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Urine Test For Autism
An anonymous reader writes "Defining and diagnosing autism has been a controversial process — but may be a little less so now. Children with autism have a different chemical fingerprint in their urine than non-autistic children, according to new research. The difference stems from a previously documented difference in gut bacteria found in autistic individuals. The possibility of a simple pee test matters because currently, children are assessed for autism through a lengthy testing process that explores a child's social interaction, communication, and imaginative skills. Being able to identify the condition earlier and at a lower cost could leave more time and money for treatment."
3 fluid ounces, definitely 3 fluid ounces.
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If you can correctly count the number of drops in a stream of urine, you are autistic.
Everyone else has aspergers.
There's quite a difference between geekery and a crippling condition such as this.
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We already have Ritalin (or alcohol) for that. Most of the really good engineers (of many stripes) I know are functionally autistic, ADD/ADDHD or high-functioning alcoholics.
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Geekiness and social skills are not mutually exclusive. In fact, engineers and other technical people who have a lack of social skills as adults tend to be the bottom of the food chain.
Companies value extroverted engineers far more than they do the dime-a-dozen geek with mild autism.
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They might value them but what companies need great engineers even with no social skills. Imagine a company filled with people exactly like Steve Jobs or Steve Ballmer, nothing would get done. On the other hand, a group of code monkeys would make great products that might not be what people want. Thats why in most tech companies there are few manager-type social-engineers like Jobs and Ballmer and many, many code monkeys. Because there are fewer of the manager-type social-engineers, they need to get better ones so they get paid more and more "valued".
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Hey, you're not doing too well in English.
So you want to just ignore the condition? Where do you draw the line there? Wanna not tell someone they're dying of lung cancer because you're afraid they're going to get depressed and act like a dying cancer patient?
Get real. People get stuck with all kinds of shitty things, it's their own choice to overcome their problems or not. You can't assume the lowest common denominator is normal and scapegoat labeling for peoples' inability to cope.
Autism isn't a label, it's a condition. The western mentality to diagnose and treat conditions is why humans' life expectancies have increased.
Stop regurgitating shit you hear from bad late night comics and ignorant rednecks.
Large part of being an engineer is an ability to interact with people effectively.
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"Autism" is hardly crippling without quantifiers given how broadly it's defined and diagnosed these days.
Maybe these kids just aren't eating what other kids are eating.
Sadly even my university access doesnt extend to the Journal of Proteome Research without me stumping up $30 for two days of access, so I can't check the statistics. They had a sample of 39 (35M + 4F) autistic children, their 28 siblings (14M+14F), and 34 age-matched controls (17F+17M). Don't know why they didnt age- and sex-match the controls.
Pretty small sample, and if you look for enough different proteins in urine you might well find something different.
NEEDS MOAR DATA! And an open access journal!
Clearly they simply test the urine to look for vaccines...
We all know about correlation and causation!
I can't see this being of any benefit in the long term. The problem is, even if they -have- autism or other defects, labeling them will do nothing to have them overcome it and will lead the majority of them to make excuses to why they aren't productive members of society.
I really don't understand the western mentality of labeling everyone to try to "help". Which is going to make people want to get ahead in life? Being told "hey you have -insert mental disability here-" or "hey, your not doing to great in -insert school subject here-". One has people making excuses and the other just has them either not focus on that and focus on what they are good at or try harder.
Autism is a physical, biological disorder. It is a disease, not a mood. It isn't like you'll suddenly stop being autistic because you forgot you had it.
Early diagnosis gives you more time for treatment, which will actually help people become more functional individuals.
Are you suggesting that we shouldn't perform mammograms or colonoscopy because you don't actually have any ill effects from the cancer until after you've been labelled?
By that logic, we should just stop running tests all-together, because we'd all be far healthier if we didn't have any labels.
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Of course this marker, if it is really associated with autism, might provide a quick and efficient way to test it.
I agree labeling people quicker will not be the best way to have them help themselves, but maybe the fact there is this marker also tells us autistic subjects are not just making excuses, but that they have a - at least - chemical reason to be less social?
(Take this with a grain of salt, I'm no genetics/chemistry/psychology expert.)
After all, it seems (just google immigrant children autism) that autism is correlated with, what would appear to be at first sight, initial conditions of social exclusion, to some degree.
And now this. Not necessarily contradictory, oh no. Most interesting possibility, actually - after all, people from various regions have different gut flora. Would be fascinating to realise that it influences our behaviour to such a degree...
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Geek and engineer are not synonymous.
I can't see this being of any benefit in the long term. The problem is, even if they -have- autism or other defects, labeling them will do nothing to have them overcome it and will lead the majority of them to make excuses to why they aren't productive members of society. I really don't understand the western mentality of labeling everyone to try to "help". Which is going to make people want to get ahead in life? Being told "hey you have -insert mental disability here-" or "hey, your not doing to great in -insert school subject here-". One has people making excuses and the other just has them either not focus on that and focus on what they are good at or try harder.
Are you serious? The sooner you get a diagnosis, the more therapy and assistance you can provide, which leads to greater success as the child gets older. Speech delays, learning disabilities...they don't have to be show stoppers. How much harder is it when parents struggle for years without knowing what's going on? How much harder is it for the kid when everyone just thinks s/he's dumb or lazy, not realizing there's an actual underlying condition? When you know what that condition is, you know how to approach it and offer help. It's not just a matter of applying a label and being done with it...it's understanding that the child has a neurological condition and finding ways to work with and around it.
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At the least, such tests can weed out people who in fact -don't have- autism.
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First, the earlier doctors can identify it, the more likely it is that scientists will be able to identify the very first expression of whatever gene causes it, and thus eventually prevent that change in others. They might even find that there's some underlying environmental cause that triggers said gene expression, in which case it could be eliminated entirely through early enough testing and treatment. Either way, identifying it early enough is key to being able to find the root cause.
Second, the earlier autism is identified in a kid, the more likely that behavioral therapy will produce a more functional adult.
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I can't see this being of any benefit in the long term.
One of the benefits is early detection and early treatment. Enlightened adults that see these kids unsuccessfully coping in mainstream classrooms realize that they don't need to "try harder".
Managers are people with a high level scope of the company, and may be engineers, but typically are not. Steve Jobs and Ballmer are first entrepreneurs and business people with vision and high level understanding of managing people, and then engineers.
A great engineer HAS social skills, they can communicate problems with management, work well in a team, they accept criticism and project changes without taking it personally, they make connections so that they can get things done.
