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Chinese Stealth Fighter Jet May Use US Technology
Ponca City writes "In 1999, a US F-117 Nighthawk was downed by a Serbian anti-aircraft missile during a bombing raid. It was the first time one of the fighters had been hit, and the Pentagon blamed clever tactics and sheer luck. The pilot ejected and was rescued. Now, the Guardian reports that pieces of the wrecked F-117 stealth fighter ended up in the hands of foreign military attaches. 'At the time, our intelligence reports told of Chinese agents crisscrossing the region where the F-117 disintegrated, buying up parts of the plane from local farmers,' says Admiral Davor Domazet-Loso, Croatia's military chief of staff during the Kosovo war. 'We believe the Chinese used those materials to gain an insight into secret stealth technologies... and to reverse-engineer them.' Zoran Kusovac says the Serbian regime routinely shared captured western equipment with its Chinese and Russian allies. 'The destroyed F-117 topped that wish-list for both the Russians and Chinese,' says Kusovac."
Guess what? They also are stealing our music!! oh no!!
...is a pirated copy of Windows 7 they bought in a Shanghai alley.
There's no -1 for "I don't get it."
It seems only fair to ask whoever just had to take the shiny toy out for a spin whether it was worth it for Serbia?
My first though when I heard of the Chinese Stealth Fighter is I wonder where and how they stole the technology. No way China could build one themselves at this point without a little help. Not saying that they could not have built on further in the future on their own; only saying this was really quick.
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Why would they go to that much trouble , when all they have to do is ask one of the people working in our labs?
We think they're using some of our stealth tech. We tried to check, but couldn't find the plane. =(
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We got the technology for the F-117 Nighthawk from the downed alien space craft in Roswell. So why can't the chinese get it from us?
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about how IP is all a scam, anyway
We made something and it got copied. Innovation? that sounds expensive! Lets do what the media industry does, sue them instead. They can't use something that we've made illegal can they? That'd be...wrong.
Was that the one the German was piloting?
Does it actually lead to Y's superiority in the technology?
Or is it the case that God accidentally built a stone so heavy that he has to give ad hominem arguments against anyone who asks Him to lift it?
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Because even the Government knows that intellectual property is imaginary property.
the codename is "Chinese Whisper".
(any Americans present - this is what the British world call your game "telephone")
Wait a sec, their fighter looks nothing like an F-117. It looks like an F-35, and I'm more than willing to chalk the similarity up to the fact that it's simply the best design.
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The F-117 is a decades old design made of aluminum and off-the-shelf components. The only thing you need to canvas to build a F-117 is Google. This story is complete rubbish.
Yet another example of /. increasing anti-Chinese story bias.
So our F-117A gets shot down by a Yugoslav-made SAM, based on a Soviet design, in Serbia ten years ago. The F-117A was already close to 20 years old at the time, and it was retired in 2008. This is definitely the tech I want to be copying for my state-of-the-art stealth aircraft.
So, why exactly are we concerned that the J-20 will give the F-22 or F-35 a run for their money? We already know that the F-22 can splash (in mock combat) F-15s and F-16s with missiles before the F-22 is even detected. If the Chinese merely copied stealth tech from the F-117A and (apparently) photos of the F-35, is it really going to have good enough stealth to stand up against the F-22 or even just the F-35 in actual combat?
The US could have (should have?) bombed the wreckage at the time.
The F-117A is a bomber or "ground attack" aircraft, it is not an air-to-air fighter, despite what stupid movies and popular media say. This summary is also incorrect in calling it a fighter.
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In March it was shot down, in May, the US "accidentally" bombed the Chinese Embassy. There was widespread speculation the next day that it was to destroy stealth material. It wasn't a random bomb that fell onto Embassy grounds, but the most precise bomb that was available, with GPS coordinates given by the CIA rather than military intelligence, and dropped right on top of a specific foreign agents office, 5 times.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._bombing_of_the_Chinese_embassy_in_Belgrade
I think that they may not have stolen the design or the technology. It wouldn't surprise me if one day soon we were to realize how much the U.S. Government as well as many corporations were working closer than we'd like with the Chinese. I know that at the local level, administrations everywhere seem to be idolizing the Chinese.
We have some blurry photos of a largish fighter or light bomber, with a shape that looks like it was designed with a low RCS (Radar Cross Section) in mind, that would be done using equations the USSR published in the 1960s (never thinking that computers would become fast enough for them to be practical). What you would get from an F117 wreck would be RAM (Radar Absorbant Materiels), but how you can tell what an aircraft is made from via those photos is beyond me. Get the info from a US aircraft trying to track it, and you can say something, but all we can do with what is known now is speculate (which sure is fun).
