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Gentlemen Prefer Androids, Ladies iOS

Ponca City writes "PC World reports that women are more likely to buy an iPhone for their next smartphone purchase, while men prefer Android devices. According to data collected in October 2010, 31 percent of women wanted to buy an Apple iOS device next, followed by 22.8 percent interested in a Google Android device while among men preferences were reversed with 32.6 percent of men interested in an Android purchase and 28.6 desired an iOS phone. 'So where is the extra appeal of Android to men coming from?' asks Tracey E. Schelmetic. 'More male-targeted commercials that emphasize cool gadgetry versus usability? More techno-macho phone brand names like "Droid"? Extra advertising on the Spike channel by phone makers using the Android platform?'"

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  1. I'd suspect... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That Verizon's splashy "Android devices are death-robots from the future who can tear you to shreds with a single shot from their massive feature lists" campaign might have had something to do with that. And then you get into the fact that Apple has been producing devices with off-the-charts WAF for ages now...

    1. Re:I'd suspect... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      tear you to shreds with a single shot

      You couldn't be more right

    2. Re:I'd suspect... by LBArrettAnderson · · Score: 1

      Did you watch that video? The guy is making it up to get some money (he'll have more luck with getting money from news stations for interviews, since the evidence is clearly against him). The phone still works, which means a blown capacitor is very unlikely (and especially a blown up battery). The only thing wrong with it is the glass is cracked. He probably sandwiched the phone between his head and the car door as he was closing it.

    3. Re:I'd suspect... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suspect he was getting into the car while using the phone and stumbled. The phone next to his ear smacked the door's roof edge.

    4. Re:I'd suspect... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

      The physical construction of the phone makes his scenario extremely unlikely as well.

      The battery(basically the only source of energy sufficient to do any damage to the phone or its surroundings, none of the caps in that thing are other than tiny-size tantalum units,) is enclosed at the back of the phone only by a little plastic battery door. Were it to blow, it'd be totally plausible for that door to be melted/deformed/pop off and the user to suffer burns on their hand, wrist, possibly neck/shoulder, depending on the angle of the flames. On the other side of the battery, between it and the user's ear, is pretty much the entire damn phone. Toughened glass touchscreen, RF shielding, keyboard, logic board, etc. It would take an extraordinarily 'shaped' failure of the battery to cut through all that, rather than just exiting the battery compartment through the flimsy plastic door...

      Batteries can and do burn, often pretty enthusiastically, and "explosion" isn't totally inaccurate if they are enclosed at the time; but they aren't exactly shaped charges here, just some flames and hot gasses that would tend to exit the easy way.

  2. Duh! by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 5, Funny

    So where is the extra appeal of Android to men coming from?

    Uh, its right there in the name - android as in greek for man.
    If they wanted chicks to buy them they should have called then gynoids.

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    1. Re:Duh! by ak_hepcat · · Score: 1

      I'd buy that for a dollar.

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    2. Re:Duh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, now I see why Lady Gaga was chosen to advertise it in Japan.

      The male form-factor.

    3. Re:Duh! by jo42 · · Score: 0

      Android -> Hemorrhoid: Both end with the same sound...

    4. Re:Duh! by c0lo · · Score: 2
      Just to be pedantic: andras in greek is male, with the android a being a droid (robot) in a man shape.
      And yes, indeed, a droid in the shape of a woman would be called gynoid (even I'd prefer gyndroid).

      If Google would think to address the market segments for both sexes, it should have called the OS "androgynoid" (just kiddingly accusing Google of sexism here).

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    5. Re:Duh! by Homburg · · Score: 2

      "Gyndroid" would be wrong, though. "Android" comes from "Andros," which as you say means "man," and "oid," meaning "looking like" - so an "android" is something that looks like a man. The Greek for woman is "gyna," not "gyndra," so there's no "dr" to make "gyndroid." The word "droid" is a shortened form of "android."

      Greek actually does have a gender-neutral word meaning human being, "anthropos"; so you could have "anthropoid" to mean a robot in human form.

    6. Re:Duh! by Sethumme · · Score: 1

      Now I'm picturing a phone that starts with a robotic "POID"

    7. Re:Duh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would it be gynid then? Something along that line?

    8. Re:Duh! by UBfusion · · Score: 4, Informative

      As a native Greek speaker I have to insist and correct your correction: Andros is just an island in Greece, while the correct term for (male) man is "andras" as c0lo above noted. Also, the correct (ancient) Greek term for woman is "gyni' and not "gyna"

      It might be noteworthy in this context that the neutral term "antrhopos" derives from ancient Greek "ano"+"throskon" literally meaning "who is looking up", i.e. an animal that looks up and not down as most do.

    9. Re:Duh! by shawb · · Score: 1

      Gynoid.

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    10. Re:Duh! by justleavealonemmmkay · · Score: 1

      Someone should release an Android Fembot

    11. Re:Duh! by azalin · · Score: 1

      Now I'm picturing a phone that starts with a robotic "POID"

      Wasn't there some device on the market with POID as an anagram?
      If I could just remember the name...

    12. Re:Duh! by Lundse · · Score: 1

      You, sir, should be in marketing!

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    13. Re:Duh! by Grapplebeam · · Score: 1

      I figure the Gynoids, by Hajime Sorayama, were also for men.

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    14. Re:Duh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're right about it being "andras", but only in Modern Greek. In Ancient Greek, the word is "aner", and "andros" is the genitive singular.

      [bloody Slashdot not supporting Unicode--there should be a macron over the "e" in "aner"]

    15. Re:Duh! by janerules · · Score: 1

      "functional usability" for men "shiny and pretty" for women. It all boils down to your background. I got a droid because I needed the usability. Im in construction. Im a girl. And yes, I love Slashdot.

  3. Or... by ak_hepcat · · Score: 0, Troll

    The 'Droid platform doesn't accuse you of being a moron that can't judge useful content for yourself, unlike the JoBS.

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    1. Re:Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple - The always-on SaaS of the handicapped!?1!oneeleven...

    2. Re:Or... by BasilBrush · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Leaving the gender distinction alone, more people want an iPhone next than want an Android. Yet right now, Android is selling more than iPhone. The reason for that that distinction is obvious. Price. Some people settle for second best.

    3. Re:Or... by sribe · · Score: 1

      The 'Droid platform doesn't accuse you of being a moron that can't judge useful content for yourself, unlike the JoBS.

      There's a vast gulf between the ability to do something, and the desire to spend a lot of time doing it ;-)

    4. Re:Or... by Afforess · · Score: 1

      But the summary does:

      More male-targeted commercials emphasize cool gadgetry versus usability?".

      Clearly, males are total saps for falling for the Droids cool gadgets and widgets that provide little in the way of useful features...oh wait.

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    5. Re:Or... by mcvos · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't see how you need much more common sense to be able to operate a Droid in comparison to an iPhone. They're nearly identical.

      I think part of the draw for Android is that you can tweak and customize it more. And I don't just mean installing a custom OS. Also just customizing it with widgets and other stuff. Even just the stock "customizations" of manufacturers, like SenseUI and all those others. Android is pretty powerful and flexible there. And I suspect men are on average slightly more likely to tinker with their phones than women.

    6. Re:Or... by mcvos · · Score: 1

      So why do men prefer Androids while women prefer iPhones? Do women have more money to waste?

    7. Re:Or... by neumayr · · Score: 1

      Aren't you bitter. Of course people act the way that gets them the most favorable response. For women that is provoking the man's desire to protect them, for men it's meeting the woman's desire to feel protected.
      Very much simplified of course, but it seems that's an important underlying principle in mating behavior - it's much more about instinct than logic. 80/20 rule applies, obviously.

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    8. Re:Or... by jhoegl · · Score: 2

      So many jokes and satire... so little space.

    9. Re:Or... by jhoegl · · Score: 1

      Nope, I'm not bitter. It was a satirical piece based on what you describe in your post.

    10. Re:Or... by samkass · · Score: 5, Interesting

      If you actually pivot the data, though, you see that while Android preferers are vastly on the male side, iOS preferers are split pretty much 50/50. In other words, it's not that "women prefer iOS" so much as it's that Android only seems to appeal to males while iOS is balanced closer to what would be expected from a random sample.

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    11. Re:Or... by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      The only gender data is the survey, and that's about what people want. Not what they end up buying. So financial considerations are irrelevant.

      It's only when we consider the figures that are not split by gender that we can compare with what's actually bought. And that's when price comes in.

    12. Re:Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know about you, but here iPhones are the same price with contract as androids so I'm not seeing this price nonsense your muttering about.

    13. Re:Or... by mcvos · · Score: 1

      That's nice, but that's not really what this article is about. It is about the gender difference.

    14. Re:Or... by AJWM · · Score: 1

      The reason for that that distinction is obvious. Price. Some people settle for second best.

      Rarely. They settle for the best for their particular definition of best. That can include economic factors. To them the Android is best because it does everything they need at the price they're willing to pay.

      Personally I wouldn't take an iPhone if you gave it to me.

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    15. Re:Or... by ZDRuX · · Score: 1

      So basically we like fucking with shit. Gotcha! ;)

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    16. Re:Or... by cjb658 · · Score: 1

      You might be on to something there. Men hate being told what to do, or that they can't do something because it's dangerous.

      For women, however, it's a familiar concept.

    17. Re:Or... by gmhowell · · Score: 2

      I'm glad that there are one or two people around here who can actually look at statistics with a bit of sense.

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    18. Re:Or... by the_humeister · · Score: 1

      I like my Android phone. But one thing the iOS does really well is languages. It even does Chinese input. That's pretty impressive. My phone only does Spanish, French, and English.

    19. Re:Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's what she said.

    20. Re:Or... by PaKL · · Score: 1

      Ah well done ! You have made my morning
      True as it might be it certainly put a smile on my face :)

    21. Re:Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's the quickest way to negative moderation... say something negative about their favorite multi-billion dollar company or Jobs.

      The Apple Hivemind can not allow any dissent.

    22. Re:Or... by Idiomatick · · Score: 0

      Most stats I've seen show that most people want an android.

    23. Re:Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know what is said about many males who use Apple devices though.

    24. Re:Or... by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Read it all the way to the end. The data I mentioned from the survey is in there. It's not irrelevant just because the article author chose his main focus elsewhere.

    25. Re:Or... by BasilBrush · · Score: 0

      Rarely. They settle for the best for their particular definition of best. That can include economic factors.

      You're on your own with that definition. When people talk about "the best", they mean the best, regardless of price. It's only if they qualify it with "best VALUE" or "best for under $X" that cost comes into it.

      Personally I wouldn't take an iPhone if you gave it to me.

      More the fool you. Clearly if they were being given away, more people would be queueing for the free iPhones than the free Androids. That follows from the survey data.

    26. Re:Or... by E+IS+mC(Square) · · Score: 0

      Well, he may be talking out of his arse, but you certainly are talking out of Jobs' arse. Take your head out once in a while and breath some fresh air for fuck sake.

    27. Re:Or... by amRadioHed · · Score: 1

      Android does Chinese input, look for the Google Pinyin IME in the market. I agree thought that the iPhone does it better. The Google Pinyin keyboard is nowhere as good as the default keyboard when it comes to non-Chinese input, and it's a bit cumbersome switching between installed keyboards.

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    28. Re:Or... by AJWM · · Score: 1

      When people talk about "the best", they mean the best, regardless of price.

      Maybe so, but that's still a very subjective definition, encompassing a lot of variables. Different people weight those differently.

      The best money can buy doesn't necessarily mean the most expensive. Marketeers know the value of an inflated price is entirely in the eye of the holder; ie, for some items one increases demand by increasing the price. Buying decisions are rarely completely rational.

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    29. Re:Or... by mcvos · · Score: 1

      My phone only does Spanish, French, and English.

      After the 2.1 update, my phone automatically switched to Dutch. Bloody annoying. I mean, I am Dutch, but I prefer to have my computers in English, and my Milestone counts as computer to me.

    30. Re:Or... by Cederic · · Score: 1

      It could be worse. What if you'd been living in Poland, or Greece..

    31. Re:Or... by jareth-0205 · · Score: 1

      The reason for that that distinction is obvious. Price. Some people settle for second best.

      Hehe, how does your Bugatti Veyron drive then? Sometimes there's a concept of 'overpriced' too, and since the difference between a HTC Desire and a iPhone 4 is nearly 50% more (just over £400 vs just over £600), I know what I decided.

    32. Re:Or... by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      Language *input* though, I think the droid has it (at least some droids - I haven't seen it on all handsets), with the ability to trace words that you're typing on the keyboard, and have the phone interpret what letters you touched in what order to form likely words.

      It was an excellent way to write text messages, and I wish iOS had it.

    33. Re:Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's hard to take any comment BasilBrush makes in this topic with any degree of actual concern given Basil's proudly displayed bias towards a particular phone. It is fine you like iPhone, as evidenced by sales, lots of people do. Lots of people also like their Android phones, again, evidenced by sales. You, however, just seem content on parroting fanboiesque talking points and chest thumping.

      My only question is, on what info are you basing the 'second best' comment? Sales? Specs? Cost/Benefits? I am genuinely curious.

    34. Re:Or... by AioKits · · Score: 1

      When people talk about "the best", they mean the best, regardless of price.

      There are also people who use that line of reasoning to justify buying $2000 gold plated digital audio cables and $500 reverberation minimizing wooden knobs for their stereo equipment.

      By what criteria are you judging something to be 'the best' in this instance of iOS versus Droid phones?

      I only ask because I have searched your comments and did not see this. Admittedly, some of your comments were modded below my browsing level so I had to go into your profile to read them as well, but still may have missed something.

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    35. Re:Or... by Lundse · · Score: 1

      Or, they want an iPhone until they start shopping and more than price might make them change their mind. Maybe the feature list.

      I do think you are mostly right, though, except I wouldn't call it "second best", but "second choice" :-)

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    36. Re:Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't see how you need much more common sense to be able to operate a Droid in comparison to an iPhone. They're nearly identical.

      No, they're not. Their feature list is almost identical, but their UIs are very different. Android tries to be a full OS whereas iOS is basically just an app launcher. The iPhone's simpler metaphor is what allows it to be less intimidating to non-technical users.

      The biggest technophobe I've known is my mom. She's the type that will write down the steps to do something on post-it notes after I show her how. And she's the type that saw "move file to folder X" as a completely different procedure from "move file to folder Y." So when I gave her an Android phone I'd received at a Google conference, I wasn't surprised that she struggled with it. She eventually figured out how to use the phone and address book, but never figured out how to adjust the ringer and never ventured beyond that. It was essentially a glorified version of her previous feature phone. So when she started talking about getting an iPhone, I thought it would be a waste of money. But since I was upgrading to an iPhone 4, I decided to give her my old 3G. After performing the same setup I had with the Android phone (setup email account and install SIM), I dropped it off at her house with a promise to show her how to use it the next time I saw her. Before I had a chance to do that, she'd already emailed me that she'd figured out the phone app, had downloaded the Facebook app to communicate with her friends and wanted me to download a scrabble app she'd found so we could play online. And the tag at the end of the email..."Sent from my iPhone."

      It always amazes me at how disingenuous people here are sometimes. They'll insist that iOS and Android are nearly identical when people say that iPhone is easier to use but then argue that Android is more powerful and can do more than iPhone. There's no disputing the greater flexibility of Android phones, at least not for me. I've used both devices (I've owned 2 iPhones and received 3 Android phones at conferences.) But that flexibility adds complexity, which makes them confusing for many people. Just because the typical /. reader can easily deal with that complexity doesn't mean that everyone can.

    37. Re:Or... by ravenscar · · Score: 1

      I'd say the reason for that is "choice of carriers." A lot of people are happy with Verizon, Sprint/Nextel, T-Mobile, etc. The iPhone simply isn't enough to get them to switch carriers - especially to the much-maligned AT&T. For those that might prefer the iPhone, the combination of a nice Android device and their preferred carrier is the superior option.

      Granted, price probably comes into play in carrier preference (ie T-Mobile), but quality of service and other factors are often as, if not more, important (ie Verizon).

    38. Re:Or... by geoffrobinson · · Score: 1

      Yes, by my calculations only -5% of the Slashdot community can do this.

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    39. Re:Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also Verizon. I won't change networks. I won't buy a new phone until I can get an iPhone on Verizon's network (without any modifications by Verizon).

    40. Re:Or... by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      By what criteria are you judging something to be 'the best' in this instance of iOS versus Droid phones?

      By the criteria that more people want one as their next phone.

      I only ask because I have searched your comments and did not see this.

      I did mention it.

      Admittedly, some of your comments were modded below my browsing level

      On this particular topic yes. Plenty of Android fan boys with mod points.

    41. Re:Or... by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 1

      Christmas is coming up. Let's wait until January for sale figures to be released before getting too comfortable with the idea that Android is selling more than the iPhone, to say nothing of including iPod Touch sales.

    42. Re:Or... by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 1

      Women may be more willing to spend extra money to get something they think is going to cause them less headaches. Men may be more willing to risk reliability in order to have more tech to play with.

    43. Re:Or... by mcvos · · Score: 1

      Interesting. (And your post deserves to be modded up as such.)

      I don't notice much difference between iPhone and Android, but as you say, I'm pretty tech-savvy compared to the average user. I admit I can see a few minor differences that might make a lot if difference to some people. The Android Market just isn't terribly friendly, in my experience. Not that iPhone's App Store makes it easy to find stuff, but maybe it's just enough of a difference to matter. More importantly, though: when you install a new app, it shows up on your home screen immediately. Not on Android; there, the home screens clearly provide shortcuts to the much larger range of apps in the app folder. And that extra step might make others wonder where their new app went.

      Email? I have trouble believing that iPhone email is really easier. I certainly never liked it. But in general, I see what you mean. Android is really easy for people who know how computers work. The iPhone is easy even for people who don't.

  4. guys love porn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    android is for porn remember????

    1. Re:guys love porn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you're confused. It's the internet that's for porn, not the android. The android is for using porn, and the apple is for children who shouldn't be seeing it.

    2. Re:guys love porn by zakeria · · Score: 1

      But that argument is now irrelevant as all .flv formats on any site work now on the iPhone!

    3. Re:guys love porn by c0lo · · Score: 1

      The android is for using porn

      I fail to see how this makes android phones only for man.

      I mean, what?... do androids (phones) lack vibrating mode?

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    4. Re:guys love porn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that's what I was going to say. It can play on iPhone more recently, though...

    5. Re:guys love porn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're worng! Internet is forn pr0n,,,,
      Android is also for pr0n butt in othar ways! woops!

    6. Re:guys love porn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You clearly missed the article a few months back where Steve Jobs was bashing Google and Android for allowing porn applications on the Android Market, which he was trying to use as a point for why the Apple Store is far superior.

    7. Re:guys love porn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So obvious, huh? Internet (and devices to access it) are the only way of using porn, eh?