A poor engineer might be able to make a few breakthroughs or calculations, but the real world isn't Hollywood where companies rely engineer supergenius nerd charicatures that prove their worth in the technical side.
There are great technical engineers and there are engineers with great social skills, and great technical engineers with social skills are far more needed than great technical engineers that do not fit well with the rest of the company. If they can fix the inability to grow socially, then companies get more of what they need.
not all autism is crippling. It can have a fairly broad spectrum, and the argument the OP seems to be trying to make is that quite a lot of the geeks and nerds in the world are a high functioning form of autism. I wouldn't guess as to percentage, but having worked in a disabilities service office at a university for 4 years, the sciences have a disproportionate share of the autism types, whereas the arts tend to cope better with ADHD types and so on.
Granted, a lot of this is self fulfilling. People with aspergers get into positions in universities and schools and build a nurturing environment for other people with aspergers. I live in ontario, and we are in the process of implementing new laws called the Accessibility for Ontarians with disabilities acts (AODA). At my particular institution the arts have been all over trying to get compliance, and be more accessible, whereas the science departments figure they've been accessible enough (and to a large degree are correct), and that the training is a waste of time. The implicit undercurrent is that the science departments already are accessible, because otherwise there wouldn't be any domestic scientists.
There is a lot to be said for treating even the mild cases though. Anger management is a major issue for a lot of people with autism, and they risk taking it out on subordinates in a fashion that to the rest of us is utterly irrational, equally a lack of social skills can limit their access to useful employment, and while they tend to need a different sort of office from the more socially amenable types, they can be remarkably productive, if they can get a job. It's also useful to know in advance the sorts of things you need to watch out for as a parent or in my case as a guy who fixed printers in an office full of students with some sorts of disability - people with autism will have odd movement behaviours which can be both distracting and disruptive, as well as have anger outburts if the printer doesn't work right away. In my experience they aren't good at personal responsibility either(you pushed the wrong button, it doesn't matter what you think the button should have done, that's not what it does, and getting mad at me over it doesn't teach you how to push the correct one next time type problems), but that is not part of any official diagnosis.
We already have Ritalin (or alcohol) for that. Most of the really good engineers (of many stripes) I know are functionally autistic, ADD/ADDHD or high-functioning alcoholics.
Just to clarify... Ritalin=stimulant. Alcohol=depressant. They don't do the same kinds of things.
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Asperger's? No problem.
Non-verbal autism? They aren't able to interact with the rest of the world.
Proper sanitation has done more to prolong lives than anything medicine has done.
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And tests such as the one if TFS might actually make the definition and diagnostic process more meaningful.
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You're an Aspie
The whole concept is a farce. The "research" upon which this test was based in fraudulent. Sad.
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Validation comes when they take a bunch of blind samples in another set of test subjects and, using this test, try to determine whether the subjects are autistic -- without knowing in advance. If, and only if, that kind of test turns up positive, will it even be worth further study.
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But for the higher-functioning autistic, they have the same result.
Just to clarify... Ritalin = medication by doctors. Alcohol = self-medication. Meanwhile, the effect of Ritalin on an overactive child is as a depressant, not a stimulant.
What I'm saying is that we're using more and more labels to enforce a kind of chemical conformity. It's easier to medicate an imaginative and unruly child than it is to channel that energy. I'll bet if Richard Feynman (as an example) were a third-grader today, they'd be medicating him.
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"Proper sanitation has done more to prolong lives than anything medicine has done."
Hmm...might be some money in a cross between a car wash and a hugbox.
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Good thing proper sanitation came about because of advances in medicine, then.
You clearly don't have or know anyone with an actual mental disorder. There is certainly harm done by false diagnosis/labeling, and some people certainly milk their diagnoses, but the majority of people with mental disorders find it somewhat of a relief when they discover that they have a condition that 1) is not their fault and 2) has treatment options.
Think of it this way - if you grew up, and throughout your elementary and even high school experience, you had skills and abilities that other people thought were bizarre, people always looked at you weird and you didn't know why, you had uncontrollable tics that other people just didn't, you were frustrated daily because you had a very difficult time controlling your own behaviors, and you constantly got in trouble because these behaviors were judged to be "bad."
Finding out "other people have this problem too, and here's what you can try to alleviate the symptoms" is important to help these people become "normal, productive members of society." Your assertion that diagnosis will "lead the majority of them to make excuses" is completely unfounded.
Sir, it's unfortunate, but you've just been diagnosed as having a anger complex. You can get your medication on the way out from the hospital. :)
Once you start despising the jerks, you become one.
Speaking of which, what if we found that many people who have been diagnosed with Asperger's turn out negative in this test?
Which just goes to show you how useless those little boxes are.
Sure, Ritalin is a stimulant, if you don't have ADHD. But if you do have ADHD, Ritalin acts more like a depressant. That's one of the differentiators between true ADHD and normal hyperactivity.
And yes, alcohol is technically a depressant, but unless you're living in a cave you know that alcohol can have effects that are very similar to those of stimulants.
First off, there are plenty of parents who do "treat" autism with shit like Lupron and chelation. It doesn't work, but it's still hell for the victims.
Secondly, a test gets us closer to a root cause and thus less credibility for the "vaccines cause autism" idiots like Andrew Wankfield and Jenny McCarthy -- who have managed to run vaccination rates down enough that measles and mumps are once again endemic in the UK and we're getting large outbreaks in the USA.
Finally, please understand that "geekishness" is at the very shallow end of the autistic spectrum -- at the other end, it's pretty much crippling.
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How is not drinking disease contaminated water not based on medical science?
Also, right now, ASD clumps together symptoms even though they may have different etiologies. Having a biological test for a trait correlated with autism may help tease out the degree to which different conditions result in the same symptoms. When children test negative, but still exhibit ASD, we know there is another pathway to the condition that may be better served through different treatment.
This could be HUGE.
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Maybe these kids just aren't eating what other kids are eating.
Exactly what I was thinking, it is well known that autistic persons tend to be notoriously picky about their diet. This is one of the main explanations for the findings of abnormal gut flora (and the contentious alternative that the casual link goes the other direction).
Which is not to say that the casual link between bacteria and autism necessarily only flows one way, it could be both. For instance, consider a hypothetical "basic autism" -> very picky eating -> abnormal gut flora -> additional problems that get lumped in with "autism symptoms". What I'm curious to know if anyone's tried a "Fecal Transplant" to normalize an autistic person's gut bacteria.
No? Even though a biomarker gets us closer to a root cause?
