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Microsoft Complaints Help Russian Gov't Pursue Political Opposition Groups

asaz989 writes "The New York Times reports that Russia selectively pursues software piracy complaints from Microsoft in order to suppress the opposition — confiscating computers for evidence, searching offices, and the like. Microsoft lawyers usually back the authorities in such cases, even when cases such as that of the environmentalist group Baikal Waves, which went out of its way to buy licenses to prevent police harassment and nevertheless had its offices raided, and its computers confiscated. Microsoft participated in this legal process. Published alongside this story, under the same byline, is a related piece on the collusion of Microsoft lawyers with corrupt Russian police in extorting money from the targets of software piracy investigations. In a responding press release, the company states, 'Microsoft antipiracy efforts are designed to honor both [antipiracy concerns and human rights], but we are open to feedback on what we can do to improve in that regard.'"

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  1. If ever there was a perfect reason to switch.. by phaggood · · Score: 5, Insightful

    to open source, this is a prime example. Sheesh!

    1. Re:If ever there was a perfect reason to switch.. by dnaumov · · Score: 5, Insightful

      to open source, this is a prime example. Sheesh!

      How would switching to open source help when you are getting raided on the PRETENSE you are using pirated software? You could be using a lab full od Linux PCs and still get raided to ensure you are "in compliance".

    2. Re:If ever there was a perfect reason to switch.. by zlogic · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Russian authorities often (but luckily not always) decide that if you're using Linux, you have something to hide. After all, the interface is completely different so this must be an evasive move to prevent authorities from searching for incriminating stuff with Windows Explorer's Search function. Automated tools for extracting web history, chat logs and email cannot be launched on a Linux machine. Also, the OS can be modified to hide stuff or do some nasty hacking shit. And no, I'm not joking.

    3. Re:If ever there was a perfect reason to switch.. by ozmanjusri · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Microsoft is in cahoots with the police, both in this instance and when they extort money from businesses on license checks (a la BSA).

      Why would you pay to use the products of an entity that is blackmailing you?

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    4. Re:If ever there was a perfect reason to switch.. by Ogi_UnixNut · · Score: 5, Interesting

      That sounds like the same crap we get from law enforcement here in the UK. If a police officer sees a PC that does not run windows, they usually assume you are hiding something from them. I've actually heard them refer to it as "that hacker system". Seems that unless you are running Microsoft software (or a Mac running OSX), they will generally suspect you of something. Primarily because they seem to think that if you are not using Windows, it's a deliberate ploy to prevent their "forensic tools" and "experts" from prying, and that you are using it for "non-legal" purposes.

      God forbid they ever look at my laptop, in addition to it not being windows, it starts up in command line mode, and has encrypted partitions and files all over the place. I would not like to find out what explaining that to them would be like (let alone what would happen if they don't believe me).

    5. Re:If ever there was a perfect reason to switch.. by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You have to buy something with a shiny hologram for it to be legit, even be it merely a Linux dist burnt onto a CD-R.

      To be legit in Russia, you have to pay the correct bribes, and follow the correct political line. After all, holograms can be faked, but groveling cannot.

    6. Re:If ever there was a perfect reason to switch.. by Mongoose+Disciple · · Score: 2, Funny

      I would not like to find out what explaining that to them would be like (let alone what would happen if they don't believe me).

      My money's on the $5 wrench. :)

    7. Re:If ever there was a perfect reason to switch.. by commodore64_love · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't. Last MS product I bought was Office 97.

      Anyway while individual business owners may have morals, corporations are not owned by anybody (except stockholders). They do not reflect a desire for morality, but Id esire to increase the monetary income and don't give a frak about human rights. As we see with how Microsoft and Apple* treat individual citizens.

      *
      *I'm thinking of the case where a British guy had his iPod start smoking and then blowup. Apple refused to replace it. Then they changed their minds and said they would, but only if the man agree o give up his Right to free speech (about the ipod) for the rest of his life.

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    8. Re:If ever there was a perfect reason to switch.. by commodore64_love · · Score: 5, Interesting

      >>>That sounds like the same crap we get from law enforcement here in the [A$]. If a police officer sees a PC that does not run windows, they usually assume you are hiding something
      >>>

      where A$ == EU, US, Canada, Australia, and so on. I don't think this is necessarily government poliy, but merely the innate instinct of human being to distrust things that are strange or unfamiliar to them.
      .