      Clearly a lack of imagination most probably caused by dwelling in a basement.

  5. No no no... by jhoegl · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Because the Android isn't about ME.
    Think of the naming conventions used
    "i"Phone, about the individual (although one could easily argue it is a controlled environment brought on by monopolistic practices)
    Droid, autonomous device that empowers the user through its open architecture.
    Of course I could be one sided, as (DISCLAIMER) I have a Droid.

    1. Re:No no no... by neumayr · · Score: 1

      Want real empowerment? Use the shitty excuse for a phone that's the N900.

      Disclaimer: I own one of these beasts, and I hate it.

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    2. Re:No no no... by jhoegl · · Score: 1

      No thanks, I prefer Motorola's iteration of the droids. Their hardware is very good. The droid I have is heavy, made of solid pieces and is a mans man phone. The Droid X is a little lighter, but superior functionality.
      If this trend continues with Motorola, I will be getting another Motorola Droid in about 1.5 years.
      Of course your experience is correct, because the Android is so open, multiple companies have tried to implement the Android software. This leads to crappy phones and their implementation, not a crappy OS.

    3. Re:No no no... by neumayr · · Score: 1

      Oh no, the N900 is no Android phone, its OS no Android clone.

      It's a phone with real, open (for the most part), root access by design Linux system with multitasking and everything. And let me tell you, Linux is _not_ ready for the cellphone.

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    4. Re:No no no... by jhoegl · · Score: 1

      Ah, well I have seen some bad iterations of the Android architecture. It saddens me, because the hardware is crap but it makes the software look bad.

    5. Re:No no no... by gmuslera · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Your mistake was to think that the N900 is a cellphone. Is a portable computer/tablet/whatever that can also make phone calls. If you want just a phone is not the best, but i would not change it anyway. Im afraid to find how limited are the users of other cellphones.

    6. Re:No no no... by neumayr · · Score: 2

      Yes, it's a powerful device, hardware wise (except for the omission of a compass *facepalm*..). Its software though really brings it to its knees, leading to sluggish UI responsiveness and general bad performance. That and the occasional weird bug and Nokia's support politics doesn't make it a very usable portable computer.

      Sure other cellphones are limited in comparison, but what they do usually works as intended.

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    7. Re:No no no... by SoloFlyer2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Among my group of friends we own 6 N900's the only ones who have problems with performance are the ones who are curious enough to enable development/testing repos, then go and install everything that sounds interesting...

      The more technical folks realise that when performance starts to suffer, its probably because of something they did to their phone, so they go and look for something using stupid amounts of memory...

      The people who are less technical blame the phone...

      If your having problems and you dont know how to fix them, then reflash your phone to factory, and dont enable testing/development

      If you actually know what your doing look for the memory hogs ( and yes one of the flashlight apps is a know memory hog )

      Nokia sold you a phone that works great! it runs a standard linux system and isnt locked down!!!

      its not their fault if you modify it to the point it runs like crap

      if you need to be protected from yourself go buy an iphone ( or get someone who knows what they are doing to lock down your n900 for you )

      End Rant

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    8. Re:No no no... by AusIV · · Score: 1

      What about the myTouch? It's 100% you!

      </cheesiemarketing>

    9. Re:No no no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because the Android isn't about ME.

      Generalization is a logical fallacy, which means your argument = null;

      As an individual, I go Blackberry for the functionality and the fact that corporate America loves it.

      As a woman, I detest your generalization of >50% of the population. But that's how surveys work, no?

    10. Re:No no no... by DrInequality · · Score: 1

      I second that. N900 is an ok portable linux device but a shitty phone and hardware is behind the times. Mine decided to prove the point - now it's phone functions don't work at all!

    11. Re:No no no... by BasilBrush · · Score: 0

      if you need to be protected from yourself go buy an iphone

      Or indeed, if you need a smartphone that just works rather than being a tinker-toy and a time-sink, get an iPhone.

    12. Re:No no no... by Cederic · · Score: 1

      The n900 goes the other way. It's a magnificent piece of hardware with an OS that's not quite as good as Android (or probably iOS).

      I don't have the hate for it that neumayr's mustering, although I don't recommend it to friends - I tell them all to go Android.

      Unfortunately I'm still waiting for an Android phone that can match the hardware spec of the n900..

    13. Re:No no no... by asdfghjklqwertyuiop · · Score: 1

      Droid, autonomous device that empowers the user through its open architecture.

      Can you tell me when they're going to follow through and actually deliver this "empowers the user" and "open architecture" stuff people keep talking about? I have a droid 2. It came with some "CityID" nagware that asks me if I want to continue using the trial version every time I hang up a phone call. It also came with Quickoffice (some office suite, I guess) which a couple weeks ago sent me some notification saying the "professional version" or whatever was on sale that day. I'd like to get rid of all these worthless apps but the phone won't let me uninstall them - the option is greyed out. I'm not feeling very empowered.

    14. Re:No no no... by JuniorJack · · Score: 1

      Nokia sold you a phone ... isnt locked down!!!

      So they gave you the private key for the TrustZone locked down baseband ?

    15. Re:No no no... by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      I admit the phone side of it is rather clumsy, but it works OK for me as a phone and as a handheld PC it's excellent. What happened with yours that was so terrible?

      --
      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
    16. Re:No no no... by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2

      I agree, I'd only recommend the N900 to people with some techie inclination. The OS doesn't serve you everything on a silver platter like iOS. Maybe later versions of the OS will be more n00b-friendly.

      There are lots of Android phones with better specs than the N900 BTW (except for internal storage capacity). The N900's pretty dated now hardware-wise, but it still has the best software by far.

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      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
    17. Re:No no no... by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Im afraid to find how limited are the users of other cellphones.

      I feel so goddamn sorry for them every single day.

      The other day a woman at my office wanted some help moving music from her old iPod somethingorother to an iPod Touch. I had some time so why not.

      Now when I went from my Treo 650 to my N900, I just copied the music from the Treo's card to the N900. That's all. Nothing needed but a file browser and USB mass storage support.

      Well to get the music off the old iPod we'd need iTunes or something compatible. An iPod is "paired" with an instance of iTunes so we had to use an unofficial playlist manager. Got an app called Sharepod and got the music off.

      And then we plug in the iPod Touch and...nothing happens. It turns out Apple used a different protocol in the newer model to try to lock out unofficial music manager applications. So we tried WinAmp (was it always an adware-ish POS?) with a bleeding-edge plugin to support the newer models, which they were able to make from leaked specifications. It didn't work, and it didn't help that the crappy office antivirus' heuristic scanner kept killing this plugin. So she had to take the music home on a flash drive to move it to her iPod Touch.

      I've also been talking with a friend trying to set up tethering on an iPhone, which is a massive PITA.

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      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
    18. Re:No no no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Think of the naming conventions used
      "i"Phone, about the individual (although one could easily argue it is a controlled environment brought on by monopolistic practices)

      Ummm, no. The whole "i" thing was supposed to mean INTERNET, back when the INTERNET was shiny & new to most people. There are lots of "i" products out there, from many companies aside from Apple.

      Similarly, there are lots of "e" products.

    19. Re:No no no... by NiteShaed · · Score: 1

      Droid, autonomous device that empowers the user through its open architecture.

      And yet still requires someone to figure out a complicated procedure (I'm not talking about using UnrEVOked, I'm talking about the guys who came up with UnrEVOked to make it easier on the rest of us) to get root if they want to do something crazy like uninstall the crapware that the providers preload.

      I love my Evo, and Android is great, and getting better with each iteration, but can we drop the "Android is great because it's OPEN" nonsense? That open-ness isn't available to the guy who wants his phone to just do things out of the box, it's nearly as closed off as an iPhone for that guy. Yeah, you can sideload more easily, big deal, most people never leave the Android market.

      I came to the Evo from a Palm Pre, and WebOS was a fantastic and actually open OS from the user perspective. Linux under a pretty UI, and all you had to do for root was to enter a dev-mode code. Hell, even older Windows Mobile (had a couple of Moto Q's as well) was more "open" from the user's perspective than Android phones tend to be.

      Now, correct me, please. How does Android "empower the user through its open architecture" in a way that the iPhone doesn't? And I mean for average users, not super-geeks. If we're going to talk super-geeks, you have to account for Jailbreaking just as much as you do rooting 'droid and loading custom ROMs.

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    20. Re:No no no... by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Could you suggest a GSM/3G Android phone available in the UK with superior spec, including keyboard, and at least 32gb onboard storage?

      That's all I'm really after :)

      The Milestone 2 and Desire Z are comparable, but I'm waiting for next-gen and something a little better. There's a lot of rapid evolution in that marketplace, so never a need to rush for any specific feature.

    21. Re:No no no... by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure there's nothing else with 32GB onboard storage available right now.

      I hardly use the storage on mine, I'd really like more RAM and a faster CPU (although overclocking helps with the CPU, at 850MHz the only things I'd need more processing power for are HD videos, some of the CPU-intensive emulators like DOSbox, and some flash games).

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      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
    22. Re:No no no... by Cederic · · Score: 1

      CPU isn't a major issue for me. I do however use my phone as an mp3 player, so I want enough space for my music and also for mp3 and video podcasts - I watch TED talks as I walk to work..

    23. Re:No no no... by Lundse · · Score: 1

      if you need to be protected from yourself go buy an iphone

      Or indeed, if you need a smartphone that just works rather than being a tinker-toy and a time-sink, get an iPhone.

      ...or an android phone like the Wildfire (or Desire if it needs to look smart) which costs less, can do about the same and just don't fiddle with it till you need to...

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    24. Re:No no no... by neumayr · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, you're paying for the privilege to tinker with the OS with the requirement to tinker with it for even the advertised features to work.
      E.g. with PR1.2, I needed to replace libpulse to get Skype calls to work. The camera's exposure controls still don't work with a custom ISO setting.

      Opening your device shouldn't be seen as a cheap way to get out of actually supporting it.

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      Truth arises more readily from error than from confusion. -Francis Bacon
    25. Re:No no no... by neumayr · · Score: 1

      How did you like transferring your SMS to the N900?

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      Truth arises more readily from error than from confusion. -Francis Bacon
    26. Re:No no no... by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Skype worked for me right out of the box and through all the upgrades. I tried changing the ISO setting to a custom one and adjusting the exposure, it seems to work...

      The only major out-of-the-box screwups were the mail client's Outlook connection and the retarded media tracker configuration which will bring the device to a crawl - the default tracker configuration indexes almost everything on the device, when it should only look at a few select directories.

      The earlier firmwares didn't support special dialing codes but there was a script for that in about 5 minutes and an app for it within a week or so.

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      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
    27. Re:No no no... by Lord+Kestrel · · Score: 1

      Once Winamp was bought out by aol, it went to hell. Or I should say, development basically stopped, and the adware junk you're seeing started showing up. It's still useful, but it hasn't changed in the last 15ish years.

    28. Re:No no no... by Lord+Kestrel · · Score: 1

      Your mistake was buying a Motorola phone. Next time, stick with a vendor that doesn't add their own crapware on top of Android. The original Nexus One was good, presumably the upcoming Nexus S will be the same.

      That doesn't help with your current phone, but luckily that's a relatively easy process to fix, assuming a basic level of computer competency. You found Slashdot, so hopefully that means you fit the requirements.

      There are two ways of fixing your problem, the easy way and the good way. The easy way:

      Get root
      adb uninstall /path/to/shit/application.apk
      adb remove /path/to/shit/application.apk

      Hopefully there aren't any other processes that require that apk, or they'll break. Seeing as how you're using a phone with all kinds of vendor crap dropped on top of the os, and custom 'motoblur', etc you may have a problem. Hopefully it works.

      The good way:
      Go to xda, install a custom rom (I use cyanogen, but it doesn't look like there is one for the droid 2)
      You can try this one, looks like it's pretty close to stock: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=851623
      Congratulations, you now have an Android device that isn't crippled by vendor bloatware. Hopefully you've learned your lesson for the future.

    29. Re:No no no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The "i" is for "internet". But you already knew that.

    30. Re:No no no... by asdfghjklqwertyuiop · · Score: 1

      Are there any android phones that are actually open besides the Nessus One/S?

    31. Re:No no no... by Lord+Kestrel · · Score: 1

      None of the new ones are quite as open, but there are several that are considered easier to work with. I believe the g2, mytouch 4g, and the desire are the easiest ones, but I don't have any of them so I can't say for sure. All of them have custom roms, and while they don't come unlocked like the nexus, they are quite simple to get root on.

  6. Also by guyminuslife · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Males tend to be more tech-savvy.

    Oh, before you mod me flamebait, correlation != causation.

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    1. Re:Also by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      In addition, male iPhone users tend to be homosexual.

      Oh, before you mod me flamebait, correlation != causation.

    2. Re:Also by neumayr · · Score: 1

      Yes, why is it that we invest so much energy in figuring out obviously (due to its need to be figured out) flawed technology?
      Sure, we get good at it, but what's the point?

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      Truth arises more readily from error than from confusion. -Francis Bacon
    3. Re:Also by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A few years ago, girls at my office were buying LG Shine because the back plate was metal and reflective like a mirror. Thus it was used like one. For them, that was the grandest feature.

    4. Re:Also by guyminuslife · · Score: 1

      What I'm wondering is why we spend so much time learning things in school. The curriculum is obviously flawed, because otherwise we'd already know it.

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    5. Re:Also by neumayr · · Score: 1

      That's a good point.
      But it boils down to the question: Is computer technology inherently hard to use?

      The world is hard to get, making general education necessary. I'm not so sure about computer usage though.

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      Truth arises more readily from error than from confusion. -Francis Bacon
    6. Re:Also by PsychoSlashDot · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Males tend to be more tech-savvy.

      I'll agree with your generalization and offer you another. Women tend to be marketed to for purposes of fashion more than men. iPhones are "cool", "hip", and "trendy". Android phones have a larger feature list which is inherently none of those three things.

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    7. Re:Also by story645 · · Score: 1

      For them, that was the grandest feature.

      I bought my phone 'cause the case was rubber and it came with a carbuncle, so I don't see what's wrong with buying a phone based on it having some random feature built into the design that's highly useful for the person buying it? Especially when just a few years ago most phones had comparable features as far as the buyer is concerned.

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    8. Re:Also by RulerOf · · Score: 1

      But it boils down to the question: Is computer technology inherently hard to use?

      No. It's the metaphors, like files and folders, GUI and cursor, icons, etc. that are hard to comprehend.

      Lack of comprehension impedes understanding.

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    9. Re:Also by Idiomatick · · Score: 1

      Yeah, good old fashioned stereotypes answer this one pretty easy.

      FTFS: "More male-targeted commercials that emphasize cool gadgetry versus 'omg its so shinnnny and pretty'?"

      Apple wants its products to fit well into a purse. Google wants it products to be fast and featureful.

    10. Re:Also by jedidiah · · Score: 0

      > Sure, we get good at it, but what's the point?

      You can do more.

      You can replicate for $200 something that a few rich people might spend $5000 or $15000.

      You can do something simple that the Apple devices can't but any cheap Nokia can.

      Tech choices are still at the "easy but does less" versus "harder but does more" stage.

      --
      A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
    11. Re:Also by gtall · · Score: 0

      I don't know. It sounds like men just fall for macho advertising by Business School Product. Men aren't inherently any smarter or dumber than women.

    12. Re:Also by PsychoSlashDot · · Score: 1

      I don't know. It sounds like men just fall for macho advertising by Business School Product. Men aren't inherently any smarter or dumber than women.

      Not once did I say or even imply that either sex is smarter or dumber than the other. I pointed out a difference in the focus of advertisement; fashion is a primary focus for women. It is not for men. Men tend to be marketed to by lengthy lists of features.

      All things considered, I was pretty careful to point out that men get green, women get red, and there's a reddish tinge to iPhone while there's a greenish tinge to Android. Neither red nor green have anything to do with intelligence.

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    13. Re:Also by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Males tend to be more tech-savvy.

      I'll agree with your generalization and offer you another. Women tend to be marketed to for purposes of fashion more than men. iPhones are "cool", "hip", and "trendy". Android phones have a larger feature list which is inherently none of those three things.

      Also - Men like to get their hands dirty under the hood.

    14. Re:Also by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wondered when someone hit the nail on the head

      Most blokes I know outside geek circle fanboyism really don't give a fuck what phone they have. They'll just go to the shop and buy whichever they like most, so with Android having more handsets it's no suprise it gets a bigger share.

      In contrast, women want the latest fashion item, and the iPhone is just that, a fashion item.

    15. Re:Also by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you're saying women are stupid people who follow popular trends like sheep and don't concern them with actual benefits. ....

      I'm not arguing against that point. Thought it was well made actually.

    16. Re:Also by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But in the actual marketing, Apple's ads simply show off what apps the phone can run. Droid/Android ads just make you think it is a killer robot. I guess showing you what the product does is how you seem cool, hip, and trendy.

      Up is down and down is up, I guess.

    17. Re:Also by Der+Einzige · · Score: 1

      I'll give a counter-generalization: Women, by and large, don't even think about whether a machine makes them look more "feminine." Men, on the other hand, are apparently obsessed with the question of whether a device makes them look "masculine." I know women with Android phones and I know women who drive huge ugly trucks. I have yet to meet a man who would even consider driving a VW New Beetle, because "it's a girl's car."

    18. Re:Also by Terrasque · · Score: 1
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    19. Re:Also by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      Hah. Android advertising is just as much geared to image as iPhone, it's just a different image they're appealing to. It's the geek version of a pickup truck -- lots of features that few people use on a regular basis, but it sure gives that tough, rugged look.

    20. Re:Also by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 1

      Only on Slashdot could this be considered so insightful.

      All this tells us is about the type of women you are more bias to noticing.

    21. Re:Also by PsychoSlashDot · · Score: 1

      Only on Slashdot could this be considered so insightful.

      All this tells us is about the type of women you are more bias to noticing.

      Seriously? I'll admit that in my attempt to be brief I didn't apply any limits to the generalization I was drawing. For instance, take it as a given that that I'm referring to North American women.

      Here's your task, Mr. (or Mrs.) Men-And-Women-Are-Identical. Go to a large bookstore. Go to the magazine section. Watch men. Watch women. Note which sections women browse in. Note which sections men browse in. Stay long enough to determine on average which sections are more heavily trafficked by each sex. Next step. Go to those sections, and actually [i]browse[/i] the contents of the magazines on offer. You're going to find remarkable support for my supposition.

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      "Oh no... he found the .sig setting."
    22. Re:Also by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 1

      Of course there are differences between men and women, but when it comes to this type of thing, the average between the sexes can often be smaller than the standard deviation within one sex.

      My main point was that unless you have done scientific surveys, you probably have a subconscious bias -- we all do. I know that as a reasonably typical male, I'm probably more likely to be able to recall and analyze the actions of well-dressed, attractive women than those of who I don't find attractive.

