that while 1/40th of the population falls under the "supertasker" category, the number that claim to be is much, much higher. My estimate would be 1/4th or more perceive themselves that way. And that's a dangerous perception to have.

    1. Re:Current Slashdot Poll by joggle · · Score: 1, Informative

      I don't even know if there's a correlation between 'supertaskers' and super geniuses.

      Back in high school I took a class that accepted only 28 students from the entire class of 450 (an advanced class for math and science). However, I don't recall anyone being especially good at driving and one was certainly absolutely awful, crashing 3 cars due to being distracted by conversations (in his case he would always want to face the person he was talking to--not a good thing if you're a passenger talking to him while he's driving). He was also one of the academically best students in the entire class.

      However, there certainly does seem to be a group of supertaskers that can easily handle talking on the phone while driving. I think the key is prioritizing. Some people focus too much on the conversation while driving at the cost of not paying enough attention to what's going on around them. Others will focus less on the conversation as needed while driving.

      On the other hand I don't see how anyone can drive and text safely since there is no way to text without at least briefly taking your eyes off the road, unless you can touch-type using your thumb I guess.

    2. Re:Current Slashdot Poll by molafson · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "The Dunning-Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which people reach erroneous conclusions and make unfortunate choices but their incompetence robs them of the metacognitive ability to realize it."

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

      "People tend to hold overly favorable views of their abilities in many social and intellectual domains. The authors suggest that this overestimation occurs, in part, because people who are unskilled in these domains suffer a dual burden: Not only do these people reach erroneous conclusions and make unfortunate choices, but their incompetence robs them of the metacognitive ability to realize it."

      http://psycnet.apa.org/?fa=main.doiLanding&doi=10.1037/0022-3514.77.6.1121

       

    3. Re:Current Slashdot Poll by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The Dunning-Kruger effect has been running this country for decades.

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    4. Re:Current Slashdot Poll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A simple test practical test: chainsaw carving while texting, if you keep your fingers you get to keep texting.

    5. Re:Current Slashdot Poll by FreeUser · · Score: 1

      The lesson is that while 1/40th of the population falls under the "supertasker" category, the number that claim to be is much, much higher. My estimate would be 1/4th or more perceive themselves that way. And that's a dangerous perception to have.

      The assumption is that these 1 in 40 "supertaskers" are competent drivers when not talking on the phone (or, deity forbid, texting). It seems more likely they are crap drivers under normal conditions, and remain just as shitty behind the wheel while on the phone.

      I've seen sober people who drive like their drunk...not because they have some immunity to alcohol, but because they are such completely incompetent drivers that, frankly, alcohol doesn't make a great deal of difference in their case.

      "Supertaskers" ... yeah, right.

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    6. Re:Current Slashdot Poll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I for one am NOT a supertasker. Driving with a phone and it is either one or the other. And cruising around with a couple tons of metal and plastic and liquids well...

      'why dont you answer your phone' 'I was driving' 'well you should answer it' 'would you rather I make it here or tell you I will be there in 10 minutes?'

      Not only do people want you to always be in touch. The expect you to answer your phone at all times. That phone is for *MY* convenience not yours.

    7. Re:Current Slashdot Poll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The Dunning-Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which people reach erroneous conclusions and make unfortunate choices but their incompetence robs them of the metacognitive ability to realize it."

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

      "People tend to hold overly favorable views of their abilities in many social and intellectual domains. The authors suggest that this overestimation occurs, in part, because people who are unskilled in these domains suffer a dual burden: Not only do these people reach erroneous conclusions and make unfortunate choices, but their incompetence robs them of the metacognitive ability to realize it."

      http://psycnet.apa.org/?fa=main.doiLanding&doi=10.1037/0022-3514.77.6.1121

      ignorance is bliss?

    8. Re:Current Slashdot Poll by jackbird · · Score: 1

      That Psychnet article has the best lead-in I've ever seen in a peer-reviewed publication. It's too bad it's behind a paywall.

    9. Re:Current Slashdot Poll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Dunning-Kruger effect has been running this country for decades.

      s/country/planet
      s/decades/millenia

    10. Re:Current Slashdot Poll by jaden · · Score: 1

      c'mon... no trailing slash ? kids today.

    11. Re:Current Slashdot Poll by wall0159 · · Score: 1

      Centuries, actually ;-)

    12. Re:Current Slashdot Poll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which was Republican and which Democrat?

  13. I dislike the legislative approach by einhverfr · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Let's face it: nobody is willing to say "no phone use at all" while driving. So we have an entirely ineffective compromise which requires hands-free devices. This is a great way to pretend to do something while not actually doing any of it.

    However, far worse, I think there is another factor here: If avoid all distractions while driving on a long trip one of two things will get you: highway hypnosis (a real form of hypnosis sometimes including post-hypnotic amnesia) or your brain will make up its own distractions. Really, has anyone here not had the experience of driving somewhere, getting there, and realizing that there is a chunk of time missing in your memory for part of the drive? While it is profoundly stupid to talk on the phone while navigating through a school zone crowded with students just released from school and their parents picking them up, I am not sure one can make a case that it is a net safety hazard to use a cell phone (hands-free or otherwise) driving down he freeway in the middle of nowhere. In fact, insofar as it prevents more dangerous hypnotic states from developing, it might be a net safety win to talk on the phone.

    A much better approach would be to ban all use of cell phones while driving through residential and school zones, ban most cell use while elsewhere within city limits, and allow driving and talking on the phone on open roads in the country. That's not a popular view tough.

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    1. Re:I dislike the legislative approach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's face it: nobody is willing to say "no phone use at all" while driving. So we have an entirely ineffective compromise which requires hands-free devices. This is a great way to pretend to do something while not actually doing any of it.

      The other day, I've seen some idiot block three cars behind him at a stop sign in a shopping center while he was texting and oblivious to them all. There were parking spaces about but he had to take up space in a trafficked zone for whatever reason. If it's that important, given everyone else a break and pull over.

      People's self-entitled attitude toward handheld devices while on the road where lives can be lost within seconds somehow just ticks me off.

      A much better approach would be to ban all use of cell phones while driving through residential and school zones, ban most cell use while elsewhere within city limits, and allow driving and talking on the phone on open roads in the country. That's not a popular view tough.

      It shouldn't be. Many rural roads don't have sidewalks. At least residential and schools usually do.

    2. Re:I dislike the legislative approach by corbettw · · Score: 1

      While it is profoundly stupid to talk on the phone while navigating through a school zone crowded with students just released from school and their parents picking them up

      I don't know if it's stupid, but it is somewhat sporting. After all, if you aren't paying attention, you might miss a few of them.

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    3. Re:I dislike the legislative approach by LordLucless · · Score: 1

      While it is profoundly stupid to talk on the phone while navigating through a school zone crowded with students just released from school and their parents picking them up, I am not sure one can make a case that it is a net safety hazard to use a cell phone (hands-free or otherwise) driving down he freeway in the middle of nowhere.

      I actually find the reverse. Here in Aus, the speed limits near schools are 40k/h (25mph). When driving near schools, I'm going so slowly that stuff like instant awareness and reaction speed isn't as necessary as when I'm belting down the highway at 110.

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    4. Re:I dislike the legislative approach by steelfood · · Score: 1

      I think hands free is a good compromise. If your Toyota suddenly accelerates out of control, your other hand wouldn't be too busy holding your phone to put your car into neutral.

      It's far safer to drive with both hands unoccupied than just one hand. The second hand isn't always occupied, but in the few situations when you do need to use it, you really do.

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    5. Re:I dislike the legislative approach by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      Let's face it: nobody is willing to say "no phone use at all" while driving. So we have an entirely ineffective compromise which requires hands-free devices. This is a great way to pretend to do something while not actually doing any of it.

      Because 'no phone use at all' is retarded. If you're going to allow passengers to talk in the car, hands free is pretty much the same thing. The driver can ignore both if they are capable doing so, but most aren't. If you're not going to allow using a phone because its unsafe, fine, but passengers can't talk either. Seriously, go look at the states about accidents and number of passengers in the car, you'll find FAR more correlation there than you will regarding cell phones.

      Really, has anyone here not had the experience of driving somewhere, getting there, and realizing that there is a chunk of time missing in your memory for part of the drive?

      This is a well known phenomena and happens with pretty much everything. You don't remember large sections of that particular drive because your brain throws them out as irrelevant daily events that are of no value to it. It has nothing to do with driving or the highway and is simply one of the methods our minds use to cope with the massive amounts of data it processes continually.

      In fact, insofar as it prevents more dangerous hypnotic states from developing, it might be a net safety win to talk on the phone.

      There is no hypnotic state, just your misinterpreting of whats actually happening in your mind.

      You can't fix shitty drivers by making more laws for them to obey while driving, they are already incapable of dealing with the existing requirements of driving, adding more complexity won't fix it. The solution is to require drivers actually have the ability to drive, rather than allowing anyone who can make it to the DMV to get a license.

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    6. Re:I dislike the legislative approach by inigopete · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Banning all" and "allowing" are fine legal positions - to "ban most cell use" is a very dodgy grey area hard to define or defend.

    7. Re:I dislike the legislative approach by curunir · · Score: 1

      Rather than legislate people's behavior, which invariably will lead to spotty enforcement and is unlikely to have a significant impact, we should be legislating the features of new vehicles. It's much easier to ensure that every vehicle sold in this country has a built-in hands-free interface, either using voice recognition or buttons on the steering wheel. We'd also want to include provisions that all cell phones are compliant, which would mean next to nothing today (since pretty much every cell phone that's currently sold supports Bluetooth) but would ensure that phones would be backwards compatible with cars.

      We've already created safety standards that the auto industry must comply with to sell vehicles, why not amend those standards to deal with the cell phone issue since it will make vehicles safer?

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    8. Re:I dislike the legislative approach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, plenty of people are willing to say no phone while driving.

      For example, British Petroleum has an engine on, phone off policy for all its company vehicles worldwide, whether you're a driver or a passenger.

    9. Re:I dislike the legislative approach by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      If you're going to allow passengers to talk in the car, hands free is pretty much the same thing.

      No, it's not. Every study I've ever seen indicates that talking on a hands free set is just as distracting and likely to cause a crash as talking on a handset. To ban one but not the other is illogical. They have the same risk. If the risk is unacceptable, then both should be gone. Anything else is a compromise to lull drivers into thinking they are safer when they are not.

      There is no hypnotic state, just your misinterpreting of whats actually happening in your mind.

      I'd like to know where you came up with that one. Did you read it somewhere, or just make it up because it sounds like what you want reality to be?

    10. Re:I dislike the legislative approach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll happily say "no phone use at all while driving".

    11. Re:I dislike the legislative approach by raddan · · Score: 1

      The right conclusion to draw is that humans are bad at driving, period. Putting a human behind a wheel in any state is taking a risk, with some humans being riskier than others.

      Since we're talking about cars, we obviously need a code analogy. So it's like when your program runs slow, you optimize the worst stuff first. You try to pick the thing that is orders of magnitude slower than the other things, because spending time on those other things will only have a small effect. With cars, fixing the thing that causes the most accidents means removing human operators.

    12. Re:I dislike the legislative approach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      While it is profoundly stupid to talk on the phone while navigating through a school zone crowded with students just released from school and their parents picking them up, I am not sure one can make a case that it is a net safety hazard to use a cell phone (hands-free or otherwise) driving down he freeway in the middle of nowhere. In fact, insofar as it prevents more dangerous hypnotic states from developing, it might be a net safety win to talk on the phone.

      No phone necessary. All you need is an AM radio tuned to Rush Limbaugh. Love him or hate him, he will keep you awake. Me, I gotta love him and Clear Channel, because they have probably saved my life several times.

    13. Re:I dislike the legislative approach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We've had a ban on talking on cell phones (other than hands-free) while driving here in Ontario for probably nearing a year now. While I would assume this has made the roads safer (and the hands-free salesmen rich), I haven't heard of anyone being charged for this as a crime yet.

    14. Re:I dislike the legislative approach by bigdavex · · Score: 1

      Let's face it: nobody is willing to say "no phone use at all" while driving.

      I'm willing to say that.

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    15. Re:I dislike the legislative approach by spmkk · · Score: 1

      "The other day, I've seen some idiot..."

