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The Genius of the Lego Printer

Barence writes "If you've ever struggled to build anything more complex than a cube of Lego, this will blow your mind. It's a fully functioning Lego printer, complete with felt tip print head."

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  1. Linux by MrEricSir · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...but is there a Linux driver?

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    1. Re:Linux by DarkKnightRadick · · Score: 1

      There better be :-p

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    2. Re:Linux by alannon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Since OSX uses CUPS as its core printer driver system, I suspect it wouldn't be terribly difficult to make it run on Linux.

    3. Re:Linux by SkunkPussy · · Score: 2, Informative

      ye i can confirm he wrote a cups driver for it on his mac (old housemate)

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    4. Re:Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Err.. it would be hard to make CUPS work on LINUX ?

      Common UNIX printing system ? Sorry.. must be a joke I don't get.

  2. WTF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Stop linking to websites that link to the actual fucking article: http://www.b3ta.com/links/Lego_printer

    Also, this is just a more advanced variation of a project included with the original Lego Mindstorms kit.

    P.S.: fucking Flash used for video again. Lame.

    1. Re:WTF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      so by your definition, some shitty forum post is the "actual fucking article" as opposed to say an actual article?

    2. Re:WTF by Endo13 · · Score: 3, Informative

      And sometimes there's some pretty good reasons for it. Like in this particular instance the article is a great read and perfectly fine to do so anywhere you please. The forums with the original post, on the other hand, not so much.

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    3. Re:WTF by jc79 · · Score: 1

      b3ta.com is the place that the maker posted the video first. All the PC Pro article does is tell you that sometimes there are naughty pictures on b3ta and btw lego is great. That's hardly adding value.

      I recommend exploring b3ta if you don't know it. Start with the newsletter, then dip a toe into the waters of the image challenge. And everything SpankyHanky says is lies, albeit highly entertaining lies.

    4. Re:WTF by adamofgreyskull · · Score: 1

      b3ta.com is the place that the maker posted the video first. All the PC Pro article does is tell you that sometimes there are naughty pictures on b3ta and btw lego is great. That's hardly adding value.

      Emphasis mine. And all the b3ta.com post does is tell you that some guy called squirrelfantasy made a Lego printer. With horses. Followed by about 70 people saying "Wow! That's cool!". PC Pro is "hardly" adding value, but at least it's trying. I'd understand your consternation if the b3ta post had any details on the build-process, at all. If the creator can't even be bothered to write more than "I made this" and "Lego printer with added horses that I made." what does PC Pro have to work with?

    5. Re:WTF by Mr.+Roadkill · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Also, this is just a more advanced variation of a project included with the original Lego Mindstorms kit.

      This kind of thing goes back WAY further than that.

      I've got a book from the mid-80's with a whole lot of C64 robotics projects in it, which features a lego pen plotter. The paper handling is more convenient - that project was a drum plotter - but otherwise, it's a variation on that basic design. In some ways it's both a step up and a step down from that project - this rasterizes everything, whereas the old C64 project could draw non-jaggy lines in any direction.

      I'd say the paper handling alone makes it a step up from the C64 project in terms of convenience and usability, though. Plus, any advancements over the Mindstorms project make it worthy of attention IMHO - it's great that we can all learn from other tinkerers.

    6. Re:WTF by stonewallred · · Score: 1

      I find the rubik cube solving LEGO builds to me more interesting, or the automatic dice roller. Of course, with over 600 pounds of LEGO in stock, I am sort of into the whole idea of LEGO. And no, there is no link to my webpage or ebay store. I prefer not to see people self-promoting goods for sale, so I refrain.

    7. Re:WTF by twostix · · Score: 1

      Am I the only one, who after using Linux for ten years now on my desktop was happy when video started coming out in flash? Where before I could never, ever get firefox / konq / nautilus to play video natively without far to much mucking around and hacking and forever having upgrades breaking those hacks. Now I can watch everything flawlessly. Where before flash embedded video become the standard I rarely could watch *anything* without some sort of problem arising now I can watch 99.9% of everything. I tell you I get a cold feeling in the pit of my stomach when people say "let the browser handle video!!?1111!".

      It did. For a decade before Flash and as far as I'm concerned those were the bad old days and I pray the Internet never goes back.

    8. Re:WTF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First it was included with the lego control center for technic, back in the mid-90s.

      That wasn't computer controlled, of course, but it was the lego portions of the plotter. Everything else is just software.

      Looks like here's a video:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl3CYran0dc

    9. Re:WTF by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      P.S.: fucking Flash used for video again. Lame.

      Are you ignorant, trolling or both?

      If you're trolling then you must realise that maybe if the video was not flash then Firefox users may have difficulty viewing it depending on the codec used.

      If you're ignorant then you a very special kind of ignorant not to realise that the video is a youtube video. You know, youtube, that site that announced its videos are available as HTML5 too?

    10. Re:WTF by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      Except it didn't. It just passed it on to a plugin for Windows Media Player, or QuickTime Player, or RealPlayer - exactly like it does for Flash. It's just that Flash was more cross-platform.

      The browser handling it (preferably using shared codecs) is what's best, really, because then you don't have to rely on a closed plugin to play the video. Better yet, you can actually run videos on ANY platform that you can run an HTML5-compatible browser and has enough resources to run the codecs.

    11. Re:WTF by Kilrah_il · · Score: 1

      Let me tell you, that in the Windows world things weren't much better. One site wants Windows Media Player, another QuickTime and a third RealTime. In most sites I just gave up, wasn't worth the trouble. Flash made everything easier in all the different OSs. However, HTML5 video works just as flawlessly, so I don't see us returning to those darn-awful days.

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    12. Re:WTF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Emphasis MINE:

      If the creator can't even be bothered to write more than "I made this" and "Lego printer with added horses that I made. " what does PC Pro have to work with?

      You have right there shown why the b3ta link is the preferred source, rather than PC Pro's glorified retweet, in pretty much the way I was going to do before I read to the end of your retort. One is the content creator saying "hey guys, I made a thing, I thought you'd like it", and embedding their homemade youtube video into the b3ta page because it lacks its own video system. The other is a general purpose PC magazine site going "hey look at this neat thing some other guy made and posted up on some other site" which is pretty much what Slashdot ALREADY does - why add an extra layer?

  3. Lego Printer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    When I saw this headline, I thought it printed on to lego blocks forming words using lego blocks

    1. Re:Lego Printer? by clone53421 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I thought it printed LEGO creations from LEGO blocks.

      Y’know, your average 3D printer... but with LEGO bricks.

      That would be cool.

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    2. Re:Lego Printer? by omnichad · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I thought it was a 3D printer that printed LEGO bricks themselves.

