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The Fuel Cost of Obesity

thecarchik writes "America loves to complain about gas mileage and the cost of gasoline. As it turns out, part of the problem is us. How much does it really matter? A study by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found a 1.1 percent increase in self-reported obesity, which translates into extra weight that your vehicle has to haul around. The study estimates that 1 billion extra gallons of fuel were needed to compensate for passenger weight gained between 1960 and 2002."

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  1. Less than one percent... by BobMcD · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One key finding was that almost 1 billion gallons of gasoline per year can be attributed to passenger weight gain in non-commercial vehicles between 1960 and 2002--this translates to .7 percent of the total fuel used by passenger vehicles annually.

    So they found it had nearly nothing to do with it. Spiffy.

    1. Re:Less than one percent... by alen · · Score: 3, Insightful

      before SUV's and mini vans we had station wagons and muscle cars. generally cars are a lot more efficient today. my 4 cylinder 2009 Accord has as much horse power as my old 1992 V8 firebird. and it has a lot more electric gizmos for pollution control as well as comfort

    2. Re:Less than one percent... by sumdumass · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Nearly nothing, lets make that next to nothing, or completely negligable seeing how more fuel is used annually to run to the store for a newspaper or a soda or single under $10 items that aren't even close to being a necessity then the total passenger weight gain in non-commercial vehicles over the course of 42 years.

      There was a study a while back which said that if people could purchase junk food when they purchased their groceries or gas or whatever other reason they needed to be at a store, we could cut something like 15% of our annual fuel usage. Of course I can't find a link to the article on it, but it was about consolidating trips to the store to save on fuel expenses.

    3. Re:Less than one percent... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not to mention lots of people haul around tons of useless junk in their trunks (no pun intended) that adds to vehicle weight, as well as the assumption that more people drive alone nowadays as opposed to carpooling.

    4. Re:Less than one percent... by magarity · · Score: 2, Informative

      How do they know it's passenger weight gain? Cars got heavier between 1960 and 1974
       
      The car itself doesn't matter. If you're committed to taking car X then the increase in car X's load between a fat passenger and a thin passenger increases the load and thus the fuel use. That a heavier car uses more fuel than a lighter car is not the comparison. A heavier passenger in a heavy car still uses more fuel than a light passenger in a heavy car.

    5. Re:Less than one percent... by natehoy · · Score: 4, Informative

      We probably don't. Any round number like that is suspicious to start with.

      However, your observation does lead to a good point. Extra vehicle weight, and other factors, do affect fuel mileage.

      Every pound you add to your vehicle (whether it be lard or steel) reduces your fuel mileage by some small percentage (especially in city driving). Every item you add to your vehicle that interferes with the smooth flow of air around your vehicle also has the same effect, including roof racks, etc (especially in highway driving). Fast starts and heavy acceleration also have a significant effect, as does driving very fast (these two often add to maintenance costs, as well, and apply to both city AND highway).

      These "little things" have a way of adding up to a measurable amount of money at the end of the year.

      To keep the math easy, take a 20MPG pickup with $2/gallon fuel. That's ten cents a mile for fuel. If you drive 10,000 miles a year, fuel for that vehicle will cost you $1,000.

      For every 10% (2MPG) increase or decrease, you are looking at an approximate additional expense or savings of $100 per year. So adding those cargo racks to the back of the truck just cost you the cost of the racks, plus $50-100 a year as an ongoing expense in lost fuel. If you don't need them, take them off. Or spend a few bucks on the ones that fold down out of the way.

      Carrying around 200 pounds of bricks in your trunk for a month when it never snowed at all just cost you $5, which you could have saved by removing them until snow was forecast. Putting your studded snow tires on two months before it started snowing cost you $10 and made you put a couple thousand miles of wear on a set of studded snows that are a lot more expensive per mile than regular tires.

      Racing off the line to beat the other guy in the shinier car to the merge cost you a between a dime and a half a dollar.

