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Adobe Releases New 64-Bit Flash Plugin For Linux
TheDarkener writes "Adobe seems to have made an about face regarding their support for native 64-bit Linux support for Flash today, and released a new preview Flash plugin named 'Square.' This includes a native 64-bit version for Linux, which I have verified works on my Debian Lenny LTSP server by simply copying libflashplayer.so to /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins — with sound (which I was never able to figure out with running the 32-bit version with nspluginwrapper and pulseaudio)."
Did you even look at the page? There is a 64bit version for Windows!
I could be wrong. But I think because so far implementation of a 64Bit code have been easier on linux than windows.
From the site: Download plug-in for 64-bit Windows — for all other browsers (EXE, 3.2 MB) So I think there is a 64 bit for windows too (not that I use windows so I'm not really sure)
Well in fairness haven't linux users been waiting longer? Seems to me Microsoft haven't exactly been forging ahead when it comes to 64bit.
If you look at the downloads, theres 64-bit for Windows, Mac, and Linux.
Probably because linux users are prone to bouts of highly vocal nerd rage. I know I am.
What version were we at when adobe yanked this a few months ago?
From the download page
"Windows 32-bit: Download the Flash Player "Square" for 32-bit Windows uninstaller 64-bit: Download the Flash Player "Square" for 64-bit Windows uninstaller Go to your download folder. Find the uninstaller file, double-click it and follow the prompts."
Windows has got one two!
What would really interests me more is, if it has a suitable performance.
Right now I only use flash, if my room temperature drops to low.
How do I uncompress my MD5 archive?
After several people actually read TFA and told me that there is indeed a Windows version, I'm going to post a slight correction to my original comment:
I was wrong.
But I mean, misleading headline much? Why not say all OSes got 64-bit. Do they expect us to read the article or something? Honestly..
The summary is just bollocks as usual, don't worry. It's not linux getting a 64 bit version, it's all the platforms flash was available on getting one. Both Mac OS and Windows got a 64 bit version today too.
I've been using the 64bit flash beta for linux for a while, and it has always been the best implementation I have seen....very speedy and stable. Is this actually an improvement, or just changing from beta to stable?
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I'll believe it when I see a successive series of releases supporting Linux, rather than one-off updates, especially with regards to security updates. Plus all the stuff about "well Linux isn't standard so we'll implement stuff only for Windows" makes it even more clear that Flash needs to be replaced unless they show results regarding supporting all platforms equally.
Nothing against linux, but why does linux get a 64-bit plug-in and Windows is still sitting around forcing users to use 32-bit versions of browsers in order to use plug-ins.
If you had bothered to click the link before your fr1st p0st, you would have seen this includes 64-bit Windows versions as well.
Where the hell's the 64 bit version?!
Summation 2
The fact there's a download for Windows and Mac has been covered. so I'll go with this:
Because before Windows 7, no 64 bit home user Windows OS took off. xp 64bit was a butchery and a flop. Vista 64 bit was hardly heard of as there were no compatible drivers for anything. Windows 7 is the first consumer desktop OS which is readily available and accepted in 64 bit. There was no point to release one up until now. Handily, all three are released at the same time.
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Is it really faster than 10.0 r45?
I just tried this one for playing fullscreen video and indeed it appears use less CPU. But this computer computer is fast enough to make a difference. I wonder if it will improve playback on another computer that stutters on video with 100% CPU (although, a similar windows system plays HD flash video just fine).
I know flash gets much hate around here, but the old 64 bit version actually wokrs pretty well, and I must confess that I didn't uninstall in spite of the security holes. Now I can get an up to date version... rock. I will say that trying to use the 32 bit version using nspluginwrapper is like drilling a hole in your head, and I wonder how many complaints are really based around that rather than flash itself.
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so you have to download a single file and save it in a directory? sounds like a lot less trouble than the windows equivalent with probably involves some crappy InstallShield-like program where you have to scroll to the end of a mile long EULA (pronounced e-Yoolah) and tick agree before you can continue. And most likely topped off with a mandatory system reboot
Why not say all OSes got 64-bit. Do they expect us to read the article or something? Honestly..
If I remember correctly, for a long time there have been 32 bit and 64 bit flash plugins for Windows while Linux only had 32 bit versions; you needed a special software wrapper to use the 32 bit plugin on 64 bit Linux, and it didn't work too well for everybody.
So Linux getting a 64 bit plugin along with the other platforms IS newsworthy.
Because this is Slashdot, and there wouldn't be much discussion if the article wasn't consistently wrong. Even a random word generator would get things right more often than a Slashdot editor.