    3. Re:Lego Printer? by Zapotek · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I thought it printed LEGO creations from LEGO blocks.

      Y’know, your average 3D printer... but with LEGO bricks.

      That would be cool.

      I love how a 3D printer is now referred to as "an average 3D printer [no big deal]".
      I'm stilled quite fascinated by that technology...

    4. Re:Lego Printer? by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      Well, my second guess was it might print onto LEGO bricks themselves... e.g. design-your-own minifig faces. I know for a fact that felt tip pens will smear and smudge on LEGO bricks, though, so that was pretty obviously not what they meant.

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    5. Re:Lego Printer? by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Same.
      I am filled with disappointment.

    6. Re:Lego Printer? by smellsofbikes · · Score: 4, Interesting

      For what it's worth, here's a video of a LEGO car printer made of LEGO bricks. It's not an arbitrary 3d printer, it just does cars, but you can choose the color of the car.

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    7. Re:Lego Printer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Holy hell that is mind numbing to watch. Cool but good grief.

    8. Re:Lego Printer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not an arbitrary 3d printer, it just does cars, but you can choose the color of the car.

      As long as it is black?

    9. Re:Lego Printer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if it runs out of ink it starts cannibalising itself?

    10. Re:Lego Printer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Man i feel your disapointment.... I just got me a laser printer, fucking thing doesn't print lasers or sharks.. what is going on?!?!

    11. Re:Lego Printer? by z4pp4 · · Score: 1

      I thought it printed LEGO creations from LEGO blocks. Y’know, your average 3D printer... but with LEGO bricks. That would be cool.

      What would be *really really* cool if you can make a 3D LEGO printer that prints another 3D LEGO printer, and so on until you see how it degrades over a 1000 iterations...

  4. I want a 3D printer by jgagnon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That will take a CAD drawing and build me a Lego model from it. :p

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    1. Re:I want a 3D printer by Yvan256 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Search "Lego factory" on YouTube. I've seen one that builds Lego cars.

    2. Re:I want a 3D printer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about a 3D printer that will take a CAD drawing of a 3D printer and build you a 3d printer that will take a CAD drawing of a 3d printer and build you a 3D printer that will take a CAD drawing of a 3D printer and build you a 3d printer from it from it from it.

      [anonymouse as my geek ego couldn't take it if I got that wrong]

    3. Re:I want a 3D printer by g0bshiTe · · Score: 4, Informative

      They have one, it's called RepRap.

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    4. Re:I want a 3D printer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It could print another lego 3D printers.

    5. Re:I want a 3D printer by TheBig1 · · Score: 1

      Other than the fact that it cannot make another entire printer, then sure. It will make parts, but the wires and electrical stuff needs to be sourced elsewhere.

      Don't get me wrong, its still a very cool project, but I can't make 1000 of them from a single one (yet).

    6. Re:I want a 3D printer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whooooooa man that was deep. Are you like a expert in lego theory or something?

    7. Re:I want a 3D printer by craash420 · · Score: 1

      Yo Dawg, we heard you like CAD so we...

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    8. Re:I want a 3D printer by Wolvenhaven · · Score: 1

      I like http://wiki.makerbot.com/start better, it's a much more solid and well thought out printer, granted it can't make as many of it's own parts as RepRap can.

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    9. Re:I want a 3D printer by R2.0 · · Score: 1

      "That will take a CAD drawing and build me a Lego model from it. :p"

      Even better - a Lego Von Neumann machine...

      I'm thinking "Mom and the Kids" by Niven and Drake.

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  5. Disappointment by OpenSourced · · Score: 1

    I somehow thought that a "Lego printer" was a device to create an image of what you print using Lego cubes. So, as amazing as the thing is, I felt a bit disappointed.

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    1. Re:Disappointment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I came here to say this. But then you already had, so I felt a bit disappointed.

    2. Re:Disappointment by halivar · · Score: 4, Funny

      My only disappointment is that he used "special pieces." At least, I think a felt-tip and a rubber-band count as those.

    3. Re:Disappointment by langelgjm · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, didn't some of the Technics kits come with different kinds of bands and wheels for them? So that's not too much of a stretch...

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    4. Re:Disappointment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is a circuit board standard set these days? They keep adding so much...

    5. Re:Disappointment by KlaymenDK · · Score: 1

      Badum-tish. Hah.

      But yes, I have a number of sets with rubber bands in them (although there might be a different term for them in legolese?).

    6. Re:Disappointment by SydShamino · · Score: 1

      There are plenty of hard-core LEGO enthusiasts who only use official LEGO-brand rubber bands. There are enough sets that have come with a rubber band, various pieces of string, etc., to make that possible. Back when I bought sets and resold them as parts in the late 90s, the rubber bands and string and such were hot sellers.

      The pen, though.... I can't think of any set that has come with a pen. Maybe use one from LEGOLAND?

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    7. Re:Disappointment by JonJ · · Score: 1

      The pen, though.... I can't think of any set that has come with a pen. Maybe use one from LEGOLAND?

      Maybe my memory is playing tricks on me here, but there was this set that my older brother got a long time ago, which was a husge truck, that had extra instructions for making it into either a sorting machine(I don't know the technical name) or a drawing machine. I believe that one came with a pen, so if I remember correctly some sets have been known to come with pens.

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    8. Re:Disappointment by mcvos · · Score: 1

      My only disappointment is that he used "special pieces." At least, I think a felt-tip and a rubber-band count as those.

      Rubber bands are legal as far as I'm concerned, and I don't think there an official Lego pen yet, so you can't get out of the felt-tip either. But the home-made electronics made me wonder how essential the Lego really is in this printer.

      It's still awesome, though. I especially like the little touches with the minifigs (though they may have been added to make it look like there's more Lego in it).

    9. Re:Disappointment by spazdor · · Score: 1

      I don't believe so, but you can definitely get third-party breadboarding addons for Lego. I'm not sure whether they're licensed merch or not.

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    10. Re:Disappointment by SkunkPussy · · Score: 1

      no of course not, he had to build his own circuit to interface the lego motors to his pc, then he had to write a cups driver as well. not forgetting the actual lego mechanism. Each of those components would be a worthy project in itself.

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    11. Re:Disappointment by SkunkPussy · · Score: 1

      you get back rubber bands with some lego technic sets.

      obviously the felt pen, circuit board and printer driver weren't bought in a toy shop

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    12. Re:Disappointment by Brad1138 · · Score: 1

      My only disappointment is that he used "special pieces." At least, I think a felt-tip and a rubber-band count as those

      Actually a good portion of that printer is made with K'nex. The roller wheels and axle being the most prominent.