      By going to the magazine section of a book store, you have already made a selection bias. And who knows what people would have a flick through if they weren't in a public space.

    23. Re:Also by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Android phones have a larger feature list

      Ha ha! Nice one. You gotta be kidding us pal..
      - FaceTime
      - Find my iPhone
      - Desktop sync
      - Local device backup
      - Desktop media store
      - Wireless printing
      - Excellent software store, with fantastic applications
      - Consistency (since June 2007, where was Android then? It must have been leading in features then too, yes? In June 2007?)
      - Supported updates to latest OS for 2+ years
      - No ``Task Manager'' (this is a feature--only baby software needs a minder, like MS Exchange)

      Next you'll be tellin' us Android excels past iOS in User Experience!! TM! (this android lag thing is so much fun to play! For 100 points try and guess how long before it responds to the next gesture!!)

      iOS is on a fantastic hardware tablet. Where is Android? Google says don't use it. Why? Because Android is a follower of iOS and they need time to follow for a tablet Android. Therefore Android )

  7. 4 out of 5 she-males choose iPhone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pre-op transgenders prefer Apple products.

  8. So wassup! by mswhippingboy · · Score: 0

    You "girly-man" iPhone toting guys... be a real man and get an Andriod phone ;P

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    Sometimes the light at the end of the tunnel is the headlight of an oncoming train.
    1. Re:So wassup! by zakeria · · Score: 1

      Real men don't use phones!!

    2. Re:So wassup! by mcvos · · Score: 4, Funny

      Real men just shout loud enough that whoever they want to reach, can hear them.

      And they don't get lost, so they don't need no stinking GPS either.

    3. Re:So wassup! by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Real men just shout loud enough that whoever they want to reach, can hear them.

      No, that's the wannabes. Real men whisper, and Things Happen.

      Anyhow, I think that there probably is a correlation between aesthetics and gender, and that enough women buy an iPhone because it to them is prettier to skew the numbers.

    4. Re:So wassup! by Ksevio · · Score: 2

      Well according to , iPhone users have more sex. Doesn't say if it's straight sex, but it's a pretty significant difference.

    5. Re:So wassup! by mswhippingboy · · Score: 5, Funny

      Masturbating to a video of Steve Jobs on your iPhone doesn't count.

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      Sometimes the light at the end of the tunnel is the headlight of an oncoming train.
    6. Re:So wassup! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't say they have more sex, it says iPhone users are more slutty (have more 'sexual partners'). A part time hooker can have many more sexual partners but not be having nearly as much sex as a very happy couple

    7. Re:So wassup! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well according to , iPhone users have more sex. Doesn't say if it's straight sex, but it's a pretty significant difference.

      Ave. number of sexual partners @ age 30

      That image says nothing about how much sex they are having.

    8. Re:So wassup! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My take on that article was that iPhone owners were insecure in their relationships and to some extent themselves, which precludes them to always have the flashiest phone/car/partner

      just my take

    9. Re:So wassup! by Deliveranc3 · · Score: 1

      Simplicity, every conversation you can avoid with a girl is a conversation in the right direction.

      Change your name to Tom or Rob, change your age to approximate theirs, simplify your job description, pretend you got a B.A., you will get laid more.

      Of course those relationships will be shallow but so will any relationship between extroverted sillies who meet in a bar.

      On the other hand I feel that girls I meet with iPhones are simply poor consumers. Not a colossal turn off but a turn off none the less.

  9. More likely ... by khasim · · Score: 4, Insightful

    31 vs 32.6 falls within the unspecified margin of error for that "survey".

    1. Re:More likely ... by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      Yes, but 22% of women interested in buying Android vs. 31% for iPhone probably doesn't fall into that margin of error.

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    2. Re:More likely ... by codegen · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But 28.6 vs 32.6 probably does, meaning men don't really have much of a preference.

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    3. Re:More likely ... by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The question is, "why do men like Android more than women?" Of course they like women more, but for whatever reason, they have a more favorable opinion of android than women do.

      This could be for a lot of reasons, but the idea that Android marketing is aimed at men sounds reasonable.

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      Qxe4
    4. Re:More likely ... by redJag · · Score: 3, Funny

      The answer is because the only time their Android phone nags them is when their is a new update to install.

    5. Re:More likely ... by LongearedBat · · Score: 1

      The question is, "why do men like Android more than women?" Of course they like women more

      Because androids are the blow-up dolls of the future?

    6. Re:More likely ... by WillKemp · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The iPhone, like all Apple products, is really just a piece of high-tech, fashionable jewellery. Jewellery generally tends to appeal to women more than men.

    7. Re:More likely ... by WillKemp · · Score: 1

      Hmmmm.... Having said that, i think everyone i know who has Apple computers are women (almost entirely notebooks). But i do know one man who owns an iPhone.

    8. Re:More likely ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It aslo corexts they're spellling.

    9. Re:More likely ... by eleuthero · · Score: 1

      I got into the iphone 'craze' (or whatever) because of my wife's macbook pro... she needed a smartphone for work and her options were blackberry (did slot machines with her contact info and took a while to fix even with time machine helping out) and the iphone at the time. She switched to the iphone and, as a teacher, I switched from windows mobile the next day because it was better than anything available at the time for what was needed.

      Why do I still use a completely closed system? Investment (paid apps--none of which are games) and it still works for what it needs to do. I don't need tethering (wifi is pretty ubiquitous) and I don't need root access--I simply need a phone that happens to have most of the functions of a small computer.

    10. Re:More likely ... by davester666 · · Score: 1

      It also could be that when men hear 'android', they think 'sexbot'...

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    11. Re:More likely ... by azalin · · Score: 1

      reminds me of http://nicogold.free.fr/imgapl/iMacGirl800x600.jpg

    12. Re:More likely ... by metlin · · Score: 1

      I do not know what target demographic this is from, but just the other day, I was observing the iPhones:Blackberry ratio in a meeting.

      It was an exec meeting, and pretty much only two people had Blackberries -- an ibanker dude and a consultant chick. Pretty much everyone had an iPhone, and most had the latest version even.

    13. Re:More likely ... by Chrisq · · Score: 2

      Hmmmm.... Having said that, i think everyone i know who has Apple computers are women (almost entirely notebooks). But i do know one man who owns an iPhone.

      He must be gay

    14. Re:More likely ... by rvw · · Score: 1

      Hmmmm.... Having said that, i think everyone i know who has Apple computers are women (almost entirely notebooks). But i do know one man who owns an iPhone.

      I think he's a Lady!

    15. Re:More likely ... by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      You should warn people when you post a link to a scantily clad anime girl. Somehow that is among the worst things to get caught looking at in the office.

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      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
    16. Re:More likely ... by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2

      Why do I still use a completely closed system? Investment (paid apps--none of which are games) and it still works for what it needs to do. I don't need tethering (wifi is pretty ubiquitous) and I don't need root access--I simply need a phone that happens to have most of the functions of a small computer.

      In other words, you allowed yourself to be successfully locked in.

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      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
    17. Re:More likely ... by somersault · · Score: 1

      The fact it reminded him of blow up dolls didn't give you a hint that it might be NSFW?

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    18. Re:More likely ... by eleuthero · · Score: 1

      yep.

    19. Re:More likely ... by MasterGwaha · · Score: 1

      Androids never say 'no'

    20. Re:More likely ... by whong09 · · Score: 1

      I can't believe how grossly misquoted the article is. Whoever summarized this article needs to be shot.

      One surprising statistic, however, occurs when the stats are organized by sex. Slightly more women than men (30.9 percent versus 28.6, respectively) expressed Apple's iPhone as a first choice...not much of a difference. However, when it comes to phones running Android, a significant number of men versus women (32.6 percent versus 22.8 percent) would choose the Google mobile platform.

      The numbers support an opposite argument, that women have a marginal or nonexistent preference for the iPhone while there is a statistically significant preference from men for Android phones.

    21. Re:More likely ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how was this marked insightful? really? a macbook pro with the highest customer satisfaction rate in the industry is jewelry?

    22. Re:More likely ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The iPhone, like all Apple products, is really just a piece of high-tech, fashionable jewelry. Jewelry generally tends to appeal to women more than men.

      Not to mention the prominent "i" in the name.

    23. Re:More likely ... by mgabrys · · Score: 0

      Newsflash! PCworld magazine attempts to create news out of thin air with troll-inducing hitcount producing "articles".

      Hey PCworld - GO FUCK YOURSELF. Hey Slashdot - GO FUCK YOURSELF.

  10. The classic joke by Wonko+the+Sane · · Score: 5, Funny

    Q: What's the hardest part about using an iPhone?
    A: Coming out to your parents

    1. Re:The classic joke by jhoegl · · Score: 1

      I sent this to a few guys at work that have the iPhone.

    2. Re:The classic joke by mswhippingboy · · Score: 1

      Haha - I like that.

      Reminds me of a video I saw a while back on Java vs .Net
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gM2P8wcBPWc

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    3. Re:The classic joke by sahonen · · Score: 5, Funny

      I prefer this one:

      Q: How do you know if someone has an iPhone?
      A: They tell you.

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    4. Re:The classic joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You got the joke wrong.

      "Never ask if someone has an iPhone. If they do, they'll tell you. If they don't, why embarrass them?"

    5. Re:The classic joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In case anyone hasn't seen it yet, iPhone users vs Android users vs Blackberry users:

      http://www.csectioncomics.com/2010/11/iphone-vs-android-vs-blackberry.html

      (posting anonymously since the comic isn't mine)

    6. Re:The classic joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Self-image of smartphone users.

    7. Re:The classic joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And on a related note: Q: What's 10" long and completely satisfies cunts? A: An iPad.

    8. Re:The classic joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why are there so many obnoxious posts by those who like the Android platform? Android fans are starting to make "the cult of Apple" folk look good, and that is scary.

    9. Re:The classic joke by repetty · · Score: 1

      Q: How do you know if someone has an iPhone?

      A: They tell you.

      Not true, we just assume everyone have them. (And they almost do.)

    10. Re:The classic joke by Wonko+the+Sane · · Score: 1

      This joke has been around for at least 100 years, referencing different Apple products as appropriate.

      What makes it funny each time is the reaction of Apple users, not necessarily the joke itself.

  11. More masculine hardware design? by w0mprat · · Score: 1

    I've never found Apple products terribly visually appealing, a little too "pretty" in a feminine way. I prefer harder edge more badass looking gadgets, and I guess that's just what TFA is on about - alot of the Android handsets are coming from manufacturers who produce more masculine designs generally.

    Because well, you know, I like to look badass...

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    1. Re:More masculine hardware design? by mcvos · · Score: 1

      I've never found Apple products terribly visually appealing, a little too "pretty" in a feminine way. I prefer harder edge more badass looking gadgets,

      You might be on to something. I prefer my blocky steel Milestone over the slippery sleek iPhone I used to have.

    2. Re:More masculine hardware design? by Toffe · · Score: 1

      Would you be a Lynx user by any chance? Because the adds make you feel so masculine? iPhone users would be Armani users, i.e. quite gay from your point of view? To sum it up: insecure and nasty = Droid, stylish and gay = iPhone. Real men use Moto Razr after all, and that "Hello Moto" ringtone is just SO COOL.

  12. Seems more like ladies just dislike Android by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gents like iOS and Android similarly...it's just ladies don't like Android...

  13. Mac suit women and gays by La+Gris · · Score: 0, Troll

    My guess is, that it is for the same reasons Macs suit women, gays, and/or artists.

    Sorry if it is a cliché, statistically bound, by the way.

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    1. Re:Mac suit women and gays by joh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      My guess is, that it is for the same reasons Macs suit women, gays, and/or artists.

      Sorry if it is a cliché, statistically bound, by the way.

      And those man who are not that insecure that they need to announce their manhood by their choice of "masculine" gadgets...

    2. Re:Mac suit women and gays by zakeria · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Well after 24 years of using PC's I went out and bought the i7 iMac 27'' and regret not doing it sooner.. I run Windows7 Ubuntu and Mac OSX all at the same time on the same machine without any troubles what so ever a full steam using parallels..

      Why have I busted my balls duffing around with shit when It just works outa the box over in the gay camp lol

    3. Re:Mac suit women and gays by jhoegl · · Score: 0

      My guess is, that it is for the same reasons Macs suit women, gays, and/or artists.

      Sorry if it is a cliché, statistically bound, by the way.

      And those man who are not that insecure that they need to announce their manhood by their choice of "masculine" gadgets...

      (Warning for Mac using Grammar elites: Run on sentence) If by "not that insecure" you mean self aggrandizing, wannabe social elitists whom have an air of smugness about them, that are too good to learn what a computer can do for them, but instead use it to perform minimal tasks while paying a premium for such simplicity.. .then yes... I agree with your statement.

    4. Re:Mac suit women and gays by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So...what is that reason?

    5. Re:Mac suit women and gays by mswhippingboy · · Score: 2

      I installed Ubuntu and OS/X on my existing Windows7 PC without any troubles whatsoever, and saved myself about $1,500.00 in the process :)

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    6. Re:Mac suit women and gays by zakeria · · Score: 1

      $1,500.00 thats almost half the price of em in the UK FACK!!!

    7. Re:Mac suit women and gays by icebraining · · Score: 0

      You are aware that a current iMac is nothing more than an overpriced PC, right? They use the exact same components, mount it on a different box and charge 40% more.

    8. Re:Mac suit women and gays by fishexe · · Score: 1

      (Warning for Mac using Grammar elites: Run on sentence)

      Since when is it "elite" to insist on proper use of the language? Well, I'm anti-Mac and agree with your sentiment, so your warning doesn't apply and I can pick apart your grammar: 1st, that's not actually a run-on sentence. Your dependent clauses are properly subordinated with prepositions, although your use of "but" is questionable. 2nd, your use of "whom" is both incorrect and highly pretentious. If you're going to go on about "elites" with "an air of smugness about them" you shouldn't try to assume the same air of smugness by using archaic words like "whom", particularly where such words grammatically don't belong.

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    9. Re:Mac suit women and gays by mlts · · Score: 1

      For some, the difference in price is worth it, especially if one isn't tech-savvy and wants customer service that can speak their native language and be able to interact with someone without being on hold for 3-4 hours. If someone depends on their computer for their income, the difference may be worth it.

      If someone is quite tech savvy and can build a PC with ease, then the added Apple cost for solid service may not be something they would use.

      This is assuming just the Mac hardware and generic PC hardware being covered.

    10. Re:Mac suit women and gays by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Why have I busted my balls duffing around with shit when It just outta the closet over in the gay camp lol."

      I think that's what you meant. =P

    11. Re:Mac suit women and gays by stdarg · · Score: 1

      The question is which group is larger and more meaningful:

      1. The guys who reject items designed for women because the design necessarily sacrifices things that appeal to men, making other items more attractive to men.

      2. The guys who just happen to like a product designed for women over all the available near-equivalent products designed for men.

      I mean you are technically correct with your addition, but let's be honest.. most likely you pointed out that minor group to imply that the OP himself is insecure about his masculinity. I don't get why people do that. It's very immature.

    12. Re:Mac suit women and gays by jedidiah · · Score: 0

      You don't have to be "tech saavy" to buy a relatively cheap Mini and attach the cheaper monitor of your choice to it.

      You have to be pretty braindead to think that buying a machine with the monitor embedded into it is a good idea.

      Even buying an overpriced Mac Pro is less stupid.

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    13. Re:Mac suit women and gays by jhoegl · · Score: 1

      I see your opinion and raise you a nose in the air.

    14. Re:Mac suit women and gays by fishexe · · Score: 1

      Well played, sir.

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    15. Re:Mac suit women and gays by zakeria · · Score: 1

      lol that's brilliant good for you

    16. Re:Mac suit women and gays by zakeria · · Score: 1

      The thing is I am "tech saavy" I just want an easy life so I can get my work done without some stupid crap getting in the way.

    17. Re:Mac suit women and gays by zakeria · · Score: 1

      Yes; but it's soooo shinny

    18. Re:Mac suit women and gays by joh · · Score: 1

      I mean you are technically correct with your addition, but let's be honest.. most likely you pointed out that minor group to imply that the OP himself is insecure about his masculinity. I don't get why people do that. It's very immature.

      I think you're reading too much into my comment.

      IMHO you *can* design a product to appeal on a higher level than that. Some smart, elegant simplicity can be appeal to both men and women. It's actually easier to design something to look either bad-ass (large, black and red) or cute (rounded, pink, flowers), but basically you're appealing then to only half of your potential customers.

      And yes, many men are insecure. This is not a minor group. It's easy to exploit that and many products do it.

      I surely didn't mean to single out the OP, especially since it was *him* to say that "Macs suit women, gays, and/or artists"...

    19. Re:Mac suit women and gays by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do ya know since you've never used a Mac?

      Your a child that plays with things but never creates anything.

  14. It just works. by AJNeufeld · · Score: 2, Insightful

    My wife isn't interested in playing with configuration settings, tweaking this, adjusting that and so on. A simpler UI, that does what she wants it to do, and no more, is what she's looking for.

    1. Re:It just works. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      And exactly what type of "configuration settings, tweaking this, adjusting that and so on" would have to be done to get an Android or WP7 or a Palm Pre working?

      My wife uses the Epic 4g and she bought it on her own, only once entered her Gmail account details and from there on she hasn't needed to do any tweaking at all apart from arranging the App shortcuts the way she likes and that was as easy as it can get. When it gets the 2.2.1 update - it will be a single click for her. If the phone needs replacement - all she needs to do is again reenter her GMail password and all apps, contacts etc. will be right there automagically. It doesn't get any easier than that.

      Heck I have seen so many iPhone users - male and females - that did not know that iPhone OS software needs updated because they don't deal with iTunes. The Android ones on the other hand tend to be up2date as the update process is one click on the notification followed by hitting OK.

    2. Re:It just works. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It just works... in the way that Steve Jobs tells you to, no other choices allowed.

    3. Re:It just works. by Durandal64 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm a software engineer, and even I'm not interested in any of that crap. I have a life outside of tweaking shit on my phone.

    4. Re:It just works. by Barny · · Score: 1

      Oh, so she got a Nokia symbian based phone then?

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    5. Re:It just works. by ducomputergeek · · Score: 2

      I'm the same way. I don't even want to tweak the machines I use on a daily basis hence why I buy Apple products. Although I had to laugh the first time I heard one of my engineering friends talk about "Jail breaking" his android phone to do something he wanted.

      I wonder if the iPhone was available for Verizon or Sprint, how many of my friends currently with Android phones would have iPhones instead.