      Jesus Bastard Christ - is that what's become of the English language since the U.S. gained its independence?

    16. Re:I dislike the legislative approach by einhverfr · · Score: 1

      I'll happily say "no phone use at all while driving".

      Is this a blanket ban? Does it apply to similar technologies too? Does it apply to law enforcement?

      If police can have cell phones they can answer while driving the rest of us should too.

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    17. Re:I dislike the legislative approach by einhverfr · · Score: 1

      Does this mean no two-way radio for police while they are driving?

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    18. Re:I dislike the legislative approach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, it isn't very often you see someone admit they are a nobody.

    19. Re:I dislike the legislative approach by corychristison · · Score: 1

      I am of the same mind.

      Where I live (Saskatchewan, Canada) it's illegal to talk, text, e-mail or browse the web while driving. Getting caught results in a $260 ticket and 4 demerits off your drivers license (which also increases your insurance).

      I drive for a living at the moment (90% highway). Generally anywhere from 8-16 hours a day. There are days I find myself picking up my phone to check the time simply to distract myself or 'wake' myself up, even though there is a clock in the dash I can see in plain sight. I'm not /really/ checking the time, I'm trying to get some kind of spark going in my brain.

      The ban is retarded. I can read a text generally in less than 2 seconds (140 characters is really easy to read quickly) and send a response without looking at my phone. There is the odd time I spell something wrong but it's usually to my wife or my boss, and they can figure it out or say "WTF does '(enter wrong word here)' mean?" and I'll correct myself. I don't find that texting is distracting at all.

      I don't talk on the phone or text while I'm in the(/a) city. There are too many cars and too many obstacles (stop signs), constantly slowing down and speeding up, cars pulling out or parking spots, etc. etc. On the highway, however, there are days I see very few vehicles out on the road (I work in a lot of rural areas). Literally less than 30 cars (outside of towns/cities) a day in a 10-12 or 14-16 hour day. 30 other cars. The chance of me somehow not realizing they are there is next to impossible... driving around with no-one in sight for hours on end can make you feel alone. Talking on the phone helps that significantly. Hell, even texting helps. It makes me feel like more than just another drone performing a pre-programmed task that. I feel that quite often when I'm hours away from my home and family. Even a simple "how is your day going?" from my wife can birghten me up and put me in a much better mood.

      I don't know how these veteran truckers do it for 20, 30, or even 40+ years. I've been doing it for 2 years and am already figuring out my exit plan.

    20. Re:I dislike the legislative approach by upuv · · Score: 1

      NO PHONE USE AT ALL WHILE DRIVING.

      USING A PHONE WHILE DRIVING IN ANY WAY IS MORONIC.

      YOU ARE A SELFISH JERK IF YOU USE A PHONE WHILE DRIVING.

      IT SHOULD BE PUNISHABLE AS HARSHLY AS DRINK DRIVING.

      How else can I scream this. Seriously it kills people. No justification works. PERIOD. We somehow managed for decades with out mobile phones while driving.

      Have I ever used a phone while driving? No.
      Have I missed out on something because of it? No.
      Have I lost business because of not using a phone while driving? Maybe.
      Am I poorer because I do not use a phone while driving? No.
      Have I killed anyone while using the phone while driving? NO.

    21. Re:I dislike the legislative approach by upuv · · Score: 1

      "In fact, insofar as it prevents more dangerous hypnotic states from developing".

      Are you serious? If this is an issue for you stop driving that second it's simple. I DO.

      If you are suffering from a "hypnotic state" while operating a metal weapon at any time and you continue to operate the weapon you are committing a crime of attempted homicide.

      If you get sleepy. Pull over pick up the phone call mom have a good heart to heart. Grab a cup of coffee. Go drain the bladder saving your self from issues later in life. Grab a nap if you have to.

      You seem to think it's OK to use a distraction to prevent a state of incapacitation as if it brings you back to a normal state of control and awareness. It's your fault for making plans for a road trip that prevent you from being able to execute it safely. Again your negligence.

      People who try to justify phone use and driving by bringing up this utter garbage are self delusional.

      It all sorta sounds like this: 'Yah I only use a small amount of "junk" to relax me before I drive it makes my movements more fluid and predicable. You know natural.' Which clearly is BS talk.

    22. Re:I dislike the legislative approach by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

      If [you] avoid all distractions while driving on a long trip one of two things will get you: highway hypnosis (a real form of hypnosis sometimes including post-hypnotic amnesia) or your brain will make up its own distractions. Really, has anyone here not had the experience of driving somewhere, getting there, and realizing that there is a chunk of time missing in your memory for part of the drive?

      No, I haven't. Of course, that might have had something to do with taking periodic breaks at those places they set up on the sides of highways specifically to help people not get highway hypnosis.

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    23. Re:I dislike the legislative approach by bigdavex · · Score: 1

      Does this mean no two-way radio for police while they are driving?

      I think that would be OK for purposes of deploying and coordinating those policemen in emergency situations, in the same way it's OK for them to run red lights under those circumstances.

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    24. Re:I dislike the legislative approach by einhverfr · · Score: 1

      I think that would be OK for purposes of deploying and coordinating those policemen in emergency situations, in the same way it's OK for them to run red lights under those circumstances.

      So only for emergency situations where they are allowed to disregard traffic laws otherwise? IOW, to talk on the radio absent such a situation, they have to pull over?

      Sure.... That has a chance of passing....

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    25. Re:I dislike the legislative approach by einhverfr · · Score: 1

      So: do you think police officers should get a free pass in non-emergency situations? If a dispatch request comes in and it is not flagged 'EMERGENCY' should the officer have to pull over in order to confirm that he is going to be en route?

      Honestly, the statistics out so far is that cell phone bans do not reduce accident rates. Texting bans might just because it is a lot more awkward to text. However, with a standard speakerphone, I have a hard time imagining that cell phone usage is much more dangerous than either talk radio or interactive foreign language courses neither of which is anyone attempting to ban (and for a number of good reasons).

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    26. Re:I dislike the legislative approach by bigdavex · · Score: 1

      So only for emergency situations where they are allowed to disregard traffic laws otherwise? IOW, to talk on the radio absent such a situation, they have to pull over?

      Sure.... That has a chance of passing....

      I'm not responsible for other people's opinions. What difference does it make, anyway? Lots of cops abuse their use of lights and sirens. If it was illegal for them to talk on the radio or phone for low-priority items while driving, I'm sure they'd still do that, too. If the safety risk of conversing on the phone or radio is anywhere near the safety risk of speeding (and it is), then it doesn't make much sense to hire people to drive around conversing on the phone or radio about how to catch speeders.

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    27. Re:I dislike the legislative approach by upuv · · Score: 1

      A police officer is specifically trained to operate a vehicle in ways we as normal people are not. They are specifically trained with observational techniques to aid in their job. The normal person out there is not. I have no expectation that a Police officer or any emergency worker trained to operate a vehicle under extreme situations would have to stop and pull over.

      So please don't try the pathetic attempt to equate your driver skills with a trained professional.

      I live in a place where such a ban is in place. The problem is the ban is toothless. It has not changed the number of drivers using phones at all. A ban is only as good as the enforcement. Politically it is not very attractive to be handing out tickets to a large percentage of the population.

    28. Re:I dislike the legislative approach by einhverfr · · Score: 1

      So please don't try the pathetic attempt to equate your driver skills with a trained professional.

      I live in a place where such a ban is in place. The problem is the ban is toothless. It has not changed the number of drivers using phones at all. A ban is only as good as the enforcement. Politically it is not very attractive to be handing out tickets to a large percentage of the population.

      My state now requires formal training for commercial vehicle permits. I would think truck drivers would hence qualify as "trained professionals."

      However, do I understand your concern as one which would suggest that individuals should be allowed to complete training and get a "cell phone use" endorsement on their drivers' licenses?

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    29. Re:I dislike the legislative approach by upuv · · Score: 1

      LOL you are still trying.

      So a cops driver training is the same as a truck drivers? I don't think so. Of course a truck driver is a trained professional. A professional truck driver to be precise. I don't recall air brakes being part of Police driver training.

      It's interesting how you attempt to put words in my mouth. Or rather take them out. How is a truck driver an emergency worker?

      I actually believe that permission to use a communications device while driving is a function of requirement to use it. Police/Fire/Ambulance personal clearly require the ability to communicate while driving.

    30. Re:I dislike the legislative approach by einhverfr · · Score: 1

      Truck drivers have been using CB two-way radios for quite some time. While texting is a different issue (and I do support a ban there), I don't understand how CB radio would be different, re accident rates than a cell phone call on speakerphone.

      Is there any evidence that banning CB radios would actually make our roads safer? Or do we allow such radios just because they aren't "phones?"

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  14. I haven't gotten into an accident yet by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    And I occaisonally text while driving. Not usually phone calls, which seems a little ridiculous, I know.

    I don't know if I'd call "Not being a dumb ass" as super-tasking.

    It basically works like this:
    #1 Keep your eyes where they are supposed to be. If you are in rush hour traffic, you've got a car in front of you. Keep your eyes on that car. Pull up the phone, hold it over your steering wheel so you can see both the phone and the car in front of you.

    #2, don't be talking, don't be texting, don't be looking at anything else but where you need to be when Either Changing lanes, Turning, or reversing.

    #3 I hope you've memorized your T9 or have good 1 handed touch-phone capabilites, because those are nice abilities to have. In fact, with a small enough flip phone, you can just flip it open over the steering wheel to read the message, while driving. Then, left hand on the wheel, bring the right hand with the phone down by your lap. You press the reply button, start texting your T9 you have memorized, like typing at a keyboad without looking at the keys. Press send. Close the phone, put it on the seat next to you.

    Oh yeah, and I drive a standard, to add to the mix, but thats as simple as knowing when you can stay in a gear for while, and not texting when you'll need to shift.

    1. Re:I haven't gotten into an accident yet by Neil+Blender · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The keyword is "yet".

      I didn't get pulled over a single time until I was 38, yet I probably broke every traffic rule in the book.

    2. Re:I haven't gotten into an accident yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps you've just been lucky enough to have vigilant motorists around you.

    3. Re:I haven't gotten into an accident yet by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 1

      I don't know if I'd call "Not being a dumb ass" as super-tasking.

      Pretty much. I wouldn't trust myself to text and drive, but talking and driving, while still being able to focus on what's going on the road, is not fucking hard. I do think hands-free devices are useful, because you remove the temptation to focus on "not dropping my phone" rather than driving, but other than that it's really damn trivial. I have no idea how people have so much trouble with this.

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    4. Re:I haven't gotten into an accident yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pull up the phone, hold it over your steering wheel so you can see both the phone and the car in front of you.

      Unless you're trained in multitasking, this doesn't work. The routine task will be pushed into the background by the shorter, more immediate task. Your focus will be on the cellphone. You have to actively work against this normal cognitive behavior, otherwise, even though the other car is in your field of view, it might as well not be there. The same effect can happen between two different senses (or even your mind and your senses, when your mind "wanders"), but remaining focused on the less interesting of two concurrent visual inputs is particularly hard.

      Like others wrote: You've been lucky. Accident rates are not so high with cellphones that texting while driving guarantees a crash within a few years. They're just very clearly higher than without cellphones.

    5. Re:I haven't gotten into an accident yet by upuv · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This was probably bait but I took it.

      If you honestly believe you have a system for using the phone safely while driving you are far dumber than you think you are. While your attention is on the phone at any time your attention is not fully on anything else. Thus you loose situational awareness. Thus when you return your attention to driving your brain has to process a huge chunk of information to catch up. If you are task flipping your brain will start to devalue lesser pieces of information.

      For example a kid riding a bike on a side walk. You will devalue that in your brain in order to concentrate vehicles on the road. You won't have a full picture of what the kid was doing previously. For example he could have show previously that he had poor balance and wobbled a lot. You didn't see it because you were texting. All of a sudden this kid falls onto the road in front of you. Your fine but now the kid is in hospital. Technically it was the kids fault but really it was your dumb ass brain that was at fault. You did not have a full situational aware that you would have easily had, had you just kept your eyes on the task of driving.

      Using a phone while driving is dangerous period.

    6. Re:I haven't gotten into an accident yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me summarize your post for those who don't want to wade through it:
      "won't someone think of the children"

      You're a twit.