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Life expectancy has been going up at a pretty consistent rate in the United States since 1968.
For either medicine or sanitation to have made a substantial effect on life expectancy, we'd expect the timeline of advances in each to mirror advances in life expectancy (e.g. major medical breakthrough in 1973 matching a substantial increase in life expectancy in 1980). That clearly doesn't happen. Sanitation and medicine are both only a small piece of a much larger puzzle.
Oh no, it won't. Don't underestimate the power of a mentally ill parent. I _had_ a friend who's son had hearing problems. He could hear perfectly fine, but he had hearing problems and his life was going to be difficult, dammit!! He did become pretty good at sign language. Then, unfortunately he began to speak.
When the deafness fell through he was ADD. Then he had Aspergers syndrome. Now he's Autistic and in a "special" class. (Translation - stealing time that the instructor could be using on the actual Autistic kids.)
When the "next big thing" is discovered I'm sure the kid will have that as well.
So WHY do Children with autism have a difference in gut bacteria?
Seems rather more important than just some minor trait you can take advantage of in a pee test.
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I don't see how this can be an accurate test, unless the bacteria is what causes it?
Do one have any idea what came first? The bacteria or the condition?
Observing and being able to label people generates income, hence it's done.
Indeed, just in terms of determining who you're studying this could be huge. One of the reasons why psychologists have made so little difference is that it's almost impossible to definitively determine the actual illness. Autism, since it isn't mental illness is a bit easier in the sense that the criteria used are more specific and somewhat easier to use. Still not easy, as there is a reason for the ASD diagnosis coming into being, but things of this nature to clear things up greatly increase the utility of research being done.
Thank you for proving my point in your first sentence. I will ignore your second paragraph, because it has to be the dumbest conclusion I have read today.
But what are conditions and what are just humans being humans, with slightly different personalities and feelings?
The lung cancer you for sure do not want, but mentally people are different, diagnosed or otherwise.
Ok, so you get the diagnose. Then what? ..
And if it wasn't seen as a condition but just as "you" and people helping you with whatever was harder for you what would the difference be?
Without being able to diagnose a disease ('labelling' the person) there is simply no way to find a cure for it. Easy methods of diagnosis means more will be known about the disease. That can only help the current and future sufferers. If we adopted your strange views on medicine, in the early 1980s medicine should have stopped even bothering to diagnose people with AIDS, as there was nothing they could do about it. Brilliant logic.
That the trigger for the condition is related to gastro-intestinal problems, like the ones that mercury based preservatives in some of the vaccines causes.
Hmm, interesting...
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Sometimes it's to get insurance funding for treatment or services in the school districts. Sometimes an autism diagnosis will bring funding that the catch-all "Pervasive Developmental Delay - Not Otherwise Specified" (PDD-NOS) will not. This could also have something to do with autism being a disease of the rich. Poor people tend not to have the skill at pressuring providers in the health care system in order to get what they want.
You have no idea how many times I've seen kids with two lawyers as parents get schools to pay for outside individual therapy when kids with the same or worse diagnoses who don't have lawyers for parents get stuck in a setting that doesn't help them at all (i.e classroom with 10 to 20 similarly uncontrollable kids.)
This no my pee!
If you disagree with me on social issues, then it's pretty clear that you are a narrow-minded bigot.
If you took antibiotics, the first things you eat when it wears off, will rule your guts.
Imagine the poor child who now thinks it has autism, just because it ate a bad thing at a bad time.
Imagine the retarded parents and doctors, who will trust this test more, than they trust the actual facts. (If a doc says it, is must be true, right?
I smell a lot of false positives and negatives.
Any sufficiently advanced intelligence is indistinguishable from stupidity.
You need a car analogy.
People are worried that Doctors are going to turn into Monro Muffler. You ask them for an oil change, then they tell you that you also need rear coil springs replaced, an alignment, a new alternator and battery, two new cables for my parking brake and a new type of bolt in the front. They will not let you slip by without offering to fix something else regardless of the condition of the vehicle.
From what I have seen of doctors, their judgments can be just as capricious as the mechanics at Monro Muffler. I did not appreciate having my bone cancer misdiagnosed as bursitis until I was literally unable to walk. (For some reason it still strings when they say it is good they caught it early.) Then of course there are the the hypochondriacs who will search out a doctor who will diagnose them with the disease they think they have.
*I have a step brother who is autistic* This kind of test would have been very nice. He is not extremely high functioning, but I believe that is because never had the work done when he was younger. Though with the upbringing of my mother, I was never very sociable either as well as a late talker. I do believe environment can have a dramatic effect on the degree of autism. I get the jibblies whenever I go back to my mother's place.
Once you start despising the jerks, you become one.
I've know a lot of excellent engineers in my time. I can think of maybe one that was borderline Asperger's syndrome but none that could be classified as Autistic. Far too many people think "slightly odd and lacking in social skills" means autistic. Well, that might be someone who have some of the genetic markers for autism. They should probably think twice before marrying someone who is similarly odd. They might get an autistic child. And autistic people do not tend to be brilliant. A couple percent might be savants, but most are in the IQ range below 85 and have no special skills in math or engineers. But they do tend to remember all their letters at a younger age than normal children. And they memorize some words early, but don't really get the idea that letters make up words in a way that would allow them to see a new word and figure out what it is. They might 't','h','e' or they'll see 'the' but not both. In they same way they might be able to read the words, but not understand the sentence.
If you put a random autistic person at a desk they might start rocking back and forth, or they might trace the horizontal lines of the desk back and forth. They might grab the mouse and run it back and forth over the mouse pad while watching at extremely close range. They will not design something.
Almost all of those people on the net who claim to be autistic are really just odd and bad tempered. Autism is just an excuse for that. Also, because some people seem to think autistic people are geniuses it makes those odd and bad tempered people feel good about themselves.
You wouldn't think so, to listen to all the "special" people round here.
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Autistic kids don't eat like the other kids. The other kids are normal, the autistic one needs to get the same old special stuff or they will not eat anything and become malnourished. We have 1 in the family. I think the study would need to feed the controls the same stuff as the autistic kids their are pair up with; I'm also curious if gender pairing matters at this age.
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Consider that the test would benefit mostly toddlers or pre-school age children, who either don't manifest obvious symptoms of autism until later, or whose parents don't have the means or indication to have them evaluated until later (in some cases, as late as middle school), by which time the optimal window for intervention has passed.
