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iPhone OS 4.0 Brings Multitasking, Ad Framework For Apps

Low Ranked Craig writes "Apple had an event today to show off the next major update to the iPhone OS. iPhone OS 4.0 should arrive this summer (presumably with a new iPhone) for iPhone and iPod Touch, and in the fall for the iPad. According to Apple the update has more than 1,500 new APIs and 100 new features including the sorely missed multitasking. Other highlights include unified inbox, improved security, support for multiple Exchange accounts, application folders, iBooks, and iAd, an advertising framework for developers to put ads in their applications. The official word from Steve on Flash and Java remains a simple 'No.'" Updated 20100408 22:09 GMT by timothy: Read on for more information, including some bad news if you want to program for the iPhone in C# or Flash CS5. alphadogg points out some what he calls surprise capabilities targeted at enterprise users and IT departments, including e-mail encryption and "mobile device management."

And CWmike adds more infomation at MacWorld about iAd, which he considers the biggest news in today’s announcement, writing that one way to look at the new advertising hooks "is that Apple can now leverage the App Store/iTunes ‘ecosystem’ lock-in in effect, and deliver to advertisers a huge captive audience."

Finally, binarylarry writes with a look from Daring Fireball at the new user agreement that goes along with 4.0: "Looks like Adobe's release of CS5 with the Flash-to-native compiler has been nixed by Apple's new user agreement: '3.3.1 — Applications may only use Documented APIs in the manner prescribed by Apple and must not use or call any private APIs.'"

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  1. No ads please by Matt+Perry · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ads on mobile phone? DO NOT WANT. Unless I get a free phone and free service, but even then I'm not sure if I could tolerate it.

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    1. Re:No ads please by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The ads are for the apps that choose to use them, not for the phone service.

      Like them or hate them, the more money Apple funnels towards the developers, the better software support it will have. If it's successful expect Android to follow suit.

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    2. Re:No ads please by _xeno_ · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's for apps that already have ads, such as the NPR app. ("NPR is brought to you commercial free by the partner whose banner ad is covering half the screen.")

      Basically it's a unified ad service for smaller developers who don't have the resources to roll their own. You won't suddenly see ads on your iPhone unless you download ad-supported apps.

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    3. Re:No ads please by Kenja · · Score: 5, Funny

      On the plus side, with multi-tasking you'll be able to get several ads at once! Just image the fun times you'll have searching through your running apps trying to find the one that has the "congratulations! you're a winner!" sound file on constant loop.

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    4. Re:No ads please by beakerMeep · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're right, but expect that line to get blurred over time. Look at PBS and NPR: they dont have ads, but they do. Google is starting to do this now with Google maps on Android. They put sponsored links in the search results. While fine and noninvasive in it's present form, over time I would fully expect them to get more invasive until it is as saturated as Television. No corporation can resist a new avenue for advertising revenue. Hell, even nonprofits like NPR/PBS can't.

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    5. Re:No ads please by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      iAd

      People are laughing at me when I suggest that future iMacs will have app store lockdowns and now will be "ad-supported" to boot. It's iPhone 4.0 today and OSX 11 tomorrow. And it will still be irresistibly shiny.

      You slashdotters out there: did you first get into computing and technology in order to consume more advertising and to have someone else tell you which software to run? Or did you turn to technology and computing in rejection of advertising and lockdowns (aka "command and control")? When you first got into computing and technology did you learn more from the gear that you had to fiddle with or the gear that "just worked"?

      I swear to you by all that is holy, by the time this is over, we're going to regret having been in such an all-consuming hurry to suck the iDick.

      Watch and See.

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    6. Re:No ads please by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Its a unified ad service to give Apple 40% of the pie.

      Expect apps using home rolled ad solutions to be bounced

      It's a unified ad service to keep the information gathered by an ad service out of Google's hands.

    7. Re:No ads please by clang_jangle · · Score: 5, Insightful

      People are laughing at me when I suggest that future iMacs will have app store lockdowns and now will be "ad-supported" to boot.

      Yes, they're laughing because you're woefully misinformed (or maybe just a troll). Apple has a very good thing going with developers and OS X -- and it's a completely different from their consumer electronic business because it's a completely different market. Many devs love OS X but wouldn't be caught dead with an iPhone or iPad. Many iPad or iPhone users are looking forward to the day they can replace their computer with an iPpliance -- totally different markets.

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    8. Re:No ads please by tgibbs · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you don't want apps with ads, don't download them. As with computer software, it is likely that many apps will be available in free versions without ads and also in paid, add-free versions.

    9. Re:No ads please by jo_ham · · Score: 4, Informative

      This already exists in the App Store, but the feature has to be coded specifically per-app. This adds an API to make it easier to implement. It will not be universal, but will likely be used for "lite" apps that exist on the store (as they do now, for free) that have a more fully featured paid version. This makes it easier to add an ad-supported stream to your free app, and not have to source the ad providers yourself.

      OS X will continue as it always has.

    10. Re:No ads please by Flipao · · Score: 3, Funny

      They came first for the iPhones but I didn't speak up for I was too hip for an iPhone And then they came for the iPads, And I didn’t speak up because they are completely different markets. And then . . . they came for Mac OS. . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up.

    11. Re:No ads please by The+End+Of+Days · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Since nothing is holy, your swearing is pure theatre.

      In any case, it's not like Apple owns the entire PC market, phone market, or consumer electronics market. They simply don't have the power to dictate the sorts of things you are warning about. They can provide it as a choice, but that's not really an issue unless you are one of those people who believes that everyone should only have the choices you've blessed. If that is indeed the case, you're fucked and always have been. Sorry if I am the one to break it to you.

    12. Re:No ads please by AresTheImpaler · · Score: 5, Insightful
      People are laughing at me when I suggest that future iMacs will have app store lockdowns and now will be "ad-supported" to boot. It's iPhone 4.0 today and OSX 11 tomorrow.

      the ads are for those applications that want to make money thru ads. If developers dont want them, even on their free application, they dont have to include them. The whole thing is so that if you want to include ads, they have some hooks on the SDK so that it's easy for the developer.
      also, about app store lockdown, I seriously doubt it. In fact, when steam announced that they were releasing a mac client, appleinsider interviewed them (link here). John Cook from Valve was asked if Apple was helping them. He replied:
      "Cook: Yes, we've been working with them a bunch as we get more acquainted with their platform. They've been a great partner so far and we look forward to growing our relationship with them over time."
      So yeah, even tho some slashdot trolls and some slashdot haters do not like apple and make up stuff, what you said, it's not going to happen.

      Watch and See

    13. Re:No ads please by The+End+Of+Days · · Score: 5, Funny

      But I deserve free apps with no ads! I'm not sure why I deserve it, or how I can force people to provide what I desire, but I'm gonna whine while I'm not getting my way.

    14. Re:No ads please by Nick+Ives · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Apple has a very good thing going with developers and OS X

      And an even better thing going with the iPad and the iPhone.

      If Apple decides that it's more profitable to have a locked down desktop that can only install apps from the app store then they'll do it. It wouldn't surprise me if they locked down iMac and left the Mac Pro for people who want to use professional applications.

      Having said that, why wouldn't Apple put Final Cut on the app store if that's how they wanted their desktops to be run? If Apple decided to lock down, who's to say Adobe wouldn't just go with the flow and distribute Photoshop that way too?

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    15. Re:No ads please by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Following the money means devs will focus their energies on where it's profitable. Make it dirt simple to do and the iPhone becomes a more attractive platform. Sway enough dev-work their way, Google responds with their own. Thus not being able to get away from it.

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    16. Re:No ads please by DJRumpy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Of course iPhone users have a choice. The ratings for apps are right there on the app page, along with user comments. If they get abusive with ads (and there are already some apps that tried this), the users complain, and the app gets a low rating. Since there are more apps than you can throw a phone at, it's rarely difficult to find one you like, even among the free offerings.

      "Lack of lock-in means I can find and use an alternative without ads. Or better yet, use an open source alternative if one exists. iPhone users have no such choice."

    17. Re:No ads please by Karlt1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You slashdotters out there: did you first get into computing and technology in order to consume more advertising and to have someone else tell you which software to run?

      So do you really think that Google is supporting Android for any other reason than to supply advertising? Their whole business strategy is based on ads. Microsoft is even placing ads in their bundled apps for the Zune.

    18. Re:No ads please by clang_jangle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For one thing OS X is a *nix, with full shell/root access. Tricky to lock that down, not to mention all the people who use it because of that would quickly switch to Linux.

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    19. Re:No ads please by Red+Flayer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      did you first get into computing and technology in order to consume more advertising and to have someone else tell you which software to run? Or did you turn to technology and computing in rejection of advertising and lockdowns

      Neither.

