Archaeologists Find 2,400-Year-Old Soup

What we really want to know... by uvsc_wolverine · 2010-12-14 05:18 · Score: 4, Funny

So how does it taste?

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Re:What we really want to know... by commodore64_love · 2010-12-14 05:25 · Score: 1

That's what I'd like to know. I had no idea one could eat bone. Is it ground to a powder first, and then water added? Sounds like a good way to get lots of calcium.

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Re:What we really want to know... by DNS-and-BIND · 2010-12-14 05:28 · Score: 2

Probably vile. I had bone hotpot one time. I was invited to the restaurant by an acquaintance, and was horrified when I found out what the specialty of the house was. The bits of meat clinging to the bones were OK, but the tendons and other connective tissue were dreadful. I filled up on boiled vegetables, mostly. The worst part came at the end, when the enormous cracked-in-half bones were taken out of the boiling pot and given to each of the diners. Waiters showed up with plastic straws. I stood horrified as each of the diners stuck the straw into the broken end of the bone and slurped out the by-now-almost-liquified marrow. You know how when someone's drinking a Slurpee and you can see the level in the straw rise until it reaches their mouth? Yeah, it was like that, only with bone marrow. This was back when I was still in my "I should try everything in China" phase, so I took a sip. It was as bad as I thought it would be. My fellow diners thought this was the crowning achievement of the whole meal, and were simultaneously disappointed and delighted when I passed my bone. Disappointed because I didn't like it, but delighted because there was more for them.

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Re:What we really want to know... by ColdWetDog · 2010-12-14 05:31 · Score: 1

That's what I'd like to know. I had no idea one could eat bone. Is it ground to a powder first, and then water added? Sounds like a good way to get lots of calcium.
Bone meal. Soup is good food.

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Re:What we really want to know... by oodaloop · 2010-12-14 05:32 · Score: 1

It should be served as leftovers. You know, tomb marrow will be better.

OK, honestly, I think that was the worst pun I've ever used. I'll show myself out now.

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Re:What we really want to know... by Abstrackt · 2010-12-14 05:34 · Score: 1

If you ever buy canned salmon you're guaranteed to encounter bones in it eventually; they're edible despite their chalky texture. I believe bone soup just uses the bone as a flavoring/thickening agent, not literally as an ingredient.

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Re:What we really want to know... by TheCarp · 2010-12-14 05:35 · Score: 2

While I do believe that if you cook bones enough they do soften and can be eaten...
I believe its more likely that they were cooked for the marrow. Check out the meat section of a good grocery store (preferably with their own butcher). They will have big beef bones labeled "marrow bones" for cheap. Toss a couple of those in a stew and cook until the marrow falls out.... I already ate lunch and thats making me hungry again....

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Re:What we really want to know... by tacktick · 2010-12-14 05:44 · Score: 1

Hurl!!
You owe me lunch.
Re:What we really want to know... by DarkOx · 2010-12-14 05:48 · Score: 2

I suspect they did not eat the bone. They probably were making broth with it just like we do today. You boil the bone and the marrow flavors the broth. The bone is removed before eating.

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Re:What we really want to know... by DigiShaman · 2010-12-14 05:52 · Score: 1

About 5 years ago, I was with my now wife at Chengdu, China visiting one of her friends. She took us both out to a fancy restaurant that served hotpot. I was served throat-of-cow, tongue of some bovine (cow maybe), pig brain, and some tiny bird eggs.
Eventually, the textures and smell of it all forced a prayer to the porcelain Buddha. I shall never forget... and trying to forgive.

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Re:What we really want to know... by gstoddart · 2010-12-14 06:13 · Score: 2

That's what I'd like to know. I had no idea one could eat bone.
But, surely you're aware that making soup and stock often includes bones to simmer off the last of the meat or things like the marrow, right?
I mean, the turkey carcass after thanksgiving often goes into a pot as the basis for a soup. Same thing.

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Re:What we really want to know... by cayenne8 · 2010-12-14 06:13 · Score: 1

What I want to know is...
Does it come with and egg roll and fried lice?