If the test is specific enough, getting a confirmed diagnosis could enable the parents or school system to intervene with therapy designed to help their child recognize social cues, interact/negotiate socially with others, and deal with change/transitions. Even in high-functioning autistics (including Asperger's sufferers), these skills can go severely wanting, and if not addressed you may wind up with a child who is academically sound but who sits in the corner of the playground because they either aren't motivated by social norms or haven't the first idea (at an executive level) of how to connect their desire for social interaction with effective social interaction.
On the other hand, if the sensitivity of this test is only to the lowest-functioning forms of autism, than I worry that a lot of other children who could benefit from intervention will go undetected/unaided because "their pee is OK".
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You've never met a real autistic person, have you? It's only the very mildly autistic that become productive members of society. And most of those can only do a job that is extremely repetitive. For example, cutting pizzas would be a job that an mildly autistic person could do. And he would do it in exactly the same way every time. But don't introduce a new product that has a square or oval crust. That would be a major meltdown.
The moderately and severely autistic need parental or sibling care for life or they need to be institutionalized. There is no "productive member of society" option
If you meet someone with a productive job who claims to be autistic, they are probably lying.
Science has a hard time with situations involving multiple variables; well, its a complexity problem not just of the experiments themselves but also the humans trying to grasp this stuff. There are limits and its not binary, there is some sort of curve involved as far as the human abilities aspect; the complexity of testing is in the realm of combinatorics and statistics.
Mercury in vaccines may be harmless; however, we have higher levels of exposure from everywhere else so it just adds a little to what is there already. It may not be worth fussing over but it is something we have control over personally. We can't personally get the coal plants pumping it into our water supplies to stop so easily. Where I live we are now down to a few fish per month from any lakes in the state to keep the mercury levels down to a "healthy" level.
I think we have an increase in autistic children; its not a diagnostic trend like aspergers - if you've seen these kids, they existed before under other labels; no slipping by the cracks like ADD or Aspergers. So people are understandably looking for changes that could cause a rise in it; its difficult to find an easy connection; we didn't accept smoking and lung cancer for a century and that one is "easy."
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Wrong. Alcohol in moderate quantities is a stimulant, not a depressant. By selectively depressing certain brain functions (inhibitions) it allows other areas to act that would normally be suppressed. Thus the overall effect is a moderate stimulant.
At the same time, it increases dilation of the fine blood vessels, giving rise to the "flushed face", etc., as well as a higher heart rate.
And since one or two drinks a day is better for your heart than no drinks a day, being alive is certainly more stimulating than being dead.
The problem with an objective test is that it's going to take away a lot of people's excuse for their behavior.
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Which woud bolster the decision to remove Aspergers from the Autism Spectrum in the new DSV
Nope, you're wrong. Alcohol is a depressant. Just because you may "feel stimulated" because of the effect it is having on your brain does not mean that your body is actually treating it like a stimulant, it is just targeting your inhibitions so you "feel more stimulated". Anything that depresses areas of the brain is a depressant.
And yes, alcohol is technically a depressant, but unless you're living in a cave you know that alcohol can have effects that are very similar to those of stimulants.
Don't confuse stimulant with lack of inhibition.
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It isn't like you'll suddenly stop being autistic because you forgot you had it.
As someone with Asperger's, my experience has shown it to be much the opposite.
I have developed certain behaviours when it comes to dealing with people, but they still require me to be conscious of the situation. As soon as I stop doing so, I usually slip back into my old behaviours.
My guess as a non-expert is that the change in bacteria composition comes later.
Why? Because the brain play a big role in controlling/working with the immune system.
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not all autism is crippling. It can have a fairly broad spectrum
I'm skeptical when I hear things like that. Broad-spectrum conditions that are diagnosed through subjective tests (especially mental/social tests) leave a lot of room for misdiagnosis and over-diagnosis.
In the US, this is a particular problem because there is a financial incentive to both the individual and perhaps to the school if the diagnosis is autism. For instance, the thought process might be something like "well, we're not really sure, but if we don't say it's autism, then we don't get any money to treat it".
Also, it's far from clear that "mild cases" are really a problem at all.
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I don't see how this can be an accurate test, unless the bacteria is what causes it?
I fail to see the logic in this, if a person has an variance in their internal eco-system which causes a variance in their intestinal flora, how is that different from have a variance in the internal flora cause a variance in their internal eco-system? Most emerging research is pointing to ASD, Autism Spectrum Disorders, to being inherited with several genetic and epigentics markers, and possibly being exacerbated by environmental influences, such as maternal Vitamin D deficiencies during gestation and it's also highly plausible that ASD have some impairment in the heavy metal elimination mechanisms. The relationship between ASD and gastro-intestinal disturbances have long been recognised; even that quack Wakefield was a gastro-enterologist.
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Nice way to miss the physical effects I cited.
The heart speeds up. That is stimulation.
The heart slowing down would be a depressant.
The heart stopping would be depressing, but it won't last for long, you'll get over it :-)
that this can screen before scheduled vaccinations to make those anti-vax morons shut the hell up.
There's a few things that sound a bit odd to my untrained eye.
What do gut bacteria have to do with urine? Why wouldn't this be more related to diet, metabolism, liver function, or possibly even neurotransmitter levels?
They used NMR spectroscopy to compare the urine samples. They weren't able to identify any specific chemical differences. I guess my question would be, how much does the NMR spectroscopy of urine vary between individuals? If I eat a lot of cheeseburgers, and my buddy is a vegetarian, is there going to be a huge difference in our urine profiles when analyzed with NMR? If the variance is large, that implies you'd need a large sample size to account for the "profile" of groups. These group sizes were relatively small at around 30-40.
So does anyone with knowledge of NMR want to chime in and provide some opinions? I've only the barest knowledge about it, which essentially amounts to it produces a frequency spectrum from your sample, and you try to use software to perform the analysis of the complex signal you get back and hopefully identify some structure. Is it really useful in providing a "chemical fingerprint" in something as potentially complicated as urine?
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The thing is, autism symptoms are a gradient. Its a big slippery slope of "wait a sec, but this person is basically the same except slightly better in this area". Some people have it to the extreme to where they really should just be thrown to the wolves while others are able to control and manage the symptoms to where nobody would know the difference. After learning about the symptoms and thinking about the difficulties I had growing up, I'm pretty sure I fit into the autistic spectrum disorder definition. I think the big thing about autism is obsessiveness combined with other "hints". Do I have tantrum fits? Yes, although curently they almost never happen and I never let them happen around people now. Am I obsessive? Yes, I can do things for hours and not get bored, constantly rewarded by the progress I make with what I am doing. Do I have bad social skills? Yes, I'm on slashdot, of course I do! However, I make friends a lot easier now that I understand that people judge friendliness by if I make an effort to smile or not.
