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Video Adverts On the Printed Page

An anonymous reader writes "Prepare yourself. A staple of near-future sci-fi—magazine video ads—are now a thing of the present. And which high-tech magazine is leading the charge? Wired? Popular Mechanics? Nope. Successful Farming. The advertisement itself is for a pesticide that protects crops against nematodes. You can see a video of the video here."

153 comments

  1. Mute button by thomasinx · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Did anyone catch whether or not there was a mute button? I could see an ad with audio like that being incredibly annoying when reading in a public place.

    Overall though, I think this is an interesting trend. I definitely wonder whether or not the benefit of such an ad outweighs the cost of all the extra hardware...

    1. Re:Mute button by camperdave · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Did anyone catch whether or not there was a mute button?

      I would imagine that it is like those musical greeting cards: close the page, and it shuts off.

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      When our name is on the back of your car, we're behind you all the way!
    2. Re:Mute button by beakerMeep · · Score: 1

      Here's a frightening thought, what happens when the marketroids realize they could combine this tech with the old "make the ad fall out of the magazine on purpose" trick.

      Brilliant!

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      meep
    3. Re:Mute button by 246o1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is the kind of thing that will make me want to carry around a hammer or an EMP device. Ads already pollute enough of my life.

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      Although the moon is smaller than the earth, it is farther away.
    4. Re:Mute button by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      You can just install ad block plus and you won't be bothered by these anymore.

    5. Re:Mute button by meerling · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Makes me want to hack and repurpose them.

    6. Re:Mute button by Z00L00K · · Score: 4, Funny

      Then they just have to make it proofed against everything up to and including a sledgehammer.

      But if you want to make sure that you aren't annoyed a few seconds in the microwave would take care of the problem.

      The next thought is - can this be hacked? Probably, and now we will wait for those items to appear in pr0n magazines too. Just imagine what people will look like if the magazine stand starts to moan.

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      If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker would destroy civilization.
    7. Re:Mute button by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      Did anyone catch whether or not there was a mute button? I could see an ad with audio like that being incredibly annoying when reading in a public place.

      Overall though, I think this is an interesting trend. I definitely wonder whether or not the benefit of such an ad outweighs the cost of all the extra hardware...

      I tried to remove the superfluous stuff from your post, here's the same thing in shorter form.

      I'm confused by 1) how this works 2) whether it's a good thing. I don't know what "trend" means.

      You're welcome...

    8. Re:Mute button by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and now we will wait for those items to appear in pr0n magazines too.

      wow, i was seriously pissed off by the idea of video adds in magazines untill i read this!

      finally playboy can add video's to their magazine!

    9. Re:Mute button by somersault · · Score: 4, Funny

      finally playboy can add video's to their magazine!

      www.playboy.com + Mobile Internet Device

      Adding videos to their magazine is like adding apostrophes to words that don't need them.

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      which is totally what she said
    10. Re:Mute button by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2, Informative

      The technology in use is Americhip's "Video in print". They are a touch light on technical detail; but it appears to be a full color LCD screen, most likely made possible by the economies of scale of the cellphone world, along with a driver board of some kind(unlike say, the fixed-segment, e-ink display that Esquire ran 100,000 of, which was pretty easy to control; but nearly worthless because it was fixed-segment and not even usefully so like the old LCD/LED alphanumeric displays).

      I'd assume that, for the relatively short runs they are doing, the included videos aren't stored in mask ROMS or PROMs, and that the driver is some comparatively sane fixed-function-video-decoder-plus-LCD-driver-and-enough-GPIO-for-a-few-buttons thing. Whether the whole thing kindly has labeled holes for the insertion of a JTAG header, or even a logic-level "rs-232" interface easily available, or whether it is some cryptographic lockdown horror is another question, though...

    11. Re:Mute button by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Preposterou's!

    12. Re:Mute button by Pezbian · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I remember Esquire.
      Suit: "We encourage hacking of the displays!"
      Hacker: "Well... I made a clock out of it... but that's all and it takes a training seminar to learn to read it."

      This isn't going to be useless at all... until the suits realize they can save half a penny by shrinking the circuit board to get rid of all those trivial externally-accessible contacts, sealing the ASIC into an epoxy blob to save the expense of IC packaging and switching to PROM to spare the expense of Flash memory.

      With the savings, they can afford louder speakers and larger batteries!

      Sure, the whole things can no longer be recycled and Mother Nature showed up in person to slash her wrists, but it means another round of gold-plated Bentleysfor the Board of Directors so who gives a shit, right?

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      In a world of the blind, the one-eyed man is king--and the two-eyed man is a heretic.
    13. Re:Mute button by Travco · · Score: 1

      Hack A Day has some useful info on this thing in the last 15 or so comments on this article. http://hackaday.com/2009/08/21/cbs-introduces-video-in-print-technology/#comments

    14. Re:Mute button by Travco · · Score: 1

      Plus several youtube videos. In Italian http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ds3jmXnoW6E. and this site thoughtfully provided by americhip http://americhipvipconversion.com/

    15. Re:Mute button by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 1

      This is an advertisement we're talking about. It would just get louder.

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      May the Maths Be with you!
    16. Re:Mute button by cygnwolf · · Score: 1

      Adding videos to their magazine is like adding apostrophes to words that don't need them.

      Now I wish I hadn't spent all my mod points....

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      Free Pie! The Pie is Also Evil!
    17. Re:Mute button by Albatrosses · · Score: 1

      Except that unlike for Firefox, this installation requires a sledgehammer :)

    18. Re:Mute button by Xyrus · · Score: 1

      I can't wait for this! This would be totally awesome to hack!

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      ~X~
    19. Re:Mute button by Sockatume · · Score: 1

      I wonder if that USB port can also be used for data. Depending on how accessible the port is, you could have some fun uploading other vids to the magazines before sneaking away.