    7. Re:I haven't gotten into an accident yet by SwedishPenguin · · Score: 1

      Not running kids over is not part of the whole "won't someone think of the children" culture, it's common sense.

    8. Re:I haven't gotten into an accident yet by bm_luethke · · Score: 1

      Very true - I do not care how much of a super-tasker you are when your focus shifts - it well shifts.

      I can talk just fine with my cell - I can do so nearly as good as when someone else is in the care with me (I would be more interested in why those are different, though I have my own theories), yet you can not dial, press the answer, and all sorts of other actions without removing focus (and texting - really? Someone thinks they can text with no imparement?). I can fiddle with the radio and do so from time to time, yet I know how much that distracts from driving and few argue that, yet is is many time less than actions taken on the cell phone. I drive a manual and still find the ability to manage which hand is doing what during a conversation OK - indeed I've played more than one online game just fine whilst doing the same thing - while the consequences aren't near as large the concentration needed is MUCH higher.

      It is nothing more than you are placing yourself in a position where you *can not* be aware of what is going on around you. Your peripheral vision is only so good no matter who you are, while the OP's advice is good if you are determined to do something dangerous, it is sorta like saying helmets, shoulder pads, and all the other safety equipment is a Good Thing when playing Football - yep, but you are still taking a high risk of serious damage to your body and long term you aren't going to avoid it all. It may *minimize* said risk, but it doesn't remotely alleviate it.

      Further a lot of it amounts to what situation you are in - most of the time a 5% degradation in ability is irrelevant - other times not so much. Personally while I feel my ability isn't impaired that much I just avoid it anyway. The energies involved in a wreck are just so high that I avoid something that easy. Yea, I still answer the damn thing from certain numbers (setting ring tones based on numbers helps there quite a bit) but even then I will somwties ignore them. I know some get irritated by the delay of me calling back no more than five minutes later (for certain rings I pull over at the first spot - 10 for others), but I figure the contiued support for thier call from a living person person is more important than the 30 seconds to five minutes before I can find a nice place to pull over.

      But hey, maybe I'm not in those top categories and they can write code, fly an airplane, and solve world hunger all at the the same time. I just wish they would get one with the potential they have and quit goofing off. Until then I will assume that they aren't 10x better than the best we can find (they are just hiding - no one wants that type of recognition).

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    9. Re:I haven't gotten into an accident yet by Aceticon · · Score: 1

      Most people seem to have little situation awareness while driving even when fully concentrating on driving.

  15. Study is largely only of US importance by gilesjuk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Problem is this study will be shown to be proof worldwide when there are big differences between the US and other countries when it comes to driving and cars.

    In the UK we're mostly manual transmission drivers. An auto is easier to drive when holding a phone, but try holding a phone, steering and changing gear at the same time!!

    1. Re:Study is largely only of US importance by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 1

      LoL. Admittedly, its easy to hold a conversation, but I can't shift gears while texting with my right hand. I just set it down on the passenger seat real quick while needing to shift.

    2. Re:Study is largely only of US importance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Problem is this study will be shown to be proof worldwide when there are big differences between the US and other countries when it comes to driving and cars. In the UK we're mostly manual transmission drivers. An auto is easier to drive when holding a phone, but try holding a phone, steering and changing gear at the same time!!

      The problem is not reading the summary closely. It says, "hand-free".

    3. Re:Study is largely only of US importance by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      In the UK we're mostly manual transmission drivers. I take then that you haven't had any problems with Toyotas suddenly accelerating out of control... a situation easily avoided by merely pushing down on the clutch pedal!

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    4. Re:Study is largely only of US importance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not about hands, it's about brains. That's why hands-free phones aren't safer, and even having a passenger talk to me, makes me a worse driver. If I need to max awareness, I can't be talking. I can shift, smoke, eat a chili dog, signal a left turn, and shift. It's comical-looking juggling, but my brain can handle it; it's when I talk that I turn into an idiot.

    5. Re:Study is largely only of US importance by M8e · · Score: 1

      Text with the left hand and steer with your knees, problem solved.

    6. Re:Study is largely only of US importance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hehehe, these pinko commie Euro neanderthals have never seen hand-free bluetooth gizmos integrated into the car.

    7. Re:Study is largely only of US importance by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 1

      but try holding a phone, steering and changing gear at the same time!!

      That's nothing, do all that while eating a burger and shaving and I'll be impressed.

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    8. Re:Study is largely only of US importance by jaavaaguru · · Score: 1

      How do you hold the cheeseburger then? I thought that's what the left hand was for.

    9. Re:Study is largely only of US importance by jaavaaguru · · Score: 1

      And equally easily solved in the automatic transmission ones by putting it into neutral.

    10. Re:Study is largely only of US importance by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Not necessarily. Some automatic transmissions won't let you shift when you are traveling at highway speeds, to prevent you from doing nasty things like accidentally shifting into reverse while on the freeway.

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    11. Re:Study is largely only of US importance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Been there, done that, it's not all that hard. Certainly no harder than talking on a cellphone, eating an ice cream, and looking at a map while driving, which, while I haven't done it, I've been in the car with someone who was...

  16. Open Season by Un+pobre+guey · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Great. Now every dipshit who thinks he is one of the 1 in 40 supposed "supertaskers" will feel he is entitled to fully express his inner idiot. Great. I'll bet that a few months or years from now this will be shown to actually be the crock of shit it sounds like.

    1. Re:Open Season by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 1

      The next big study will show that 95% of people think they are one of the 1 in 40 "Supertaskers".

      I actually found this more damning than some people did.

      What the study is basically saying is that only one person in forty can drive safely while talking. Obviously one study isn't enough, but figures like that should be good enough to ban all cell phone usage while driving, given that those 39 people out of 40 who are unsafe are allowed to talk and drive presently.

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    2. Re:Open Season by rothic · · Score: 1

      Just because something has a potentially unpleasant result doesn't make it untrue.

    3. Re:Open Season by Un+pobre+guey · · Score: 1

      I don't think it is untrue because it has a potentially unpleasant outcome. I think it is BS on its own merits.

  17. Happy April 1 everybody by MichaelSmith · · Score: 0

    EOM

  18. Walking and _____ing at the same time. by CODiNE · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I saw this teenager once shooting hoops while talking on his cell phone. For about five minutes he just kept at it, didn't miss a shot, didn't pause talking while doing a jumpshot or anything. Someone else started using the same hoop, no sweat, didn't even have to wait just perfectly synchronized with the other kid.

    Damn.

    1 in 40. Not me.

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    1. Re:Walking and _____ing at the same time. by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      Its easy when you're young. The older you get, the harder it gets.

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    2. Re:Walking and _____ing at the same time. by noidentity · · Score: 1

      And then there was the lady checking out at the grocery store before me, talking on her cellphone. She kept taking ten seconds or so to do each step of the credit card transaction, due to not paying attention. I hope I'm never near her while she's driving and talking.

  19. Ambulance by Ceiynt · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You wanna see super taskers, look at an ambulance that's driving with it's lights and sirens on. We would clear an intersection, zip around traffic, talk on the radio, plug in addresses into GPS, and eat our lunch all at the same time, while trying to provide a smooth ride for the people in back doing CPR and handling sharp pointy objects.

    1. Re:Ambulance by DerekLyons · · Score: 3, Informative

      That's not necessarily a supertasker - that's being well trained and experienced.

    2. Re:Ambulance by RobVB · · Score: 1

      Ambulances (while doing the work that requires frantic multitasking) have lights and sirens, though, which makes a big difference. People are (generally) very attentive and get-out-of-the-way-like towards them. Nobody expects them to stop for a pedestrian crossing, for example.

      Idiots who text while driving don't have those obvious warning signs. Perhaps they should?

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    3. Re:Ambulance by maxume · · Score: 1

      Does the guy on the other end of the radio get pissed off that you are talking with your mouth full?

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    4. Re:Ambulance by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      Ahhh ... its happening already ... someone who thinks he's the 1 in 40 rather than realizing he's just not a statistic/blood splatter.

      I guess you were the special one and that the 40 or so other people you worked with weren't supertaskers ... how did they do pretty much the same thing you do without being a supertasker?

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    5. Re:Ambulance by silanea · · Score: 1

      I concur. Using emergency services as an example for natural "supertaskers" misses the point. You already pointed out training. Another aspect is that such personnel is following given - and usually rather simple - protocols and operating (at least ideally) with their focus on their surroundings, since they know that what they are doing is dangerous.

      I regularly run as First Responder, and my experience is that using a radio while hurrying through rush-hour traffic with the siren at full blast is child's play compared to talking on the phone while driving leisurely down the freeway, hands-free or not. I know what intructions to expect and how to respond, and I usually do not exchange more than five or six words at a time with the dispatcher. In a phone call, on the other hand, people tend to just flood you with information in a conversation, and they expect complex and probably unforeseen responses from you. This makes a huge difference, at least for me. I do not mind operating the radio while driving, but I usually leave even the GPS to my co-driver - even trying to make sense of what that bloody thing is trying to tell me on its small display is an enormous distraction.

      So no, as much as I like to think of us as naturally superior drivers I am afraid we simply have more training and higher awareness to keep us from killing ourselves and the people around us.

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    6. Re:Ambulance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you even understand the post you're replying to? Nothing in there implies that his co-workers were not equally good at multitasking. If you had to do it every minute of your working day, you might also become such a good multitasker.

    7. Re:Ambulance by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      I was more thinking back on my experience as a submariner in the USN, but you pretty much covered what I was thinking. Specialized environment, high situational awareness, limited menu of options, defined procedures and protocols, training, experience - that pretty much describes the situation on the boats too.
       
      I suspect, based on that experience, that practically anyone can emulate a supertasker in such environments - but that shouldn't be mistaken for actually being one. (Though both professions probably by their very nature filter out the lower half of the bell curve.)

    8. Re:Ambulance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's to say these people *weren't* essentially trained and experienced by virtue of repeated practice, regardless of the good sense of it?

    9. Re:Ambulance by Shadowlore · · Score: 1

      Which should demonstrate the sever disservice our "driver's ed" programs and expectations are. Mechanized units in the military are the same way. We could eat, navigate rough terrain, pay attention to up to four radios plus the other people in the car and be on the lookout for the enemy all at the same time. Sometimes you'd add engaging the enemy into that. Talking on a phone while driving a car in traffic? Pfft. Child's play.

      We have these things called "reckless driving" laws. When you are being reckless, you get busted. It used to be you could go to court and either prove you were not being reckless (good luck) or fail to or admit to it and pay your fine.

      But no, now we want things so simple that we have to specify things that are not always reckless, while ignoring things that are. We don't make a law that says "doing cookies (sometimes known as doughnuts) in parking lots or in traffic is dangerous and thus banned", we have the cop cite or arrest for reckless driving. If a cop can't tell the difference between being reckless and not being reckless either it isn't reckless or the cop needs better training and experience.

      I did a year long experiment where I kept the radio off in my car. Did I drive better? Well I can't quantify it because I didn't get into accidents or such activities before or during. I did feel more aware of my surroundings however. I bet money there are studies that show that your impairment while listening to the radio is "more dangerous". Indeed I've seen them claiming we should be listening to calm music because "active" music makes us drive faster. And studies that show that listening to soft music makes us more sedate and less alert and responsive.

      How about we raise the level of ability of our species and train our drivers (of all ages) better? And leave situational things to the people on the street, as it were?

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    10. Re:Ambulance by SheeEttin · · Score: 1

      That's impressive, but dare I ask when you go to the bathroom?

    11. Re:Ambulance by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      Talking on a phone while driving a car in traffic? Pfft. Child's play.

      Child's play to someone with that level of training. Not to Joe Sixpack.
       
      As for the rest of your comment, I don't know how to answer. It just gets even more nonsensical as it goes on.

  20. Great. by straponego · · Score: 2, Insightful

    98% of people will believe they're in the 2% who can "supertask".

    1. Re:Great. by Kozz · · Score: 1

      There's lies, damned lies, statistics... and people who really don't know math.

      That reminds me. I was at a very fine Java conference over the weekend in February. The session speaker talked about "hacking your brain" and mentioned lots of pop-psych stuff. He asked if we'd heard of the Lake Wobegon Effect. Then he asked how many of us in the room thought we were above-average drivers. Knowing where this was leading, I went ahead and raised my hand, as did about 80% of the room.