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    13. Re:Disappointment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rubber bands are in Lego Technic kits, or whatever they're called these days.

    14. Re:Disappointment by asukasoryu · · Score: 1

      Lego Technic set 8094 had a pen (see item x245px1 in the list). It also had a fancy controller with programmable sequences. I purchased this set in Taiwan in the 80's. It was pretty fancy for it's time (before Mindstorms came out).

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  6. I may be the only one by Bicx · · Score: 1

    I clicked on the article, excited to see a 3D printer that printed out complete Lego models. Talk about a let-down.

    1. Re:I may be the only one by MozeeToby · · Score: 1

      You're not alone. I was expecting software that allowed you to place lego bricks in 3d space and then hit print and have the object you designed built for you. Not that this isn't neat, just not nearly as neat as what I first imagined.

    2. Re:I may be the only one by g0bshiTe · · Score: 3, Funny

      Wow, talk about Epic Fail. The summary even says "with felt tip print head".

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    3. Re:I may be the only one by cool_arrow · · Score: 1

      you can download software from the lego website that will allow you to do the design in 3D. Throw down the cash and they will ship your design but you have to build it. http://ldd.lego.com/

    4. Re:I may be the only one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      No one reads TFS, that's what titles are for you insensitive clod!

  7. Ouch by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

    I'm guessing it takes one new felt tip pen per page, seeing how often it hits the page.

    It's always freakin' Windows or Linux for these crazy projects, so bonus points for making the whole thing run on a Mac, as an OS-level printer driver too.

    1. Re:Ouch by obarel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You mean "it's 1,000 times cheaper than inkjet".

    2. Re:Ouch by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Although he loses some street cred for not using Dogcow Especially since it was used for print dialogs.

      The image of the dogcow was used to show the orientation and color of the paper in Mac OS page setup dialog boxes. HCI engineer Annette Wagner made the decision to use the dog from the Cairo font as a starting point for the page graphic. Annette edited the original font and created a larger version with spots more suitable for demonstrating various printing options. The new dog graphic had a more bovine look, making it arguably less clear as to what animal it was intended to be, and after the print dialog was released the name "dogcow" came into use.

    3. Re:Ouch by jslater25 · · Score: 1

      Actually, if you've seen the prices for Lego pieces these days, I don't know if this printer would be much cheaper than a normal inkjet.

    4. Re:Ouch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Moof!

    5. Re:Ouch by KlaymenDK · · Score: 1

      That depends on the lifespan, no? Most inkjets you can buy for almost free, but the refills will bleed you dry (so to speak). Lasers, on the other hand, are rather expensive up front but can run for miles on one tank of, um, wrong analogy. What I'm saying is, I think Lego printers might be classified as laser printers.

    6. Re:Ouch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, I think you missed the part about it running on a Mac.

    7. Re:Ouch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Lasers, on the other hand, are rather expensive up front but can run for miles on one tank

      Indeed!

      I own a color laser that I got second hand with at least 2 replacement sets of toner for $80. That was three years ago. I still haven't put any of the replacement toner in. I think it's going to last longer than every inkjet I've ever had put together.

      The ironic thing is that laser printers are good for people who print infrequently, as the toner doesn't "dry out" due to disuse like ink does. To top it off, ink cartridges are about $50, and toner is about $80.... for 5X the number of pages.

      There was a great deal a year ago on these network Lexmarks from PCConnection with high-cap toner installed. $150ish or so. I did the math for a buddy of mine who was looking for a printer at the time on how much the replacement toner would cost an so on.... He bought two of them instead :-D

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    8. Re:Ouch by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 1

      actually, its more like a plotter. they are not used much anymore, but where used to draw plans from 2d CAD programs. they had a mechanism that could change pens, and used several pens with different tips and colors. they could move the paper back and forth, and the pen laterally to the paper movement as well.

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    9. Re:Ouch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      b3ta has a thing about horses. They love horses; best of all the animals, in fact.

    10. Re:Ouch by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      You mean CUPS driver? ;-)

  8. Sharpie would give more detail by sxedog · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Let's improve on this by adding a fine point marker! :)

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    1. Re:Sharpie would give more detail by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      Pshh. Nah. Use a 0.4 mm mechanical pencil, and get 63.5 DPI!

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    2. Re:Sharpie would give more detail by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 1

      might be hard, gotta make the machine click the little button on the pencil and advance the lead, and only do it when it needs to, not before and tear the paper, or to late and not draw.

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    3. Re:Sharpie would give more detail by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      Hmm, right. Damn. Didn’t think about that. But you can actually not only click but do this:

      1. Move the pencil very close to a surface.
      2. Press and hold the little button.
      3. The lead falls out until it touches the surface.
      4. Move the pencil to the proper distance from the surface, so that the wanted length stands out.
      5. Release the little button.
      6. Raise the pencil and continue.

      If done right, you don’t even need to move the pencil away from the paper but can do it in the process.

      Also, to make the pencil always touch the paper, let it stand on its own weight, with maybe additional weight on it. Only held so it isn’t loose and can’t fall. Then when the pencil has lowered to a certain height, where nearly no lead stands out anymore, the above process starts.

      I’d put the pencil in a cage, and have only free wheels and one servo-driven wheel touch it. Now add a sensor to one wheel, so that the height above the paper is known. And allow all wheels to be set into a free non-blocking mode for normal writing state.

      Hey, that sounds doable! Where do you live? I want to come over and make it work! :)

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    4. Re:Sharpie would give more detail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What would be cooler is if it carved out a big rubber pad with a dremel to make an ink stamp.. then it would vector output.

  9. Better than Anything HP Puts Out by hardburn · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I bet this is more reliable than any printer HP ever put out. I'm certain the cost of ink is cheaper.

    Love all the little minifigs scattered around the machine.

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    1. Re:Better than Anything HP Puts Out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Somewhere, there are LaserJet IIs still printing.

      Not all HP printers are consumer grade junk.

    2. Re:Better than Anything HP Puts Out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clearly someone who never had an LJ II series of any stripe.

    3. Re:Better than Anything HP Puts Out by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      Cheaper, Better, Faster. Pick two!

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    4. Re:Better than Anything HP Puts Out by kalpol · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm still using my 20-year-old LaserJet IIIsi.

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    5. Re:Better than Anything HP Puts Out by Pharmboy · · Score: 1

      We have a LJIII and a consumer grade Epson dot matrix printer (circa 1990) that we used for address labels for most of two decades. The only reason we don't use them is that our newer printers are much cheaper to operate. Both still work just fine.

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    6. Re:Better than Anything HP Puts Out by skids · · Score: 1

      To me "consumer grade junk" == "spare parts found in trash."