And you know what? I also have tend to have bad breath that originates in from my stomach. So we'll see if this urine test actually works and maybe I don't have to run through the big checklist of symptoms anymore.
If autism is a spectrum, then it indicates that there are a number of factors that determine "how autistic" someone is, and we don't know how many of those factors correlate to the test above. What if the test above only correlates to one of the unknown factors of autism? It could do more harm than good to label some kids as autistic, even if they had only one of those genes or environmental causes, or another kid as not autistic because he has all of the factors that would put him firmly in the non-verbal camp, but the one that is tested for?
You have to be really, really careful with correlations like this.
If the condition does have benefits, then is treatment the right approach? The typical goal of treatment is to "reduce you to normal," presumably so you don't bother other people. But from the society point of view, that's very counterproductive. Society at large will benefit from more geniuses.It would probably benefit even more if we learned to accomodate them!
Ref Urinary Metabolic Phenotyping Differentiates Children with Autism from Their Unaffected Siblings and Age-Matched Controls Ivan K. S. Yap, Manya Angley, Kirill A. Veselkov, Elaine Holmes, John C. Lindon and Jeremy K. Nicholson J. Proteome Res., 2010, 9 (6), pp 2996-3004 Publication Date (Web): March 25, 2010 (Article) DOI: 10.1021/pr901188e this article is behind a paywall, but if you have access to Amer Chem Soc, you can go to figure one of the paper, and you will see that the signal to noise is pretty low (remember,when doing statistics on this sort o data, you have a lot of variables - they are looking at hundreds , if not thousands of different chemcicals, so the possibility that soem are elevated is high) like most gee whiz biology stuff on /., this is a very, very, very prelimminary study - something like 80% + of studies like this don't get replicated in larger groups
i 'll have you know that those repetitive motions you were talking about are critically important in many thought processes that usually lead to the next physics theory, or a new method of data storage.
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Because government funded information belongs to the people (sorry, I'm too lazy to format it): Introduction Autism spectrum disorders (ASD) represent a series of related highly complex socio-psychological and neurodevelopmental problems with associated metabolic and gastrointestinal abnormalities of poorly defined etiology. ASD typically develop during the first 3 years of life and are characterized by a myriad of deficits in language/communication skills, social detachment as well as repetitive and stereotypic behaviors.(1, 2) The etiopathology of ASD is multifactorial and has been linked to genetic abnormalities(3, 4) and inborn errors of metabolism but there are many postulated, largely ill-defined, triggers including infectious agents and environmental toxins.(5) Autism has been shown to have strong associations with various metabolic abnormalities, immunological function and gastrointestinal disturbances, although their mechanistic significance is unknown.(5-8) In addition to the panel of neurodevelopmental problems associated with ASD, a range of gastrointestinal disorders have been reported, and recent studies have found that the condition is associated with abnormal gut microbiota.(9) There is also the possibility of previously unrecognized etiologic connections between microbiome disorder and childhood developmental problems, given the importance of the microbiome in mammalian metabolism, for example, bile acid metabolism.(10) Individuals with ASD are commonly exposed to repeated courses of multiple antibiotic therapies and this may contribute to the complex relationships between gastrointestinal dysbiosis and ASD by altering the composition or stability of their microbiota.(11-13) Abnormal sulfur metabolism has also been shown to typify individuals with ASD.(14) Waring et al. showed that individuals with autism have lower levels of plasma sulfate but considerably elevated levels of urinary sulfate, as compared to non-autistic individuals. These data suggest that autistic individuals may have impaired detoxification potential involving sulfation, as evidenced by their inability to sulfate the widely used drug acetaminophen.(14) The prevalence of autism has increased from 4 in 10000 children before 1980(2, 15) to 99 in 10000 in 2009 in the United Kingdom(15) and 53 in 10000 in 2006 in the United States(16) alone, but this varies regionally and with ethnicity, and also some geographically localized areas have much higher incidences of ASD.(17) However, it is not clear whether the global increase is due to higher prevalence of the disorder, and/or improved early detection/diagnosis. Current diagnosis of ASD is subjective and depends on observations of a cluster of behaviors and fulfillment of multiple criteria set out in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders fourth edition (DSM-IV-TR)(18) by a trained clinician. At present, there are no reliable biochemical- or genetic-screening tests for the disorder, and in some cases, particularly in late onset autism, childhood development can switch from being normal to showing a delay in acquisition of new skills, thus adding to the difficulty for diagnosing ASD. Thus, there is a pressing need for new diagnostic tools for ASD that are both sensitive and reliable, since early diagnosis can lead to timely interventions and optimized clinical management. Metabonomic approaches offer the possibility of measuring metabolic end points (metabolic profiles) that are determined by genetic and environmental factors.(19, 20) The application of high throughput metabolic profiling methods using high resolution analytical platforms (nuclear magnetic resonance (NMR) spectroscopy and/or mass spectrometry (MS)) with subsequent multivariate statistical analyses now provides a well-established strategy for differential metabolic pathway profiling and disease diagnosis.(10, 20-22) Here we apply a metabolic profiling approach to capture the global biochemical signature of autistic individuals using NMR spectroscopy with multivariate statistical modeling to characterize indiv
if the kind drink the goblet, you there have a retard !
Thank You, Casings. From both my wife and I, and all the parents of autistic children I know.
Our son is moderately autistic. We're lucky. He can dress himself, take himself to the bathroom, make himself understood on simple issues. He can, within limits, understand and receive affection. He can, within limits, communicate. When other children are beginning to think about high school, we're glad ours can tell us what he wants for dinner.
We're the lucky ones in the group. We know a lot of parents with children who will require round-the-clock lifetime care. Parents who look at us with aching jealousy and envy, even as they're ashamed of it.
When the public's perception of autism was Dustin Hoffman, people used to cut us a little slack and room. It was the one mercy we found in all of this.
Then Michael Savage and Rush Limbaugh started in with their "Just beat the Autism out of them" campaign. The jackasses came crawling out of the woodwork, pitchforks in hand. Rush gave them the necessary cover and bottled courage they needed to begin their hoots and screeching. For their parts in increasing the suffering of mine and the families I know, the Devil is shoveling a little more coal into the furnace for Michael and Rush.