      Knowing something about me from a previous comment, the speaker asks me, "You're a math guy. So, is it really possible that everyone who raised their hand is an above-average driver?" I hesitated for a moment, trying to decide whether to embarrass him with the truth, or remain silent. He seized the silence and answered himself, "No, of course not."

      I exchanged bemused glances with the attendee next to me who clearly caught me smirking. Yet this speaker is an adjunct at a University in Minnesota with a Comp Sci background. How quickly even the most intelligent forget or mis-remember.

      [homework for the confused: suppose ten people take a test. nine score 90%. one scores 60%. what percent of the ten people scored above average?]

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  21. I am a supertasker by locopuyo · · Score: 1

    I think it is safe to say I am a supertasker. I have over 100 APM in StarCraft 2 and am ranked 3rd in Platinum ladder. I have 4 monitors connected to my PC and use them all at the same time running many programs, viewing many pages etc. I still try to avoid phoning while driving though.

    1. Re:I am a supertasker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was going to say that Starcraft is probably a great way to train supertasking. Time to install.

  22. Finally, an advantage! by Locke2005 · · Score: 0

    So people with ADHD are just as safe driving either while talking or not while talking on their cellphones? Couldn't this be interpreted as "they suck so badly at driving that talking on the phone can't possibly make them any worse"?

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    1. Re:Finally, an advantage! by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      ADHD is a myth. Much like the 1 in 40 are supertaskers.

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    2. Re:Finally, an advantage! by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      ADHD is not a myth; my daughter has it. What is a myth is the belief that it is in any way abnormal or a disadvantage. One of the ways the doctor described it was an inability to filter out sensory input. I've been that way my entire life; it's the reason I'm uncomfortable in crowds. But I tend to notice things that nobody else does, and I was the smartest kid in my school and National Merit Scholarship Finalist. I believe ADHD should be the norm; if you're walking through the jungle engrossed in conversation with a friend, being suddenly distracted by a glimpse of a jaguar in a tree is an evolutionary advantage; not a disadvantage. Perhaps it is the people that successfully ignore 95% of their environment that are flawed. My daughter is awake and aware and lives in the now 100% of the time. From a Buddhist perspective, she is much more enlightened than the adults that are criticizing her.

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    3. Re:Finally, an advantage! by Sarten-X · · Score: 1

      First, judging from your other posts in this discussion, you're an idiot. I sincerely hope it's just a good acting job.

      Second, ADHD is not a myth. There are many varying degrees of ADHD, and some are able to be controlled fully without medication. There are many people who are diagnosed to appease parents, and many people who go undiagnosed. That makes it very hard for anyone to judge what is a "disorder" compared to what is just "different."

      I was diagnosed with ADHD about 12 years ago, and have been off medication for 6. I've spent the last decade training myself to be able to concentrate on a single task, and it's still very hard. I fought it for years, before I finally began to adapt. Now, my office desk has several toys on it, to give my hands something to do. There's a half-dozen pens (which haven't worked in a long time) simply for the purpose of occupying my teeth. I (a software engineer) usually work on about six issues at once, while my coworkers are working on one or two.

      ADHD does exist, and it's a hell of a disorder. I've stayed awake for hours at night, just watching the movie of ideas go through my mind. I've lost jobs and friends because I couldn't follow through on tasks.

      Today, I consider my ADHD to be a benefit. I resolve more tickets than most of my coworkers, especially those involving debugging. I do not suffer from the tunnel vision that often plagues programmers. The condition is there, but it no longer disrupts my life. As such, it no longer fits the criteria for a "disorder." I am cured.

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    4. Re:Finally, an advantage! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ADHD is a myth.

      Then why do you have it?

    5. Re:Finally, an advantage! by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Now, my office desk has several toys on it, to give my hands something to do. That's one of the things that pissed me off about my daughter's last teacher. She complained that my daughter had ADHD, and thought the solution was to confiscate anything that my daughter could possibly play with -- her school supplies, eraser, even her personal jewelry. Of course, she also thought forcing my daughter to sit on a blue "X" on the floor when every other child had the option of sitting in a chair was a good idea too -- "We're humiliating her in front of all her peers for her own benefit!" And of course, they retaliated against me by slapping me with a restraining order for merely complaining that treating a student differently from all the other students because they have a disability is against the law! I hope you had more enlightened teachers...

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    6. Re:Finally, an advantage! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That seems to be the premise of a number of ADHD books that have come out over the past two decades; in my opinion, it is complete bullshit. It just happens that all of the metrics of success by which people can measure themselves at some point involve a (successful) concerted effort toward some long-term goal. Such action requires a certain discipline which is not easily achieved by those with deficits in executive function.

      If someone is well-endowed with intelligence, they can easily be their high school valedictorian or a National Merit Finalist without ever once putting forth a long term and concerted effort (at least, without very compelling external stimuli). Perhaps one can even get though an undergraduate degree in the same manner. But no matter one's intelligence, it has some limit, and there will be tasks that can only be accomplished through a long term (and at times, unpleasant) effort. In his or her natural state, a person with substantial ADHD symptoms will face vastly greater difficulty in crossing that barrier than someone without them will, and that is a disability.

      A desire to be the best at anything, to excel in any field, will probably involve hard work, and though someone with ADHD will find that very difficult, they won't necessarily find it any less desirable. The post after the parent (by Sarten-X) points out one way to cope with this. There are a few areas in which the apparent overactive curiosity of ADHD can be a benefit: an ADHDer can be a hell of a bug-fixer. He can blow through piles of bugs (though he had better hope that the codebase he is fixing is very large and/or diverse...) just as well as a normal person with similar intellectual gifts could. Perhaps even a little better, since his success will be all the more enjoyable for its rarity, and he has no difficulty at all abandoning a hopeless cause. No matter how good his code, however, he will still probably be fairly awful at implementing some huge feature with a year-long roadmap. It may be that after he figures out how to implement the feature, he will find that actually doing so quickly loses its appeal. Attacking the feature with the same ferocity for a year...that will be difficult indeed.

      For Sarten-X, this is no problem, because it seems that he enjoys fixing bugs, or at least enjoys succeeding at fixing bugs more than failing at something he likes more. That is lucky indeed for him, but it is by no means a given. He might have been forced into debugging as a career, it being the only one he could consistently succeed at, while still feeling great anguish that he can't follow through on original features and programs, on his PhD thesis, or even on his golf game. And even an expert debugger can be expected to follow though on various promises or commitments in his personal life. Whether those things are avoided, failed, or accomplished with great anguish, the ADHDer is at a disadvantage, at least in flexibility.

      Pretending that it is simply a "blessing" or "advantage" seems to be ignoring those very real compromises which it will be necessary to make to achieve a measure of success. To everyone that does not have those attributes, they indeed appear to be deficits. The parent poster's attitude seems extremely dangerous to me; if his daughter indeed suffers from an ADHD which includes the "oooooh, shiny!" behavior in a heavy measure, even debugging might be very difficult for her. Now, she might easily be able to produce extremely realistic stream-of-consciousness prose, but integrating it into a novel someone wants to read will be a different matter altogether! So, even relieved of the burden of succeeding in a conventional career or financially supporting herself, she might well find that such behavior is rather hard on relationships. If she does not recognize it as a limitation--or at least something which the rest of the world will consider as such--she might find the judgement of the world (and particularly her potential long-term mates) to

    7. Re:Finally, an advantage! by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      The point you appear to be missing is that people with ADHD have no problem with focusing long-term on things they enjoy doing. My daughter can play the same online game for hours, working with people twice her age to accomplish goals. In college, I spent 24 hours in a single stretch trying finish a programming project. As far as really long term, my daughter is on one of the Northwest's best Allstar Cheerleading teams, and has made more progress in tumbling over the past year than anyone else on the team. Also, unlike myself, my daughter is extremely outgoing, amiable, and popular.

      On a related subject, Google "Williams Syndrome" sometime. It is regarded as a genetic defect, much like Down's Syndrome, and yet it results in kids that are extremely loving, gregarious, frequently have absolute pitch and exceptional musical ability - in short, if it weren't for the adverse health effects, I'd regard this as a beneficial mutation, not a "defect". (My interest in this comes from the fact that my daughter has all the mental symptoms of Williams, but none of the physical ones.)

      Unfortunately, as a culture we try to punish anyone that doesn't fit a narrowly-defined mold -- that's what our education system is all about. Instead of embracing the advantages that counterbalance the disadvantages of not being "normal" (many idiot-savants have much higher skill than you do in specific areas), instead we shun people that are different, even lock them away in institutions. Diversity is a survival factor; forcing everybody to be the same is ultimately fatal for the survival of the species. What makes you think my daughter even cares about living up to the standard of your narrow definition of "success"? She's having fun and making friends -- and ultimately who you know is much more important to success than being able to write a novel.

      There are billions of people that live their entire lives without ever having driven a car; there are millions right in New York City. I'm not sure inability to drive is as big a disadvantage as you think it is.

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  23. And by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1 in 40 people might be able to drive drunk safely. But changing the DWI laws would be just silly.

  24. I'm what is known as a HYPO-tasker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can only do 1/2 things at the same time
    if I try and drive, I stop breathing
    if I try and talk on a cell phone, I pee myself

    So if you see some dead guy with an iPhone in a Honda accord crashed into a fence...thats me!

    at least posting on Slashdot is simple.

  25. huh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've never had a problem talking on the phone and driving. However, I have had several close calls when talking to a passenger in my car! I cannot text and drive, that's suicide ...

  26. ADHD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would say that I'm one of the supertaskers because I'm ADHD. I can focus on several things at once better then one thing at a time sometimes. In fact the only people that I have met that can drive safely and talk on the cell phone at the same time are normally ADHD.

    1. Re:ADHD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're dumb.

    2. Re:ADHD by BitZtream · · Score: 1, Interesting

      No you aren't.

      How do I know? Because you know someone else with ADHD, which translates into you don't really have it, you're just in that group of people that was raised by parents who never made you actually sit down and focus for more than ten minutes.

      Contrary to popular belief, THE ENTIRE FUCKING WORLD DOES NOT HAVE ADHD.

      You're just an idiot, nothing more, nothing less.

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    3. Re:ADHD by Ironhandx · · Score: 1

      While I do in large part agree with this assessment... ADHD does exist. I have a sister thats living proof. Countless hours were spent trying to make her sit still and focus for more than 10 minutes but all attempts failed. She only somewhat gained control of it when she got older and mature enough to want to control it herself. Even now she still has problems though.

    4. Re:ADHD by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 1

      THE ENTIRE FUCKING WORLD DOES NOT HAVE ADHD.

      Well somebody does... This is the 23rd of 24 posts by you so far today.

      You're just an idiot, nothing more, nothing less.

      And almost every single post ends like this, with you calling someone an idiot. If you don't have ADHD then you're probably a shell script.

    5. Re:ADHD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is very true.....most teachers tell parents their kids has ADHD even when they don't so that the parents will put them on meds. When I was little I could not sit quietly in class even if I tried. I got in trouble for not being able to sit quietly through movies at daycare. I tried to stay out of trouble but just could not. My mother worked in a doctors office and my doctor was a friend of the family. My doctor knew I had ADHD when I was 5 but my parents tried address the problem without meds. They punished me when I got in trouble and tried to reward me when I was good. But no matter how hard I tried I could not manage to behave in class and I always felt bad every time I got in trouble. No matter how hard I tried I could not sit quietly through class. My mom put me on meds when I was in 4th grade hoping that they wouldn't work proving that I didn't have ADHD. Well they worked. I no longer take the meds but without them I would have been getting in trouble everyday at school. I have found that because of my ADHD it is better for me to focus on several tasks at once then try and focus on one thing at a time. I managed to stay out of trouble in school when I stopped taking my meds by reading books during class when the teacher was teaching.I was still listening to the teacher and able to answer any questions that they asked me. I used multitasking to control my ADHD.

  27. anonymous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Texting on the phone - no way, eyes not on road
    Talking on the phone - talking is secondary to driving, I'd talk to passengers in the car just the same as a phone conversation. They are looking to me to deliver them safely to their destination, which is my #1 priority

  28. What's the difference? by Grand+Facade · · Score: 1

    What's the difference between texting and reading a book/newspaper/magazine?

