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Alaska Must Release Palin E-mails By May
An anonymous reader writes with this excerpt from msnbc.com:
"The state of Alaska has until May 31 to release about 25,000 pages of e-mails from former Gov. Sarah Palin and senior members of her administration, the state attorney general declared Wednesday. ... the delays in dealing with public records from the Palin administration will have stretched out longer than the Palin administration itself. She was governor for 966 days. By May 31, the request from msnbc.com for the official records will be 986 days old. State regulations usually require records to be made available within 10 days, but state officials said they were overwhelmed by the volume of the e-mails."
News for nerds, stuff that matters.
Oh, no! They have only until May 31st to deliver 25,000 pages of e-mails to the metaphorical shredder? What ever will they do?!? /humor
Seriously, though, any chance that they're poking through those e-mails more and reading them more carefully than they did when they were originally written/read, and "shredding" those e-mails which make Sarah Palin look like even more air-headed? Either way, I highly doubt the lengthy delay in release of these records is due to anything other than a PR spring cleaning for her almighty. As it stands, they should be able to suppress quite a bit of them, anyway.
How easy is it for a government official to get away with erasing documents of this nature? I would like to assume there are adequate data-retention policies in place to make this exceedingly difficult, but who knows..
vos nescitis quicquam, nec cogitatis quia expedit nobis ut unus moriatur homo pro populo et non tota gens pereat.
It's all lolcats and forwarded emails from people who swore they received checks from Microsoft, sprinkled with the occasional note to the president (at the time) somewhere along the lines of,
"Do you like me? Check one:
-Yes
-No
-Maybe"
"You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake."...Tyler Durden
Can't they just get them from Wikileaks?
Overwhelmed? They really must try to come up with better BS than that. Even princess half-term can spout off more believable nonsense.
I am becoming gerund, destroyer of verbs.
Openleaks! To! The! Rescue!
Would actually make a great soft-pitch, first at-bat for the start-up. Would be refreshing to see what these celebrity politicians really say and think... You know, without the cameras and the scripts.
Imagination drew in bold strokes, instantly serving hopes and fears, while knowledge advanced by slow increments...
Just add a colon and it becomes a more interesting story..."Alaska Must Release Palin: E-mails by May"
So the kid who guesses her security questions with answers that were guessable based on her Wikipedia profile gets hard time for posting her private emails online (not to mention that she used her private account for some work emails as well allegedly), all the while Palin Inc. LTD LLC is taking its sweet time releasing the actual campaign emails because I'm guessing (this is pure speculation) that there is content in there that the GOP is afraid the Palinites won't cherish dearly.
I hope she runs for office, and is put to shame at the ballot box. I am so sick of hearing about this washed up nobody anti-intellectual and her following of people who have been fleeced by her PR handlers into thinking she actually has the mental cahones of more than a donut.
'We are trying to prove ourselves wrong as quickly as possible, because only in that way can we find progress.' RPF
Yea because seeing the gov's email admins not being able to export 25,000 pages of email ( probably less than 25,000 emails ) isnt news worthy?
I can understand if some info has to be redacted or filtered for confidential info but that is quite a long time to be sitting on someones task list.
Also who picks up the tab for having this data made available?
Well, we don't like Democrats either, by-and-large. If it was a prominent Democrat whose office had been spending years scrubbing emails subject to a state equivalent of FOIA, it would be news also.
Your attempt to derail the conversation with "B-b-b-ut this is biased against Republicans" has nothing to do with the FACT that this is about Sarah Palin's governance of Alaska, and potential misuse of government communications channels. It has nothing to do with whether people on slashdot lean right or left. So drop your silly persecution complex, it adds nothing to the conversation other than the idea that conservatives have no possibly valid points other than how much they are discriminated against.
And FWIW, I see conservative viewpoints, when expressed clearly, modded up all the time here on slashdot. I see the same of liberal viewpoints. What cracks me up is how often conservative viewpoints are modded up right alongside a post complaining of slashdot bias against conservatives.
Let's face it... Palin is a divisive subject, but given her power as a public figure, she's worthy of discussion -- for what she has to say, for what she has done, and for what impact she has on the American political scene. I believe she's a greedy, selfish, uneducated, calculating, egotistical nightmare... but I don't let that get in the way of my recognition of her importance as a topic of discussion in general.
"Trolls they were, but filled with the evil will of their master: a fell race..." -- J.R.R. Tolkien on Olog-hai
Actually I'm surprised Sarah used a public e-mail account while the Gov of Alaska...I would have thought she would have subscribed to the George W. Bush school of...wait did Bush go to school?
Seriously, what's the problem with running a search on the 'From:'?