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    6. Re:It just works. by mlts · · Score: 4, Informative

      What is ironic is that Android is more standalone and can fend for itself. The only times I need to connect an Android device to a PC for stuff other than charging is when I am copying nandroid and Titanium Backup backup files from the SD card to the PC for safekeeping, or loading MP3/AAC files onto the device for music. Android phones take care of app updates, OS updates, essentially everything by themselves. To boot, the PC the Android device connects to can be *any* OS that can handle USB drives. I can hook the phone to a USB port on an IBM Power Systems 795, then use AIX to mount and copy the files from it.

      iOS devices not just have to have a desktop box to sync to, it has to be either OS X or Windows, and an OS that is in constant connection to the Internet, especially come OS updates for SHSH validation. iOS devices are also designed to be attached and synced often to iTunes.

      So, in this respect, Android is a lot better.

    7. Re:It just works. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it dosn't do what you want it to do it does what jobs wants it to do. You just have to hope you want most of the same things.

    8. Re:It just works. by randallman · · Score: 1

      Most everyone doesn't want a phone where they "have" to tweak it to get it to do what it is supposed to do. No being "interested" is different though. A geek (Slashdot target audience - NEWS FOR NERDS) will certainly be interested. I have a life outside of programming/computers, but I'm still addicted to it. I do it even when it does not make sense time or money wise, because I enjoy it. It's like any other hobby or passion. BTW, iOS and Android are too closed for me. I use an N900.

    9. Re:It just works. by RMH101 · · Score: 1

      I copy stuff via E Strong File manager. It can browse local network shares wirelessly. For big files, a USB cable speeds things up but I can't remember the last time I connected my phone with a cable...

    10. Re:It just works. by Inda · · Score: 1

      I hate "me too" posts as much as the next man but the Gmail intergration in the wife's HTC Wildfire is just so easy. I've tried to get her head around the fact that contacts on the sim or phone memory are now pointless. I've tried to tell her she doesn't need to poke away at the tiny keyboard, just use the laptop.

      I installed an FTP/HTTP server with access to the home network SMB share (I choose File Expert - was that the best choice?). She'll eventually understand that bluetooth is so last year. She'll never get her head around accessing the home network from anywhere in the world.

      She wanted an iPhone, and I wouldn't let her buy one. Every time an iPhone advert is shown on the TV, I tell her that her phone can do that too. Not sure she'll ever be happy.

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    11. Re:It just works. by AntEater · · Score: 1

      I'm the same way. I don't even want to tweak the machines I use on a daily basis hence why I buy Apple products.

      That's exactly why I've had Macs for the past 6 years or so. That and a real Unix command line when I want it.

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    12. Re:It just works. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm the same way. I don't even want to tweak the machines I use on a daily basis hence why I buy Apple products. Although I had to laugh the first time I heard one of my engineering friends talk about "Jail breaking" his android phone to do something he wanted.

      I wonder if the iPhone was available for Verizon or Sprint, how many of my friends currently with Android phones would have iPhones instead.

      I call bullshit on this entire comment.

    13. Re:It just works. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I actually switched from AT&T to Verizon to get AWAY from the damned iPhone, now it's following me! Seriously, I used to have a Blackberry, but AT&T's service became abysmal after the iPhone showed up. When it came time to get a new phone, I knew that AT&T wasn't the place for me, because they put all their eggs in that basket, to the detriment of any other offerings. I don't like Apple. I don't like their cult-like following, I don't like their overly pretentious commercials and just yesterday I had the displeasure of going into an Apple store for the first time to buy a Xmas presentand the smug douchebaggery of the employees is exactly what I envisioned it would be. No thank you.

      I don't care if Apple's stuff supposedly "Just Works"...I can get my own stuff to work just fine without all the hype or pretense, oh or the insane cost.

    14. Re:It just works. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you want a real unix command line, use Linux. Unless by real unix you meant unix circa 1982.

    15. Re:It just works. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      duocomputergeek and Durandal64 don't make sense to me. I've got a Nexus One and I've not tweaked it out at all, and I can do pretty much everything I wanted it to do. I only have the default google widget on my homescreen and the rest of the space are icons.

      Regarding JBing:
      There are things both platforms REQUIRE jailbreaking, and they're actually largely the same and largely due to security models for non tech savvy customers. For example, if you wanted a remote desktop (like a VNC server) of your phone, you will need to jailbreak both (all?) devices because the security model of *all* phones default that 3rd party apps really shouldn't have access to the desktop (it's a massive security risk if any app can read what's on the screen at any time).

      So that engineering friend that wanted to do something on Android that required rooting? He'd DEFINITELY have to jailbreak on your favourite platform to do the same thing. Android's simply a lot less restrictive.

      Regarding tweaking:
      Just because Android offers the capability of tweaking or customizing doesn't mean you have to use it. You can use any Android device just like you would a dumb or non-customizable phone, like yours *but it's there if you wanted to*. Just go download your games and your regular apps just like you are normally and ignore the entire section of live wallpapers, desktop replacements, and widgets associated with apps. Your device will work "exactly" like your phone.

      I daresay Android is actually easier to use because it never needs to be plugged into a computer, so you never need to know how to install software on your desktop. You can do everything on-device: buy your music, downloaded files, updates. Assuming the permissions haven't changed (they rarely do), you don't even need to be prompted for updates in apps if you choose to (tick the "Automatically update" checkbox).
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      I daresay both of you use those products because you've never actually used anything else, and spread the lies and half-truths just like the company they support. Either that, or you're ignorant. The latter is better, but is still no excuse to go spreading false information about a platform other people happen to choose to like.

      Instead of asking a question that users of this site can answer (how many of your friend's that are Android users would switch), perhaps you should go ask your friends exactly how many want a locked down phone. The answer might surprise you. Nobody here really cares about the answer, but it avoids the arrogance you users seem to have. I mean, for f*ck sake (and yes, I know this is a sample size of 1), a friend of mine who KNOWS I don't like APL said that "I was jealous" she got an i4. She KNOWS I have 0 interest in that particular series of phones.

      As a response, I told her that I got my phone shipped to my front door so I didn't have to wait 5-7 hours at 3-4am in the morning TWICE (they ran out the first time), I have widgets and live wallpaper, video chat on other phones don't require wifi (I don't care for video chat, so why pay for it? I mean my old SE v800 "dumb phone" had it and nobody cared about video chat then either), and a 1-day market app refund policy, and wifi tethering (so she could use her video-chat with other i4 users as long as I was with her ROFL). That shut her up real fast.

  15. Um? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tracey E. Schelmetic has a remarkably sexist viewpoint here.

  16. Girls wear makeup by Coolhand2120 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Girls also wear makeup. Both of these choices seem illogical to me. Meaning they didn't follow strong deductive reasoning to reach their decisions, they went with their feelings. Where strong deductive logic is purely quantitative week emotional induction does not rely on any sort of quantitative analysis, but rather snap judgments. Remorse for ill decisions made then turns into defense of the indefensible ("Why'd you buy that?" - "IT'S JUST BETTER - SHUT UP!"). Of course without exception any quantitative argument about the iPhone vs. Android(any) eventually digresses into which platform is more open because both seem to be equally capable, and of course Android wins every time. The only way you get an iPhone over the Android is if you avoid any sort of logical deduction in the first place: i.e.: you're a girl.

    1. Re:Girls wear makeup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That may well have been the most ironic argument I've ever read.

      [I refer to the dramatic irony of using irrational arguments to show that girls and iPhone users are irrational and that irrational users prefer the iPhone, to forestall all you Internet pedants who got your narrow definition of irony from an episode of Futurama].

  17. Study on homosexual tendencies of iPhones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > In addition, male iPhone users tend to be homosexual.

    Oh, before you mod me flamebait, correlation != causation.

    I'd like to see a study.

    "Excuse me, I see you have an iPhone. Do you tend to be homosexual?"

    1. Re:Study on homosexual tendencies of iPhones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's undeniably true for a sample size of Stephen Fry.

    2. Re:Study on homosexual tendencies of iPhones? by Cederic · · Score: 0

      I'd rather just start the meme. The comedy value is too great to ignore.

  18. PR0N by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Android allows porn apps. I'm just sayin'...

  19. fake stats by fermion · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Years ago cigarette companies conducted a survey of doctors and brands they preferred. They advertised the brand they preferred as doctor recommended. I was not so much that doctors necessarily preferred any of the brands, but if one does a survey and sorts the results, one will have top and a bottom, though it may have no statistical or physical meaning.

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    1. Re:fake stats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well so long as four out of five dentists still recommend sugarless gum*, I'm happy.

      *for their patients who chew gum.

  20. Nexus one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "Gentlemen Prefer Androids"

    Ha, I see someone has been watching Bladerunner lately!

  21. Walled garden argument by Beerdood · · Score: 1

    Men would rather give up some security for freedom, and women tend to prefer the opposite. I won't get an iPhone because I don't like the idea of not having access to certain apps because Jobs doesn't want politically oriented apps, or because women are in bikinis, or because the app might offend some people. The 'Baby Shaker' app was a good example of this - I want the freedom to download whatever I want with this device.

    But my wife loves her iPhone, and she's just fine with having a device that's locked down to some degree if it means not having malicious application

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  22. What about... by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2

    What about males who aren't gentlemen and females who aren't ladies?

    (you insensitive clod)

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    1. Re:What about... by fishexe · · Score: 1

      What about males who aren't gentlemen and females who aren't ladies?

      They prefer each other.

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    2. Re:What about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They root their iphones and install Android on it?

    3. Re:What about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Windows mobile.

  23. I hate gender biased marketing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have a sister and brother in law that have purchased android and iphones respectively. For the same geeky v usability reasons. Just in the opposite directions.

    Also I liked eating Special K as a kid till I figured out all the ads were targeted to women.

  24. Is this the best I'm going to see! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You "girly-man" iPhone toting guys... be a real man and get an Andriod phone ;P

    i haven't seen a post saying "So, I guess the gay guys DO go for Apple!"

    But no. The best I see is "girly-man". WTF! Are you Ahh-nold the Governor of Calee - fonee-ah?!?

    Have the Apple fans boys pussy whipped Slashdot that much?!?! Apparently so!

  25. I said to the salesman... by stimpleton · · Score: 1, Funny

    I bought an android for this reason. They just seem more masculine. iPhones seem a bit...."soft" to me. And it doesnt help that 4 of our giggliest admin girls have them. The Galaxy S is my phone. The Galaxy S is corporateness personified.

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  26. Android's privacy questionable by windcask · · Score: 2

    Would you use a cell phone OS made by an advertising company? I only have a lowly call-and-text phone, but if I were buying a smartphone I'd avoid Android like the plague. I don't care how open their app development is; I want to know they're not mining my text messages and emails....

    1. Re:Android's privacy questionable by iONiUM · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In the "settings" of android, there's an entire section where you can get the privacy information from Google et al. It tells you exactly what it's recording. Maybe you think they're violating that? I find that unlikely, as they would be breaking the law pretty blatantly.

      Not exactly directly related but.. People seem to forget that android isn't "just google's", it's the OHA. So you should, if you're going to worry about them stealing your privacy, worry about more than just google.

    2. Re:Android's privacy questionable by tronbradia · · Score: 2

      Would you use a cell phone OS made by an advertising company? I only have a lowly call-and-text phone, but if I were buying a smartphone I'd avoid Android like the plague. I don't care how open their app development is; I want to know they're not mining my text messages and emails....

      The entire OS source is open, so you're free to flip through and find out exactly what sort of mining might be baked into the device. But the platform is pretty irrelevant in this case. All your transmissions are being forwarded via your carrier. What makes you think your current carrier isn't mining your text messages and emails?

    3. Re:Android's privacy questionable by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 1

      Would you use a cell phone OS made by an advertising company? I only have a lowly call-and-text phone, but if I were buying a smartphone I'd avoid Android like the plague.

      So which smartphone would you buy that doesn't come from an advertising company?

      Apple? No, they're an advertising company.
      Rim? No, they're an advertising company.
      Nokia? No, they're an advertising company.

      Looks like no smartphone for you.

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    4. Re:Android's privacy questionable by tronbradia · · Score: 1

      Hey .. shit for brains ..

      Show me where I can download and compile my own version of htc sense ?? Or the 2.1 package that sprint just pushed ... Or any of the manufacturers specialized versions.

      Come on .. please .. show me , I would love to see it.

      Stock froyo (which is what my phone runs): http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html

      And this is where you get Samsung's froyo mod: http://opensource.samsung.com/ (search for i900 under mobile )

      And this is where you get the source for the HTC phones: http://developer.htc.com/

      I guess you love to see that?

      Unless you can do that , your comment about the OS being open source so you can check it , is just stupid.

      Even if you were right about manufacturers releasing the source, my point about stock android being open would still completely valid. Parent said it was google that made them so nervous. Sense, motoblur, and other android mods were written by hardware companies. And if your hardware manufacturer wants to snoop on you, they don't have to modify the OS. Which was, of course, my actual point.

      Shit for brains.

    5. Re:Android's privacy questionable by windcask · · Score: 1

      Looks like no smartphone for you.

      Fine. By. Me.

    6. Re:Android's privacy questionable by windcask · · Score: 1

      Maybe you think they're violating that? I find that unlikely, as they would be breaking the law pretty blatantly.

      That's what lawyers are for. They'll find ways to get around whatever legal restrictions are in place. I know that Google isn't the only one capable of doing devious things with my data, they just have a very poor track record when it comes to their customers' privacy.

    7. Re:Android's privacy questionable by windcask · · Score: 1

      What makes you think your current carrier isn't mining your text messages and emails?

      There is no way to know. I simply make a habit of avoiding companies with disreputable business practices, such as Google.

    8. Re:Android's privacy questionable by hedwards · · Score: 1

      That's not entirely true, it depends on the handset. Some of the phones like the Motorola Backflip are incredibly locked down. And others like the Google Nexus One by HTC are completely open. Just about the easiest phone you'll ever unlock, all you have to do is boot into the loader and unlock it. There's even instruction as to how to do it. All Google asks is that you agree that they're no longer responsible for what goes wrong with the phone.

    9. Re:Android's privacy questionable by tronbradia · · Score: 1

      Although what you have said is true, it's a little bit off topic because parent was worried about Google specifically. My point was, the only parts that aren't open source are designed by your manufacturer or your carrier, either of whom is in an excellent position to snoop on you no matter what OS you use.

    10. Re:Android's privacy questionable by mlts · · Score: 1

      Apple is in the advertising business. iAd is a centerpiece of the 4.x iOS system, and Apple slurps up a lot of info to hand to advertisers.

      Android is not just all Google's creation. Google did change the architecture some by having each app run as a different user, but in a twisted way, Android can be considered another Linux distribution, and Linux has been handling the slings and arrows of security issues on the Internet since '91.

      Want to block advertisers on Android? Grab Droidwall off the Android Marketplace and go to town. If you have a hosts file to block ad domains, just add it to /system/etc/hosts and let the OS do the rest.

      When it comes to trust, I trust Android more than iOS for the simple reason that virtually all of Android is open source.

    11. Re:Android's privacy questionable by windcask · · Score: 1

      Show me a phone that will let me run make install on the Android OS code and I might be impressed with its open-source capabilities. But as day after day go by I hear about more and more phones with ever-increasing lockout features that prevent almost everyone from getting root access to their phones. Why do they devote so much time and effort to this? My money says they have something to hide.

      Alow me to coin a new term: Open-sourciness.

    12. Re:Android's privacy questionable by Vanderhoth · · Score: 1

      Just to be clear, you don't think Apple is monitoring your data or is a marketing company?

      I have an HTC phone and I've switched off all the phone location auto connection stuff. I am also quite diligent in checking my usages to make sure my phone isn't transmitting or receiving stuff I didn't authorize. I feel pretty safe.

    13. Re:Android's privacy questionable by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 1

      So. What smartphone would you recommend to someone who does want both a smartphone & to avoid an advertising company?

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    14. Re:Android's privacy questionable by slim · · Score: 1

      Show me a phone that will let me run make install on the Android OS code and I might be impressed with its open-source capabilities.

      http://www.cyanogenmod.com/about -- pretty much equivalent.

      The Nexus 1 didn't even need any hacking to root it, as I understand it.

    15. Re:Android's privacy questionable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is nothing to hide. Phones from Google have root available or on the N1, type in "fastboot-windows oem unlock" and the phone tells you that you can't just walk into Mordor and gives you the last chance to back out or face your warranty going poof.

      Why are Android phones locked? Not really secrets per se, but control and monetization. If a phone isn't updatable, consumers will throw it away and buy a new one when the cool apps stop being written for that OS level. A locked phone means carriers can add more revenue streams for stuff that is available normally.

      Android by itself is completely open source. The best implementation of Android that keeps source available is by HTC, as they offer images on their website. Other phone makers are not as nice. IIRC, a spokesperson for Motorola told developers to go elsewhere.

    16. Re:Android's privacy questionable by windcask · · Score: 1

      You can keep your privacy. Me, I can't wait for Google to index my brain.

      It's not rape if the person on the receiving end consents to it. Enjoy your symptom.

    17. Re:Android's privacy questionable by Deliveranc3 · · Score: 1

      Sir, you're being foolish. The advertising mining is so reviled because it creates a backlog of data that could later be used for purposes of control. Why would you even look at the phone manufacturers who in every news story are forced to include scary big government type restrictions by the phone companies.

      It's obvious that the FBI/CIA/Local law enforcement have access to your personal information through the phone companies (wire tap).

      If you're terrified that advertising might be relevant then you are way way out there, if you're afraid of control look to your phone company and get some encrypted VOIP while companies are still allowed to offer it.

      The phone companies benefit from government involvement, the controls government put in cost money raising the base price and are figured into profit margin generation. Further these controls provide a barrier to entry for small phone companies.

      The above SHOULD be obvious to you... what to do about it is of course your concern.

    18. Re:Android's privacy questionable by windcask · · Score: 1

      I would recommend not using a smartphone. Some people forget that's an option. To certain people it'd be equivalent to a death sentence; after all, your head might explode if you don't check your Facebook wall for more than five minutes...

    19. Re:Android's privacy questionable by windcask · · Score: 1

      The Nexus 1 didn't even need any hacking to root it, as I understand it.

      I'd go for that if I could, but I'm on Verizon and have no intentions of switching. The most important thing to me is reception for calls; I'd trade all the gadgetry in the world for a phone that would simply work when I need it to.

    20. Re:Android's privacy questionable by windcask · · Score: 1

      Why would you even look at the phone manufacturers

      I'm not. I'm looking at Google. Google doesn't make the phones; they are just the biggest contributor to the OS software that's running on them.

      I'm NOT succumbing to privacy fatalism like everyone else in the world. If I have to go back to a fucking landline, then so be it.

    21. Re:Android's privacy questionable by Lundse · · Score: 1

      (Almost) avoided the bait, got the bear! Nice one ;-)

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    22. Re:Android's privacy questionable by tycoex · · Score: 1

      I take it your Amish?

    23. Re:Android's privacy questionable by windcask · · Score: 1

      My Amish?