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Even if a country like China was handed over the design for an advanced jet, it would be incredibly difficult to build one. The manufacturing processes for building advanced planes are complex and sophisticated. Developing countries have to build a whole military industrial complex and that takes a long time if you want to start from scratch. If they were able to do this in a short time, it is because they have a good industrial spy network. In fact an indian engineer was recently sentenced for selling stealth secrets to China. India has been unsuccessfully trying to build its own jet engine Kauveri for more than 20 in spite of having designs and even technical advise from advanced countries. So this article may be overstating the importance of getting access to an advanced plane.
One of the more serious problems with the military-industrial complex's development process, besides obvious little things like threatening to kill millions of people and possibly initiate nuclear winter, is that it takes a large number of scientists and engineers and diverts them away from useful civilian technology and diverts their talents to working on projects that ideally will never be used, and hides any parts of that work that could be useful away where the public can't use it.
There are occasionally useful technologies that escape - this "Internet" thing really is more convenient than uucp and Usenet were, and GPS is really cool but there are other ways to implement wide-area navigation systems without satellites. But they guys who were making tank engines 20% more efficient could have been doing that for truck engines or car engines, and the people working on improving small supersonic airplanes could have been improving civilian passenger or cargo airplanes instead.
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... that much of it was also gathered through the massive chinese-driven false flag espionage flood into western countries with scientists and engineers trained to employ, gain citizenship, and report back to China.
I wouldn't be so skeptical if it wasn't nearly every other month we hear of corporate espionage by the Chinese.
The F-117 was designed in the 1970's for deployment in the 1980's and 1990's.
Sure, we may not be comfortable with other countries copying the technology. But let's keep this in perspective. There's been a lot of advances since then...
It seems that, like information, stealth technology wants to be free.
Practically speaking, it was only a matter of time before technology flown into combat ended up in frenemy hands.
I'm sure this had nothing to do with the accidental US bombing of the Chinese embassy in Belgrade at the time.
China is stealing whatever tech that they can. It is time for America to take it seriously. At this time, America needs to stop doing funding Chinese to attend school here as engineers and hard science and then pay them to work on DOD projects. Much of that goes straight to China.
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They don't have to steal our tech, when GE is all to happy to hand it over to them. They have stealth now, all they need to do is go through the stuff GE is handing over to build jet engines to match ours.
As for the new Chinese stealth fighter, it's reported to be an even match for the Raptor...
You mean the J-20 which is due to be operational 6-8 YEARS from now? Most of what is "known" about it is just speculation based on some very limited information. Most performance projections are going to be pure conjecture until more information is available.
As for matching the F-22, did it occur to you that the folks selling the F-22 might have a vested interest in proclaiming this jet to be competitive with the F-22? Fear is a great way to sell weapons. It's certainly possible to design a jet to match the F-22, but its not remotely clear that this Chinese jet reaches or will reach that level of performance.
Some people just think other people can't build better stuff than they do. And I call that kind of people arrogant dumb asses. Humbleness has been traditionally regarded by Chinese as a virtue for thousands of years. Being humble doesn't limit the creativity or diligence by all means. Chinese people won't hold knowledge as asymmetrical information against the other people for ridiculous profit. From bare-bone telecom equipments, high speed train, to advanced jet fighter, as long as Chinese can independently manufacture those things, the price will drop many times all of a sudden. Chinese people are happy with the "penny profit" they made from hardworking, whether it is from "selling high-tech product" or 50 cents per unit iPod assembly line. Chinese people has contributed a great deal to this world by making it running more efficiently. The Chinese strategy is not trying aggressively to compete against US as the top super power. Their goal is to maintain enough capability at 10% of cost. I remember the Chinese manned space program took 10 years and only about 1 billion USD. Just try to compare it to the bonus pool of Goldman Sachs. As the J20, I am not expert of jet fighters. But from what I heard both the aerodynamic shapes and avionics are more advanced than any existing design. Who did Chinese copy those things from?
After that incident i always found it odd how the media reacted to such things. The media never reported on just how blatant the strike was. Instead the main stories been reported around the time were "attacks on US nationals increase" as various Chinese protest groups vented their anger on American government buildings around the world. Essentially the reports were made to make the Chinese look bad.