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      No kidding!!! What do you say at this point?
    20. Re:Mute button by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'd be less concerned about strict cost cutting measures(the board is already height constraints, so I'm sure that headers and DIPs are out; but test lands never killed anybody with steady hands and I'm not at all sure that PROMs are much ahead of NAND Flash for bulk storage/$, also, particularly for short runs, being able to stock one driver board, programmable on demand, albeit quite possibly through a ghastly little custom connector/bed of nails arrangement is very handy).

      My concern would more be that, recognizing the fact that sponsors will be Less Than Happy if their messages are being cut out and sold on ebay for reflashing, rather than viewed, the company would take some fairly simple; but quite difficult to break without die-level hacking, cryptographic measures.

      For instance, if I were their engineer, I'd probably design the driver board as follows: Custom(or customized) ASIC with LCD driver, USB, hardware video decoder, flash interface, and something to support a few buttons. Package or blob, depending on bulk. Flash would be your basic NAND, as seen in USB drives everywhere, from whoever is cheapest. 4 flat test points, breaking out the USB interface, would allow the device to be programmed and charged.

      However, to program the device, you would connect it to a computer, where it would present as a simple USB MSC device. You would load the videos you want, and a simple text file defining button functions and playlist order. Each video, and the definitions file, would be cryptographically signed. The ASIC would simply ignore any unsigned files.

      Unless I fucked it up, you'd have to decap the ASIC and modify the silicon, which would be wildly uneconomic, to get it to play your own stuff, yet it would all be totally standard, off-the-shelf, type hardware. Boom.

    21. Re:Mute button by sorak · · Score: 1

      All's the' word's need's apostrophie's though!' Now's give's me's my's airbrushed's video's porn's.

    22. Re:Mute button by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some languages use 's to indicate plural (Example). Perhaps the parent poster is not a native English speaker?

    23. Re:Mute button by joebok · · Score: 1

      It is interesting, but I hope it doesn't catch on. I'll bet no thought, and certainly no funds, have gone into dealing with the waste - a classic external cost being eaten by the taxpayer. Time was we could toss an old magazine into the recycle bin - now - ? Madness... madness!

    24. Re:Mute button by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      But if you want to make sure that you aren't annoyed a few seconds in the microwave would take care of the problem.

      Hey, good idea, seriously. Just a couple of seconds in the microwave should toast these things without damaging the magazine.

      But really this is like sticking a touchscreen and camera onto an analog landline phone. Dead tree magazines are on their way out. If you want to embed videos into an e-mag it's easy to do - and I'll have a plugin to block them from running without my consent.

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      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
    25. Re:Mute button by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      What could they be good for? Once the novelty of hacking them wears off they're pretty useless apart from maybe some sort of art project.

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      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
    26. Re:Mute button by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      (1) This could save the magazine and newspaper industry. Instead of reading about the cops chasing a runaway suspect, you could watch it.

      (2) I want this to flatsheet video for my living room wall.

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      "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - historian Evelyn Beatrice Hall
    27. Re:Mute button by jollygreengiantlikes · · Score: 1

      As someone else had suggested, it is a greeting card type device with a plastic pull tab between pages. You really had to open the page wide to get it to go, and there was probably a 2-3 second intro with minimal sound. JGG

    28. Re:Mute button by jollygreengiantlikes · · Score: 1

      Oh - and as far as cost/benefit. Pesticide advertising is a unique market in that the ads are usually aired on local television stations to reach the largely rural target audience. Think about running an ad in the Minneapolis/St.Paul television market - now think about the cost of sending out a number of magazine ads with your same message - only in much more detail and only to your target audience.

      After dissecting the device, I could see it costing 20-$40... for the number of copies that's a chunk of change, but it still may have been well worth it ($340k-$680k).

      I mean, since when did a pesticide producer get good press on slashdot?

      JGG

    29. Re:Mute button by jollygreengiantlikes · · Score: 1
      None of that needed. I examined a unit and it was simple - attach via the included mini-USB connector. It even worked on my Macintosh.

      The included Li-Ion battery recharges via USB and the four videos can be overwritten with files provided they are encoded correctly for the device. (Don't ask me - I can't remember)

      The one useful comment I can make is that if anyone is trying to hack one of these Americhip devices, it required a password. I believe it was simply activated using 3 of the 4 included buttons - hitting them sequentially 1, 2, 3.

      1-2-3-4-5? That's the stupidest combination I've ever heard of in my life! That's the kinda thing an idiot would have on his luggage!

      Spaceballs

      JGG

    30. Re:Mute button by somersault · · Score: 1

      I see native English speakers do that kind of thing all the time on Facebook. If anything, non native English speakers are probably more likely to know the rules these days..

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      which is totally what she said
    31. Re:Mute button by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      Interesting. I'll have to see if I can find one. I would have expected stronger measures.

  2. Landfill... by bennomatic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Aren't there a lot of "bad things* in computers and monitors? Isn't it bad enough the ones on our desktops turn over every few years? Can you imagine if hundreds of thousands of these ended up in the landfill every month? Forgive me if I sound like a kneejerk hippy, but this just doesn't seem at all green.

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    The CB App. What's your 20?
    1. Re:Landfill... by vidnet · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, considering that it's an advert for poison...

    2. Re:Landfill... by camperdave · · Score: 5, Funny

      Forgive me if I sound like a kneejerk hippy, but this just doesn't seem at all green.

      Just turn off all the red and blue pixels, and it'll be green.

      --
      When our name is on the back of your car, we're behind you all the way!
    3. Re:Landfill... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Geeks lead the way. Defcon has electronic badges. A new one every year. Disposable electronics is not a future thing, it's already here. Fortunately I can not see magazines being profitable with manufacturing costs that high. If this even becomes a trend in print, then it will certainly be replaced by universal electronic readers.