Do you really think that after all Linux has gone through to get more users, it'll be the number of bits on Flash to persuade them away from other OSs? Really? :)
But I mean, misleading headline much? Why not say all OSes got 64-bit. Do they expect us to read the article or something? Honestly.
In a word, "yes". You can't expect your opinion to be taken seriously if you haven't at least tried to get your facts (however limited/speculative/subjective/fanciful they may be) from the article straight first.
The other half of the story is that there was a 64 bit flash plugin for Linux (which we only got some considerable length of time after Windoze users got theirs) which was unceremoniously dumped. To make matters worse, Gentoo went and blocked all old 64 bit versions at the same time because of "security issues". (as if the new version didn't have security issues!)
If Adobe actually pays attention to "nerd rage" then why aren't they supporting VDPAU yet?
That would be far more relevant than supporting 64-bit.
Although spitting out a 64-bit should be considerably easier.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
because 64-bit linux has been mainstream for far far longer for linux users than 64-bit windows has for windows users.
we were using 64-bit circa 2004'ish
The word includes implies that it is not the only version. You merely made a false assumption based on a misinterpretation of what was actually in the summary. I agree the summaries are often wrong here, but in this case you are quite off base I'm afraid.
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Vista 64 bit was hardly heard of as there were no compatible drivers for anything.
At least some of this can be blamed on the fact that 64-bit versions of Windows Vista and Windows 7 doesn't load unsigned kernel modules except in a "Test Mode" that puts an always-on-top message on all four corners of the screen and which the user must manually turn on at boot time and reboot time. This means "Test Mode" and unsigned drivers automatically go away after a Patch Tuesday automatic restart. The price of signing your driver is chump change to a multinational peripheral maker but substantial (200 USD per year) to an individual hobbyist or low-volume maker of custom assistive input devices for people with disabilities. In fact, most certificate authorities don't even offer kernel-mode code signing certificates to individuals, so add on the annual fee for an LLC.
But that's the Windows way vs. the Linux way. The catch is, with the Linux way you have to figure out which directory it's copied to.
Wrong. Linux was already going 64 bit in 1993 when Linus was given an Alpha box. Had this event not happened, who knows whether his project would have become multi-platform so long ago, instead of being stuck on the awful x86.
The 64-bit plugin for Linux has never had hardware acceleration enabled. The 32-bit version does... maybe they've finally enabled it in this new version. I'll switch to this if that's the case... otherwise, I'm happy with my 32-bit plugin and smooth full screen video.
Right-click, Settings...
[x] Enable hardware acceleration
Looks promising!
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Even a random word generator would get things right more often than a Slashdot editor.
I disagree. This is what a random word generator got me:
Drawings can followed improved out sociable not. Earnestly so do instantly pretended.
True, it's close, but I still think the random word generator comes in second place.
There are also Mac OSX and Windows versions. http://www.thinq.co.uk/2010/9/16/adobe-releases-64-bit-flash-player/
The title is as such because Linux did have a 64-bit version for a long time, which was unexpectedly pulled a few months ago. Adobe have re-instated the 64-bit Linux version, but also they have now released 64-bit versions for other OSes too.
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Well in fairness haven't linux users been waiting longer? Seems to me Microsoft haven't exactly been forging ahead when it comes to 64bit.
Yes exactly. I've been trying to use 64-bit Linux as my desktop for 5 years now. At first I went ahead and did the 64-bit thing and worked with the 32-bit chroot'ed firefox/nspluginwrapper what the hell ever. In the end I just had enough with it being a crappy work around and had to use 32-bit Linux on my desktop. I'm glad they are finally giving it attention again before not having 64-bit linux becomes too limiting.
All the meanwhile, I haven't heard Windows users gripe and complain much that flash doesn't work for them very well. Most don't even know what 64-bit even is.
[quote]Windows 7 is the first consumer desktop OS which is readily available and accepted in 64 bit.[/quote]
From Wikipedia:
- Mac OS X v10.5 "Leopard" was released on October 26, 2007, [..] full support for 64-bit applications
- Windows 7 was released to manufacturing on July 22, 2009
Hulu hasn't worked with x86-64 for some time. Hulu blames flash, and Adobe blames Hulu. Wonder if this new vesion will fix things.
Uh, you must be new if you're posting dumbass assertions and then making 'are you new' comments when you have your idiocy pointed out.
Trying being humble and accepting it.