Thanks you, Casings. People like you make our lives just a tiny bit easier.
if I fertilize them with autistic pee?
Just because diagnosis is uncertain, or gamed for advantage, doesn't mean there isn't a real condition. The brain is supposed to come with a large collection of (metaphorical) firmware that lets you cope reasonably with the vast wealth of sense data we're bombarded with. Some very powerful processing goes on at a completely subconscious level. There are quite a few people who seem to be missing some of these abilities we all take for granted, but can (as a result?) make more use of their brain for more abstract problems.
If someone's missing the "firmware" for facial recognition that's a real disability for social interaction, and one that can only somewhat be backfilled by conscious effort. If someone's missing the firmware that makes vision useful, the sunconscious breaking down of raw data into "objects" positioned in a 3D mental model, that's a severe disability, as you can only do so much consciously - maybe cross a room safely with a lot of mental effort, but crossing a street?
There's a lot of strictly social-interaction stuff like this as well - attachment of emotional responses to images, sounds, and scents, that is also very subconscious, and a lot harder to diagnose or even specify, but much more "real" than someone trying to excuse ordinary asshole behavior by calling himself an Aspie.
So, there's 1001 symptoms informally collected as "autism", which doesn't help much. The research in TFA is terrific, as it means some subset of these symptoms can be studied as a condition with presumably a biological cause that might eventually be cured. It also means a lot of unrelated stuff won't be lumped together just because the symptoms are similar.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
Actually, Autism is a label.
The condition is the set of symptoms that any individual happens to have.
The problem is that there's an insane range in how any individual will be affected. There's a lot of mental baggage associated with the Autism label. I should know - I've got it.
My son has autism... it is not a behavioural problem or something he will 'out-grow'. He is on a gluten free/casein free diet and is taking a de-yeasting concoction as well as maxi probiotics in order to help get his 'flora' correct.
The BEST thing we ever did was get him on the gfcf diet: he used to love kraft dinner... he used to love it and eat it over and over by regurgitating it and chewing it over again until his breath smelled like bile, his clothes smelled like bile, he smelled like bile. His behaviour was OFF THE WALL.
Now, he can sit and do work, be 'fairly' socially acceptable, and is nice to be around.
The diet/flora can have big impacts for autistic people.
If you want to make jokes, come live with my wife and i for a month and see what autism can be like:
1. get up at 4:30 - 5 a.m.
1. get up at 4:30 - 5 a.m.
1. get up at 4:30 - 5 a.m.
1. get up at 4:30 - 5 a.m.
2. put up with tantrums from a big 10 year old because he sees a building that looks like a public swim arena (but isn't)
3. put up with watching disney movies over and over and over and over and over and over because of an obsession
4. try not to join the divorce/autism statistics
5. tantrums over the smallest (unknown) reasons
6. be glad you missed the bile smelling boy, who flung bits of kraft dinner all over the house
7. i can go on if you'd like
9. unlearn how to count because your brain is fried
10. have almost nil for a personal life
11. i can go on if you'd like
so the next time you want to complain about the woman / man who says their child is autistic/has autism, SHUT THE F. UP.
Living with autism and hasn't put a gun to his head yet: the forced smile guy.
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a test gets us closer to a root cause and thus less credibility for the "vaccines cause autism" idiots
So here we have different gut bacteria, probably caused by and/or the cause of some difference in the way the gut lining works. It's already well known that gut lining disturbances can be autoimmune disease, and it's well known that vaccines can cause autoimmune disease.
Thus, credibility is not lessened. On the contrary, this may end up being a proven link.
Not that I'm saying there definitely is a link at all, but one has to be suspicious over the refusal to do the obvious double-blind study. (and before you say that the link-believers should fund a study, I'll point out that it's not in the typical family budget)
As someone with bipolar disorder all I can say to you is "fuck you".
Diagnosis and treatment has allowed me to become a fully-functioning member of society rather than a burden on society and everyone around me. Absent medication and psychotherapy, I'm at the mercy of horrible mood swings and psychosis. My parents listened to a quack of a child psychologist who felt that diagnosing and "labelling" a 10-year old was more damaging than any disorder that might be present. The result of that was a slow decline into madness, and as an adult, I was too sick to seek treatment on my own, and not sick enough for involuntary commitment. I was finally diagnosed at 41 years old as a result of some circumstances that I don't care to share with someone like you. Do you have any idea what it's like to lose half your life to untreated mental illness?
Treatment probably saved my life - and there is no treatment without diagnosis and as you put it, "labelling". The suicide rates for persons with bipolar disorder are truly staggering - and those who don't take their own lives frequently have abbreviated lives due to irrational choices made as a result of the disorder.
"Trying harder" hardly factors into it when you're at the mercy of a very real and debilitating disorder.
Try a little empathy, fuckwit.
Yeah but it turns out that if you miss the cup entirely you might be retarded.
I would strongly suspect that this research has been grossly misrepresented. There are many disorders of development, socialisation, behaviour etc., and very few are conclusively diagnosed from a urine test. I'll reserve judgement until I can see the paper, but since the aetiology of ASD is unknown I would be totally amazed if a simple urine test could diagnose it. I would expect you're more likely to get a relative risk increase that could eventually be developed into a screening test (i.e. a negative test would fairly conclusively rule out, but a positive test would lead to further tests, not a definitive diagnosis).
Autism is multifactorial. As the the factors are independent, the urine test can't be a reliable indicator of all the factors. But it might help distinguish particular cases that may be more or less amenable to particular treatments than other cases.
Nope. It's a stimulant in lower quantities. It's a depressant in higher quantities.
And then one day a giant man informed me I was a wizard!
Autism isn't a label, it's a condition. The western mentality to diagnose and treat conditions is why humans' life expectancies have increased.
Stop regurgitating shit you hear from bad late night comics and ignorant rednecks.
I would definitely argue late night comics and ignorant rednecks are far more likely to be kind to those with Autism, Asperger's and variations thereof and to properly apply the talents where it can be utilized by society than those of you who claim it is a condition to be fixed. The worst feasible thing for anyone within this spectrum is to be shifted out of it by those of you attempting to find a norm. Speaking as someone who has Asperger's at least and has known rednecks, late night comics - and you liberal sacks of shit who preach PC-based ideas without knowing the first thing about it.