    4. Re:Landfill... by Imaria · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Someone mod this UP, please?

    5. Re:Landfill... by Spacezilla · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Doesn't matter, that post will surely get modded up to the maximum as Insightful in no time.

    6. Re:Landfill... by bennomatic · · Score: 1

      It doesn't deserve insightful. Maybe interesting. Insightful implies that I'm right. For all I know, this ad system is made of cotton and corn.

      --
      The CB App. What's your 20?
    7. Re:Landfill... by Spacezilla · · Score: 1

      To me Interesting is: "I hadn't thought of that, good point." and Insightful is: "Yeah, you nailed it, my thoughts exactly."

      So I would personally mod this Insightful, not Interesting, but I guess we all have our own definitions for the moderation options. :)

    8. Re:Landfill... by gringer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, actually, the way you are meant to be moderating (according to the /. underlords) can be found here. It's almost the reverse of what you suggest. Quote unrelated:

      • Insightful -- An Insightful statement makes you think, puts a new spin on a given story (or aspect of a story). An analogy you hadn't thought of, or a telling counterexample, are examples of Insightful comments.
      • Interesting -- If you believe a comment to be Interesting (and it's not mostly Redundant, Offtopic, or otherwise lame), it is.
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      Ask me about repetitive DNA
    9. Re:Landfill... by Spacezilla · · Score: 1

      Wow, thanks for that, I remember reading those guidelines years ago, but have since forgotten all about them. I should probably read them again next time I get mod points. :)

    10. Re:Landfill... by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      And this first one would be a collectors item.

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      If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker would destroy civilization.
    11. Re:Landfill... by Bombur · · Score: 1

      The landfill issue can be ended if the following question can be answered with "yes":

      Can it be hacked?

    12. Re:Landfill... by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      that much for farmers beeing green.....

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      bickerdyke
    13. Re:Landfill... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For all I know, this ad system is made of cotton and corn.

      It could also be made from tree bark, alfalfa and Lada Gaga's pussy juice, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

    14. Re:Landfill... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...Lada Gaga's pussy juice, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

      Given that, I think I would hold my breath very tightly indeed.

    15. Re:Landfill... by WuphonsReach · · Score: 1

      Wow, thanks for that, I remember reading those guidelines years ago, but have since forgotten all about them. I should probably read them again next time I get mod points. :)

      Aw, but what fun would that be?

      --
      Wolde you bothe eate your cake, and have your cake?
    16. Re:Landfill... by MiniMike · · Score: 1

      The real question is, if I plant this thing in the ground will it kill nematodes? Better than the stuff it advertises?

    17. Re:Landfill... by Reziac · · Score: 1

      I will often use "interesting" when a comment needs to be seen to make the rest of the chain make sense.

      Last week I found myself with infinite mod points (!!!), so used it to drag a whole comment chain I disagreed with up into visible space, because otherwise the refuting points (also modded up) made no sense. The thread was a lot more "interesting" if you saw the whole thing.

      Tho to show how ephemeral this all is, by now I have no recollection what it was about.

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      ~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
    18. Re:Landfill... by Ibiwan · · Score: 1

      I personally find it telling that you considered "Insightful" to be equivalent to "You agreed with me" :)

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      -- //no comment
  3. I want by CTU · · Score: 1

    I kinda want a copy of that mag...although I wonder if that screen can be used for anything else?

    1. Re:I want by txoof · · Score: 1

      That looks like a great place to start hacking from!

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      This one's tricky. You have to use imaginary numbers, like eleventeen... --Hobbes
  4. Pimp my mag by XiaoMing · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yo dawg! I heard you like overkill, so we put up a video of a video of an advertisement in an advertisement so you can watch while you read about watching while you read!

    1. Re:Pimp my mag by gringer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      we put up a video of a video of an advertisement in an advertisement so you can watch while you read about watching while you read!

      Your statement is a wonderfully concise explanation of the craziness of this story.

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      Ask me about repetitive DNA
    2. Re:Pimp my mag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yo dawg! I heard you like to overkill your overkill, so we put up a summary of an story of a video of a video of an advertisement in an advertisement so you can read about reading about watching while you watch about reading while you read.

  5. Looks cool, but by Max+Romantschuk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is it just me, or isn't that horrendously fucking ridiculously wasteful? Environmentally, that is.

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    1. Re:Looks cool, but by Custard+Horse · · Score: 1

      It's also not very 'Minority Report' is it?

      I could create a larger version at home using some cardboard and my plasma screen or perhaps I'm missing the point..

    2. Re:Looks cool, but by Trogre · · Score: 1

      The latter.

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      "Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
    3. Re:Looks cool, but by plumby · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I was thinking the same thing - there's a big difference between something that looks like a sheet of paper, but with animation on it, and something that looks like a small TV screen stuck into a hole in the page.

      Maybe it looks better in real life, but it looks quite some way from proper "sci fi" e-paper to me.

    4. Re:Looks cool, but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just like flying cars, we have them. I remember when 2000 was far far away. Everyone was sure to have flying cars in 2000!