      I got into computing and technology because it was fricking fun to write and play 3000-line adventure games with my friends in BASIC on a PET2001 -- which, by the way, just worked.

      I personally don't care about advertising. It doesn't bother me one bit in the grand scheme of things, since I'm capable of tuning them out. If the ads in a particular context bother me, then I avoid that context.

      When you first got into computing and technology did you learn more from the gear that you had to fiddle with or the gear that "just worked"?

      Seems to me like your core issue is the idea of a computer as an appliance.

      Why not use computer appliances for what they're designed for, and scratch your tinkering itch somewhere else? It's not like Apple is the alpha and omega of computing.

      There's plenty of room for tech consumers and tech tinkerers alike in this world. Do Apple's offerings really limit your ability to tinker and learn?

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    20. Re:No ads please by jo_ham · · Score: 2, Informative

      Because they are totally different markets.

      Does make all their cars like the GT40 because that's the one with the biggest profit margin? No, they sell a variety of products that meet different needs, much like Apple does.

      The iPhone/iPad market is not the same as the OS X market.

      Having bought 10 or 11 copies of Final Cut Studio over the years, they wouldn't go with an app store model because the install is approximately 80 gigs if you install everything, including the loops, fonts and other assets that you can use in Motion projects, DVD projects, Soundtrack etc. Plus, the box it comes in is about 6 inches thick and 90% is filled by the printed manuals (although they also provide all those manuals as PDFs on the disks). I'm not downloading that over the internet.

      Different markets.

    21. Re:No ads please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Expect apps using home rolled ad solutions to be bounced

      Except that Steve Jobs specifically said during the Q&A developers were free to use other ad services. But don't let facts get in the way of a good troll.

    22. Re:No ads please by Fluffeh · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hmmm, I wonder who left this lying around here.

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    23. Re:No ads please by causality · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I personally don't care about advertising. It doesn't bother me one bit in the grand scheme of things, since I'm capable of tuning them out. If the ads in a particular context bother me, then I avoid that context.

      I wonder if you're aware that you're making excuses. The real objection is not about whether you like to see ads or don't like to see ads. No. The objection is that the moment you see a single ad you did not wish to see, you have lost control over the device. That's completely unacceptable when you are already paying. That's why personal preferences towards advertising are completely irrelevant.

      For something like broadcast TV or broadcast radio, that's acceptable, since it costs money to produce those things and you are viewing ads instead of paying a bill. You are obtaining something of value to offset the cost of watching ads. That makes it a fair exchange. However, when you are paying for a phone, phone service, and the application, and still see ads, this is no longer justifiable. It's a form of double-dipping. Thus, it's an adversarial way of relating to your customers because it amounts to taking advantage of them.

      It has nothing to do with whether anyone likes ads. It has to do with the fact that a company is making money from ad revenue without earning that money by providing something of value in return. If you're already paying for it on your own, they are failing to do this but are still collecting ad revenues. It's foolish to reward this behavior because it's parasitic in nature. Do you ever wonder why there are so many companies that take advantage, exploit, and find ways to screw people over? It's because we reward them with our business.

      The only time this would be acceptable would be for free apps that would otherwise cost money. Please read this quote from the summary and tell me whether you believe Apple is going to restrict these ad functions to free apps only (emphasis mine):

      And CWmike adds more infomation at MacWorld about iAd, which he considers the biggest news in today’s announcement, writing that one way to look at the new advertising hooks "is that Apple can now leverage the App Store/iTunes ‘ecosystem’ lock-in in effect, and deliver to advertisers a huge captive audience."

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    24. Re:No ads please by geekoid · · Score: 2, Informative

      " Many devs love OS X but wouldn't be caught dead with an iPhone or iPa"

      anecdotally, I find that not to be true. Pretty much every programmer I know that works on OSX has an iPhone.

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    25. Re:No ads please by AresTheImpaler · · Score: 4, Funny

      god damn it man, why did you take away my , totally uncool....

    26. Re:No ads please by timeOday · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Apple has a very good thing going with developers and OS X

      Does apple even care about personal computers any more?

      The last noteworthy computer they announced was the Air (which in retrospect seems like a super-advanced iPad that was largely ignored).

    27. Re:No ads please by arb+phd+slp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Final Cut Studio is a great example of how the two markets are different. The iGadgets are for the consumption of media content. Macintoshes are for the creation of media. What could possibly be gained by locking down the latter like is done on the former?

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    28. Re:No ads please by BitHive · · Score: 3, Funny

      People are laughing because you sound like the Glenn Beck of computing trends.

    29. Re:No ads please by Red+Flayer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I wonder if you're aware that you're making excuses. The real objection is not about whether you like to see ads or don't like to see ads. No. The objection is that the moment you see a single ad you did not wish to see, you have lost control over the device. That's completely unacceptable when you are already paying. That's why personal preferences towards advertising are completely irrelevant.

      False. That's your objection, not mine. My objection would have nothing to do with control. It has to do with functionality. If the appliance does what I want from it, I have no problem. There are no excuses involved, since there is nothing to excuse.

      That makes it a fair exchange. However, when you are paying for a phone, phone service, and the application, and still see ads, this is no longer justifiable. It's a form of double-dipping. Thus, it's an adversarial way of relating to your customers because it amounts to taking advantage of them.

      And yet millions of people pay for cable television, or for magazines, which still have ads in them. I fail to see the problem. When people have the choice of services or appliances to use, then the problem solves itself. Content servers find a way to operate profitably with some kind of split revenue from customer billing and from ad revenues. Why shouldn't ad serving subsidize subscription cost?

      It has nothing to do with whether anyone likes ads. It has to do with the fact that a company is making money from ad revenue without earning that money by providing something of value in return.

      I don't understand. You can freely choose not to accept the services of that company, and not have to see any ads from them. Bully for you -- stand by your principles and don't do business with that company. Meanwhile, the fact that the company has two separate revenue streams doesn't bother me -- our CHOICE is to evaluate whether the service provided is worth the cost, where the cost includes the inconvenience or annoyance of ads, and the cash we lay out to the company.

      Do you ever wonder why there are so many companies that take advantage, exploit, and find ways to screw people over? It's because we reward them with our business.

      And that's our individual choice to make. You place a high value on maintaining "control" of your devices, or on not needing to see ads. I don't. So when presented with the same choice, you and I may choose differently. The market sorts out what business model is successful, not your personal value system.

      It's foolish to reward this behavior because it's parasitic in nature.

      That's silly. All profit-seeking enterprise is parasitic in nature if you look at it that way.

      The only time this would be acceptable would be for free apps that would otherwise cost money. Please read this quote from the summary and tell me whether you believe Apple is going to restrict these ad functions to free apps only

      No need to re-read, since I disagree with your premise. Why should we not have a choice between apps that are free and ad-laden, expensive and ad-free, or some other combination? Why does it have to be black-and-white? Why can't I choose an app that gives me what I believe to be the best service, but costs me some cash and also serves ads? Why not let the market decide which model (or even likely multiple models) is out there for me to choose from?

      And for that matter, so what if this were to go to the ridiculous extreme and Apple requires all apps to serve ads, or they won't get approved? So what? Then you can simply not use an Apple appliance. Nothing is forcing you to do business with them.

      Seriously, I don't understand where you're coming from. Because of a set of values YOU hold, that are far from universal, you want to limit the choices available to me as a consumer, and to developers also?

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    30. Re:No ads please by node+3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      People are laughing at me when I suggest that future iMacs will have app store lockdowns and now will be "ad-supported" to boot. It's iPhone 4.0 today and OSX 11 tomorrow. And it will still be irresistibly shiny.

      And we're still laughing at you, because it's an imbecilic notion. Apple is *not* going to lock down OS X any time soon. To think they are is to follow the same brain-damaged logic that the teabaggers follow when they say that government healthcare will lead to "death panels" and forced euthanasia.

    31. Re:No ads please by Wovel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I have no evidence other than my own anecdotal experience, but MACs tend to be used by the two extremes of the user community, the power-users and the newbies. I would imagine the percentage of the mac community that could be objectively called "power-users" is significantly higher for OSX than Windows.

    32. Re:No ads please by Wovel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You used a lot of words to say "I don't understand what this discussion is about"

      The ads are in APPS, not in the general use of the phone. The developers have a choice to include ads or not in their apps and you have the choice to buy or not buy APPS with ADS in them. It is actually acceptable for any app developers who wants to include ads in their app. You are always free to purchase the app or not purchase the app.

    33. Re:No ads please by Wovel · · Score: 2

      The APP store will not require ads, and there are tons of apps that already have ads. I suppose if Apple said "All APPS must have ADs", you might have a point. They did not say anything like that.