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Re:What we really want to know... by gstoddart · 2010-12-14 06:22 · Score: 4, Insightful

The worst part came at the end, when the enormous cracked-in-half bones were taken out of the boiling pot and given to each of the diners. Waiters showed up with plastic straws. I stood horrified as each of the diners stuck the straw into the broken end of the bone and slurped out the by-now-almost-liquified marrow.
Marrow is eaten in almost all cultures ... it's full of fat and things that people find tasty.
Examples include Ossubuco (which you can probably find pretty readily), roasted bones with the marrow still in 'em, and probably more (OK, those two examples are probably close to the same thing).
Back when people didn't have the luxury of only buying the pretty bits at the supermarket, people basically ate the whole animal. I know loads of people who will feast out on tendon or pig ears -- it's not for me (I don't eat meat), but it's not really surprising that people eat it. Asia and some food-revivalists seem to be the last bastions of eating all of the obscure bits of an animal. The sheer number of foodies nowadays probably makes some of this stuff even more common.
I figure if you're gonna eat animals, embrace the horror, and try all of the parts. Who knows, you could find something you can't live without.

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Re:What we really want to know... by Rakshasa+Taisab · 2010-12-14 06:25 · Score: 1

I was reading that and thinking... Sounds potentially GOOD.
I'm thinking it might be your lack of enjoyment was much more the visual and mental image of the meal than the actual taste / texture.

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Re:What we really want to know... by dogsbreath · 2010-12-14 06:32 · Score: 1

It should be served as leftovers. You know, tomb marrow will be better.

mmmmmm...... tomb marrow! glghglghglgh droool
Re:What we really want to know... by DNS-and-BIND · 2010-12-14 06:47 · Score: 1, Insightful

Nope. It was the actual taste. After years of living in China I've had all the adventurousness beaten out of me with a truncheon. I ate all sorts of things that aren't typically considered food, and they were all not delicious. It's just with all these pretentious "foodies" these days, they do precisely the opposite: convince themselves that food is good merely because it is exotic. Camel's hump is actually not good. Sea Cucumber is horrible not really for the actual taste, but rather the godawful texture. Sure, it's fun to watch the drunken shrimp jump around in the bowl, but the actual taste experience? Not memorable. Sucking bone marrow with a straw is the kind of thing you have to grow up with. I enjoy pork rinds myself even though I fully understand what they are. Why? I ate 'em when I was a kid. To each his own.

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Re:What we really want to know... by Gilmoure · 2010-12-14 07:03 · Score: 1

Interesting sig ya got there.

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Re:What we really want to know... by formfeed · 2010-12-14 07:14 · Score: 4, Insightful

Back when people didn't have the luxury of only buying the pretty bits at the supermarket, people basically ate the whole animal

They still do.
The difference is, traditionally people ate the good meat and turned the not-so-prime parts of exactly the same animal into dishes that -thanks to some creativity- made the rest of the meat tasty as well (at least for the locals). These dishes evolved into regional specialties.
Today, the prime meat is sold and the rest gets rendered, combined with the leftovers of another thousand animals, and processed to turn it into fatty, protein or gelatinous fillers. This mass than ends up in canned soups, soup base, in sausages, ready made dinners, or as natural flavoring added to anything else. - Or if everything else fails, you can always feed it back to the animals.
Re:What we really want to know... by SeattleGameboy · 2010-12-14 07:24 · Score: 1

Funny, how everything comes around. Today, bone marrow is probably one of the top "foodie" gourmet item. All of the celebrity chefs like Bourdain, Riepert, and others sing high praises of bone marrow and routinely feature bone marrow dishes on their shows.
I am sure there are thousands of foodies who would have loved to been in your shoes at the dinner.
Re:What we really want to know... by icebraining · 2010-12-14 07:38 · Score: 1

Cow tongue is a popular dish here in Portugal, and according to Wikipedia it's also used in Germany, Belgium, English and many other cuisines.
And tiny bird eggs, what's wrong with Quail eggs? They're much tastier than chicken eggs, in my opinion.
Never had pig brain, but cow brain isn't bad, and although not my kind of food, it's popular in many countries, including regions of the US.