    A whole lot different than talking on a phone..... With out without a hands free!

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  29. Story Title casting a broad net. - hands-free vs . by Animaether · · Score: 1

    The story title seems to cast a rather broad net with its "`Supertaskers` Can Safely Use Mobile Phones While Driving"... there's a huge difference between...

    involved having a hands-free mobile phone conversation

    ...and...

    The Transportation Department on Wednesday proposed a ban on text messaging at the wheel

    One just requires you to listen and yap - still not as good paying attention to your driving 100%, but people listen to (talk) radio and whatnot and sing along with songs or carry on conversations with others in the car (yes, they can help pay attention to the road), etc.

    The other typically requires you to actually look away from the road and to a little screen/keyboard so you know what you're typing. Even if you've become highly proficient at texting using e.g. T9 on a standard phone pad (much easier than a full keyboard in this case) and don't have to look, you've still got one hand focused on a particular task not related to driving for an extended amount of time.

    So even these 'supertaskers' aside, the study conclusion referred to doesn't seem to say anything about things like texting or checking your facebook or playing games and all those other things one can use a mobile phone for these days; just hands-free conversation.

  30. super attentive by roman_mir · · Score: 1

    As a contractor for the past 10 years, I often found myself in situations where I am driving and there is a phone call and there is an emergency or there is a meeting and I have to be there, whatever, I always hate those, because I know it is not a good idea to drive and be on the phone where I actually have to solve something, pay attention, participate. Have to do it anyway, so I don't know if these 'super-taskers' have a natural ability or they just do what I have to do and increase the attention that I pay to the road even more than I normally do, because I am scared of getting into an accident during the call. So for real, I pay more attention to the road and driving and what is around me while on the phone, then when I am not distracted. It's just a necessary precaution, otherwise you can't do it, you'll crash into something. I also learned to be able to stop caring about the phone, no matter what's happening there in an instant when necessary, that's important because whatever you do, there is always a chance someone will be changing lanes right into you, maybe they are also on a call and are not scared.

  31. Or maybe supertasking when not on the phone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they're already doing multiple things in their head, swapping one of those tasks with a mobile call wouldn't really add any further distractions.

  32. It's relative by izomiac · · Score: 1

    I'd suspect that the short term memory (or similar) of these individuals is better than average. Most people can remember 7 things at once, hence why phone numbers are that length. Some people can only remember 5, others 9. Depending on the type of conversation, I could imagine one that only required remembering two things to keep up with it. If you can normally remember 9 things, use 2 "slots" for a phone conversation would leave 7 slots for other tasks. Driving probably only takes ~4-5 so the reduced capacity isn't apparent.

    OTOH, I'd imagine that you could determine a difference by increasing the difficulty of the task at hand. So I'd say even "supertaskers" would still have avoidable accidents at a higher rate then they normally would. Of course, their accident rate would still be within normal limits.

  33. Photographic Memory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yep. Ever hear someone claim they "have a photographic memory," a neato pop-psych ability popularized in the '70s? The contemporary will now be "I'm a supertasker!!"

  34. Please assume you can't supertask. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    As a bicyclist, I am ready to go vigilante on some of the drivers I see on the road regularly. Just this morning, as I was about to turn left on my way to work, a woman barreling over a hill in a 30MPH zone while going at least 40MPH was holding up an iPhone directly in the center of her field of vision, and I think she may have actually been texting on it. I sure hope that not only was she one of these so-called "supertaskers," but that she could also react well to things she happens to see in her peripheral vision. So long as you do not plow into me from behind, I can usually take care of myself (although I have seen a motorist stray all the way into the bike lane and almost off the road once), but what especially irked me was the fact that she had just passed right by an elementary school.

    I consider myself to be capable of multitasking fairly well. I do not know whether I am a "supertasker," but I have seen enough crazy things on the road in my lifetime that I always make certain that my attention is fully devoted to the road whenever I am behind the wheel. Whatever time I think I may be saving by refusing to make phone calls or read texts while driving is not worth the risk of ruining someone else's life.

    1. Re:Please assume you can't supertask. by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      Bike rider here too. Its april 1 btw. Shame that nobody gets the joke. On my commute I have seen bike riders in the dark with no lights, both hands off the controls and talking on a phone. No kidding. And yeah, plenty more car drivers on the phone. It should be possible to trace phone use after a crash. The network records when you sent an SMS, and when you are on a call. Why not do this for phone accounts owned by the drivers of vehicles?

      One thing which worked against alcohol here in Victoria, Australia is that insurance cover for your own vehicle is void if you are found to be above the limit for blood alcohol. I think that thing above all else put the dent in the drink driving problem. So why not do it for phone use too?

    2. Re:Please assume you can't supertask. by BitZtream · · Score: 0, Troll

      If you had half a clue you won't ride your bike on the road. You go ahead and get all vigilante on the women in a car... you and your bike, go fight her ... I'll wait to see how you look as a red splotch on the road.

      Its funny how cyclists are always smug assholes ... well funny in that, not funny but amazingly annoying kind of way. People like you make me want to make it legal to play roadkill bingo with any asshole over 18 riding his bike on a road, bike lane or not.

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    3. Re:Please assume you can't supertask. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a motorized, I am ready to go vigilante on some of the cyclists I see on the road regularly. Ignoring traffic control signs and signals, changing between riding in the roadway or the sidewalk as it suits them, passing between lanes, going the wrong way down one-way streets. I could go on. With the number of incidences of rude cyclists I've seen, I could reasonably conclude that most bicyclists are asshats.

      The thing is, it's not true - just like with motorists. The minority give the majority a bad name.

      BTW, regarding your vigilante "Bicycle Defense Kit", watch out for retaliation. All I need is a short length of broomstick to ruin your day.

    4. Re:Please assume you can't supertask. by Sarten-X · · Score: 1

      In most jurisdictions I've ever known, riding a bike on the road is recommended, if not required. In only a few places is it prohibited. However, I have never in my life seen a road where driving over the speed limit, while distracted, in a school zone, is legal. Take your idiocy back to 4chan.

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    5. Re:Please assume you can't supertask. by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 1

      Douchebag,

      Riding a bike on the sidewalk is forbidden in most jurisdictions. Where the fuck do you live?

    6. Re:Please assume you can't supertask. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By law bicycles belong on the road, just like the cars do. It is funny how some drivers think the road is theirs and only theirs. These are most likely people who never ride bikes "because it's for kids and poor"... Go get on the bike at least once, experience what other side feels... and then we can maybe talk. For now you are just smug asshole in steel cage with very limited experience...

    7. Re:Please assume you can't supertask. by RMH101 · · Score: 1

      in the UK cell phone records have been used as evidence of dangerous driving after fatalities for years - it's common place. You don't have to actually be on th ephone at the time of the crash for it to count against you - there was a case of an articulated lorry killing a teenager through gross inattention where the records showed that for the previous 40 miles he'd made a number of calls (without handsfree), sent a large number of texts, etc when he wasn't stationary. I think this is fair enough.
      It has crossed my mind that my iPhone's tendency to go off and do data things by itself might count against me in a crash if it looked like I'd been surfing the net rather than my phone downloading my push email in the bvackground...

    8. Re:Please assume you can't supertask. by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      in the UK cell phone records have been used as evidence of dangerous driving after fatalities for years

      I am sure they would be here too but I am really talking about the fact that use of mobiles without hands free and texting has been illegal here for a long time and both activities are absolutely rampant. I can go out on any street in this city and not be out of sight of a driver doing either of those things at any time.

      So something has to be done to put a lid on this behaviour and I think looking at phone records for every incident reported to the police would be one way to do that, and done properly it doesn't have to be expensive either.

  35. Task Saturation by G-Man · · Score: 4, Interesting

    1 in 40? I wonder if that is the same proportion of people who can be fighter pilots. In a past life I was a Weapons Director in the Air Force - fancy title for someone who looks at a radar screen and says "the bad guys are over there!" I worked with fighter pilots (primarily the F-15 and F-16), and the thing is, no one task they do is all that complicated. The catch is that you have to do several at the same time:

    1) Fly the plane
    2) Operate the radar
    3) Search visually outside the cockpit
    4) Talk/listen to your wingman
    5) Talk/listen to radar controllers (that was me)

    Only when you have mastered all these can you then:

    6) Develop a mental picture of what is going on - "Situational Awareness" (SA)
    7) Decide on the proper tactics and execute them, and
    8) Get yourself into position and employ the weapons systems

    Experienced pilots are obviously masters of all 8. An inexperienced pilot can get bogged down on step 2, and never hear you repeatedly telling him that the bandit is rolling in on his six-o-clock.

    Of course, they get better, and I wonder if proper training could turn more people into 'supertaskers'. Then again, we don't spend hundreds of hours and millions of dollars training the average driver.

    1. Re:Task Saturation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      There's a saying amongst some of the older craniums regarding that...

      "A good pilot can do multiple things at once. A great pilot never does."

    2. Re:Task Saturation by Alcimedes · · Score: 1

      Strangely enough, the only person I know that I would qualify as a "super tasker" is a Captain in the Army.

      He could be talking to a General on the phone, drinking his coffee and driving in some of the worst traffic imaginable and it wasn't a problem at all. (traffic and rules of the road in South America make the worst traffic in the US look like a driver's ed training session)

      One time a car came out of *no-where* and he reacted to it instantly before anyone else in the vehicle had even realized it was coming, avoided it, accelerated out of the situation and kept going, all the while not spilling a drop of coffee and not interrupting his conversation in the slightest.

      I don't think I'd feel safe with *anyone else* I know doing that, but with this guy, he could pull it off.

    3. Re:Task Saturation by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1
      How do you train a person to have both hands on the phone and texting, a knee "steering" the car, driving 55 in a 25 zone to be competent doing that? I see that in my town regularly.

      Anyhow I think you'd agree that fighter pilots are exceptional people, with exceptional skills - even if honed/developed with practice.

      The guy I just described in the first sentence is just an idiot.

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  36. This doesn't apply to the police by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This doesn't apply to the police of course. They still want to be able to use their laptops while they drive ... even though they are eight times more likely to have an accident than the rest of us. Most of these accidents involve other people. So, everyone would be safer if the police pulled over and parked before using the laptop.

    I'm all for a ban on texting and driving but I sure would like to see it apply to everybody.

  37. Utter Bullshit by bradgoodman · · Score: 0

    I would be interested to see the full text of the "study". Aside from complete bias of the entire realm of psychology, what about the simple things involved, like having to take your hands off the wheel to operate another device - or worse - your eyes off the road to read the text messages. No amount of "supertasking" can compensate for this, in situations which require split-second reaction times. The "reaction times" aren't merely "mental" - but involve seeing something happen, having your brain process it, and physically reacting to the situation. Having ones eyes off the roads for a fraction of a second could mean not even observing a situation happenging before it's too late.

    1. Re:Utter Bullshit by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 1

      ...like having to take your hands off the wheel to operate another device - or worse - your eyes off the road to read the text messages.

      What part of "hands free" and "conversations" did you not understand? This is actually pretty damning for proponents of hands-free cell phone use in vehicles.

      The OP mentions texting, but that's not what this study was about, and you could get that just from reading the summary. It was about talking while driving, and only 1 in 40 can handle it. That is, only a little over 2% of drivers are not impaired by talking while driving.

      That 1 in 40 would also be more likely to manage texting, but talking and texting do not equate, and texting is significantly more distracting. Texting while driving is already illegal almost everywhere, so I wouldn't worry about it unless it isn't illegal where you are. Then you should raise a ruckus and make it so.

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  38. Ten Things Not to Do While Driving by mim · · Score: 1

    some of these are seriously hilarious...like "Darwin Award" hilarious... http://hubpages.com/hub/Ten-Things-Not-to-Do-While-Driving

    1. Re:Ten Things Not to Do While Driving by mim · · Score: 1

      "You'll pay to know what you really think." -- J.R. "Bob" Dobbs (that I posted while this was the end quote is even more hilarious)

  39. These laws are so stupid by OrwellianLurker · · Score: 1

    The problem is that most people can't "supertask." Taking away one distraction (to some) accomplishes nothing. People can still talk while they drive, change the song on their iPod, eat lunch, shave their bikini area, etc.