    34. Re:No ads please by jo_ham · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So wait, because they a lacking a sub $1000 gaming laptop, they have no variety? Despite selling laptops, a small PC, an all in one and a tower?

      The new Macbook is reasonable with a 9400M - there's a video of someone putting it through its paces on youtube with Oblivion and TF2 on high settings. Hardly cutting edge, but then why are you looking at Apple if you want a dedicated mobile gaming rig? Laptops with hefty GPUs are available from other suppliers.

      My point was that their computer market is different from their commodity handset/tablet market, and that a business model in one does not automatically mean that business model is used in the other. They can sell two different business models without having to homogenise.

    35. Re:No ads please by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It will be the first reason I jailbreak my phone.

      because someone will make a iAD's blocker. and I'll jump on that like flies to a turd...

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    36. Re:No ads please by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Dude I dont call pop-up ad's a desierable feature.... you windows fanbois are incredibly strange.

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    37. Re:No ads please by dingen · · Score: 2, Insightful

      For one thing OS X is a *nix, with full shell/root access. Tricky to lock that down

      Well they seem to have locked up the iPhone, iPod Touch and iPad pretty good though. Same OS X kernel, same Unix, just a different userland.

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    38. Re:No ads please by feepness · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Cook: Yes, we've been working with them a bunch as we get more acquainted with their platform. They've been a great partner so far and we look forward to growing our relationship with them over time."

      Ah, the embrace phase of embrace, extend, extinguish.

    39. Re:No ads please by kainewynd2 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm just saying, don't claim variety if they can't even deliver a good system that fits a whole sub-market.

      Absolutely! I call foul on the lack of furry friendly devices from Apple! Until they give me something that can work with my oversized unicorn gloves, I won't buy a thing from them!
      /sarcasm...
      No, really. /sarcasm. I just don't get... eh, ugh... never mind. This post wasn't worth the research I put into it.

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    40. Re:No ads please by medcalf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Markets are wonderful. Apple won't have to restrict this to pay ads, because the market will refuse to accept for-pay applications with ads. It has in fact already done exactly that. When people started putting ads in for-pay apps (because of Apple's earlier limited ways for developers to earn money from existing users for future app versions), they faced a user revolt, and some never recovered even after they removed the ads.

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    41. Re:No ads please by Stile+65 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Maybe you typed "Fnord" instead? :)

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    42. Re:No ads please by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2, Informative

      However, when you are paying for a phone, phone service, and the application, and still see ads, this is no longer justifiable. It's a form of double-dipping.

      Why? You're paying a certain price for an application, part of which is in cash, and part is in ad views. You know about both parts in advance, before you buy. Where is the "double-dipping" in that?

      Anyway, all that said... a similar service has been available on Android for ages. In practice, the way it is mostly used is this: applications have a "full" version, which costs $$$ and is ad-free, and a "lite" version, which is free, often has less features, and is ad-supported. Any paid application with ads is readily downvoted by the users.

    43. Re:No ads please by Raffaello · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's not that you deserve to take whatever you want from your neighbor's house, but society deserves to, because the marginal cost of a copy of the key to your neighbor's house is basically zero. Charging money for sleeping in your neighbor's spare bedroom is a sign that there's an economic inefficiency somewhere and that society could be better off, theoretically somehow.

      ;^)

    44. Re:No ads please by indiechild · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If some developer starts putting ads into paid apps, then vote with your feet and don't buy these apps. Better yet, don't buy an iPhone/iPod.

      It's fucking called freedom of choice.

    45. Re:No ads please by mdwh2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      He said future. There is nothing in his post that is misinformed.

      Yes, you're quite right that OS X Apple PCs are a world of difference from the Iphones and Ipads. But at the same time, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if Apple drop OS X for Iphone OS in future. You said it yourself:

      Many iPad or iPhone users are looking forward to the day they can replace their computer with an iPpliance

      And so Apple may decide to cater for them - and why bother with the hassle of trying to maintain two operating systems? Apple has no allegience to any particular technology - they've a long history of dropping things (PowerPC, the first "MacOS") when it no longer suited them, even when for years they seemed core to their business and something they'd spent large amounts of effort trying to promote.

  2. Fantastic news by amliebsch · · Score: 5, Funny

    Every time I use an iPhone, I can't help thinking, "if only this had more *ads*." I mean, really, what good is a smart phone without pop-over advertisements?

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    1. Re:Fantastic news by QuantumRiff · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I can't wait to see how many annoying (but non-flash) ads full of animation and video can do to get me right up to my 5GB data limit every month.

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    2. Re:Fantastic news by UnknowingFool · · Score: 3, Informative

      I don't know if you've ever used any free Apps but most of them are ad-supported. Normally they use some sort of construct to show you an ad. Apple is making a framework for ads so developers no longer have to kluge them in.

      "Developers [who create free apps] need to find a way to start making their money," Jobs said. "A lot of developers turn to advertising - and we think these current advertisements really suck."

      During its presentation of the new ad network, chief executive Steve Jobs noted that when you click on existing iPhone mobile ads, it yanks you out of the application you're running and launches a web ad. This prevents people from clicking on ads more often.

      Also they are developing a ecosystem so that ad-content revenue is handled differently. Normally a developer would have to negotiate with the ad generator. Instead Apple can handle all that for you. App developers can still use the old system if they wish but it probably will not be as advanced.

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    3. Re:Fantastic news by bonch · · Score: 4, Informative

      Okay, since Slashdotters are clearly going to be completely reactionary and assume this means ads are going to be popping-over all your apps (did you even watch the media event to see it in action?), let's get this out of the way:

      1.) This is for apps that are already ad-supported, like all those free and .99 versions that complement the more expensive, ad-free versions.
      2.) The point is so that every app developer doesn't have to roll their own ad systems like they do now.
      2.) The ads are just little HTML5 banners.

      That's all it is, Slashdot.

    4. Re:Fantastic news by bonch · · Score: 5, Informative

      If you don't want to see the ads, don't buy ad-supported apps. There is almost always a more expensive ad-free version. iAd is just so every developer doesn't have to implement their own ad system every time.

      God, the uninformed, reactionary Apple-haters are out in full force today.

  3. Multitasking NOT coming to iPhone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Read the article:

    Apple looked at thousands of apps to determine what services apps would most need to keep running while in the background. "In iPhone OS 4, we're providing those services as APIs to developers,"

    In other words, the iPhone still isn't capable of doing true multitasking, something that other smartphones - well, never lacked.

    Instead you're still stuck with only being able to do the things that Apple has decided to allow their sheep the ability to do on Apple's phone - not what the lowly sheep that bought it wishes they could do.

    1. Re:Multitasking NOT coming to iPhone by timmarhy · · Score: 2

      but some people do, and that's the point of wanting it. duh.

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    2. Re:Multitasking NOT coming to iPhone by UnknowingFool · · Score: 5, Insightful

      True multi-tasking isn't coming to the iPhone. The multi-tasking will be limited. If it falls under 7 different categories it will be supported.

      Apple has always been against mult-tasking because they claim it hampers performance and drains the battery. As a Window Mobile user, I can't count the number of times my phone was freaking sluggish only to find that certain apps were running in the background that didn't kill themselves properly. With this Apple will allow certain types of behavior. Most of the multi-tasking that most consumers have wanted falls under one of these categories. Now if you're trying to sequence a genome while twittering your friends, that's probably not supported.

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    3. Re:Multitasking NOT coming to iPhone by pushing-robot · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I would have been pissed if they'd copied WinMo's or most other implementations. As it is, it's at about the edge of my tolerance level. I loved the old Palm PDAs, which had execute-in-place but no background tasks to bog the thing down. It was great knowing that when an app was closed it was using zero system resources without losing any unsaved work. Most devices I've used since then turn into a whack-a-mole of ending programs I'd forgotten about and processes that decided they just wanted to stick around and sightsee. Apple's solution tries to satisfy everyone, but I'm not getting my hopes up until I see how developers abuse it.

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    4. Re:Multitasking NOT coming to iPhone by amicusNYCL · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not everybody wants a SSH console on their mobile phone.

      .. and that's the only thing multi-tasking is useful for, right?

      Sorry, what was your point?

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    5. Re:Multitasking NOT coming to iPhone by markdavis · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I have, and it doesn't impress me. It is far from true multitasking. If you want to see "slick", you need to look at how Palm WebOS does it, and has been doing it for the last 9 months the Pre has been out:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waS1jKCrm5I&feature=player_embedded
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mMIHQhSyw4
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-bGE7FCmDQ

    6. Re:Multitasking NOT coming to iPhone by amicusNYCL · · Score: 4, Funny

      "We weren't the first to this party," Jobs said of the new multitasking feature, "but we're going to be the best. Just like cut and paste."

