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TSA Worker Jailed In Body Scan Rage Incident
A TSA worker in Miami was arrested for aggravated battery after he attacked a co-worker for making fun of the size of his genitals. Rolando Negrin walked through one of the new body scanners during a recent training session and a supervisor started making fun of his manhood. From the article: "According to the police report, Negrin confronted one of his co-workers in an employee parking lot, where he hit him with a police baton on the arm and back."
If you just shrugged it off then only your coworkers would know you have a small dick. Now the whole world knows.
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I'm not sure I wanted to click on that link..
Maybe it was too damn big?
MAKE NO ASSUMPTIONS!
The attacker said, "my rod feels pretty damn big now, doesn't it? [thump] Huh? [whack] You like this big rod? [thump whack]"
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Bring bratwurst when flying.
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If the institute this system I give it a month before we start seeing real "naked" pictures of celebrities online taken with the TSA employee's camera phones.
Kosh: "Understanding is a 3 edged sword, your side, their side, the Truth."
So much for the obfuscation that's promised. Or maybe it was obfuscated and they just decided to pick on him.
The whole purpose of the scanners to emasculate and demean the people who pass through them. This should be clear to everyone.
May the Maths Be with you!
Maybe I'm missing something, but this story isn't really about my rights online. It's not even about my rights at all as much as an example of hundreds of assault cases that seem to happen everyday.
(In this case, it also sounds like there was a decidedly hostile working environment going on and that the supervisor was way, way out of line, too. Not that it justifies a physical assault, but still.)
So, they can't even this technology in regards to each other, and we're supposed to believe they won't behave the same (or worse) when confronted with the public at large being forced to expose themselves in these things?
Really?
Their may be a grammatical error, misspeling, or evn a typo in this post.
Can a TSA employee be arrested for child porn if the cops catch him just as a minor is walking through the scanner?
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
it's a privacy issue (for people who care who sees them naked)
But if this latest incident is any indication, the scanners sound like good news for anti-terrorism and bad news for less-than-average men.
So what you're saying, NBC, is that the only people who would complain about this invasive technology are terrorists and guys with small dicks?
Well done.
Their may be a grammatical error, misspeling, or evn a typo in this post.
The TSA is a government agency and has no right to, essentially, strip search you if you refuse. Refuse full body scans and request other search options.
Alright May 7th 2010, who had May 7th as the date a TSA worker would get arrested for something related to the new body scanners? .... Anyone? ..... come on people, I have 454 comments of people saying this is a Very Bad Idea, someone had to have May 7th....
my karma will be here long after I'm gone
TFA is more about the incident and less about the privacy issue. I read two sentences that barely make a passing remark at privacy issues. This belongs on idle if anything. Reading the comments thus far just reinforces this.
...has demonstrated that the allegations are definitely true.
Why do we want to see this guy's face as the Slashdot icon?
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As a frequent flyer, I love this story. If anything was going to lend credence to the inappropriateness of these scanners in a lawsuit, this is. A TSA supervisor making fun of genitals now a matter of public record? So... much... legal... win...
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Wouldn't the package in question be considered "carry on?" If you had to "check it" at the gate wouldn't that be a personal problem?
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can this guy sue the tsa for sexual harassment?
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Stand tall and proud. The sole purpose of these horrible machines is to reinforce the idea that we are subjects, not citizens, and consumers, not producers. Resist them. Big, small, average, female, intersex, whatever you are, stand proud against this filth and hope that some day Americans will once again care more about freedom than fighting a few terrorists and a lot of shadows.
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Based upon the available information - sounds like they should fire the supervisor, train the employees on sexual harassment, and fire Mr. Negron for assault.
Unfortunately, we as taxpayers will ultimately pay for all of it...
Sounds like he's got a good case for sexual harassment in the workplace. Sounds like he was subject to a hostile work environment, a violation of Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, as amended.
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Actually, the more such stories make the point that those guys really _are_ looking at people naked, the better for the public at large.