      >>>I would not like to find out what explaining that to them would be like

      Good grief... NEVER TALK TO POLICE. Exercise your inalienable right to speak freely AND exercise your inalienable right to not speak/ remain silent. See this video. Part 1 is the law professor, and Part 2 is the cop whose job is to entrap you into admitting guilt, even if you are completely innocent - http://youtu.be/i8z7NC5sgik
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    9. Re:If ever there was a perfect reason to switch.. by eugene2k · · Score: 4, Informative

      >You could be using a lab full od Linux PCs
      In fact three of the computers taken ran Linux.

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    10. Re:If ever there was a perfect reason to switch.. by Erikderzweite · · Score: 2, Insightful

      AC is right though. There is business of selling shiny licenses for Linux' distributions, even Mandriva does that in Russia. Shiny papers are usually enough to shake off the raids. If the government want to disrupt your business badly however, no amount of licenses will help.

    11. Re:If ever there was a perfect reason to switch.. by hoggoth · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Bullshit, bullshit, and more bullshit.

      Every decision is made by a human being. I am tired of "corporations" getting a pass for immoral decisions because they are not people, but imaginary entities. Every corporation is run by people who sit behind a desk and decide what to do.

      Every clerk who kills someone by denying them medical coverage is committing an immoral act.
      The Microsoft exec who decided he could make his quarterly numbers by assisting in mafia-style protection and harassment cons against Russian companies is committing an immoral act.

      Never forget that. Don't let it slide. When evil is done, someone made the decision to do it.

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    12. Re:If ever there was a perfect reason to switch.. by hoggoth · · Score: 2, Informative

      In addition, everyone should read Stanley Milgrim's research (the original and some of his newer work). All people are capable of doing good or evil in the right circumstances. If even a SINGLE person says 'no' it breaks the spell of obedience and many more people start saying 'no' as well. A single act has powerful repercussions even if it doesn't seem so at the time.

       

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    13. Re:If ever there was a perfect reason to switch.. by commodore64_love · · Score: 2, Interesting

      >>>cite a reasonable number of instances where random people in the West have been stopped and their laptops inspected.

      Youtube has dozens of videos where people were asked to do exactly that. Frankly it amazes me that you (and many others) have never seen these vids. They are right there within easy access. There are also videos of cops dragging citizens out of their cars and beating them, even though said citizen had done nothing wrong (except refuse to consent to a search w/o warrant).

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    14. Re:If ever there was a perfect reason to switch.. by hoggoth · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You are stretching the meaning of my post to make a point in your agenda.
      I think most people understand what I was talking about.

      Someone pays their premiums month after month, year after year. The day they get cancer the insurance company finds some technicality in their original application and cancels their insurance. That is wrong. That is immoral and daresay it evil.

      If someone submits a claim for something they truly aren't covered for or stops paying their premiums, of course that is different. The insurance company made a deal with it's customers: you pay monthly premiums and we will pay for your medical costs, according to the rules in the policy. Changing the rules later, or hiding loopholes in the rules to renege on upholding their part of the bargain is immoral and unethical, even if it isn't always illegal.

      This has nothing to do with "Obama". Corporations doing bad things is much older than the current infatuation with those darn "socialist liberal progressives".

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    15. Re:If ever there was a perfect reason to switch.. by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How often does this happen? 1/10th of a percent? Let's not make a big deal about a problem that is actually quite small...

      Note that somewhere between 500K-1M persons are diagnosed with cancer each year and that ~550,000 die each year from the disease, a conservative estimate of somewhere between 5 and 15 million people are currently diagnosed with and being treated for cancer. If we take your 0.1% as a figure of cancellation, this means that we would have somewhere from 5-15K people who fall under your small problem - and that would be each year. Given that we have just undergone our annual week-long grief-fest for an attack that took only 2740 American lives, perhaps we should take just a little time to worry about things that destroy 2-5 as many lives each year. And, BTW, even though, as you termed it, "Pelosicare" (and, BTW, nice unecessary political troll there) does proscribe denial on pre-existing conditions, it does not proscribe raising rates to unsustainable levels once conditions are diagnosed. Of course, someone like you probably thinks that this is fine.