Now it's obvious that Chinese media is a complete farce. It's state controlled and blatantly so. But i also have to wonder if our western media isn't exactly the same but just smarter about it? Sure it isn't blatant like Pravda or China Daily but our western media still seems to reach for the same goals as Pravda and China Daily would. From getting people behind support of a war to excusing completely unjustifiable actions. Our media seems no better, just smarter and less blatant. Probably makes our media more dangerous than theirs to be honest.
Similar things happened in the Hainan Island spy plane incident. The Chinese returned the crew in perfect health and the also spy plane to the US but they were the bad guys according to the media i'm exposed to. I really don't get our media. I'm sure if the roles were reversed China would still be made out to be the bad guys.
Yet again the same thing with the Iraq war. There were never any links to Al-Qaeda. No WMDs. But our media didn't even report that as a possibility in the lead up to war.
The F-117 is 25-30 year old technology at this point. I would be more worried about the tech being freely handed over to China by companies like Boeing when they go into partnerships with Chinese state owned firms.
It must have not been that good in the first place.....
If there's anything I've learned from Mythbusters, it's that explosives do not make things disappear... Explosives simply turn stuff into smaller stuff and spread it around.
There's nothing stealthy about a plane that's painted like its going to hide behind bushes.
paint them fucking white, like clouds n shit.
and they copy stuff just like how they cheat on tests and work in class.
From WND...
The reason for the accelerated pace at which the Chinese have developed the stealth J-20 is due to critical U.S. technology transfers through joint ventures with BP America in precursors and resins; Hexcel in pre-impregnated composite fiber technology; and Sikorsky in the manufacture, layup, shaping and know-how.
Read more: Where did that come from? http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=252165#ixzz1C0U76khs
What exactly is the basis for these claims that the tech is stolen and they cant do it on their own?
The fact that China is not a major exporter of aircraft, particularly of the cutting edge military variety. The fact that they don't even produce a 4th generation fighter of their own design (most of their fighters are copied/adapted from Russian designs) and suddenly they unveil this supposed 5th generation fighter supposedly without any foreign technology. Major leaps in technology like that generally do not happen without some help. The Chinese are smart people but development of that kind of technology takes time and infrastructure neither of which seem to be applicable here. It's not that they couldn't do it; it's just that it is unlikely that the could do it that fast without getting a little boost on the information front.
Stealth has been around for a long time
No it hasn't and what has been around is among the more highly guarded secrets among the military forces that have access to it.
Chinese may well have found a way to do it.
Certainly possible, though the smart money says that they probably acquired significant amounts of knowledge through spying. Please note that this isn't a condemnation, every country spies including the US. China acquiring this technology illicitly seems the most likely source.
there have been a lot of Chinese researchers in the US, they may not have worked directly on the projects, but definitely there must be many who worked on relevant projects, and nothing is stopping them from taking the knowledge back to their country with them.
You think the defense industry isn't aware of that possibility? I've been in factories where they make fighter jets. Foreign nationals are quite carefully monitored and aren't given access to sensitive technology without some very careful background screening.
The fun part of looking at other people's tech is figuring out how different cultural traditions might contribute to the product.
We do know that large graphite composite surfaces are being built for Boeing in China - from all the delays to the Dreamliner program because of ever so slightly incompatible tail components that took forever to get right - long enough to get all the right answers of course.
So just imagine what if carbon composites weren't available to Chinese aerospace designers:
1. Brocade silk cloth for wing surfaces in bright red and gold patterns?
2. Laminated bamboo airframes and bamboo tubing for hydraulic controls powered with mountain spring water?
3. Fly-by-wire-and-abacus-bead flight deck computers?
4. Rice paper display surfaces with mah-jong tiled control buttons?
5. Black powder rocket assist JATO launch systems?
6. Cricket-powered in-flight entertainment systems?
Aw, heck, been there and done that over a thousand years ago during the Qing Dynasty.
On the other hand, the forward canard wings - double delta main wings - rear tails and elevators - and the vectored thrust components - one could say that the design does resemble the latest Russian Sukhoi fighter more than anything we are building. The airframe length gives away the likely turbine power plant specs - and the bet is the prototype is more designed for high-G combat flight during extended patrol missions - and not as a tactical stealth fighter-bomber for really tight low-altitude missions against Soviet-era anti-aircraft radar surface-to-air missile installations. The big Lexan cockpit bubble tells you that - since that would be useless protection against ground-based canon fire.
The other dead giveaway is the bloody big nose on the fuselage: That is large enough for an old-style air-to-air targeting radar which isn't very stealthy at all. It tends to look like a honking lighthouse in the radar spectrum when they turn that baby on.