      Also, apparently Apple is the market leader in cutting and pasting.

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    7. Re:Multitasking NOT coming to iPhone by jo_ham · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So it basically implements multitasking like Android does it, with state saving and helper processes.

    8. Re:Multitasking NOT coming to iPhone by LinuxIsGarbage · · Score: 2, Insightful

      iPhones will now be on par with the multitasking ability of Task Swapping in MS-DOS 4.0!

    9. Re:Multitasking NOT coming to iPhone by quacking+duck · · Score: 2, Funny

      "We weren't the first to this party," Jobs said of the new multitasking feature, "but we're going to be the best. Just like cut and paste."

      Also, apparently Apple is the market leader in cutting and pasting.

      In fact, they're so far ahead that even Microsoft has given up and decided to remove it from WinMobile 7!

    10. Re:Multitasking NOT coming to iPhone by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Apple has always been against mult-tasking because they claim it hampers performance and drains the battery. As a Window Mobile user, I can't count the number of times my phone was freaking sluggish only to find that certain apps were running in the background that didn't kill themselves properly.

      As an Android user, I have IM and IRC running in background all the time, and my battery life is just fine. And, no, I don't use any "task killer" applications.

      I understand that it's very convenient to point fingers at poor WinMo while explaining why Apple can't do something right, but that's about as meaningful as saying that KDE4 is awesome because it's better than Vista. Let's compare apples and apples - i.e. modern mobile OS to modern mobile OS.

  4. Multitasking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Oh dear, iphone fans won't like this at all. They hate multitasking. They've been very vocal about it. I doubt they'll like the new iphone at all. They'll probably tell everyone that it's crap now :(

    1. Re:Multitasking by JonJ · · Score: 4, Funny

      People that like Apple are flexible, you have to be since you have to bend over all the time.

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    2. Re:Multitasking by amasiancrasian · · Score: 2, Funny

      How I wish I had mod points for you! Steve Jobs also jokes that he's God:

      Q: Why have you veered away from widgets on the iPad? A: We just shipped it on Saturday. And then we rested on Sunday. Q: So widgets are possible? A: Everything is possible.

      Although some aren't so sure he's joking...

    3. Re:Multitasking by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's not that we hate multitasking. It's that we hate excessive chrome and we hate having our batteries die because some useless crap is running in the background and we forgot about it.

      So rather than replace the offending app, or tell the developer to fix a bug in that rogue app, we'll just eliminate an entire, basic category of OS functionality for everyone. Makes sense in a SteveJobsian sort of way...

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  5. Whoa, whoa by Bluesman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wait a second here. Wasn't the lack of multitasking a feature that made the iPad and iPhone so great? It allowed you to relax and compute!

    What are they doing? Why is Apple taking all of the zen out?

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    1. Re:Whoa, whoa by tgibbs · · Score: 4, Informative

      Wasn't the lack of multitasking a feature that made the iPad and iPhone so great?

      Not particularly. In fact, they've always had multitasking, just not for 3rd party apps. What made them great was having a consistently fast, responsive user interface and reliable essential functions that did not bog down because of apps hogging the processor. But everybody figured that Apple would eventually work out a way to offer background processing to 3rd party developers while maintaining those strengths.

    2. Re:Whoa, whoa by ShecoDu · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "In multitasking, if you see a task manager, they blew it. Users shouldn’t have to ever, ever, ever think about that stuff."

      Fast forward a year

      "In this new iPhone OS 5.0, we've working on a new revolutionary feature, a real task manager, this is going to greatly improve your experience with the devices, it's so great, even we are amazed!"

    3. Re:Whoa, whoa by timmarhy · · Score: 2, Funny

      it also makes them less useful. a brick is also very functional, but on it's own only good for throwing.

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    4. Re:Whoa, whoa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Very well put. All the Apple apologists out there were lauding the lack of multitasking as a feature, not a bug, saying it enhanced the usability of the device and made it much better than its competitors. Now that King Jobs has announced multitasking support they are falling over themselves to applaud his decision, even though it goes against everything he was saying up until now. Got to love the way Jobs announces Apple will do multitasking better, "Just like we did with copy and paste". That's just hilariously grandiose.

  6. And if you have anything except an iPhone 3GS... by magsol · · Score: 3, Informative

    (or the presumed new iPhone to accompany OS 4.0)

    ...then yeah, no multitasking for you. Sorry about that.

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  7. Apple "Innovation" by Microlith · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Couple things:

    The multitasking method described is essentially identical to the one MS is using, with the process being halted in the background and the potential for it to be freed from memory at any time. The new addition is a background daemon or two that a program can contact to leave bits running while the rest is halted. Sort of a "low power multitasking." This is actually quite clever, and makes me wonder if it isn't using Grand Central closures to keep those bits spinning while the main process is halted.

    The task switching method has apparently been cited as looking extremely similar to the way S60 switches. I wouldn't know, but that's pretty funny if true.

    All in all, the critical juncture remains for me: The platform has been and will remain extremely closed. That alone is enough to ensure that I will stick with my N900 for the time being, and likely well into the future. I'll put my OS and developer interests behind MeeGo, and encourage openness.

    1. Re:Apple "Innovation" by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The multitasking method described is essentially identical to the one MS is using, with the process being halted in the background and the potential for it to be freed from memory at any time.

      God, I hope not. I hope Apple does a better job of not letting background processes suck up all the processing power and battery that some apps on my Windows Mobile phone did.

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    2. Re:Apple "Innovation" by arndawg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      He's talking about WP7 not windows mobile. WM has true multi-tasking

  8. Re:app lock down and lock in is bad censorship as by cdrudge · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's their store. If you don't like it, don't buy their device. Or jailbreak it.

  9. Re:So no flash or java, but we get ads! by lolwhat · · Score: 5, Funny

    But they will use HTML5 for the ads! Progress! /s

  10. Re:Can the old hardware handle this? by proxima · · Score: 3, Informative

    Will the current iPhone hardware be able to handle this new OS?

    I ended up having to get rid of my original iPhone and get a 3GS because all the OS updates slowed my iPhone down to a crawl for any given operation.

    The 3G and second gen ipod touch can get the update, but no multitasking support.

    The 3GS and third gen ipod touch get multitasking (probably in large part because they have 256MB of RAM instead of 128).

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  11. Welcome to the N900 age by EzInKy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Now if only iPhone owners could do what they want with the hardware they purchased.

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    1. Re:Welcome to the N900 age by vijayiyer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Tell me about it. iPhone owners want to run Sendmail on the iphone they purchased and ssh into it from their laptop.

      Oh wait, maybe it actually does do what they want, just not what _you_ want. Is it possible that the N900 is right for you and the iPhone right for others?

    2. Re:Welcome to the N900 age by Microlith · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or how about the simple ability to pick an app that was denied entry into the App Store? Say, Opera Mobile if Apple denies it again.

    3. Re:Welcome to the N900 age by vadim_t · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The thing is "what I want" is different for different people.

      On the n900, if you want to run sendmail on it, sure, you can. If you don't want to, you don't have to. It doesn't have to be something as geeky as running sendmail on it, though. Maybe what I want is porn or tethering, or scanning for wifi networks.

      On the iPhone what you can do is limited to what Apple thinks users should be doing, and that list keeps shrinking.

    4. Re:Welcome to the N900 age by frdmfghtr · · Score: 2, Funny

      Oh wait, maybe it actually does do what they want, just not what _you_ want. Is it possible that the N900 is right for you and the iPhone right for others?

      Of course not...what *I* want is what everybody wants, they just don't know it!

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    5. Re:Welcome to the N900 age by gmuslera · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why i could not play music while reading a web page/book or taking a photo? Or playing music, updating my gps, and running a pedometer while walking? Or being able to receive skype calls while doing anything else?

      Some of the most obvious uses of multitasking were covered by this apple update (mostly around voip, audiostreaming, and gps), but a few is not the same as everything to the core. Maybe the average iphone owner dont want to ssh to their phones, but you always ends finding a situation where you would want that your smartphone do more than a thing at once.

    6. Re:Welcome to the N900 age by k2r · · Score: 2, Informative

      You don't own an iPhone, obviously.

      > play music while reading a web page/book or taking a photo?
      You can already, iTunes will happily play on while you're doing something else.

      > Or playing music, updating my gps, and running a pedometer while walking?
      You can already, runkeeper.app happily records my running-tracks for me every other day while I'm listening to Music.

      >Or being able to receive skype calls while doing anything else?
      This could already be implemented using the push-service. Maybe Skype does this already, I don't know.

    7. Re:Welcome to the N900 age by khchung · · Score: 2, Informative

      What are you talking about? On my iPhone (not jailbroken) I can listen to music while reading a web page or navigating with TomTom just fine. Not sure what you mean by "updating gps" though, and I don't use skype so can't comment on those.