The things have been handwaved to the public as just some magical things that see explosives and guns and not much else, and their operators are 100% profesional and would do no such thing as looking for anything else than guns anyway. (In fact, one politician in Australia even claimed that they'll produce just stick figures with just the areas to be checked marked, and nobody would see your body at all.) And obviously if you're refusing to let them look at you that way, you're probably a terrorist and don't deserve to fly. (E.g., Muslim woman barred from flight for refusing body scan)
Now it turns out that they aren't just for explosives, and they aren't that professional.
And I mean there's not just this, but also the guy at Heathrow Airport who pressed the button to take a ghostly snapshot of a female coworker's body. She seemed pretty traumatized by it too and won't go anywhere near the machine any more, so maybe now we can also have some sympathy for the others who are scared of them.
Or the actor who discovered some female employees there looking at a printout of his scans, so he autographed it for them.
The sooner Joe Average gets the idea that these kinds of things happen, and no matter what some politician says, those people aren't saints, the better.
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Quoth the article: "The $170,000 machines, which were introduced last year, took some heat from fliers who weren't quite ready to show their bod to government employees... But if this latest incident is any indication, the scanners sound like good news for anti-terrorism and bad news for less-than-average men."
The implication here seems to be that it's okay to eliminate individual privacy rights because only poorly endowed men will complain. Granted, a news-hat was just trying to end on a light note, but treating it lightly undermines the legitimacy of the privacy concern.
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Guys with little dicks are so touchy about that kind of thing.
He should have responded "It's cold in here, dammit. IT'S COLD IN HERE!" or "It's a grow-er, not a show-er".
Still, nobody cares except the guys with little dicks. Buy a Corvette . . . or a hovercraft.
"I believe in Karma. That means I can do bad things to people all day long and I assume they deserve it." : Dogbert
Time to get out the tin foil hats and place them on your...head.
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Or, in this case, who screens the screeners? (my Latin sucks, English will have to do)
Stories like this simply make it clear that:
a) the level of detail coming out of these scanners is somewhat better than many have been led to believe.
b) the level of professionalism of some of the people charged with operating the scanners is somewhat worse than many have been led to believe.
If seeing people naked is what it really takes to introduce real security into the scanning process, just tell everyone they have to get naked to go through security. Don't hide the fact behind millions of dollars in technology and bullshittery and try to convince us that the people operating the gear are anything other than underpaid security guards, some (the vast minority, but still some) of whom will jump on the chance to sell any images they can capture, and that the images are of sufficient clarity that they are worth capturing.
I'm not against such scanners per se, though they seem like a very expensive way to gain a possibly marginal but mostly imaginary increase in security. But let's stop bullshitting ourselves that there will be any realistic expectation of privacy once they get implement, mmmm'kay?
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> The whole purpose of the scanners to emasculate and demean the people who pass through them. This should be clear to everyone.
No, that's just how they're used in some cases. Although to be fair, the last time I ran into an abusive and power-hungry TSA employee was pre-9/11, and everyone I've seen in the last few years has been professional, courteous, and often amiable. But I don't travel much.
Scanners are really just a deterrent. Kind of like polygraphs--sure, someone can probably figure out a way around it, but it deters a lot of people from trying things they shouldn't try and catches a few really stupid people. Like Congressional Representatives who have their aid carry a gun for them or multimillionaire basketball players who take their weed through customs, plus a hundred thousand really stupid people we don't hear about because they're not famous.
Sure, most of the time the behavior it deters or catches is probably stuff that doesn't hurt anyone. But that doesn't mean it doesn't serve a function beyond emasculation.
Strangely, that last paragraph may also apply to significant others... (of either gender)
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this man has no dick
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - Evelyn Beatrice Hall, re Voltaire
No, the new scanners are absolutely no privacy threat. How could anyone think so?
But if this latest incident is any indication, the scanners sound like good news for anti-terrorism and bad news for less-than-average men.
Good news? I lose sleep over disposable liberties.
-Will P.
Too bad this guy decided to beat up his boss. He had a slam-dunk sexual harassment case. He could have gotten a million dollars, maybe a couple million, without ever going to trial.
