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Palm's Software Chief Quits

alphadogg writes "Michael Abbott, the head of Palm's software and services team, will leave the company at the end of next week, according to a regulatory filing Palm made on Friday to the US Securities and Exchange Commission. He submitted his resignation on Monday and will leave the company on April 23, Palm said. The resignation came as reports surface that the struggling handset maker is seeking a buyer. Last month Palm reported disappointing results for the quarter that ended Feb. 26. Its Pre and Pixi smartphone lines, which run the WebOS operating system, are up against a growing number of smartphones using Google's Android platform as well as Apple's popular iPhone."

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  1. And nothing of value was lost. by karmaflux · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Access owns PalmOS, Access owns BeOS, WebOS was a failure, and it's a damn shame, but Palm hasn't done anything worthwhile since the Treo 650. I loved my Treos, and I loved the Kyocera 6035 I had before them, but the only value Palm provides these days is nostalgia.

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    1. Re:And nothing of value was lost. by bhtooefr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Have you actually used WebOS?

      It didn't fail because of the OS. (Well, OK, them dragging their feet on native code didn't help, but the OS is quite good, and probably has the best UI of any mobile OS today.)

      Even the marketing didn't do it.

      It's the hardware that's absolute crap.

    2. Re:And nothing of value was lost. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I agree, WebOS is simply amazing. I've used an iPhone for over two years and switched to using the Pre recently, WebOS is the most elegant mobile platform around. The iPhone OS and Anround are both nice, but I think if more people actually gave WebOS a try, they'd love it.

      and yes, the hardware is pretty bad, not "absolute crap" -- but need quite a bit of improvement :(

    3. Re:And nothing of value was lost. by zippthorne · · Score: 4, Informative

      Palm didn't do the Treos, either. Those came from Handspring, which they acquired almost a decade ago.

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    4. Re:And nothing of value was lost. by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You can put a lot of money into marketing a good product and it can still fail.
      1. The Name WebOS... Sounds kinda gimiky to me. The Web is Popular and we want an os that sounds like it will be good at browsing the web... How About WebOS. That name sound so 90's to me that it isn't funny.
      2. Timing. At around the same time other companies tried to make lame iPhone wannabes. The fact the blackberry storm stunk at the same time put credit to people well if I want something like an iPhone ill get an iPhone.
      3. What I call the OS/2 Warp add campaign. A lot of talk but little showing the product in what it does... You need to give credit to Apples adds. They show you how to use the phone as part of the add. Web OS adds where soo... All the apps I need to run will be on the web...
      4. Tried to be an iPhone killer... Palm wasn't in a position to go head on head with Apple. The whatever you can do I can do better type of stuff really hurt Palm especially as they lowered their prices. Because if it was that much cheaper it must be a cheap ripoff
      5. the iTunes compatibility thing. That was rather unethical business by palm in the first place to in essence hack the phone to make it look like an iPod... Then to market it as iTunes compatible. Then try to complain about USB compliance to Apple because apple stopped the hole. Then to push it further until they lost their USB compatibility. In the mean time you give customers a feature which breaks on them until the next update... Not giving them positive reviews.
      6. Crappy Developers Emulator... Sorry a VirtualBox that runs a Linux distro that runs Web OS... Without physical buttons that actually let you go back. It made it a pain to do development on it so developers will go well I will do it for the iPhone and we will see if it is compatible later.

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    5. Re:And nothing of value was lost. by hitmark · · Score: 2, Interesting

      mostly the choice of CDMA2000 as the connection system. And maybe tying it to a US carrier at first launch.

      this btw, is something is think more and more companies will burn themselves on trying to emulate the original iphone launch without considering that the US (and to a lesser degree the world) market have changed.

      just observe what dell is trying to do with their mini 5, or google with the nexus one. Basically, they are trying to negotiate exclusivity agreements with one or more carrier, rather then just making a sim slot available and have the carrier, if interested, sponsor parts of the product cost vs a contract for the customer. And if not, sell it worldwide for any and all to use if they have a valid sim on a carrier network.

      heck, google having multiple issues with android right now. First off, the android market is not part of the base android package, but rather a google allowed bundle on certain devices (best bet, a 3G radio is required). Said market is also content limited when it comes to payed apps depending on what carrier's sim is inserted. Third, there is little incentive for the hardware companies to update to latest android after a product have gone from design to production.