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  40. The real problem... by Lord+Jester · · Score: 1

    is not the texting per se, but the lack of intelligence of the driver. Washington state has passed a law prohibiting talking on your cell phone without a hands-free device for the same reason.

    I know several people who can drive and talk on or text with their phone without a problem. The key is, they know better than to do it in heavy traffic that is moving more than 10 miles/20 km per hour.

    The same problem occurs with individuals carrying on conversations with their passengers, reading the newspaper, changing their radio, etc, etc, etc. It comes down to common sense. Which is, unfortunately, less and less common these days.

    People just need a boogie man to blame for the problems and today's society says it is politically incorrect to say that many people are just stupid when it comes to driving. We, as a society, need to grow a set of balls and call the stupid people stupid. Their feelings are not protected by any laws.

  41. Re:Story Title casting a broad net. - hands-free v by KiloByte · · Score: 1

    Indeed -- talking is merely a distraction, texting should be prosecuted as attempted murder.

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  42. That's me! by roc97007 · · Score: 1

    I'm one of those supermultitaskers! Yes I am! In fact, right now I'm driving while I posqoaherohd;lk

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  43. What about the flip side by strtdusty · · Score: 0

    But what about the effect on the other person talking to the Supertasker. They are the real victims here, since I'm assuming that the Supertasker is concentrating on the road more than their conversation!

  44. R u a hooman? by ArundelCastle · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is precisely why more forums are using catpchas.

  45. I hate these laws. by Nexzus · · Score: 1

    But I follow them because I realise that driving is a privilege and not a right.
    Think of the physical and mental thought processes when up shifting in a standard transmission vehicle.
    Your brain interprets, through the speedometre and tachometre, that you need to shift.
    You press the clutch in with your left foot.
    Shortly after you press the clutch in, you move the shifter into the next gear. You may have to move down, up and to the right, up and to the left, depending on your make of car.
    You allow the engine to speed down to match the next gear. How do you do that? Well, you factor in the ratio of the transmission gear and the engine speed.
    When the correct engine speed is attained, you release the clutch.
    To someone who can't drive a std. transmission, that can be very daunting, and seemingly very distracting - but it's not.
    But in the end, you can either do it, or you can't.
    Some people can drive and talk at the same time, some people can't. Unfortunately, the law has to cater to the lowest common denominator.
    Personally, the only new driving law needed is one that says you must re-take a driving exam if you have an verifiable, 100% at-fault accident. Obviously, you fucked up, so you should be re-certified.

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    1. Re:I hate these laws. by aXis100 · · Score: 1

      With a bit of practice, changing gear becomes part of your subconscious/learned motor systems - you no longer have to exert concentrated thought on doing it. This is a well understood mechanism in the human brain.

      Observing the varying conditions of the road and reacting to it will never become automatic though, so splitting your attention between driving and talking will *always* mean you do a worse job of both.

  46. Texting while driving is enormously stupid, but .. by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

    ... I don't actually support a ban. Not because I would ever want someone to do it - I don't. Rather, because the ban is absurdly difficult to enforce. Cops can't easily tell when someone is really texting versus just dialing. And even if someone was sending a text message while driving it isn't easy to prove that they did it. AFAIK we already have provisions against "distracted driving" and "impaired driving" in most states, they should just charge people under those codes if they manage to catch any.

    Instead we should alter the computers in cars to detect when drivers are texting while driving, and have the cars wrap themselves around phone poles. Then we wouldn't have to worry about repeat offenders.

    And while we're at it I vote in favor of stripping the word "text" of its new verb status.

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  47. My cat is a supertasker by sjames · · Score: 1

    Meowing on the phone doesn't detract from her driving ability in the slightest.

    In other words, perhaps their attention is more or less permanently divided between driving and a Walter Mitty like daydream. Then the phone distracts them from their daydream. That would imply that their driving performance doesn't decline because even when not distracted they drive like the rest of us would while on the phone.

    TFA doesn't have enough information to know if the analysis considered that or not, it only spoke of relative performance for each individual.

  48. More JUNK SCIENCE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is just another example of JUNK SCIENCE being used to enact laws to hurt the little guy. Liberal elitist scientists have proven time and time again that they are more than willing to make up "facts" in order to promote their own secret agendas. Whether it is global warming, gun control, evolution, and now these bullshit studies about cell phones, the list is almost endless.

  49. I never text while driving. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It interferes with me doing the crossword puzzle.

  50. What's the question? by rickb928 · · Score: 1

    Is this hoohah about talking on your phone, or texting with it? C'mon...

    Talking on the phone has never been too distracting for me, and is at least as safe as having a passenger, unless she's better looking than my phone. Another problem.

    But texting for me is an interesting proposition. Sometimes I do fine, and someetimes I have to stop cause I'm just not supertasking. I can see banning that, but banning conversations talking on the phone, that's stupid if you have a headset. If you don't, you should consider getting more life insurance. One-handed driving is a ticket to the morgue around here.

    ps- 'Supertasking'? Nimrods. What's with the jargon creep?

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    1. Re:What's the question? by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 1

      The study is about talking.

      The Mythbusters did a similar study that only involved three of the Mythbusters team. Every one of them did about as bad as being legally drunk, and much worse than sober and distraction-free.

      Most people think they do a whole lot better than they actually do. It would be nice to have a facility to demonstrate this by having a person do something similar to the MB crew, minus the drinking of course. I'm sure you'd be surprised at just how poorly you drive while talking on a cell phone, or even engaging in a serious conversation in your car.

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    2. Re:What's the question? by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't be surprised at all. My wife tells me I drive terribly when she rides with me.

      But I've ,managed without her somehow.

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  51. Here's my experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I used to drive all over the metro DC area, delivering packages under deadline pressure. We had radios where you had to key the mic. The two minor scrapes I was in had nothing to do with the radio. In fact, I'd say speed and pressure had more to do with them than anything else. When I was on the radio, it actually seemed to focus my attention.

  52. Explains a lot by redshirt · · Score: 1

    Like why I can drive while getting a blow job.

  53. Not "anyone" just most people. by mosb1000 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    anyone who talks or texts whilst driving is a danger

    The article you are responding to clearly states that 1 in 40 people who engage in these activities are not any more dangerous while doing it.

    1. Re:Not "anyone" just most people. by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      The article he is responding to is clearly a load of pig shit. Some bunch of fucking weinies started out with an agenda, and tried to prove that they are elite. Some fools will believe that shit.

      EVERYONE "gets away with" talking, texting, shaving, applying make up, or whatever the hell - until the one time that they don't get away with it. At which time, they, or their victims, become another set of statistics.

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    2. Re:Not "anyone" just most people. by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The article you are responding to clearly states that 1 in 40 people who engage in these activities are not any more dangerous while doing it.

      Based on 5 outliers in a sample of only 200, in a study whose methodology has not yet been published but possibly observing only voice calls using hands-free systems, and ignoring the complete lack of previous support for this theory from a diverse body of evidence gathered over quite a few years now into both road safety and cognitive theory.

      I think I'll wait until the jury is back before I start jumping to any conclusions on this one.

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    3. Re:Not "anyone" just most people. by Capt.+Skinny · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      So by your logic, I shouldn't type because I make typos, despite the fact that I "get away with" with typing properly most of the time? The fact that it so often happens without consequence is evidence enough that people can do it.

    4. Re:Not "anyone" just most people. by tftp · · Score: 2, Funny

      1 in 40 people who engage in these activities are not any more dangerous while doing it.

      Does it mean that they normally drive as if they were constantly texting, even though they don't? Those people should be removed from roads :-)

    5. Re:Not "anyone" just most people. by Runaway1956 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Reductio absurdium? Yeah, I'm sure I've got that wrong, but you get the idea. If you're sitting at a desk, banging away on a keyboard, only some absurd set of circumstances can possibly enable you to injure or kill someone with your crummy typing.

      Even if you ARE a super geek, and even if you can multitask better than Windows, Linux, and OS X combined, you have a RESPONSIBILITY to put all your silly shit aside, and pay attention to your driving, so that you DO NOT injure or kill someone.

      Phrased in a much more direct manner, Pull your head out of your ass, and get your priorities straight!

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    6. Re:Not "anyone" just most people. by digitalchinky · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think you missed the point.

      We don't allow pilots to be distracted, cockpit voice recorders and a myriad of other sensors take pretty good care of that, would you argue this is wrong? They fuck up and 100+ people die. If they get away with it they kiss their job goodbye.

      Why do we treat pilots differently? Scale? Who really cares about scale if the victim happens to be someone you care about. More people die on the roads than they do in aircraft accidents, something should be done to reduce accident statistics on the road. Just because evidence might exist to show people can do something, doesn't mean they should do it.

      If you don't already do this, I'd suggest you stick your backside on a motorbike for a couple of months so you can get a better sense of how distracted drivers really are in general. If you get it wrong it gets real - real quick.

    7. Re:Not "anyone" just most people. by murdocj · · Score: 1

      So by your logic, I shouldn't type because I make typos, despite the fact that I "get away with" with typing properly most of the time?

      Congratulations! By comparing not paying attention while driving to typing at your desk, you've won today's Slashdot "bad car analogy" prize.

      I've got one image in my head, from years ago in downtown San Francisco, of a guy going thru a red light at at least 40 miles an hour, looking out his driver side window, trying to read a street sign. The light had been red for 5 seconds or more. Anyone crossing the street would have certainly been killed.

    8. Re:Not "anyone" just most people. by lorenlal · · Score: 2, Interesting

      But why is that? Are they actually "supertaskers" as the article suggests? Or is there a subset of that 1 in 40 that's actually so bad at driving that it doesn't matter if they're paying attention?

      Anyone can be a danger on the road. It's a risk we accept every day by being on them.

      I think we need to just forget this car thing and start working on the tube technology....

    9. Re:Not "anyone" just most people. by KahabutDieDrake · · Score: 1

      Does driving require the entirety of your faculties? All the time? I really hope not. People are capable of doing any number of things at a time. The trick, is managing which ones require constant attention. Driving requires (for the most part) only a small portion of your full capability, but it requires the CONSTANT use of your eyes. Anything you can do without looking, shouldn't be much of a problem, so long as it doesn't require more faculty than you can spare.

      Most of us can carry on a conversation and walk. Some of us can carry on a conversation, walk, and type a different conversation. This isn't elitism, this is just the way it is. The same concepts apply to driving. Some people can drive and talk. Some people can drive, talk and keep their kids in line. Some people can drive, talk, keep their kids in line and navigate an unfamiliar area with nothing but the memory of a conversation they had 2 days before as directions. While it's true we aren't all created equal, the law needs to be applied equally anyway. This study "proves" (dubiously) what we all knew anyway. Some people are better at this stuff than others. SHOCKING. However, this study should not be used as evidence that "I can do it because I'm safe". That's a logical fallacy. At any moment while driving, you may need every little bit of your capability. Even that might not be enough. Proper risk management still applies. Put the phone down and drive.

    10. Re:Not "anyone" just most people. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've got one image in my head, from years ago in downtown San Francisco, of a guy going thru a red light at at least 40 miles an hour, looking out his driver side window, trying to read a street sign. The light had been red for 5 seconds or more. Anyone crossing the street would have certainly been killed.

      That was me. Sorry.

    11. Re:Not "anyone" just most people. by sleeping143 · · Score: 1

      I'd like to see you ride a motorcycle for a month and come to this same conclusion. Using your eyes to look around is not enough; you need to actually SEE what is around you, which takes much more concentration.

      There's a little challenge we riders like to offer those who have never ridden a motorcycle. Think back to the last time you saw a motorcycle while driving. It's probably been quite a while, right? Now go for a half hour drive, making a point to watch for motorcycles. Unless it is winter, chances are quite good you'll see at least one in that time frame. Then reconsider your views on just how much mental capacity it takes to really watch the road.

    12. Re:Not "anyone" just most people. by hclewk · · Score: 1

      What point are you trying to make, exactly? All you are saying is that my brain says, "hey, there is a vehicle in front of you slowing down, and there is a vehicle beside you so you can't change lanes, so you need to slow down too" instead of "hey, that Red Honda Civic in front of you is slowing down, oh and by the way, you better store the fact that there is a motorcycle beside you in your long-term memory."