At 986 days we're talking about processing at a rate of twenty-five emails a day.
you are aware that Palin was completely corrupt and is a total idiot right? DO you really think someone who received a communications degree after transferring universities 5 times and thinks a baby gate can keep boys out of her daughter's room is smart?
Do you really think someone who gets to be Governor of one of the states in the US and become the de facto leader of a multi-million person movement is "a total idiot"? Are YOU really that downright fucking stupid?
No wait - hold that. Please don't fuck. We don't need morons like you reproducing.
I may not agree with Sarah Palin, but I don't subscribe for one moment the arrogant, imbecilic, and self-serving belief that she's stupid. One would have to be as dumb as a post to think that.
What can really happen if she doesn't release the emails?
Thought these were already public thanks to a now-incarcerated /b/tard.
We need the emails because Sarah Palin instigates the same morbid fascination that a train wreck does. We need to know why she's so damn stupid.
The only person stupider than her is Michele Bachmann, who isn't even bright enough to look into the network cameras and thinks that John Quincy Adams "worked tirelessly until slavery was ended"
I think Republicans in general are cool and "don't afraid of anything" but the Teabagger Base (use your fundament, baby) is odious, despicable, and one misfired suicide bomber from being American Taliban.
"Spiritual Warriors" - pfui.
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BMO
P.S. Palin/Bachmann 2012 - to immanentize the Eschaton.
Well, they have to redact all of the "state secrets"... after all, Alaska is our first line of defense against invasion from Russia!
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
Do you really think that no elected officials are idiots? What faith you have in government! Do you think that a movement of morons can not be lead by a moron? Why not? History holds plenty of examples of the dumb leading the stupid.
- None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
You might read that subject line and go "wait, that's totally impossible! A populist is someone who believes in power of the people for the people and a plutocrat is someone who believes in the power of the rich and wealthy, and those two just can't really mix". Except that they can. I would guess that Palin thinks she should be the rich and wealthy of the 'people' so she can then be more powerful, all of course 'for' those same people while being a part of them. The pretext for this sort of situation would be that she is the one most qualified to wield the power for the people and hence deserves much of the wealth.
This is why she scares me. Because she thinks she's qualified to be that person, the Plutocrat amongst Populists, the Ideology Transcender, and I simply do not agree. Disclaimer: I live in Alaska.
I do not respond to cowards. Especially anonymous ones.
What consequences does the state of Alaska face if they aren't published by that date?
Actually I'm surprised Sarah used a public e-mail account while the Gov of Alaska...I would have thought she would have subscribed to the George W. Bush school of...wait did Bush go to school?
There were mentions that much of the govt business was indeed being done over private email accounts. And now all this scrubbing is just pointing more towards apparent destroying evidence of wrongdoing. Which is now even worse.
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Volumes of emails huh? 900 huh? Apparently Alaska doesn't have copy/paste functionality yet.
I mean, if it were any more, the whole Alaskan infrastructure would need to switch from punch cards to Microsoft Access.
Not much of a Green Acres fan, is he?
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visibility of ALL public government officials emails starting with Boehner and Pelosi. I dont care that much about crap from Alaska, but I do want to read what the people holding the real puppet strings are emailing about. Does MSNBC have the sack for that?
I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.
I am just personally tired both of Sarah Palin and of the left's hatred of her that borders on psychotic. She is a mediocre politician who would never be talked about if McCain didn't make a mistake of choosing her as his running mate.
Having said that, all the vitriol about her just doesn't make sense to me. Whenever I ask a liberal, who at the mention of the name starts foaming at the mouth and screaming something like "greedy, selfish, uneducated, calculating, egotistical nightmare" why exactly they hate her so much, I never get a satisfying answer. She misspoke a bunch of times but so has Obama and don't get me started on Biden. She is very conservative but there are plenty of male politicians who are more conservative than her and are not hated so much. It seems to be a pattern that any woman with strong political beliefs, particularly on conservative side, tends to bring out really deep hatred in both women and men who disagree with her politically.
Negative moral value of force outweighs the positive value of good intentions.
Is it just me, or in the "new layout" are comments seriously hidden if their parent isn't within the current threshold, but the child is? This comment contains a +5 child, but since it is under a troll-rated parent, I can't see it when browsing on a 5-2 threshold range. How does this stuff even make it to deployment?
'We are trying to prove ourselves wrong as quickly as possible, because only in that way can we find progress.' RPF
What cracks me up is how often conservative viewpoints are modded up right alongside a post complaining of slashdot bias against conservatives.
Actually, it's not just alongside. Surprisingly often it is the post complaining of Slashdot bias against conservatives that gets modded up.
