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PlentyofFish Hacked, Founder Emails Hacker's Mom

hellkyng writes "The online dating site PlentyofFish was hacked, and purportedly 30 million customer records were stolen. The site's founder, Markus Frind, is blaming the security researcher who discovered the vulnerability and the journalist who confirmed the issue." The researcher who reported the vulnerability is Chris Russo, one of the guys who hacked The Pirate Bay last year. He explained his side of the story as well. Mr. Frind says he tracked down Russo's Facebook page and emailed his mom.

367 comments

  1. should not affect slashdot crowd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    should not affect slashdot crowd since they do not date.

    1. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by Lord+Ender · · Score: 5, Funny

      On the contrary, I recently experimented with online dating myself. In my experience, the site should actually be called "plenty of whales" though...

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    2. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1, Informative

      LOL parent +5 Informative

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    3. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by cayenne8 · · Score: 2

      "On the contrary, I recently experimented with online dating myself. In my experience, the site should actually be called "plenty of whales" though..."

      Yeah..I was looking on there the other day, and WOW...there are a lot of BIG women on there.

      Hard to find anything worth hitting on on POF.

      Frankly, I don't buy enough flour really to 'use' on those women I've seen on that site, and I tend to shop in bulk at Sam's clubs......

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    4. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by Nadaka · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You must have seen my little sisters profile, she will kill me if she know I was joking about her.

      She keeps telling me about how I can meet a nice girl there after breaking up with my whore ex.

      Right after she tells me about all the dirty old men, halfwits and creeps she has to filter through.

    5. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by EMR · · Score: 3, Funny

      When I first saw the site, I thought it was Plenty Offish :-D

    6. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by DarkIye · · Score: 1

      Ha ha ha, ha ha ha, ha ha FUCKING HA.

    7. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      My wife and I met via online personals. She was telling me that about 95% of the emails she got were from men with user ID's along the lines of "Bigpenis69" and "Bigstud72" and the like. That's the reason why she even talked to me, because I didn't have a name that was in any way reflecting my supposed virility. I have no trouble believing that most of your sister's replies come from old, creepy dudes.

      Also, regarding the "plenty of whales" comment above... it amuses me to no end that many lonely geeks and nerds will judge less attractive women to be not worth asking out, only to turn around and moan and whine when attractive women use the same methods to exclude them from consideration.
      Q: "Why don't pretty women like me?"
      A: Because they're just as shallow as you are and judge as much by appearance as you do.

    8. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right after she tells me about all the dirty old men, halfwits and creeps she has to filter through.

      LMAO -- Apparently /. users do troll PoF afterall!

      -AC

    9. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2

      Being pretty or not has little to do with how much weight you choose to carry. I have seen so many lovely women - from the neck up. From the neck down it's a disaster area. If she only weighed 130 instead of 250, she's be perfect.

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    10. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A woman who is simply plain has no control over her appearance and I would happily go out with one of them if we got along. A woman who is fat has total control over her weight and anyone who says otherwise is full of crap. The problem with the fat woman is not only is she unattractive, but she's unhealthy, probably has poor hygiene and can make you fat as well.

      Aside from that, the problem with most guys here is probably not how they look, but how they act. Most women, beautiful or not, don't care what a guy looks like. Shallow ones might like money, but the non-shallow ones (yes, there are single beautiful, non-shallow and intelligent women out there) will like a guy with a good personality and sense of humour. Although I think I'm a fairly attractive guy, I've met most of my past girlfriends primarily because I'm a very outgoing person by nature.

    11. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've finally figured it out.

      The single most damaging thing a man can do for his chances is to let a women figure out that he trusts her. Bam, game over. Instant friend-zone. Permanently.

    12. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Perhaps your little sister is indirectly trying to tell you that she thinks you are a half-witted creep?

    13. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1

      regarding the "plenty of whales" comment above...

      What? Fat chicks need love too... but they gotta pay. [/quagmire]

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    14. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by pieceofstone · · Score: 1

      Not to sound pointlessly pedantic, but in some cases, people honestly do not have as much control over being fat as the next person, such as people with thyroid disorder or polycystic ovary syndrome. Although you weren't referring to these kinds of people.

    15. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by Simon80 · · Score: 1

      I'm always incredulous at how many people still use PoF despite how bad it is. OKCupid is so much better (still free though), because the questions help you automatically weed out all the icky people you don't want to have anything to do with.

    16. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by alien9 · · Score: 1

      wait, you went online to get a date with yourself?