      Seems like you are seriously misinformed about the capability of the iPhone, it multitasks just fine for things that many users actually uses. I am well aware of its limitations (eg sucky Bluetooth support) but those are things I can live with.

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    8. Re:Welcome to the N900 age by vadim_t · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, I know. Every lack of anything in an Apple product is an user friendly feature. If it can't do it, then you didn't need it anyway. If it's added later, then it's a sign of Apple's awesomeness.

      If you don't believe me, just search the past apple discussions on slashdot, back when there was no store, and look at all the people talking about how it's not needed anyway, and how web apps will fulfill everybody's needs.

      I'd bet that the people currently talking about how there's no need for multitasking will forget they ever said that the moment Apple releases a phone that can. I remember quite well that back in the OS 9 days it also was intuitive as heck, and things like the need to manually set the amount of memory an application could use was something that made perfect sense. The 1 button mice were also an user friendly feature, right until they started shipping normal ones.

  12. Re:Why would I want to multitask? by dingen · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Because you want to be able to look something up (through your browser, in your mailbox, whatever) while having a conversation on Skype.

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  13. :'( poor open source babies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Cry a little louder and harder, bitches! We can't hear you from way up here on awesome mountain! What's that? You're mad and are going to form an open committee to discuss ways to retort in a GPL-based, socially pluralistic manner? In three years time, you'll have a shoddily constructed riposte AND a donated-by-Cory handkerchief with which to wipe away your salty tears? Keep debating, pansies! I'll be figuring out a way to put some TRUCK NUTS on my iPad.

    1. Re::'( poor open source babies by crazyjimmy · · Score: 3, Funny

      Cry a little louder and harder, bitches! We can't hear you from way up here on awesome mountain! What's that? You're mad and are going to form an open committee to discuss ways to retort in a GPL-based, socially pluralistic manner? In three years time, you'll have a shoddily constructed riposte AND a donated-by-Cory handkerchief with which to wipe away your salty tears? Keep debating, pansies! I'll be figuring out a way to put some TRUCK NUTS on my iPad.

      I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you over the Awesome of my Android.

  14. Re:Why would I want to multitask? by czmax · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A good reason for the OS to support multitasking: Assume you hit 'upload' in your favorite application and now want to do something else while the data is slowly streaming out to the server. This allows you to move on to do something else.

    You aren't the one multitasking though because, from your perspective, you're done with that previous task. This lets the application/OS do the multitasking that allows you to move on and do something else. Apple would argue this "good" vs making you think about it as a new task: "I want this upload to complete so I'll run this application in the background while I do something else then I'll come back and close this application when it is done". In the latter case you truly are doing the multitasking.

  15. Adware built right into the OS by Flipao · · Score: 2, Informative

    Only Apple could get away with promoting that as a feature: Pay for an app, fire it up and watch an ad for Nike, can't wait!

  16. Re:Why would I want to multitask? by Culture20 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Can someone tell me why I would want a multitasking phone yet this study says it adversely affects brain learning?

    Because a phone is not a brain? A mutitasking computer helps *me* to not multitask by doing things in the background for me. "You, program. Do this. Okay, now that that is being worked on, I can forget about it until it's done."

  17. Re:Why would I want to multitask? by swanzilla · · Score: 4, Funny

    Can someone tell me why I would want a multitasking phone yet this study says it adversely affects brain learning?

    I don't follow your line of reasoning, but find it fascinating.

  18. Apple Market Fragmentation. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So now you have iPhone developers having to worry about which hardware they are running on:

    * Older OSes that can't multi-task versus newer iPhone hardware

    * Larger screen sizes on the piece of junk iPad versus the tiny iPhone screen rez

    Isn't 'fragmentation' the latest talking point for Apple and Apple fans in the media after the 'teh most apps' failed to have any effect on slowing down the massive Android surge?

  19. Re:NO thanks by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Will ads only be shown when ad-supported apps are running...

    Yes.

    or ***HOT SLASHDOTTERS WANT TO TALK TO YOU!!!*** will you be interrupted with ads no matter where you are?

    I'm sorry, but it's hard to take you seriously when you're happily posting on an ad-supported site about how you say 'no-thanks' to ad-supported apps.

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  20. Re:And if you have anything except an iPhone 3GS.. by WilyCoder · · Score: 5, Informative

    Go ahead and jailbreak an iPhone 3g and try to run more than 2 apps at the same time. It slows to a CRAWL.

  21. Re:Apple Is Absolute Panic Mode Over Android by dingen · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's just going to keep getting worse with the rate Android is leaving the crappy old iPhone OS behind and the absolute flood of new Android based devices that make the iPhone hardware look like old 1970s pocket calculators in comparison.

    Actually, the rate at which new devices are coming out is holding developers back at truly using Android to it's potential. Android is awesome as a platform, but in the end applications make or break the experience of your device. I tried to find 10 decent games for Android tonight and it was an absolute pain to get things that weren't complete pieces of crap. The quality of the apps in Apple's App Store is really *a lot* better, there's more to choose from and they're generally cheaper too. Android's got some serious work in this field until they can really compete.

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  22. Not true multitasking by markdavis · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Sorry, but it is NOT true multitasking. Applications will have to be re-written to act like a service, then they will be "suspended" and enable quick application switching: http://www.precentral.net/apple-plays-its-multitasking-card-its-no-ace

    "What Apple is doing instead of 'true' multitasking is offering seven different OS-level services that apps can take advantage of in lieu of actually running in the background: audio, VOIP, location, push notifications, local notifications, task finishing, and fast app switching. To switch to a recently opened app, you double-tap the home button and a dock of your recent apps pops up"

    If you want to see real phone multitasking in action, and with a wonderful UI to go along with it/manage it, look at how Palm WebOS does it.

    1. Re:Not true multitasking by iluvcapra · · Score: 5, Insightful

      look at how Palm WebOS does it.

      The three-hour battery life part or the going bankrupt by catering to whims of tech forum trolls part?

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    2. Re:Not true multitasking by markdavis · · Score: 3, Informative

      The number of CPU cores has absolute nothing to do with singletasking vs. multitasking. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_multitasking

    3. Re:Not true multitasking by medcalf · · Score: 2, Interesting

      From that description (I haven't seen the keynote or APIs yet), it sounds like Apple is using a publish/subscribe notifications feature to talk to system services for these seven tasks. That's actually both clever and useful, in that it allows the user to know that the backgrounded services are efficient (since Apple wrote them and are, pardon the pun, demons about performance on the phone) while still allowing the developer to easily use the most-requested services. And it would be trivial to extend with other services as they're seen to be needed.

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    4. Re:Not true multitasking by Wovel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually the battery life part is key to doing proper (which is better than true) multi-tasking on mobile device. The GP is actually 100% correct.

      What really matters is functionality. What useful background process can you do on the Pre that can not be done on the iPhone. (I already know the answer, so you can just slip back into fantasyland where there are people in the world that are interested in WebOS devices).

  23. LOL! Apple Hipster Douchebag Fanboys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The Apple Hipster Douchebag Multitasking Roadmap

    > Multitasking sucks and is unneeded. I don't want stupid multitasking I just want to focus on one app at a time.

    > OMG!!! We are finally getting multitasking!!!

    > Apple's half-assed multitasking is 'pretty slick' Apple 'invented' multitasking

    1. Re:LOL! Apple Hipster Douchebag Fanboys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Mac OS 9 and earlier only had "co operative" multitasking and Mac zealots of the day used to proclaim it was better than "true" multitasking and came up with all sorts of rationales for it, until OS X came along of course. So history is repeating itself and Apple is bringing back their "it's better because it's worse" philosophy of the 90's. LOL.

  24. I'm not upgrading... by Jorgandar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'll be dumping iPhone as soon as my current jailbroken 3GS is considered obsolete. I shouldn't have to literally break the law to make my phone run and work how I, the USER, want it to. I can no longer tolerate Apples' insistence of controlling everything i do and censoring my content, as well as locking in the app marketplace so that THEY profit from every transaction, therefore forcing me to pay higher prices than i would otherwise in a completely free and open market. I'm switching to andriod rather than upgrading. I encourage everyone else to as well.

    1. Re:I'm not upgrading... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I shouldn't have to literally break the law to make my phone run and work how I, the USER, want it to.

      You, the USER, didn't buy an open source phone. You bought a phone with a specified platform and method of operation. Maybe you should back the bus up and ask why you, the USER, bought a phone you didn't like.