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  2. Troll story? by iONiUM · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You know, while I know it's popular opinion to hate on Microsoft on slashdot, doesn't it seem to me that it's the Russian government abusing their own laws in order to screw the opposition, rather than Microsoft sitting there plotting how to hurt people? If it wasn't this, it would be something else.

    Just sayin'..

    1. Re:Troll story? by DarkKnightRadick · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yes, but Microsoft is apparently in collusion to help the police in these cases. That's disgusting. Absolutely disgusting and it would be so no matter if it was Apple, Google, or some other software vendor.

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    2. Re:Troll story? by blackraven14250 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You know, while I know it's popular opinion to hate on Microsoft on slashdot, doesn't it seem to me that it's the Russian government abusing their own laws in order to screw the opposition, rather than Microsoft sitting there plotting how to hurt people? If it wasn't this, it would be something else.

      Just sayin'..

      Well, modern Russia is known for extreme corruption, literally from the level of local police up to the top. They will use any method possible, regardless as to Microsoft's involvement.

      I was watching Fareed Zakaria GPS about 2 weeks ago, and he had a guy on whose business was literally stolen by local police. They raided the offices, took a set of papers required to own the business as part of the raid, transferred it to an inmate's name, who was serving a long sentence, then had a shell corporation sue the business. The judge entered a billion-dollar judgment within a day. Then, the lawyer who discovered all of this testified against the cops. He got thrown in jail for 6 months, where his water purifier was stolen while he was moved around a whole bunch of times in the prison, and eventually died there.

      William Browder was the man running Hermitage in Russia before this whole thing happened.

    3. Re:Troll story? by Draek · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, but if it had been Apple or Google only the corrupt lawyers would've been blamed and not the whole organization.

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    4. Re:Troll story? by bsDaemon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Modern Russia? You must have Russia confused with a country that has ever been free. The went from the Czars to the Bolsheviks, and have since been lead by a string of oil barons and former KGB officers nostalgic for the old days. I mean, really... has that country ever had anything approaching freedom since the original Viking settlers headed out there in the middle ages?

    5. Re:Troll story? by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Abusing its own laws? They're the government, for crying out loud. Laws are their toys. They own them. They can do what they want. This notion the the laws are somehow sacrosanct is a decadent Western invention.

    6. Re:Troll story? by DarkKnightRadick · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Only because Apple and Google don't have a history of being corrupt as a whole.

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    7. Re:Troll story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Google can't even do business in China without being accused of being "evil", so I can't really fathom what you're trying to say. What Microsoft is doing here is a lot worse than censoring search results, and yet you're saying Google gets free passes in the press?

      I think you may want to examine you biases.

    8. Re:Troll story? by CheshireCatCO · · Score: 4, Informative

      In as much as Microsoft isn't stepping up to clear the names of groups (like Baikal Wave) that have legitimate copies of their software, but are apparently helping the police bully groups that don't, I think you're missing the point. Microsoft isn't just a pawn in this, they're actively helping the state and not helping innocent victims. They're making definite choices who to assist and it's not a purely business decision. (Clearing the your customers of stealing from you is good business.)

    9. Re:Troll story? by Erikderzweite · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Russia's government wants to join the WTO badly. Software piracy is cited as one of the major obstacle for them. So they need to conduct anti-piracy raids. And while they're at it, why not smash some anti-government groups in the process?

      For Microsoft it is business as usual — they get their share of "buy licenses" PR without risking backlash from the government (which will happen if they sue wrong people).

      The priorities are somehow wrong in TFA and in popular opinion on /. IMO. Opposition groups are pawns here, seen as expendable by both government and Microsoft. Russia's government isn't facing any real competition right now, they can afford to ignore such groups altogether. Neither is Microsoft going to lose the vast marketshare gained by pirates for them.

    10. Re:Troll story? by sjames · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I once convinced a client to go with a non-MS solution by calling MS and asking how many of what license would be required. Everyone on both sides of the conversation ended up confused and no once and for all answer emerged. No assurances were offered that the setup would be considered license compliant.

      If THEY don't know what is necessary to be compliant on any given day, how is anyone else to know? If you can't know, how can you comply?