      More Epsons than HPs found there, from experience. Unfortunate, because I don't know how to break into those yet,

    7. Re:Better than Anything HP Puts Out by element-o.p. · · Score: 1

      I've got a '98ish consumer-grade HP-660C that still works. Not all consumer-grade HP printers are junk.

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    8. Re:Better than Anything HP Puts Out by Nikker · · Score: 1

      Can't argue with that. Bought a laserjet 6l last year for $50CDN with a full toner still haven't put a dime into it. Best printer purchase I've ever made.

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    9. Re:Better than Anything HP Puts Out by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      The reason the LaserJet II is still working is that the guts were built by Canon. There are plenty of LaserWriter printers that still work, too. It was a good engine.

      To be fair, HP's bigger laser printers are pretty solid (e.g. the 81xx series) unless you actually need them to conform to their specs. Then they fail miserably.

      For example, we have two 81xx series printers where I work. I tried to use them to print 11x17 pages double-sided. Shouldn't be a problem, right? Wrong. The printers are so brain damaged that they feed the pages too close together. Thus, if you send multiple pages at once, you never get a single page out of the printer before it is jammed (at a total loss of all pages in flight). You have to send every 11x17 double-sided page individually (e.g. print pages 1-2, wait, print pages 3-4, wait, etc.). If you do that, it works and never jams, but that's pretty painful when you have to print... say a hundred pages in this fashion. I mean seriously, how hard is it to not start one page until the previous page is clear? Both our 8100 and our 8150 do exactly the same thing (with up-to-date firmware in both). Apparently testing is optional at HP.

      Oh, and did I mention that it takes three minutes for the d**n things to warm up from powersave mode? Sure, it's great that they can crank out 32 pages per minute, but until you hit 32 pages, my 8ppm low-end Brother consumer printer is faster (startup time measured in low double-digit seconds). The vast majority of the time, I wish I had my personal printer from home instead of these beasts.

      And don't get me started on their dithering/halftoning algorithm. I've never once seen any HP printer reproduce any photographic content (even in black-and-white) without objectionable banding problems. That includes both laser and inkjet printers. The print quality on gradients is absolutely awful from what I've seen. It's even noticeable in the sample printouts that you get from their printers in stores. To say that I'm unimpressed would be generous. Don't get me wrong, they're by no means the worst out there---I still swear more at Epson, Lexmark, and a couple of others---but HP is way up on my list.

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    10. Re:Better than Anything HP Puts Out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, but nearly everything they've made since the Carly era has been absolute crap. I've replaced so many failed printers that were just outside of the warranty period including some that were purchased because they were supposed to handle high volume printing. Old HPs were great. I have clients still using LaserJet 2s and 3s. Recent printers are terrible.

    11. Re:Better than Anything HP Puts Out by SydShamino · · Score: 1

      4M Plus for the win! Awesome printer. With a JetDirect card all these printers integrate easily into a modern network. (Just put the printer near the wireless router and use one of the hard wire ports.)

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    12. Re:Better than Anything HP Puts Out by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      Somewhere, there are LaserJet IIs still printing.

      Not all HP printers are consumer grade junk.

      IIs was probably a business printer. If Best Buy sells a printer in their stores, you probably shouldn't buy it. When it comes down to it, if cost is a major factor, you really need to be careful. If you really need a printer, you are often better served with a more expensive unit. A cheap printer is likely to have more corners cut than one that's a step or two up the scale.

      I do have a 10 year old HP business LaserJet that still works, I bought it from my sister's employer. I don't use it much now because it is a little slow. I have since bought a newer LaserJet 2055dn, so far I've printed 8000 pages without problems or excessive per-page costs.

    13. Re:Better than Anything HP Puts Out by karcirate · · Score: 1

      +1 on the 4 Plus. Had one since the early 90's, my dad just got rid of it cuz the carts got too expensive. I yelled at him.

    14. Re:Better than Anything HP Puts Out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've got four fully working LaserJet 4M+ (well, 2 real 4M+ and two 4+ upgraded with more ram and a PostScript SIMM). I learned that these machines were tanks when I worked in the pre-press industry, many moons ago.

      I left one in a garage for several years, forgot about it. When I found it back I decided to give it a try: was still fully functional and worked on the first try.

      Lower cost per page for a B&W laser printer ever. The only downside is that they're only 600 DPI.

      These were indeed good machines. Semi-pro or pro stuff. Not the consumer-sh!t you can buy today and throw away tomorrow.

      Besides that, they've got network cards and I got an erection everytime I do a "cat something.ps | nc 192.168.0.37 9100" (I know, you nerd, I can type it another way... But you *do* realize I just netcat'ed PostScript to a native PostScript right nerd?) :)

  10. This is so beautiful by walmass · · Score: 1

    ... I wanted to cry

    1. Re:This is so beautiful by kramulous · · Score: 1

      I couldn't find the empathy mod ... so ...

      [pats on back]

      It even had little lego men and women working.

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  11. OMG! by ahem · · Score: 0

    P0N!3s!!!

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  12. Creativity at its finest by adeft · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The little guys riding on it just top it off perfectly. I'm reminded of the rickety dumb erector set models I made as a kid with an instruction manual. :(

    1. Re:Creativity at its finest by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 4, Funny

      The little guys riding on it just top it off perfectly.

      Wonderful. Like angels on an illustrated manuscript.

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  13. Next steps by wickerprints · · Score: 4, Interesting

    1. Multiple colors via a pen carousel and switching mechanism.
    2. Support for plotting in addition to line-by-line output.
    3. Halftone dithering.

    1. Re:Next steps by stms · · Score: 0

      Commercial adoption should be the next step think of all the money they could save on printer ink.

    2. Re:Next steps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure ... then vector displays, then raster displays .. oh, wait ...

    3. Re:Next steps by keeboo · · Score: 1

      Here, a lego plotter for you.

    4. Re:Next steps by Nyh · · Score: 1

      Ah, that was already done: a three color Lego plotter:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gue6GQ00Vi4&feature=fvw
      The video is from March 2007.

      Anyway it always nice to see people building less than trivial projects from Lego.

      Nyh!

  14. No by MrEricSir · · Score: 4, Funny

    If it ain't broke, DON'T fix it.

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    1. Re:No by tattood · · Score: 5, Funny

      I don't get it.

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    2. Re:No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I tried to find your sig so I could reply to it, but it appears that you don’t have one.

    3. Re:No by gangien · · Score: 1

      that's fine advice for something important you rely upon. but for a hobby project, fuck that. if it ain't broke it ain't fun :P

    4. Re:No by RobVB · · Score: 1

      Apparently, there IS a +1 for "I don't get it." Well played, sir.