    2. Re:I'm not upgrading... by Kethinov · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm with you. I bought a 2G iPhone years ago because it was the only smartphone with a user experience I considered to be acceptable. When they launched the app store, I expected openness, but was sorely disappointed. I've been waiting ever since for Android to catch up and in my opinion it finally has. I'm going to switch to Android some time this summer. Currently exploring my options. The HTC Desire looks like the best so far.

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    3. Re:I'm not upgrading... by jo_ham · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Why did you buy it then, and not an Android based phone? It clearly didn't do what you wanted it to do and you knew that before you bought it.

      I can't use a Corvette to move a sofa without extensive modification or strapping it to the roof in an unwieldy manner, but I don't whine about it.

    4. Re:I'm not upgrading... by mcsqueak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'll be dumping iPhone as soon as my current jailbroken 3GS is considered obsolete. I shouldn't have to literally break the law to make my phone run and work how I, the USER, want it to.

      No, clearly you purchased the wrong phone for what you need, and have some serious buyers remorse. Sort of like buying a minivan then wondering why it can't go fast enough to win any street races, if car analogies are your thing.

      I bought a 3GS last summer after it was released as well. It does everything that it advertised it was supposed to do, nothing more, nothing less. Since I bought it wanting those features, I am very happy with my purchase.

      No one is forcing you to break the law to make the phone run the way you think it should, rather you have to break the law because you failed to read the standard set of features/benefits that they 3GS had at the time of release. It's not like they kept what it could and couldn't do a secret.

    5. Re:I'm not upgrading... by jo_ham · · Score: 2, Informative

      He says he has a 3GS - Android was definitely out by the time the 3GS was in stores. The HTC Dream was out in October 2008 (the first Android phone). The 3GS was released 6 months later.

      So, he bought a 3GS despite Android phones being available, and now he's moaning about "having to break the law" to use his phone the way he wants.

      Should have bought an Android phone.

    6. Re:I'm not upgrading... by 517714 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I shouldn't have to literally break the law to make my phone run and work how I, the USER, want it to.

      You, the USER, didn't buy an open source phone. You bought a phone with a specified platform and method of operation. Maybe you should back the bus up and ask why you, the USER, bought a phone you didn't like.

      Or maybe ask why he, the USER, liked the phone so much he bought it without thinking it through, and how many times he will repeat this process. Does he really expect more cred because he bought one? More like I made a big mistake, my opinion should not be trusted on things technological.

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  25. Big F U to Adobe (and others) by DA_MAN_DA_MYTH · · Score: 4, Informative

    In revised iPhone SDK License agreement:

    3.3.1 -- Applications may only use Documented APIs in the manner prescribed by Apple and must not use or call any private APIs. Applications must be originally written in Objective-C, C, C++, or JavaScript as executed by the iPhone OS WebKit engine, and only code written in C, C++, and Objective-C may compile and directly link against the Documented APIs (e.g., Applications that link to Documented APIs through an intermediary translation or compatibility layer or tool are prohibited).

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    1. Re:Big F U to Adobe (and others) by jo_ham · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Maybe if Adobe pulled its thumb out of its ass and made a decent implementation of flash for OS X then Apple would be more willing to throw them a bone on the iPhone OS.

    2. Re:Big F U to Adobe (and others) by thoughtsatthemoment · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Let's not get too cynical. I watch hulu for a few hours on a dual core desktop computer and the video becomes sluggish. Imaging flash hugging the cpu during a 911 call.

    3. Re:Big F U to Adobe (and others) by auLucifer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're exactly right, if the engine isn't written in C/C++/Objective-C. Wait a minute, I think they typically are! Fancy that, I think they'll be fine.

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    4. Re:Big F U to Adobe (and others) by nobodyman · · Score: 3, Informative

      um dude....its always said that!

      Not so. Here's section 3.3.1 of the iPhone OS3 license agreement:

      3.3.1 — Applications may only use Documented APIs in the manner prescribed by Apple and must not use or call any private APIs.

      And here's 3.3.1 for iPhone OS4:

      3.3.1 — Applications may only use Documented APIs in the manner prescribed by Apple and must not use or call any private APIs. Applications must be originally written in Objective-C, C, C++, or JavaScript as executed by the iPhone OS WebKit engine, and only code written in C, C++, and Objective-C may compile and directly link against the Documented APIs (e.g., Applications that link to Documented APIs through an intermediary translation or compatibility layer or tool are prohibited).

      They explicitly say that -- even if you are using documented api's -- you may not use any language other than c, obj-c, or c++ to do it.

    5. Re:Big F U to Adobe (and others) by makomk · · Score: 2, Informative

      The new agreement doesn't just require that the application be written entirely in C/C++/Objective-C. It also requires that you access the iPhone APIs directly without using any cross-platform portability layer. Any game engine that runs on more than one platform or is designed to be able to is going to violate this.

  26. RAM, ipad by proxima · · Score: 5, Informative

    The older iphones and ipod touches don't get multitasking likely because they only have 128 MB of RAM.

    I was disappointed to find out the ipad only has 256 (same as the 3GS). RAM is cheap, and there's no lack of space inside the ipad for an extra chip. With the way Safari currently works, it starts dumping web page caches as memory fills up. That means going to another "tab" (through an expose-like interface) can often mean re-loading the page from scratch, in practice. Word is the iphone 3GS does this a lot less, so it's definitely something they need to address for the ipad. Because the expose is two taps instead of the one required for tabs, and because of this reloading, I find myself using substantially fewer open browser windows on the ipad than on a desktop.

    I'm starting to think they need to use part of the flash memory to cache things, especially with multitasking (that's what the "fast app switching" I presume does - save the full state of app memory on flash). The biggest downside to this is it wears down the flash.

    I was a little disappointed to find out that the ipad release will be "fall". So far, though, the only time I've really wanted multitasking (or some pseudo-multitasking) is to play audio from Pandora or Magnatune while doing other tasks (and you can use the Magnatune website to stream since Safari's media player multitasks). Most of the other features are really for iphone users (ibook app, improved mail - though unified inbox will be nice).

    By the way, anyone looking for an extremely thorough review of the ipad should look here. I have no relation to the author, but I found he covered things extremely well.

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    1. Re:RAM, ipad by proxima · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think that's a bit of a stretch. For example, the older Nokia tablets (770, n800) had 64 and 128MB of RAM, respectively, and they had full blown multitasking. Not to mention slower processor than the iPhone. (770 and N800 had a 250 and 400MHz ARM, respectively).

      Sure, lots of older computers had far less than 128 MB of RAM and did real multitasking. The issue is whether iphone OS and its apps on the earlier generations of hardware work well enough. You can bet they tested its performance. I suspect they found it quite lacking due to RAM and decided to disable multitasking rather than allow it and have it run poorly. More cynical people would say they're doing it to encourage upgrades.

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    2. Re:RAM, ipad by my_breath_smells · · Score: 5, Informative

      RAM is cheap, and there's no lack of space inside the ipad for an extra chip.

      The iPad's A4 processor has the RAM inside the A4 package using package-on-package technology. Perhaps the RAM inside the A4 could have been a higher density, but space inside the iPad is not relevant.

      Integrating the RAM minimizes the pinout of the A4 and may have allowed them to avoid a difficult-to-breakout BGA pitch. (Changing from a 0.5mm to 0.4mm pitch allows more pins but complicates PCB routing and PCB expense.) I can't tell from this shot of the A4 what pitch is used, but the pin count is pretty high. Note: You need the blank areas in order to breakout traces and place vias.

    3. Re:RAM, ipad by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes and my Pentium 3 with 128 megs of RAM years ago had one thing that my iPhone doesn't.

      A stonking huge hard drive for virtual memory and an always on PSU.

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    4. Re:RAM, ipad by proxima · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The iPad's A4 processor has the RAM inside the A4 package using package-on-package technology. Perhaps the RAM inside the A4 could have been a higher density, but space inside the iPad is not relevant.

      Sure, but that's the route Apple decided to go. Yes, it probably saves cost and battery life to some extent (especially if that design is easily carried over into the next iphone). The ipad is basically a very fast cell phone with a great screen and huge battery.

      The ipad is fast for most things now, but my early web-browsing and PDF-viewing experience suggests that RAM is at a premium on this device. Adding any kind of multitasking only makes that worse.

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  27. Most important: restriction on app development by VZ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Interestingly enough nobody seems to have mentioned this gem yet. To summarize, Apple has decided to forbid

    Applications that link to Documented APIs through an intermediary translation or compatibility layer or tool

    While this is clearly aimed squarely at Adobe and their Flash compiler I can't help wondering what does it mean even for C++ libraries such as Qt or wxWidgets (that I'm personally most interested in) as, with a bit of bad faith (that Apple doesn't seem to luck), they could be construed to be "intermediary compatibility layers" too. And this definitely seems to exclude using Perl, Python, Ruby or anything else.