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    6. Re:And nothing of value was lost. by contrapunctus · · Score: 3, Informative
    7. Re:And nothing of value was lost. by DAldredge · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "5. the iTunes compatibility thing. That was rather unethical business by palm in the first place to in essence hack the phone to make it look like an iPod"

      You mean like COMPAQ did to IBM PC BIOS?

    8. Re:And nothing of value was lost. by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You mean it's unethical to block out hardware that's not yours and not guaranteed to run on your software platform because you don't know what the hell it's going to do?

      You realize this happens every single fucking day? Is it unethical for linksys to lock out buffalo in their drivers even if they use the same chipset?

      Next you'll be asking why it's unethical to copy someone else's CS homework because they're locking you out of their software.

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    9. Re:And nothing of value was lost. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There's a reason why they're carrier exclusive -- the carriers agree to spend $50-$100+ million on advertising in exchange for being exclusive for 6-12 months. For a company like Palm with only $400 million in cash to cover all expenses, it's not something you can easily ignore.

      The downside is that the carrier decides the marketing campaign, and it's not always a good one. The Verizon Palm Pre Plus "mom" ads may have even *hurt* sales.

    10. Re:And nothing of value was lost. by quacking+duck · · Score: 4, Informative

      I don't usually reply to ACs, but you're already modded to +2 for a comment that's patently wrong.

      5. the iTunes compatibility thing. That was rather unethical business by palm in the first place to in essence hack the phone

      They didn't "hack" the phone - whatever that's supposed to mean. How far has the world come that it is now unethical, even for a technology oriented forum's standards, to interface one piece of software with another's API. If anything, it is unethical of Apple to lock out every other device out of iTunes API besides their iPods and iPhones.

      This shows how much you know of the actual situation. What Palm did was a hack in the original technical sense--it was a quick and dirty solution (a "hack") to an problem, but one of their own making.

      Palm *didn't* use Apple's public APIs for accessing iTunes playlists. Instead, Palm faked their devices' USB vendor and device IDs to make iTunes think an iPod had been connected. This is something expressly prohibited by the USB spec. This part of the spec had relied on the honour system rather than strictly enforced via some signed handshake, but Palm violated it, and the USB Implementers Forum which oversees the USB spec rightly slapped Palm silly for even making the complaint.

    11. Re:And nothing of value was lost. by contrapunctus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      but why does it need my location?

    12. Re:And nothing of value was lost. by Rasperin · · Score: 3, Funny

      Because the phone keeps tabs when you are with your girlfriend and needs to know when you are alone so it can back up _that_ app. Yeah you know which one I'm talking about.

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    13. Re:And nothing of value was lost. by Tokerat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      WebOS and Android are the same OS

      Um....Linux? That's like saying NetBSD and Mac OS X are the same OS - very similar at the core, API/GUI layers are 100% different.

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  2. 250k for the other principals? by tivoKlr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So Palm offers 250k in stock, over 2 yrs for the other principal management to stay. Not the most convincing of offers, and what's that Palm stock going to be worth in 2 years? Anything?

    Bye bye Palm. It's been nice knowin' ya.

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    1. Re:250k for the other principals? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      I don't know man, the stock could come back and everybody would be millionaires. Like 1999 all over again. I'm still holding on to the LNUX I bought at $242/share.

      That shits gonna come back man. Servers with Linux on them? Thats a no brainer huge win just like phones with WebOS. To be fair LNUX no longer does servers with Linux on them but still.

    2. Re:250k for the other principals? by RobFrontier · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I can only assume by your comment that you don't follow markets in general, or Palm specifically. Palm is more than likely going to be purchased fairly soon which will increase the stock price dramatically before the purchase. HTC seems like a natural fit, though the most interesting idea I've heard is RIM. It would be nice if Blackberry's came with an actual OS. WebOS is the best mobile OS available, with Android a close second, so there is plenty of value there. Palm also hold a lot of valuable IP and Patents.

  3. Palm's crappy hardware killed them by c.r.o.c.o · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I started with the Palm Pilot 5000, and over the past 10 years I've never been without a Palm OS PDA. Just to prove that I am as familiar with Palm OS devices, here's a short list of the ones I've owned for at least a few months at a time: Palm Pilot 5000, Palm Vx, Clie SJ30, Palm m505, four Palm TX, Clie NR70, two Clie NX70 and three Clie TH55. The reason there are so many duplicates on the list is because I was buying and selling them at a small profit.