      Some progress though, but far far away from public access. Which I guess is good.
      Those darn terrorist $religion would misuse it.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_air_vehicle#Progress

  6. further details by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    some more links with additional information.

    this post includes info on pricing, the cost is $50/insert for a volume of 1,000
    http://blogs.physicstoday.org/newspicks/2009/08/welcome-entertainment-weekly-r.html

    about halfway through there is footage of the raw board. looks like a standard small LCD, Li-Ion pack and logic board. and surprisingly a mini-usb for recharging
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3pI8F7ShSQ

    1. Re:further details by AmonTheMetalhead · · Score: 1

      I kind of want one.... wonder how hackable these things are

    2. Re:further details by jollygreengiantlikes · · Score: 1

      See my earlier comment for a couple details: http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1765200&cid=33374306 JGG

  7. Interesting by Xeno+man · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One of the first things that come to mind is cost. How much does it cost to run these types of adds. Is it really cost effective to manufacture batteries, displays, speakers and memory for video to be viewed maybe once if at all just to be tossed out? Now if displays are really that cheap, we should also be seeing an effect of lower costs on all displays. Also where can I get a few dozen copies as I'd love to start hacking those displays and putting together some sort of awesome free display.

    1. Re:Interesting by c0lo · · Score: 1

      Cost-wise, long term, would worth better if the magazine offers an eBook reader to subscribers for 1 year subscription
      As the prices are falling fast (e.g. Kobo - under $150), it would not take long for niche magazines to be distributed in electronic format only, with all the multimedia ads they want.

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      Questions raise, answers kill. Raise questions to stay alive.
    2. Re:Interesting by delinear · · Score: 1

      If the technology becomes widespread enough that it's commonplace, you're probably right. I suspect the first few magazines to do this will be more interested in the temporary readership boost they'll get from being one of the first to offer it than in offering better value to customers. This is no doubt what's attractive about it to the advertisers, too (i.e. it might not justify the cost by itself, but they're probably banking on the extra publicity they'll get).

    3. Re:Interesting by gshegosh · · Score: 1

      It surely *was* very cost effective for the first advertiser that has done that -- look, they're all over the news, even on Slashdot!

    4. Re:Interesting by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      How much does it cost to run these types of adds

      Well, computer time used to be pretty expensive, aven for adding... Oh, did you mean "ad" as in "advertisement"? My bad.

    5. Re:Interesting by Gaffod · · Score: 1

      If the cost is not prohibitive, this could actually be great for textbooks.

    6. Re:Interesting by Xeno+man · · Score: 1

      Yes, that was totally worth the time you spent typing that out, to bring to everyone's attention that I mistakenly added a second "d" to "ad" when I typed out my comment. The world is now a better place because of that and aven for adding.

      Oh, did you mean "even". If your going to be a dick about spelling, be sure that yours is correct first.

    7. Re:Interesting by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Sorry, it's just that there are too many people who really think that "ad" is spelled with two Ds. I was trying to be humorous. Lighten up!

  8. Not quite the future I imagined by Adrian+Lopez · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I used to dream about newspapers that had video where the pictures would normally go, but otherwise the pages with video didn't look any different from the pages you see in real newspapers. It's not as impressive when the video screen is small and the page is as thick as cardboard.

    --
    "In prison you just have to shut your eyes and take it. Here you have to shut your eyes and give it."
    1. Re:Not quite the future I imagined by Pezbian · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Reminds me of video in Windows 3.1. If it didn't crash every half-second, you were treated to 96x72px moving postage stamps of the moon landing and other stuff that actually made a VHS tape look great in comparison.

      --
      In a world of the blind, the one-eyed man is king--and the two-eyed man is a heretic.
    2. Re:Not quite the future I imagined by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no kidding.

      in 1950, they promised flying cars for everyone.

      "no more then 2 or 3 decades"

  9. Didn't I see this before? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative
    1. Re:Didn't I see this before? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    2. Re:Didn't I see this before? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, same editor. Hah!

  10. What's in a name? by tgv · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nobody noticed the abbreviation for Successful Farming is SF?

    1. Re:What's in a name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Seems appropriate since "successful" starts with s and "farming" starts with f.

    2. Re:What's in a name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody noticed the abbreviation for Successful Farming is SF?

      It should be an acronym, not abbreviation..

    3. Re:What's in a name? by oodaloop · · Score: 1

      OMG Successful Farming is just a front for the Special Forces! I knew it!

      --
      Tic-Tac-Toe, Global Thermonuclear War, and relationships all have the same winning move.
    4. Re:What's in a name? by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      And the abbreviation for Veridian Dynamics is VD. Don't wear a belt buckle with huge "VD" letters on it.

    5. Re:What's in a name? by OldeTimeGeek · · Score: 1

      An acronym is an abbreviation, but this is an initialism

    6. Re:What's in a name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interestingly enough, Successful Farming, not San Francisco actually holds the trademark on the letters SF

  11. SCARY THOUGHT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What happens when people can hack the magazine, and make it show rickroll clips?

    1. Re:SCARY THOUGHT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then I will have epic lulz while waiting at the dentist's office.

    2. Re:SCARY THOUGHT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      my guess is that people get rickrolled?

  12. Another misleading summary... by dmitriy88 · · Score: 2, Informative

    ...you can hardly call Wired a 'magazine'

  13. Farmers are often on the cutting edge by Osty · · Score: 5, Informative

    I've been saying it for some time now, but farmers have pretty much always been on the cutting edge of technology. The common view of farmers as slack-jawed yokels couldn't be any further from the truth. For thousands of years, most technology advances were the domain of farming. How do you think we can continue to feed the world's growing population and still have food surpluses that can be used for stuff like ethanol, high fructose corn syrup, plastics, etc.?

    Growing up as the son of a farmer, we were always playing around with new technology long before anyone else. Think your GPS is pretty sweet? Yeah, we had that in the early 90s for charting harvest yields (X bushels harvested at Y location with a relatively fine scale on the location == pretty yield maps). Wireless real-time stock quotes? We had that in the 80s for the futures markets. Self-driving vehicles? You've been able to buy tractors that would drive themselves in the fields for the past 15+ years, including collision avoidance (fields are not empty -- there are creeks, rocks, power lines, hills, etc that all need to be avoided or otherwise handled). The only thing surprising about this story is that this didn't happen 5 years ago.