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  15. Technically... by NonUniqueNickname · · Score: 1, Informative

    It's a plotter not a printer.

    1. Re:Technically... by mea37 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Plotters draw vectors. Based on the demo this is pretty clearly raster-based. Don't let the way it holds the ink fool you; it's a printer.

    2. Re:Technically... by NonUniqueNickname · · Score: 1

      Plotters draw vectors.

      Which definition of "vectors" excludes straight lines? The gadget converts a raster image to drawing instructions; then executes the instructions with a pen. It's a plotter.

    3. Re:Technically... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then every printer is a plotter. By plotting arbitrary short lines, i.e. dots.

      edit: and of course the capcha was 'childish' :-)

    4. Re:Technically... by clone53421 · · Score: 2, Informative

      It’s a raster-based printer, which plots (yes) dots. Devices which print by plotting dots are simply called “printers”.

      Vs. a line plotter, which is what you are typically referring to when you say “plotter”: some of which are designed exactly like this, with carriages to move the paper and pen. Rather than plotting dots, though, they draw solid lines by moving the pen and/or the paper in solid, continuous movements (only lifting the pen when necessary to break the line and begin a new line somewhere else).

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    5. Re:Technically... by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Actually the gadget doesn't draw dots, but horizontal lines. Basically it only rasterizes in one dimension (although I guess it actually "unrasterizes" a 2D raster).

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    6. Re:Technically... by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      This takes me back; in the early eighties I had a Radio Shack MC-10 computer, and poking around (and buying a repair manual) I discovered that it had a far higher resolution video driver than was sopperted by its OS. I also had a small plotter for it.

      So I wrote a graphics program that would show the pic on the TV, and wrote a printer program for the plotter that would print out the pictures. I thought it was pretty cool, since IBM didn't even have a PC capable of that.

      I was a lot smarter back then...

    7. Re:Technically... by Urkki · · Score: 1

      Plotters draw vectors.

      Which definition of "vectors" excludes straight lines? The gadget converts a raster image to drawing instructions; then executes the instructions with a pen. It's a plotter.

      This Lego printer compares to a real plotter, as a regular CRT-TV compares to a vector-based CRT. Yes, both draw lines, yet CRT-TV isn't a vector display.

      Or to put it another way, definition of vector (in the plotter context) doesn't exclude straight lines, but it does include lines in any direction. I'm pretty sure this Lego printer can't do that...

    8. Re:Technically... by Dynedain · · Score: 1

      Actually, it's converting the rasterized image back into 1d vector lines. Notice how it doesn't lift the pen between two contiguous "dots". That line makes it vector.

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    9. Re:Technically... by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      Still, a true plotter can draw lines in any direction. This can only draw horizontal lines.

      At first I thought it was drawing dots too quickly to see the movement, but I think it actually did draw solid lines for the “HELLO WORLD”... but OTOH there was definitely some jerkiness when it was drawing the horse, almost like it was half-toning it slightly.

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    10. Re:Technically... by TheSpoom · · Score: 1

      Sure, if you count a vector image as a series of thick parallel lines. If that's the case, all printers are vector printers, unless they raise the cartridge between pixels, which would be silly.

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    11. Re:Technically... by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      Which definition of "vectors" excludes straight lines? The gadget converts a raster image to drawing instructions; then executes the instructions with a pen. It's a plotter.

      Nitpicky will-never-agree arguments about what this Lego printer/plotter is aside, I converted my Atari 1020 plotter into a "raster" printer by having it draw horizontal lines of varying length to represent runs of dots on each row, not unlike this one. It was *incredibly* slow though.

      Not as cool as the Lego printer either.

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    12. Re:Technically... by Dynedain · · Score: 1

      If that's the case, all printers are vector printers, unless they raise the cartridge between pixels, which would be silly.

      But that's not the case. Dot matrix, laser, inkjet, and phasers all lay down dots or pulses of their print medium, not lines. In a plotter, drawing is controlled specifically by movement along with "pen up/pen down" instructions.

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    13. Re:Technically... by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

      raster-based

      Ya mon, that printah be showin' off dem good Lego juju!

    14. Re:Technically... by mea37 · · Score: 1

      Ok, by that logic: what definition of vector excludes drawing dots? My 1980's vintage dot matrix printer can draw dots, and dots are included in the set of things that are vectors, therefore my dot matrix printer must be a plotter, right? Wrong.

      This particular printer uses horizontal lines to implement the drawing of adjacent pixels. It is nonetheless raster based.

    15. Re:Technically... by shentino · · Score: 1

      No, it's a 1 pin dot matrix printer.

    16. Re:Technically... by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Still, a true plotter can draw lines in any direction. This can only draw horizontal lines.

      And a true printer only draws dots. This draws horizontal lines.

      However, I'm pretty sure the hardware would be able to draw vertical and diagonal lines as well (it can move the pen horizontally, and the paper vertically, and those mechanics are independent of each other). However, it probably can't draw lines in arbitrary directions (it's unlikely that it contains hardware to control the relative speed of the drawing head and the paper). Nevertheless, from the abilities of the hardware, it's more of a plotter than a printer. It's true that the driver obviously presents a printer interface, so from the software's view it's a printer. But then, you could write a driver for a full-ability pen plotter to do the same, so this doesn't change what the hardware is. Note that no matter what you put in the driver, for conventional printers you will never be able to produce anything but dots.

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    17. Re:Technically... by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      Note that no matter what you put in the driver, for conventional printers you will never be able to produce anything but dots.

      Not true. Conventional printers are also perfectly capable of drawing solid, smooth horizontal lines...

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    18. Re:Technically... by vegiVamp · · Score: 1

      The definition where you have 2 dimensions, whereas this printhead only moves in 1.

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  16. It's not a printer by Dynedain · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actually, it is a pen plotter, not a printer. It's a technology that was very common in architectural and engineering offices until it rapidly died off 10 years ago for inkjets.

    I love the Lego figures going along for a ride.

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    1. Re:It's not a printer by poopdeville · · Score: 5, Informative

      No, it's not a plotter. Plotters are able to move the substrate back and forth underneath the pen. Combined with the left and right motion, a plotter can make a line in any direction on the substrate. "Plotters are restricted to line art," as your wikipedia link says. This can't even do line art. It must rasterize ("pixelize") an image before it can be printed.

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    2. Re:It's not a printer by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yup. More like a 1-pin dot matrix printer. But oh-so-wonderful!

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    3. Re:It's not a printer by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      It’s designed in such a way, yeah, but it seems to me that it could have just as easily been designed to lower the pen and draw line art.

      However your average software probably expects you to rasterize the output when you print...

