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Sarah Palin 'Target WikiLeaks Like Taliban'
DMandPenfold writes "Sarah Palin, who is widely tipped as a possible Republican candidate for president in 2012, has said WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange should be hunted down in the way armed forces are targeting the Taliban and Al-Qaeda." So that means we should spend billions of dollars and not catch him? Good plan.
She is unelectable, why the hell does the media pay so much attention to her? She has to be the most hated political figure in the US for the left/left leaning middle. The dumbest thing the republicans could possibly do is run her in 2012.
After 9 years of hunting Bin Laden.. Assange is safe from the US for a while!
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Trillions! and thousands of civilian deaths.
Yes, I'm left. You have a problem with that?
Right or wrong, if you kill him becomes a martyr. What a surprise that Sarah Palin didn't think before she spoke.
You know who we have to blame for her, right?
John McCain. What the heck was the man thinking? If he'd picked his VP candidate with an eye to win, instead of just throwing a dart then we'd be far better off. Even though I wouldn't have wanted his hypocritical, principal betraying, lying ass in the Oval Office, at least with a decent VP we'd not have had the horror that is Sarah Palin inflicted on the nation at large. She'd just be some obscure Alaska Governor waiting for the snows to come in and counting all the oil money.
Curse you!
Very good interview done within the last few days. Why can't we have this guy running the country, not the bozo teams we get over and over?
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/11/30/noam_chomsky_wikileaks_cables_reveal_profound
Palin just lost my vote. I liked her because she managed to balance the budget in Alaska and is supposedly a supporter of the Constitution. With her support of trying to take down wikileaks, it indicates she is actually a supporter of ongoing government waste and corruption.
Government of the people, by the people, for the people should be completely transparent. Every dime should be able to be accounted for, and all bills before Congress should be made publicly available before they are voted on - not hidden the way Romney/Obamacare was.
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Who cares what Sarah Palin thinks? This isn't news, for anybody.
Gone!
And then I voted for him in 2008.....things change. Still, I agree, she's pretty much unelectable in my mind.
The Taliban is responsible, directly and demonstrably, for a great many deaths, both in the US and abroad.
The number of deaths that can be traced to Assange is... how many? How indirectly?
If he is in fact guilty of the actual physical crimes of which he's accused, he should be pursued and prosecuted proportionally to them. But when you equate "taking America down a peg" with mass murder... it makes you realize why Assange is doing what he's doing.
It feels as if America has lost its glory, pursuing its reputation like a bully. I think we're still better than that. But the last election didn't tell me so as clearly as I'd like, and the next election may explicitly contradict me.
Nothing says "land of the free, home of the brave" than a quitter comparing a journalistic outfit that leaks embarassing data that the US and others don't want to be revealed to a theocratic government that opposes most fundamental freedoms. And yet, her base will eat this up.
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This is the best thing we could do. It means that the governments will attack unrelated targets, and Wikileaks will remain unscathed. He will be safe to do as he pleased and post other materials. Now if he Palin were going after him like he was Obama, then there might be some worry. But even then she would probably endorse some wako for the job who be so distracted with the Aqua Buddha, or who was doing what in the privacy of their own home, or would mistakenly travel to Sweden instead of Switzerland, or not realize that US laws did not apply in Europe.
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Sarah Palin's commentary on anything deeper than an Alaskan salmon stream is wasted air. She is not a political mind worthy of quoting. I'd be more interested in Britney Spears commentary on the escalating North Korea situation since we might at least get some good cleavage pics.
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Keep her in the spotlight. I'd prefer having 4 more years of Obama, instead of any Republican "small government" type.
The problem with both parties is that we can't keep the dumbest 2% of us off the television.
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I haven't figured out all the blame is trying to focus on Wikileaks/Assange. To the point where people are being polled on if Assange should be charged with treason. I'm almost certain you need to be a US citizen before you can be charged with treason against the US.... Further, Assange didn't sign any agreements with the US gov't that he wouldn't release their information, that was the original informant. The information isn't (or shouldn't be) copyrighted, so the only thing to prevent anyone from distributing it is signing what is essentially an NDA.
This discussion is about Sarah Palin. I think you meant to say "fence post."
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The layer of obfuscation sickens me. Media controls so many people and they are so busy debating on non-topics that the real issues are never even touched. Put a new target on TV and tell people they are bad. Masses buy into it and then the population is directed how they want. This place is ripe for revolution. Nothing today seems to be the way the founding fathers intended. I think they'd be very upset with the state of things.
Remember? And the Tea Party dipshits hadn't even gotten started then. If you don't think this clown is electable, you haven't spent enough time in the flyover states.
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"Yes, you, the plebs, the common folk, aren't allowed to have something to be hidden. We, the elite, we got plenty to hide!" Gotta love the ambiguity of 'you'.
I just saw a headline teaser on the TV that suggested that the Interpol alert on Assange has been lifted. Perhaps someone at Interpol was finally clued in that Assange was not the sort of person they are supposed to be looking for?
