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Ubuntu 10.10 Release Candidate Launched
tuXx writes "On Thursday, Canonical rolled out the official release candidate of its upcoming Ubuntu OS version 10.10, codenamed Maverick Meerkat. The release announcement has a feature list, and a review of the RC is up at ITWorld. It's available for download at the Ubuntu wiki site. If all goes well, the stable release is planned for Oct. 10th."
On 10/10/10!
Whoo!
Why is this story marked brown while every other are the regular gray?
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to the article in a single page here
Does this version clean up the mess that is their init system? Some init scripts were sysv, some were upstart-native in 10.04, and there was no commandline utility that made sense of it all.
I ran into that problem in the *server edition*, what is more central to a server installation than managing services?
It seems people here including the Slashdot editors forgot that Linux != Ubuntu. Many of us do not like it and prefer other distros.
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This feature has stirred up lots of debate. With the uncertainty of XMarks they may be trying to capitalize on the panic.
"Maybe this world is another planet's hell"
Aldous Huxley
There doesn't seem to be much of a response to this article, which is unusual. There must be ... dozens of us using Ubuntu at this point. More seriously, how many try out the RCs? I generally jump on them if they have new major features, or fixes for any remaining problems I have with my machines. I only have one insignificant problem left on all of my machines and 10.10 doesn't have the upstream fix yet ,... so I'm waiting to the gold release.
Is Pulseaudio still required? I really got fed up in Ubuntu 9.10 when they made the volume control stack Dependant on it. If you removed PA, you would get a "waiting for sound system to respond" message when trying to select an audio device... and your graphical volume control would break. There is a third-party PPA to fix it, but that is a pain.
I'm also not happy about the integration of a system to purchase proprietary software. Proprietary vendors have no respect for me or my property, and I don't want them having root-level access on my machine. For all I know, the proprietary vendor could start installing rootkits or hidden device drivers, similar to the way many modern Windows games work.
Also, put the buttons back on the right!
These are all reasons I switched to Debian.
It's been all over the forums for months that they broke it in 10. Lots of 'fixes' and lots more people who the fixes don't work for. It's kept me on 9 the whole time.
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Oh great, another Ubuntu release where nothing happens and nothing has changed apart from copying more Mac 'features'. The rest of the world then laughs at people pretending that something has happened and at Canonical's feeble attempts to rake in some revenue after all these years.
Will it fix the hang with forzen graphics, mouse, and keyboard so many people are experiencing?
And the rest of the computing media pretty much has given up on even pretending desktop Linux ever going to be something greater than a 1 percent OS.
* A mishmash of competing desktop interfaces
* A mishmash of competing user interface toolkits and standards
* A mishmash of half-assed sound solutions
* A mishmash of half-assed clones of commercial applications
* Amateur typography - rampant kerning and other text layout problems
Sounds par for an OS worked on by Bearded GNU Freaks sitting around at home playing World of Warcraft on their secret Windows partitions and taking bong hits all day instead of showering, driving to work, and putting in 40+ hour work weeks fixing and implementing stuff that matters to users rather than whatever crap they happen to feel like working on.
In my opinion they release new versions too quickly. I know there are a lot of differences between versions, but what I'd like is if they slowed it down by a bit.
That way, they could release each new version as a dramatically different thing than the previous ones. At this rate, Ubuntu 11.x will be roughly the same as Ubuntu 9.x
I don't think it should be like that. Also, someone up-comments (I figure that's how I refer to someone above me in the list) pointed out the horrible mess that the init scripts are. This is absolutely true.
Someone find them and mod them up, please.
What has it been now? A decade of promises about Linux on the desktop? A decade of failing to come up with anything that the average consumer could possibly want to run instead of Windows or OS X.
Given the option to buy commercial software is an excellent idea. You don't have to buy it and the opportunities for then to make money from an App Store is great idea. I am annoyed that they did not offer an opportunity to buy the Humble Bundle game bundle with a consistent easy way to install then. Hopefully they are wooing game developers as I type.
As for buttons on the right...put then on the left...and while your at it install a dynamic wallpaper, faenza icons, conky colours, and a dark dark theme, get compiz scale/wall working from the bottom corners, and install awn. I'd say use the droid font, but the new Ubuntu font looks amazing.
If all your hardware works...and you are more interested in stability(after your fixes) over features...and your happier with Debian stow release cycle go with it. Whats interesting is people today are moving towards rolling releases. It excites me because I use Gentoo because I am one of these people and a stable supported version seems like bliss.
First, Pulseaudio sucked for a long time but it's finally usable as of the last release.
Second, what the fuck are you on about proprietary software not respecting you. Access to other people's work to do as you see fit isn't a human right, a right as a citizen or a computer user. Demanding that you be given the right to redistribute, modify, resell, etc. their software is more about *you* being disrespectful about how you treat other people's property.