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    4. Re:It's not a printer by Kemanorel · · Score: 1

      Some plotters are able to move the substrate... Others merely had a stationary flatbed and had a dual-axis armature to generate lines in any direction. The flatbeds worked great for smaller sheets while the moving substrate models were more suited to larger sheets.

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    5. Re:It's not a printer by Urkki · · Score: 1

      It’s designed in such a way, yeah, but it seems to me that it could have just as easily been designed to lower the pen and draw line art.

      I don't think so. With Lego motors, I'm pretty sure it's effectively restricted to drawing straight lines in 8 directions. Lines drawn in any other direction would be very choppy, worse than produced by current raster printing method, so there's kind of no point in doing that.

    6. Re:It's not a printer by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 1

      lets look at it this way. if he re-wrote his driver a little, making it where it could move the paper both directions (with the hardware i saw, it should be do-able) it becomes a Plotter. I say that it is a printer, that relies heavily on plotter like technology. its the half step that no one ever took between plotters and inkjet. its a wer-plotter. its a halfbreed, an abomination, a torturous demon in your..... i sense i've gone to far. 'its an awesome lego thing that can make pictures onto paper'

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    7. Re:It's not a printer by The+Grim+Reefer2 · · Score: 1

      Yup. More like a 1-pin dot matrix printer. But oh-so-wonderful!

      Except that dot matrix printers still have some use today as they can be used with multiple copy (carbonless) forms. Obviously this printer will not work this way, but it's still cool.

  17. Nothing mind blowing here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I have built a similar device from a kit called "Merkur" more than 20 years ago.
    A video of merkur alfi in action.

    1. Re:Nothing mind blowing here by methano · · Score: 1

      Egads! that's annoying

  18. Cool but hardly genius. by Whatsisname · · Score: 1

    I give it more credit for artistic value with the figures placed around than for the technical difficulties.

    I built a plotter capable of those drawings for my 2nd year engineering class using a few stepper motors, a bunch of paint stirrer sticks, epoxy and an AVR microcontroller.

    1. Re:Cool but hardly genius. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I give it more credit for artistic value with the figures placed around than for the technical difficulties.

      I built a plotter capable of those drawings for my 2nd year engineering class using a few stepper motors, a bunch of paint stirrer sticks, epoxy and an AVR microcontroller.

      How many Lego blocks did you use?

    2. Re:Cool but hardly genius. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As many as he needed.

    3. Re:Cool but hardly genius. by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 1

      I give it more credit for artistic value with the figures placed around than for the technical difficulties.

      I built a plotter capable of those drawings for my 2nd year engineering class using a few stepper motors, a bunch of paint stirrer sticks, epoxy and an AVR microcontroller.

      Well bully for you!

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    4. Re:Cool but hardly genius. by SkunkPussy · · Score: 1

      well this one uses lego motors - i.e. non-stepper motors - and nonetheless achieves an impressive level of precision

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    5. Re:Cool but hardly genius. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Geek wanna-be MacGyver dick size contestants still don't get laid.

  19. Lego car factory by OzPeter · · Score: 1

    I much prefer the Lego Car factory way cooler IMHO than some paper and a coloured pen.

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  20. I just have to say by AlgorithMan · · Score: 1

    f*cking awesome!

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  21. Finally! by N0Man74 · · Score: 1

    We finally get some *real* "News for Nerds"!

    That's really awesome.

  22. Lego Lab by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 2, Funny

    During my PhD work, we built some lab gear, for example an overhead shaker, from Lego Mindstorm gear. Pure nerd fun. Had to hide the stuff when the prof showed the lab to guests, though...

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  23. Direct YouTube link by steveha · · Score: 4, Informative
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  24. Cool, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    If you've ever struggled to build anything more complex than a cube of Lego, this will blow your mind. It's a fully functioning Lego printer, complete with felt tip print head.

    On one hand, that's very cool.

    On the other hand, though (and on second thought), I just don't see the big deal - I don't see why I should get excited about this.

    Back when I was young, I had lots of LEGO, and I played with it every day. I used to build things I liked; space ships, space stations (yes, I was mostly into the Space sets - I basically grew up on Classic Space at first and Futuron later on, and I made it all the way to Blacktron I and II, Space Police and M-Tron), but also houses, cities, castles, and so on.

    I created worlds, I played with tme - in them, really -, and I had fun, tons of fun, a kind of fun that I've never really been able to recreate anymore since I've turned an adult.

    I don't want to diss LEGO printers, or the people who build them. But at the same time, I just can't get excited about them; they're a perfect example "adult toys". It's a neat application of LEGO, and it shows again what you can do with the stuff, but the magic that was (is) inherent in any child's creations, even my own, isn't there. Fact is, it's not even intended to be there.

    I'm sorry, I just can't get excited over this. When somebody creates a cool LEGO space ship or space station or so, though, be sure to post a Slashdot story about it. ;)

    1. Re:Cool, but... by Kemanorel · · Score: 1

      Completely offtopic, but the M-Tron sets completely rocked. As for the ability to just "play" and use your imagination, I suspect that if you gave yourself time and leave to go back to it, you'd be able to find the fun again and your life would be somewhat better for it. Just because you're an adult doesn't mean you have to stop playing. Imagination is always useful.

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    2. Re:Cool, but... by SkunkPussy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      i hate to say it but building a space station is nothing to boast about.millions of people (including me) made shite lego space stations as a child. on the other hand, desigining a lego printer, then designing a control mechanism to interface to a computer then designing your own printer driver has not been done by too many people.

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    3. Re:Cool, but... by socz · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A lot of my friends and family laugh at my crazy ideas of using legos as solutions to problems. About 6 months ago I was starting to work on a lego pyramid to house a computer. My GF being thoughtful as she is, ended up buying me the Antec Skeleton case! So no pyramid for me - yet!

      But I agree with you, the inherent joy of playing with legos is slowly lost UNLESS you maintain your creativity with them. I've used them for so many random things that people can't help but laugh and then say "yeah, that worked out great" because they're so flexible. Sure my collection is now less than a shoe box and some parts don't quite fit very well together anymore, but it's faster and easier sometimes that getting tools out and cutting materials to size.

      Until recently, legos has served as my projector's adjustable base. It not only held the projector on the front of a rack, but also propped it up in place. Now because of where it's used I just built a rig to hold it in place on a shelf (that secures itself). Since I was working with tools already it didn't take much to build it (just a little thinking and measuring). But believe me, if that wasn't the case, the legos would still be under that projector!

      Worth mentioning, I always recommend people to buy legos for kids. They're some of the best things one can have to help develop many skills and thinking processes. I always refer to legos being the basis of becoming and engineer.