    1. Re:Farmers are often on the cutting edge by The_mad_linguist · · Score: 1

      Yes, I've read a documentary on that exact subject.

    2. Re:Farmers are often on the cutting edge by c0lo · · Score: 1

      I've been saying it for some time now, but farmers have pretty much always been on the cutting edge of technology. [...]

      Strikes me as extremely stupid, then. What stops them to buy an eReader and ask the magazine be delivered in electronic format, with all the multimedia ads they want?

      --
      Questions raise, answers kill. Raise questions to stay alive.
    3. Re:Farmers are often on the cutting edge by osu-neko · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Strikes me as extremely stupid, then. What stops them to buy an eReader and ask the magazine be delivered in electronic format, with all the multimedia ads they want?

      Well, he was talking about farmers. The farmers are smart. Magazine publishers, on the other hand...

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      "Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies."
    4. Re:Farmers are often on the cutting edge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would be cool if it weren't for all the farm subsidies that enable it. Instead it just makes me kind of sick to my stomach.

    5. Re:Farmers are often on the cutting edge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what you're saying is.... Between the price we pay and the subsidies.....

      We are VASTLY overpaying for food.

      Ok.. that sounds about right.

    6. Re:Farmers are often on the cutting edge by 0WaitState · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There's no technology helping with ethanol production, unless you consider technology oriented towards lobbying congresscritters. There's only a tiny, tiny band of US farmland where one can grow corn efficiently enough to achieve a small (1.01 coefficient) energy-positive margin for the ethanol produced. Everywhere else it's a subsidised net energy loss--you use more petroleum products fertilizing, transporting product, and moving water than you save with the ethanol generated.

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    7. Re:Farmers are often on the cutting edge by Warll · · Score: 1

      I'll guaranty you that it was not the Magazine publisher how financed the ad, typically the person who is advertising the product will pay for ads.

      Now as to if Bayer is making a mistake here, I would say no. When you think about it the modern farmer is a very lucrative target market. They make their own buying decisions, most of their expenses are in consumables (Pesticides being a major one) and capital (vs labour as in most other industries) and like all business owners are always willing to buy a product capable of increasing yield.

      Bayer also gets a very high yield per ad unit, after all how many people do you know subscribe to farming magazines without owning a farm? This isn't your average magazine where most units will sit on shelfs until being sent back to the publisher.

    8. Re:Farmers are often on the cutting edge by longhairedgnome · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Same effect you get from all the corn products you eat?

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    9. Re:Farmers are often on the cutting edge by ksandom · · Score: 1

      What stops them to buy an eReader and ask the magazine be delivered in electronic format, with all the multimedia ads they want?

      In a lot of parts of the world, an internet connection. For example, it's very hilly here, so it's not viable to run lines or get wireless access to remote areas.

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    10. Re:Farmers are often on the cutting edge by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      Also, TFA says that, since this is more of a subscription magazine than a newsstand thing, they could target the ad based on the size of the subscriber's farm. Going to the trouble of doing that suggests that these things are not inexpensive; but that Bayer will probably be getting a pretty decent chunk of whatever it is that advertising efficacy is measured in...

    11. Re:Farmers are often on the cutting edge by delinear · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What's to say they're not already doing that? If a significant portion of readers prefer electronic versions and a similarly significant portion prefer dead tree editions then the smart move would be to cater to both markets, not just tell the dead tree people to move with the times and dump them. And as to why they prefer dead tree editions, any number of valid reasons, maybe it's easier to relax with a magazine than with a laptop or eReader, maybe they like to stick it in a back pocket while out in the field so they can read it over lunch without worrying about it breaking or getting lost, maybe they just prefer to read articles on paper. I'm sure a good percentage of the readership here still prefer books to eReaders, and this is hardly a site with a luddite leaning.

    12. Re:Farmers are often on the cutting edge by twitcher101 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So are farmers smart enough to know that if you kill nematodes, you kill the soil and are therefore fully dependent on chemical companies if you want to keep farming? Are they smart enough to know that you should NEVER use this product? Most I have talked to lately insist its impossible to produce food without chemicals, which just isn't true. In fact, most studies show that the surpluses would be larger without chemicals limiting the environment. We might have to eat more than five crops and not use corn in everything (but then it isn't in ANY of my cookbooks, so why is corn syrup in all my food?). Unfortunately, your examples above of early adoption suggest that farmers go for "shiny" things, rather than useful tech. Try getting them to adopt precision fertilization using GPS, and they balk, because it isn't about the environment, its only about yield maps. So the shiny advert will convince them to make the soil into a barren substrate...

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    13. Re:Farmers are often on the cutting edge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do understand that ethanol has other uses besides being used as replacement for fossil fuels, and that the whole point of the part of his post you could be referring to was that you cannot get ethanol, polenta/starch and corn syrup from the same maize cob.

    14. Re:Farmers are often on the cutting edge by johnlenin1 · · Score: 1

      Spot on comment, wish I had mod points today.

    15. Re:Farmers are often on the cutting edge by DrXym · · Score: 1

      I expect you will find virtually all those advances were created by engineers and scientists, not farmers. Of course the farmer isn't stupid, and if some tech comes along which speeds up / automates / increases yield etc. then naturally they will want to use it.

    16. Re:Farmers are often on the cutting edge by Steauengeglase · · Score: 1

      No, what he is really saying is that people are willing to take risks on tech if it will potentially increase their yields.

      Average Joe consumer doesn't need a car that can drive itself, because he is using it to get from point A to B, not drive in circles in the parking lot while he goes off to do something else. A farmer on the other hand, can use something like that.

    17. Re:Farmers are often on the cutting edge by caseih · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Studies" apparently show lots of things. Most of the problems you mention are well-known, (even by us farmers), and are caused largely by unwise government subsidies. Obviously the farm bill is pushed by American farmers (of which I am not), and of course EU farmers, which is definitely short-sighted.