I really don't think we should encourage this. Flashers are perverts, and that is all there is to it. Some well meaning people might think that giving them a square plugin (I assume they mean butt plug) will keep their mind off it for a while, but it will just lead to greater depravity.
You don't know what you are talking about. In this context, "64 bit" refers to AMD64, the instruction set architecture which AMD developed. As the specs for AMD64 were released in 1999 and the first CPU supporting that architecture was launched in 2003 then it's rather obvious that linux couldn't have supported it in 1993. Moreover, if you still believe that "64-bit" means "it works on an Alpha" then please try to make this plugin work on an Alpha and tell us how it happens.
So, nice Rotsky you pulled there.
Or just wait for the distros to package it for you.
I always went to the oddball pronunciation of EULA and pronounced it like Euler angles - So it's "oila" It's much funnier that way.
With this new 64bit flash plugin hulu works via the browser no more need for the hulu desktop app.
Gnash works with youtube. Gnash development has picked up since Adobe dropped the 64bit support. And once you switch there is no reason to go back unless you enjoy your cpu melting and state of the art 0-days
Nothing against linux, but why does linux get a 64-bit plug-in and Windows is still sitting around forcing users to use 32-bit versions of browsers in order to use plug-ins. This is kind of ridiculous?
On the other hand, if it stays like this into the future maybe it'll promote linux adoption.
FFS, I haven't had any issues with 64bit in Windows. No, I don't do anything special, I just go to Adobe's site and download the 64 bit version after a fresh OS install. End of story. What's your problem? Or are you just Trolling again?
Why does linux get this? (Score:-1, Troll)
Doh!
Since PAE doesn't work too well in windows (releases meant for desktops at least) you'd expect more interest in switching to 64bit to get more than ~3.5GB usable memory. I guess people who install linux are more likely to experiment with new things to begin with so 64bit adoption is relatively high even if it doesn't really give so obvious benefits.
Yea, but we dont care about Mac or windows. Duh.
Flash sucks. We're stuck with it.
Let's hope light spark gives us an open alternative without the privacy and security issues.
And let's hope HTML5 audio and video tags take off.
but, but... I want ARM version for my Pandora console!
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That's the reason my home Windows workstation / gaming machine has a 64-bit version of Windows on it... it has 8GB of RAM (mainly for running VMs, but if I actually have Windows programs that can use it...)
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A sample size of one is surely not statistically significant enough to make an argument on.
locate libflashplayer.so ...
Note the point "Readily available". Mac OS doesn't really qualify as that due to the hardware restrictions (who can install it) and low install base (who has installed it: ~5% at most) His point is that Windows 7 (64-bit) is the first OS that is available but ALSO widely installed. Most (almost all) windows 7 machines installed on newer computers will be 64-bit. Windows Vista and even XP both had 64 bit clients as well; but what he means by not being widely availible was that they weren't installed by many users. This however ALSO includes Mac OS.
Hate to burst your bubble, but the poster said MAINSTREAM. DEC Alpha's were hardly mainstream. In that regard though, Microsoft actually released Windows for that platform back in 1993 as well. Nobody remembers now because almost nobody cared then.
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Last I checked, there was only one 64-bit browser for Windows that wasn't a preview release or beta, and that would be IE8.
Even if the people who visit this site use Windows, they don't generally use IE.
Ergo, 64-bit Flash plugin for IE has virtually no audience here.
That will surely change when Firefox releases a 64-bit Windows version, but until then, it's just a novelty.
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I wish I wasn't at work, I want to download it NOW before they change their minds again and take it offline! I barely caught the last 64bit Linux plugin in time!
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And I want it for my N900...well, a newer version at least...
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I was using the older beta and sites like hulu would not work. So I installed nspluginwrapper (32 and 64 bit) and then installed the 32 bit flash player and it was working pretty well.
I then tried this new plugin, and just removed the flash-plugin rpm. It played videos but when you right clicked it would hang the browser. So I removed nspluginwrapper (32 and 64 bit) and after that I haven't had any more issues with it.
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There appears to be no HW accel. on my ATI 9250 - still 100% CPU. On this very same hardware on previous Fedora, many moons ago, there was HW accel; full screen with little CPU util.. but I was likely running the 32bit version.
Huh? When I went to 32 to 64-bit Linux it was at least as easy as going from 32 to 64 bit Windows. The Flash Plugin was the only thing that became a PITA.
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When will they use the common installer system? Most software is simply available through some repository, but Adobe has to be different. Why can VLC be installed from a repository while they are not able to do so?
Tar.gz is not a good way. The manual dependency resolving is so outdated. The simple fact they made the same mistake again will cause me not to install it. The opensource version may not run as smoothly but it is easy to install.