    24. Re:Android's privacy questionable by tycoex · · Score: 1

      Aww damn... I always get on to people about that too...

      You're Amish*

  27. Re:What really happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How you have a score above -1 is beyond me. Quitcher trolling 7digiter

  28. Re:What really happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    That makes no sense; for basic stuff android is just as easy as an iPhone to "set up". No PC or stupid iTunes required either. It's funny how we have three android phones in the house (my original Droid, and my wife and daughter both have an HTC Aria - a nice small phone that goes in the pocket much better than an iPhone) and none of us had any trouble "setting it up".

  29. Re:What really happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Getting anything to work? Having used both an iPhone and Droid (that is, a Motorola Droid, the original) I can't say there is much difference as far as useability. Android is more configurable but I wouldn't say it's harder if you just want to do the same stuff as the iPhone.

    Outside of that, iPhone seems a lot smoother (higher performance) than any Android device. Even with my Droid overclocked to 1.2 Ghz it's still not as smooth as a puny 600 Mhz iPhone. That's the difference between the native code on the iPhone and the piece of shit Java-esque crap that Android uses. Android is definitely better for the power users (having a regular shell is awesome) but it leaves a lot to be desired in the performance department. I think Android should just go all native and dump the virtual machine crap.

  30. Go figure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This proves women are more evil than men.

  31. Re:What really happens by jhoegl · · Score: 1

    You fail to mention age and perceived tech savvy of the couple.

  32. Is opensource an available gender? by oWj9*7!7dsggh7 · · Score: 1

    women are more likely to buy an iPhone for their next smartphone purchase, while men prefer Android devices

    Gee, where does that leave me?

    I've been disappointed with both the Apple and Droid phones. I can't honestly say I am looking forward to either for my next smartphone purchase — I've really been thinking about going back to an old fashioned just-a-phone, and using a NanoNote or whatever of its kind might become available.

    What I really want is a programmable opensource palmtop that also has phone functionality. A jailbroken phone is a poor substitute for an opensource palmtop. I've never felt right since the HP 100lx went out of production.

    Maybe next year.

    1. Re:Is opensource an available gender? by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      I never thought I'd say this, but what you want is an N900.

    2. Re:Is opensource an available gender? by maxume · · Score: 1

      It's expensive, but the Nokia N900 seems to fit your bill.

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    3. Re:Is opensource an available gender? by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

      Notwithstanding the N900's Meego-based successor, I wouldn't rule out your 1st idea - a plain phone. Why? I'd see where the iPad sector leads us. Do people need a tablet AND a smartphone?

      I'm hoping convertible touchscreen netbooks become the norm - Dell's Inspiron duo looks promising. Choice of OS and multi-purpose. All you need then is the cheapest phone that does data tethering.

    4. Re:Is opensource an available gender? by oWj9*7!7dsggh7 · · Score: 1

      Yes, that would be just fine.

    5. Re:Is opensource an available gender? by oWj9*7!7dsggh7 · · Score: 1

      Got to wait until I feel Ubuntu/tablet is working relatively well.

  33. Can't it just be... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That men are smarter than women?

    ...

    *ducks*

  34. Re:What really happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Java crap thing is more or less a remnant of Java 1.x perception. 2.2 onwards Android is JIT enabled - where performance counts it is already executing native code directly on the CPU. The only downside is Android doesn't have GPU accelerated GUI - that should make it much more smoother. With faster dual core CPUs coming out soon - Java would be last of any problems Android has.

  35. it will even out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I've read the bible, right near the front it says that Eve ate from the apple.

  36. Carriers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder how much of the decision making comes from what carrier a potential phone buyer is? It would be interesting to see the statistics of the male/female ratio of ATT subscribers, and if changing carriers was a greater deciding factor for males vs females....

    I had thought about getting an iPhone 4, before the antenna problems and ATT killing the unlimited data plan... and part of that was due to not really liking the Droid phones ATT had, and wanting to stick with ATT for the 17% military discount that I would lose if I switch providers (way back when the guy at the Cingular booth enrolled me in the discount program even though I'm a civilian)

  37. Also the huge phones by gig · · Score: 1

    The Android phones are huge, they barely fit in a typical male hand. To most women, they seem that much larger.

    1. Re:Also the huge phones by gmhowell · · Score: 2

      I thought women liked them bigger?

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    2. Re:Also the huge phones by codegen · · Score: 1

      But which has the strongest vibrator?

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    3. Re:Also the huge phones by hedwards · · Score: 1

      Honestly, I'm willing to bet that somewhere there's a site devoted to women holding their iPhone in an unconventional way and waiting for a call to come in.

    4. Re:Also the huge phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      rule 34

    5. Re:Also the huge phones by slim · · Score: 1

      Er, Android phones vary in size, from much smaller than an iPhone (Xperia Mini) to a bit bigger (Desire HD).

      As far as I know, iPhone is one size fits all, and that's about the same size as the original HTC Desire.

    6. Re:Also the huge phones by Lundse · · Score: 1

      ...with a 900-number in a blinking font...

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    7. Re:Also the huge phones by LUH+3418 · · Score: 1

      I thought women liked them bigger?

      Common misconception. Too big can be very cumbersome and frustrating. When you get down to it, it's all about effectiveness and sleekness, you see. I think women spot one they find attractive, try it for a bit, and if their experience is pleasant, they'll stick with it. I think women (and quite a few men) like simplicity, that they want something that can adapt to them, not the other way around, and I think Steve Jobs has that figured out pretty well.

      Despite what you think you might have learned from all those edutainment movies. Observing real-world behavior will teach you alot more about human nature...

    8. Re:Also the huge phones by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      Observing real-world behavior will teach you alot more about human nature...

      This from somebody in a relationship with THX 1138...

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    9. Re:Also the huge phones by LUH+3418 · · Score: 1

      >> Observing real-world behavior will teach you alot more about human nature...

      You have me confused with my younger sister, LUH 3417.

    10. Re:Also the huge phones by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      >> Observing real-world behavior will teach you alot more about human nature...

      You have me confused with my younger sister, LUH 3417.

      It's the haircuts. You all look the same to me.

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  38. If that's their market... by SteveFoerster · · Score: 5, Funny

    Maybe naming it the "iPad" wasn't so dumb after all....

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    1. Re:If that's their market... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 4, Funny
  39. British studys aways have the answer by davielp · · Score: 1

    1- Is there any super porn app for Android that I don't know? 2- An important British study reveals that while men like to shower with face turned to shower, most of the women prefer to turn the back (I'm serious, can't remember where I saw it). 3- Women aim for the more expensive aways. 4- Women don't care about tech, they care about "glamour", Apple = tech glamour. 5- You might be asking: "So what about the gays?" I answer that for you: They care more about hardware, that hardware function you know... the camera I mean. 6- After this study, no matter what, more and more man will buy android for a matter of macho pride. 7- Another important study conduct for years concluded that men do have more sense of humor than women.

  40. I like android by www.1dekorasyon.com · · Score: 1

    I like android because of its ease of use but ios look also good. What is the main difference between them really I dont know. I just know that android is open source.

  41. fashion accessory by aaamr · · Score: 1

    That's because with an android, you don't feel compelled to wave it about like a fashion accessory.

  42. Nah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    It is because Android is the better product, which is clear to any reasonable person. iPhone just looks cute.

    Men are inherently more reasonable than women, so there you go.

    1. Re:Nah by NanoGeek · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ah, sexism and fanboyism all in one. Nice.

    2. Re:Nah by mr_bubb · · Score: 0

      Or, it's because men are a bunch of smelly tools. Suck it.

    3. Re:Nah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, faggotry.
      The wonderfull condition of being a woman stuck inside of a man's body. It's no wonder you can't see the sense in the parent's common sense.

      You should do the world a favour and get a sex change.

  43. Or....maybe it's because.... by magnusrex1280 · · Score: 1

    On the whole, guys like to get down and dirty with innards, more so than a lot of women who just want the technology to work and be easy to use. Now obviously this is a generalization, but still true in a GENERAL way. The main problem with this article is this - the idea of actual differences between Android and iOS, and the differences between men and women, determining which demographic prefers which mobile platform, NEVER ENTERS INTO THE WRITER'S MIND. She seems to think it's all marketing, when many of us as Slashdotters know that actual features and real-world facts, are often what determine what technology choice we make. It's truly telling, in that she must make her choices based only on the marketing she's fed, and not the actual features or technology, because she assumes the same is true for everyone else.

  44. Mandroid by ltabb · · Score: 1

    I'd rather have my iGirlyPhone then a Mandroid.

  45. Women vs men by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Aesthetics vs functionality. it's cut and dry.

  46. Well, the women may have a point... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Woman reach their decisions by allowing both halves of their brains to communicate while men have problems trying to get both heads to communicate.

  47. I prefer Symbian by kurt555gs · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I loved Symbian on my N95, I hated it on the N97, I am now back in love with Symbian^3 on the N8. I am willing to say this is the best cell phone I have ever had bar none. I have an N900, but don't consider it a cell phone. The N900 is a linux tablet with a phone app.

    Back to cell phones. The US press seems to forget Symbian exists, is rock solid stable, ans is very clean and fast. Symbian was fast on a 60 mhz processor, and literally screams on the N8. For once I would like to see a review written by some one that is used to Symbian instead of an iPhone user complaining how it is different than his beloved Apple product, or some such similar from and Android Fanboi.

    Nokia has made some very bad management decisions in the last few years, but their engineer elves have been busy. The N8 really is the best cell phone, both hardware and software that Nokia has ever produced and deserves a close look.

    I am glad I didn't listen to "Symbian is dead" and bought an N8.

    I love it.
     

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    1. Re:I prefer Symbian by Barny · · Score: 2

      +1

      I wanted a phone that could take calls and text, I wanted to be able to use it for music and a little web browsing and required 802.11. Everyone said "get an Iphone". I then said I didn't want to pay more than $300 outright for the thing and they all laughed and told me no phone exists that can do all that for that price.

      My little, slightly older model, Nokia Extreme music 5800 is built for this purpose, throw in a copy of SymSMB and it can now talk windows networking over the wireless lan.

      I have looked at Iphones and different droids, but the cost is my biggest turn off factor with them, I just can't justify spending that much on something that will be thrown in the bin in 2-3 years anyway.

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    2. Re:I prefer Symbian by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Almost no Symbian phones are available in the US at the carriers' stores. That's why the press ignores them.

    3. Re:I prefer Symbian by Metrathon · · Score: 1

      Is that similar to Sybian?

    4. Re:I prefer Symbian by sootman · · Score: 1

      So if "gentlemen prefer Androids and ladies prefer iOS" then what does that make you? ;-)

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    5. Re:I prefer Symbian by Col.+Bloodnok · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I like symbian devices, particularly Nokias. They make some of the nicest handsets around. I love my 5800, and S60 v5. I liked my previous S60s phones and my Psion EPOC devices before those.

      That said, I hate the development environment, it is absolutely and consistently dreadful. It's a wonder anyone develops for this platform. The Wiki is full of out-of-date examples, and contradictory advice. The compilers are terrible - two completely different free compilers used for the emulator and phone (with different bugs), or a third commercial one which can actually generate decent ARM code - all WIN32 only, of course.

      The Symbian C++ API is just awful. OpenC made it bearable, python makes it usable. Nokia's focus is, however (like an ADHD sufferer) shifting once again - this time to Qt. They are currently shipping a 5-600MB Qt SDK for Linux, which can *only* produce code for an emulator!

    6. Re:I prefer Symbian by anaesthetica · · Score: 0

      I am now back in love with Symbian^3

      You love Symbian because you're from the Third World.

    7. Re:I prefer Symbian by kurt555gs · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I am from Joliet, Illinois. So yes, I am in the "Third World".

      Some times herd mentality just makes people run to Android or iOS like sheep to the slaughter.

      Symbian^3 on the N8 is totally awesome, and incredibly fast, and totally stable. It does a great job of managing internet connections. has wonderful power management, and, since Comcast is down right now, allows me to tether via HSPA modem from my MacbookPro to Slashdot to write this.

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    8. Re:I prefer Symbian by Undead+Waffle · · Score: 1

      Symbian was fast on a 60 mhz processor, and literally screams on the N8.

      I don't want my phone to scream at me :(

    9. Re:I prefer Symbian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder why the map creator has bothered to include the country borders. It seems that the creator of that graph has had only time to check the stats at the continent level and then color all their countries accordingly. It's evident by just looking at how Russia is divided in half, with the western part joined to Europe's blue color, and rest of Russia colored as Asia.
      (And it's quite funny that our Nokia kingdom here in Finland is colored as belonging to "iOS").

      Also worth taking a note of is the Symbian-dominance in BRIC-countries (directly from StatCounter statistics):
      Russia: 48% (runner-up SonyEricsson with 14%)
      India: 72% (Samsung: 10%)
      Brazil: 52% (SonyEricsson: 13%)
      China: 66% (iOS: 7%)

      That's quite a lot of people to market S^3 and MeeGo to.

    10. Re:I prefer Symbian by vlm · · Score: 0

      I then said I didn't want to pay more than $300 outright for the thing and they all laughed and told me no phone exists that can do all that for that price.

      I think you need to review accounting classes. $300 is pocket change compared to the cost of ownership. At $100+ per month for service with a mandatory two year contract, your estimate is about one tenth the actual cost of ownership. If you can't afford the $300 upfront you'll never survive years of bleeding out $100+ per month.

      Kind of like "land poor" folks whom inherit a house or whatever but simply cannot afford maintenance on their "free" property. I have one neighbor like that with a tar paper roof for the past three years, and another whom is somehow gettin' by, but would have to declare bankruptcy if he so much as had to buy a gallon of paint.

      As an alternative, I offer you pay as you go virginmobile pay as you go and a ipod touch? Upfront phone is $20 and I use somewhat under $10/month at about a quarter (or was it dime?) per minute. So, two years of phone service will set me back somewhat less than $260. My brand new ipod touch cost me about $186 and has no monthly cost other than maybe a penny of electricity over its lifetime to charge it. Of course the ipod battery will only last one year at most, how you account for device or battery replacement is a question.

      So you don't want to spend $300. OK. But if you are willing to carry two devices you'll be out $440 or about $19 per month. Only about $140 more than you were considering spending. You can "upgrade" to carrying only one device for the low, low cost of merely $2560 more dollars, or a cool $106 extra per month. Very roughly a cheap new car lease or maybe a cheap used car purchased outright. Or another way to look at it is it'll cost you a little more than $3 per day to carry just one device.

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    11. Re:I prefer Symbian by Deliveranc3 · · Score: 1

      I agree with the buy old decision. "Droid" is gearing up for a battle in the 3D gaming space, and I'll be the first to buy once we hit a level that shines. In the meantime form factor and usability are key. I have a G1, the biggest keyboard on the market and a nice touch screen. You can pick one up on ebay for about $160 and unlock it for $10.

    12. Re:I prefer Symbian by Lord+Kestrel · · Score: 1

      You may want to reconsider Android when you're looking at a new phone in the future. I was in a very similar situation to you last year; I was looking for a new phone, and was looking very closely at Symbian. I had an older Nokia for a few years that I really liked, and so Symbian was my obvious first choice when looking for a new phone. However, the number of choices for Android, and the linux kernel are what finally made me chose Android. I couldn't find a Nokia phone with the hardware and form factor that I wanted, but was able to find an Android phone that was almost perfect.

      It does everything you've listed as well, even sharing the Internet connection via wifi if you so desire. I use the usb tether when I'm on the train, so as to keep my phone nicely charged while playing Eve. However, it's as simple as touching a single button to toggle on/off the wifi hotspot as well, so if I like the people I'm sitting with I usually offer to share the Internet connection with them so they can use their laptops online too. I don't even have to unplug it from the laptop to do so, so I'm still getting my usb tether+charge too.

      However, a huge warning. If you do consider Android in the future, make sure you get a phone that doesn't have a vendor's crapware layered on top of it. Some of them (AT&T is the worst in the US) will cripple your phone to the point that you pretty much have to wipe it and reinstall with a clean custom OS. That is usually pretty simple, but it can be a hassle for non-technical users. The best solution is to just purchase an Android phone that isn't crippled from the start, but it's an easy trap to fall into if you're not aware of it before buying.

  48. so....... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is this the perfect opportunity to say that iphones are gay?

  49. The actual numbers... by zapwow · · Score: 1
    According to the actual study, the numbers are not entirely so definitive:

    women: 30.9% iOS, 22.8% Android

    men: 28.6% iOS, 32.6% Android

    Clearly a 2% preference for iOS means it represents the entire female gender! /s

    Source: http://blog.nielsen.com/nielsenwire/online_mobile/us-smartphone-battle-heats-up/

  50. Don't iPhone users get more sex? by Culture20 · · Score: 1

    http://idle.slashdot.org/story/10/08/11/1735253/Stats-Show-iPhone-Owners-Get-More-Sex "iPhone users have more sexual partners than BlackBerry or Android owners." And females use iOS more...

    1. Re:Don't iPhone users get more sex? by Barny · · Score: 3, Funny

      Having more sexual partners doesn't mean more sex.

      It just means if you have an Iphone you have a greater chance of getting STDs :)

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    2. Re:Don't iPhone users get more sex? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It also means that iPhone users are more likely to lie on surveys to boost their personal image...

    3. Re:Don't iPhone users get more sex? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Having more sexual partners doesn't mean more sex.

      It just means if you have an Iphone you have a greater chance of getting STDs :)

      So Android users are immune to STDs? I think I'll stick to using condoms and my iPhone.

    4. Re:Don't iPhone users get more sex? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      So Android users are immune to STDs?

      Well, if by "immune" you mean "don't get many chances of being exposed"...

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    5. Re:Don't iPhone users get more sex? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is only taken from people that use internet dating. who knows what the percenatge is for the people picking up at bars, and asking that cute waitress at the cafe out. I would suspect old nokia dumb phones for would win.

    6. Re:Don't iPhone users get more sex? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You were modded funny but you should have been insightful.
      I do STD preventative work and while the frequency of sex
      does matter the main risk factors is pretty much numerous
      partners and failure to use a condom. This applies to heterosexual
      as well as homosexual people. You're not safe just because you're
      straight and don't have sex all that often.

  51. Macho by drwhite · · Score: 0

    Macho Macho Android!

  52. What about Palm and others? by antdude · · Score: 1

    What about those devices and OS?

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    1. Re:What about Palm and others? by Barny · · Score: 1

      Shh, don't ruin their fragile little world, I said something about Symbian based phones a few threads up and got three death threats and someone threw a brick through my front window... A bricked Iphone that is.

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    2. Re:What about Palm and others? by antdude · · Score: 1

      Ha. Poor you. :)

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    3. Re:What about Palm and others? by Barny · · Score: 1

      And you wouldn't believe the hate about spelling it iphone or Iphone and not iPhone.