This must be news on Slashdot. If it was for a predominant democrat. it would be less newsworthy. As probably just some crazy propaganda from Fox News.
Hmm... those slashdotters who are not biased, that's obviously not true for. Those of us who are biased think we have good reasons for said bias, and don't really care.
Yes, I dislike Palin already and most republicans. I don't know of a single democrat I'd want as president less than her. I make no apologies for that. She'd be a terrible president in my opinion. But that's beside the point in this case. What's the fucking holdup? The only e-mails to be released are the non-privileged ones:
""records that are not privileged" refers to the process, as allowed by law, for the state to withhold records, or parts of records, if release would violate privacy of individuals or meet other exemptions in the public records law. " She was the governor of Alaska. She doesn't have to scrub nuclear launch codes or the names of operatives in Afghanistan. As TFA says, this has been delayed longer than she was actually governor.
Either there's something in there that they don't want released, or someone is pointlessly impeding the public's right to open government. True I might care less if a democrat I trusted did it, but that doesn't change anything besides my interest level in the story. This is still unacceptable no matter what party she is.
Sorry . . . the first sentence above ("What cracks me up . . .") is a quote and should have been italicized. It doesn't show up that way in some browsers. I guess I should have used the "quote" tag instead.
Do you really think someone who gets to be Governor of one of the states in the US and become the de facto leader of a multi-million person movement is "a total idiot"?
Yeah, pretty much. Plenty of stupid people vote you know. Half the populace has an IQ less then 100.
I'm sorry if that sounds elitist, but anyone that would willingly want to put her in a place of political power is a bigger idiot then she is.
And WHY have I decided that she's an idiot?
Well, from every instance I've seen of her on television, most of her political decisions, and from a judgment of the crowd that supports her, both the general populace and individuals I've met and chatted with.
It could be that strong women engender more hatred. Or it could be that she really is a "greedy, selfish, uneducated, calculating, egotistical nightmare." She certainly seems greedy, look at her spending of campaign money. Selfish? Surely she has demonstrated that. Uneducated? By her own words, obviously so. Calculating? Okay, every politician is that. An egotistical nightmare? Look at this very story and tell me she isn't!
Perhaps people despise her because they feel that her brand of political discourse is damaging to the country. Perhaps they feel it is unfair that someone like her can become a millionaire, a governor, a candidate for vice president, and a well paid political consultant without having any of the skills or qualities usually required by those jobs. She is just one more piece of evidence that we do not live in anything even resembling a meritocracy, and that galls some people.
- None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
Persecution complexes and other paranoid delusions are rarely rational.
- None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
I know that /. is full of cynical and borderline paranoids, but really. Think about this for a second...
/., don't be so quick to see a conspiracy, when idiocy and ineptitude are so much more likely.
There there is probably one state IT guy that this got dumped on. Being that he is a state employee in IT, he probably has plenty of other shit to do, and picking through 25k email is a huge time sink. It will need to be evaluated, because a Governor could be, in theory, privy to sensitive material. So, he will probably catch hell if a missed sensitive e-mail goes out, especially in light of the whole wiki leaks thing.
In addition, there is probably a clause that says personal mail doesn't have to be released, and so he has to pick through this idiot woman's mad rambling about pointless shit that shouldn't be on a state mail server anyway. I don't envy the people who have to pick through all the e-mail that is out there when information requests come in.
But in general
HA! I just wasted some of your bandwidth with a frivolous sig!
Well, Bachman was looking into the cameras of the group that sponsored her, the Tea Party. Let's not even talk about where she was looking, it distracts from the stupid that came out of her mouth. And Palin had her own gaffe, she had no idea what "sputnik moment" meant, and attributed the collapse of the Soviet Union to sputnik. Seriously. She thought "sputnik moment" refereed to the launching of sputnik, rather than our response to the launching of sputnik. And she thought that launching it was what bankrupted them, so having another "sputnik moment" would be a bad thing.
- None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
As a friend mentioned during a FOIA discussion, it's easy to do a Meat-space Denial of Service on a public entity by requesting "all of X" records, and forcing them to go through and redact. It's even worse when they ask for "all of X" where X is a department in NASA with highly trained people, like engineers or scientists. And they have to redact it instead of letting some bureaucrat decide what should be included. Just imagine a case like this where everyone and their mother did a FOIA request. It's a DMsDoS!
What galls me is that people are stupid and mentally lazy. Stupid and lazy enough to fall for her schtick. I know it shouldn't bother me that a lot of people are idiots; for some reason it just irritates the crap out of me.
It's not that I think conservatives are idiots because of their political views. Surely it must be possible to have conservative views without being an idiot. It just seems that the willfully ignorant followers of demagogues are just too legion for this nation to withstand.