Well, I might have a way, but it only works on a semi spherical planet in a vacuum.
God I love Arch Linux
yaourt -S flashplugin-prerelease
I have never had fullscreen youtube even usable at 480 before, now I can run it fullscreen at 1080p and the controls are perfectly smooth and only using 70% CPU!!!
I never though this day would come. *sniff*
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No, and I'm confused about what's going on here; Linux has had native 64-bit Flash since 2008... In fact, it was the *first* platform to get 64-bit flash.
So, what part of this is an "about face"?
I refuse to use any of the universal package systems out there because they are all junk. Each distro maintainer is free to create a package that wraps the .tar.gz if they choose. That is what Debian/Ubuntu and Arch do.
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Thanks for pointing out you're a n00b troll, and a pretty bad one at that! I'll be sure to ignore you in the future, as well as your shitty new comic you've suddenly associated with your arrogant stupidity! Cheers!
It is a pig. Playing videos with this uses about 5x the CPU and 35 watts more power as playing the same video with VLC (measured via a Kill-A-Watt). Details:
Running Ubuntu 10.04 on my Athlon II X4 635 in a 780G motherboard with on-board Radeon HD3200 graphics (using the Radeon driver), playing a 480p clip from Hulu scaled to 1080p full screenuses 220% CPU (eg, over two full cores). If I download the same video from hulu with get_flash_videos, I can play it in VLC with 35% CPU utilization (eg, less than 1/2 of a core). The VLC playback is smooth (as well as add and logo free), while the flashplayer playback is dropping frames.
Note that I tried both huludesktop and a chrome browser window, and got the same (terrible) performance.
I'm fairly certain that Windows has not had a 64bit version before now. GNU/Linux was the first operating system that got an early 64bit beta from Adobe.
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On the plus side, there is now a 64-bit plug-in for Windows. On the minus side, I just installed it, and whenever I go to a page with flash using Shiretoko (64-bit firefox), the browser just crashes. Sounds like a pretty easy plug-in to write...
What I don't get is why did/does Flash work in Opera 10.xx on my 64-bit version of Ubuntu 10.04 when it won't work in any other browsers for Linux? i.e. Firefox, Chrome, Chromium, etc...
Because there are lots of us who work at Adobe who have been very vocal internally about ensuring that Linux is a first class O/S and released at the same time as the other O/S's. That is why Linux is getting the 64 bit Flash Player. More and more of us are using Ubuntu and RHEL on the server (our enterprise ESB uses RHEL/(WebSphere || Weblogic || JBoss) as a reference implementation!). Now if we could only talk our bosses into CS5 for Linux.....
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The last new version of 64-bit flash was not released for Linux. This meant that if you wanted to run 64-bit flash in Linux you were stuck with several security holes that were already patched for everyone else. Most of us were stuck using awkward 32-bit wrappers to run flash in 64-bit Linux.
I have been using the old 64 bit beta at work with debian lenny and a chrooted 32 bit version at home with sidux (now called aptosid) 64bit without a problem- But I am not a heavy user of youtube maybe I was lucky.
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No one cares about the 3% of people that use Macs. I think it's 4% or so now, but still irrelevant. Not to mention the gp stated "consumer" desktop OS, not "fanatic" desktop OS. Everyone I know who uses a Mac uses one for one of two reasons: one) they are too fucking stupid to realize "free mouse cursors" and "free screen savers" are fucking spyware and hose their computer, or two) they are too stupid to see through the marketing ploy and think Macs are easier to use because they are too fucking stupid to realize that it's operator error and not an issue with the system.
I must be one of the few that have had no issues with 64-bit Linux and Flash. Been running 64 bit flash version 10.0 r42 for nearly a year now. No browser crashes, no flash freezes. Works a charm.
Of course, I've downloaded this latest version and installed it. Wouldn't be a linux geek if I didn't live somewhat on the edge. So far, works well.
My Flash plugin hasn't given any trouble either, since I installed it. But I was lucky to have grabbed a copy in time.
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PAE works fine in windows, server 2003 32bit handles it just fine, as did earlier versions of XP...
Newer 32bit desktop windows simply isn't licensed for use with more than 4gb of address space and thus won't let you use it... The restrictions are intentionally implemented as part of the licensing scheme, not a technical limitation of any kind. In fact, PAE is on by default to support the NX bit, support for memory above 4GB is explicitly disabled.
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Which would be simple if they'd stop fucking around and just open source their player code. After all, it's only the player, not the creator.