      As for precision fertilizer, you are quite mistaken. Farmers are jumping at the bit to do this sort of thing, but so far it's just not economical yet. I can easily meter an average fert rate across my 52' drill, but doing individual runs is more complicated than you think. But the technology is coming soon, and I will definitely be adopting it when it's feasible, technologically and economically. I've seen a fertilizer bill as high as $250,000 for 2500 acres. Don't you think I'd like to reduce that? The primary motivation isn't shiny things, but reducing costs which almost always equals reducing environmental footprint.

    18. Re:Farmers are often on the cutting edge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since you know so much, you should be able to out compete traditional farmers hands-down, and get rich. I suggest you put your money where your mouth is. Invest everything you've got and start farming the way you say farming should be done.

      Farmers aren't irrational idiots. If you can show them a better way, they will go for it, guaranteed. If not, well, then all your hand waving blather is just so much horse shit.

    19. Re:Farmers are often on the cutting edge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been saying it for some time now, but farmers have pretty much always been on the cutting edge of technology. The common view of farmers as slack-jawed yokels couldn't be any further from the truth. For thousands of years, most technology advances were the domain of farming. How do you think we can continue to feed the world's growing population and still have food surpluses that can be used for stuff like ethanol, high fructose corn syrup, plastics, etc.?

      I thought that had something to do with subsidies...

    20. Re:Farmers are often on the cutting edge by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Not to mention laser levelling of fields, use of satellite views to evaluate cropland, etc, etc. which has all been going on for decades.

      As a minor corollary, North Dakota was one of the first states to put everything-gov't online. "Backward" compared to what??

      Having just come over from the story about how we need downtime to let our brains work efficiently... farmers riding that tractor get a lot of time to think. And they put it to good use.

      (Yes, I grew up in farm-and-ranch country myself. :)

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    21. Re:Farmers are often on the cutting edge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "What stops them to buy an eReader and ask the magazine be delivered in electronic format, with all the multimedia ads they want?"

      The publishers from the big city.

    22. Re:Farmers are often on the cutting edge by Osty · · Score: 1

      I expect you will find virtually all those advances were created by engineers and scientists, not farmers.

      Hurr durr. I are smart. No shit the advances were done by engineers and scientists. Farmers are farmers. They farm. That's what they do. Notice that I said "the domain of farming" when referring to technological advancements, meaning that farming (and in particular the need to continually increase yields) has driven a lot of technological advancement for thousands of years, and except for maybe the past 70-80 years or so it has driven almost all technological advancement. Obviously that doesn't mean that a farmer is sitting in a lab somewhere building a better fertilizer (though often it is the case that a farmer will tinker around and build something new and unique that turns out to be widely useful).

    23. Re:Farmers are often on the cutting edge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, they are getting allot of publicity now I would say. There must be some programmer/farmers....

      hmmm......

    24. Re:Farmers are often on the cutting edge by jjhall · · Score: 1

      Talk about only looking at one side of the coin! There are harmful nematodes and beneficial nematodes. Just like bacteria. There are a plethora of beneficial bacteria in your digestive system now, but there are also bacteria that will make you very sick if introduced into your digestive system, or into your body in general. Bacteria that will turn milk into yogurt, and bacterial that will turn milk into a dangerous rotten cup of botulism.

      I have not looked at this product in detail, but if it is formulated properly it will kill off the specific nematodes that are harmful to the crop being grown, and not kill the non-harmful and even beneficial little critters. Most agricultural chemicals are formulated this way. There are herbicides that you can apply that will kill most everything except corn, and others you can apply that potato plants will tolerate just fine but will kill corn. Just like the drug industry, every chemical has benefits and potential side effects. Farmers attend classes put on by various entities (for-profit and non-profit, both government and private) on how to wisely manage and minimize the use of chemicals. Unless you're meaning a city-slicker who bought 5 acres for their horses when you say "farmer," most farmers don't just go blindly put chemicals on the soil because the saw an ad in a magazine this afternoon.

      As for early adoption of technology being a lust for shiny things, sorry, that just isn't the case. Farmers are actually very hesitant to try new technology until it has been proven. As the GP said, farmers have been using GPS systems in their machinery years before they became common in everybody's cars, but they weren't a $49.95 box they could buy at Walmart either. These systems cost tens of thousands of dollars by the time they were installed, so they had to be proven to be beneficial. That GPS system may allow a tractor to drive in straighter rows down the field with better accuracy than a human driver. Spacing rows an extra 2 inches apart on each pass of the tractor, multiplied by hundreds of passes on a field, works out to a lot of wasted space, which means a lot of fuel wasted, time wasted, and a greater environmental impact. While farmers may have been an early adopter of GPS compared to the consumer market, rest assured that years of testing and proving were done before the farmer was convinced it would pay for itself. Those yield maps you talk about enable farmers to apply as little chemical as possible to each individual area of a field, thereby altering the "natural" soil balance as little as possible. This also saves money on the expensive chemicals, and lessens the needed chemicals in following years when different crops are grown in order to keep the soil as balanced as possible.

      I grew up on a farm and decided I wanted to pursue another career when I graduated from school. I know from first-hand experience what kind of planning goes into making a farm work. It isn't just throwing out a handfull of seeds, applying a dozen chemicals, and reaping the rewards. Farming is a very difficult vocation not only in the physical sense, but the intellectual sense as well. The only "dumb" farmers I've ever known didn't farm for very long before they went broke and went on to other work. I know my family sure would like to get all these subsidies that all farmers are supposed to be getting, but unless you're a multi-thousand acre corporate farm, they're few and far between.