Another reason I get irritated by Palin and her ilk is because I believe I have the ability to do EXACTLY what they do. And that I could be very successful at it. But I can't do it, because I believe it is immoral. So I guess the real reason I despise Palin et al is because I think they made an immoral personal choice to exploit others, and are therefore, to a certain extent, evil. And deep down, I'd like to believe that the good should win. Yeah, it's an idealistic hope... which is why I've turned into a cynic. I hate Palin, Bush, Reagan's puppetmasters, et al for turning me into one.
And that, my friend, is the end of the navel-gazing I'll do tonight.
"Trolls they were, but filled with the evil will of their master: a fell race..." -- J.R.R. Tolkien on Olog-hai
Its not just you. The +5 child post is only visible if the parent is not abbreviated. I want to see ALL posts, with low-rated posted abbreviated, as per my comment settings. I've tried to be open to change, but I am really starting to dislike the recent 'upgrade'!
In theory, there's no difference between theory and practice; in practice there is.
Well, greedy, selfish and egotistical more or less amount to the same thing, looking at her own self interests above anything else. I am not really sure about the evidence that this is the case with her to an unusual degree, but it might be. The same is true about most politicians, actually people in general. Same with calculating. Uneducated. Well, we all know there are many successful people without much formal education. The first thing I look for in a politician is where they stand on issues, how they have voted in the past and will likely vote in the future, not so much if they are nice people. Part of me is annoyed by the treatment she gets because it seems unfair, and part of me is just annoyed that she is kept in the spotlight and made to look like a victim which might only increase her support.
Negative moral value of force outweighs the positive value of good intentions.
Because I believe she's not qualified to be a good leader of people. Because she's a demagogue out to serve her own ends.
She is very conservative but there are plenty of male politicians who are more conservative than her and are not hated so much.
It has nothing to do with how conservative she is. It has to do with her immorality. Please see my post below (in response to a post by Spun) for a little more info on why I feel the way I do about her.
The fact that so many people fawn over her is why people who don't like her need to react strongly. She is an abhorrence on the idea of a well-qualified statesman serving their country for what is best for that country.
"Trolls they were, but filled with the evil will of their master: a fell race..." -- J.R.R. Tolkien on Olog-hai
What can really happen if she doesn't release the emails?
Using the pronoun "she" to refer to the State of Alaska is somewhat unusual.
The only person stupider than her is Michele Bachmann, who isn't even bright enough to look into the network cameras
You deserve your Troll rating just for this comment. Michele Bachmann looked into the appropriate camera. Just because CNN/MSNBC didn't pony up for a feed off that camera doesn't mean she's dumb.
http://www.startribune.com/politics/blogs/114802314.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUnciaec8O7EyUsl
Don't count out the quality of the staff. I've seen some elected officials that are indistinguishable from rocks with staffs that can get anything done.
Looks to me like this is correct, and this would be a major and unnannounced change to slashdot
I'm a dreamer, the world is my playpen. But hey, I'm a serious person, I can't dream all the time.
1) All government emails are released regardless; except security issues which are DELAYED x years
2) All private emails are recorded solely for litigation and archival purposes.
3) use private emails for government business is prohibited and punishable by mandatory JAIL TIME upon completion of the job. Yes, I think every gov should spend a week in jail for their mistakes... but the number grows rapidly as the infraction count gets higher!
Idiocy and ineptitude are the easiest defense and with so many sympathetic people (who understand ineptitude...) there are hardly any consequences for unintentional acts. Kill somebody with a DWI and you get extra punishment simply because it otherwise you could kill people easily by just getting a little drunk (well some people would have trouble at that level while others are minimally impacted by the DWI alcohol levels.) Seems to me that similar measures should be applied in other areas.
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Under the same law, how about we ask for visibility of ALL public government officials emails starting with Boehner and Pelosi.
Because the "same law" would be an Alaska state law that only applies to agencies and officials of the State of Alaska, and neither Boehner nor Pelosi (at least not the Boehner and Pelosi I would think you are referring to) are employed by any agency of the State of Alaska.
The psychotic rants from Sarah Palin are already LOL-worthy
Now, when you calm down and come out of left-vs-right land, do realize that the vast majority of politicos suckle the tit of the corporations and do not work for you. Not left-or-right, just a collective them screwing you. The 'poor-progressives' are no worse than the 'evil-neocons'. They are the same turd, one wrapped in handouts and sunshine paper, while the other is wrapped in American flags and chest-thumping. But still turds.
'We are trying to prove ourselves wrong as quickly as possible, because only in that way can we find progress.' RPF
c'mon Alaska! there has to be someone who can send this to Julien Assange pronto.
there's no place like ~
I think it is funny how whenever Palin's name is mentioned both the left and the right start barking like crazy rabid dogs..