In any case, if we really want to know what's in the bird, we just have to put a classified ad up on Craigslist for an unhappy pilot with marriage problems to fly the bird to Alaska for a debrief and a nice big red envelope and keys to a ranch in Montana. (Some guys prefer sheep after a Chinese-styled marriage.)
Either that, or just have a neutral country buy a few for disassembly and ship to Nevada for flight test where the rest of the current MIGs and Sukhois are flying.
Then again, like the light cavalry, manned combat flight is really an affectation of national pride: Manned flight has no place in a fight against hordes of Cylon powered UAVs.
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Here's an american who leaked info to China...
http://www.mauinews.com/page/content.detail/id/545413.html
I live very close to this guys mansion and let me tell you, he was living in quite the place before he got caught.
Air Power Australia has excellent coverage of the J-20.
Chengdu J-XX [J-20] Stealth Fighter Prototype: A Preliminary Assessment
J-20 Stealth Fighter: China's First Strike Weapon
And if you want to know why scrapping the F-22 was a bad idea and why the F-35 won't cut it in future conflicts, read this: Surviving the Modern
Integrated Air Defence System
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:) OK, so when Australia and the US do their little war games (Aussies 1, US 0), China pops its sub up between our ships, Radios "howdy ho" and then dissapears just as quietly as it appeared, we think "they" steal our secrets? Come on! Stop taking a dump on a super power who can take a dump on us.
The US military budget counts production costs including labor at US rates, Chinese budget at much smaller Chinese rates, which are largely decided by government intervention and oppression. Not only that, the exchange rate of yuan to US dollar is set by the Chinese government, not markets. On top of that, the Chinese methodology for computing it is different from what's used in the US and specifically geared to show "peaceful intentions" of China for propaganda purposes. In reality, the number of people and organizations working on the Chinese military effort is likely much larger than reported.
The USSR did the same, and managed to fool those Westerners who chose to be fooled by the never-ending "Soviet peace initiatives", even after the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.
Corruption and inefficiency within the US system is real, but it is naive to believe that other bloated, centralized governments do much better, despite executing dozens of officials annually. The USSR tanked because they had nothing but centralized government control of economy and an aging, declining population due to 70+ years of at first brutal Communism, then Socialism. China is doing much better because they allowed about 50% of their economy to operate in semi-private manner and attract Western technology at rates that the USSR only managed in 1930s (by robbing and starving their own population). Still, their economic model is neither palatable nor sustainable.
It's a prototype or technology testbed. I wouldn't be surprised to see the J-21 (or whatever they decide to call the next prototype) feature Chinese designed vector thrust engines with more power when they can get them figured out and to improve dramatically on its stealth capabilities.
The aircraft is quite big, so I'm not sure its truly a fighter as some sort of attack aircraft. In that role it can be argued that provided the front stealth technology is good it doesn't matter how bad the RCS is when it is leaving the combat zone.
Whilst I'm sure there may be an element of truth in the claims that the Chinese and Russians wanted bits of the F-117, its hardly news. The US has repeatedly used stuff from Russian aircraft that have landed in the West(or Japan) when their pilots wanted to defect, so there's hardly anything surprising about the Chinese wanting to analyse fragments of the downed US aircraft.
I don't think that they used much of the F-117 tech in the J-20 though - it looks like a sort of Eurofighter combined with an F-22.
What also surprises me is why everyone seems to think the Chinese aren't capable of doing this on their own - thousands of engineers who were taught in western Univercities have graduated, returned to China, and some are no doubt applying their skills in the military avionics fields. I also would not be surprised if leading Chinese universities produce graduates and phd students equal to the best the west can offer
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You're surprised Americans do not want to hear about poor little Chinese spies being bombed for attempting to steal American tech in a way that makes America the bad guy?
How is that post interesting??
So, go back to the older version. There's an option in preferences somewhere. I hated the new comment system too. Funny how /. sent me an e-mail, with an link(?) [can't remember], a few months ago on why I was still using the old one. :P
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I would say that this is because of capitalism, not state control. The media doesn't make much money by upsetting the status quo, especially since the media is owned by the status quo. If you follow the same pattern of reporting everyone else does, you still get stories run, still get paid, but you don't scare off advertisers. Even Fox sticks to the same topics as every other news organization, it just puts a different spin on it. The only news organization that strays from "America's current hot subject" is NPR, and they never report on anything really important.