      You would be similarly amazed at how many blue cars there are on the road that you didn't recall seeing if you look for them. The point is, it doesn't matter what type of vehicle you see, as long as you see a vehicle. That's the point the GP was trying to make.

    13. Re:Not "anyone" just most people. by blahplusplus · · Score: 1

      But most people think they are above average, sometimes I wonder if they should post studies like these.

    14. Re:Not "anyone" just most people. by TheLink · · Score: 1

      They could always have make a supertasking test an integral part of the driving test. You have to take it, but you don't have to pass that section to get a normal license. You only need to pass it to qualify for a supertasking license.

      The supertasking test must be hard enough so that you must drive BETTER than the average driver while "supertasking" to pass.

      If you make the test hard enough, the supertaskers who pass are more likely to be killed/maimed by the "39 out of 40" than the other way round. Yes, even on their "bad days". After all, I'm sure the top rally driver will still drive better than me even if he's sick, tired and chatting on the phone.

      BUT just because you qualify doesn't mean you automatically get that license! You have to pay extra for this license so that you can optionally put a sticker on your car (so the cops don't waste time stopping you for multitasking as long as you are still driving safely and obeying the rules). Otherwise you get a normal license like everyone else - even though you can supertask you're not allowed to. Knowing the way many drivers behave, the supertaskers might find not putting the sticker on makes for a better driving experience...

      The main benefit of this is not so that the supertaskers can brag and supertask. But so that the 39 out of 40 can know how badly they suck at multitasking.

      Having the 39/40 know that _we_ (not other people) suck at driving should make the roads (and sidewalks etc) safer.

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    15. Re:Not "anyone" just most people. by TheLink · · Score: 1

      They should make multitasking part of the driving test - all prospective drivers have to take that part, they don't have to pass it though:

      http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1602530&cid=31698588

      That should make the average driver know how bad they are. They may still believe they are above average, but a mere above average still sucks ;).

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    16. Re:Not "anyone" just most people. by MoeDrippins · · Score: 1

      anyone who talks or texts whilst driving is a danger

      The article you are responding to clearly states that 1 in 40 people who engage in these activities are not any more dangerous while doing it.

      That's one way to read it. The other way is that these 1 in 40 suck as bad as normal people texting, even when they're not.

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    17. Re:Not "anyone" just most people. by vegiVamp · · Score: 1

      "no more dangerous", as in, they're a menace even when they're not distracted ?

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    18. Re:Not "anyone" just most people. by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      The point of the above post, is that people are not OBSERVANT. Some day, try pairing up with a cop. Cops are trained not to merely see, but to OBSERVE. Just go about your business, with a cop in tow. In my case, my sister was often around, so it didnt' take any special arrangements to do this. Spend a couple hours, anyway, then let the cop quiz you on what you saw. You will be amazed at how little you have observed of the world around you.

      Or, you could turn that around backward. Spend some hours in the company of a truck driver. You try to remember how many cops you saw, and where they were when you saw them. That truck driver will be able to multiply your list at the end of the trip. He OBSERVED the cops, he didn't merely see them.

      You, my freind, owe it to society at large to OBSERVE what is going on around your vehicle. Stop sitting in your insulated machine, and deciding what it important, and what is not. It's the vehicle, pedestrian, or unusual situation that you dismissed as unimportant that is going to get someone killed.

      The biker above understands perfectly what I'm saying - because a biker MUST observe everything, from the dog chasing cars, to the school bus, to the cops - everything. He isn't insulated from any of it. That dog can kill him just as dead as the idiot schoolbus driver who can't see another vehicle that weighs less than 2000 pounds.

      This is the reason some very intelligent people manage to look like idiots. They don't bother to observe the world around them.

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    19. Re:Not "anyone" just most people. by KahabutDieDrake · · Score: 0, Troll

      I'm just curious what makes you, and biker boy up there, think that you know more than any of the rest of us. You don't know how I drive, for all you know, I could be the best, or worst driver on earth.

      Please, stop trying to perpetuate the idea that only motorcyclists and truck drivers are good drivers. In point of fact, those are two the of the MOST ACCIDENT prone sets of drivers on the road. Observe some reality.

      Lastly, lets not pretend like you have even the slightest idea how observant any given other driver is. You guys can take your elitist bullshit and walk with it. I'll be driving. You can spot me, I'll be singing along to the radio, futzzing with the climate control, text my secretary about the meeting later and I'll STILL notice your bike out of lane position and riding like you are terrified of everyone else on the road.

    20. Re:Not "anyone" just most people. by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      Years of experience and observation. 90% and more of the drivers on the road see nothing around them. How far ahead of your car are you looking while you drive? Do you see the farmer on his tractor 1 1/2 miles ahead of you? Do you see the little sports car two miles behind you, and gaining? More than 90% of drivers see neither - and when you arrive at the location of the tractor, and the sports car wants to pass, you have almost zero idea that you are in an extremely hazardous situation - THREE of you are going to try sharing two lanes for a few brief moments.

      Years of experience shows that no one slows down when they see a basketball, soccerball, or baseball roll out into the street. They might dodge the ball, but they run right over the silly little kid who is chasing the ball.

      You're right - we have little idea how YOU drive. But, experience suggests that young people with a license are far more interested in their telephone, CD changer, and shiny buttons on the dash than they are in anything more then 15 feet from their cars.

      If you are offended, sorry. Prove us wrong with 30, 50, or 70 years of accident free driving. If in 2080, you're sitting in front of your computer, typing comments here at slashdot, and you remember us, you can then say, "Well, I showed THOSE assholes!"

      Of course, by then, you'll be the cynical old bastard, and you be much more like the biker dude and me. You'll realize that most people act like idiots, and would much rather run down an old lady than pay attention to the fact that she's using a walker to cross the street.

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  54. I can do it by Leebert · · Score: 1

    It has nothing to do with "supertasking", though.

    I believe the reason I can safely drive and talk on the cell phone is because I tend to ignore people talking when I'm doing something else.

    In effect, I'm an inattentive listener, so it pretty much doesn't affect my driving, because if I have to do anything driving related, I tune out the person talking to me.

    I'm also not afraid to drop the phone (literally) and deal with something if I need to. Anecdote: I was rear-ended once while on the phone. I was watching the rear view, noted the car behind me was going *way* too fast, threw it into gear and punched the gas onto the shoulder. (I dropped the phone in the process) She clipped the driver's side tail of my bumper, then plowed into the car that was (previously) directly in front of me. Picked back up the phone, apologized, briefly explained, then hung up.

    That said, I *cannot* dial the phone or send a text. Both are dangerous when I'm driving.

  55. I guess I am 1 in 40... sorta by markdavis · · Score: 1

    Am I am of the 1 in 40? I can talk on the phone while driving with little to no performance suffering on the driving side. BUT- I prioritize driving so much higher that you wouldn't WANT to talk on the phone with me, since I often miss half what is said or pause to respond.

    $renice 20 phoneuse

    That just illustrates I *can* use the phone safely, but something is going to suffer, and I let it be the phone. I find it no more or less distracting than a passenger talking. That said, I very rarely use the phone while driving- only when very important, and always hands-free. Texting? Never while moving, only at a stop... and that, rarely, too.

    1. Re:I guess I am 1 in 40... sorta by maxume · · Score: 1

      You do realize that your self reporting is nearly useless, right?

      Given sufficient bad drivers, some of them have done hilarious stuff without actually causing any injuries or damage.

      (I'm not insisting you are a bad driver, I'm just pointing out that you could be one and not be aware of it)

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    2. Re:I guess I am 1 in 40... sorta by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 1

      Am I am of the 1 in 40?

      Chances are you're one of the 90% who think they are one of the 2%, but aren't.

      If you read through the comments, there are a hell of a lot of people who are just absolutely positive they are good drivers while talking on the cell phone.

      I'd be very surprised if any of them are, let alone you specifically.

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    3. Re:I guess I am 1 in 40... sorta by WinstonWolfIT · · Score: 0

      Odds are you also self-describe your intelligence higher than it actually is.

  56. Supertaskers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Supertaskers... More like delusional assholes.

  57. 1 in 40 by 517714 · · Score: 1

    1 in 40 is such a bad driver that being on the phone just doesn't matter!

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  58. Why not test? by mosb1000 · · Score: 1

    If you're sure you could do it, why not arrange for a test and find out. There's no reason not to do it if would not impair your driving ability. In fact, I'd say that people who think they may be supertaskers should be able to take a test at the DMV to get a special license, given that their ability to react is not at all impaired. I, on the other hand, do not need to take the test to know I wouldn't pass.

    1. Re:Why not test? by frosty_tsm · · Score: 1

      If you're sure you could do it, why not arrange for a test and find out. There's no reason not to do it if would not impair your driving ability. In fact, I'd say that people who think they may be supertaskers should be able to take a test at the DMV to get a special license, given that their ability to react is not at all impaired. I, on the other hand, do not need to take the test to know I wouldn't pass.

      Then you have the problem of the cops can't pull anyone over for speaking on the phone because they might have one of these licenses.

      But then this is about a super-tasker on a hands-free. A hands-free ban is almost unenforceable (unlike a hands-free requirement, which is already difficult).

    2. Re:Why not test? by blackraven14250 · · Score: 1

      No, then you have the minor inconvenience to the 1 in 40 of having to show their license and take 2 minutes out of their day, rather than let the 39 of 40 go scott free.

    3. Re:Why not test? by frosty_tsm · · Score: 1

      No, then you have the minor inconvenience to the 1 in 40 of having to show their license and take 2 minutes out of their day, rather than let the 39 of 40 go scott free.

      Devil's advocate:

      - After jumping through extra hoops, I'm now going to get pulled over every once a while by a cop (maybe while I'm rushing somewhere)?
      - When I show this to the cop, is he going to try and pin something else on me (broken tail light, write me a 3 mph speeding ticket or something else)?
      - Is the cop going to be having an off day and things get more messy than they should?
      - I have to get off the phone to talk to the cop (explaining this to the person I'm talking to).

      I just don't see the benefit. Ban it for 40 out of 40 (especially since the DMV will probably give the special license to 35 out of 40 applicants).

    4. Re:Why not test? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Then you have the problem of the cops can't pull anyone over for speaking on the phone because they might have one of these licenses.

      To drive on the phone, you have to have a special license plate and you have to have your cell phone visible on the outside of the vehicle.

    5. Re:Why not test? by Mr.+Freeman · · Score: 1

      Very simple solution, use special license plates. Some states have "whiskey plates" which are colored distinctly and allow an officer to pull over the car without probably cause in order to check to make sure there's no alcohol in the car.

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    6. Re:Why not test? by Mr.+Freeman · · Score: 1

      You have to have your cell phone visible on the OUTside of the vehicle? What? Won't strapping the cell to the roof make it a little hard to use it?

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    7. Re:Why not test? by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

      To drive on the phone, you have to have a special license plate and you have to have your cell phone visible on the outside of the vehicle.

      Joe and Jane are married. One of them is a supertasker, the other isn't.

      They own one car.

      You figure it out.

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  59. Mostly harmful. by mosb1000 · · Score: 1

    Plenty of people think they are awesome multitaskers. They are wrong.

    Most of them are wrong.

  60. Don't UNO and drive! by antdude · · Score: 1
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  61. Somewhere... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Somewhere there's a happy carcass laughing his ass off, and his headstone says "Charles Darwin"

  62. I AM... by denzacar · · Score: 1

    ...Supertaskerus!*

    *Didn't read through all the comments, but I am rather amazed that there aren't more posters claiming the "Supertasker's" cape.
    Or is it cowl?
    Shield maybe?
    Sword?

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  63. superstupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only stupid, selfish, ignorant, bastards drive while on the phone. I don't give a damn about your life, but that teen who is just learning how to drive doesn't deserve to die because of you.

    I've driven for more than 22 years without an accident, in LA, and DC, and foreign countries. Why? I've successfully evaded a tremendous number of people who were set on hitting me. Part of that is always going to be luck, as you cannot plan and prepare for everything. But the far greater part of it is also paying attention to your surroundings, your projected surroundings, and manuevering into positions that give you options. Truly defensive driving. I've had people try to rear-end me at intersections at more than 50mph. I've had people try to t-bone me from side streets. I've had drunks on the wrong side of the road at 2am try to head-on crash with me. So far, I've been paying attention, driving defensively, and staying alive and crash free. I do not care how good you think you are at multitasking. Throw an unexpected road hazard at you and try throwing the same one at me. I promise you, I'll outperform you every single time.