That this is getting released so shortly after Gnash 0.8.8, which now plays all Youtube content ? I installed the latest Gnash on my 64 bit Linux and it works great. I don't think it's worth my effort to try this the Adobe version now.
Hmmm... I thought the follow-up comment actually was humble and accepting, in a self-deprecating humor sort of way. Props to the nitwit for admitting it. :-)
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When did you last try? I had some troubles with debian/ubuntu early on, but I can't remember how long it's been since I had ANY 64-bit issues (except for some really old binary linux game I tried to run about 18 months ago, which needed an extra 32bit library sourced and installed).
Honestly, this whole article surprises me, because the 64-bit linux support is so good now, I thought flash WAS ported. If not, the wrappers work very well indeed.
What the hell? How many operating systems do you think there are?!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_operating_systems
NT for Alpha only supported 32bit addressing, and was built using a special compiler...
NT also ran on the 64bit Mips R4400, but this too was running in 32bit mode...
Linux can also run in 64bit mode on mips, sparc, s390 and powerpc.
The point is that 64bit linux has been tried and tested for far longer than 64bit windows, and it also has far more native 64bit applications available for it than windows does (most 64bit windows installs run predominantly 32bit applications)
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You may wish to try Minefield, (4.0 beta) if you can stomach using a beta. I've actually been using the nightlies for months and they're generally stable. You may want to try a release beta, however. (4.0b6 is good). There are 64-bit linux, Mac, and Windows versions.
Keep in mind that it's a beta, though and not intended for general consumption quite yet.
http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all-beta.html
Because I hate Flash, I have a separate Firefox profile specifically for using the plugin. (Yes, there are other ways to block flash, but that isn't helpful if you're trying to find which of 200 tabs started autoplaying on startup)
No issues here, either. It helps to use a manually-installed Flash, rather than relying on the Ubuntu repositories.
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The 64-bit plugin seems to be compiled with the optional lahf instruction, which makes it fail on a lot of videos, if your have an early 64bit CPU.
Adobe please fix it.
Actually, you're wrong. This is the first time the 64-bit version has been available for Windows or Mac. It was the Linux version that came first, by almost a year.
It's not a 64bit wrapper, this time.
/usr/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x00007f9280f9f000) /usr/lib/libXext.so.6 (0x00007f9280d8d000) /usr/lib/libXt.so.6 (0x00007f9280b27000) /usr/lib/libfreetype.so.6 (0x00007f92808a1000) /usr/lib/libfontconfig.so.1 (0x00007f928066c000) /lib/libpthread.so.0 (0x00007f928044e000) /lib/librt.so.1 (0x00007f9280246000) /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 (0x00007f927fc24000) /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 (0x00007f927f976000) /usr/lib/libatk-1.0.so.0 (0x00007f927f755000) /usr/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so.0 (0x00007f927f52b000) /usr/lib/libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0 (0x00007f927f30e000) /usr/lib/libpangocairo-1.0.so.0 (0x00007f927f101000) /usr/lib/libcairo.so.2 (0x00007f927ee7e000) /usr/lib/libpango-1.0.so.0 (0x00007f927ec33000) /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 (0x00007f927e9eb000) /usr/lib/libgmodule-2.0.so.0 (0x00007f927e7e7000) /lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 (0x00007f927e508000) /usr/lib/libssl3.so (0x00007f927e2d0000) /usr/lib/libsmime3.so (0x00007f927e0a5000) /usr/lib/libnss3.so (0x00007f927dd6c000) /usr/lib/libnssutil3.so (0x00007f927db4d000) /usr/lib/libplds4.so (0x00007f927d949000) /usr/lib/libplc4.so (0x00007f927d743000) /usr/lib/libnspr4.so (0x00007f927d507000) /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x00007f927d303000) /lib/libm.so.6 (0x00007f927d07f000) /lib/libc.so.6 (0x00007f927ccfc000)
/lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x00007f9281f77000) /usr/lib/libxcb.so.1 (0x00007f927cae0000) /usr/lib/libSM.so.6 (0x00007f927c8d6000) /usr/lib/libICE.so.6 (0x00007f927c6bb000) /lib/libz.so.1 (0x00007f927c4a4000) /lib/libexpat.so.1 (0x00007f927c27a000) /usr/lib/libXrender.so.1 (0x00007f927c070000) /usr/lib/libXinerama.so.1 (0x00007f927be6d000) /usr/lib/libXi.so.6 (0x00007f927bc5c000) /usr/lib/libXrandr.so.2 (0x00007f927ba53000)