    For the most part the hardware was reliable, but the ONLY devices to completely fail on me were the Palm ones. The battery died on my Vx, and replacing it was impossible without butchering it (disassembly instructions involved using a heat gun to melt the glue) or spending a lot of money to have it replaced by Palm with a refurbished unit. The touch screen on one TX stopped responding, and another TX stopped charging. Every Clie I've ever owned on the other hand was still running, no matter how abused it was. I bought a Clie NX73 off Ebay, and when it arrived, the hinge was completely worn out, the casing was beaten up everywhere, the screen was scratched BUT it was working perfectly. In terms of features the Clies were also far ahead of any Palm device. They had high resolution color screens, memory card slots, wifi, BT before anything from Palm, and they had MUCH better build quality and materials to boot.

    When Palm announced the Pre I was really excited, because WebOS looked amazing and the hardware had great specs. Backwards compatibility with PalmOS apps was also a HUGE bonus. But the anticipation lasted precisely until I got to actually hold a Pre in my hand. I absolutely, positively hated it! The shiny plastic shell was cheap and scratch prone (just like the TX). The sliding keyboard was awkward, cramped and had a raised lip around it that feelt unfinished. Overall the Pre was a big disappointment. Not a bad device, but worth half what Palm was charging for it.

    At this point I was really hoping someone will license the WebOS and design a GOOD smartphone to run it. That never happened and probably never will, since all manufacturers went with Android. In the meantime I picked up a Nokia N900 and I'm not sorry I did. I can still run my PalmOS apps through Garnett, and having a full Linux computer at my fingertips is simply amazing.

    So that's my take on it. :)

  4. ha! by charliemopps11 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I used to work for Palm about 8 or 9 years ago. I was one of their higher level tech support agents and had direct contact with their software engineers. Their corporate people, like Mr Abott were a joke. The real programmers we all in Asia as well as all their hardware manufacturing. They just had a corporate staff in the US... they all had their heads so far up their butts that Palm was never going to go anywhere. They started the market, and could have come up with an iPhone/Blackberry like device years before anyone else did. That's what their customers were screaming for... that's what we kept telling them. But they wanted a more closed OS and had little interest in allowing any really interesting apps unless the developer was working in direct partnership with them. Their OS updates were, for the most part, not backwards compatible. Lots of software would work on one model but not another even though they had the same OS on them. It was all just silly. I'm really surprised it took this long for them to tank.

    1. Re:ha! by Chysn · · Score: 2, Informative

      I used to work for Palm about 8 or 9 years ago. I was one of their higher level tech support agents and had direct contact with their software engineers. Their corporate people, like Mr Abott were a joke.

      You supposedly worked at Palm way before Abbott started there in 2008. How do you know he's a joke?

      Seems like an unfair assessment, is all I'm saying. I opted for the Hero over the Pre this year, but WebOS is a pretty damn slick bit of work.

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    2. Re:ha! by charliemopps11 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I was referring to their corporate leadership, which I doubt has changed much over the years. Especially given their current state.

  5. .NET and biochemist by NuShrike · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Anybody notice that Abbot was formerly the general manager for .NET online services @ Microsoft before webOS?
    http://www.neowin.net/news/palm039s-head-of-software-resigns?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+neowin-forum+(Neowin.net+Forums)

    Seems to be a biochemist by education too:
    http://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelabbott

    So not sure if his leaving is a huge loss for Palm. May be just cutting the fat.

  6. Handspring was Palm by Rix · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They just sold off (and later reacquired) the rights to use the Palm name.

  7. Sad... by Illogical+Spock · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The sad thing is that Palm TX (a 5-yr-old product) can do more than the majority of today's phones, and specially iPhone. I still have mine working, and I can watch DIVX videos (I can just copy the full 700mb video to the memory card and play there without hiccups), play MP3, run any J2ME program using an emulator, etc, etc. And I can, for example, listen to music while I do other tasks. It have Bluetooth, WIFI, and with a downloaded software I have a very neat interface (the original one is ugly in today's terms). Yes, I know that the processor is slower than today's, that the battery autonomy is very short, etc, but it's a 5 YR OLD product.

    My point is: Palm could be one of the big players today, if they haven't stopped in time. They were almost alone for too long in the market, and forgot how to evolve. This is why I admire Google: they are the top of the top in several things, but still they keep evolving, adding funcionalities that we didn't think of in GMail for example, way before someone else's do.

    Like the first poster said: Palm today is nostalgia. And this is from someone who loves Palm...

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