Of course if the Left didn't hiss like vampires hiss at people holding crucifixes and would just ignore her inane ramblings the right wouldn't be so fired up about her and we would all remember he like we Remember the the GOP VP candidate in 1996, I don't even remember who was the Republican Vice President Candidate in 1996, I remember the Old Geezer Bob Dole the viagra dude, but his running mate, no bloody idea, maybe he didn't even have one.....
Remember the old saying, "Any publicity is good publicity" well because the constant Palin hate the Liberals have make her into a superstar. If there had been a couple instances Palin Hatin' that occurred after the election and then let it die down we would be saying "Palin Who?". Even if the right brought her up here popularity would be where Newt Grinich's popularity would be and that is the crapper.
Of course the Left's Hatred of her is irrational and the Right's love of her while being just as irrational has a perfect partner in the whole irrationality of an intense Love/Hate relationship. Which is why she is so damned popular. If either side would simply "drop it" this paradigm would collapse and she would sink into obscurity where she belongs. Instead the left tends to make her their version of the devil even though most on the left don't believe in God, the Devil or Bob the Builder. And the right makes her into their version of Jesus in pumps holding a pump shotgun.
When people in the middle start seeing these completely overstated attacks they react how someone would to seeing someone bullied, they either feel pity for her, or they feel contempt for her. After a while of peeling off people in the middle to both sides and her popularity as either a target or a martyr starts snowballing. It doesn't help that she is an attention whore.
What is the worst thing that can happen to an attention whore? Ignore them.... They will go away... Eventually, of course the more attention you give them early on the longer and harder it is to ignore them so they will go away.
I can't blame the backwards Republitards for liking her because she is the cleaned up version of inbred hillbilly folk.
But the Democrats should know better and hold themselves to a higher standard when it comes to hating her and simply be dismissive and ignore her like the inconsequential fool she is.
If by some sorta Beverly Hillbilly Miracle she gets elected President in 2012, I guess we can either Blame the Mayans for their doomsday prophecy or the dumb ass celebrity obsessed media of the left who have been feeding her attention ever since the day after the last election.
Tsukasa: All I really want, is to be left alone...
The e-mails themselves showed that Palin wasn't doing anything wrong and was using it for personal correspondence and not state business.
The Crazy Left hypothesized that she must have had ANOTHER secret e-mail address. ("She's Sarah Palin. Of course she's doing something wrong.")
The "hacker" was sentenced to a year in jail.
The "hacker's" father, Mike Kernell, D-93rd District, Tennessee House of Representatives, was re-elected in 2008 and 2010.
Yes if you ignore the fact Palin is a complete moron, has questionable ethics and she's a complete hypocrite (hand notes whilst mocking tele prompter use) and she's fake. I say she's fake because she doesn't always seem that at home with the rural life she portrays on her TV show and had at least one press release on the governor's site supporting something Democrats had done and it disappears the day it's found out she's McCain's running mate and she becomes some raging conservative. I think the fact her approval rating as a governor dropping considerably once she became famous shows she puts on an act either for her voters in Alaska or to the nation.
As a Republican I'd say she's fucking embarrassing. To the point even I'd register as an independent just to disassociate myself with anything to do with her if I was still living in the US.
She isn't the same person Alaska voted for. I suspect she BS'ed her way into convincing people she was something else. That explains the deletion of any content complimentary to democrats from the governor's site when becoming the VP candidate and it explains the huge drop from nearly 100% in her approval rating as she stepped into the national lime-light.
Intelligence has nothing to do with whether you can lead people. You have to be able to tell people what they want to hear. If, during an election, you were also given an army of people to train you so you don't look like a complete tit then all you have to be able to do is expand on your training.
If you had intelligence you wouldn't have to write such basic notes on your hand. It's not like she was writing deep insightful things she thought of. They were basic things she claims to believe in. Seriously someone who bangs on about tax and spend liberals needs a note reminding herself to talk about taxes? If you were intelligent or even if you had only average intelligence and you claim to read papers and then you're asked which papers it should be second nature to list them rather than not answer at all.
Why not just hire the kid that got into Palin's emails before???
FragHARD or don't frag at all
And WHY have I decided that she's an idiot?
I don't think Palin is an idiot. She may not be Nobel prize material but she has latched on to a fairly common gimmick for right wing politicians who want to appeal to stupid voters. Her stupid act is just a way of saying I'm just a normal person like you.
Two examples from my own country are Pauline Hanson and Joh Bjelke-Petersen. Its not a coincidence that both are from Queensland.
http://michaelsmith.id.au
Hat's off...best troll I've seen in a couple years.