      You saved $100 on a set of tires, but are annoyed because they are a tad noisier than you had hoped for. Guess what? That noise probably means the tires have higher rolling resistance, and over the 30,000 mile lifetime of those tires you'll end up spending $200 more in fuel to run them. Run them underinflated for a while and they'll wear out faster and cost you even more fuel.

      Each of these things cost you money. Money you could use to buy other things if you wanted to.

      Whether you choose to spend it on them is, of course, your decision. But it's a good idea to think about them.

      Think about that the next time you are first in line at a red light, the lane merges ahead, and you've got some dude in a fancy car who wants to play. Do you want to be first? Glue a quarter on the dashboard near the redline indicator to remind you that it costs money. Spend it if you want, but be aware you are spending it.

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    6. Re:Less than one percent... by hamburger+lady · · Score: 4, Insightful

      methinks the fuel that went into the growing, processing and shipping of all the extra food obese americans stuff down their pieholes is gonna account for a more substantive share than this.

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    7. Re:Less than one percent... by rgviza · · Score: 2, Informative

      My 2007 mustang GT got 31mpg on the highway and has 300hp. Back in 1970 a 300hp mustang required 458 cubic inches and got 12mpg.

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    8. Re:Less than one percent... by oldspewey · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm also in Canada, and I have one piece of advice: putting extra weight in the back of a FWD car may work to reduce mild, controllable oversteer, but it dramatically increases the risk of sudden, uncontrollable oversteer.

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    9. Re:Less than one percent... by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ??!? Huh?

      Let's see.. 1975 :

      VW bug 40mpg
      Pinto : 34mpg
      Plymouth Duster :23 mpg

      3 of the MOST POPULAR cars in 1975. I.E. there was a crapload of them on the road, more than the SuperBee and Charger musclecars by a 60 to 1 ratio.

      Sorry but fuel economy has went NOWHERE over the past 35 years. we had cars getting 20-s to 40mpg forever here in the usa and the bulk of people did not drive Musclecars and the Land-Yacht station wagons with giant big block V8's with 6 pack carbeurators.

      Todays cars are more complex. they are NOT more efficient. In fact if you are trying to build yourself a high gas mileage car in the garage you will have a easier time of it if you go carbeurator instead of fuel injection.

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    10. Re:Less than one percent... by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Your 2007 mustang is made from tinfoil and packing tape. the 1970 mustang was made from 3/4" plate steel, concrete, and lead. PLUS the engine was intentionally detuned. Those engines can be easily woke up to do 1HP per CuInch, your 2007 mustang is at the top of it's horsepower capabilities without adding a supercharger or turbo. a 1970 458 big block can easily reach 1000HP with a supercharger.

      big difference.

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    11. Re:Less than one percent... by morari · · Score: 2, Insightful

      and it has a lot more electric gizmos for pollution control as well as comfort

      More gizmos to cause problems and break, you mean.

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    12. Re:Less than one percent... by brianosaurus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      All I see in the picture is some grotesquely obese guy with a poor fashion choice. And he looks pretty cramped in that Ford Excursion. ;)

      The article actually specifically mentions that issue, at the end of the first paragraph, "Obesity has caused more people to buy larger vehicles..." I'm sure most of the increase in (non-commercial) car size is due to enormously fat people not fitting into normal cars (and bottoming out suspension, etc). That's pretty much common sense, and we've already had the "bigger cars use more gas" discussion. This article is trying to hit closer to home with the message, "your big fat ass uses more gas". Even a big, inefficient gas guzzler uses more gas hauling around a load of 300lb passengers than it does passengers 2/3 or half that size. Other wasteful behavior is pretty much irrelevant to this discussion, and doesn't negate the facts that body weight affects gas mileage. No matter how much unnecessary cargo, or sand bags, or whatever else you might have in the car (that can easily be removed if you wanted), your ass is always with you, putting additional load on the car's engine. No matter how stupid it is to go grocery shopping in a lifted H2 on 44s with a chrome winch, and an ATV on the roof rack, it still uses even more fuel if the driver is 200lb overweight.