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Re:What we really want to know... by ljgshkg · 2010-12-14 07:44 · Score: 1

I haven't try all of those, but half of those you mensioned. But I can tell you that for many Chinese food, if you don't wash cleanly or correctly, then it does taste/smell very bad. If it does smell that bad, then I'd say you should rethink about the restaurant lol. I'm from southeast China. And many as you might know, Cantonese eat basically everything. We've encountered countless times that food doesn't taste as it should because it's not well cleaned/clearing-smell. It's too much work for restaurant and they don't always take the time do that well.
Re:What we really want to know... by DNS-and-BIND · 2010-12-14 07:46 · Score: 1

1. the quality of being novel; newness; freshness
2. something new, fresh, or unusual; change; innovation
3. a small, often cheap, cleverly made article, usually for play or adornment: usually used in pl.
Come on man, foodism is all about novelty. Those people can convince themselves that something is good merely because it is unusual. I had bone marrow without any preconceptions...heck I was even open-minded towards bizarre foods. It was awful. Just wait, a year from now, bone marrow will be back to being offal that only hicks eat, and the celebrity chefs will all be hawking the benefits of baking soda mixed with Pixie Stix as the Next Big Thing. "Snorting your food! Bypass the mouth for that next big sensation!" See this article from The Onion for an illustration.

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Re:What we really want to know... by hey! · 2010-12-14 08:13 · Score: 1

Every have, say, French Onion Soup? That's basically beef bone soup with onions and bread in it and topped with melted cheese.
Obviously you can't munch on the calcium in bones much,but bones are chock full of nutrition. That's why dogs evolved to gnaw on bones. They're mainly after the marrow, which have lots of fat and protein, but even the bone walls have nutrients and flavor in them.
What you do is boil the bone, skimming off the mineral scum that floats to the surface. It works best if you roast the bone first. All the goodies leach out, then you put the liquid in the fridge so the fat can separate out. Peel off the layer of fat, and what you've got is thin beef flavored gelatin. Don't bother giving the bone to the dog after that. He won't be interested because all the flavor and nutrients are gone.

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Re:What we really want to know... by BobMcD · 2010-12-14 08:13 · Score: 2

Wow. Slashdotters must never cook or something. Amazing, considering how fat you all are.
Don't look now, but you just posted on slashdot - fatty.
Re:What we really want to know... by treeves · 2010-12-14 09:40 · Score: 1

Of course. Cheetos, Taco Bell and Domino's Pizza requires no cooking. Hot Pockets require heating, but that is not cooking.

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Re:What we really want to know... by Belial6 · 2010-12-14 10:20 · Score: 1

What's wrong with it is, much like a 5 year old that only wants to eat Chicken McNuggets and french fries, most people have a specific list of items they consider acceptable. They then shun anything different, and as time goes on, their pallet adjusts to what they are eating, so anything different is 'gross'.

If you pay close attention, you can see this in your own eating. I used to hate tea. I hated all of it. It all had the same flavor and tasted like chewing on a mouthful of grass. At one point, I decided to learn how to NOT taste the plant part of the tea. I started by drinking heavily mixed teas, where the plant flavor was less. Over time, I was able to ignore the taste of grass, and find the underlying flavor. It isn't that I learned to like it. It is that I learned how not to taste parts of it. The same with diet soda. Even if I am eating a candy bar, I will choose a Diet Coke over a regular Coke. Not because I like diet better. Regular Coke is WAY better. It is that I spent a long time learning to train my pallet to ignore the gross diet after taste, and I don't want to lose that. (No, soda is my vice, and I am not going to give it up.)

Many (most?) adults just don't realize that what they do and don't like to eat tends to be more about their level of familiarity than anything else. They get confused because they have a list of maybe 200 things they will eat instead of the 20 that a 5 year old might have.
Re:What we really want to know... by Ambvai · 2010-12-14 10:24 · Score: 1

Didn't you just summarize the process of making consomme?
Re:What we really want to know... by hey! · 2010-12-14 11:16 · Score: 1

Yes. I'm assuming the poster probably doesn't know what consomme is.

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Re:What we really want to know... by shermo · 2010-12-14 14:53 · Score: 1

Disappointed because I didn't like it,
Probably the best thing I did when I was living in Korea for a months was to eat all of their food. They couldn't believe that a westerner would eat the same food they did, and were really impressed. I didn't like most of it, but I still ate it without complaining.
I blame/thank my mum's terrible cooking when I was growing up and her "if you complain about the food you can cook tomorrow" rule. I can eat just about anything without making a fuss.