So any word on that birth certificate?
You mean this one? That's been available for years.
But the idiots who are so convinced of the Kenya stupidity will just claim it's a fake (and they have). Hell, you could put them in a time machine, travel back to 1961 so they can witness the birth themselves, and they'll still be convinced that it's a scam. When people desperately want to believe something, all the facts in the world won't change their minds.
Not only that but the entire birth certificate thing has been debunked how many times now and people still try to bring that one up? Sheesh.
{Citations needed}
yeah but he hasn't really given us anything new lately, so we have to stick with the good old stuff. Maybe wikileaks will have something for next month.
Please admit why you want this "proof" - you really just want to see the presidential penis don't you?
Tough luck.
He's no Bill Clinton so it's not on display.
He'll keep it zipped and keep hiding "evidence".
I'm making fun of the people your statement reminds me of partly because it's all pointless and Bush should have shown you that nobody is going to be able to get rid of an incumbent president even if their own party see them as a massive liability. Also if there was anything in it we would have seen Hillary shouting it from the rooftops long before the end of the primaries. Just file it with the moon landing hoax conspiracy and move on.
"The reason, it appears, is that Bachmann delivered her speech to TeaPartyHD's camera"
That's straight from the article itself. Instead of an "address the nation" speech, it was "address my base" speech. Like I already said. It's not up to the networks to use the candidate's personal camera. That's how it's done. She should have been looking into the network cameras *like everybody else does.*
Her M.O. is not to be inclusive. Her M.O. is appeal to the gullible to extract as much cash as she can out of her "base." And her base is pretty stupid if they bought into a single word she said. The amount of stupidity that came out of her mouth is astounding for such a public figure. I live here in the Northeast where History is in my back yard. The insult to my intelligence that she perpetrated deserves all the scorn and ridicule I can dish up. Because she is that misinformed.
And don't even get me started on how the Tea Baggers and Far Right say that this is a "Christian" country, when the fucking Touro Synagogue is 20 miles from me. No. The far right and the Tea Baggers are FUCKING STUPID at best.
Burning Karma because I am mad at what these idiots have done to my country.
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Probably liked Mr Ed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism
I've seen bigger idiots become heads of whole countries, so yes, I'd deem that entirely possible. All it takes is the right people wanting the idiot in the hot seat and presto, you're in.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Look, I don't get it either, but hey, don't act like that ex-politician, ex-showbusinessperson, ex-celebrity going for new fame with being a loudmouth is limited to the US.
We're heading for Idiocracy. Globally. Watch TV, the new heroes are the idiots. From Homer Simpson to American Dad to Tim Taylor to Doug Heffernan. Just look from one TV show to the other (and I'm not even talking about "reality shows" like Super Nanny or Big Brother, which would probably be the pinnacle of idiot celebration), the new Hero is the idiot. And it's by no means limited to the US.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
With her, I'd prefer a stick of quality. Or a club. Or some other item that doubles as a LART.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Actually, my only problem with McCain as a potential president WAS Palin. He seemed quite decent, but his less than stellar health left the damocletean sword of him having to step down and letting her take over hanging over our heads.
And that was simply too big a risk to take.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
There are two kinds of people in the Palin camp who scare me. (1) The people who "fawn" over her. There are people like this in every camp, and they really need to wake up. (She does have more than her fair share, though...) (2) The people who rally behind her because they believe it would be best to have a female Republican president before Hilary gets there. They rarely say this out loud, of course.
The novelty vote (first black, first woman, etc) is destructive, but seems to be a driving force in politics right now. Personally, I want the first woman president to deserve it and serve capably and honestly. (and fiscally responsibly...)
I won't join Slashcott. OTOH, If Beta goes live, I just won't be back until it's fixed. Sorry Dice.
True, but for sane people they do usually have a basis in a persons upbringing, schooling, socializing, or other experiences.
The trick for all of us is to recognize where our own misplaced ideas are and where they came from. Not at all an easy task.
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I think Republicans in general are cool...
I don't, and I'm registered with them. They're just generally better than the other bad choices out there.
... and "don't afraid of anything"...
???
... but the Teabagger Base (use your fundament, baby) is odious, despicable, and one misfired suicide bomber from being American Taliban.
You've bought the media rhetoric. "The tea party" often refers to "The Tea Party Express", a minor offshoot of the larger movement, and one that has been annexed as an extension to the Republican party. Most of the "hate" that you see is either painstakingly sought out by the media, or fabricated by allies to the Democratic Party.
