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Steve Jobs Recommends Android For Fans of Porn
hansamurai writes "After being asked about the App Store's recent ban on 'sexy apps,' Steve Jobs responded, 'We do believe we have a moral responsibility to keep porn off the iPhone. Folks who want porn can buy an Android phone. You know, there's a porn store for Android, you can download nothing but porn. You can download porn, your kids can download porn. That's a place we don't want to go, so we're not going to go there.' Apps such as Playboy's and the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition are still available on the App Store, however, as they come from 'more reputable companies.'"
Suddenly I really like Android.
I see the glass as full with a FoS of 2.
And iPhone users (including children) don't have access to porn? Last time I checked (guilty as charged!) there are iPhone specific streaming sites for porn. Instead of going to the app store all they have to open up Safari and google for the goodies.
Is it my imagination, or is Steve being more douchey than usual?
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I don't need Apple to act as a morality police for what I do with something I own.
Steve Jobs responded, "We do believe we have a moral responsibility to keep porn off the iPhone. Folks who want porn can buy an Android phone. "
Well, I don't see that porn is particularly harmful to children, especially compared to the violence in media and games sold on the iPhone, so I don't know why one would be a moral imperative and the other would not. I actually think this is marketing, designed to appeal to parents who want their kids kept safe from the evils of... umm... boobies?
But that's okay. If he's recommending an Android phone, I'll probably take him up on it when I purchase a smartphone.
This is marketing-speak for "We're going to be opening the Apple Porn Store very soon. You think the rigid curves of our multi-touch sensors are cool? You ain't seen nothing. Wait for Steve Jobs to say, 'And one more thing.'"
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Jobs simultaneously drags the android through the mud while claiming a moral high ground for the iphone. what's Google going to do? Trying to defend pornography will be an uphill battle going to a place "where we don't want to go".
nicely played.
I think it's better worded like this:
'After being asked about the App Store's recent ban on "freedom to use your property as you see fit," Steve Jobs responded, "We do believe we have a moral responsibility to keep freedom away from the iPhone. Folks who want freedom can buy an Android phone. You know, there's a lot of freedom for Android, you can use it anyway you want to, you paid for the hardware, it's yours. You can download porn, your kids can download porn, it's totally free and up to you to do what you want. That's a place we don't want to go, so we're not going to go there." Apps such as Playboy's and the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition are still available on the App Store, however, as they come from "more reputable companies."'
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You know, there's a porn store for Android, you can download nothing but porn. You can download porn, your kids can download porn.
How does he know?
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After being asked about the App Store's recent ban on "sexy apps," Steve Jobs responded, "We do believe we have a moral responsibility to keep porn out of the app store to keep the moronic soccer moms off our ass. Folks who want porn can just use safari and browse to it like a normal person. You know, there's plenty of porn available on the iPhone, and plenty of gay porn hookup apps that soccer moms won't even notice. You can download porn via the browser, or any number of "respectable" apps from companies that make us a lot of money like Playboy and Sports Illustrated , your kids can download porn on their iPhones faster than we can attempt to block it, so we just come up with some lame ass story for the soccer mom's and they buy it because they are fucking pathetically stupid. That's a place we don't want to go, blocking safari, because we know kids will find their porn via browser anyway, so we're not going to go there."
"We do believe we have a moral responsibility to keep porn off the iPhone."
Apple's only moral responsibility is to let their users do whatever they feel like, and they have failed.
The "Apple cult" image tossed around as a joke and an insult is becoming more and more true every day. You can't simply buy a device from Apple - you have to buy their device, their software, their platform, and their tastes, desires and morals too, and once you do, you can't separate any of them. This isn't vendor lock-in, it's religion.
I was going to say, that's the best marketing the Android could have hoped for. "It does everything ours does *AND* can do porn." The adult industries have been a driving force for centuries, and Apple making a pseudo-clean environment isn't going to change that at all.
Serious? Seriousness is well above my pay grade.
You know, we joke about it, but whatever the porn industry backs usually ends up being the winner in format wars.
Blu Ray, VHS...
The only favour you're doing is helping droids, not iPhone customers.
I have an iPhone and a MacBook. But Jobs is increasingly pissing me off.
I gotta jailbreak my phone that I bought just so a) I can put the music on it that I want, b) it can't be turned off remotely or apps uninstalled without my say-so, c) it can have a video camera without a $$ upgrade - that's all bad enough. But I knew that going in.