    17. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by sumdumass · · Score: 3, Funny

      I tried online dating once.. Let me tell you something, the online part is just to lure you into it. They expect to see you in real life,.

      God I miss the good ole days when cyber actually meant phone sex over the interweb.

    18. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you find yourself saying "She'd be really hot if she just lost 20/50/100 pounds," then his point stands. You're saying you DON'T find her attractive, and the reason you don't find her attractive is because of her weight.

      So don't bitch about how shallow girls are, because you're doing the same they are. You don't like fat girls, they don't like sweaty neckbeards who smell like cheetos and mountain dew, and who have all the social skills of a box of turnips. You don't want to see their fat girl poetry, they don't want to see your super-cool anime collection hidden in your basement under crusty pizza boxes and tissues you've beat off into, or your extensive sci-fi movie and swedish death metal album collections.

    19. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Something tells me you are one of those who only wants to date a supermodel and every other woman is "too fat"

    20. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by Sectoid_Dev · · Score: 1

      Speaking from personal experience, fat girls "try harder". And I for one appreciate that.
      So thanks for being such an asshole.

    21. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by Stregano · · Score: 1

      They expect to see you in real life,.

      Well that just kinda spoiled it all for me.

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    22. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by Stenchwarrior · · Score: 2

      Heh...tell us how you really feel.

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    23. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      If only weight was the only problem. It's a free site so it attracts the dregs of society.

    24. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      "Something tells me you are one of those who only wants to date a supermodel and every other woman is "too fat"

      No...while yes, I have dated some women that were exceptionally beautiful, some that had modeled before...

      No..that's not all I date. I do however consider fat women to be....fat women. I'm not looking for anyone that is over weight. I'm working hard on diet, and regular exercise to try to keep myself in good healthy shape. I expect the same from my woman.

      I'm not looking for any women, that if they are on top...that I'll risk suffocation. I'd like in the 5'8 range..in the 170lbs or less range....at the very lest, I don't want women with a gut...or muffin tops....big asses.....and even if not fat, I'm a bit hesitant about thick wrists or thick ankles, so far those have been proved to be almost sure signs of weigh problems down the road.

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    25. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by diskofish · · Score: 1

      We need a catchword for that like, like butterface.

    26. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

      Not all nerds are unattractive. Very many are just socially inept.

    27. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by tmp31416 · · Score: 1

      the biggest problem with PofF (and all the other dating sites i've been on), is that people... huh, women lie.
      big time.

      (i'm writing this from a guy's perspective. i'm sure the reverse can be quite true...)

      they lie about their age -- i've lost count of the "38yo" females who'se personal picture clearly show they're 48-50yo. and fat (no, really)

      they lie about their financial status -- "financially independant" more often than not means "i need a sugar daddy with deep pockets".

      they lie about their job status -- "self employed" / "entrepreneur" / etc. 99.99% of the time mean "i can't keep a job even if my life depended on it".

      they lie about what they want -- "i've really looking for the love of my life" 9x% of the time mean "i'm looking for a sucker i can fleece".

      they lie about their hobbies (if they have any) -- for example, "cycling" truly means "i have this wal-mart bike i've found in my neighbour's trash, that i use to go around the block... every blue moon". and don't get me started about "hiking", "camping" and/or anything remotely outdoorsy. (i never thought saying i'm a scuba diver could be taken in the same way as if i said i was a necrophiliac pedophile. whoa)

      and then there's the laundry list of requirements you have to meet. as the parties involved get older, the list gets more and more insane. so, gents, even you are in your 40s, you have to be in absolutely perfect shape, absolutely no medical issues, you have to be wealthy, no baggage, etc. and, preferably, you must not be divorced, widowed, whatever. it's like if they want a 27yo rich athletic subservient virgin... whilst, of course, they can be unemployed and going nowhere fast, fat, looking like beaten hag, etc. unless they're the insane cosmetic surgery addicted athlete wannabe who'se the mahogany row witch of BigCorp inc.

      are dating sites a good thing, should geeks look to them to find "the one"?

      i don't know. theoretically, it sure beats the bar scene, but my experience and that of other guys at the office who let it slip they tried those sites, is not positive.

      maybe Clifford Stoll is right, maybe we do need to turn the tube off and "get out there".

      i know that how i met my late wife, "out there"...

    28. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by tmp31416 · · Score: 1

      maybe i should have qualified my rant.
      i'm in my 40s... er, late 40s (damn).
      i've tried these dating sites between 2003 and 2007.
      my observations about the women on these dating sites are more about the females in their 40s, and not about young chicks in their 20s.
      maybe only the bad women end up on these dating sites when they are in their 40s... or their "30s" (yeah, right).
      again, it's from my own experience and that of a few other guys at the office.

      p.s.: not to be petty Taco, but the new slashdot still sucks. even logged in we can't have the "old skool" /. anymore! arrgh!