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I voted for Bush in 2004. I would have voted for him in 2000 if I was old enough. Voted for McCain in 2008. Never voted Democrat in my life. But if the Republicans nominate Palin in 2012, I will vote Obama. I don't like what he's doing to this country. He's given way too much power to unions (GM) and unfairly redistributing wealth (healthcare). But the damage he can do is minuscule when compared to what Palin would do. There is only one possible benefit I can see of Palin getting elected, and the is the complete dismantlement of the Republican party as we know it. Maybe we can finally get a party that is center-right, instead of overrun with right-wing radicals and religious nutjobs.
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Does anyone -seriously- think that if Assange were locked up / killed / whatever, that this sort of thing would stop?
While he's more than "just a public face" in this issue, it isn't like Wikileaks would die with him, or that some successor wouldn't be spawned.
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What she and her supporters have not figured out is that they get so much attention because it's like watching a train wreck in slow motion. It's entertainment not politics.
Well, to her credit, she has a lot of followers. Despite many faux pas she's made that would have left anyone else gelded, she somehow keeps drumming up support. I'm not too educated on the numbers now for tea partiers versus non-tea partying Republicans but I think it would be a deathly schism for the Republican party. The two large parties can't afford to break off into chunks and therefore it's going to be the most supported candidate that gets the nod. Right now, who else is there?
There have been countless stupid quotes and moves by Sarah Palin where I've thought "Wow, well, at least she's finally done for." And yet she comes out of it. She starts working for Fox News and injects her own little two cents into everything and I'm thinking, "Look at all this material for a potential opponent to use against her." Yet she grows in popularity! She gets a reality show on some cable TV show called "Sarah Palin's Alaska" (like she owns the state) and I think "Well, finally, she's jumping the shark." Yet people are watching it in respectable TV viewing numbers! She releases a book that rips apart JFK and yet somehow she comes out still being followed. What gives?
In my humble opinion, as someone coming from the rural mid-west and now living in the urban east coast, you are talking about a populace you don't understand. People are watching her, reading her books and identifying with her at an alarming rate. To claim that everyone one of her supporters is driving from Ohio and other states to see her and Glenn Beck on the mall just to 'observe a train wreck' only exacerbates the problem and further removes you from what's really going on. America is just as polarized as they were during the elections and the Republican party -- though strong -- is encountering a weird kind of fragmentation for better or for worse.
Politics is entertainment just like sports are entertainment. But most spectators are cheering for someone.
It's easy for us to dismiss them but that only adds to their persecution complex. I don't know what the answer is but I prefer to listen to them and then try to reason with them instead of writing them off. There's bigger numbers in different parts of the country and I'm not a fan of watching Glenn Beck prey on people who are suffering right now. It downright sickens me.
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>"Sarah Palin ... has said WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange should be hunted down in the way armed forces are targeting the Taliban and Al-Qaeda."
So does this mean the US is going to invade Venezuela?
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The funny thing is, if Palin should ever become a president or not, vice or no vice, I'll definitely look into learning to pray. I guess Palin would approve ..
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You know, it's things like that that tend to set me off. Open information is essential to freedom, and the US found it quite delightful when WL exposed other countries. But now that it's coming to light that our own country has a lot to hide, it must be stopped? I don't think so. Get the information out there, shame the ones knowingly acting dishonestly and work to let them know it is not acceptable. People in power are always willing to bend the rules for what they feel is 'good reason'. Problem is, that so called good reason tends to expand quickly. I don't know what the fix is for the situation, but I do know that it will involve a lot more sites like WL. If you have nothing to hide, then you have nothing to fear. Or so the government tells us. Interesting how that doesn't seem to go both ways, that needs to change, in a big way.
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But there are those that are in power (already elected) who feel the same way. Rep. Pete King (R-N.Y.), the incoming chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee wants to classify wikileaks as a terrorist organization.. I believe that this would make contributing money a federal felony. In addition, the Interpol connection has been ratcheted up. Assange is now on the most wanted list.
It's not just Sarah Palin, there are those in power that are clearly using their power on this matter. Kind of scary, actually. (Though not surprising, considering what Assange is doing).
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One is just that it is kinda funny to hear crazies talk. I mean let's face it, she is nuts and she says some amazingly stupid shit. It can be amusing to read that. So that is part of it is people just going "What? She REALLY said that? Hell we need to print that shit!"
The other is that there are more than a few democrats who really, REALLY want her to be a forerunner in the republican party. Reason is of course that she is crazy and has basically no chance. Now realistically she isn't going to be a Republican contender. However the Democrats sure hope she is because man would that make for an easy election. That leads to more coverage than you'd normally get since not only is she trying to make herself heard, her opponents are trying to make sure she'd heard.
Speaking as a mostly-leftist American, I would like nothing better than seeing Palin win the Republican nomination.
After 9 years of hunting Bin Laden.. Assange is safe from the US for a while!
But I don't now about US Army's external sub-contractors illegally arresting, detaining and torturing half of the Swedish population.