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Re:What we really want to know... by ashidosan · 2010-12-14 15:01 · Score: 1

It's called gelatin.
Re:What we really want to know... by Sulphur · 2010-12-14 16:34 · Score: 1

Gordon Ramsey meet Wikileaks.
Re:What we really want to know... by boinso · 2010-12-14 18:41 · Score: 1

check out: http://westonprice.org/foodfeatures/513-why-broth-is-beautiful.html

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Re:What we really want to know... by bronney · 2010-12-14 18:44 · Score: 1

It's fried rice, you plick!
Re:What we really want to know... by Kilrah_il · 2010-12-14 21:07 · Score: 1

It tastes like chicken

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Re:What we really want to know... by jfreaksho · 2010-12-16 01:29 · Score: 1

Aspartame is worse for you than sugar, probably even worse than high-fructose corn syrup. The word "diet" on a label does not make the contents healthy. You'd do better to buy kosher or Mexican Coke, with real sugar that you body knows how to process. It's still not healthy, but better than the alternatives.

Eh... by Lorem_Ipsum · 2010-12-14 05:23 · Score: 2

It has a little wang to it.

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Get the recipe! by AndyAndyAndyAndy · 2010-12-14 05:25 · Score: 1

It's like when Dogfish Head brewed up a replica of an ancient Chinese beer last year. A whole new world of food and drink that we've never experienced!

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Are you sure it wasn't from... by digitaldc · 2010-12-14 05:32 · Score: 1

...the truck stop Kwik-E-Mart on route 237?

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Of course we had soup by blai · 2010-12-14 05:36 · Score: 1

Kings and queens and everybody else who flies, farms, and fights drank soup. It's been documented countless times and it comes to a surprise how people find it surprising to find soup remnants.

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Re:Of course we had soup by oodaloop · 2010-12-14 05:41 · Score: 2

It's not a surprise they ate soup. It's a surprise we actually found some that old. Fossils stick around a while in the ground. Some metals, stones, etc preserve well. Soup? It's a rare find. If someone makes some soup, it's usually then eaten. If they died before eating, it would likely have been eaten by someone else, spilt, or otherwise lost or destroyed in the next 24 centuries. So yes, it's surprising to find old soup.

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Re:Of course we had soup by Skrapion · 2010-12-14 06:09 · Score: 2

Well, they probably didn't eat it because it went bad, and then they just never got around to throwing it out. It's like that Tupperware container in your fridge.

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Ahh, takes me back to college... by serutan · 2010-12-14 05:36 · Score: 1

I think SAGA used to serve this when I was in college. Or it might have been meatloaf. I was never sure.

Re:Ahh, takes me back to college... by Muad'Dave · 2010-12-14 06:28 · Score: 1

You didn't attend R-MC, did you?

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Before that ... by hsquared · 2010-12-14 05:37 · Score: 1

... they only had stone soup.

Re:Of course no crackers by DNS-and-BIND · 2010-12-14 05:38 · Score: 3, Insightful

When the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. An offhand lame attempt at humor added by a Slashdot editor does not mean that OMG AMERICAN IMPERIALISM WHARRGARBL.

Slashdot makes no secret of the fact that it's an American website with accompanying worldview. You don't like it, go elsewhere.

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Big deal by jvillain · 2010-12-14 05:39 · Score: 4, Funny

Big deal. I have older soup than that in my fridge.

Re:Big deal by LifesABeach · 2010-12-14 06:57 · Score: 1

I have dined at many Chinese resturants, and I cannot help but wonder what the MSG content of the 2,400 old soup is?

Is it soup yet? by RapmasterT · 2010-12-14 05:42 · Score: 1

This joke brought to you by TV from 40 years ago.

Re:Is it soup yet? by HTH+NE1 · 2010-12-14 07:29 · Score: 1

If only my mod points hadn't expired yesterday.

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Re:Is it soup yet? by RevWaldo · 2010-12-14 08:29 · Score: 1

Or a Rocky Horror revival.

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But I ordered the salad. by blair1q · 2010-12-14 05:45 · Score: 3, Funny

This place is not getting a good review for service from me.

Reminds me of the caveman's complaint by Megahard · 2010-12-14 05:56 · Score: 1

Primordial soup again?