Also, the apps never get "root-level access" unless you execute them with super user privileges.
Mod me down, my New Earth Global Warmingist friends!
> You must not have a lot going on in your life.
Let's see, it's early Friday evening. Soon I'm going to jumping in my few month old red sports car I bought in cash from my last game development contract to go visit my filthy rich friend at his giant new house complete with gorgeous waterfall and an insane private movie theater.
Going to stuff myself going out to high end restaurants while hanging out with his stripper and porn star friends all weekend. But I won't be partaking in the whoring since I have an insanely gorgeous 20 something Persian girlfriend waiting for me.
But there is always time to make fun of the joke that is Desktop Linux.
How's your week going to be? Mom's basement 24/7?
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Does anyone know if the OOo quick-starter prevents shutdown like it did with Ubuntu 10.04?
And have they fixed the lesser issue of the quick-starter icon having a white background (versus the default tray colour of black/dark-grey)?
Also, the apps never get "root-level access" unless you execute them with super user privileges.
Installing a deb runs a number of scripts as root that can do whatever the hell the packager likes (either directly or if the packager wants to obfuscate what is going on by running binaries from the package).
Don't install debs you don't trust!
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No, really, what's new? Anything? More daemons rewritten by Canonical for no reason? Or did they just make the "Ubuntu One" logo bigger this time?
Worthless article.
It's called ISO 8601 and it's about as logical as it gets!
http://www.iso.org/iso/date_and_time_format
Yeah, that is crap people say when their horse in the race is getting destroyed by the competition.
"We're only losing THIS BAD!"
we LTS users don't want to be ripping and replacing OS every six months. takes a long time to get everything tweaked just right and so we don't care about RC releases and we don't care about six month releases and we don't care about 10.10
I was totally on board with Ubuntu since 8.04, but I've since seen the light known as Linux Mint Isadora. It's much more usable out-of-the-box. That, and the green Mint theme is a lot more appealing than Ubuntu's themes. (seriously, who would ever change it from orange to shit brown, and then to purple?!)
Mark, if you are reading, please let 11.04 be called narcoleptic newt, ...
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So... don't install the proprietary DEBs... I fail to see how making such software easily available puts you at risk.
Do you trust open-source software? Have you actually looked at the code to make sure that it isn't doing anything sneaky? You know that people can analyze the code and behavior of proprietary software as well, albeit with a little bit more difficulty. That's how all those exploits for Windows came about.
Original poster here. Well, I certainly consider having games secretly install hidden device drivers that interfere with my CD burner as not respecting me. Am I wrong? Does the imaginary property brigade own my PC when I install some of their software? Do they get to do whatever they like, including running intentionally cloaked processes in the background? See also, Sony Rootkit. How about tampering with my boot sector?
Some of us have gotten tired of this crap over the years. I want a reliable machine where I won't have to worry about predatory capitalist pigs compromising the functionality or security of my machine to (maybe) make another few bucks. How about a vendor classifying a "Genuine Advantage" utility that phones home repeatedly as a security update, in order to get it on machines with auto-update enabled? That one happened too. Good thing we've got gigs of RAM. We can just allow all this crap that works for someone else to run in the background! This is why commercial software on my machine belongs in a contained environment. I don't trust it.
BTW Thanks for putting words in my mouth. I guess thats what people have to do to win an arguement around here.
The linked review is pretty damn weak. It mostly goes over the installed software without actually talking much about what it all does and how it all works together. And the author "doesn't understand" why MP3 codecs or Flash Player are not installed by default, even though they are a click away when you need them. I would expect an IT professional to understand the licensing issues here, and how they come in to play when shipping a FLOSS distro. Ubuntu handles it quite elegantly, IMO, but to do what he wants would violate some laws (stupid, bad laws, but laws nonetheless).
:q!
Maybe that is why they call it pulseaudio.
Says the troll at 10pm on a Friday night...
I agree with you.. although I probably should run Stable instead of Testing, at least I have the Experimental level as a buffer to find bad things before they make it to me.. I think it is a legitimate worry, that perhaps there is not the levels of vetting that the apps in the distro have gone through.., but I suspect to be successful these paid apps would avoid shenanigans, as it absolutely would not be tolerated in the Linux world.
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I installed the Netbook Remix with the Unity UI on my Acer Aspire One ZG5 and I *hated* it. Slow, unclear, and very buggy. And this was the last beta. I don't understand the concept of combining the start menu with an off-line and on-line search function in one action. That made launching programs a tedious and frustrating experience. I don't think that this is a direction that Canonical should take at all.
Can anybody explain the appeal of Unity to me?
is , will it stop loading the 8169 driver for Realtek 8168 cards? (causing them to lock up requiring a cold restart)
Yes, so DON'T INSTALL proprietary apps if you don't like it. No risk.