Have you known one Autistic child/adult? Have you actually watched them in a care environment and dealt with them one on one? You wrote like a definitive source yet you are experiencing what...? Fucking tech support. Shut the fuck up and quit talking like you know shit.You said "having worked in a disabilities service office" here you sound like you know what you are talking about like an admin maybe in enrollment. And you are really"a guy who fixed printers in an office full of students with some sorts of disability". It's some SORT of disability not sorts. Shut the fuck up loser, go fix a printer and keep your bullshit to yourself. You don't know shit so don't type like you are a doctor or even a autism worker. What an ass.
Yeah, what's the point in giving out labels like paraplegic? We should just tell them to quit being so lazy and stand up like the rest of us!
Neurological conditions do not all result from diseases.
It is preliminary research on a VERY small sample. Trawling through a complex chemical substance (the urine) with extremely sensitive analytical equipment and finding a few substances that appear to differentiate among the three groups (autistic children, siblings of autistic children, and non-autistic children) is easy.
The real test will come when they get samples of urine from children outside the test group and are asked to repeat the analysis and assign the children to the correct group. IF they can do that, they might be able to claim to have a test.
at what point do we bother to call/diagnose people as having Autism/Aspergers? - Clearly up for debate, and the pendulum tends to swing one way, and then back another way.
In the end, Diagnosing someone with autism/Aspergers only does someone good, if it allows treatment that can improve their lives. Helicopter parents wanting a "diagnosis" on their poorly performing kid in school will eventually stop trying to label their kid as having this.
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ok please show me any scientific body of evidence that supports that vaccines cause autoimmune diseases.
I don't think you'll find any reputable sources. A vaccine is merely supplying your immune system with an antigen to provide immunity in the future. By your logic, any immune response, from anyting, might cause autoimmune diseases. You sound like you like Jenny McCarthys idiotic rantings.
This article backs up my point of view.
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/111/3/653
Typically when people state "it is well known" about anything, it's that they have no citations for their point of view.
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The problem is that the so-called 'mild cases' of autism spectrum are treated as a problem - a huge problem - in schools.
Autism spectrum kids tend to float in the "social outcast" group, from my recollections and observations. They're the smart ones who have a hard time dealing with normal situations, so they make their own little worlds. They hang together. From what I've seen, the goth/punk/geek types tend to be one and the same, if not on an individual basis then as a group. But as groups (individual 'groups' as well as the whole), yes, they're the autistic ones.
I'm not talking about kids about ready to drop out of school: those seem to be an entirely different group of goth/punk/whatever. These are the "I'm because it's cool to be , and I'm cool enough to not be trendy" kids. Largely, I think they do it for the chicks.
Sure, it's cliquish bullshit, but these kids do stand out for reasons other than the way they dress: they're skeptical or critical of school authority, tend to obey rules only as far as they need to, do their school work only as much as needed to keep teachers off their back, and are typically already semi-experts in something interesting and technical by the time they're done with high school.
So, arguably, yes: they're a problem - for schools. They don't buy the party line, and do their own thing. For an institution which prides itself in one-thinking, this is kinda dangerous for the typical high school.
As a society, no: these people aren't a "problem". They're a huge asset. I'm not saying "embrace the geeks" - because I think that might actually degrade some of the skills autistic types develop as a result of their outside status - but they are an asset.
(My BIL, as well as several friends are high-functioning autistic spectrum types. Some of them quite obviously.)
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Caffeine also does the switch, and nicotine does some weird shit. I swear it's like my imagination is turned off when I smoke, I can technically focus, but I'm so unused to it that I just break down.
You know, if God gives you instructions to not feed him Noodles after midnight, did you follow those instructions in caring for your Gog or Magogwai? I have all this, and am thankful it gives me more energy. Processed foods and nervous-system agitators like vaccines will only throw you off.
If you want a more balanced child: Get a juicer and only let him drink a juice-mix of organic carrots and celery and apple and berries with a little spinach on the side. The body is more sensitive and the bad food quality is throwing it into these disorders. There is no disease, because it's the threshold of living that has been narrowed.
BTW, my hours are: 3am for an hour of aerobics, then go fishing and eat until 7am for more strength-building exercises, then go to work until 3pm, finish some house chores while eating and studying until 7pm when to sleep.
I hope so.
I think that is one of the most slippery diagnoses because I think it has real Gattaca abuse potential.
Isn't the other article whining about how Dem Tubernets makes ya dumb? Watch those folks pass the urine test, then call "one of them" to fix their "Internet is broken" problem.
I'd rather that constellation just get reclassed more like "Low Self Monitor" like one set of consultants I heard about in college described. Those same people are your Anti-Groupthink safety valve. If they don't get shouted down, you'll call them fools for 330 days of the year until they save you 330 million + 10ish lives when your Space Shuttle has broken O rings.
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Yea, because US military are the one's that endured all the beta-testing of those shots. Remember that it isn't called a vaccine over-night. There are plenty of expendable testers in Army to test this on, and if it damages them then they get sent to the front to die honorably before the symptoms put them in diapers..
Want to be sterile? Food allergies? Possible sudden death in 5%, but somehow that 5% happens 50% of the time in local populations but not in the reports of the rest of the country?
Butthurt drug-dealer fag wants to feel like his education is usable.
"Normal" kids piss in toilets; autistic kids piss in their pants or on the floor. Next.
Tobacco stalled more than just the 25+ years of pseudo debate; people were questioning it long before that but it didn't get anywhere until far later and then it had to be "debated" for decades.
We can't stop subsidizing coal or oil or even regulate the industries involved despite plenty of deaths and disasters before this one. YES I think somebody is pro-mercury and is active on it! Simply because we don't know does not mean it does not exist; hell, if they do their job well we don't hear for YEARS that they are funding misinformation.
I have PROOF: http://fishscam.com/ but I don't know the who or why behind it; its not being done for free by a nutcase.
I've been to lectures by scientists who were bashed down by industry before they ever got any traction; even having hecklers hired to smear them when speaking at public places! Mess with the wrong PR firm and things don't get off the ground. For example, raisins have pesticides INSIDE them and little is publicly known or done about it despite clear concrete proof (perhaps they are now fixing this before it gets real attention -now a decade later.) Just try to talk about how dumping sewage on farms is bad-- before all those e-coli outbreaks...actually, its still a problem! DDT was banned so then we imported the foods where it was legal...
The regulatory system is broken along with the health care "system" and the media sucks, I'm not inclined to believe much.
I only know that the vaccine thing was about having too much exposure too fast; the reasonable solution is to spread the things out over time to avoid such concerns. I've not heard of good backing for or against mercury and autism.
Well, current science has its limits and future science has more; until computers take over the thinking and even then there is a lot that can't be solved (BTW, some things can just be proven impossible to solve and others are impossible to prove impossible...)