Nor the US Army overthrowing the government of Norway, on the grounds that they might have had supported Sweden and might also have servers for mass-hosting of leaks in possession (although independent reports from the UN deny both of these fears).
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You should be extremely careful what you wish for: Democrats were expressing similar sentiments when Ronald Reagan put himself up for the Republican nomination in 1980.
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I wouldn't. She might actually win.
I, for one, am looking forward to the inevitable
What do you think she'd be doing with her life? Truck stop waitress?
No, truck stop waitresses have to have personality and organizational skills and some sense of reality.
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"In the first big leak, the names of actual informants was leaked and it was reported one later died and a few disappeared."
Citation needed. And if you can provide evidence for this, I bet the DoD would really like to have it too, 'cos they think the number's zero.
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Speaking as a non-american, I'd call it a win-win. Either she loses the race for the GOP or the rest of the world has incontrovertible proof that the US has become a nation that worships morons. Besides, can you imagine what John Stewart could do with 4 years of Palin? :)
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On the contrary, I feel it is News for Nerds. It directly addresses the way technology is facilitating the globalization of information and how it conflicts with regional/local laws. The message was delivered by Facebook, so nerds should appreciate the irony that Palin is advocating censorship of information on a site that believes in opening up private information for all to view. Finally, the fact that a mainstream political figure (one does not have to hold office to be a current politician) is advocating the use of potentially illegal internet warfare (From the article: She [Palin] said “cyber tools" should be used to "permanently dismantle WikiLeaks") should also be of interest to nerds.
I don't think the topic is flamebait, I think it is controversial. The internet is a force of globalization, especially in the realm of information distribution. When that distribution starts to threaten state secrets, how far do we (the US) go? How about the UK, Germany, or France? How about China or India? How about Iran, Syria, or Saudi Arabia? If it is legitimate for the US to do a DDoS against Wikileaks, what about Venezuela attacking US news websites that it feels are threatening its State secrets?
Yes, I already dislike Palin, but as a nerd who tries to pay attention to the news, I want to know who is siding with Palin on this issue... and to some extent, it appears that is the current administration (who once advocated an open government).
She couldn't even handle serving out her term as governor of Alaska. How does anything think she's qualified to be President?
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Sarah Palin is going to target Julian Assange? With what sweetheart? Your caribou hunting rifle? Somehow I don't think it has the range to reach the UK, or wherever he is sitting these days.
No, honestly Sarah, what in the hell does your statement mean? Are you going to commit troops and military resources to "get him?" How are you going to do that since you are not in charge of any executive branch of any government in the entire world? Or does your current employer (isn't it Fox News nowadays?) have it's own private army that you can summon up just as easily as dipping into the petty cash?
Here's an idea, Sweetheart, instead of all the political grandstanding about what you are going to do to some dude on the other side of the world, why don't you put your money where your mouth is and actually try to go after him yourself? You don't want to break a nail? You don't want to put in the money or effort of conducting a manhunt? Well neither do the rest of us, nor do the citizens of the rest of the world, nor do most members of the U.S. military from what I can gather. We are tired of you politico retards, whom seem so adept at living with your heads on a completely different plain of reality, committing our resources, time, and efforts to some wild goose-chases that don't seem to produce any results anyways (Where is that last guy we went on a manhunt for? What was his name again? Osama Bin Something?). Nah, if you're really so outraged at Assange, go do your dirty work yourself. The rest of us are sick and tired of shoveling the shit for you student-body president, prom queen, princes and princesses that seem to think world politics is a popularity contest and a game.
For the tl:dr crowd, "Sarah, you're a stuck up, dolled up, dumb shit that isn't fit to find the path for getting your head out of your ass, much less hunting down a man on the other side of the world."
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Pretty soon we'll hear that Iran is developing an AMD (Assange of Mass Dissemination). We have no choice but to invade.
I'm no Palin fan, but sometimes I wonder if you guys read the article before posting....
'Palin continued: “His past posting of classified documents revealed the identity of more than 100 Afghan sources to the Taliban. Why was he not pursued with the same urgency we pursue al-Qaeda and Taliban leaders?"'
Her point is that he went beyond whistleblowing. I don't see how that's any dumber that what some of you are posting here.
I dunno, he might leave the country. I would.
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that would be the golden age of comedy in united states.
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Speaking as a mostly leftist, I would rather see Obama on the republican nomination, so that maybe we can get a real left candidate.
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That's an interesting theory. The problem is that the August 24, 2008 meeting with advisors at which Sarah Palin became the top choice to be McCain's running mate occurred several months after Clinton's conceded the race for the Democratic nomination and endorsed Barack Obama on June 7, 2008; the August 27 meeting at which she was offered the #2 spot on the ticket took place during the Democratic Convention, on the same day Barack Obama was formally nominated as the Democratic Party's candidate for the Presidency.
So, its historically indefensible to claim that the McCain campaign was nominating Palin in response to the perceived current strength of the Clinton campaign at the time.