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Releases are big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely,
mind-bogglingly big they are. I mean, you may think it's a long haul to
release a single Linux package or application, but that's just peanuts
to a Linux distribution release.
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I am glad Ubuntu keeps shipping new versions at a regular pace but I would advise to wait a few weeks before upgrading. It is cautious to let others try it first and detect any problems. In any case, I must say that the last versions of Ubuntu I tried worked pretty well out of the box.
Is Pulseaudio still required? I really got fed up in Ubuntu 9.10 when they made the volume control stack Dependant on it. If you removed PA, you would get a "waiting for sound system to respond" message when trying to select an audio device... and your graphical volume control would break.
I feel your pain. Although I am still using jaunty, I have a stable situation whereby to turn on my laptop's external speakers, I have to plug earphones into the headphones jack [sic]. Trying to switch to alsa didn't work, and I'm not sure I was the problem or the software was bungled.
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If all goes well, the stable release is planned for Oct. 10th.
IMO, this is an abuse of the word "stable." I run ubuntu/kubuntu on a number of machines, and I can say with authority that what Canonical calls "stable" can be a horrid pain in the ass. I run this stuff because I sometimes want to be on the bleeding edge, but it's painful. Canonical's definition of stable != Debian's definition of stable, that's for damn sure.
First, Pulseaudio sucked for a long time but it's finally usable as of the last release.
It's been usable all along if you just followed PerfectSetup. It's unfathomable why the Ubuntu maintainers don't seem to be able to do this...
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Version 10.10 gets released on 10/10/10. That's 5 10s. 5X10=50. I turn 50 on that day. So it's all about me.
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If you are installing or upgrading in Virtualbox, the guest additions (which include the auto-resize video driver) won't install correctly, you get an error: Warning: unknown version of the X Window System installed. Not Installing X Window System drivers.
the solution?:
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r)
sudo apt-get install virtualbox-ose-guest-x11
A quick fix to put the buttons back on the right top corner : change desktop themes, I think my personal favourite "Clear Looks" is still available,
but almost any other theme that's not the default has the buttons on the right.
There is also a hack in the config scripts, but I'd have to dig for it ...
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Every other Ubuntu upgrade kills half a day getting my PC working again. Vanilla installs are pretty good, but having forgot my last catastrophe, I decided to jump the gun and go 10.10 final beta on my primary PC. Mistake. Installer had an issue with fglrx, had no video, just a purple screen requiring what seems to now be a requirement: a second pc to ssh into the box to fix it. VirtualBox now has issues too, and compiz is broken because it refuses to activate my binary video driver. 3 strikes...
So I decide to try a true vanilla PC upgrade. I did not find 2 of those issues before doing this, but that one seems to go ok, so I have hope. Might as well go to the next box... upgrade my laptop... another fail. My Broadcom STA driver now just doesn't work at all, so my notebook without wireless is now considered a desktop with a tiny screen and a cramped keyboard.
After finding out that Ubuntu stopped including aptitude in the default install (while Debian recommends it over apt), "Hardware Drivers" is now known as "Additional Drivers" which is now missing the Broadcom OSS driver option on my laptop, and Software Sources is hidden by default, I'm wondering WTF is going on over at Canonical HQ... upgrades still as flaky as ever, especially with proprietary drivers, and power tools rapidly disappearing from default seems like a few steps backwards. If I want to deal with proprietery driver issues I may as well go back to Debian.
It is simple to avoid all hardware related issues with all Linux distros today, especially those related to WiFi, Sound, Video, etc....
Follow this advice and NEVER have problems again, ever.
Purchase your hardware ONLY from Linux Vendors, my favorite is ZaReason. Another is System 76. I know there are many more.
I just updated to Ubuntu 10-10 last night on my Breeze Pro 4220 (starting at $399, still under $816 with quad core, 4GB RAM and 1GB HD) and it is working like a champ! I love getting 4 cores, 4GB RAM and a GB hard drive for under $816...love it!
If you want to run Windows (for games) I get that, purchase Windows 7 separately and install it, the method you choose will vary and is up to you...but at least you KNOW IT WILL WORK.
Linux has more device drivers than any other operating system in the world, ever. The only reason anyone has problems is always related to proprietary hardware/software/BIOS crap...all of which is easy to avoid, purchase from a Linux vendor ONLY.
Same with Android, buy only hardware where you have Linux root access, avoid all other proprietary chips/hardware.
Follow that advice and no more problems, ever.
It is that simple.
My next PC from ZaReason will also run CentOS, Damn Small Linux and Fedora in addition to the latest greatest Ubuntu. If I have learned anything from all the Microsoft Windows BS over the years, its never put all your eggs in one basket. Also, if you only have two choices, you have no choice.