      To any and all marketing people, I speak English, and as such adhere to rules of grammar and spelling.

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    4. Re:What about Palm and others? by antdude · · Score: 1

      /me golfclaps for the spelling and grammar. ;)

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    5. Re:What about Palm and others? by Barny · · Score: 1

      /me bows, accepting any and all praise.

      For my next trick, I will pull an insightful comment out a this Anonymous Coward... PRESTO!

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      ...
      /me sighs
    6. Re:What about Palm and others? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love my Palm Pre.

  53. Re:What really happens by HW_Hack · · Score: 1

    mid thirties and just average users -- average meaning they have actual normal lives and would never ever be inclined to look at slashdot.

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  54. definitely fake stats! by Unoriginal_Nickname · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Exactly.

    To repeat what TFA said, 31% of women want an iPhone and 22.8% want an Android. In order to determine if this difference is statistically significant (alpha = 0.05, beta = 0.2) they'd have needed to ask 508 women.

    Did they really? Who knows. There's no confidence interval. Maybe they asked everybody.

    1. Re:definitely fake stats! by makubesu · · Score: 0

      As an engineer, I'm fairly confident that there are fewer than 508 women in the world, otherwise I suspect I would've seen some of them. Definitely fake.

    2. Re:definitely fake stats! by u38cg · · Score: 1

      Presuming that they took a simple random sample, which I doubt.

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    3. Re:definitely fake stats! by Unoriginal_Nickname · · Score: 1

      I have a feeling their sample was stratified: first floor of the Nielsen offices, second floor, third floor.

  55. Re:What really happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Trying to get anything to work? That is absolutely absurd. While the Android OS is not quite as intuitive as the iOS, I'd hardly say a user's inability to navigate menus and choose settings could be classified as "not working." I am also in tech support, and am often helping people with both iPhones and Androids, and I've never seen anything that even remotely resembles what you're describing. In supporting Androids, it's almost always a case of "I don't know where/what ABC setting is/does" or simply "I don't know how to do XYZ." 99% of the time, it's the user, not the device.

  56. Re:What really happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Faster dual core CPU's just use more power and give you a shorter battery life. "Fixing" it by increasing the CPU power is retarded.

    I am using 2.2 with the JIT on my phone, it's still laggy. It's not a perception, it's fact because I use it every day. It's still a version machine even when JIT'd.

  57. makes me wonder... by hitmark · · Score: 1

    about all the men carrying iphones around...

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  58. Re:Women have a higher "Emotional IQ" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Men and women tend to have the same emotional intelligence. High emotional intelligence actually means that you are more likely to take the logical approach. Being insensitive isn't emotionally intelligent, nor is being hypersensitive.

    A human without emotions is like a computer without interrupts.

  59. My wife will have what I'm willing to support by syousef · · Score: 0

    So where is the extra appeal of Android to men coming from?

    Uh, its right there in the name - android as in greek for man.
    If they wanted chicks to buy them they should have called then gynoids.

    My wife will have what I'm willing to support, goddamnit! She can have it in pink and put whatever ringtones and wallpapers she likes on it. Chances are she'll come to me if she wants an app installed. She's not incompentent, just lazy and not interested in tech gear. So if I'm going to do the work for her, I'm not going to learn a whole other system just to support her phone. If she gets an iPhone she knows she's on her own.

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    1. Re:My wife will have what I'm willing to support by BasilBrush · · Score: 1, Informative

      If she gets an iPhone she knows she's on her own.

      If she get's an iPhone she knows she can be on her own. It's not a fucking PC, it doesn't need a fucking support department. Android might need a factory reset and restore every once in a while. iPhone doesn't.

    2. Re:My wife will have what I'm willing to support by Belial6 · · Score: 2

      Yes, it is a PC. Not a Windows PC based on the IBM PC, but it is a Personal Computer. It just usually doesn't have a keyboard. Although, sometimes it does. Expect to see the lower end Macs to get phased out, as the iPad with keyboard attachment gains traction.

    3. Re:My wife will have what I'm willing to support by amRadioHed · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Android might need a factory reset and restore every once in a while. iPhone doesn't.

      Oh really? Why can I name at least two friends who's iPhone's stopped working until they had a clean OS restored? On one of the phones the WI-FI broke, and the other the voice calls entirely stopped working.

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    4. Re:My wife will have what I'm willing to support by lowlymarine · · Score: 1

      It's not a fucking PC

      That's exactly what a smartphone is: a tiny computer that can fit in your pocket. Apple just happens to make one that is shiny and fairly idiot-proof, but is ultimately little more than a toy version and incredibly difficult for the user to repair if it does break down. Android devices are a little more involved and difficult to jump into, but a lot more powerful and resilient in the long run.

      Which sounds an awful lot like the Apple-vs-some-other-big-software-company situation, doesn't it?

    5. Re:My wife will have what I'm willing to support by syousef · · Score: 4, Informative

      If she gets an iPhone she knows she's on her own.

      If she get's an iPhone she knows she can be on her own. It's not a fucking PC, it doesn't need a fucking support department. Android might need a factory reset and restore every once in a while. iPhone doesn't.

      If you like iPhones that's your perorgative, but if you honestly believe the marketing slogan "it just works", you're brain dead.

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    6. Re:My wife will have what I'm willing to support by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      No. The iPad+keyboard, and the MacBook aren't serving the same market, and aren't occupying the same price bracket. One does not replace the other.

      See:
      http://www.macworld.com/article/156153/2010/12/macofthefuturegruber.html

    7. Re:My wife will have what I'm willing to support by Belial6 · · Score: 2

      Apparently you didn't read your own link. While the guy is an obvious fanboy, and spends most of the short article making excuses for Apple not supporting their products for the long haul, even he says that MacOS is likely to disappear. He thinks it is 10 years off, but that doesn't change the fact that he describes the fate of OSX as "all good things must come to an end".

      You are half right that the iPad+keyboard and the MacBook are not serving the same market. The same as a eeePC and an Alienware M17x are not serving the same market. That doesn't mean they are not both PCs.

      The iPad is obviously designed for light computing. The addition of a keyboard is obviously a move to add to the amount of weight the iPad can carry. Whether you want it to be, or whether Apple want's it to be, the iPad is and will be for a growing number of people, a replacement for a PC.

      Of course, Apple would be stupid to not want that. On the Mac, anyone can develop and sell software without giving Apple a cut of the action beyond the purchase of the computer. On the iPad, each and every sale means money in Apples pocket. It is an obvious move that I am really surprised MS didn't do with the Xbox.

      Don't expect the big macs to go away. They will just be sold as workstations. Probably with the kind of price increase one would expect of a 'Workstation'. It is the lower end Macs that will dry up. The Mac will become the Dev kit for iPads. Apple is in the process of shifting from the PC pricing model to the console pricing model.

    8. Re:My wife will have what I'm willing to support by syousef · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      If you like iPhones that's your perorgative, but if you honestly believe the marketing slogan "it just works", you're brain dead.

      I didn't say "it just works", numb nuts.

      Another sophisticated Apple fanboi. Think different

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    9. Re:My wife will have what I'm willing to support by Dee+Ann_1 · · Score: 1

      I'm a 50yro woman and I have an iPhone. My 3rd one as a matter of fact.

      1st one was a 1st gen that my son gave me.
      I promptly jailbroke and unlocked it for use on a non-AT&T system, on my on, without help from anyone.

      My BFF dropped it and broke the screen so I bought another just like it on ebay.
      I also jailbroke and unlocked that one and installed *anything* I wanted on it.

      About 6 months ago I bought a one month old 3gs on ebay and retired the previous iPhone to use as a remote control for my home theater.
      The new one, I jailbroke and unlocked it as well, just like the others before it.

      For now, I am sitting with 3.1.3 on it, I'm doing my homework before I bump it up to 4.2.x. 3.1.3 is working fine for me and I'm in no big rush, I have other things to do that are much more important.

      I love my iPhone. It's easy to use and easy to hack. I can put anything I want on it, do anything I want with it, use it in any way I wish.
      And I totally love my winterboard Tinkerbell theme.. My friends are all jealous.. :-)

      The droid stuff? I don't trust it, I don't trust google. But then again, I don't trust Apple much either.
      Apple makes some great products but their garden wall policies are draconian.

      To the person who controls what his wife uses, how about you let her decide what she wants and then help her learn to take control of it so you don't have to "support her". How about you empower her with knowledge and give her freedom to make her own decisions and purchases?

    10. Re:My wife will have what I'm willing to support by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Of course I read it. 10 years is a very long time in technology. In 10 years time, OSX Macs will have been on the market as longer than Classic MacOS ones were. I suggest that's what's behind that comment.

      But the point is that what happens in 10 years time isn't the reaction to the iPad+keyboard.

      The MacBook didn't disappear just because there was a Macbook Pro. Yet those two products have far more overlap than Macbook and iPad+Keyboard.

      Anyhow, none of this does anything to support your notion that the smartphone is a PC. It's not, it's an embedded device. And it's rather sad that you are prepared to put up with the kind of maintenance issues expected of a PC on your phone, just because of that mistaken classification.

      Developers and OS engineers certainly don't think of smartphones as PCs. e.g.
      - On a PC it's mostly the users responsibility to save data. Users are expected to save their files. If they don't and the power fails they lose data. Timed autosave is a clumsy workaround for this problem. Smartphones are expected to cope with loss of power at any moment, and not to lose data other than perhaps the form currently being entered.
      - Phones have small amounts of memory compared to a PC, and no virtual memory. Which means running out of memory at any time is expected behaviour and must be dealt with gracefully.
      - Phones have far more serious and complex security requirements. Cell data is charged by the gigabyte; SMSs, phone calls and premium phone calls cost. Phones are usually always on, always carried, and know your location. Malicious software on a PC will typically have your PC operating as a part of botnet. On a phone it could create a life crippling debt, or monitor your every move.

      "It's not a PC" are words close to your heart when you're a phone OS engineer.

    11. Re:My wife will have what I'm willing to support by BasilBrush · · Score: 0

      That's exactly what a smartphone is: a tiny computer that can fit in your pocket.

      That's what we call in the trade an embedded device, not a PC.

      Which sounds an awful lot like the Apple-vs-some-other-big-software-company situation, doesn't it?

      Android is certainly reminiscent of Windows in it's need for a wipe and restore from time to time when you've installed a lot of things and it's got sluggish. And for the poor design of third party apps. And for sure the iPhone has a quality and reliability that is a direct inheritance from the Mac.

      But they are still embedded devices, not PCs. And PC like maintenance hassles are unacceptable.

    12. Re:My wife will have what I'm willing to support by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      I suspect that even if this is in jest, this is the reason a large number of /. folk are single.

      Your partners are not your users. At least not unless you role play.

    13. Re:My wife will have what I'm willing to support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No.. you are mistaken. All hardware/software ever sold has issues... EXCEPT APPLE'S!!! Apple _never_ has issues at all. EVER! Such a feeble troll attempt. Bah!

    14. Re:My wife will have what I'm willing to support by tcr · · Score: 3, Informative

      Android is certainly reminiscent of Windows in it's need for a wipe and restore from time to time when you've installed a lot of things and it's got sluggish.

      FUD. My Nexus is loaded up with apps and isn't sluggish at all.

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    15. Re:My wife will have what I'm willing to support by BasilBrush · · Score: 0

      Check out the link, and check out the comments at the bottom. The article discusses the causes, symptoms and frequency as well as the procedure, and virtually all the comments from Android owners are in agreement with the article. Doesn't look at all like FUD to me.

    16. Re:My wife will have what I'm willing to support by lidocaineus · · Score: 1

      OMG!!!!!! I know someone with an Android phone and it stopped working! And then I knew someone with another Android phone and IT STOPPED WORKING TOO!

      Give me a break.

    17. Re:My wife will have what I'm willing to support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, my day started earlywell, 8 a.m. is way early for me to be up and aboutanywayI digressgot up, took our minpin out, and realized what a glorious day it was outside today! Sun was shining, birds were chirping their little hearts out, and all was right with the world. Well, my little world, anyway, I’m sure.

      So, off to the shower I go, got dressed, and headed down US 19 which, if you live in Florida, you can sympathize as well as empathize that you pretty much take your friggin life in your hands anytime you take 19 and, I have no choice since we live right off of it.

      Well, to my surprise, it was quite void of drunks, tailgaters, and the usual morons that congregate on this roadand pretty empty – not many cars at all today. So, already, I was delighted – singing to the music as I do (Oh, I’m sure most of the cars next to me think I’m some kind of nutcase that just escaped from the looney bin and probably talking to myself, coming up with some diabolical plan on how to eradicate them

      Then, picked up my Dad and took him to Walmartthis is a 91-year-old man who loves to saunter through the aisles waiting to pounce on that special deal on chicken legs and scamper away with all his goodies leaving the meat department scrambling to find more

      Okay, now on to the doctor’s for my quarterly checkupI was taken into one of the rooms at my doctor’s office and sat and read Diabetes Magazine – a very informative magazine descriptive of what you should and should not eat in order to keep your blood sugar in a healthy rangemy husband’s sugar was a bit high the last time he had a checkup and, being the worry wart from hell and, oh yeah, a NAG, I dove right in and learned alotthen, chatted with the nurse for a few, told her I felt like shit (even though I had not encountered any dickheads driving down 19)just woke up and felt like shitreally tired from this damn CFSA N Y W A Y.after I finished babbling my head off – I see my doctor and screamed, “Doctor, how are you, you look great!”. He had also lost weight..oh, did I mention that I have been eating better and so has my husband and I have lost 12 lbs. since my last visit in February and 27 lbs. since the same time last year!!! Holy crap!! Hey, where does the fat go, anyway??

      But, when he asked me how I was doingI, of course, had to be honest and said, “I feel like shit Doctor, how are you?” He gave me a sweet smile as he always does and asked me whyAh, the CFS reared its ugly head this morning, that’s why! Oh well, another day in paradise as my husband always sayscould be worse

      Found out my cholesterol went down for a change!! WOOOHOOOOO!!!! It could be, in part, due to the fact that I am now taking better care of myself by taking a vitamin-enriched daily supplement drink called 10-in-1. Just shake and take 1 oz. per day – that’s it!! Will keep you posted on my progress! :-)

      So, off I trot to Lori’s house after a wonderful visit and checkup and let her in on the good news! We then went to the Little Greek Cafe on Little Road in Port Richey – OMG!! You have GOT to go there if you are reading this and live in our area! Portions are huge, presentation of the meal and all its acoutrements are phenomenal, prices are terrific, and service is outstanding!! Oh, WE WILL BE BACK! We were cursing up a storm, yelling our heads off while talking, and nobody gave a damnCOOL!! Of course, there was a toddler screaming his face off at the next table to kindly drown us out!

      I tell yaI have to say that I think the Lyrica played a part in my loopy mood todayah, what the hell, I had a blast! Drugs (medications) are our friends!

      Well, hope everyone had a great day too and now it’s off to bed to get some much needed restsee ya!

    18. Re:My wife will have what I'm willing to support by zeroshade · · Score: 1

      You gave absolutely no evidence that the phone wasn't a PC. In fact you proved it is in fact a PC, albeit a low-powered one. You have a filesystem and files, a certain amount of memory that the OS manages. Security concerns (which are probably just as complex and serious as writing for a PC, enterprise software, a mainframe, etc.),. PC's and Phones both can be always on. People have already come up with botnet type things for smart phones or just trying to get your information. You could get a life crippling debt and be monitored more so on a PC than a phone because most people who do banking online will do it via their laptop or desktop computer, not their phone, unless the Bank has created an App for it.

      Essentially it comes down to the fact that a smartphone is a personal computer. You have an operating system, software that can be installed and uninstalled, you can do just about everything on your smartphone that you can do on a traditional desktop or laptop computer (word processing, games, web browsing, music, movies, editing) and the desktop and laptop computer can make phone calls and text messages just as well as a smartphone if you get the software to do it (or using things like google voice).

      A desktop, a laptop, a netbook, a smartphone, they are all PC's. They all provide for you an interface through which you do computing. An embedded device usually has a singular purpose (microwave, firmware in a set-top box, etc.). A smartphone is for multipurpose computing and it's made for a person to carry around and use themselves anytime, thus a Personal Computer or PC. Just because it's not an IBM-PC clone, doesn't mean it's not a PC.

    19. Re:My wife will have what I'm willing to support by zeroshade · · Score: 2

      That's exactly what a smartphone is: a tiny computer that can fit in your pocket.

      That's what we call in the trade an embedded device, not a PC.

      The definition of an embedded device would disagree with you:

      An embedded system is a computer system designed to perform one or a few dedicated functions often with real-time computing constraints.

      As opposed to:

      By contrast, a general-purpose computer, such as a personal computer (PC), is designed to be flexible and meet a wide range of end-user needs.

      Which one sounds more like a smartphone? Embedded Device

    20. Re:My wife will have what I'm willing to support by Lundse · · Score: 1

      Seriously? If an iPhone is easier to use, it's because it steers away from tough stuff like syncing with exchange, widgets and multitasking. If you use only the features an iPhone has, an android is just as easy.

      Neither phone needs a support department, though. But some people would rather hand over the responsibility of setting up mail, syncing calendars, installing apps, etc. That's fine. But I doubt the iPhone is able to do those things without some sort of user interaction...

      PS: Also, you are obviously just plain wrong that an iPhone would never need a factory reset.
      PPS: When the battery needs changing, can she also be on her own?

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    21. Re:My wife will have what I'm willing to support by amRadioHed · · Score: 1

      Give you a break? When someone makes the ridiculous claim that iPhones never have problems that need restores to fix then all it takes is a single example to prove them wrong. I provided two, QED.

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    22. Re:My wife will have what I'm willing to support by lidocaineus · · Score: 1

      ALL of you are ridiculous. You're arguing against a stupid iPhone claim which logic would say is wrong, even without evidence (and I *OWN* an iPhone) with an even dumber argument that is entirely anecdotally based. It's like dance of the dumbasses here.

    23. Re:My wife will have what I'm willing to support by amRadioHed · · Score: 1

      So I'm a dumbass for pointing out that a ridiculous statement is ridiculous. And here you are pointing it out, so what does that make you? I would say, but I'm not supposed to feed the trolls.

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    24. Re:My wife will have what I'm willing to support by lidocaineus · · Score: 1

      Simple. I'm being meta, you're not. YOU'RE feeding the trolls as you responded to such a ridiculous statement with a ridiculous statement of your own. If that doesn't qualify, I don't know what does. And this is where I step off, as I've now explained it to you twice.

    25. Re:My wife will have what I'm willing to support by hazydave · · Score: 1

      However, the iPad and the generic PC laptop are at the same price-point. Apple doesn't sell a laptop below $1000, but the average laptop sold in the USA in 2009 cost $550 -- and that's excluding Netbooks.