      Sure the article says its only .7% increase overall, but that increase is heavily weighted towards obese people. Skinny drivers help bring up the average MPG, so the impact doesn't seem as great. The increase in fuel consumption due to obesity affects *my* gas-mileage by about 0 percent. My 300-lb friend probably makes way more than .7% more trips to the gas station than I do, since he's carrying the burden (so to speak). That extra billion gallons of waste isn't evenly distributed across the population (though the environmental impact of burning that extra fuel to drag one's fat ass around town affects us all equally).

      I'd be curious to see the study break out the numbers by weight class, or maybe have a test group of various people driving the same car (or same kind of car, and do it for several models) to see how their specific weights affect mileage. If they showed that being 50-100lb overweight actually costs you (just guessing) 10% more annually, that would have way more impact.

      Interestingly, the bigger cars will show less of a performance decrease from obese drivers, since an extra 200-lb on the driver's body is a much smaller percentage of the total vehicle weight. Adding a 300-lb passenger to an 8000 SUV won't really affect much; its a drop in the bucket. Add a 300-lb passenger to a Toyota Corolla, and you can immediately tell a difference in the way the car accelerates and handles. As an obese driver of an H2 sheds weight, there will hardly be any increase in gas mileage; a 100-lb weight loss is barely more than a 1% change in total vehicle weight; mileage might increase from 11 mpg to 11.1 mpg. Drop 100-lb from your body and an econobox getting 35+mpg will gain a couple of mpg. The fact that obese people don't fit in efficient cars dilutes the real problem even more.

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    13. Re:Less than one percent... by n8r0n · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Huh? Are you kidding? No, cars are not more efficient today. Since the mid-80s, average fuel economy of cars in the united states has increased by about 1 mpg. Is 1 mpg what you call "a lot"?

      Seriously. How does stuff like this getted modded up?

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_Average_Fuel_Economy

    14. Re:Less than one percent... by mobby_6kl · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The old Mustang might be made from 3/4" (whatever that is in real unites) steel, but it's a fucking deathtrap compared to any relatively modern car, including the 2007 mustang. Also, the old, especially pre-'72, HP measurements were pretty much bullshit.

  2. How about by Dunbal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    offsetting this by the fuel savings coming from reduced family size. People simply have fewer children on average than they used to.

    Wow you really can make numbers say anything you want. Remember that thanks to all the SUV's, the weight of the average car has increased since the 60's, not decreased as you would expect from losing the chassis and moving to a monocoque design.

    But hey, let's bash fat people. How about that fat tax?

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    1. Re:How about by sznupi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They do need larger (wider, most importantly) car to feel comfortable...so yeah, it's not only weight increses of passangers, also cars; perhaps partly because the average comfortable size lies somewhat higher.

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    2. Re:How about by johnlcallaway · · Score: 2, Informative

      I ride a 600 pound motorcycle, so I use less gas than almost EVERY skinny person that drives their car to work alone. And I get to use the HOV lane, which means I'm not in stop-and-go traffic as often.

      So suck my fat dick....

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    3. Re:How about by oldspewey · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I was on a flight recently, sitting in my window seat and getting settled while the plane was still loading, when a guy came trundling down the aisle who was around 6' tall and at least 300lbs+. Turns out he was my seatmate. It was only a short flight, so as he shoved his gear into the overhead I did my best to adopt a buddhist mindset and accept the fact there would be a little encroachment into my space for the next hour or so.

      Turns out this guy wasn't happy with a little encroachment and he wanted to raise the armrest between our seats - said he can't fit comfortably between the armrests and needs to raise the middle one whenever he flies. I politely told him I'd be more comfortable with the armrest down and that I'm sure we'd be able to figure it out. He decided he needed to "stand his ground" and said there's no way he can sit - even for a short flight - with the armrest down. As more and more passengers lined up behind him (I was in seat 8A IIRC, on a plane with 24 or 25 rows), the flight attendant eventually got involved and asked what was going on. I stayed polite, but told her that I bought the same coach class seat as the other guy, and that I need to keep the armrest down for my own comfort and safety.