It's more defensible to claim that they did it in response to the defeat of Hillary Clinton, in belief that that defeat might provide an opening to pick up some disappointed Clinton supporters that really were focussed on seeing a woman on the ticket. (I'm not saying this is true, or that, if true, it was a reasonable expectation on their part -- but its an argument I've heard that is certainly more plausible than the explanation that the choice was made because they thought the Clinton campaign was still going strong and that that is who they would have to face in the general.)
incontrovertible proof that the US has become a nation that worships morons.
There's still doubt after Bush? Anyway, I would like to point out that it's not the whole country, just 49%.
can you imagine what John Stewart could do with 4 years of Palin?
After a month she'll probably have him 'targeted like the Taliban', which means, if she 'targets' as well as Bush did, that 4 years later he would still be making videos.
Actually, the Kennedy's in general and JFK in particular DESERVE to be ripped apart--but not for the vapid reasons that Sarah Palin's ghost writer came up with.
Look, I'm not here to turn this into some JFK and RFK and Ted Kennedy did all this horrible crap and killed a woman and got away with it and were womanizing nepotistic rich bastards ... all or or some of these things could be said. But what I was trying to say here was that nobody has ever run on that platform. You can write a book of dirt when you're done with politics but writing such a book before you become president is sort of like asking your future opponent if they'd like to have their way with you right now. I mean JFK, though flawed, was a hero to a lot of Americans. And his martyrdom was just icing on the cake. And to call into question one of his most loved and cherished speeches is more than ballsy, it's downright dangerous.
Sarah Palin is a new kind of political monster, unlike the ones I'm used to watching comfortably from my armchair. She's got a twitter feed that sports so many errors, she might actually be the person running it! From a classic Bush-esque prescriptive versus descriptive linguistics error to making accusations and weird religious remarks. It's a microblogging service! Look at what the rest of the politicians use it for: a paid staff techie is told what to put on it and what goes on it is only tepid words praising safe topics for that candidate to like. And those are usually reviewed seventy times before they go up. She has broken the rules of and committed fouls in politics many times and yet people embrace her.
All I wanted to say in my post was that from what I've seen of Sarah Palin, we should have stuck a fork in her long ago yet she remains. And why is that? Well, she's a dangerously well liked and amicable to a large part of the population that you are not familiar with. If she makes a mistake they seem to forgive her and say "I've made that mistake too." If she uses cracked logic or argument tactics long ago written off by academics, her followers just write off the academics. Trust me, as someone who's tried to reason with a supporter with some fairly simple debate analysis of Glenn Beck's logic, I can tell you that you don't want to approach this as some fancy pants intellectual telling them how dumb they are.
Don't confuse this with praise of Sarah Palin or defense of JFK. This is just me trying to warn people about how I see the situation at present. What happens when she runs for president and her opposition preys on some stupid social gaffe of hers? If it's any less than what she's already done, it's merely going to be ignored by or reinforce her supporter's commitment.
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Sure, she has a lot of followers, but that's because we have a big electorate. In percentage terms, her numbers ain't so hot. The latest number I saw was "unfavorable" of around 38% and "favorable" less than 25%, with lots of undecided, don't know enough to say, etc. And with so much negative material available, you can bet that in the heat of a campaign, the balance would likely tip even further against her.
The tricky part is that her numbers are highly skewed by party - potential GOP voters like her a lot better than the electorate at large (at this stage of the game they haven't figured out likely voter models yet, so these are registered voter numbers). We could end up in a situation where she manages a victory in the Republican primaries on the strength of tea-party votes, but then gets crushed in the general.
What do you think she'd be doing with her life? Truck stop waitress?
No, truck stop waitresses have to have personality and organizational skills and some sense of reality.
And they generally finish their shifts.
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Palin's goals are summed up by my favorite demotivator.
"Consulting: Because if you're not part of the solution, there's good money in prolonging the problem."
She very quickly / shrewdly realized that sitting on the sidelines jabbering away about "what's wrong with America" is an *insanely* profitable career. A career where your decisions can never be proven wrong. (Obama can make the wrong decisions, but Palin, Moore, Limbaugh, et al. never have that problem because they just offer *opinions* about decisions someone else makes.)
In short, she's exactly where she belongs and I wonder if she's smart enough to know it. Armchair Quarterbacks never, ever, ever get sacked. The only truly stupid thing could do would be to actually run for office again.
There are some people that if they don't know, you can't tell 'em.
She fucking well quit halfway through her first term, for no good reason. She is a joke. I'd rather be a nameless nobody than a proven joke.
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Speaking as a libertarian American I sure hope she does not win a nomination and I am pretty sure that she won't. Still, the sheer amount of vicious hatred and unadulterated bile that comes out of most liberals mouths the moment her name is mentioned makes her useful in exposing the true nature of those people and presents some interesting questions for psychologists. Sure, a few things she said were kinda dumb, but that's really the worst I can think of when I really look at her as objectively as I can, so the amount of vitriol is totally baffling to me. For example, I can't imagine that a male who did and said exactly the same things she did would be hated as much.