      I agree that if a company is going to use MS products it should attempt to comply. Really, the rational move given the uncertainty, cost of internal compliance auditing, and the cost of licenses in the first place, is to use Free Software and stop worrying. If the BSA can't show a valid EULA between you and one of their member companies, they cannot barge in.

    11. Re:Troll story? by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2, Informative

      has that country ever had anything approaching freedom since the original Viking settlers headed out there in the middle ages?

      It did. It lasted for about 13 hours, while the Constituent Assembly - the first body in Russia ever formed in a truly democratic elections, and representing all people of the country, was operating.

      If you look back long enough, well, there was also the Grand Duchy of Lithuania (which was culturally half-East Slavic, consisted in large parts from the lands previously belonging to Kievan Rus; and chunks of which remain today in modern Russia), and also Novgorod and Pskov veche republics. But how much political continuity is there between those states and today's Russia is a very contentious question.

  3. Easy solution! by DWMorse · · Score: 4, Funny

    Bring back Clippy! You'll notice a sharp drop in piracy immediately.

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    1. Re:Easy solution! by Sulphur · · Score: 2, Funny

      Clippsky, I notice a recent install; can I help you connect to the Internet?

  4. Welcome to the third world by hessian · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Third world countries tend to be run by juntas, warlords, oligarchs and strongmen. They're like having the Mafia, except as your official government.

    If you want to get anything done in these countries, you make nice with them. Either that, or you have to overthrow them.

    This is why the CIA is routinely in bed with horrible people -- these horrible people run the horrible countries where they need to get things done.

    Western businesses have taken a massive beating in Russia because everything is corrupt (Russia, as a country with minimal rule of law and an average IQ of 96, qualifies as third-world). They've started to play ball because short of that invasion, it's the only option.

    In this case, while Microsoft is doing evil, it's also a necessary evil if they want to do business in Russia.

    1. Re:Welcome to the third world by Draek · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The fact that you call Russia of all things a "third world" country shows you couldn't find your way out of your ass with a flashlight and a map.

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    2. Re:Welcome to the third world by Zironic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Russia by definition can't be a third world country as they define the second world, now even if they didn't how the fuck can you put Russia in the same category as Nigeria? Do you have any sense of proportion whatsoever?

    3. Re:Welcome to the third world by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 5, Informative

      Russia by definition can't be a third world country as they define the second world

      Soviet Union defined the "second world". That country is no more.

      how the fuck can you put Russia in the same category as Nigeria?

      As of 2008:

      Population
      Russia: 142 021 thousand
      Nigeria: 140 003 thousand

      Gini coefficient
      Russia: 40.5
      Nigeria: 43.7

      Corruption index
      Russia: 143rd place
      Nigeria: 147th place

      Average male life expectance
      Russia: 58 years
      Nigeria: 52 years

      Mortality rate
      Russia: 16,04 deaths per 1000 people
      Nigeria: 16,68 deaths per 1000 people

      Property right protection index
      Russia: 63rd out of 70
      Nigeria: 64th out of 70

      Number of citizens in favor of democracy
      Russia: 47.8%
      Nigeria: 44.2%

      Number of citizens claiming that stability is more important than freedom of speech
      Russia: 47%
      Nigeria: 43%

      Press freedom index ("Reporters without borders")
      Russia: 144th out of 169
      Nigeria: 131st out of 169

      Ease of doing business index (World Bank)
      Russia: 106th out of 178
      Nigeria: 108th out of 178

      Economic freedom index (WSJ / Heritage Foundation)
      Russia: 120th out of 171
      Nigeria: 131st out of 171

      Global peace index (IEP)
      Russia: 118th out of 121
      Nigeria: 117th out of 121

      The economies of both countries rely mostly on export of natural resources, primarily oil and gas.

      If you thought that Brin was joking when he said that "Russia is Nigeria with snow", then you were wrong. He actually meant precisely what he said, and numbers back it up.

      Oh, and in case someone might want to attack me as an "ignorant American clueless of other countries", I'm Russian.

  5. NGOs should use Free Software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There isn't one reason for NGOs continue to use microsoft software, in fact there are lots of reasons to not use it!

  6. Uh by jav1231 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "but we are open to feedback on what we can do to improve in that regard.'"
    Of course, such feedback might make you a target but hey...

    Microsoft is inherently evil. Like kicking puppies.