      The FA told the guy he'd either have to sit in his assigned seat with the armrest between us down, or he could move to the last row of the plane and have 2 seats all to himself (she said the flight was "almost full but not quite"). You should have seen the glare this guy gave me as he took his bag back out of the overhead and trekked off down to the last row of the plane. Screw him - I paid for 1.0 seats. I'm willing to accept 0.9 but I'm not going to cheerfully smile and accept 0.6 for the next couple hours.

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    4. Re:How about by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Plenty of people are still buying SUVs... and when the economy recovers, I think we'll see SUVs make a bigger comeback.

      Probably not. The *only* reason oil prices are low now ($70-$80/barrel) is because of the global recession. As soon as thinks pick back up, expect to see oil at $100/barrel *at least*.

    5. Re:How about by fishbowl · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You said the magic word, and made it a "safety" issue. Bravo.

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    6. Re:How about by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Informative

      I ride a 600 pound motorcycle, so I use less gas than almost EVERY skinny person that drives their car to work alone. And I get to use the HOV lane, which means I'm not in stop-and-go traffic as often.

      I'm not aware of any 600 pound motorcycles that get fuel economy worth a fuck. What is your actual economy like? And I don't mean theoretical or best-case, I mean what you get on average.

      Further, you're probably polluting four times as much as an SUV or more per mile, due to the lack of meaningful emissions controls on motorcycles. So fuck you anyway with your allegedly fat dick. (If you really had one, you wouldn't need to tell us about it, or your motorcycle.)

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  3. So? by joeflies · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Although 1B gals sounds like a lot, consider that Wiki says the US alone used 138B of gas in 2006. So saving 1B gals over the course of 20 years globally is a relative drop in the bucket.

    What someone needs to do is track the relative fuel cost based on the weight and number of vehicles over the years, and it should be come apparent that we should be driving motorcycles and lightweight double passenger cars rather than trying to wrap our minds about how human weight affects oil consumption.

    1. Re:So? by _LORAX_ · · Score: 3, Informative

      Bad summary. 1B gals/year is quotes in the article.

    2. Re:So? by robot256 · · Score: 2, Funny

      From the TFA:

      One key finding was that almost 1 billion gallons of gasoline per year can be attributed to passenger weight gain in non-commercial vehicles between 1960 and 2002--this translates to .7 percent of the total fuel used by passenger vehicles annually.

      So it was actually 1 billion gallons per year, not total. Seems like the blog words it poorly and that they're really saying that if we were all the same weight as we were in 1960, we would have used 1 billion gallons less fuel last year than we actually did. But that is still only a 0.7% increase in yearly consumption.

      More fun is this observation:

      One other result of the obesity problem is the increase risk of crashes as noted in a recent study and that is also due to the fact that obese drivers are less likely to buckle up because seat belts may not fit properly.

      So basically, fat people are looking for Darwin Awards. Now just make sure they are all distracted on their giant phones, and problem solved.

    3. Re:So? by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Although 1B gals sounds like a lot, consider that Wiki says the US alone used 138B of gas in 2006. So saving 1B gals over the course of 20 years globally is a relative drop in the bucket.

      Yeah I probably could cycle to work every day for the rest of my life, but I won't since it's just a relative drop in the bucket.
      I could replaceall the halogens in my house with energy saving bulbs, but I only use 4kWh which in terms of the entire suburb is just a relative drop in the bucket.
      Australia could build a new Nuclear power stations instead of Brown Coal power stations, but with China on the rise it's just a relative drop in the bucket.

      Every time I read a comment like yours I realise that people don't get it. There's a finite number of drops in the bucket. Removing one alone does nothing appreciable. But if you start removing many of these tiny drops pretty soon you'll find the bucket is starting to empty. This isn't a 1B saving over 20 years. This is an ADDITIONAL 1B saving over 20 years.