But the way Jobs is going about deciding what CONTENT I get to have? WTF is that?
Sign me up for an Android when my contract with AT&T is done. That is, if I don't just switch the iPhone to Verizon anyway - another attempt to control my choices that Jobs can blow me for.
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Are those android porn stores owned by Google?
Personally I wouldn't care if they did, but somehow I doubt they do.
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I don't know about anyone else, but my primary fear is that my kids would see it and tell one of their friends at school about it. This then gets overheard by a parent with a huge stick up their ass who goes and tells anyone she can find that I'm letting my children watch porn, and before I know it I'm on the sex offender registry and my kids have a new family because this whole country always has a huge kneejerk overreaction whenever sex and children are mentioned in the same paragraph.
In short, it's not that I don't think my kids could handle porn, it's that everyone else couldn't handle the idea that my kids were exposed to porn.
We do believe we have a moral responsibility to keep porn off the iPhone
I wish some people would take some responsibility and stop buying Apple products because they support the immoral values of billionaires. Stooping to popular opinion and Fandom usually, at the most has led to mediocrity, and sometimes lynch mobs. If Steve Jobs thinks that sex is immoral then I hope he doesn't engage in it himself.
Nope. Google's Market does not allow porn. Steve is just being an asshole because you can go download and install Android apps from wherever. And somehow the worst kind of app is porn. Not, I dunno, malicious apps that steal your passwords.
The anti-porn rhetoric from the head of a politically liberal, gay-friendly company is pretty weird, to say the least.
In other words, as GP says, you are using an illegal method to transfer licensed content to a playback medium not covered by the original license.
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He's not going to get techies this way.
But he's not going to lose the iPhone-is-neato customers, and he's not going to lose the if Apple made a toilet I'd buy it crowd. Those groups either don't care that they're restricted, don't know they're restricted, or actually want to be restricted.
He's saying this for consumption by the media. It's a nice buzz-bit. "Android is for porn." The media will repeat it because it's pithy and uses a titillating word. And the folks who have no clue about restrictions will repeat this to themselves when they go to buy a phone. Wives will insist that husbands buy iPhones for themselves and for the kids.
This is not Jobs being stupid. This is both genius and an indication that Jobs is very, very afraid. His control-everything system depends on him being the master of really the only very good phone/tablet system. There's another system and pretty soon it'll be good enough to make his look less revolutionary. He needs another way to keep his silo full.
It's a moot point anyway. Because the iPhone _does_ allow porn. Playboy is porn right? Safari can view porn right? So he's basically full of shit claiming some moral high ground. It's a joke and that's what we're laughing at. So I'll get off your lawn, if you come and join the fun.
Apple is simply saying they will not sell apps that contain porn.
Unless the porn comes from a reputable company like Playboy. As a parent, knowing that my child is getting his porn from reputable companies takes a lot off my mind.
It's also helpful to tell people why you won't buy one when you have the opportunity.
You: "Ya know mom, I wouldn't get the iPhone. They prevent you from doing things you want to do with your hardware."
Mom: "Like what?"
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Well, an iPhone/iPad isn't exactly the most macho-looking bit of hi-technology, is it?
Every time I see a woman carrying an iPhone, it seemed to be bulked up with big chunky covers and accessories, presumably because otherwise it just looks too girlie.
If you look at it, and track back the design vocabulary of the back and the rim and the little round button, the design ethos is essentially classic ladies jewelery. The silver-backed iPod Touch looks like what you'd expect a Chanel silver-backed ladies' hairbrush to look like with the bristles removed.
It's all a bit Paris Hilton.
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Not only is the actual availability of porn a potential driving force, Apple has just shattered their facade of being a "cool, forward thinking company".
As I said in another comment, their core market is young, rich, art/media types. Apple have far less of a need than many to worry about the older, more conservative buyers. Using porn as the bogeyman just isn't going to fly with young people - trying to drag an opponent's name through the mud by associating it with something that plenty of people now consider harmless just makes Apple look out of touch.
Hooray! I can bitch and moan then. Censorship is one of the many reasons I don't go to wal-mart. They won't sell Cosmo but they will sell you a gun. They censor their music. They break unions. They treat their employees like crap.
Thanks for the invitation to complain. I didn't know you could do that on the internet.