    If anybody had any doubts about Apple openness, this should hopefully be enough to dispel them (although whom am I kidding... there will surely be people able to justify this as well).

    1. Re:Most important: restriction on app development by MBGMorden · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because only great devs can write flashlight and fart apps?

      The reality is you can write good or bad code in any language. Their closed system is all about them keeping control. It does NOTHING to keep out "crap" developers (as completely shown by the amount of complete and utter "crap" already on the App Store).

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    2. Re:Most important: restriction on app development by UndyingShadow · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah, this is a sneaky underhanded move from Apple, and despite good points (The flash compiler is a piece of shit and/or Adobe blows!) it still reeks of them throwing their weight around as the dominant smartphone platform to try to hurt Adobe. This is why, even though I love the changes iPhone OS 4.0 gives us, I'm probably done with the iPhone as soon as my 3GS dies. It's taken 3+ years to get access to features that have been possible since months after the platform came out (Jailbreaking), and we're still subject to the whims of Apple. If Adobe was really serious, they'd eliminate support for all their Software on all Apple platforms. We can only hope that they do, which in a perfect world, would eliminate Flash as a dominant standard AND take Apple down a peg or two. One can hope.

    3. Re:Most important: restriction on app development by Lars+T. · · Score: 2, Interesting

      While this is clearly aimed squarely at Adobe and their Flash compiler

      So all they have to do is output C code instead of finished apps - ohh, wait, Apple is forcing Adobe to be more open.

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  28. Wrong quote from the user agreement by daffmeister · · Score: 4, Informative

    "Looks like Adobe's release of CS5 with the Flash-to-native compiler has been nixed by Apple's new user agreement: '3.3.1 — Applications may only use Documented APIs in the manner prescribed by Apple and must not use or call any private APIs.'"

    That's the old agreement. The new agreement adds:

    "Applications must be originally written in Objective-C, C, C++, or JavaScript as executed by the iPhone OS WebKit engine, and only code written in C, C++, and Objective-C may compile and directly link against the Documented APIs (e.g., Applications that link to Documented APIs through an intermediary translation or compatibility layer or tool are prohibited)."

    That's the bit that nixes Flash.

    1. Re:Wrong quote from the user agreement by dingen · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That excludes a lot of iPhone frameworks out there (Unity, Corona, you name it). I'm sure that can't be what Apple means by that statement.

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    2. Re:Wrong quote from the user agreement by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Applications must be originally written in Objective-C, C, C++, or JavaScript as executed by the iPhone OS WebKit engine, and only code written in C, C++, and Objective-C may compile and directly link against the Documented APIs (e.g., Applications that link to Documented APIs through an intermediary translation or compatibility layer or tool are prohibited)."

      Wow, just... wow. Apple has historically been not friendly to third-party developers since iPhone release, but this sinks it down to an entirely new level.

      So, let me see. First, this obviously kills off any attempt to use any language other than C, C++ and ObjC for iPhone app development. We're not just talking about Flash here - compiling to C has historically been a popular cheap way to bootstrap a language, and many stick with it after getting it running - e.g. ISE Eiffel is a mature development tool that "compiles" to C.

      The whole bit about "translation or compatibility layer" is also very broad. From the sound of it, this would definitely prohibit any attempt to develop a cross-platform framework that'd let you build an application for iPhone as well as other platforms from a single codebase (like e.g. Qt lets you do on the desktop today), whether third-party or developed in-house.

      In fact, it sounds like it could also stretch far enough to prohibit any framework that wraps iPhone APIs, period - say, if someone came up with a C++ wrapper for ObjC classes for those of us who dislike square brackets - this might just restrict that kind of thing.

      Between that, and the underwhelming WP7 announcement, I'm very glad that I've bought a Nexus One.

    3. Re:Wrong quote from the user agreement by ockegheim · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Here's Corona's view on this issue. I hope they're right.

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    4. Re:Wrong quote from the user agreement by oji-sama · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That excludes a lot of iPhone frameworks out there (Unity, Corona, you name it). I'm sure that can't be what Apple means by that statement.

      I'm sure that depend whether or not Apple likes the application in question...

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  29. Oh! by jbb999 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Will it let you install your own applications on it however you like? No? Well it's still an essentially useless toy then.

    1. Re:Oh! by k2enemy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Will it let you install your own applications on it however you like?
      No?
      Well it's still an essentially useless toy then.

      Care to elaborate? I find my iPhone very useful.

  30. Re:Why would I want to multitask? by gmuslera · · Score: 4, Funny

    [scratches head while reading your comment] I don't see any advantage on multitasking neither, we humans must be designed against doing more than a thing at once.

  31. Flash by codepunk · · Score: 3, Informative

    "Applications must be originally written in Objective-C, C, C++, or JavaScript"

    Looks like the flash cross compiler just had a stake driven in it's heart.

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  32. Apple is playing catch up by geekoid · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Android has already had this since the G1

    AS well as a bunch of features the iPhone is just now getting, and a bunch it doesn't have.

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    1. Re:Apple is playing catch up by DavidD_CA · · Score: 2, Informative

      Windows Mobile has already had this since 2002.

      AS well as a bunch of features the iPhone and Android are just now getting, and a bunch it doesn't have.

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  33. Re:Apple Is Absolute Panic Mode Over Android by Obyron · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As opposed to the iPhone, where you have your choice of fart apps, or clones of crayon physics games.

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  34. Re:And if you have anything except an iPhone 3GS.. by ShecoDu · · Score: 2, Informative

    Older devices will have a trimmed down version of the iPhone OS 4.0 which will not include multitasking because the older devices have 128MB of RAM.

    They will most probably have the ads API.

  35. Re:Apple Is Absolute Panic Mode Over Android by geekoid · · Score: 2, Interesting

    No, he is accurate.
    The Android platform is growing very fast, and already on many different devices. It also has had all these new features the Apple is just now getting around to putting into the iPhone. Plus several features the iPhone doesn't have.

    Let see:
    Easier and cheaper to develop for
    On a lot of devices over 20 different device
    coming out on a lot more devices a half dozen tables are slated for EOY
    user can load what they want on it, so dev son't need to go through the Apple hoops. It's an option the user has to turn on, but it's there.

    the iPhone was ahead of it's time, but not any longer. Now it's playing catch up.

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  36. Re:well, sorta by Movi · · Score: 3, Interesting

    While i agree with most of what you said, there's one thing that i think you should know about the multitasking bit.

    The way that apple described it's multitasking capabilities in iPhone OS 4.0, seem to be identical in how android handles multitasking - eg your app can have a background worker, that does stuff in the background (media player, IMs, background task for periodically checking stuff), and then the user-visible multitasking of switching apps, where the app that was used gets its state saved, then the process gets killed. If that app is then resumed the code handles the reading of the state.

    This behaviour has been there since Android 1.0 (@override onPause() and @override onResume())

  37. Here's why mobile ads will be an epic fail by melted · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Currently, developers use the in-application ads to monetize free applications. This means that the only people who will see those apps are freeloaders who don't want to pay $0.99 for the full version of the app. Those folks won't tap on the ads, and even if they do, they won't buy stuff. Epic fail.

  38. But... multiple e-mail users? by dbc · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The article is unclear if e-mail has been expanded to support multiple user logins. This to me is the deal-breaker with an iPad -- I'd have one sitting on the coffee table today if it had support for multiple user logins to keep e-mail sorted and private. But I'm not going to get an iPad for each member of the household just to keep e-mail private. So is that fixed or not? When they fix it, instant sale. Until then, nope.

  39. Re:Can the old hardware handle this? by adolf · · Score: 2, Funny

    Oh, good. This means that iTunes will stop pestering me about upgrading my first-gen iPod Touch to the latest-and-greatest firmware.

  40. Re:Apple Is Absolute Panic Mode Over Android by dingen · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm not saying that there isn't a lot of crap in the App Store too. But there's quality there that's absolutely unmatched on Android. Games like DrawRace, Flight Control, I Dig It, Racer, GeoDefense, not to mention classics like Lemonade Tycoon or SimCity... all truly fun and great games. That sort of stuff just isn't there for Android.

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  41. Re:Why would I want to multitask? by Nick+Ives · · Score: 2, Informative

    Funny comment :)

    Multitasking slows down human learning, so don't try to learn Spanish whilst making cheesy bacon chips. You'll get distracted!

    This is why we have hardware like phones and computers to multitask for us.

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  42. Yes, it is using GCD by Kostya · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I just downloaded some of the release notes (the beta is slowly coming over my pipe), but yes, it is using Grand Central to do the multi-tasking. It is listed as one of the key foundational technologies added.

    There's also quite a bit of documentation on how to use "blocks" (closures and lambdas to you unwashed, non-Apple people).