      Though admittedly fat people die younger, and may have difficulty breeding so that's probably good for the environment.

  4. Remember... by Bicx · · Score: 2, Informative

    "Rule 1: Cardio. When the zombie outbreak first hit, the first to go, for obvious reasons... were the fatties."

    1. Re:Remember... by mmcxii · · Score: 2, Funny

      You trust the advice of a jackass who's weapon of choice in the zombie apocalypse is a double barrel shotgun? Sheesh!

  5. They see me by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 3, Funny

    ridin' Obese; they hatin'.

  6. Lets do a little math ... by qoncept · · Score: 2, Informative

    ... but not quite enough. A typical car weighs 3000lbs. The article (ok, the summary -- I didn't read the article) doesn't say what the weight gain is, but let's assume the difference between "obese" and "not obese" is 30lbs. A typical car has a drag coefficient of .4. And we're driving 45mph. There's also an unknown amount of parasitic drag in the drivetrain.

    The equation

    Ok, I don't have the time or inclination to figure this out. But I bet .7% is pretty high.

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    1. Re:Lets do a little math ... by blueg3 · · Score: 2, Funny

      So, you're talking about wind resistance, which is independent of the mass of the object -- only dependent on speed, shape, and air characteristics. When cruising, your fuel consumption is dominated by this (unless you're hauling a heavy load up an incline).

      The mass-dependent fuel consumption is going to be primarily in acceleration (and hills), so the dependence of fuel economy on weight depends on driving habits.

      Of course, fuel economy depends much more strongly on driving habits than it does on weight. For that matter, it also depends on strongly on engine characteristics and vehicle shape and size.

      If you really want to be snarky, you could probably claim that the additional fuel needed to haul around an obese person is more than offset by the fact that they don't drive to the gym.

    2. Re:Lets do a little math ... by sznupi · · Score: 2, Informative

      The first section of TFA clarifies that they looked also at the size increase of cars / tried to determine the influence of obesity on the trend of buying larger ones. After all, what size of a car / seat is comfortable to you (and as far as I can tell, there's not really any gain in going above "yup, it's comfortable" level) is quite tightly related to your shape - the photo in TFA is quite telling.

      They also touched on the increased risk of crashes - apparently not only because of car sizes, also because obese drivers are less likely to use seatblets (troubles with fitting them...)

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  7. Reality Check by painandgreed · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The study estimates that 1 billion extra gallons of fuel

    Less than what the US could save by making sure their tires are properly inflated (1.25 billion). let alone what we could save by cleaning out our trunks, removing our winter bags of sand, or other weight just sitting around in the car. Both are much easier than getting people to lose weight, but I doubt if they are getting done. Good luck on getting people to stop being obese to save an non-detectable part of their gas bill. For that matter, it would probably be easier just to appeal to get them to keep from diving as much (which if they walk or bike would also cut into the obese issue).

    1. Re:Reality Check by natehoy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      But all of which, when combined have more of an effect then when you do only one of them.

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  8. Re:Guess what I do everyone? by Drakkenmensch · · Score: 2, Funny

    Remember, if you rub your food on a piece of paper and it turns transparent? It's your window to success!

  9. I know something by Eversor · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I know something that America loves to complain about more than fuel prices. Fat Americans. Get over yourself.

  10. I'm sequestering carbon by Linux_ho · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Do you have any idea how much carbon I've sequestered in fat? Get off my roly poly back.

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  11. 10^9/10^11 = less than 1% reduction in fuel usage by cacba · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yep, this matters. 1.25871×10^11 Gal Used.

  12. american fuel prices by ZERO1ZERO · · Score: 3, Insightful

    America has one of the cheapest fuel prices in the world. Stop complaining. it's about 6-7$ a gallon here.

    1. Re:american fuel prices by blueg3 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That'd be because you tax the hell out of it.

    2. Re:american fuel prices by Thelasko · · Score: 2, Insightful

      America has one of the cheapest fuel prices in the world.