Negative moral value of force outweighs the positive value of good intentions.
Man, if the Republicans have her as the presidential candidate, well, so much for THAT dream.
Not that on this issue the current administration is any better than Palin on calling for the halt to wikileaks, and that it at least borders on criminal...
But, sheesh...every time I hear her name as being the lead in the race for opposition candidate for US President in a couple years, I have to shake my head.
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Sarah Palin is an stupid moron. News at 11.
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I want quitters to fill all government positions. The less they do the better.
he still thinks an economic life without any rules and regulations can be real. whereas this is actually similar to abolishing all courts of law, judiciary, and laws, and then saying 'people will regulate themselves', in social life.
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They ought to do the same thing to spammers that they've done to the diplomats. Why doesn't someone post the emails the spammers are sending around? It's about time someone put those bastards in their place.
Yes... but most adults in this country are NOT smarter than a 4th grader.
Speaking as a mostly leftist, I would rather see Obama on the republican nomination, so that maybe we can get a real left candidate.
Yeah.. because pushing this country left has worked out soooooo well....
How are all those left wing, compared to the US, economies and governments in Europe doing these days? Bailout what?
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Setting aside the accusations of rape in Sweden, what US law has Assange been accused of breaking?
In the current Wikileaks drama, it's interesting to note that Wikileaks has only presented the exact same documents with the same redactions as the New York Times, who has done so with the cooperation and informed consent of the State Department. As far as I know, he hasn't even been accused of a crime, and has certainly not been convicted of a crime that has a punishment consistent with what Ms. Palin is suggesting.
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Increasingly, attention has been focused on the role of Anna Ardin, the more visible of the two complainants. Her apparent mix of establishment cred, together with her varied activist/political career radical feminist, Christian social democrat, ambitious political intern seems to flummox non-Swedish commentators, who don’t understand that that is an establishment career in Sweden. Ardin has not only worked as an intern in the Swedish foreign affairs department, including a tour of DC and Cuba (from which she was allegedly deported), but has also interned on the op-ed page of the Gothenburg afternoon paper GT, part of the Expressen stable, owned by the right-wing Bonnier family (yep, Sweden has right-wingers).
It was to the relentlessly anti-left Expressen that the story of the initial charges of rape against Assange were released (a breach of Swedish law), in the small window of time before they were rescinded by a higher prosecutor.
Were there accusations of violent rape involved in this case, I’d be a lot more circumspect about reporting some of this, but it seems no one is asserting physical coercion. So here goes: two separate sources from the Swedish left have told me that they regard Ardin as more than a little over-the-top, and subject to some compelling obsessions. Another source said he was pretty sure of the identity of SW, the other complainant, and that some people had held suspicions about her bona fides as a member of the left.
And from this site here we find some very interesting info:
Someone in the police station rings up the prosecutor on duty - who just happens to be Maria Kjellstrand, whose husband works in the office of Beatrice Ask, who is Sweden's minister of justice, a position previously held by Thomas Bodström who gave away The Pirate Bay to the White House and who today runs a law firm with Claes Borgström who's made a career out of supporting militant radical feminist ideas - and who magically appears out of nowhere later on to become the two girls' legal counsel, despite being obscenely expensive.
First of all .. wiki leaks is not the problem here ..
The problem that everyone seems to forget is that he/they "GOT THE DOCUMENTS IN THE FIRST PLACE" ..
If wiki leaks has access to "top secrete" or what was supposed to be secured documents .. Guess what , we did not do a very good job of securing them.
Having wiki leaks release them is not the idea situation .. Best would be for the documents to be returned without being made public.
But guess what , the simple fact that we can examine the docs and figure out how they were leaked ..
Hunting the man down is just stupid.
Has everyone in the government forgotten the simple concept of "root cause analysis"
i would respectfully say that those who run aid the rise of ignorance. you should stay and fight for your country. because when you run away from problems they only grow. soon you'll be running away from wherever you ran to, when a palin pops up there too
people who run away from problems like palin, or avoid the subject, or don't vote out of ambivalence or cynicism: they aid the rise of ignorance. because if you don't fight ignorance, who will? take responsibility for YOUR country, and mold YOUR country in your image. or someone else will. and then you have no right to complain, because you didn't exert any effort. the image of the usa is up for grabs, its always up for grabs. and its image is claimed by those who exert effort to mold that image
if you give up in cynicism and do nothing or run away, then you are perhaps even worse than the idiots who follow palin: at least they are DOING something, even if a false cause. those who exert effort in a false cause are better than those who know what is right, but do nothing. i firmly believe that
there is no excuse for lack of effort, and then complaining when things don't go your way. your enemies are rich and powerful, yes. as if that should stop you in the noble fight for what is right. so get fighting, or be worse than a palin supporter, in my eyes at least
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I'm pretty sure that the Constitution does not allow for the government to assassinate people with trial, for example
You'd be wrong in that assumption. The constitution says very little about the interaction between the US government and citizens of other countries.