  7. in soviet russia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    In Soviet Russia, Microsoft Helps you!

  8. What is tested over Russia ... by AHuxley · · Score: 2

    Usually finds its way into the USA.
    The trick could be to have a software license issue appear as a "debtor" issue to a local US court.
    Stop using MS products and you can escape the phone home license, summons for the user to appear in court, warrant for arrest cycle.
    The idea to show a US trade group that pirated software is a serious issue and suppress the opposition is rather creative.
    But like with Nokia Siemens, the truth can surface.

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  9. From TFA by andy1307 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Microsoft executives in Moscow and at the company’s headquarters in Redmond, Wash., asserted that they did not initiate the inquiries and that they took part in them only because they were required to do so under Russian law. After The New York Times presented its reporting to senior Microsoft officials, the company responded that it planned to tighten its oversight of its legal affairs in Russia. Human rights organizations in Russia have been pressing Microsoft to do so for months. The Moscow Helsinki Group sent a letter to Microsoft this year saying that the company was complicit in “the persecution of civil society activists.”

    1. Re:From TFA by AHuxley · · Score: 2, Informative

      http://tinyurl.com/2usjw6p [yhrm.org] has a link to a letter sent back ~April 15 2010.

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  10. What piracy really is by airfoobar · · Score: 3, Informative

    "Copyright as censorship" is not a new idea. In fact, it's what copyright was originally meant to be when it was first devised, and now it's simply returning to its roots. With the far-reaching scope of intellectual "property" today, pretty much anyone can be accused of piracy, and oppressive governments can just pick who they want to target and point their finger.

    Companies like Microsoft are just being opportunists (read: "free-market capitalists") -- they know that if they are copyright holders, they have the power to negotiate with governments who are inclined to use copyright as censorship. Who knows what rewards Microsoft will get from the Russian government? Perhaps this is how that official Russian Linux distro was discontinued.

    And don't think the Russian government is the only one to do this sort of thing. Hardly! They are guilty of not being subtle about it, but the US government is just as bad. There's even a "Department of Homeland Security" conducting raids in the name of copyright, so yes I'd say we have a serious problem.

  11. This is a tough one by erroneus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    On one hand, Microsoft has a right to complain about copyright infringement. Even I will not deny them that. On the other, Microsoft is probably aware of the selective nature of how Russian officials investigate and act on those claims. Should Microsoft, imagining for a moment that they have any sort of conscience, contribute to the oppression of human rights by issuing complaints?

    As another pointed out, running Linux and free software on every machine will not quite end the problem. After all, Microsoft has long since campaigned against "naked PCs" and that they are likely to be software pirates unless they were sold with OEM Windows and OEM Office. Their complaints may well be in the form of "they are running PCs but we show no indication that they have licensed any software from us!" That would be reason enough, I suspect, to raid a location or two.

    So, I have decided that Microsoft is a willing and complicit tool in this case. They can't not be aware of how their complaints are being used given their selective enforcement nature. And as far as Russian government officials are concerned, we are generally aware of the levels of government corruption within ex-Soviet countries. (I'll grant that the impression of government corruption in Russia is rather "cartoonish" in our understanding which is essentially belief without first-hand knowledge or evidence.) Microsoft should be more careful about issuing complaints. They aren't making examples of software pirates, in these cases, they are just being used as a weapon to "legitimately" attack political opponents.

    1. Re:This is a tough one by OneMadMuppet · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I live in Ukraine, and often travel to Russia, so my knowledge is first hand. Corruption and bribery is institutionalised in the CIS - it a way of live, and it's not going to change. People can't imagine not bribing officials to get things done. In 2007 bribery in Russia was worth $33bn - more than the GDP of Lebanon or Kenya.

  12. No need for that in the UK! by Mathinker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    > My money's on the $5 wrench. [xkcd.com]

    Refusal (and therefore, I suppose, inability) to surrender your encryption keys in the UK is a crime. I suppose trying to use some system with deniability might be of use, but given the spirit of that law, I don't see it as an impossibility that the court would merely presume (based on other "evidence") that you have used the deniability features of whatever encryption system is installed, and jail you for not surrendering the (presumed) keys (even if you haven't used those features).

    1. Re:No need for that in the UK! by Ogi_UnixNut · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Indeed, a really messed up law, although really convenient if you want to put someone away for a limited time.