I was going to say, that's the best marketing the Android could have hoped for. "It does everything ours does *AND* can do porn." The adult industries have been a driving force for centuries, and Apple making a pseudo-clean environment isn't going to change that at all.
Perhaps. But Jobs was definitely trying to inspire some FUD (in this case, fear) against the Android when he said "You can download porn, your kids can download porn..."
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Jobs didn't say "Apple won't sell porn" he said "We do believe we have a moral responsibility to keep porn off the iPhone". He's mad.
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True for VHS, but initially the adult industry backed HD-DVD, not bluray,and bluray still won.
Unfortunately most of the streaming porn that people watch on their browsers is in Flash. The same problem exists with streaming sites that play for foreign dramas. Even if HTML5 really catches on it will generally be for mainstream content. The iTunes thing is kind of a pain. Downloaded videos are rarely in a format that iTunes will recognize. You have to convert your whole library to their format which is time consuming. Porn is more of a spontaneous activity. If your not in the mood to watch it immediately you aren't going to be in the mood to convert your porn files to an iPad friendly format.
Actually... it's more like saying that the person who built your house (that YOU own) says that he doesn't want OJ Simpson in the house that YOU own. And actively stops you from having him as a guest.
Your analogy is ludicrous. How would you explain away not having Flash functionality?
Apple sells the same kind of freedom as Microsoft.
Is the extreme hypocrisy of allowing SI swimsuit and Playboy apps but saying "We don't allow porn."
Look, it is my well educated opinion that Playboy, soft-core BS, swimsuit calendars/photoshoots, and basically the societal desire to objectify women through "moral" sexualizations causes MORE harm than XXX hard core pornography does. Why? Because it's insidious and sends terrible messages to people and messes with their psyches. It's OK to objectify and look at women sexually as long AS LONG AS THERE'S NO SEX INVOLVED?! But, wait, isn't that the point? Oh, no, it's better to get guys hot and bothered with teases and pics of scantily clad women everywhere and then tell them "SEX IS BAD!!!" than it is to show them videos of ACTUAL SEX and saying, "Meh, it's just sex." REALLY?? This is the moral stance??? It's OK to have Janet Jackson sing about sexual topics, dress sluttily and grind her body against a man in a mock sexual ritual but "HOLY MOTHER OF GOD!!! 0.5 SECONDS OF TIT JUST FLASHED ACROSS MY TV SCREEN!!!" That messes with people's heads and gives them warped ideas about sexuality and women.
So Steve Jobs can keep his "moral" porn and I'll hang on to the stuff that doesn't pander to me and send me mixed messages about what's right and wrong, what's ok and what's dirty, and enjoy the wisdom of knowing IT'S ALL ABOUT SEX without pretending "sex but not sex" is somehow better than just sex without all the BS.
>> Playboy's and the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition are still available on the App Store, however, as they come from 'more reputable companies
Ahh so kids seeing "reputable" porn is OK then ehh Steve? ... Obviously this actually has nothing to do with porn and all to do with licencing revenue.
I have to disagree. I'm far from a Microsoft fan, but they've never prevented me from running software on their products because they disagreed with the content or subject matter.
They don't care what you're doing, as long as you're doing it on their platforms. (Although I've never owned a Zune or even seen one in person).
Apple, on the other hand, wants to completely control what you think and do when using their products.
It's comical but Apple's trying to make sure 2010 and beyond will be like 1984.
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Microsoft prevents me from running the software I want to run on my xbox 360 and zune.
The anti-porn rhetoric from the head of a politically liberal, gay-friendly company is pretty weird, to say the least.
What has "gay-friendly" got to do with it?
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Speaking as somebody who isn't interested in living within Apple's Walled Garden or cashing in my privacy with Google, neither phrasing reads like anything but propaganda.
You guys really should listen to yourselves. "Be free! Do as I say!"
I do not like to be told what I can buy and what not. And I do not shop as Walmart as I do not shop as Aldi or any other discounter which treats their personnel badly. But there is a big difference between Walmart and Apple. Walmart is a store, and I can go to any other store I want when the products from Walmart are not satisfactory. But when I have an iPhone, I can only go to Apple to buy apps. And with iTunes I can only shop at iTunes-Music-Store. This is like Ford having a discounter and you can only drive to the Ford-discounter with your new vehicle, but not to Walmart or any street market.
Android is scaring the crap out of him If I was running Apple, it would terrify me. Of course, with hundreds of millions of dollars in my bank account, I could probably still sleep at night.