Of course, even the web isn't immune to this. Slashdot talks about the same things as every other tech news site - right now, it seems to be the Google CEO changeup, a few days ago it was the iPhone screw "controversy". Even the periodic activity of DRM protests seems to be coordinated between all the sites. There's really no difference in actual news content anymore - the only reason to pick one over another is the spin, or (for websites) the comments.
All I can say about the headline is Duh!
Have the Chinese invented anything themselves since fireworks and noodles?
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
But i also have to wonder if our western media isn't exactly the same but just smarter about it?
To be fair, you wont get locked up in the US for doing a piece on Tienanmen square.
You seem to have figured it all out; the question is, how long did it take you? :p
Seriously though, there've been rumors for decades that the CIA has plants throughout the mainstream media, subtly influencing what does and doesn't get coverage and of course how. If we're willing to connect the dots, it becomes almost mindnumbingly obvious that this would have to be the case. As for Chinese media, definitely simpler, cruder and perhaps more obvious, but... whatever works, right?
Then you're not using a powerful enough explosive. Once the size of that "smaller stuff" reaches dust particles, it's effectively unrecoverable.
>similar things happened in the Hainan Island spy plane incident.
You mean that time when they forced Americans flying in international airspace to land in China or be shot down, thus committing an act of war? After that shitty Chinese fighter pilot ran into their big slow elint plane?
That incident?
I suppose you have a point, after all, the Americans were returned without have been given forced abortions.
The latest Slashdot meme.
That's because patriotism sells. And blaming others, especially your upcoming rival, makes your audience subtly liken you more.
Chinese used to think they were the greatest civilization and rejected learning from outside since 1700's. In the last 30 years, they have awaken, and they have started openly criticizing their own ways and greedily learn what are the best of external worlds.
Whereas we have started becoming the China in the Qing dynasty, the nation as a whole is brainwashed with our self-promoting values like democracy and think we are the best and the most positive force in the world. Til today after the Great Recession, we still refuse to accept the ideas that there could be some fundamental flaws in our system. After all, our democratic system has its own big share of responsibility in the many problems we have today and it also helped bringing up the new "Chinese empire" 30 years ago, If the system were perfect, why wouldn't such severe errors be made and persisted for so long.
Like the man said. His finger slipped on the trigger, 5 times. It can happen. ;)
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If the F-22 vector thrust nozzle is so advantageous, somebody didn't get the memo on the F-35 team.
I'm no aerospace engineer but is a hinged rectangular nozzle all that difficult for the Chinese to knockoff?
How many the chinese can produce of those ? It does not need to be *better* or *equal* to the USAF best fighter or bomber, it only just need to be good enough to make up the technological difference with the numbers. Furthermore the other details you mentionned are *researchable* the USA advance in that tech is not something which could not be found by chinese researcher, and they seem certainly one step less complicated than stealth material.
Just who do you think you are Noam Chomsky?
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I was told India was going to be the next superpower.
Looks like I'm going to lose my shirt with my portfolio of New Delhi Curry LLC.
Yeah, just like the "liberal media" universally condemned our ginned-up involvement in the Iraqi War, part II. In fact, the White House term for the "liberal media" and their "military consultants" was "message force multipliers."
Truth, Justice. Or the American Way.
But i also have to wonder if our western media isn't exactly the same but just smarter about it?
REALLY?! you're only just starting to wonder whether the media has an agenda to push a certain view on the sheeple? REALLY?!
Who else besides the NSA and most of Congress believes The Yellow Peril is incapable of rational thought, except when necessary to depict People With Brains in television commercials?
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Then a lot of brains start to think how to overcome it and statistics says:
the more people think about it the more probable is it that a defense can be found.
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SunTzu said: the best general does not have to fight because his enemies know they will be defeated.
Now it's obvious that Chinese media is a complete farce. It's state controlled and blatantly so. But i also have to wonder if our western media isn't exactly the same but just smarter about it? Sure it isn't blatant like Pravda or China Daily but our western media still seems to reach for the same goals as Pravda and China Daily would. From getting people behind support of a war to excusing completely unjustifiable actions. Our media seems no better, just smarter and less blatant. Probably makes our media more dangerous than theirs to be honest.
Why is it obvious that the Chinese media is a complete farce? Have you ever read the chinese media? Or did you come to your conclusion based on what you read in the western media (which according to you, might also be a complete farce) Maybe the chinese media is slicker at propaganda than you think and their readers think that the western media is the real farce.