      That's bull and you know it. Kuwait, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, and Venezuela all pay less than $1 per gallon.*

      *Based on some really old CNN Money article. Prices may have changed, but I doubt very much.

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    3. Re:american fuel prices by Synon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      America has one of the cheapest fuel prices in the world. Stop complaining. it's about 6-7$ a gallon here.

      Cheapest? Hardly. Venezuela sells gas for 12 cents a gallon, it's cheaper than water. Each country imposes different taxes on fuel, some countries (like Venezuela) will even subsidize it. Just because our fuel is cheaper than yours doesn't mean it's some of the "cheapest in the world", far from it.

    4. Re:american fuel prices by Ichijo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That'd be because you tax the hell out of it.

      If we (Americans) were to internalize all the negative externalities into the price of gasoline, how much would it cost? Add $20 per ton of CO2, which comes to 19 cents per gallon, for global warming. Add in the cost of air pollution, up to $1600 per person annually. Because gas taxes and user fees only make up 65% of the cost of the roads, add the other 35% into the cost of gasoline. And so on.

      With all the externalities added to the price of gasoline, I think we would see gas prices similar to Europe's, and we would find that their gas taxes are more fair than ours.

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  13. Stop! by snspdaarf · · Score: 2, Funny

    Reading all these posts is making me hungry. Someone pass me another bag of cheetos and a coke.

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  14. Regenerative Braking by Rabbidous · · Score: 2, Funny

    This sounds like a perfect argument for regenerative braking... The easy conclusion: fat people should all drive hybrids because they store more kinetic energy

    1. Re:Regenerative Braking by nschubach · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm not sure why, but I just imagined a future where fat people are hired to sit on "merry go rounds" as human flywheels.

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  15. Extra Extra, read all about it! by djdbass · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Adding 42 years worth of data results in big number!

  16. The Cost of Cheap Gasoline by handy_vandal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The cost of (relatively) cheap gasoline? War, war, and more war. That cheap gasoline is only cheap because we're willing to bankrupt ourselves to get it.

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  17. hmmm by thatskinnyguy · · Score: 2, Informative

    In the grand scope of things, 1B gallons over that time span is piss in the ocean.

    1B gallons / 31 gallons per barrel = 32,258,064.5 barrels. Thats less than the US consumes in 2 days.

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  18. Here is a modest proposal! by lupinstel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We can melt down all the fatties and use them as bio-diesel.

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  19. Let's have Fair Flying by heretic108 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Airlines could do a lot to reduce carbon emissions, and also encourage better public health, by requiring passengers at checkin to stand on a large weighing platform along with their bags, and pay for the total weight. I strenuously object to subsidising the fares of obese people.

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    1. Re:Let's have Fair Flying by antifoidulus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You would have to take height into consideration as well, I'm a 6'2 male, I'm always going to weigh more than a healthy 5'8 female and there is nothing I can do about that.

    2. Re:Let's have Fair Flying by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why? You weigh what you weigh

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  20. Let's see by davev2.0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    1 billion gallons / 150,000,000 (guesstimate of the average population of the US over the 42 years) / 42 years /365 days = .000438 gallons per person per day.

  21. Re:So now we know. by nschubach · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Because the government subsidizes corn, so it's cheaper to use than cane/beat sugar... I'm sure there's more than enough politics behind it (and now a national dependence) that it's not going to go away anytime soon.

    We've all been forced(?) into consuming HFCS in just about everything from soft drinks to breads. Recently McDs has been selling sweet tea with sugar in it and I've found that if I drink one without eating I tend to get what I can only describe as light headed and I have to eat something to calm it down. I'm sure I have diabetes creeping up on me though. Of course, that's a lot of sugar for one drink so I don't have them often. ;)

    Enjoy what you have!

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  22. Fat People burn less fuel by jameskojiro · · Score: 2, Funny

    Did they compare the Fat guy in his 40's who doesn;t go out much to the skinny d-bag jock type that is always driving out to bars three or more times a week to pick up women?

    The Study is flawed because it doesn't take to effect that the fat people don't go out driving as much as thin socially active people.