Better to be thought a smallmember by one man, than to kick that man's ass and to be KNOWN to be a smallmember by everyone.
You can't trust TSA with keeping scans confidential.
protest body scanners by wearing it on the left.
Pass it on: Wearing it on the left shows that you reject government intrusion.
We are under no illusions as to any hint of professionalism among the chuckleheads at the TSA.
"I'm a grower, not a show-er"
TSA employees are assholes. I don't object to body scanning even if it's cold and it'll show. I've happily done it in the UK even when it was voluntary.
I don't really care to do it in the US though. Pretty much every TSA employee I have ever met was a cock. They feel the need to make comments because I'm an American who opted to live outside the US (I know, a real crime) and even asking a simple question like where a certain gate is apparently is enough to be quizzed and have your travel documents looked through and maybe even have your bags checked despite having already went through that when entering the country.
It's the sort of job wanna-be tough guys take. It's no surprise it turns out they have little dicks. It explains a lot about their attitudes.
Now, since these "professionals" can't even manage to complete their training on these devices before they start behaving like ten year olds looking at naked pictures, tell me again why I shouldn't beat the crap out of them for suggesting my wife should be scanned?!?
I'm supposed to believe those very same clowns will treat the entire matter professionally?
Wrong.
the purpose, although misguided, is to make it harder for someone to get a bomb or gun on a plane. The byproduct of these will reduce our humanity.
Resist them, but don't sound like a nut job doing it.
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If seeing people naked is what it really takes to introduce real security into the scanning process, just tell everyone they have to get naked to go through security. Don't hide the fact behind millions of dollars in technology
No, no, and again: No. That technology helps me avoid seeing my fellow air travelers naked, including the guy that I'm about to sit very close to for the next 3 hours. No thank you.
Sounds like he should have cut the supervisors nuts off and shoved them in his mouth as payback.
Bollywood movie star Shah Rukh Khan full-body scan has already been leaked to the public. Contrary to previous assurances, the actor's scans were not kept anonymous, were not destroyed, and were released into the hands of fans before he even got out of the airport. The actor, somewhat shocked when presented with naked pictures of himself by a couple of girls, remained in remarkably good humor and even autographed the printouts.
"'Then I saw these girls -- they had these printouts. I looked at them. I thought they were some forms you had to fill. I said 'give them to me' -- and you could see everything inside. So I autographed them for them.' said Khan."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/10/shah-rukh-khan-claims-nak_n_457200.html
http://www.prisonplanet.com/exposed-naked-body-scanner-images-of-film-star-printed-circulated.html
He put his boots up on the table and made a face. "The sig," he smirked. "You can waste your life in search of the sig."
They ruled in the UK that despite child pornography laws, it is legal and required to scan children at the airports.
Has anybody seen that German clip where the guy goes through one of the English scanners? He pulls a bunch of stuff out of his jacket pockets that the scanner missed and builds a thermite bomb right in front of everybody. Then he goes outside and proves it works by setting it off and letting it burn through a metal container.
But at least these twats will get to look at my girlfriend's titties. Professionally, of course.
I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
The airport claimed they didn't do it, citing they the machines did not have a printer. CNN proved they did have a print capability. The only one caught in a lie so far is the airport spokesman.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/scannergate-facts-contradict-heathrow-claim-that-naked-images-cant-be-printed.html
"However, leaked government documents obtained by the Electronic Privacy Information Center and confirmed as authentic by CNN show that the devices must have the ability to store and send images when in "test mode."
"That requirement leaves open the possibility the machines -- which can see beneath people's clothing -- can be abused by TSA insiders and hacked by outsiders, said EPIC Executive Director Marc Rotenberg," according to the report.
"If you look at the actual technical specifications and you read the vendor contracts, you come to understand that these machines are capable of doing far more than the TSA has let on," added Rotenberg.
Indeed, if there is no capability for the devices to save, distribute and print images, then how on earth have news organizations obtained print outs of such images like the one below?
*picture shown*"
He put his boots up on the table and made a face. "The sig," he smirked. "You can waste your life in search of the sig."