How the media reported that incident depended highly on the country you were living in. It was hard to believe that they hit the wrong building because they had wrong maps. As everyone knows were the embassy was. However, it was unkown to me that this could be in relationship to the crashed plane. It was rather considered that the US was upset on other Chinese reactions to the Yugoslavia war.
All they had to do was look on wikipedia The Horton 229 and take it from there...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horton_229
No doubt this means the US will be stealing Serbian RADAR tech in order to defeat the Chinese stealth fighter.
So what you're saying is that we should nuke the site from orbit?
That could just as well have been a strike meant to punish China for providing help (as in any kind of military help such as intelligence, technology, etc) to Serbia during the war.
Well, if the US had DRM-ed its stealth technology, Chinese hackers wouldn't have been able to copy and reverse-engineer it. And if the US had patented stealth tech, the US could now sue the Chinese for patent infringement of its tech, and China would have willfully complied, right? Right? At least according to Congress & Co., staunch believers of the so called "intellectual property" concept. Too bad that DRM doesn't work, and that patents require full disclosure... and that the whole legal mumbo-jumbo regarding I.P. requires willing participants and an enforcing global government.
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Having secret friends who are public enemies is nothing new, or even all that rare. In fact some politicians who were in the habit of regularly denouncing the US got outed as collaborators with US diplomats in the Wikileaks cables. Politicians of many countries were found to have espoused ideas in private that run counter to the statements that they make to their own public.
What would we do to a politician who was found to be secretly in talks with the Chinese, praising the Chinese and their actions, while publicly denouncing those same actions, To the people who elected him?
I guarantee he would be, at the very least, asked to resign. It wouldn't just be Faux News who was dragging his name through the mud either.
"I opened my eyes, and everything went dark again"
You won't get locked up in China for leaking US Embassy memos either, so it's not really a fair comparison.
I'm Croatian, and I'd take anything Davor Domazet-Loso says with a mountain of salt, him being a war criminal, right wing extremist and a crackpot. But don't take my word on it! I just want to say that he's a VERY unreliable source.
The long wavelength radar was operating in basically doppler weather radar mode. You can see the air turbulence behind any stealth fighter operating at relatively low altitude. At high altitude, the air is thinner and paints a less clear turbulence picture to the surface radar and the turbulence in the air between will mask its signature. State of the art modern radar can probably see stealth aircraft--Thales advertises a radar claimed to be able to see stealth aircraft at 79 miles.
I think that may have been the point. By using the media intelligently the requirement for locking people up is reduced.
It's the only way to be sure
At 80,000lbs, it is definitely an interceptor. Designed to engage bombers and AWACS without having to ram them.
Anyone else now wondering if this was an accident? Hmmm
No he means when the Americans violated Chinese law by flying a spy plane into a PRC exclusive economic zone as defined by the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea which has been ratified by 160 countries - but not the US.
Claiming that you haven't violated international law because you're one of the few that hasn't signed up to it is the sort of tactic that N. Korea and Iraq have been called out for - but it is becoming more common to hear it from the US as well, sadly.
Hey, it's an American news company. Just loop the video and report the same thing over and over again. The civilians and wreckage will be long gone but everyone will still be dancing on TV.
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it is also unclear whether F-22 price tag matches its combat performance
Exactly how does a comparison of operational performance between the J-20 and F-22 have anything to do with the cost vs operation performance of the F-22? Yes the F-22 an extremely expensive weapons platform and I agree it isn't at all clear that the F-22 optimizes bang for the buck (pun slightly intended). That has nothing to do with whether the J-20 can match the performance of the F-22.
Each F-22 is itself an AWACS. So if you have 20 F-22s and 2 AWACS in the theater, you have to kill all 22 of those aircraft to take out AWACS capability. It's not just a matter of chasing off a couple of 707s.
The fundamental basis for U.S. air superiority is not stealth, it is superior data collection and management. That is what the F-22 does better than any other fighter in the world.
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'At the time, our intelligence reports told of Chinese agents crisscrossing the region where the F-117 disintegrated, buying up parts of the plane from local farmers,"
Shouldn't we (the US) have been in on th bidding for these parts? It annoys me that we spend billions and billions, and then let our enemies toss around pocket change to defeat us.
Is there any particular reason we haven't bought up the entire Afghanistan poppy harvest every year, besides stupidity? How about we buy up the cocaine harvests from farmers across South America? (If you feel you must keep adults from putting things in their own bodies)
You're right, your comparison isn't fair. Poor analogy.
Maybe you should actually read that convention. It doesn't give China full sovereign rights.
Or not.