      For people who know what they want, PCs and iPads are not the same thing. For those that don't, beyond "computing device with 'the Internet' and 'apps", the generic PC laptop competes for the same cash as the iPad.

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    26. Re:My wife will have what I'm willing to support by hazydave · · Score: 1

      "MacBook" vs. "MacBook Pro" are two arbitrary marketing designations for exactly the same kind of thing. "iPad" vs. "MacBook" refer to two completely different kinds of personal computing devices. And these days, Apple's been favoring the former kind -- the one they control, the one that generates revenue for them from 3rd party software.

      It would not be a huge shock to find, over time, Apple would rather sell you an iPad than a Mac. That doesn't mean the Mac goes away, but it may be replaced by the iPad at the lower end of things.

      In fact, in a sense it already has been -- Apple doesn't want to sell a Mac that's price-competitive with the lower end of the PC market. They could, but that would kill their huge profit margins. Being a different kind of thing, an iPad (or any ARM-based tablet) costs less to make than a low-end x86 PC... so they get their accustomed high margins in a lower price market.

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    27. Re:My wife will have what I'm willing to support by hazydave · · Score: 1

      Yup. In fact, if you go back to the late 1970s and early 1980s, there were all sorts of "personal computers": Apple ][, Commodore PET, VIC-20 and 64, Atari 400 and 800, various TRS-80 models, etc. The term was coined to distinguish a "personal" computer from former "home" computers -- which had often been any computer at your home, any way you could get it. Usually in some kind of kit form. Not for those shy about hardware hacking.

      Back in the early 1990s, of course, the Macintosh, the Commodore Amiga, and the Atari ST were personal computers that were not "IBM Personal Computer Clone", and no one was confused about the "personal computer" term. Apple had some years by themselves, on the PowerPC chip, when they kept on being non-PC personal computers. The Macintosh did eventually become just another PC. But that by no means limits the extent of "personal computer".

      Certainly all smart phones quality as personal computers. They are not JUST personal computers, they're also generalized communications devices. But they're considerably more powerful personaly computers than most PC or non-PC personal computers for the 1990s.

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    28. Re:My wife will have what I'm willing to support by hazydave · · Score: 1

      In the trade, an embedded system is a system with a fixed function that's microcontroller/microcomputer powered. Like a dumb phone, a microwave oven, most modern cars, etc. An embedded system is designed to do a certain set of functions when its shipped, and those functions rarely change. Sure, in modern times you can update firmware: DVD/BD players, MP3 players, digital cameras, etc. Sometimes you can even get hacks (Canon DSLR firmware, for example), but in general, it's a fixed set of functions.

      PCs, PDAs, Smart Phones, Game Consoles, etc. are all flavors of application platforms... very different than embedded systems. These devices are fitted with all kinds of extra resources designed to expand functionality with new applications. There's really nothing magical about a "PC" that makes it something fundamentally different than a smart phone in the way its used. There is something fundamentally different about your microwave oven or digital camera.

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    29. Re:My wife will have what I'm willing to support by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      You gave absolutely no evidence that the phone wasn't a PC.

      Then I can only conclude that you don't have a clue about the topic, and are uninterested in learning more. Engineers in the mobile phone industry never consider a smartphone to be a PC. It's embedded systems design. And I gave you some of the reasons why.

    30. Re:My wife will have what I'm willing to support by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      The question of whether non IBM-PC compatible computers are PCs is debatable. There's no right or wrong answer - there's people that will argue both sides - it's been used in both ways.

      But that has nothing to do with the question of smartphones, which are certainly not PCs, but embedded devices.

    31. Re:My wife will have what I'm willing to support by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      An embedded system is a computer system designed to perform one or a few dedicated functions often with real-time computing constraints.

      Real time computing constraints. Such as a GSM stack for example.

      By contrast, a general-purpose computer, such as a personal computer (PC), is designed to be flexible and meet a wide range of end-user needs.

      On the same page:

      "Telecommunications systems employ numerous embedded systems from telephone switches for the network to mobile phones at the end-user.... Consumer electronics include personal digital assistants (PDAs), mp3 players, mobile phones, videogame consoles... As the complexity of embedded systems grows, higher level tools and operating systems are migrating into machinery where it makes sense. For example, cellphones, personal digital assistants and other consumer computers often need significant software that is purchased or provided by a person other than the manufacturer of the electronics. In these systems, an open programming environment such as Linux, NetBSD, OSGi or Embedded Java is required so that the third-party software provider can sell to a large market."

      Yes, we're still on the embedded systems page. QED.

    32. Re:My wife will have what I'm willing to support by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      "MacBook" vs. "MacBook Pro" are two arbitrary marketing designations for exactly the same kind of thing. "iPad" vs. "MacBook" refer to two completely different kinds of personal computing devices.

      Exactly my point. If it's worth having Macbook and Macbook Pro as seperate product lines, then it makes no sense to suggest that the MacBook would disappear because of the iPad.

      And these days, Apple's been favoring the former kind -- the one they control, the one that generates revenue for them from 3rd party software.

      You're over thinking the motivation in an effort to insert your own prejudices. For the reason Apple is preferring the iOS devices you only have to realise that many more people buy iOS devices than Macs, and iOS sales are growing much faster than Mac sales. That's where they make the overwhelming amount of their profits - on selling the devices. Not the slice of app sales.

    33. Re:My wife will have what I'm willing to support by aristotle-dude · · Score: 1

      With all due respect, I think things have changed quite a bit over the years so that the lines have blurred a bit between your definition of embedded systems and computers.

      Consoles, PDA's and Smartphones are not in the same category as PCs. While PCs have user upgradable operating systems as well as memory, devices like smartphones, PDA's and consoles usually have firmware updates to patch not only the bootstrap rom code but also the operating system of the device. They also cannot have their memory upgraded.

      While you can install new software on these devices, they still have hardware constraints for memory and and CPU usage which must be taken into consideration when developing for them. You don't have to worry about these things with PCs because you have access to so much more memory and even virtual memory.

      Just because these devices now have more power and resources than PCs from the 80's and 90's, it does not mean that they are not embedded devices with fixed hardware constraints.

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    34. Re:My wife will have what I'm willing to support by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      Every one of your examples also describes personal computers. An embedded device is a device that has a predetermined set of software installed at manufacture, and is intended to run that same set of software for it's life. A personal computer is a device that is designed for an individual user and is intended to have it's functionality changed by adding new software.

    35. Re:My wife will have what I'm willing to support by zeroshade · · Score: 1

      Notice how it refers to "mobile phones" in general and not smartphones specifically. Most non-smartphone mobile phones would qualify as an embedded device due to the design and lack of customizability. For example:

      Embedded systems are designed to do some specific task, rather than be a general-purpose computer for multiple tasks.

      Smartphones are designed to be a general-purpose computer whereas non-smartphone mobile phones are designed for only the specific task of handling the communications stack and sometimes (this is where the line is blurred) allow it to run embedded java for some Carrier applications.

      From the smartphone page:

      A smartphone can be considered as a Personal Pocket Computer (PPC) with mobile phone functions, because these devices are mainly computers, although much smaller than a desktop computer (DC). Additionally a PPC (Personal Pocket Computer) is more personal than a DC (desktop computer).

      If you're willing to budge that much, then I think we can agree on the PPC term. However, a PPC is simply a very small PC (not quite an embedded device). When writing an application for a smartphone, you consider it a PC with very low memory and cpu capacity (comparatively) you don't consider it as writing an application for an embedded device.

      Also, considering the pure specs that a lot of smartphones have, they are more powerful than many PCs of the early 90's. An embedded device will have very very low system specs in order to use as little power as it needs to perform it's specific task.

    36. Re:My wife will have what I'm willing to support by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Notice how it refers to "mobile phones" in general and not smartphones specifically.

      Notice too how I included in the quoted text PDAs and games consoles. If PDAs and games consoles are embedded systems as well as phones, there's absolutely no justification for suggesting that smartphones are not. A smartphone is after all a combined PDA and phone.

      When writing an application for a smartphone, you consider it a PC with very low memory and cpu capacity (comparatively) you don't consider it as writing an application for an embedded device.

      No, you really don't. Writing apps for a smartphone is completely different from writing apps for a PC. I covered that in a post elsewhere in this topic.

      Also, considering the pure specs that a lot of smartphones have, they are more powerful than many PCs of the early 90's.

      Its not a matter of power.

  60. Re:Women have a higher "Emotional IQ" by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 0

    I'm sorry to get your panties in a bunch, but what you wrote is simply not true ;-)

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    Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
  61. old people use android by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    young people use blackberry or iphone/

  62. Logic is overrated. by mosb1000 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Any logical argument is only as good as the assumptions which went into it. I'm not saying that logic and quantitative analysis are useless, but they are never perfect or complete. A reasonable person must take emotions when making decisions. And if you are a human being, your emotions influence your decisions, so if you don't realize that you are in denial (which is highly illogical). You are every bit as guilty of making snap judgements as any woman if you don't realize that.

    As a side note, I've never seen an iPhone user change their mind about their purchase. Ever. I don't believe that everyone I know who has an iPhone (inculding myself, and my entire immediate family) is an overly emotional nutcase.

    1. Re:Logic is overrated. by cerberusss · · Score: 1

      I don't believe that everyone I know who has an iPhone (inculding myself, and my entire immediate family) is an overly emotional nutcase.

      That seems hard to believe with Apple getting hit with an class-action law suit. There are plenty of people who will probably never going to buy an Apple phone again.

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    2. Re:Logic is overrated. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well I've seen a (female) iPhone user change her mind about her purchase. She had all sorts of problems with the iPhone, and eventually went back to a Blackberry. She freely admits she liked the style of the iPhone but *for her purposes* simply found it a less practical device for day-to-day use.

    3. Re:Logic is overrated. by slim · · Score: 1

      As a side note, I've never seen an iPhone user change their mind about their purchase. Ever.

      My mate's wife got a refund on her iPhone.

      She is partially sighted, and had been told that the iPhone had good accessibility features. This it did.

      However, the iPhone was severely crippled if it couldn't be synced to iTunes, and iTunes for Windows wouldn't play nicely with the accessibility software on her PC -- so she got her money back.

    4. Re:Logic is overrated. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >As a side note, I've never seen an iPhone user change their mind about their purchase. Ever.

      Well, I'll trump your statistical sample of 1 with my hardcore survey of 5 people who have bought iPhones and hated them. I think it's a call quality issue. If you are used to Nokias then iPhones, whilst nice iPods, are terrible phones. And let's not talk about iTunes.

      Here in .eu the majority of iPhones are given away free on contracts, especially business contracts. Not many people actually go out and *choose* an iPhone, it's just the feature phone of the moment (or was, now it's the new Nokia or an Android phone).

      Of course, I also know a few people who seem happy with their iphones, and they are all girls, and they dont use or instal any of the apps and have never updated the iOS. When their contracts are up they will get a new phone - be what it may.

  63. Factoring in cost? by Metrathon · · Score: 1

    I wonder what would happen if you ask the questions and include the cost of the device somehow. Wait you don't have to ask the question then, just see the sales stats.

  64. Re:Women have a higher "Emotional IQ" by metrix007 · · Score: 0, Troll

    Most people can safely ignore this guy.

    In the last few days I have seen him:

    Try to defend Linux security practices, which basically boil down to not disclosing bugs and relying on obscurity

    Try to insist the word hacker has absolutly nothing to do with breaking computer security and all those people using it are wrong

    I saw a previous discussion where he insulted a programmer by saying he should get a software engineer to explains things to him (which is a meaningless feelgood phrase).

    Now he he says some sexist bullshit, which has no scientific backing at all.

    My oh my how /. has fallen.

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  65. Best generalization so far! (Clap Clap Clap) by judeancodersfront · · Score: 1

    Most guys I know bought the iphone for the game selection which is undoubtedly superior. It's called freedom to choose from better games. Freedom is relative to what you value. There is no loss of freedom if you needs are met 100%. The freedom that matters is being able to choose from a variety of devices.

  66. Re:Women have a higher "Emotional IQ" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    [citation needed, because you're obviously talking out of your ass]

  67. Re:Women have a higher "Emotional IQ" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    people who act on their emotions most of the time are NOT logical people, sorry. emotions are manifestations of instinctual responses. they are the very antithesis of reason.

  68. Not what I see... by Anne+Honime · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When I commute every morning, I'm always surprised at how much men have iPhones and ladies have Blackberries. This may very well be a local thing (I live in Paris, France), but from my own casual observations, this is a firm trend here.

    In my humble opinion, it's because iPhones are very expensive even tied to an operator contract, while BBs have been marketed aggressively at quite low prices. It seems men are more likely to shell out money on nice toys, women are more responsible with the family budget.

    Now, I shouldn't make any generality out of it, but I think this study isn't to be taken as absolute truth either.

    1. Re:Not what I see... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've seen the same thing, and I live in Texas.

      Most women can't use iPhones because it's physically impossible to use a capacitive touchscreen if you have long nails. Most BlackBerries don't have touchscreens at all.

  69. Real men don't buy apple. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    John Wayne would never buy a fucking apple.

  70. Bad stats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Looks to me like there is no difference in choice between Android and iOS between men and women _except_ in the case of women and Android which they prefer less.

    Men: ~30% iOS, ~30% Android
    Women: ~30% iOS, ~23% Android.

    Which clearly means that Android's advertising towards women is either terrible or actually back firing.

  71. Re:Women have a higher "Emotional IQ" by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 0

    Well, you could start learning here, and then actually do some research on your own. My guess is that you'd rather continue to loudly proclaim your ignorance, though.

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    Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
  72. Pointless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The real question is do more men own Android or iPhone devices? People vote with their dollars. The sexual bias is based on the fact most women aren't into tech and iPhones are more friendly to use. In a survey it's easy to say you prefer something more open but what do they actually have in their pockets? I don't like the closed nature of iDevices but I still use them. Palm devices were more open. I could drag in images and video where as it's more of a hassle with iDevices. Sadly Android is doing better than Linux but it's suffering some of the same issues. Too open can be an issue just as much as closed. As much as I despise iTunes it's still better than the Android options. Buying and loading software and content is simple it's finding it in the first place that's a pain. They try to force feed you what they want you to buy. They might have thousands of movies in a given genre but they only display a few hundred so you have to resort to searching for movies. Screaming pain in the ass.

  73. Nice by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

    Oh, great. More labels.

  74. Yes, but... by denzacar · · Score: 1

    How does your boyfriend/husband feel about that?

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  75. Re:Women have a higher "Emotional IQ" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    You know.... when you want to try to prove a point, you might want to link to something that, I don't know, has something or even anything to do with the subject at hand. Your talking about "Emotional IQ" (pst, it was in the title of the post). Your link is about a book that talks about emotional NEEDS. "Emotional IQ" isn't the same as emotional needs, in fact they are two completely different things. I was right, you are talking out of your ass.

  76. Re:What really happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Have you actually used an Android phone? My 'setup' was: 1) Turn on phone, 2) Enter WiFi password, 3) Login to Google account, 4) Start browsing market.

    And you can skip step 3.

  77. sexist.. by epyT-R · · Score: 1

    Let me get this straight. the implied facts from the second article's author are:

    1. women prefer usability while men prefer (and this part is implied) toylike 'gadgetry.'
    2. women prefer feminine things because they are 'stylish' while men prefer masculine things because (Again, implied with the reference to spykeTV) they're insecure about themselves.
    3. men watch drivel on spyke exclusively while women much prefer more 'intellectual entertainment' (such as.. oprah? and those dance shows?).

    Yuck. The hating on masculinity needs to stop. if the bias was flipped, slashdot would be loaded with 'omg sexist!!' from all the bleeding heart capt-save-a-hoes here.

  78. Re:Women have a higher "Emotional IQ" by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 0

    Since you never mentioned Daniel Goleman it is clear that you have no idea what you are talking about, and since you are following up even though you post as AC it is clear you are a troll.

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    Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
  79. Percentages so close it doesn't matter by mrsnak · · Score: 1

    And old news.

  80. Bare-knuckled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Personally, I suspect it's the bucket of does. It's perfect for a stag party.

  81. Re:Women have a higher "Emotional IQ" by hedwards · · Score: 0

    Try to insist the word hacker has absolutly nothing to do with breaking computer security and all those people using it are wrong

    Actually, he's right about that. The preferred term for that is cracker. As in somebody that cracks security. And yes all the people that are saying otherwise are wrong.

  82. Re:Women have a higher "Emotional IQ" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't believe you are such a low life that you have nothing to do but use shill accounts to mod people down after you troll around trying to cause trouble. What a friggin' loser you are.

  83. I think they got the headline swtiched around... by fishexe · · Score: 2

    Gentlemen prefer Ladies, Androids prefer iOS

    There, that looks much better.

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  84. In conclusion by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    iPhones are for girlie men ;)

  85. Re:Women have a higher "Emotional IQ" by guyminuslife · · Score: 0

    Dammit, a Bohemian is someone from Bohemia, not these damn dirty hipsters!

    Caucasian means someone from the Caucuses, not white people in general. You are not Caucasian, you German-Irish poseur!

    Samaritans are a religious group, not a bunch of Christians who do charity.

    A faggot is a bundle of sticks---I don't understand why these people think it's an epithet for gay people. You're doing it wrong!

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  86. Re:Women have a higher "Emotional IQ" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am so tired of people making up things like "emotional intelligence" and then using it as if there is some scientific backing. Psychobabble.

  87. Re:Women have a higher "Emotional IQ" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Just because I'm posting as a AC ... it means I've been moderating in this story and don't want to invalidate the points I've given out"

    So by your own admission you are not only trolling, but you moderated every post Zero__Kelvin made down, and every post you made from your other shill accounts up, and you want to keep on being a scumbag. I challenge you to go ahead and prove it is not true. Post as yourself, invalidate your points, and let's see if Zero__Kelvin suddenly winds up with all the points he "lost" back. You won't do it, though, because you are a loser who has nothing better to do than troll and use shill accounts to modrate legitimate posters down when they remind you of how stupid you are.

  88. In comics by cciRRus · · Score: 1

    Summary in cartoon. Here.

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  89. I don't believe it by roc97007 · · Score: 1

    My experience has been that all the fanbois are... well.. bois.

    My daughter brought a Galaxy S to school in September and now several of her girlfriends have them. The reason? You can customize the home page, use live backgrounds and widgets. It's more customizable -- has more possibilities for BLING -- and girls like that.

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  90. Re:Women have a higher "Emotional IQ" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, that is why humans have such defined emotions. We simply do not have enough processing power in our brains and must resort to instinctual responses. In fact, this explains why the emotional processing parts of our brains are by themselves larger than most other mammalian brains.