So that's why I see COPS sitting most of the time on their job...
If they talk about the privacy/indecency/modesty issues, that would make them *unpatriotic." Can't have that now can we? Besides, they don't need to mention it. It is quite obvious! If a person in TSA's leadership isn't mature enough to not sexually harass a co-worker, they are all but guaranteed to disrespect the passengers in some way.
I'm a grower, not a shower. Can I get some assistance going through security, please?
cook county jail uses them to scan inmates
Are fluffers needed pre-scan?
Yes, we were promised that these machines would have a built-in software fig leaf. Now, of course, at some level it must be possible to turn it off, but if it's trivially easy for ordinary TSA staffers to peek at each other, then it's trivially easy for ordinary TSA staffers to peek at us.
"How to Do Nothing," kids activities, back in print!
Are you allowed to just go through the security check point naked instead?
I mean - if it's okay for some fucker in a secluded room to stare at my naked body, why isn't it okay for the rest of the passengers to see that I'm not carrying any kind of weapons or explosives?
All things considered, it must be rather reassuring that it's the case ...
Would some TSA agent please leak an image of some politician please? One minor enough to still use commercial jets, but important enough to influence policy. That way, after a few comments like "well, obviously he's in favor of the giant building project", there'd be enough ruckus to get rid of these scanners. It's in their favor as well, since I know I definitely would not want to see certain people naked.
And in related news, check this couple or shall we say "duo":
http://www.gadling.com/2010/05/03/detroit-airport-cop-and-tsa-worker-accused-of-stealing-pizza-and/
http://www.infowars.com/detroit-airport-cop-and-tsa-worker-accused-of-stealing-pizza-and-punching-clerk/
http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/local/officers-accused-of-crossing-the-line
He's an airport cop, she's a TSA worker at the same airport. On the weekends these two love to booze it up ... watch the video!!
and
The short of it, they go into a gas station convenience store, she grabs two pieces of pizza and they try to leave the
store. The store clerk comes after the two demanding payment for the pizza, she takes out her TSA id card
and says she's with "Homeland Security". The store clerk not impressed by the two follows them out to the
pumps and tries to get their license plate. She opens the tailgate thus flipping the license plate up so the clerk can't
see it. Some back and forth. At one point then the clerk gets the tailgate but then the cop runs after him and
punches him in the face.
It turns out though, "Homeland Sekurity" used her credit card to pay for an item in the store, the shenanigans
outside the store trying to cover up the sign were completely unnecessary.
Just think about it, these fucks get to see you naked, they get to harrass you each step of the way until you're :-) but in real life they are pathetic scum. Keep that in mind next time you see any..
in the plane..
Why do they even need people to look at these at all? The human form is rather smooth, and it should be simple enough to write an algorithm that detects anomalies and gives a human a picture of just that area. Or not even a picture, just tell the screener what area needs to be searched. If we are to believe that these scanners go all the way down to the person's flesh, then it would be nearly impossible to make any kind of weapon smooth enough to be undetected by an algorithm.
Additionally I hope that these scans aren't being stored. At most they should be allowed to be stored for a day, after that the person's been arrested and you can pull the scan from the system for evidence, or the person has already gotten onto the plane, flown, and landed on the other side.
to my wife the other day that I want to get a some boxer briefs that would say in metal of some sort: "I know you're looking"
it's already fairly hard to get those on from within the us, so its a bit of overkill and a waste of money at this point.
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Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
I dunno, Coastguard?
... and then they built the supercollider.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRpWnK6Rg3E
The victim has a small penis in his pants, but the culprit has a hairy vagina around his mouth. Is it irony, coincidence, or Love?
The real bonus is paying a wage to all those people monitoring the strip-search. It's money better spent locally than into the pockets of industrial-military mega-corporations. Also the passengers will know 1) people are looking at their naked bodies, 2) if they are being photographed, 3) the danger of kiddie-porn being created.
Eh, for this, at least, a funny:
Plus, you don't get an oportunity to flash a rentacop every day ;)
And for the rest of his post, Insightful.