President Ford started a no-assassination policy for our intelligence services, and Clinton had an executive order to that effect. However, Obama has apparantly put assassinaiton back on the table, which if true would mean Palin was just following Obama's lead here.
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Can we stop this theatralics about the leaked cables? Seriously, with 3 million people having access to SIPRNET, does anyone seriously believe that any major power has not at least 10 informants in there who had access to this data all along? There is nothing in the leaked documents that is new to any major intelligence service. Now, that it has become public though, everyone has to go through the motions, posture, and show righteous indignation.
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putting stupid and harmful people in a position of power is no laughing matter, son.
you may think its funny but we all have to live with the results of your joke.
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You're not alone. That's a world wide phenomenon, and no country is exempt. We're all mostly greedy bastards, no matter what people. Maybe not you, maybe not me, but 90% of the people, no matter if French, Italian, Indian or American. All the same shit all over.
For some odd reason, though, people here (in Europe) want people smarter than themselves in a public office. People here do elect people so someone else can do that brain work for them. And they want someone who can (ok, who looks like he probably could) do that. People here want to vote for "smart" people. Not necessarily brainy people, but people who have "made their way", who led a successful business or who can show off some other proof that they can "manage".
When Schwarzenegger was elected Governor of California people here (including those that usually vote for the "best looking guy") were stunned with disbelief. What? How's he a politician? Only thing he accomplished is movies. And movies are NOT taken serious around here. As much as we like celebrities, they have NO place in politics. Politics is serious matter. Movies are entertainment. They don't mix.
That doesn't mean that we got better politicians in any way. But it means that we get more intelligent ones because they have to "prove" that they got the brains and can talk level headed enough to appeal to the general consensus that politics is "serious business". No radical ideas allowed. No show gimmicks allowed. I didn't think I'd ever say it, but having a fairly conservative population that shuns changes has its benefits.
At least the weirdos like Palin have no chance to ever wield power.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
When someone makes a move
Of which we don't approve,
Who is it that always intervenes?
U.N. and O.A.S.,
They have their place, I guess,
But first send the Marines!
We'll send them all we've got,
John Wayne and Randolph Scott,
Remember those exciting fighting scenes?
To the shores of Tripoli,
But not to Mississippoli,
What do we do? We send the Marines!
For might makes right,
And till they've seen the light,
They've got to be protected,
All their rights respected,
'Till somebody we like can be elected.
Members of the corps
All hate the thought of war,
They'd rather kill them off by peaceful means.
Stop calling it aggression,
O we hate that expression.
We only want the world to know
That we support the status quo.
They love us everywhere we go,
So when in doubt,
Send the Marines!
You are not a brain: http://books.google.com/books?id=2oV61CeDx-YC
Last time I checked mommy nature doesn't give a shit whether you consider labour and birth too hard if you're too stupid for contraception.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Speaking as a "real", Europe-style, leftist, I can assure you that the US does not have a single "leftist" party. You have a conservative right wing party and a liberal right wing party as the two main parties, plus a few fringe groups, none of which I have identified as "left" so far.
What we consider "left" would probably be deemed impossible as a political party, heck, it would be considered impossible as a politically sound concept that anyone sane could vote for.
But trust me, we think like that about your GOP, too.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
It gives me another chance to publicize what those 'baseless' lawsuits were.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Public_Safety_Commissioner_dismissal
Read about the lawsuit and make up your own mind how 'baseless' they were.
Now thynk, aren't you glad you mentioned those 'baseless' lawsuits? Getting the truth out there feels pretty good, doesn't it?
- None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
Ok scared guy, demonstrate it.
"All of 'em, any of 'em that have been in front of me over all these years." --Sarah Palin, unable to name a single newspaper or magazine she reads, interview with Katie Couric, CBS News, Oct. 1, 2008
"'Refudiate,' 'misunderestimate,' 'wee-wee'd up.' English is a living language. Shakespeare liked to coin new words too. Got to celebrate it!'" --a Tweet sent by Sarah Palin in response to being ridiculed for inventing the word "refudiate," proudly mistaking her illiteracy for literary genius, July 18, 2010 (NOTE: after attending 5 different colleges, she eventually graduated from the University of Idaho with a degree in journalism - "before her selection to run on the GOP ticket, she explained that her curiosity and love of writing made journalism a natural choice.")
"But obviously, we've got to stand with our North Korean allies." --Sarah Palin, after being asked how she would handle the current hostilities between the two Koreas, interview on Glenn Beck's radio show, Nov. 24, 2010
"[T]hey're in charge of the U.S. Senate so if they want to they can really get in there with the senators and make a lot of good policy changes that will make life better for Brandon and his family and his classroom." --Sarah Palin, getting the vice president's constitutional role wrong after being asked by a third grader what the vice president does, interview with NBC affiliate KUSA in Colorado, Oct. 21, 2008
''Dr. Laura: don't retreat...reload! (Steps aside bc her 1st Amend. rights ceased 2exist thx 2activists trying 2silence'' isn't American, not fair'')'' —Sarah Palin, in a Twitter message coming to the defense of Dr. Laura Schlessinger, the talk radio host who apologized and decided to retire from her highly-rated program after using the N-word on the air 11 times in 5 minutes, Aug. 18, 2010
I could continue, but I just don't have time to list all the examples of her poor intellectual qualifications.
