Noisebridge Attempts to Teach Science To Juggalos

Working on the assumption that the Insane Clown Posse's song Miracles was indeed a tribute to the wonder of nature and not the cleverest troll ever, some folks from the hackerspace Noisebridge decided to try and educate ICP fans. Surprisingly, most of the fans seemed to enjoy the science lesson, but representatives of the band didn't seem to think it was funny.

Comments

More Juggalo research is needed

[elrous0]

Someone should map out their career, using normal distribution. Here's a hint: = 1998.

Re:More Juggalo research is needed

[h4rr4r]

If you can't have both you are defective. If the explanation of a rainbow makes it less good then you are the problem, not the man explaining it.

Proverbs come to mind...

[Walter Wart]

Making a silk purse out of a sow's ear
Casting pearls before swine
Never wrassle with a hog. You get muddy and the hog enjoys it

But then I realize the comparisons are insulting to the pigs

Re:Proverbs come to mind...

[dAzED1]

funny that someone thought to down rate me, someone who has raised hogs and has seen many of them in the wild, as "overrated" - and then uprate you for just repeating the same thing someone else said.

"X!"

"No, X isn't actually true" - overrate -1

"X!" - insightful +4!

Hogs don't like being in mud in the first place. The only reason they are, is because they were *put there*. They are naturally a fairly clean animal; if well kept in a humane way, they'll always poop in one place, as far away from their food as they can. What 99.9999% of the population has seen, or heard described, is instead a nasty pen that the hog finds extremely depressing. They get into a cycle where they try to clean themselves off, but instead get dirtier. Sometimes, in a large open area, they'll do what elephants do - they'll cover themselves in a light layer of dirt/mud as a sort of natural sunscreen. They don't do this because they enjoy the process, they do it because they're in the sun and have no shade.

Now, go find a feral hog and instead you'll find a relatively clean animal (sans the snout itself) that looks nothing like his hog-farm kept brothers. And that's the point - hog farms are un-natural, and hogs are known to be extremely depressed at hog farms. To presume that you know what someone "enjoys" because of their behavior when they're at a cruel place they obviously don't want to be at, is silly.

Even sillier is presuming that hogs like it when their fleeing in terror at a rodeo during some sort of pig wrestling event. I suppose the bulls enjoy the rodeo too, and that's why they're so happy and pleased to give the rider such a fun time?

ICP

[IMightB]

Is a band for idiots, morons and the wilfully ignorant. I met Violent J at a Station promo back ~95/96 in the Toledo area. Just a complete dick. Their music is crap. Their fans are worse. They are the only band that would be known in an Idiocracy style world.

Ignorance.

[Xoltri]

How ignorant to you have to be to be proud of your ignorance?

Re:Ignorance.

[mujadaddy]

I don't know.

Tactical Mistake

[ianm.phil]

I think this group should skip trying to teach them science, it's a lost cause, and instead provide instruction on birth control and distribute free condoms. Only you can help control the Juggalo population!

Re:Tactical Mistake

[Red Flayer]

That won't help. It's not genetic and it's not a learned behavior. You're either born liking ICP or you're born disliking ICP

So if it's not genetic... and it's not learned... and you're born with ICP+ or ICP-...

You're saying that the ICP+/- trait is developed in utero due to either random chance or fetal environment?

Are you saying that children of drug users grow up to be fans of ICP?! If so, that's a pretty powerful disincentive for expectant mothers to do drugs... you may have hit upon a miracular sociological prevention tool... think of the countless lives you have improved and/or saved!

I'm sorry but no

[JoshuaZ]

The original song has the lyrics:

Fucking magnets, how do they work? And I don't wanna talk to a scientist Y'all motherfuckers lying, and getting me pissed

That's unambiguously anti-science. Any attempt to say they weren't being literal is simply stupid. Insane Clown Posse is stupid and supports willful ignorance. Pretending otherwise to try to get a small amount of science education done might help a tiny bit but at the end of the day, let's not kid ourselves about what this crap band stands for. The fact that when the band found out about this event they tried to actively prevent it shows what they really care about. These are the worst sort of ignorant fucktards possible, the sort of ignorant fucktards who not only take pride in their own ignorance but actively prevent other people from trying to educate. The fact that then had their security goons try to take away the camera is simply one more aspect of how absolutely despicable ICP is.

Re:Snarkified

[Lord Ender]

Just because we have the vocabulary to describe something does not mean we "understand" it.

Everything you wanted to know about Juggalos

[axl917]

but were afraid to ask can be found at ED; http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Juggalo

CD collection

[jollyreaper]

Someone asked me if I had ICP. I said only if it's cold out.

Re:Snarkified

[nametaken]

The noise over Miracles wasn't about internet trolls getting uppity just for fun (though it is fun). These guys didn't say, "hey these things are amazing" when they called them miracles. They suggested that these various natural things were no less than god's direct intervention in the physical world and implied that they couldn't be satisfactorily explained by science. Then they said they don't want to hear from any scientists about any of these subjects because, "[those] motherfuckers lyin'". Yeah, scientists of the world are part of a giant conspiracy to lie about where rainbows come from... fuckwits.

That's not simple awe for amazing things, that's straight-up mental retardation painted in makeup to match. Oh and I almost forgot... yes, they're some of the shittiest rappers in history.

But yes, this assumes it wasn't an intentional showboat of unbelievable stupidity on their part to get some attention for careers that went down the toilet over 10 years ago. If that's the case, then shame on them for misleading the young trash of America down the science-hater path so they can desperately try to make their next mortgage payment.

Do you know how magnets work ?

[bugs2squash]

I mean I gather it has something to do with quantum spin and relativity and symmetry breaking and virtual gauge boson force-carriers. But I'm somewhat uncertain on the details (and I don't mean in a Heisenberg way). Perhaps the band is just voicing their frustration that there seem to be so few entry level texts that cover the subject in lay terms.

Re:Snarkified

[sumdumass]

Well, as long as your attempting to quote the l;lyrics to prove your point, lets put some more in there to make that point valid.

Lets see, the song starts off with :If magic is all we've ever know
Then it's easy to miss what really goes on

SO what do you suppose that means and how does it put the rest of the song- more specifically your point into context?

But wait, the song goes on and says But I've seen miracles in every way
And I see miracles everyday;
It lists some shit perceived as miracles and in that list it includes : UFOs, the pyramids, Everything you believed in as kids. It goes on to end the verse with: And music is magic, pure and clean You can feel it and hear it but it can't be seen.

How does that put what you cited into context? I mean they lists things that are obviously man made, pyramids, music, and things that are works of the imagination, UFOs (because it's no longer a UFO once it's been identified) and the things you believed as kids. So what do you think they are attempting to say here? and how does that reconcile with your comment?

Or is it that they insulted some precious belief by making some stupid statement in the middle of other stupid statements and you are now all offended like the church lady or something. Don't take one or two lines out of context with the rest of the song.