So get yourself a fucking Nokia already.
You do know that Apple and Google aren't the only game in town.
In the phone market they aren't even the biggest.
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I think it is safe to say, without even a hint of hyperbole, that Steve Jobs is a fascist. As soon as censorship becomes a "moral responsibility", something has gone deeply wrong. Supporting Apple is supporting the death of the creativity and freedom that the company likes to pretend it nurtures. Think too different, and your work will be dragged out in the middle of the night and shot.
Apple actually acknowledged that Android exists! I thought that was a big no-no
I recommend avoiding the cream filled donuts.
is is absolutely absurd. Apple has zero interest in blocking what you can view in Safari (or Firefox or whatever you browse with). This is solely about the apps in the App Store. Nothing more.
You're looking at it wrong. You see, WHY is this about the App Store? Because Apple has enough leverage here that they can be the only source of applications here, which means that they can skim a bit of profit off of every app sold that works on the iPhone.
They don't have that leverage in the general web yet, but you can bet they'd like to, and they've already proven what they're willing to do with that leverage. If for example, there were sufficient iPhone users out there, it wouldn't be too much of a strech for Apple to move their platform to an opt-in method. You go to sites on a segregated Apple internet, and the sites there pay Apple for their presence there. Facebook coughs up a bit of money each month or they can't be accessed by iPhone users. Essentially, the same type of lock-in as with the app store.
The reason there is simple: profit motive. They don't currently have the ability to do this from a PR standpoint at the moment, but their past behavior has removed any doubts from my mind that they would if they could.
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Anti-porn is one of the few things that ultra-liberals ("objectifies women") and ultra-conservatives ("makes Jesus cry") can agree on.
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This is absurd. The only thing they are controlling is the apps on their store
Oh, so I'm free to get my iphone porn apps form other stores then?
He obviously thinks that they can sell more phones by employing a marketing message built around morals. This post nailed it.
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Well, the caves that had the women with boobies were probably the most popular ones.
There was an interesting piece on the History Channel (I believe) about the brothels of Pompeii.
An awful lot of our history has been determined by either sex or driven because of sex. Occasionally people try to deny this, but in the end it is what drives humanity. Well, humanity is a bit narrow minded, it's what has driven any organism that thrives. Without these instinctual urges, an organism would be a dead end on their evolutionary path.
Someone will probably want to go all religious on this, so let me beat them to the punch.
Serious? Seriousness is well above my pay grade.
You mean except for XBox and Windows Phone 7 right?
Slashdot is seriously out of touch with reality regarding Apple.
So it is ok for Apple/Jobs to be self-righteous and sanctimonious, as long as they are profitable? What if they starting losing money, would you then find his words offensive? Perhaps some people find it offensive purely on the basis of it restricting your liberty with hardware you paid dearly for.
What are you, a stockholder or just a tool?
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But Steve also physically forbids you from buying apps in other stores. This situation is only comparable to being able to walk to the porn store next door if in that scenario Steve has a hired thug standing outside it preventing you from shopping there.
Steve Job, today's "moral apostle" on the iPhone, is the same hypocritical fuck who fathered a girl and denied it, yet proclaims his moral superiority to the rest of us because of porn? Steve Jobs doesn't give a flying fuck about porn. It's just more pandering to the Disney crowd. There's nothing wrong with that, but it would be nice if he had the balls to admit it.
Steve Jobs thinks sex is immoral? And the fanbois follow "I think this is a good feature and opinion. We are a lot more productive if we don't engage in any fun activity such as sex. I am not having sex, so no one should be!"
Apple devices are like the combination of forced opinions, ban on alcohol, tobacco, sex, open source and freedom, and Apple and Steve Jobs being a tyranny and a dictator. Still fanbois think it's "think different". I take back the "it's marketing and PR" - it's also propaganda how you should be living, almost like a church.
So your claim is that businessmen have no moral responsibility? That their fiduciary responsibility trumps whatever moral responsibilities one may have? I don't think so. We're all people regardless of where we work.
I'm not saying that moral responsibility is relevant to pornography on the iPhone, it may or may not be; but your statement is eerily similar to the excuses made by executives who have abused monopoly power, sold faulty or poisonous products, cheated their employees, cheated the IRS, and outright lied. Being involved in a business venture doesn't exempt one from their moral responsibilities.
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