"All these years believing you're the signified monkey, only to find out you're just a big hunk of nobody cares."
I can assure you, over here in Western Europe, we are all equally broke.
Except for maybe Germany, but everyone else is completely and fully broke. They just keep telling money lenders that they will be able to pay their dues, but the new credit taken out every year is just enough to pay interest on the loans already on the books.
Europe's key mistakes are, in my largely conservative viewpoint:
- not deciding between the two ultimate leftist utopias, completely open borders and completely sufficient welfare state,
- not recognizing that both are absolutely mutually exclusive lest a few remaining taxpayers in Europe pay welfare to the entire planet
- not acknowledging that politics are nothing without financing
- overly focusing on properly distributing state money, but largely disrespecting how to increase state income (simply increasing this or that tax rate until everyone is strangled by them doesn't really count)
- steadily reducing individual discomfort for bad luck and bad decisions AND steadily reducing individual profit from luck and good decisions
- not daring to decide between bad luck (eg. 1 year unemployed) and bad decisions (eg. 10 years unemployed) and act accordingly
Any of these facts are a suicide pact for state finances. As no Western European country except maybe Switzerland and Norway are even daring to name one of these as potentially problematic to say the least, I fully expect all of them making the news sooner or later.
With Germany bailing them out of course, then they waste some more, get bailed out and rinse, repeat until German bonds and credit rating are as wasted as Greece's. Then Germany raises their taxes, pension ages and the cycle continues once a again. Redistribution of wealth will never stop on this continent and if all Hell breaks loose, it is of course blamed on Capitalism.
Squandering more funds in a year than the previous generation earned in a lifetime doesn't sound like an accomplishment to me, but that's why I'm conservative. Financially, first and foremost. Or it could be that I'm German and hate working full-time until I'm 70 while losing half my income in taxes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Public_Safety_Commissioner_dismissal
Baseless lawsuits? Clinton faced baseless lawsuits. Hers were based on her actual abuse of power, rather than lying about a blowjob. In any case, she quit in a situation where nearly every other politician in history has soldiered on.
- None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
You obviously dont remember the 2000 election then. Many people laughed at bush and said the usa would get what they deserved if they put another chip into the idiot bush dynasty. I personally knew many people that followed american politics and thought "nah they arent stupid enough to elect bush, no one is that stupid!", and yet... Then in 2004, many people said the same thing, that americans wouldnt be stupid enough to RE ELECT bush. Are you starting to see a pattern?
Americanw ARE stupid. They WILL elect sarah palin in 2012. Nothing matters as long as shes positive about the "good" americans, and negative about the "bad" americans. She doesnt even really have to define them. Good americans have american values and BAD americans live in the eastcoast and westcoast cities. Everyone, even non americans know the rhetoric by now. It has been repeatedly proven that these stereotypes exist in america. Just look at how the repubs are now blocking EVERYTHING because they arent getting a tax cut for american who make more than 250k/yr!!!! two hundred and fifty k!!! your country is fucking fucked.
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I can't believe you're going making me defend Sarah Palin, but the OP is misquoting her.
What she actually said was, "Why was he not pursued with the same urgency we pursue al Qaeda and Taliban leaders? [emphasis added]". She then goes on to say "Were individuals working for Wikileaks on these document leaks investigated? Shouldn’t they at least have had their financial assets frozen". It's clear she's advocating a legal response, not a military one.
I can assure you, over here in Western Europe, we are all equally broke.
Except for maybe Germany, but everyone else is completely and fully broke. They just keep telling money lenders that they will be able to pay their dues, but the new credit taken out every year is just enough to pay interest on the loans already on the books.
Europe's key mistakes are, in my largely conservative viewpoint: - not deciding between the two ultimate leftist utopias, completely open borders and completely sufficient welfare state, - not recognizing that both are absolutely mutually exclusive lest a few remaining taxpayers in Europe pay welfare to the entire planet - not acknowledging that politics are nothing without financing - overly focusing on properly distributing state money, but largely disrespecting how to increase state income (simply increasing this or that tax rate until everyone is strangled by them doesn't really count) - steadily reducing individual discomfort for bad luck and bad decisions AND steadily reducing individual profit from luck and good decisions - not daring to decide between bad luck (eg. 1 year unemployed) and bad decisions (eg. 10 years unemployed) and act accordingly
Any of these facts are a suicide pact for state finances. As no Western European country except maybe Switzerland and Norway are even daring to name one of these as potentially problematic to say the least, I fully expect all of them making the news sooner or later.
With Germany bailing them out of course, then they waste some more, get bailed out and rinse, repeat until German bonds and credit rating are as wasted as Greece's. Then Germany raises their taxes, pension ages and the cycle continues once a again. Redistribution of wealth will never stop on this continent and if all Hell breaks loose, it is of course blamed on Capitalism.