~ shasum flashplayer_square_p1_64bit_linux_091510.tar.gz libflashplayer.so
119cc23b8b7e7131a7e2b84df17ef8941abb317f flashplayer_square_p1_64bit_linux_091510.tar.gz
63945787e32ed62d98a87810504d2d98321b4dcc libflashplayer.so
~ file libflashplayer.so
libflashplayer.so: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, stripped
~ ldd libflashplayer.so
linux-vdso.so.1 => (0x00007fff90649000)
libX11.so.6 =>
libXext.so.6 =>
libXt.so.6 =>
libfreetype.so.6 =>
libfontconfig.so.1 =>
libpthread.so.0 =>
librt.so.1 =>
libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 =>
libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 =>
libatk-1.0.so.0 =>
libpangoft2-1.0.so.0 =>
libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0 =>
libpangocairo-1.0.so.0 =>
libcairo.so.2 =>
libpango-1.0.so.0 =>
libgobject-2.0.so.0 =>
libgmodule-2.0.so.0 =>
libglib-2.0.so.0 =>
libssl3.so =>
libsmime3.so =>
libnss3.so =>
libnssutil3.so =>
libplds4.so =>
libplc4.so =>
libnspr4.so =>
libdl.so.2 =>
libm.so.6 =>
libc.so.6 =>
libxcb.so.1 =>
libSM.so.6 =>
libICE.so.6 =>
libz.so.1 =>
libexpat.so.1 =>
libXrender.so.1 =>
libXinerama.so.1 =>
libXi.so.6 =>
libXrandr.so.2 =>
libXcurso
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For sure they won't ever become so stupid. [VR-1988]
Now if we could only talk our bosses into CS5 for Linux.....
Don't forget Lightroom.
Although the showstopper is lack of colour management support.
Sigs are so 1990s. No way would I be seen dead with one.
I keep Flash under control with the Flashblock add-on. Until I click on it, a Flash element just shows an image of the Flash icon.
Why not use Flashblock so no flash appears until you hit the play button? That way only one flash that you specifically click gets played.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/433/
It is indeed, trying to be humble. I assume you made an error -- but it works better that way.
Linux is used a lot by visual effects companies (for workstations as well as for storage/rendering). They also tend to use Win/OS X for things like Photoshop; they would love CS5 on Linux.
Actually, I've met a lot of people who would love to switch to Linux, but are kept away by one critical app; usually it's Photoshop or some game. Adobe may not make as much as they do for Win/OS X, but there would be sales.
Saying "I'll probably get modded down for this" in a post is the best way to get it modded up.
On 64 bit Linux, I've always found the least hassle thing to do is just uninstall 64 bit Firefox and install 32 bit Firefox. Then I get my 64 bit OS for everything else and who really need a 64 bit browser.
You should not use 32-bit even if you have 3G of ram installed. Simply adding a 1G video card cuts your address space to below 3G already. Heck, even a 512M video card can do that. IF you have SLI, you easily can end up with under 2G of usable RAM.
PAE is bolted on segmentation on Intel processors and if you knew anything about programming you'll very quickly realize that segmentation is very bad. Personally, I run 64-bit Linux even on a 1G machine for performance reasons alone (you know, double the number of registers available to applications??)
But I mean, misleading headline much? Why not say all OSes got 64-bit.
Maybe whoever submitted the article just didn't care that the other OSes were getting it as well? I can't say that I do either.
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By that logic, Windows is the only “readily available” OS in the world, which seems like a fairly ridiculous assertion to make.
I think what they meant is that Windows 7 is the first version of Windows whose 64-bit version is being widely used on consumer desktops. Almost nobody used 64-bit XP or 64-bit Vista, but lots of people are choosing to use 64-bit Windows 7.
My biggest hope for the 64-bit Linux Flash was that Pandora will not crash. It crashed after only 10 minutes. Bummer.....
All OSes got 64 bit flash?
Please point me to the ones for Solaris and Linux Itanium.
I don't know if it's so much "not working well" as "artificially restricted". Desktop versions of 32-bit Windows can use use PAE... to go up to 4GB of memory from that ~3.5. Whoopee. Only the Enterprise versions of the server OSs can go higher.
Now i can waste the resources on a 64 bit machine too. If they would just FIX it i think they would have a lot of happy users.
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Looks like xkcd needs to be updated.
Pity it's only x86-64.
Guess that's the problem with closed source.