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    1. Re:Fat People burn less fuel by symes · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I would imagine that one reason fat guys are fat is precisely because they drive everywhere. Last time I was in California I made the heretical suggstion that we walk the, approx, 1 mile to the beach rather than drive. "No one walks here!" was the reply, so we stuffed the dog into the car to go to the beach to walk the dog and then drove home. Seriously. Closer to home, I see people in the gym running for ages on the treadmill - why didn't they just run to the gym rather than drive? It is madness. Someone did a neat well designed study where they got some office people to use the stairs rather than the lift - this small additional excercise had profound effects in the long term on cholestoerol, chubbiness and just plain feeling good. We seem to be in a lazy world. Personally, I ride my bicycle to work and back (about 8 miles one way), I get there faster than by car in rush hour, I feel good, and just love buzzing past the caged masses stuck in traffic, and there's no problem parking. For sure, the sick and disabled need notorised transport - but why are people allowed to become sick and disabled through laziness? Why isn't there a cure? We can save their lives, reduce their weight, and save fuel.

  23. Go crash your Pinto and Beetle by Shivetya · · Score: 3, Informative

    Fuel economy has done well, not as good as it might have, but gasoline engine improvements are measured in percents.

    When you start with an inefficient process your not going to get remarkable numbers without some major innovation.

    Direct injection, turbo charging, start/stop, and other technologies are helping. Yet cars are heavier now because of all the creature comforts we desire and all the government regulations demanding the vehicles transmit the minimal amount of energy to the occupants in a crash.

    Crashes that would have killed everyone in your example vehicles and left a vehicle barely recognizable now leave occupants nearly untouched and with some vehicles actually repairable.

    Crashes that could not be avoided in your cars these days can be. Situations that were dangerous to drive in are very much less so.

    No cars have come far, the race between efficiency and safety is erring to the side of safety.

    While people throw out the bogeymen of SUVs and the like they ignore the fact that the majority of sedans get crap mileage as well.

    Old beetles usually did 28 to 32 on the highway, took almost twenty seconds to reach 60. You could probably crash an infinite number of them into a new beetle before the new one was not drivable. You of course would have a lot of scrap old beetles laying around afterward.

    Taking the mileage out of context does not make your argument better except at a cursory glance.

    Frankly I would not dare drive most older cars everyday. Their brakes were horrid and their suspensions not much better.

    As for the carb versus fuel injection comparison, get real. What you can do with direct injection shames a carb in both efficiency and pollution.

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  24. Bicycle by jbssm · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well, if you ride bicycle more, not only would you reduce the gas consumption by not riding a car, but you would also loose weight and spend less fuel when you actually needed to ride the car. Perhaps you could start doing that a bit. I remember Washington and NY where quite flat cities from when I was there, so it wouldn't be difficult.

    1. Re:Bicycle by EmagGeek · · Score: 2, Informative

      And you would have lower blood pressure...

      And you would have lower cholesterol...

      And you would have fewer and lower medical bills...

      And you would live longer...

      And...

    2. Re:Bicycle by dr2chase · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Mod parent, grandparent up. Over the entire US, sure, 1% amounts to a lot of gas, but 1% is nothing compared with what you can save on a bike. I put 2500 miles/year on mine, displacing about 25-30% of what would ordinarily be driving (and crappy, city-ish driving, too). 1/3 of us live in communities at least as dense as Dutch towns (with 40% ride share), WTF is wrong with us?

      Helps with flaky joints, helps with flexibility, too.

    3. Re:Bicycle by Jedi+Alec · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In the netherlands as well as in belgium we're seeing a huge surge of electrically assisted bicycles lately. You still have to pedal but the experience is like going downwind all the time. Especially for the folks in their 50's and 60's this means they can pop down to to town, get groceries etc. and still get some exercise and fresh air instead of having to take the car.

      For those of us having to travel to work it means being able to take a bicycle for distances up to, say, 5 miles without excessive sweating.

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