    OR: It might just be that the most intelligent and socially adapted animal on the planet needs these emotions instead of simple instincts to survive. These emotions have given humanity the desire to build empires as well as curiosity to explore the planet and invent technology.. Emotions are what give humans direction. Enhanced processing power, language, and enhanced emotions were all needed to have humanity to be able to develop civilization.

    And no, emotions are not the antithesis of reason. Unbalanced emotions are.

  91. Re:Women have a higher "Emotional IQ" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    emotions aren't as defined as we make them out to be. they aren't states. they're chemical balancing acts in the brain that push us towards/away from certain behavior based on environment.

    the second paragraph is just special pleading. I will agree that we might score higher on the bigger, badder, better scale, but we're not any different than other mammalian life when it comes to emotions.

  92. I like the weasely way original article is worded by ugen · · Score: 1

    'So where is the extra appeal of Android to men coming from?' Oh, sure - so the *default* reasonable mode that the author assumes to be the norm is to prefer the iPhone, as women do. And now author wonders what might have possessed those silly males to prefer Android? Is it the commercials or what?

      Not a word about the opposite? What might make iPhone more attractive to women? Is it the effeminate Mac spokesperson in commercials? Is it the round Dove-soap-bar like form?

    I don't know, but what I do know is that article has a loaded theme and suggests a way one must use to think about this issue. I think I know who pays their salary :)

  93. Re:Women have a higher "Emotional IQ" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ROFL. I would have modded him down during the first post if I was doing that. Not to mention I couldn't have modded myself up (explain that one please, you can't mod up your own AC comments.). Also if you really feel that I've 'rigged it', please, REPORT IT!!! If I've done what your suggesting suddenly all my posts will disappear and he'll get the points removed. Honestly, don't flatter yourself so much. I wouldn't waste the points to mod you down (and again, the system does check and report if someone mods down AND replies to it. Its designed to prevent people from doing exactly what you're suggesting. Part of the history of how the karma system was designed. You really should read into that too.) If you'd been reading this since the beginning you'd have noticed that, WOW, he only just got modded down, not the whole time. Also, I'm not the only one to call BS on him (let me guess, you're going to claim that every account that contests him is mine?) If I was troll, I wouldn't have bothered looking up the presented 'evidence' let alone been able to call him on it, or point out a counter claim with subjects like John/Joan. But hey, I see name calling is still the only hope to win, huh? No trying to show any citations since honesty and truth are more of an inconveince then anything else I guess to someone like yourself (you have yet to show anything to back this whole 'emotional IQ' that women lead at yet)... Not only do you troll badly, but you had to go AC to defend yourself. Thats a whole new level of pathetic and sad. Not to mention your desperately grasping straws for anything. Fake 'evidence' to support yourself, name calling, now this, whats next? Create a new user to make it look like someone else is helping you? lol

  94. Wrong! ladies own more Androids by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The survey is asking what they would like, not what they will actually buy. In the end reality is that more women own Androids than iPhones. So what is happening is that "undecided" bunch of women and others that said iOS, are actually going for Android. My best guess it is the customization that attracts women.

    Women are notorious for saying one thing and doing another!!!

  95. Because some men research their choice. by mauriceh · · Score: 0

    It is pretty obvious that the reason men lean to the Android side is that more men actually do some product research before buying.
    As a result they find that the Android choice is technically better and offers some freedom of choice.
    Whereas a lot of women go with the standard "Apple stuff is easy"

    Kind of the Barbie Doll "Math is hard" schtick.

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    1. Re:Because some men research their choice. by mauriceh · · Score: 1

      Ah, one of the Apple Fanbois went and rated this down as "flamebait".

      How predictable.

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  96. Re:What really happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    tegra 2 and orion processor uses less power most of the time.

  97. Re:What really happens by mlts · · Score: 1

    Java is good for security. It takes a lot more for a Dalvik VM app to get out of the sandbox and start executing native ARM machine code, then find a way to get out of the per user access granted it. This is why almost all rooting exploits happen through ADB where native executables can be run.

    With a JIT compiler in Android 2.2, Java's performance loss is little to none, and to boot, security is gained because of the sandboxing. One can see the end result of this -- there are no pure Android apk files that can root the device, while iPhones were jailbreakable by just visiting a website.

    Is Android's way better than the iPhone? This can be argued endlessly. The reason why the 600MHz iPhone is smoother than Android devices is usually due to the fact that Android lets the apps background however they want to, while iOS kills them unless they are using a specific function or API (like playing music.)

    The good news is that while Apple's phones advance in lock step each year in the early summer, Android devices improve constantly. It wasn't that long ago when 300-500 MHz was the standard. Now 1-1.5 GHz devices are common with a solid amount of RAM and internal storage. Supposedly it will get better when devices start going multi-core (multi-coring will definitely improve responsiveness at the minimum), and sporting GPUs.

    So, in the way of architecture, Android does a good balance between performance and security.

  98. Re:Women have a higher "Emotional IQ" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, it isn't. The public decided a long time ago that hacker is the right word. No one cares what fucking Slashdot thinks.

  99. Real men use Blackberry by scottbomb · · Score: 1

    Nuff said.

  100. Re:"... have a larger ..." by snikulin · · Score: 1

    That's the true reason.

  101. guys want features, girls want it to look pretty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    guys want features, girls want it to look pretty

  102. sex change? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess that I need a sex change, I have a number of iOS devices and am stearing clear of Android after not finding Linux/OpenSource stuff to my liking.

  103. Correction... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People who like being watched prefer Android. Everyone else prefers iOS.

  104. Re:Women have a higher "Emotional IQ" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It could be worse. You could be working somewhere where your year-end performance appraisal includes an assessment of your emotional intelligence and how empathetic you are towards your colleagues.

    To be fair, it is changing the corporate culture. The senior managers that value competence over emotional intelligence are all leaving, giving us a senior management team that's highly empathetic.

    Shame they're destroying the company.

    (posted anon. for obvious reasons)

  105. You are an idiot. by mosb1000 · · Score: 1

    It being class action lawsuit just means there are multiple affected parties, it doesn't mean a lot of people were involved. Certainly not enough that in the couple dozen people I know with the device you could find one that sued.

    Also, this lawsuit is from 2008, and involved the 3G (2 generations ago) so it would not be relevant to a present day purchasing decision.

    Also, you are an idiot.

    1. Re:You are an idiot. by cerberusss · · Score: 1

      Also, you are an idiot.

      You must be a blast at parties.

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  106. Re:Women have a higher "Emotional IQ" by Chrisq · · Score: 0

    A faggot is a bundle of sticks---I don't understand why these people think it's an epithet for gay people. You're doing it wrong!

    Don't you mean homosexuals. Surely Gay are bright happy spirited people....

  107. Re:Women have a higher "Emotional IQ" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1888084&cid=34378092 metrix007: You're a troll that ran when he was confronted on his trolling there in that URL I just put up, because you weren't able to dispute and disprove what was posted and you were asked to. You talk a big game metrix007, but you can't even show anyone here that you've done more than those you called "ignorant and misinformed" in that URL above. Grow up, do something with your life, before you try to play "expert" with anyone here or elsewhere that have (which is what you tried above, and you ran, lol!). You're FAR from being able to judge others on technical expertise pal, above all else, just based on your trolling and running in the URL above I just posted, and Linux gets hit less because it's less used you moron. Online thieves are like thieves in train stations: They gather where the most people are to victimize them from 1 attack codebase, and today plus for decades now, that's Windows. So you can take your spin bullcrap and lose disgracefully now, as you always do.

  108. stupid vs practical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd say most woman don't put any thought into these purchases other than they are
    cool to have these days. While men can see that they get the same thing from a droid for
    substantially less money?

  109. metrix007 is a cowardly little troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1888084&cid=34378092 metrix007 is a troll that ran when he was confronted on his trolling there in that URL I just put up above. That's because he isn't able to dispute and disprove what was posted and he was asked to. metrix007 sure talks a big game metrix007, but he can't even show anyone here that you've done more than those you called "ignorant and misinformed" in that URL above. He is also a multiple registered account utilizing little troll here on /. that does exactly what you state, and everyone knows it, including yourself.

  110. Re:Women have a higher "Emotional IQ" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The OP put the term in quotes; a subtle but important detail which which everybody here seems to have missed.

  111. The whole debate is pointless by majster42 · · Score: 1

    The whole debate over android/iphone is really pointless. just look at http://onlyfor.mobi/ and you'll see what I mean :)

  112. The OP called it. by Vanderhoth · · Score: 1
    This seems to be exactly what the OP was warning us of.

    "Why'd you buy that?" - "IT'S JUST BETTER - SHUT UP!"

    seems to be pretty analogs to "Apple's being sued because they're screwing over customers" - "You are an idiot".
    "You are an idiot" and other name calling responses are what illogical people resort to when they have no response to an argument they're presented with.

    1. Re:The OP called it. by mosb1000 · · Score: 1

      My comment said more than just that. You should read past the subject line for my in-depth analysis.

    2. Re:The OP called it. by Vanderhoth · · Score: 1
      I did, I was referring to the last line of your post.

      Also, you are an idiot.

      I hardly ever read the subject lines. they're normally an inaccurate assessment of the actual post, or reiterated within the post.

      I guess that's what I get for paraphrasing.

    3. Re:The OP called it. by mosb1000 · · Score: 1

      Did you notice any preceding lines?

  113. Farmville vs Pr0n by vlm · · Score: 1

    I believe this is called a rhetorical question:

    'So where is the extra appeal of Android to men coming from?' asks Tracey E. Schelmetic.

    The farmville addicts that I closely know, all of whom are women, claim "everyone knows the iPhone farmville app is great". Maybe the android app is technically identical, but that doesn't matter if "everyone" does not know it.

    On the other hand, all guys know that apple censors their app store, so if you want mobile 3G pr0n apps you need an Android. You'd think that "feature" alone would drive corporate support to iPhone, but no, stuck with icky blackberries that no one wants other than the corporate IT guy whom got sports tickets for signing a contract..

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  115. I liked my iPhone - until I got my BB Torch by Deviant · · Score: 1

    I had an iPhone 3G up until just recently. I mostly used it for work email/calendar to an Exchange server, Facebook, LinkedIn and some occasional browsing. The 4 update made it unusable and, while recent ones broguht it back to life a bit, I was a bit over it.

    I replaced it with a BB Torch and it is a revelation - great keyboard, great screen, great build quality, very fast, great FB/LinkedIn apps, great built-in RSS app, better Exchange inter-operability (invite attendees to appointments and see their availability, deal with recurring appointments properly, etc), better battery life and an alright mobile browser.

    I never thought much of the berries in the past prefering geeky toys like the WM HTC phones back in the day. I have hit the age though where I want a simple workhorse device to get me the emails and updates I want and let me reply quickly where needed then put it away. This does that well for me. Don't count RIM out...

  116. Duh. by AP31R0N · · Score: 1

    Apple's only ever made products for women.

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  118. ZeroKelvin regarding metrix007 trolling you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1888084&cid=34459018 where metrix007 the troll is trolling someone as he did yourself here:

    http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1897056&cid=34455480

    It ought to be very funny, considering metrix007 won't backup his words versus 15 points another poster here made about hosts files use and their benefits.

  119. It's simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Women are more likely to choose form over function, while men are more likely to choose function over form.

  120. After reviewing by moeluv · · Score: 1

    After taking a moment to review my girlfriends shoe collection, I'm convinced this is another instance of women choosing form over function.

  121. Here in my country women prefeers Blackberrys... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .... but for a complete different reason.

    Here in El Salvador iphones and droids are in a price range far away from the average income (they sold them in a price range of $600-$900). But you can find blackberrys on cereal boxes and if you walk in the streets you are not going to see any iphones or droids but a lot of blackberrys 8520.

    Its interesting because theyre very cheap, you can have your blackberry 8250 for $17 monthly with a subscription for 18 months. Many women want a blackberry here just to access facebook and chat trought BB Messenger.

    PD. Sorry for my bad english.

  122. Difference between men and women. by plastick · · Score: 1

    Easy.

    Like it or not, as human animals, men are more controlling and women are more submissive. Andriod gives you more control over the device and iPhone tells you how it's going to be with little configuration.

    Even in human sexuality, respective to men and womens' anatomy, man experience joy in their masculinity in the act of romantic dominance (penetration) while women experience their femininity in the act of romantic surrender (being penetrated). Ask women if they like being spanked and having their hair pulled in intercourse. (Understanding that while using generalities, obviously there are always exceptions to the rule.)

    How about a hard question?

    "Where do you want to eat tonight?" "I don't know. You pick."

    1. Re:Difference between men and women. by pantheonwhaley · · Score: 1

      That is almost exactly the attitude that leads to a robot dog rapist prowling the streets of Japan.

  123. Really I just hate Android commercials by lidocaineus · · Score: 1

    Or more specifically, the Motorola Droid commercials. It's like they were written and targeted towards 14 year olds. They heavy-handed robotic imagery that isn't interesting. The "edgy" flickering logos. The robotic arms. "Becoming one with your phone." It totally turns me off because it seems so... dated.

  124. Android? iOS? Who cares? by wcrowe · · Score: 1

    All I know is I'm in love with the new T-Mobile Spokesmodel and I'm buying whatever she tells me to.

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    Proverbs 21:19
  125. techno-macho? by Sir+Realist · · Score: 1

    "techno-macho phone brand names like "Droid""
    Seriously? Hands up who didn't hear "droid" and immediately flash an image of R2D2 and C3P0 - a cuddly teddy-robot and an effete ponce. "Macho" is not word that leaps to mind.

  126. Partisanship by Deliveranc3 · · Score: 1

    Personally I love Android. I came into the phone scene without a bias did a MOUNTAIN of research and then went Android, with a vengeance. I bought a bunch of phones and launched a MVOIP company.

    Why Android? because of gray markets, because of less control on the part of the developer and the potential to go open source.

    I'm ashamed of the wider phone buying public, I don't care what phone you buy but you should have a VOIP option, first to save you money I.E. time, I.E. sex. Second because the government with their recent rulings (in Canada) that deep packet inspection should be mandatory are saying we don't have the right to private conversation.

    For me that's the point where society stops being a way to protect our rights and becomes a hurdle to freedom, and the government is too scared to countenance the debate... it is being slowly decided by protective laws against specific instances of crime.

    I'm usually quite left wing, I support government involvement in as much as it curtails corporate collusion. However when regulations are being proposed, simply to make the barriers for entry into a business insurmountable, I think it's time to draw the line.

    I don't think individual communications should be constantly monitored; even if it means the elimination of child pornography, atomic boyscouts, and sociopathic megalomania.

    At the moment the iPhone really only has Skype and Fring, both tied into government monitoring and quite expensive. Skype recently removed support from other services (Nimbuzz for example) while pretending to open an API.

    If we're to have any hope of continued anonymous and private communication in the coming years it's important people embrace SIP telephony on their phones. It'll save you money and when 802.11n gains acceptance you'll never pay a phone bill again.

    Please give some thought to deep packet inspection and regulation of communication companies that don't provide government intrusion. This issue is being decided in the next five years, and it will never be aired in public.

    Please save money by getting a VOIP system that can support end to end encryption and open standards.

  127. Re:I think they got the headline swtiched around.. by greghodg · · Score: 0

    Gentlemen that prefer ladies prefer iOS too.

  128. Re:What really happens by Lundse · · Score: 1

    He had to put in his email and password?????

    Wow, I can see why he traded it in. What a hazzle.

    Me, I'm pretty tech-savy, got a linux geek I know to help me, and in the end we managed to find both my email address AND my password, and from then on everything synced, including calendar and contacts. Then we spent another day putting in my FB password, that was a real job, I tell you.

    How did her Apple get around this exactly, what clever, innovative function made the iPhone so much easier to set up?

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    IAIFARSIJDPOOTV - I Am In Fact A Reality Star; I Just Don't Play One On TV
  129. not true by ganjadude · · Score: 1

    quite simply everyone i talk to that tells me they are getting an iphone, i recommend an android device (depending on their carrier)
    They all laugh at me and go get their iphone and within no lie 2 weeks, 90% of them are telling me they wish they listened to me.

    for the record I have the droid 2, the blackberry storm was my previous model.(do not recommend a storm or any blackberry until the new BbOs is out)

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    have you seen my sig? there are many others like it but none that are the same
    1. Re:not true by mosb1000 · · Score: 1

      But are they actually returning them, or are they just saying that to stroke your ego?

    2. Re:not true by Grapplebeam · · Score: 1

      You know, I don't think you believe any of this, because I refuse to believe stereotypes exist at all. You must be trollin', son.

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      There is no -1 Disagree.
    3. Re:not true by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      Most get sold on craigslist, I have helped most of these people I am talking about get into an android phone. I dont believe my friends are the kind of people to tell me what I want to hear( usually because i hear the opposite)

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      have you seen my sig? there are many others like it but none that are the same
  130. Gender differences by pckl300 · · Score: 1

    Men like doing what they want. Women like being told what to do.

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    In the beginning, there was null.
  131. Skip the us VS them mentality... by Grapplebeam · · Score: 1

    Because iPhone is inherently against freedom. We should ALL be against Steve Jobs' megalomania! Not iPhone, himPhone! Who is with me?!

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    There is no -1 Disagree.
  132. Re:Cosmetic Computing by aristotle-dude · · Score: 1

    I will not sacrifice technology "feature set", and capability just for looks. I certainly will not allow some business or CEO dictate to me how my device should be used.

    So what you are telling us is that you prefer "feature" phones rather than a smart phone. Smart phones usually do not come with every feature under the sun. Rather, features can be added with optional free or paid third party software. As long as the vendor supplied an API to access the various base hardware features of the phone, third party devs can find all sorts of innovative uses for that hardware.

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    Jesus was a compassionate social conservative who called individuals to sin no more.
  133. Capacitive touchscreens are misogynistic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd be willing to bet that most women use neither.

    If you have long nails, capacitive touchscreens are physically impossible to use. The majority of women I know use portrait QWERTY devices without touchscreens, like BlackBerries, Nokia E7[1-3]s, or dumbphones like the Samsung Magnet.

  134. Apples by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everyone knows Apples are for Vaginas, its why men have them.

  135. Its a different kind of freedom by subsonic · · Score: 1

    I also have an n900. I find its response to be respectable for the kind of phone it is. Yes there are faster phones out there now, but what a difference a year makes. Its quite impressive how much has changed, though not that much has improved. I think the best thing about my n900 is that I can configure it however I want. Hell, I can even run it without a SIM card or a cell phone plan (it would still be quite good at making skype calls). The N900 is certainly not for everyone, or even most users. I am constantly frustrated about the kinds of apps the phone lacks, but at the same time, on the hardware side I can use the device how i see fit. I will hold on to the N900 since it works without a SIM even after I change phones. I think using it as a "micronetbook" is rather appealing and I want to be able to play with Meego when that finally becomes more usable.

  136. he she it by q231950 · · Score: 1

    what are you if you're using both kinds of OSs?