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Ditto, on the five years part. I bought an Opteron, intending to run 64 bit. I was still relying on Windows an awful lot, but WinXP 64 bit just didn't want to use my hardware properly. I downloaded the (then) most current Suse Linux, and everything "just worked". THAT was when I just dumped Windows. I installed Adobe's 64 bit test or alpha plugin quite a long while ago now - and it worked, sometimes. I'm ready to test drive this one!
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I don't really know, but I suspect that they did that just because this is a preview and they haven't bothered with packaging it yet.
Or, maybe, they realize that if they just release it as a .tar.gz, then the distros will package it up for them, and they don't have to do anything? I'm sure someone will package this up in a deb for debian, ubuntu, and similar. Meanwhile, someone *else* will package it as an rpm for Suse/RedHat/Fedora/etc.
As long as it's available as a tarball, and the license terms allow redistribution, packaging pretty much takes care of itself.
64-bit Opera apparently comes with the ability to run 32-bit Flash in a wrapper "out of the box". I didn't bother trying to fix Flash in my other browsers since it just worked in Opera.
Having spent so much time with Opera, I'm actually not sure I'll go back to FireFox as my main browser...
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Performance is terrible on my Xenix system. And it refuses to buffer properly over my 110 baud teletype. Damn flash.
ebuild is a form of wrapper. arch works the same way, except it's better designed than gentoo.
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which I have verified works on my Debian Lenny LTSP server by simply copying libflashplayer.so to /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins
Can we stop for a moment to appreciate the irony of doing this on Debian/IceWeasel? Debian is the ultimate in completely open-source Linux: so much that they created IceWeasel just to avoid using the Mozilla foundation's copyrighted logo. And so someone installed the closed source Flash player on it. Doing that is like a vegan becoming a cannibal.
During my latest 64-bit Mandriva Linux upgrade, I accidentally nuked the previous 64-bit plugin beta version, and I was dismayed to find Adobe no longer provided it on their site. After this /. article I rushed to the site to grab it just in case some corporate strategist makes it unavailable again... Works fine with Mandriva 2010.1 on Pentium D @3.2Ghz (don't laugh, I got the board cheap and the performance is more than adequate for my needs). Much better than the 32-bit plugin version with nspluginwrapper.
Not sure if I should thank them or not, though. Giving something, then capriciously taking it away, then giving it again would be bad behaviour in a real human.
Can anyone confirm if the ("not a bug") bug of requiring Flash to retain focus in full-screen mode has been fixed?
The only reason I still boot to Windows is if I want to watch some Flash videos in full-screen while working on a second monitor.
Thanks its working and no need to install nspluginwrapper and hundreds of dependencies. I have installed flash-player on my 64bit Fedora 13 under nswarpper which also installed hundreds of deps.
/usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins/ Or ~/.mozilla/plugins/.
Thanks to yum history features I have successfully uninstalled all the deps
Get ride of nswarpper and hell of deps
1. sudo yum history list nspluginwrapper (this gives me the ID)
2. sudo yum history info 12 (gives me the list of packages installed within transaction # 12)
Undo the transaction # 12
3. sudo yum history undo 12
1. Download the 64bit flash-player from http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html
2. To extract libflashplayer.so
tar zxvf flashplayer_square_p1_64bit_linux_091510.tar.gz
3. Copy the libflashplayer.so to firefox plugin directory
sudo cp libflashplayer.so
4. Restart Firefox
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Yeah I was running 64bit Ubuntu 8.10. Ended up switching back to 32bit because too many thing were an extra hassle and I only had 4Gb of memory in the first place...
Implemented as part of licensing, yes, but don't forget drivers too.
Are you SERIOUSLY thinking that Adobe is ready to let others have a look in their on-security-issue-per-day code base? :)
As opposed to all those mythical Itanium systems we home users have?
You might really be right, but that's unfortunately not what the sales team at Adobe thinks. Look in the forums there, and you'll see that they believe they can't make a single buck out of a Linux version.
Why Adobe chooses to not even say what version number they are releasing is beyond understanding....
But it is: 10.2.161.22
I was running an older Linux 64bit (I think it was 64 bit) version inside flashplayer-plugin-10.1.53.64-1mdv2010.1.rpm and it worked, but it crashed/froze often, requiring me to restart Firefox every few days (or more). This new version seems to run fine, but only time will tell if it is reliable.