      Assuming you have some access to their computer, All you have to do is place some files full of random data with an extension of "gpg" then anonymously tip off the cops that you saw your target viewing CP on their laptop. They arrest the guy, confiscate the laptop, find the files (which look like encrypted containers) and demand an encryption key that doesn't exist. Unless the guy somehow can convince them otherwise, he can get a 3 year stint in prison, even if he is totally innocent of the charges levied against him.

  13. Re:'cause it's all about money by Erikderzweite · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Microsoft is playing a win-win game in Russia (pun intended). First, pirated software invades the market and secures 99% of desktop OS and Office applications markets for them. Then, pressure is being put on government as piracy is cited as one of the top reasons which prevent Russia to join the WTO. Note that it is mostly US government which does the pressure there, not Microsoft. The company is just milking the market while getting rid of pirates which brought them the market in the first place.

    The best thing is — little to no MS involvement is needed: pirates will win the market as people would choose something that should cost money over something that shouldn't if both items cost the same. US will put a pressure on Russia anyway (and software sales are good exports too). The government in Russia will eagerly use piracy claims against opposition which they view as Western shills (for them it is using enemy's weapons against the enemy). Last but not least — companies and people will buy MS products as everybody is using them and government is after those who don't buy licensed copies. The business is being done for Microsoft, they just have sit back and collect the money.

  14. Re:'cause it's all about money by mcneely.mike · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I know..... but that's why i think people should stop and think about what they are doing once in a while, instead of using Windows because everyone uses Windows even though it is crap.

    People rag on about how weird Richard Stallman is, but he has been correct about pretty much everything.

    This shows us exactly why we should NEVER be using software that locks us in and can be used to harm us.

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  15. good question by Presto+Vivace · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why would you pay to use the products of an entity that is blackmailing you? Nobody ever won a war with their customers. Moreover, the message I get from this is that you can steal to your heart's content so long as you are not involved in political activism.

  16. Re:Open Source Software? by MightyMartian · · Score: 2, Interesting

    After spending three days trying to teach someone whose Windows XP machine barfed to use Windows 7 and Windows Live Mail all I can say is "Bullshit!" to the learning curve argument. I wager at the end of the day she (and I) would have been further ahead to have thrown Kubuntu on their and used Thunderbird for the mail client.

    The best part about Windows Live Mail was when she tried to open some PowerPoint files, and it refused to open them, and I had to go into the registry to alter the class settings to turn "Show" into "Open". Yeah, that's a really easy learning curve there.

    The argument may have made some sense even five or six years ago, but the better Linux distros have had hardware detects that are nearly as good as Windows. I haven't had Debian or Ubuntu barf on any of the workstation or server machines I work with in about three years.

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  17. Corrupt journalists are covering riches by FilatovEV · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Don't be fooled by the article. The Baikal environmentalists are confronting not the interests of the government, but interests of the enterprise owner, a person in the top 100 Forbes list. Read Russians' comments, and see who are they blaming. http://tinyurl.com/25658g4 Overall, dudes, try to speak with the people in Russia, rather than reading about them in your national press. You'll see that real Russians are all but not their depictions in the New York Times articles.

    1. Re:Corrupt journalists are covering riches by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2, Informative

      The Baikal environmentalists are confronting not the interests of the government, but interests of the enterprise owner, a person in the top 100 Forbes list.

      And the difference is?.. the present-day Russian government is the government of people inhabiting the top 100 of the Forbes list.

  18. doesn't Microsoft's license state you accept this by Locutus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've heard of many US school systems being forced to pay for expensive audits without any proof of wrong doing and that the Microsoft license agreement they and everyone else has to accept to use Windows allows this. So it does not matter how careful you are to make sure you are legal, Microsoft and a pal( the government ) can use this and be 100% legal since you agreed to it when you said OK to the license.

    As for the US schools, Microsoft only stopped doing that once a few of them threw away all their Microsoft software and went with GNU/Linux and open source software and then started spreading the word how much money they were saving doing that. Word was spreading, or was it fear, of what Microsoft was doing so lots of education systems were getting interested in GNU/Linux until Microsoft agreed to stop the audits.

    LoB

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    "Anyone who stands out in the middle of a road looks like roadkill to me." --Linus