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  26. A perfect match for... by Fjodor42 · · Score: 1
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  27. Not all plotters move the paper... by Ellis+D.+Tripp · · Score: 2, Informative

    Analog plotters were at one time common items in engineering labs, as well as chemistry labs where they served as output devices for chromatographs, spectrometers, etc. HP pretty much owned the market, and they moved an overhead pen over a stationary sheet of paper, which was held down to the bed by an electrostatic charge. A typical unit shown here:

    http://www.teknetelectronics.com/Search.asp?p_ID=12956&pDo=DETAIL

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    1. Re:Not all plotters move the paper... by clone53421 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Whether it moved the paper or the pen is relatively irrelevant. I think his main point was, plotters universally draw line art (moving the paper, or pen, in a fluid continuous movement along the path you are tracing)... vs. printers which rasterize their image (print dots of colour which merge together to form a complete image).

      Although this project rasterized the page (printing dots), it could have just as easily been designed to set the pen down and then do continuous line art... but you have much less software that’s capable of printing to a line art plotter as opposed to a regular raster image printer. That is most likely the reason for the dot-matrix print style that it used.

      This really isn’t that impressive. The main point that impresses me is that LEGO products are precision-built with such a quality as to be able to feed paper and move a pen to accurately position the dots and produce what looks like essentially a flawless page of print (albeit slightly low-res because of the relatively large size of the dots). We always knew that LEGO used top-quality materials with very, very small tolerances on the parts... this takes advantage of that and shows just how high their standards are.

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    2. Re:Not all plotters move the paper... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is most likely the reason for the dot-matrix print style that it used

      Plotters must be able to reach the same position on the paper repeatedly. I think you'd be disappointed by the precision of a Lego plotter. (Go ahead, prove me wrong. You know you want to...)

    3. Re:Not all plotters move the paper... by Dynedain · · Score: 1

      Although this project rasterized the page (printing dots), it could have just as easily been designed to set the pen down and then do continuous line art...

      Actually, the print driver is rasterizing an image (which is already the case for a bitmap anyways) and then this plotter (or the driver) is vectorizing it again into a series or horizontal lines. The pen doesn't lift and touch down for each dot (like a dot matrix would), two dots are continuously drawn together as a line. That makes it a vector plotter, only 1 dimensional in its drawing capabilities.

      I'm sure it wouldn't take the creator of the whole project very long to add the ability to shift the paper back and forth to get true two-dimensional plotting, but as you pointed out, the difficulty there is implementing a vector drawing instruction set. HPGL is notoriously difficult.

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    4. Re:Not all plotters move the paper... by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      By that logic an inkjet printer that sent a continuous stream of ink as the printhead moved (rather than series of measured pulses) would be a plotter.

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    5. Re:Not all plotters move the paper... by egcagrac0 · · Score: 2, Informative

      The main point that impresses me is that LEGO products are precision-built with such a quality

      If they weren't precision-built, they wouldn't line up when you snap the pieces together.

      Erector sets allowed slop, because of the hole-hardware clearance. That goes away in Lego.

    6. Re:Not all plotters move the paper... by SkunkPussy · · Score: 1

      i think the precison has a lot to do with his position sensors (the black and white spinning lego bricks you can see at the side)

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    7. Re:Not all plotters move the paper... by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      All of the cheaper LEGO clones aren’t made with the same materials, standards and tolerances... and they snap together. Kinda sorta. Using a cheaper plastic with more flex lets you set your tolerances a lot less strict, but they don’t snap together firmly and stay where you put them like LEGO products.

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    8. Re:Not all plotters move the paper... by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      Yes, but how well that translates to actual movement of the paper depends on how tightly and firmly all of the blocks are attached to each other and how well they retain their shape while it’s being used.

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    9. Re:Not all plotters move the paper... by egcagrac0 · · Score: 1

      ... and that's why Lego is the premium snap-together plastic brick toy, and Loc Blocs isn't.

    10. Re:Not all plotters move the paper... by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      Yes, and I’d guess that it’s also why Loc Blocks aren’t being used to build stuff like this.

      Like I said, the printer isn’t terribly impressive... the main thing that impressed me was what I already knew: LEGO products are quality stuff.

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  28. Make & program your own robots, William Clark by Mike+McTernan · · Score: 2, Informative

    There's a similar lego plotter in this book: http://www.clarkonline.org/william/mapyor/index.html

    The book describes using some large lego wheels to form a drum around which the paper was attached, and how to form a small electro magnet around a bolt through a technic lego plate to pull the pen towards the drum. The pen itself was suspended between two lego axles on a butterfly pin. The whole magnet head assembly could pinion left and right using an improvised lego rotary counter to measure progress with a similar block to rotate the drum.

    I had the Sinclair Spectrum version of the book as a child and an IO box of relays. I never made the printer, but made lots of other devices.

    There's some inside pictures of the book here: http://www.hexapodrobot.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=318

    A PDF of the book is here: http://www.worldofspectrum.org/infoseekid.cgi?id=2000479

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  29. That's cute, and what would be even cooler... by AthleteMusicianNerd · · Score: 1

    is if someone figures out a way to literally print out a lego(like my idealistic mindset first thought when reading the article) which could then of course lead to people printing out all of their manufactured goods.

  30. The LEGO work isn't the impressive part. by Urza9814 · · Score: 1

    The actual LEGO construction is _not_ the impressive part here. I built something quite similar 5+ years ago. Many people did. They gave instructions for how to build it in the LEGO Mindstorms Ultimate Builders Set. And there were a huge number of alternatives built as well, to be more accurate or to print on different paper or just built differently. The impressive part of this is all in software. Never seen anything like that before.

    1. Re:The LEGO work isn't the impressive part. by SkunkPussy · · Score: 1

      ye there are three significant projects here. the lego, the control circuit and the printer driver. Any one of those is a reasonable challenge but adam pulled off all 3.

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  31. Perpetual Motion with Legos by Pawnn · · Score: 1

    One time I made a perpetual motion machine car with Legos. Unfortunately, it rolled off a table and broke. :-(

    I never could get it right again, but I swear it happened!

  32. I want a lego tattoo printer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I want a lego tattoo printer

  33. Google's own Larry Page Did It First... by lobiusmoop · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I remember being awestruck seeing a picture of a Lego plotter machine many years ago. It turns out that it was build by Larry Page of Google fame.

    Here's a picture of it

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  34. This is Slashdot no? by matthiasvegh · · Score: 1

    Considering this is slashdot, who the hell struggles with Lego? Hell, I'm pretty sure a substantial ammount of users here use (or have used) Mindstorms extensively..