I think that's from a Far Side cartoon.

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If you want 2400 year old soup ... by 140Mandak262Jamuna · 2010-12-14 05:58 · Score: 1

Just go to the Hometowne Buffet, why bother to dig all the way to China?

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Just shows you by rossdee · 2010-12-14 06:08 · Score: 1

Shouldn't order stuff by number off a Chinese menu

Anyway at the local mall the hamburger place took an hour to serve me my fries. I guess soup would have taken a couple thousand years...

Re:Of course no crackers by dogsbreath · 2010-12-14 06:12 · Score: 1

Didn't we get crackers from China?
Sigh... don't you have anything better to do than make lame comments about NA culture on an NA website?

Oh, wait. This is IDLE!

Of course you have nothing better to do! My bad.

Re:Of course no crackers by dogsbreath · 2010-12-14 06:14 · Score: 1

Having those packets of crackers seems to be (IMO) an American thing. So why should the Chinese have had them? Unless of course you think that /. is the centre of the universe and nothing exists outside US culture.

Better than Vegamite jokes Mr. Oz ;->

Unfortunately... by fahrbot-bot · 2010-12-14 06:29 · Score: 1

Researchers found a fly in the soup, so they sent it back. In related news, when the researchers were asked what they thought the fly was doing in the soup, they replied, "the backstroke."

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Re:Unfortunately... by operagost · 2010-12-14 09:44 · Score: 1

You found a joke that's older than the soup!

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Re:Of course no crackers by OzPeter · 2010-12-14 06:53 · Score: 1

When the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. An offhand lame attempt at humor added by a Slashdot editor does not mean that OMG AMERICAN IMPERIALISM WHARRGARBL.

Slashdot makes no secret of the fact that it's an American website with accompanying worldview. You don't like it, go elsewhere.

So lame humour by editors is fine, but lame humour by foreigners is not? Is that how it goes?

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Re:Of course no crackers by Jesus_666 · 2010-12-14 06:57 · Score: 1

Well, at least this isn't The Media, where the summary would have mentioned "the accompanying ancient hackers". ;)

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Re:Of course no crackers by DNS-and-BIND · 2010-12-14 07:01 · Score: 1

Sir, I am an American living in a foreign land. If I were to criticize a Chinese website for having a Chinese worldview, it would be the height of asshattery. In my case, it would be racist as well.

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Archaeologists Find 2,400-Year-Old Soup... by EnsilZah · 2010-12-14 07:02 · Score: 1

...,think "Should we risk it? There's nothing in the fridge and those expiration dates are bullshit anyway"

Re:Of course no crackers by OzPeter · 2010-12-14 07:10 · Score: 1

Sir, I am an American living in a foreign land. If I were to criticize a Chinese website for having a Chinese worldview, it would be the height of asshattery. In my case, it would be racist as well.

So what's your point? That people have to conform to your beliefs and/or local situation?

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Tupperware... by Anarchduke · 2010-12-14 07:15 · Score: 2

Eat your heart out.

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Reason it's bone soup by diskofish · 2010-12-14 07:19 · Score: 1

"It was the first discovery of chicken soup in Chinese archaeological history. Unfortunately one of the archeologists on the dig was feeling feeling peckish and gnawed every bit of chicken from the bones. He will pay with his life."

Liu Daiyun of the Shaanxi Provincial Institute of Archaeology as saying.

Re:Of course no crackers by BobMcD · 2010-12-14 08:19 · Score: 1

FWIW, I didn't find anything in your original comment to indicate humor, either. Claiming so now may well give you an 'out', but it didn't fly that way on first read.

You do seem to be right about the origin of crackers, though. That was unexpected.

freshness locked in by Aggrav8d · 2010-12-14 08:48 · Score: 1

If you'd spent 4200 years in a sealed pot... you'd be soup, too!

Re:I pity you... by DNS-and-BIND · 2010-12-14 08:59 · Score: 1

I pity you, you debased foodie. Die, die, die. Since moving to China in 2004, I have eliminated processed foods from my diet, period. Not out of choice, out of necessity. Such foods are simply not available for purchase. Maybe in Shanghai you can get Hot Pockets but around here, forget it. Entirely forgotten is the fact that, omigosh, someone might encounter a food and NOT LIKE IT. Blasphemy! We shall all blindly follow TV chefs and eat what they deem trendy!