    I agree, it is clever to use GCD. But I'm also very surprised--I didn't think GCD was light-weight enough for something like the iPhone. Pretty cool!

    P.S. I'd link or copy and paste, but *technically* that would violate the NDA you sign as an iPhone developer. Hey wait, does talking about it ... [Apple gestapo busts down door] :-)

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  43. welcome to the party, pal. by geekoid · · Score: 2, Insightful
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  44. Re:Apple Is Absolute Panic Mode Over Android by stony3k · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In a lot of ways this reminds of the start of "Macs vs PCs". Apple wants more control, so other manufacturers flock to the second best choice. This results in a whole lot of "hype" for the alternate which ends up winning the battle.

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  45. We are all living in the world of Steve Jobs by parallel_prankster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seriously, Apple is beginning to suffocate us developers. Instead of providing a way allow parallel user apps to either exit cleanly or kill them to avoid hogging CPU, Apple comes up with a way to tell you that Apple will provide for parallelism, you just have to hook into one of our services. Seriously, as a developer, that is very frustrating. We know the app that we are making and know where opportunities for parallelization lie. We dont want apple to tell us that. To avoid a few apps that misbehave, apple now thinks that it should not allow multitasking at user level at all!

    1. Re:We are all living in the world of Steve Jobs by mr100percent · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Watching the developers on Stage, I didn't get that impression. The Pandora devs said it only took a day to modify the app to run in background. Not bad.

    2. Re:We are all living in the world of Steve Jobs by dakameleon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You're still working in their Multitasking API sandbox. Without having seen the list of APIs myself, I can imagine that there would be cases which don't fall into any of the functions provided, and you really just want a GenericMultitaskHook or somesuch.

      For example, one of the most brilliant jailbreak tools is SBSettings, which lets you flick WiFi, Bluetooth, GPS, or Edge/3G off without having to dig down into the Settings app. Turning on bluetooth with SBSettings (for when you want to play multiplayer Flight Control, for instance) is a swipe of the status bar and a tap on a button, then another to close. With the Settings "app", it's Quit to Home > Go to Settings > General > Bluetooth > Flick switch > Quit to Home > Reopen app.

      Will Apple allow the built in Settings app to run in the background? will they expose APIs to manipulate these settings?

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  46. Re:And if you have anything except an iPhone 3GS.. by mjwx · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Go ahead and jailbreak an iPhone 3g and try to run more than 2 apps at the same time. It slows to a CRAWL.

    My Android phone (Milestone) does this,
    no...
    wait...
    It doesn't.

    Many devices can implement proper multi-tasking without sacrificing speed. I easily have 3 to 5 applications running at the same time on Android without any problems, the only slow downs I have ever seen on Android were when I used a custom ROM on my HTC Dream, replacing that with HTC's Android 1.6 image fixed it.

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  47. Fairly idiotic. by aussersterne · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You prove the parent's point nicely. You're so attached to multitasking that you're willing to sacrifice battery life. Of course battery life has something to do with the topic, IT'S A PHONE. And you can say "Welcome to fast smartphones" all you want, but for most people these features:

    - Has a reasonable battery life
    - Doesn't require me to swap batteries
    - Lets me listen to music in the background

    Are more important than this feature:

    - Lets me run sendmail in the background

    iPhone has the first three and has since the beginning. You running around saying "Yay! Multitasking!" isn't saving Palm, and I say this as a Palm customer of over a decade that has gone iPhone.

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  48. Re:Apple Is Absolute Panic Mode Over Android by amRadioHed · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why not panic? Those N1 sales are with basically no advertising. If Google decided to start running TV ads round the clock like Apple does those sales figures could change pretty quickly.

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  49. Re:22 Million Android Phones A Year by dakameleon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Sales rate"? Are you projecting from the first month of sales for the Nexus One to a uniform total sales for the year? By that logic the iPad alone has a "sales rate" of roughly 109 million.

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  50. Depressing... by Ekuryua · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Between apple and sony, the world seems to be going towards lawyer locking of everything as fast as possible.
    I'm not sure about other people, but that sanitized future world is kind of really depressing.
    Next step is you'll have to spend all your digital money to the 4 big corporations that control and enforce each of their platforms integrity in totalitarian ways.

    News... that only come from a couple big media agencies.
    Games... that check permanently online they're unmodified, and require trusted platforms banning any form of liberty/homebrew.
    Videos&Music... that only come out in DRM form with you-are-only-renting-from-us terms.
    Internet connections... where you can only do what the isp deems safe.
    etc...

  51. Re:Apple Is Absolute Panic Mode Over Android by Stan+Vassilev · · Score: 2, Informative

    On a lot of devices over 20 different device

    That's a *feature*? "Yay we get to target 20 different CPU characteristics / featuresets / screensizes etc.!"

    Nope, not a feature at all.

  52. The Revolution Will be Sponsored for You By by Mana+Mana · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ``If you don't want to see the ads, don't buy ad-supported apps. There is almost always a more expensive ad-free version.''

    Gad! Stop kidding yourself with statements like these: you paid full price so ads wont appear for the now fully fed. Fallacious: see cinemas with 30 minutes of boring-obnoxious ads & trailers!

    See paid! cable television "broadcasts" riddled with ads. See PBS shows larded with 5 minutes of introductory wheat fields, granaries, mines, wind fields ads. See XM/Sirius radio with ... ^.^

  53. Re:If they had opened up multitasking to all apps by terjeber · · Score: 2, Informative

    without once bothering to wonder whether it's appropriate on a small-screen embedded device. It isn't.

    Calling someone a "douchebag" just because he has a more functional brain than you do is not nice. Remember, most people are far more intelligent than you, don't hate them for it.

    If multitasking isn't appropriate on a small-screen device, why has the iPod and the iPhone had it from day one? They have you know. The difference between pre 4.0 and post 4.0 is that this functionality is now available to comapnies that are not called Apple. As you should know if you have ever used an iPhone, the Apple music player goes on playing in the background when you do other stuff on the phone. Try it. Press the "iPod" icon on your phone. Start playing music. Hit the home button - can you still hear the music? Sure you can. Bring up Echofon and check what Twitter is all about. Can you still hear the music? Of course you can. You can because the iPhone has had multitasking always, but only for Apple.

    You are a moron sir, for calling people names just because you are so in love with Steve Jobs that you can not take valid criticism of his products. A sad moron in fact.

  54. Re:Apple Is Absolute Panic Mode Over Android by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ahh, the typical Apple approach to things.

    "What, that??! That's not a feature!". "Multitasking? That just drains your battery, nobody wants that!".

    Android will bury Apple for the same reason the PC buried the Mac. There will be a dozen companies coming out with fancy new hardware at a breakneck pace that Apple cannot keep up with.

    It's already happening - the HTC Evo is to the iPhone what the iPhone was to an el-cheap Windows Mobile phone. Sure, the next iPhone will bridge the gap but Jesus, what's coming out later this year in the Android camp? I can't imagine.

  55. Re:"beaming"? by dakameleon · · Score: 2, Informative

    "Beaming"/bluetooth contact/file transfer worked pretty bloody well for my Nokia and Sony Ericssons. Indeed, iSync made it wonderfully easy to wirelessly sync updated contact info to my Mac. Why is this missing for the iPhone?

    (indeed, why didn't Apple use iSync for the iPhone?)

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  56. Re:So no flash or java, but we get ads! by virgilp · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Oh yes, can't wait the moment when all the flash haters/html5 lovers will get to have obnoxious ads written in HTML5. And probably harder to block by something as simple as "click to flash". I see Steve is really pushing for that. Yay for standards-compliant advertising !

  57. Re:NO thanks by Werrismys · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm sorry, but it's hard to take you seriously when you're happily posting on an ad-supported site about how you say 'no-thanks' to ad-supported apps.

    Slashdot has ads? (checks it out with safari...) OMG :-) I was unaware. Thank you, adblock.

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  58. Re:Except of course for everything. by vadim_t · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Unless you jailbreak.
    So basically technical users can do all the technical things they want, while non-technical users get an easier to use platform.

    I do not like this kind of solution. Why would I want to give money to a company that doesn't want me to do what I want with a device I paid for? It's stupid to pay somebody who is acting against your interests.

    I consider this to be a very temporary solution at best. I might be willing to do it, but only if no alternative is available. Since the N900 exists, I have no reason to consider buying an iPhone.

    But hey, I can understand you N900 users not wanting users to have a choice of something they can easily understand how to use, so that you can continue to feel superior to everyone.

    Heh, that's a funny thing to say.

    It's not that I don't want you to have a choice. I'm just giving some friendly advice, based on past experiences. Buy it all you want if you like, but don't complain if you end up running into the limitations one day.