    1. Re:This is Slashdot no? by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 1

      Just because you're a nerd, doesn't mean you're able to build things with Legos very well. I loved my Legos as a kid, but I never was able to ascend beyond the level of "Hey look I built another square-shaped thing". Granted, I only had rectangular pieces, but I still was not (and am not) good with building stuff out of the lovable plastic blocks.

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    2. Re:This is Slashdot no? by SkunkPussy · · Score: 1

      how many people didn't bother with mindstorms and designed their own control circuit to interface to a computer and then went and wrote a printer driver?

      how many people on slashdot have built a printer driver? in fact, how many people have built a printer?

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  35. What I want to know is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How much is the ink?

    1. Re:What I want to know is by Miseph · · Score: 1

      How much is a Sharpie?

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  36. OMG by SnarfQuest · · Score: 1, Insightful

    OMG Ponies!

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  37. oldie but goodie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    (before the invention of youtube)

          http://lwn.net/2000/features/Comdex/legoplot.php3

  38. Genius Indeed! by dexomn · · Score: 2, Funny

    Office: "Hey whats the deal? Aren't you coming into work today?"

    You: "Yeah I'm running a little late, one of my printer guys broke a leg."

    Office: "What?"

    You: "The guys that pilot the lego airship I use to print documents... one of them broke a leg. In fact it snapped clean off and flew quite a ways."

    Office: "Maybe you should stay home today."

  39. Not genius - not new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seen Lego creations just like this before.
    Not genius - not even creative.

  40. Google's Founder's Lego Printer by eonlabs · · Score: 1

    Way back before this one, Google's founder built a Lego printer (line plotter) at the university of Michigan:
    http://www.google.com/corporate/execs.html#larry

    Enjoy

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  41. Plotter by P0ltergeist333 · · Score: 1

    Isn't that actually a Lego plotter?

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  42. I Blame Lego for decline in Mech Engineering by nukenerd · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Sorry to be a wet blanket, but the fact that a generation or two of kids have been brought up on Lego is partly responsible for a decline (in the West at least) in people interested in engineering as a career, and in a general lack of public understanding (and even revulsion) at engineering.

    Lego was introduced as a constructional toy for model brick buildings. It replaced stuff like Bayko and Betta-Builder. With Betta-Builder (I may have that name wrong) you glued little bricks together with water-soluble glue; Lego was its less-messy replacement.

    The dominant mechanical construction toy of the time was Meccano which had an awsome arrray of components (machine-cut brass gears for example), far more than it has had in recent years. Meccano was true miniature mechanical engineering; you construct Meccano on the same principles as a full size project. I am a professional engineer and have seen Meccano used to demonstate real-life mechanical and structural engineering concepts; eg I know that some of the buffers you see at railway termini were first modelled with Meccano. A plotter-printer would be well within its stride.

    But somehow Lego went from a masonry toy to ousting Meccano as the leading constructional toy of any kind, with the introduction of rather crude and weak plastic shafts and gears. A Lego mechanism is not however representative of how you would design a mechanism for production.

    Lego is however colourful, has no sharp edges, is not made of nasty steel, and above all you cannot see any nuts and bolts - supposedly the greatest design gaffe of the modern age - OMG.

    1. Re:I Blame Lego for decline in Mech Engineering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jeez man. It's just a toy. Don't you want to have a dig at them increasingly including multiple special pieces in the Technic sets instead of making as much as possible from general-purpose pieces, as the original ones were?

      And if you want to give your kid a choice at engineering over anything else for some reason, Meccano and Erector ARE still available.

      One of the problems is, however, they're somewhat more expensive, given the multiple chunky metal parts that need to be precision-machined, rather than the bits being made out of cheap, easily injection-moulded plastic. Which is generally strong enough, by the way; the number of lego pieces I've managed to wreck throughout my youth roughly matches (or is probably exceeded by) that of metal bolts, screws, nuts etc that have suffered the same fate on actual machinery in my adult life.

      Besides, they STILL don't give you an accurate picture. You can make an awful lot of models of things with Meccano, as I've seen, but it tends to be older, simpler stuff, unless it has a good deal of unseen adaption (same as Technic) for the more intricate, up-to-date components. And does it even include proper RSJ-type girders as well as regular metal plates? Does it give you the ability to form shaped panels out of sheet metal? Not to mention that a lot of modern engineering doesn't rely entirely on metal parts; there's plastic, composite, polycarbonate, glass, concrete both plain and reinforced, etc, and increasingly a good deal of electronics - microcontrollers, flat motors, encoders, etc - which is covered in miniature by things like Mindstorms.

      Really what you'd want is something that offers a combination of the two. But there's a limit to how close to reality you want an affordable, colourful learning toy for ages 7-14 to be. Don't dwell on it too much.

      I was one of those "brought up" on Technic. I loved it, recognised some of its limitations, but still did an awful lot with it, building the example models then extending and improving them and making entirely new mechanisms and structures down the line - and this was pre-mindstorms, in fact it only just reached into the era of electrically-powered pneumatic compressors, air lines and valves (Meccano have that, or the hydraulics it subs in for? Or shock absorbers and pistons? I don't know...). I'm very jealous of the guys who get to play with that. There was much more primitive sort-of-programmable "control centre", but that was it... and we couldn't afford it anyway.

      It may not be the ideal engineer type toy, but it still fired the imagination, gave me an insight to some of the basic principles that I still draw on, and if I'd actually KNOWN or been TOLD that it was even a modern-day career choice (or available as a degree at decent colleges), I'd have been in like a shot. Perhaps it's a bigger problem that there's little in the way of schooling that lets you try it out, other than rather poorly hacked together "design and technology" (or automobile repair...) lessons, before you reach the college stage? The closest I got to do anything of that regard at school was hacking together a wood mould for which to make a vacuum-formed piece of plastic, into which went a self-made blood-simple PCB (one switch, one battery connector, one LED, one buzzer, one pair of remote electrodes), and then an awful design module where we had to try and remodel the hairdryer - a device which, like the steam iron, or the hairbrush that accompanies it, reached its evolutionary peak some decades ago. The mechanical / actual critical engineering part was covered by a cutaway model of a 1970s car gearbox probably salvaged from a community college dumpster, on display in the technology block lobby, and a never-delivered promise of building a powered go-kart for the Shell Economy Challenge at some point. Dismal. No amount of awesome toys would have helped. And this was at a _GOOD_ school, not a bad or even average one.

  43. Re: Canon! by AshboryBass · · Score: 1
    > The reason the LaserJet II is still working is that the guts were built by Canon. There are plenty of LaserWriter printers that still work, too. It was a good engine.

    .

    I'm still using a 15+ year old DECLaser 5100 which has the same Canon EX engine as the LaserJet 4 had, and it's still going strong. Those Canon engines are durable.