      With that said I wholeheartedly agree that we as a society use too much corn syrup and chemicals in our foods. There are a few recipes in the standard Betty Crocker Cookbook (even 30+ year old versions) that call for Kero (corn) Syrup, but they're all for treats that should be eaten sparingly anyway. I fully believe the preservatives and "chemicals used in the manufacturing process" of foods and food prep products are not good for us. This is not a result of the "dumb farmers" though, they are doing it as little as possible.

    25. Re:Farmers are often on the cutting edge by jollygreengiantlikes · · Score: 1
      Your comment, while having some merit, is full of troll happy stink bait.

      Growing up on a production ag farm and wanting to eventually end up back in the business I can make some reasonably informed reply to your generalizations.

      You say:

      Most I have talked to lately insist its impossible to produce food without chemicals, which just isn't true.

      Whether the studies you fail to cite are true or not, the fact remains that our culture is very demanding and often without awareness of the consequences. For agriculture to meet the needs of populations they need to either be close to the population so the food doesn't spoil, rely on expensive methods of transport to keep food fresh and/or have the raw food processed into something that will keep. For the people whose business it is to meet the needs of people who want food that lasts and is cheap and still tastes good, one solution is the above mentioned HFCS. I'm not arguing for or against - it's simply filling the need.

      As far as precision ag equipment - my experience has been that it is new enough (20+ years now - but yes, still 'new') that farmers are still understanding how to best put the tech to work. Granted, some of the challenge has been engineers who don't understand the industry well enough to make units that work appropriately for the conditions and tasks that precision ag requires.

      In the business I know best (my 2900 acre family farm), precision ag has been used first to map what production levels and soil nutrient levels are (look up grid soil sampling) and then to evaluate at what rate to apply fertilizer (mostly pig manure which has been sent to a lab to determine NPK). The ultimate goal is farming the land to it's potential. In this business (as some other commenters have mentioned), profits are often slim so not wasting fertilizer on ground where it could be washed away or putting more than is needed on the soil is not only wasteful but also potentially lethal to the business.

      JGG

    26. Re:Farmers are often on the cutting edge by jollygreengiantlikes · · Score: 1

      Your opinion - see my comment in response: http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1765200&cid=33374792

    27. Re:Farmers are often on the cutting edge by c0lo · · Score: 1

      What stops them to buy an eReader and ask the magazine be delivered in electronic format, with all the multimedia ads they want?

      In a lot of parts of the world, an internet connection

      Internet is not the only method of delivery of binary content. An USB stick (even CD-ROM) is still less expensive that a video advert embedded on dead-tree page.

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    28. Re:Farmers are often on the cutting edge by twitcher101 · · Score: 1

      Duly noted. I work with a wide variety of farmers, so I really shouldn't overgeneralize. Unfortunately, for every farmer I meet who wants to farm smarter, I meet 10 who don't think about their actions, they just think about making money. The organics studies show that labor input goes up per acre, but you have higher drought resistance and therefore about 4% higher yield over time. The problem I have seen is that people are so far into debt with the chemical companies, they can't afford the transition. But in the long term, that fertilizer bill goes away... As long as consumers buy wider variety...

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    29. Re:Farmers are often on the cutting edge by twitcher101 · · Score: 1

      Duly noted, but as I said elsewhere, for every farmer like you I have met, I meet another 10 who just do what the chemical companies tell them to do... And I completely agree that consumption patterns have to change rather than putting all the onus on farmers to be "sustainable."

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  14. Old, August 2009 we had almost the same article by Teferison · · Score: 2, Informative

    1 year ago we had almost the same article on slashdot, without calling it "near-future sci-fi". http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/08/20/202243/A-Video-Ad-In-a-Paper-Magazine

  15. Cool tech by wvmarle · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Looking at this I was just thinking on how fast our technology moves.

    15 years ago CRT screens were still the norm, 10 years ago they were still going strong against the flat screen competition. Now we have screens that are so flat and cheap that they can be added to a magazine page.

    15 years ago playing video on your PC started to work, mostly. Not too high resolution and you're fine. Now we play video smoothly on our mobile phones. Video processors are now small enough to fit in a magazine page. The same for storage, even low res video requires a relatively large amount of memory.

    15 years ago my simple mobile phone needed recharging of its bulky battery at least every two days, when not using it much. Now batteries have the capacity to run a video player, a small screen, for a significant period of time, all while being small enough to fit in a magazine page.

    15 years ago I had a 120 MB hard disk in my computer, a quite reasonable size at the time. It served me well. Software came typically on small stacks of 1.44 MB floppy disks. Nowadays a magazine page can fit larger amounts of storage, at a mere fraction of the price.

    It is simply absurd how fast this tech is moving these days. A video in a magazine page was pure science fiction at the time. The idea that you would go to a web page (that did exist already) and click on a link to watch a video without the need for a lengthy download.

    We definitely live in exciting times for techies!

    1. Re:Cool tech by MORB · · Score: 1

      ...15 years ago a technology allowing one to browse news and read articles electronically began to make printed media obsolete.

      ...5 years ago the technology to embed videos inside of the above became popular.

      Basically internet made this "embed a video into a paper magazine" crap obsolete 5 years ago, before it was even invented.

    2. Re:Cool tech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Technology always moves faster than societies adopt it. It's a rule.

    3. Re:Cool tech by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      Many people say traditional news papers are obsolete. You can read the paper on the train on your iPad instead.

      True, but screen resolution is lower than newsprint, and the screen size is less. Reading a traditional paper is easier than reading it on a screen. And my daily newspaper costs just HK$7, the cheapest iPad HK$3888. That's 555 papers for one iPad. Or almost two years of buying newspapers, not counting the cost of buying the electronic version instead (they do not come free here). And by then today's iPad (if it survives that long) is definitely obsolete.