  64. Laughable at best by nfc_Death · · Score: 1

    A study group of 200 in set conditions. Sounds to me like 1 in 40 people are more comfortable while driving and are capable of concentration on other things. I fail to see how this proves cell phones are not a distraction from driving for a small percentage of people. Perhaps it would have been better to say;
    Those more comfortable with driving as a task, do better when having to perform another task, under set conditions.
    For I do not believe for a second that these people are going to retain their 'supertasking' ability in an emergency. The whole idea behind not allowing cell phones while driving has more to do with emergency situations then running a red cause you're a jackass and are distracted easily. Any lapse in concentration from driving (changing radio station, conversing with passenger, looking at scenery) has been proven to cause accidents. Why? The unexpected. If your full attention is not on the road, pedestrians, other vehicles, and things directly pertaining to the task of driving, you absolutely will miss something one day, and you absolutely will pay for it with injury and possible fatality.

  65. Consistency? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Over what period of time and with what consistency were these drivers able to perform at this level?

  66. I am one of those 1/40th... by RichiH · · Score: 1

    ...and so is everyone else on /.

  67. Not comprehensive enough by WinstonWolfIT · · Score: 0

    When a person can be cited for juggling a sandwich, drink, chips and the steering wheel between his hands and legs, then the roads will be safer. I'd lay any odds to the availability of fast food being directly related to the accident rate on any particular stretch of highway.

  68. Some people are better than others by loufoque · · Score: 1

    Basically, the conclusion is that some people are better than the majority of other people at certain things.
    Who would have thought?
    Oh and those guys that are better are probably better because they have more *experience* with it, so if you train, you can become better too!

  69. An important detail... by BitterOak · · Score: 1

    Even if you don't RTFA, the summary contains this little gem which most seem to have missed:

    In a small study, such 'supertaskers' were just as good at driving when carrying on a conversation over a hands-free phone as they were when fully focused.

    The keyword is hands-free. In fact, in most states with cell phone driving restrictions, the restrictions don't apply to hands-free phones. So I don't know what this proves. The next article quoted in the summary goes on to talk about texting which does require hands. So the summary is really comparing apples and oranges. In fact, I'm not sure what we're supposed to conclude from all this.

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  70. My confession by Trip6 · · Score: 1

    Bless me father, for I have sinned on the road.

    Even though I have bluetooth and speaker phone capability in my BMW, I haven't recorded the people I want to call on my voice-activation list, and so I hunt my iPhone for their names while weaving in my lane.

    I also sometimes check new email headers just because I am so bored during my 36 mile commute.

    I also confess to glancing at the cover screen which pops up new text messages and missed calls and voicemails when they come in.

    So while I don't text per se, I am certainly guilty of being distracted while driving.

    I am NOT a supertasker. I just can't resist the siren song of the iPhone, always beckoning me with the sweet voice of non-boredom...

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  71. Statistics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you were asked to control your car while doing some distracting math problems (the test given in the study), you would probably do poorly. But note that "probably." There is a chance that you might simply luck out and do fine.

    That chance might even be somewhere around 1/40. Without doing way more work than spending an hour in the car with 200 people, we don't know.

    In short, there is no good evidence for "supertaskers" in the article. Don't fall for the hype next time, kthx.

  72. Problem is... by jonadab · · Score: 1

    37 out of 40 people think they are the 1 person out of 40 who's just fine. 36 of them are mistaken.

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  73. 195 out of 200 are NOT super-multitaskers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and should not drive while on the phone.

  74. Druhnkh eahdehrs. by Forty+Two+Tenfold · · Score: 1

    i fucking fail aht reaheahding thihs suhmmarhymm whili hummm behing duhruhnkg...

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  75. Great, now everyone by Locklin · · Score: 1

    Great, now everyone will believe they are supertaskers along with being "good drivers" and above average intelligence.

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  76. I'm Still Waiting... by eak125 · · Score: 1

    I'm still waiting for congress to outlaw children, pets, food, makeup and music in vehicles. I find those to be bigger distractions to drivers. In my proposed law every driver is sectioned off in a sound proof, Faraday caged corner of their own car away from all passengers with no other input but the road! The car won't start if it senses food, drink or mp3 players. The rear-view mirror detects the application of makeup and causes the minivan to pull over. The last part is the outlawing of all flying insects that can enter through the windows. That's the only way to be completely distraction free and will help the economy because an entire industry will be created to retrofit every car on the road to being this new form of street legal.

  77. Sick of this nonsense hype by jmkrtyuio · · Score: 1

    Anyone who actually needs to devote 100 percent of their attention to their driving under normal conditions is most definitely a seriously bad driver and dangerous to everyone else.

    The brain hunts for efficiency. This means it does not devote more effort to routine tasks than is required.

    This also means the brain tends to try to put idle cycles into work on something, anything, else.

    This should be plain as day. Common sense isnt common.

  78. Maybe this explains by Udigs · · Score: 1

    Why I drive drunk so well? I'm an ultra-mega-super tasker!

  79. what to do about it? by Khashishi · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I hate riding around and seeing idiots jabbering on the phone in their SUVs and driving like I'm not even there. I feel like there's absolutely no recourse to the action. They aren't likely to hear me if I cuss them out, and I don't typically carry items to throw. I feel like there's nothing to reinforce proper behavior until they kill somebody, because there's just nothing I can do to them to get it through their heads that they are dumbasses before they drive off. Seriously, is there any way to get these idiots off the road? Will sending photos to police help?

    1. Re:what to do about it? by Green+Salad · · Score: 2, Insightful

      >Would sending photos to police help?

      I'd think knowing a driver's insurance company and being able to send photos of risky behavior to them would be more effective than the cops. Money is a pretty powerful motive.

  80. I don't buy it by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    Distracted driving is just that...a distraction. I can multitask with the best of them, but if it is other than a simple SHORT conversation, I find a parking lot to duck into (even using blue tooth). I use to volunteer working 911 for almost 13 years, and was very good at hearing 2-3 radio channels AND the phone, picking out what I needed, but, I didn't have to worry about crashing the radio into the wall either, I was sitting on my butt! Talking and driving is bad enough, TEXTING and driving is C&I, pure & simple.

  81. Christ! by Naznarreb · · Score: 1

    Now we're going to have every asshole who causes an accident while texting/eating/shaving/writing a report/all at once will whine "But I'm a supertasker! it's impossible for me to drive distracted!"

  82. Re:Only steers and queers come to Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ya, but you're here too and I don't hear any mooing.
    Sounds like a case of projection to me.

  83. Passenger seat by kabloom · · Score: 1

    How is talking on a hands-free phone any different from talking to the guy in the passenger seat? (In fact, I'd probably be safer on hands-free phone than I am when I'm talking to a date and tempted to look at her while I talk.)

    1. Re:Passenger seat by upuv · · Score: 1

      Put a sack on her head and masturbate before your leave the house.

      Solved.

  84. Education by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Pilots are trained for the ability to prioritize tasks while multitasking.

    Aviate - navigate - communicate

    In that order. Its not all that hard once you get your priorities straight. Respond to the tower -after- youve finished making your turn, adjust transponder -after- finishing your climbout... in the car tell your friend to hold on a sec while youre crossing that intersection, wait until -after- that lane change to fiddle with the cd player.

    Using these methods i have been able to navigate LA rush hour in a 18 wheeler whilst talking to dispatch on the phone without any danger to myself or others.

    Like you said, we dont -really- want drivers to glue their eyes to the road with 100% attention over a 6 hour drive anyway, it leads to fatigue and highway hypnosis... however we also dont want people watching cable tevee on the dashboard, we need to find a happy median somewhere in between.

    1. Re:Education by u38cg · · Score: 1

      Actually, fitting cable TV to most peoples cars sounds like a very sensible safety measure, the reason being they wouldn't be able to go anywhere due to the cable attached to their car.

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  85. Bad drivers to begin with by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Supertaskers are lousy drivers to begin with. Throw in a simultaneous phone call and they still can't pay attention to the road.

  86. confusing results by natergj · · Score: 1

    Does this mean that 1 in 40 drivers are supertaskers, or do they just suck at driving whether they're on their phone or not? If the latter is true, I'm pretty sure that number is way off.

  87. Yeah, and some people can juggle six lemmings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can't make laws or rules to suit the minority who are exceptional if it means also allowing the unexceptional through the gate.

  88. Difference between Supertaskers and Supertakers .. by freaker_TuC · · Score: 1

    You can see the difference between a Supertasker and a Supertaker by comparing with the Undertaker because of Undertasking.

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  89. Inaccurate stub, linked article by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

    The figure given in the stub, and the linked article, is inaccurate.

    "The small percentage of what the authors termed "supertaskers" obviously left the authors considering the possibility that it was a statistical fluke. So, they created four pools from the scores from their tests (memory, math, braking distance, and response time) and used Monte Carlo sampling to create 100,000 random scores. Supertaskers appeared in only 0.16 percent of these, which indicates that the 2.5 percent figure they saw represents a real phenomena. "

    Cite (seventh paragraph)

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  90. The politically correct explanation by tinkerton · · Score: 1

    instead of thinking of 'supertasking' as only the ability to just do more things simultaneously you have to add the ability of some people to multitask some combinations while others can multitask other combinations.
    Think of kind of a map of things a certain person can do simultanuously, and things that get in each other's way.
    Different people have different maps, and training can modify the map to some extent.
    With training a pianist can learn to do different things with left and right hand, or a drummer can learn to play different rthms with left and right feet.
    On the other hand some guitarists can easily sing and play, others just can't do it, as if one guitarist needs the same part of the brain for both tasks, while another uses different parts.
    Richard Feynman once spent time investigating that map. Some people can easily keep time, counting off 60 seconds very reliably while doing other tasks such as reading, and others just can't do it.
    Some people will be better at multitasking, while some will just be different at it. I wonder if the researchers distinguished between those.

  91. Ask Alice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One pill makes you larger
    And one pill makes you small
    And the ones that mother gives you
    Don't do anything at all
    Go ask Alice
    When she's ten feet tall

  92. Enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Really, anyone that drives any amount in the US (I can't speak to other countries) has seen plenty of bad drivers. Ask yourself this: in the last two years, how many drivers that did something stupid that forced you to yield when you had right of way were talking on a cell phone?

    In my case, it was almost every single goddamn one of them.

  93. rounding the corner...aaaand...it's Feyman again by epine · · Score: 1

    "Physics is Fun to Imagine" interview with BBC

    I can't play 'tube on this box. It's likely segment 11 or 12 where Feynman gets into a multitasking competition with statistician John Tukey, and discovers that they can multitask different things, if no-one around here is patient enough to sit through the whole thing.

    Just what did he think he was doing wasting all this time figuring this stuff out 40 years ago before anyone cared?

  94. Readers, makup.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now if they'd only ban reading while driving in traffic (or 65mph+) or putting on makeup, or shaving, or... ???

  95. Which do you fall into by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

    I very often use my cell phone while i drive as I am know that I am able to do it as I never take my eyes of the road,
    even to dial (speed dial), I often even eat on the road while driving, but there is a way of driving while doing activities that
    you must be aware of .....you can not be clueless, or unaware while driving...as there is no room for error.

    Accidents happen because of lack of care....if you pay close enough attention, you can always avoid most accidents.
    Many people are oblivious though, and giving them another reason to be even less aware on the road is not a good thing.
    I do not think cell phones should be illegal, but then again I do think many people should not be allowed to drive...
    and have their license revoked

  96. Is this a net positive? by Arterion · · Score: 1

    The breaking reaction time was 20% lower, but they gave themselves 30% more following distance. Is that overall a net gain in safety? Someone should work out the math on that...

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  97. Not only that ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but we're also fine with holding a bottle of beer in the other hand and steering with our knees ;-)

  98. are they sure? by vuffi_raa · · Score: 1

    are they sure that those people aren't just crappy drivers that are usually distracted by something else?

  99. Talking while driving is dangerous! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But it really does not matter if you're talking to the mobile in your hand or the person sitting next to you!