The tea party movement is nothing more than a loose coalition of groups that believe in lower taxes and cutting government waste. In other words, people fed up with politicians (mostly Republicans, in this case) never, ever delivering on campaign promises. I think most voters can empathize with that.
Oh, and any rally will bring out the loonies. They always do. You'll see it again among all parties when the presidential election comes full swing. (Well, you might or might not see it in the media. That will depend on the popular narrative at the time.)
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This must be news on Slashdot. If it was for a predominant democrat. it would be less newsworthy. As probably just some crazy propaganda from Fox News.
If she was a democrat, it would be considered less newsworthy. That is both true and unreasonable.
It doesn't change the fact that Palin is a terrible politician. (I lean towards inept, as opposed to corrupt.) It doesn't change the fact that there are people out there willing to cover for her when they should be looking for proverbial ammo.
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Make sure to give all Republican party members one of those ChromeOS laptops without the capslock key in future.
To prevent this day from getting worse, I'll just read ERROR as GOOD TH
Ah, that's different. The last one I saw had said "FEMALE" before it had been doctored. (Maybe it was a Republican ploy? I don't know.)
This one was clearly made using a computer, and not a typewriter. (examine the font; also, they didn't have Laser printers in 1961.) It doesn't mean that he wasn't born in Hawaii, but it isn't the original certification of live birth. That's not a big deal. Many people get replacement birth certificates. What I think people ought to have concentrated on are the registrar's records.
I think both sides of this topic are generally off base.
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You realize you're asking AC to cite references?
To get a general feel for the GP's point, start here.
(If you're in CA, you really should be listening anyways. If you're puritanical, be prepared to skip some hours. I do.)
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"Perhaps people despise her because they feel that her brand of political discourse is damaging to the country. " this
Maybe the emails will tell where Sarah hid Obamas birth Certificate? Or who REALLY was reponsible for the rescession, housing bubble burst AND most importantly WHO REALLY SHOT the CARIBOU!! LETS ALL IGNORE THE THIRD GOVERNMENT TO FALL TO MUSLIM EXTREMISTS SINCE B. HUSSEIN OBAMA BECAME "the first immigrant MUSLIM president" "Big Ears McChicken Legs" (AKA Obama) said his experience running a bussiness was his "Campaign".....I'd call it more of a reign of terror than a business. Sarah Palins family has several businesses, she has been a Community Prganizer (not a real job) Councilman, Mayor, Governor, Board Member, Vice Presidential Candidate, Fishery Owner, and Mom. Obama on the other hand, know one really knows where he went to school, or grew up. He "worked" for Tony Rezko (known criminal) was friends with Jeremy Ayers.
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C. Clarke
Indeed.
There are people I'm not sure if they're dumb or just pretending to be, like Bush. I'm basically convinced he's smarter than he seems to be. He might be intellectually lazy, but not stupid.
Palin, OTOH, really does seem stupid. Like you said, she apparently can't remember basic beliefs she supposedly has. And, yes, all politicians lie about holding those beliefs...but they can at least explain them to some extent.
If I were, literally, in Palin's shoes, I'd have the 'what percentage of people pay what percentage of taxes' misleading statistic, or a note to mention we have the highest corporate tax rate, (Also misleading) and stuff like that, written on my hand. That's the sort of stuff you put on a cheat sheet, not the fricking basic premise of your argument. '10% p 70% tx. Hgst corp tx', not 'Taxes bad, tree pretty.'
And I came up with those off the top of my head, from right-wing talking points I've argued against. Surely her team of advisers could have come up with better things.
And if she were of average intelligence even if she didn't read papers it should be easy enough to give them name of her local Alaska paper and the Washington Post or something. No one is going to quiz her on stories in the recent edition, and she could always say she's been busy traveling and hasn't been able to keep up.
She really doesn't seem smart enough to lie in a convincing way,and she's been caught doing some really dumb things that no one could possible think would benefit her.
Whereas the dumbest thing Bush ever did that wasn't scripted to make him a 'good ole boy' was trying to open doors that didn't open, which, let's face it, any of us could have done.
If corporations are people, aren't stockholders guilty of slavery?
You know, it's kind of silly to ask for citations when the post you're referring to mentions specific instances that can be easily searched for on Google.
Let him fucking google that for you, huh?
"You've bought the media rhetoric. "The tea party" often refers to "The Tea Party Express", a minor offshoot of the larger movement, "
It's not a "minor offshoot" when the Tea Party Express can dish out the money needed to support lunatics like Bachmann and that guy from New York that ran a whole county into the ground. The Tea Party Express is the one with the control. They're controlling the rhetoric and anyone else is lost in the noise. Why? Because money and power, that's why.
If you're a tea partier, I've got some news for you. You've been co-opted. This shouldn't be any big surprise.