Airport security is ridiculous. If some fundamentalist asshat out there wants to take out a plane, there innumerable ways to do so, many if not most of which are not detectable by any methodology that we can dream up that doesn't violate the right to privacy we have so completely that even the sheeple will stand on their hind legs and complain.
Mod this post redundant, because it is...
SB
It's old. The more humans I meet, the more I like my cats. At least they are honest.
Cue the tin foil boxer shorts
...with most people's perception and experience with TSA (a bunch of small-brained bullies with undersize genitals and oversize metal batons?) If I thought my cow-orkers were looking at mine, I'd want to be as flaccid as possible -- the alternative would be to get turned on by it.
You're an asshole.
These scanners are an outrageous affront to the natural human right of dignity and need to be made illegal. They are a disgusting, and sad, symptom of a crippled global society. They also pose a far more likely, and far more destructive danger to us than terrorism, because they threaten to destroy our sense that we have the fundamental human right of dignity, which is directly and significantly tied to our individual security.
To hell with all the x-rays, time to develop an explosive proof dome that a traveller has to enter, they get bombarded with a current, which will detonate any explosives in or on a person..... Net result, terrorists identified efficiently..... better equip with a drain though.... simplify the cleanup.. ahem trial..... Just my two coppers...
he broke a couple of ribs... otherwise it's all for nothing.
Well, has he?
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- aqk
F U
Here are a few simple rules for living a happy life:
1. Never make fun of a woman's age, or tell her she looks fat.
2. Never make fun of a fashionable gay man's clothes.
3. Never make fun of a straight man's package.
I'm not saying that what this guy did was right, but seriously: If you break one of the above rules and you get hit, that's just nature's way of telling you you're an asshole.
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in fact, it would be most excellent if ALL TSA employees were required to have their scanned body images posted on the walls beside these machines when they're on duty - that would at least put them on the same level as the rest of us "suspects". Put those fat fuck pseudo-cop thugs back in their rightful place...
If you don't make fun of people's genitals, you won't get your ass-kicked. What's wrong with our court system, when your supervisor can pull this kind of crap, and you can't retaliate?
Personally, a sexual harassment suite probably would have served this guy better ... but seriously - if you make fun of someone, you shouldn't be surprised when they kick your ass.
That TSA sup is a pussy!
"The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away" -- "Step Right Up", Tom Waits
Forget about a guy fighting with his co-workers. These damn scanners can allow someone to judge the size of your genitals. That is ridiculous. I don't feel I should have to stand naked in front of someone just to board a plane. I am sorry but I prefer to take my chances with the terrorists.
You don't have to be smart to use a Mac, you just have to be smart enough to buy one
but the 9/11 terrorists DID NOT CARRY THE WEAPONS THRU SECURITY at all. They had them planted by the illegal immigrants working at the food service station.. with valid IDs and all.
In short, it was an inside job and the very people with "fast passes" are the ones who were guilty last time.... we're punishing passengers when it was the airport "system" that allowed the attack.
Welcome newcommer!
His UID is lower than yours. Now get off his lawn!
It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.
You allow some moron with a scanner to start really making fun of people, and this will happen, having someone make fun of my or my daughters condition, would send me off the deep end too, and as for knowing the WHOLE story, I am sure it isn't quite as we hear it.
Those body scanners were even told to be p0rnographic when scanning a child because it could be viewed as child p0rn when someone looking at it would see a child's genitals (UK) so how badly do we need these toys that in essence give us nothing in terms of real security....here's why....I am making a bomb I need some 1l of liquid explosive materials, I can by law split these into small containers (100ml) each that need to be small enough to pass security...once on the plane, i reassemble them inside another container big enough to fit all the liquid, then set it off......so all this supposed security makes no sense really, if someone wants to get on the plane with a bomb, they can.....it is just a matter of thinking around the obstacles.
As a flyer I have seen just how useless these are, having been selected for hand frisking for no apparent reason.
It's a compliment. The scanner image of your penis makes them think you must have attached a huge prosthetic, presumably hollow and packed full of explosives.
- T
Yup cause those body scanners are such a great idea.