32-bit
* Download active-x for 32-bit Windows -- for Internet Explorer only (EXE, 2.7 MB)
* Download plug-in for 32-bit Windows -- for all other browsers (EXE, 2.7 MB)
* Download plug-in for 32-bit Mac OS X32-bit (DMG, 8.7 MB)
* Download plug-in for 32-bit Linux (TAR.GZ, 4.1 MB)
64-bit
* Download active-x for 64-bit Windows -- for Internet Explorer only (EXE, 3.2 MB)
* Download plug-in for 64-bit Windows -- for all other browsers (EXE, 3.2 MB)
* Download plug-in for 64-bit Mac OS X (DMG, 8.7 MB)
* Download plug-in for 64-bit Linux (TAR.GZ, 4.1 MB)
Perhaps the definition of humble has changed but where I come from it means to be meek and not arrogant or prideful; he was definitely not meet and had a hint of arrogance.
If I remember correctly, last time they did a poll on this, there was like 50% IE users here. Not by choice, but a lot of people surf Slashdot at work, and a lot of workplaces force IE only.
I believe Fedora 13 now has that.
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Ahhh, much better...
He does have a point, actually. The kernel code had to be 64-bit clean before it could be ported to the AMD64 architecture. I assume most of that work was done when Linus had that Alpha box. Therefore, Linux was indeed going "64 bit" back in 1993, although AMD64 support itself was not done until 2004.
Windows NT also had an Alpha version as well, and I'm sure that was available mid 90s. I guess that the code for this eventually made its way into the modern Windows 64 bit OS. Microsoft were never very big on 64 bit until fairly recently though, so that probably explains why there has been a general lack of interest in 64 bit from third parties.
Linux has been much easier to use on 64 bit systems. I always assumed it was because of the open source nature of Linux. People are willing to port code for fun, while proprietary software houses have to rely on saleability before putting in the work, therefore meshing itself in a chicken/egg scenario.
That's the depressing story, each release gets more shiny but takes something else away in the background. When our secretarial staff went from NT4 to XP they suddenly hit file sharing problems purely due to licence restrictions for example. Vista and suddenly they couldn't get on the domain (fixed with a patch and command line tool). Most expensive retail version of Win7 and they can't get on the domain.
MS Windows can't even play with itself properly.
some crappy InstallShield-like program
What's wrong with InstallShield?
It's just as possible that those (cheap) workstations are 32-bit Windows XP.
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+1 for Adobe shizzle on *nix. Photoshop would be amazing. If Autodesk can do it, so can you.
If it weren't for the rocks in its bed, the stream would have no songs.
Power?
Mips?
Arm64?
Sparc64?
Just given up the fight to Intel/AMD? Lie back and enjoy it.
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.... err because there's so many of those floating around as casual desktop machines for people to youtube as well.
:-)
Every business should pick it's target market. I'm a fan of open source but even I thought believe that a company should open source their software for the express purpose of increasing their market share by 10 computers.
You have more patience than me. I tried it, now that I have enough memory that there's actually a reason for it, but I had to throw in the towel very quickly. Got Flash to work, but only very poorly (in particular fullscreen video was useless). Thought I'd use it to host a 32-bit system to do the stuff that was most practical in that, but I quickly realized I wouldn't get 3d acceleration then.
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Market?
I pay for flash viewers?
Not very often.
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which package manager becomes the standard? there are several of them. the current solution of letting the distro owners repackage works, it solves the dependencies, and it doesn't attempt to centralize a standard package format which at this time appears to be impossible.
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
Me too, been using lynx + flash for a long time and no problem at all. No crashes, no flash freezes.
with sound (which I was never able to figure out with running the 32-bit version with nspluginwrapper and pulseaudio)
sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound
One of our competitors trademarked the term "hypothesis". From now on, we will call them "boneheaded ideas".
Thank you.
My God, it's Full of Source!
OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
You hear that? SOUND! From the flash plugin! I haven't heard a peep out of this damn thing in a couple of years now. This is awesome!
I need to go write Adobe a nice note.
The flash problems were a few years back, when 64-bit was relatively new. Since then, a wrapper was made around flash that makes the 32-bit version work with 64-bit browsers. There really haven't been any issues for a long time.
For 32 bit Flash 10.1, if you use Ubuntu 9.04 (or later) Flash is distributed via the partner repository. If you use Fedora/RHEL (or a distro that uses yum) you can add a yum repo from the Adobe website. The last link also has RPM and deb packages too. SUSE package Flash directly in their repositories too.
I think for a preview release the need to use package management for a single binary could be considered overkill. Further it's really the repositories that are useful in this case so you are automatically to newer versions when issues are fixed and Adobe are only have devote resources for "official" releases.
I found that the new version does not create and save tmp files in tmp; I can no longer grab them except in limited cases in the browser cache.