Squandering more funds in a year than the previous generation earned in a lifetime doesn't sound like an accomplishment to me, but that's why I'm conservative. Financially, first and foremost. Or it could be that I'm German and hate working full-time until I'm 70 while losing half my income in taxes.
And there it is, right there. I quoted all of it but the real money line is this: "Or it could be that I'm German and hate working full-time until I'm 70 while losing half my income in taxes."
When all is said, either a person believes that what they earn and create is theirs to do with as they please, or they believe that theft can be made honorable and just by calling it "tax". I won't say that all taxes are true theft. Some things do need to be paid for. Yet, when the true purpose of the "tax" is nothing more than to take my wealth, which represents my time and very life, and give it to another with neither my consent nor control it is theft and calling it "tax" does not change it.
I was raised on the command line, bitch
"Nemo me impune lacesset"
I don't know about everybody else, but I think people like you are dangerously stupid because. . .
A) You are apparently capable of saying patently ridiculous things without noticing. Example: "Conservatives outnumber you and then in the very same paragraph, "We don't like your advocacy of tyranny against the individual by the majority". That's stupid.
B) You mince words attempting to reconcile that Palin is not a smart person. (The short term, actually, is, "Retard"; A rose by any other name. And no, I don't say that in hatred. It's simply a cold fact. The woman is very, very dumb.) -And YET in spite of this recognition, you believe she has somehow managed to choose a core ideology which is NOT dumb? Newsflash: Stupid people do in fact believe stupid things. Those things are not stupid because I happen to disagree with them; they're stupid because they are demonstrably and logically flawed. I'm sure you've lost many an argument but simply re-booted your head and carried on as though nothing had changed because the core ideology was what mattered, not whether or not it actually works.
C) You evidently STILL have not yet worked out that it's not about Left or Right. ANYBODY who still falls for the divide and conquer technique of population control is a retard who deserves to suffer. You just happen to be the Republican variant.
D) You are capable in seriousness of saying things like, "You believe that Assange is a hero of some sort. While this may be the case if he were solely releasing secret information from tyrannical governments, he is more focused on damaging the credibility and security of nations in the west, most specifically the United States. "
No, no, no. Assange is an Israeli tool designed to sell lies about Arab nations sandwiched between irrelevant, previously known non-secrets, so as to better manipulate the West into bombing its enemies for them. Yes, people falling for Assange's hero bullshit are chumps. But you are a double chump because you haven't figured out yet that the entire U.S. leadership has been effectively blackmailed into playing along. Please research child prostitution rings in Washington to get a clue how this all works.
E) You are among those who think "Elitism" means "Educated", thereby exposing your low self-esteem which is probably why you use big words incorrectly throughout your little treatise. Sorry, (that's a low blow), but seriously. Funfact: The "Elite" are the banker families and their multi-billionaire managers of society who manipulate retarded people into playing the Liberal v.s. Conservative game in order to distract and rob them blind, (And build FEMA camps in the wings, among other things you don't have the emotional maturity to consider.)
Now. . .
You may go and re-boot.
"America is Great. Palin will give us back a nation we can be proud of."
Just repeat that idiocy three times and shut your eyes. You'll soon feel much better.
And for heaven's sake, try not to ask yourself how the world is supposed to pay back the debt accrued through fractional banking when all the money in existence was borrowed at interest from the banking cartels.
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Schwarzenegger was a self-made millionaire before he became a movie star.
You seem to consider yourself intelligent and educated. How do you suggest the rest of us intelligent, educated folk overcome the epically gargantuan financial advantage of major corporate interests, convince more than 1 in 5 people to vote at all, let alone to vote on the issues and not on a party ticket, and somehow fix our corrupt 2-party system in such a way that other motivated, intelligent, educated people stand a snowball's chance in a working blast furnace of getting elected? How then do we make sure that those people are and remain ethical and committed to fulfilling the will of the people?
The whole Bush is dumb vs. Bush is conspiring is not so hard really; he was a figurehead in many ways, and the power of his office was sorely misused by his advisors. In reality, Bush is quite intelligent and charismatic, and he chose people to run things that were intelligent and motivated. Unfortunately for his reputation, most of those people turned out to be power-mad psychos. For the record, I disagreed with nearly every major piece of legislation he authorized, numerous executive orders, appointments and nominations. I believe our nation would be a better place if he had not been elected. With that said, he's neither a moron nor a conspirator on the scale that is often implied. I could easily believe that he was in bed with the oil interests, though. Palin on the other hand may actually qualify as the dumbest decision in US history if elected.
-1 raving lunatic; +6 subGenius... Things even out...
What if you actually believe that Palin could be no worse then the current and last administration no matter how ignorant you think she is and just welcome someone who is straightforward. At least when I saw here speak, she just said it like she saw it. There was no say one thing and do another.
As the saying goes, sincerity is very important: once you can fake that you've got it made.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it