PS only a POS foodie would say some stupid bullshit like "slow food". Talk about your Western cultural blinders. I have been involved in any number of traditional Chinese dinners that take 2-3 hours to complete. It is rather nice to sit down and enjoy the entire experience from beginning to end. The mid-meal cigarette is surely something your kind would be horrified by, but nonetheless exists here, and cannot be appreciated by a narrow-minded militant nonsmoker. Who the fuck cares if some food has monounsaturated fats if it tastes like a camel's ass droppings?

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Alert George Lucas! by SteveHeadroom · 2010-12-14 09:43 · Score: 1

I think we have the plot for the next Indiana Jones movie.

Re:Of course no crackers by operagost · 2010-12-14 09:46 · Score: 1

No. I believe his claim is that you are an insufferable douchenozzle. No putrid Vegemite for you today.

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I'll take the nasty bits ground up into hotdogs. by HornWumpus · 2010-12-14 11:10 · Score: 1

Which I also won't eat.

Let us know what corn cobs and straw taste like herbivore.

Let me guess you meant that to apply only to others.

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Re:Oddly enough the outside of the pot had a messa by dwarfsoft · 2010-12-14 11:23 · Score: 1

"Come back 2400 years!" ???

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Re:Of course no crackers by Sulphur · 2010-12-14 13:06 · Score: 1

Didn't we get crackers from China?

And we still do.

Yes, your dinner is cold, by tchdab1 · 2010-12-14 13:27 · Score: 1

and so are the cooks and all their descendents.

Re:Of course no crackers by dogsbreath · 2010-12-14 13:53 · Score: 1

It is an American website with a part-time Canadian worldview, you insensitive clod.

Just like home by Dthief · 2010-12-14 19:15 · Score: 1

Tastes just like momma used to make

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Re:Quail Eggs by GargamelSpaceman · 2010-12-20 04:14 · Score: 1

My brother, while living in Japan, would sometimes send me packages full of items from convenience stores/grocery stores/100 yen shops that he thought I'd get a kick out of.

Many of the packages had no english on them, so I had no idea what they were until I ate them. ( his note did basically inventory what stuff he sent, but I had to guess which was which )

Some stuff, like the squid and/or fish jerky was obvious, ( I have a picture of my daughter with dried tentacles hanging out of her mouth when she was three, chewing on squid jerky - it's kind of sweet, not bad actually. I'd never get her to eat squid or octopus now that she's five, and she won't eat fish except for smelts or fishsticks nowadays, though she does like steamed clams ).

It's my fault for not having fish enough I guess.

Anyway, I open this package of brown ovals, thinking they were chocolates, and pop one into my mouth. I chew, and realize it's certainly NOT chocolate. It tastes like a Slim Jim. I take it out of my mouth and look - it's full of ... yolk!. It's a Slim-Jim-ized Hard Boiled Quail-Egg. Once I knew what it was, and wasn't expecting Chocolate, it wasn't bad. I think they might actually sell in the US if Slim-Jim made them and aired comical commercials with pro wrestlers popping egg bombs or something. With the right marketing it could be another snack on the shelf next to the cash register.

The only thing he sent that I found inedible were these red pickled plums. Echh. Awful! I can't imagine why anyone would like them.

For wierd plums that actually ARE worth eating try googling Saladitos. these are plum pits ( I dunno if the whole plum is there or if it's just the pit left over after the pitting machine has depitted a plum destined to be a prune. They are very sour and very SALTY. It takes some time to warm up to the level of salt, but they are GOOD. The problem I have is that the first 5 or 6 are the best, and then you eat most of a bag of them. What I've taken to doing is ordering a bag of them, and hiding handfuls in sock drawers around the house. Then I go through the bag, but have the pleasure of the first 5 or 6 as I rediscover my hidden plum troves over the next few months.

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Re:Quail Eggs by GargamelSpaceman · 2010-12-20 04:21 · Score: 1

Oh and ANOTHER snack I know of that is good is salty licorice fish. I guess these are common in Sweden ( it was a Swede who introduced me to them ) but they OUGHT to be available in convenience stores next to the regular 'Swedish Fish'.

Thanks Internet for making them available ( though not conveniently )

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