You keep telling yourself that this is all grass-roots. Denial is a powerful emotion.
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You just ignored what I said, and repeated much the same thing. The Tea Party Express has money and power only because they were annexed by the Republican party. It is borrowed power. They have media attention because it "makes a better story". (Neither Republicans nor Democrats want real change; due to political cronies in the media, that idea is DOA.)
Many (most?) of the local rallies have not been co-opted, but the image of the tea party movement certainly has been.
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All right,
"state department american defeat korea" Zero meaningful matches on google. What was the GP talking about?
The media and the panic of crowds. The media blew the whole thing WAY out of proportion because there was little else to talk about, which paniced people too stupid to realize that nothing that effected them was really happening. The only reason the stock market effects anyone outside of New York and the wealthy is because people get scared, otherwise it means almost nothing. The recession didn't exist until the media told us it did and that it was scary and the worst since yesterday ... Then they managed to find some douche bags living in a tent city because they were too fucking stupid to move out of California or go to McDonalds and respond to the now hiring signs.
Mostly over paid idiots. Some of the over paid idiots worked at banks and lenders, allowing loans to be processed that even a 4 year old wouldn't have known not to allow. Some of the over paid idiots were the ones that paid 5 times more than a home was worth because it was in some expensive subdivision only to find out a year later that no one living there could afford their mortgages and oh yea ... its not worth what you paid for it so good luck selling it.
I did but it was 20 years ago, and we made sure to use all of the animal. No waste.
I don't really know if you're being funny or not, and I can't tell if you're for or against Obama since I can't figure out if you're being sarcastic but ... I could give a fuck what religion a country is really. I have a few muslim associates and you know what? They are just as likely to be nut jobs as the people I went to church with growing up. Religion doesn't define you as a fanatic, while its a common them for people to be religion fanatics, they aren't mutually inclusive. Fanatics are fanatics regardless of religion, and all religions have them, that includes the religion of 'science' ... where people get so fanatical about science that they actually get violent at people who are religious ... which is pretty common on slashdot.
Yes yes, but I was in clubs in high school that had more people in it than she had under her at any given point in time. Doesn't make her good or bad, but it just shows how meaningless that statement is. I've had a few jobs myself and the reason I don't have a couple of those jobs is because I sucked at them. Just naming jobs people have says nothing about the person unless you say they've only have ever had one job or they've had a new job every week of their life, in which case you can make a few safe bets about them but other than that, your list doesn't mean shit either way.
I used to work as a clerk in a store for one of my friends mom.
Turns out she was selling cocaine and pot right in front of me without me noticing, and the last time I saw her she was in a hurry out the door to deal with a family emergency ... which translated too ... she had to drive across town, severally beat a man, then throw him off a bridge to his death for somet
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Sounds like you grew up like the show "Weeds", wow din't know people were like that for real. We REALLY need a Border fence and a mote on the north and south borders. And Border guards that can shoot a dealer in the butt and not go to the Federal Slam, while the Dealer gets citizenship and a get out of jail free card. It isn't so much judging Obama, as there really is NOTHING to judge. He has LOCKED all information pertaining to his Birth, Dual Citizenship, travel while growing up, High School, where he went to College and who paid for it, and much of his private life, including why he has multiple social security numbers. Did you know that people in Iowa at a company which handles student loans were jailed for reading his information last year?? Look it up, really happened. Old adage to finding crime.....follow the money. If you do that with Barry, you find Anton "Tony" Rezko, Jeremy Ayers, and a host of other "baddies" that frankly WOULD throw you off a bridge (I live in Illinois trust me!) Sarah Palin on the other hand is not from the "lower 48" and does into share the criminal tendencies of the people in Organized Crime (AKA Politics). She should have been the top of the Republican ticket in 2008 (McCain dragged the party down) and she would have whooped Barry's butt!!! That is what the MEDIA and LIBS fear, this woman is like much of America, the 75% that are REALLY REALLY REALLY pissed off at the way the idiots in charge are ruining this country! This is only going to change if and when the government of this country starts listening to the people who pay the bills (no not the Chinese) the American People! 2012 is a coming, and the wave is building.
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C. Clarke
Your Google foo is weak. I guess he was talking about this. Mind you, I think it's a silly thing to get all worked up about, and I can't stand Palin, but that wasn't my point.
I don't think it's an act. Now, some of her mannerisms and terminology she uses could be with that whole "appealing to common folk" shtick in mind, but her overall platform, policies, and knee-jerk twitter reactions paint her as an idiot tried and true. A lot of people thought that Bush was simply putting on an act, that he wasn't really that much of an imbecile. But I don't buy that either.