      So while there is newer tech, the traditional paper is not exactly obsolete. Same for magazines.

      Many people also say news agencies are obsolete. Everything you want to know you can find on Google News. The problem here is: how do you know what to search for in the first place? That's why you still need those news agencies.

  16. Excellent! by naich · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Sounds to me like a good source of cheap screens to hack and use with your favourite microcontroller.

  17. Wasteful by Trogre · · Score: 1

    Tch tch

    This may well be another nail in the coffin of print media. At the moment at least, by and large, any magazines you subscribe to can be chucked in a paper bin for later recycling. What is one meant to do with these monstrosities?

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    1. Re:Wasteful by delinear · · Score: 1

      Tear out the one offending page?

    2. Re:Wasteful by RoverDaddy · · Score: 1
      I'd say you're right, except that I've seen how well my neighbors recycle (living in a US apartment complex). 1) Lots of recyclable stuff still gets tossed in the garbage. 2) The recycling that is done is often done carelessly (I find stuff in the recycling bins that absolutely doesn't belong there).

      If this catches on, even if the paper still gets recycled, we'll have tons and tons of single-use LCD displays, batteries and circuit boards destined for landfill.

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  18. Effective but wasteful by chocobanana · · Score: 1

    Yes, this isn't interesting at all. It sure must be good at catching the attention of the reader which is one of the primary goals of advertising. But shouldn't this kind of technology be relegated to digital magazines? Why put expensive and environment damaging technology in such a thing as (most of the time) disposable media?

  19. Re:High Fructose Corn Syrup by Bayoudegradeable · · Score: 1

    Thank Mohammad/Jesus for High Fructose Corn Syrup. Our kids would be so damn skinny and frail without that fricken gem.

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  20. Boring by KritonK · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I wanted to watch the video on the magazine, for the geekiness of it, and was bored, watching the fancy graphics, while I was waiting for the name of the advertised product (which I have already forgotten, as the tech was more impressive than the name of an unknown product) to appear.

    Now that I've seen what it's all about, and the novelty is lost, there is no way I am going to wait 45 seconds per page, to watch a <censored> video, while leafing through a magazine. In fact, I won't even notice there is a video, as it took a couple of seconds for the video to switch on, by which time I will have turned the page. If they cannot attract my attention with what's printed on the page, I am not going to see their ad!

    This new technology does offer some interesting possibilities, though. Imagine, e.g., that I somehow get hold of my competitor's video, before it is published. I then create a video for my competing product, whose audio track is (inverse of competitor's audio track) + "competitor's products are useless" + (pitch for my product), then pay the magazine handsomely to publish my ad next to the competitor's, so that they are both activated when readers open the magazine at that page. Loads of fun!

  21. Codec by dimethylxanthine · · Score: 1

    I wonder which video codec they decided upon. I would imagine they'd pick OGM or VP8 to (considerably) reduce overhead by avoiding shelling out to MPEG.

    1. Re:Codec by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      The cost of playing back OGM or VP8 in software would require costlier hardware (more powerful CPU required) and would lower the playback life of the batteries. It's less complicated and costs less overall to just go with MPEG-4 or H.264.

      Who knows, maybe it's even MPEG-1. Storage space for such a small and short video wouldn't be that high.

      Or maybe it's something else entirely and they're using an old CODEC used by videogames a decade ago. Let's say the one from Diablo II.

  22. Pesticides always first? by SharpFang · · Score: 1

    Interestingly, the very first commercial in Polish TV after beginning of transformation towards capitalism was for Prusakolep, a bug bait with pesticide against the German cockroach, (Croton bug, Steam fly, Blattella germanica).
    It wasn't all that much of a problem really and it being the first and only commercial on tv for quite a while (and run pretty frequently) it was pretty much leaving many people stumped, wtf is this about...

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  23. Will these be coming to Hustler? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just a thought.

  24. Re:Fake? by careysub · · Score: 1

    I suspect a fake, though I would have a hard time trying to demonstrate it. Just one thought : who would be willing to pay the huge costs this ad represents?...

    Reading TA it is revealed that only a small specially selected group of farmers got it, like farmers with over 1000 acres. At a price of $8000 an acre in Iowa, that means only operations with capitalization in excess of $8 million received the ad (which cost $50). So the answer is - a company running a targeted campaign to customers who might buy tens of thousands of dollars of their product annually. Some years ago a single click on an Overture search engine ad for the key word "data recovery" was worth $25 due to hefty sum a convertible lead would bring.

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  25. Not the first ... by gstoddart · · Score: 1

    I don't think this is the first instance of this technology. I remember hearing about it last year. It was CBS and Pepsi.

    It was discussed last August.

    This is now a year after the first people did this. I suspect Slashdot covered it then too.

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  26. Apple's response by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

    Ads for content shown on the iPad will now arrive in your physical mailbox, in post-it form. Digital newspapers will have empty dotted rectangles where you can apply the ads of your choice.

    Hackers all over the world will attempt to re-use the post-its for other purposes, with limited success.

  27. hack it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    would be fun to plop some different video into the mag of the guy across from you on the bus...

  28. Re:Fake? by pspahn · · Score: 1

    I'll have to ask around. While we don't have 1000's of acres (more like 70) but our annual revenue is probably 40-50x / acre of that an average produce grower. I'm pretty sure I can get my hands on one if make a few calls.

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  29. Video adverts made me stop watching TV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What makes you think they wont make me stop reading your magazine or newspaper as well?

  30. So THAT'S how they did it! by MadGeek007 · · Score: 1

    The muggles have discovered magic. Cower in fear!

  31. Not Really Impressed by ikeman32 · · Score: 1

    When they have the video technology of the Minority Report and can dynamically update a news paper, then I will be impressed and maybe just a bit nervous.