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Soooo, in the good old medical tradition, if you feed autistic children the right gut bacteria to fix the symptom, the autism will be cured?
Excuse me, but please get off my Pennisetum Clandestinum, eh!
The current draft specification of the DSM-V doesn't remove Asperger's Syndrome from Autism Spectrum Disorder; it merges Asperger's Syndrome into the classification of Autistic Disorder.
Your comparing psychology, a field known to have an exceptionally high confirmation bias to proper medical fields where diagnosis can be proven by more than "he's acting funny". Your ignorant if you think that people treat each other equally after being labeled as a loon.
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>Which woud bolster the decision to remove Aspergers from the Autism Spectrum in the new DSV
It would mean that Asperger's is social, and Autism is biological.
But they still have similar symptoms.
Question: Joe Rock is a terrible major-league pitcher. Is it because he has short legs, or is it because he never went to baseball camp?
I would say "causation" can be pretty subjective. Important, but ultimately not an issue to his employer.
>Also, it's far from clear that "mild cases" are really a problem at all.
I think he addressed this when he said,
Anger management is a major issue for a lot of people with autism, and they risk taking it out on subordinates in a fashion that to the rest of us is utterly irrational
My two cents, "fitting in" is very important and ultimately not that hard. If you're still having problems with it, then maybe "mild" is not the word.
>If someone's missing the firmware that makes vision useful, the sunconscious breaking down of raw data into "objects" positioned in a 3D mental model, that's a severe disability
In grade school, drawing was a major activity for pretty much everyone. The best kids ("artists") were revered as godlike. They had a natural talent that could not be replicated with effort.
For me, it was a major wake-up call to realize the "artists" probably had autism. They were seeing 3D as 2D. They simply drew what they saw.
I'm still jealous of them, but not nearly as much. I have to wonder what they aren't doing with their lack of spatial perception.
Anyone got test results? There were many spatial tests in childhood, fwir.
That depends entirely on how you define "crippling". I'd much rather lose a leg than have autism.
I won't join Slashcott. OTOH, If Beta goes live, I just won't be back until it's fixed. Sorry Dice.
You mean SLC Punk was right? Mods and punks are allies?
It's not that hard. But I wonder who buys the scooters.
>Just to clarify... Ritalin=stimulant. Alcohol=depressant. They don't do the same kinds of things.
IN COR RECT.
They are different, but not as you would assume.
All "good" drugs are stimulants in some way. Alcohol stimulates something, otherwise it wouldn't be so popular.
I'm not going to hold your hand while you figure out why they're similar. Suffice to say, barely. But more than you think, apparently.
>Don't confuse stimulant with lack of inhibition.
Wrong. Rec-drugs are popular because they are stimulants.
You thought everyone at a bar wants to go to sleep?
Read up on dopamine versus seratonin. +100% dopamine is not the same as a depressant. I'm sure Michael J. Fox envys your dope-dealing ways.
Body vs. brain is the crucial aspect you guys are missing.
Alcohol is a brain stimulant (dopamine) while also being a whole-body anesthetic.
Never mix brain and body. Otherwise you will be wondering why cocaine (anesthetic) is an "upper".
Do my girlfriends golden showers count?
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Voting up, Voting down - If I really gave a fuck about your approval or not, I'd come and ask you.
Contaminated water is intelligently designed.
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They have 5 healthy unvaccinated children. Before having their first child 27 years ago, they had the opportunity to research childhood vaccines and made the decision to not vaccinate their children. She became actively involved in Michigan when a bill was introduced in Michigan, which threatened to remove the "Philosophical Exemption" to waive vaccines.
It would mean that Asperger's is social, and Autism is biological.
Well, no. It'd just mean they aren't the same disorder. Which is what people have suggesting for some time now.
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We might get some peace and quiet every time a story about 'tards get posted?
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
>Just to clarify... Ritalin=stimulant. Alcohol=depressant. They don't do the same kinds of things.
IN COR RECT.
They are different, but not as you would assume.
All "good" drugs are stimulants in some way. Alcohol stimulates something, otherwise it wouldn't be so popular.
I'm not going to hold your hand while you figure out why they're similar. Suffice to say, barely. But more than you think, apparently.
I'm astonished by the number of apparent lay opinions telling me how wrong I am. I don't know what you mean by "good". Does that mean "good for your body"? Does it mean "people enjoy it"? "Good" for society? Seriously, look up the definitions of the two words "stimulant" and "depressant".
And I never said anything about "popular". I know that at the mention of "drugs", some people are only capable of thinking of their recreational uses and their anecdotes.
I only post comments when someone on the internet is wrong.
Your comparing psychology, a field known to have an exceptionally high confirmation bias to proper medical fields where diagnosis can be proven by more than "he's acting funny".
Isn't that kind of the point of this test? Pee in a cup and we don't have to spend months documenting everything you do to determine if you're acting funny enough to be called autistic.
Your ignorant if you think that people treat each other equally after being labeled as a loon.
Yes, people are assholes, but it isn't limited to mental illness. All kinds of labels will get you treated differently...
"I'm gay"
"I'm a republican"
"I have aids"
Yes, some mental illness has a stigma attached to it. I am very well aware of that. But we aren't talking about hanging a sign around someone's neck. We're talking about their doctors performing a test to diagnose their condition, and then treating them appropriately.
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Ah, good old Munchausen by Proxy Syndrome.
You would be definitely surprised at how well non-verbal autistics of normal intelligence interacts with the world given a keypad and voice synthesizer.
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Wimp ass moderators marked the above post as flame because they cannot read in context and are fucking morons. Woa bitches!
Germ theory is medical science. We didn't magically understand that there was such a thing as "contaminated water"; we had to learn that.
Not really a depressant. more like... allows the subject to focus and not be irritable and distracted (and hyperactive).
We must not allow Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion, Communist infiltration, and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify our precious bodily fluids!
What are they putting in our water that makes our pee different?
Alcohol is a depressant. This is because it acts to increase GABA the chief inhibitory neurotransmitter. As the concentration of ethanol increases more and more subtypes of GABA are affected. This increasing inhibitory effect will lead to different degrees of inhibitory response in different parts of the brain.
So at first you have a relaxing euphoric effect, some more and you may not remember much until your nervous system is "very depressed" and you can't even walk.
When drugs are described as a stimulant or depressant the most clear cut way of seeing which is which is to see how it affects the nervous system.
The most dangerous drug