    29. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by phoenix321 · · Score: 2

      Being overweight is a matter of input vs. output, no matter the circumstances. It just might be a lot harder for some because of the reasons you mentioned, but not impossible.

      People that gained weight on 1500 calories a day could, if anything, save money on food. As long as they're gaining weight, they're not starving.

      Ask yourself: would these people lose weight if they'd only be eating a single leaf of lettuce per day? Yes, they would, otherwise we'd have found a simple solution for everyone in Ethiopia and Somalia.

      Unless people can starve AND gain weight at the same time, they can lose weight by eating less.

    30. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by monkyyy · · Score: 1

      lol, try asking 4chan to start a /d/ating board

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    31. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So which category is she saying ... Oh. Nevermind!

    32. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by CTLz · · Score: 1

      True my Fiancée and I met through online, infact i found her on POF and another, and sent her an email we have been together now for 4 1/2 years.

    33. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by glittalogik · · Score: 2

      stopputtingbutterinyourface?

    34. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

      Something tells me you've never been to the site.

          Some of it may have to do with the fact that the site screws with the aspect ratio of every picture. They squeeze whatever you submit into a square box on the main page, and search results. Even still, when you go to the profile you may see how hard they try to make themselves look good. Really, you have to be careful. I do prefer thin women, but some of the women ... well ... lets just say I'm surprised the camera didn't turn around and strangle the photographer for trying to take the picture. :)

          Then again, I've met a few who just had a horrible picture, but were some of the most beautiful, and as you said, model quality, women I've ever met. They were also ditched for serious emotional or habitual problems. A little crazy, I can handle. A little drinking is fine. Lines of coke, heroin, not so good, and even worse if you want *me* to get it for you. Sorry, a hot chick on my arm isn't worth a felony possession charge.

          But back to the fat and the ugly of it, no, if your face looks like the result of a mack truck hitting a water buffalo, and your 400 pounds of sweet lovin' wants to ride the 160 pounds of Smythe, I prefer to survive than to get laid. :) And when we go out, I don't like to be one of the few people left in the club, because everyone ran away scared that they'd be eaten. You may think that's mean. Try being the one to have her crying on your arm afterwards. It's really not a pretty sight.

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    35. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      /d/ is actually the Hentai/Alternative board, which is all of the hentai too disgusting for the rest of 4chan. If you want the dating board I believe that would be /r9k/ where people whine about how hard it is to get laid and ask chicks to call them. It's like a super concentrated version of LiveJournal and MySpace, with less data mining and more social ineptitude.

    36. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oh yeah, user ID "Anonymous Coward" is very attractive, I agree.

    37. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by Pete+Venkman · · Score: 2

      it's because they have to

    38. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by meyekul · · Score: 1

      God I miss the good ole days when cyber actually meant phone sex over the interweb.

      I'm sure the other guy probably misses it to. Seriously, how many women do you think go online to flick the bean while talking to strangers?

    39. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, she thinks he should email her through PoF?

    40. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by pieceofstone · · Score: 1

      You're right, let me go back and amend my earlier comment where I say such people have absolutely no control over their weight rather than less contr... oh, I didn't say that. Never mind.

    41. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by eugene+ts+wong · · Score: 1

      I agree with what you are saying, but I based my approaches on compatibility, and tried to ignore the photos if they were super awesome. I think that women are just so shallow, even though they don't know it. My user name wasn't like "Bigpenis69" and "Bigstud72" either. Women can be really pathetic sometimes.

    42. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by eugene+ts+wong · · Score: 1

      It would be a bit more poetic if you said something like, "If she only weighed 130 instead of 310, she's be perfect.".

      That being said, she isn't pretty if you have to ignore her from the neck down.

    43. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by d6 · · Score: 1

      Jesus christ. I really LOL'd. Thank you.

      WTB +5 funnycuzitstrue mod

    44. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by GeorgeS · · Score: 1

      You might be surprised. Check out all the women on anywebcam.com someday.

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    45. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by eugene+ts+wong · · Score: 1

      You're right in that it is much better, because of the questions, but then again, you get some pretty stupid people who are very compatible with you. They don't quite understand certain questions. For example, they might not smoke, and they might be intolerant towards smokers. You might not smoke, but you might be tolerant towards smokers. That person might completely reject you, even though you won't smoke around her. She's stupid. It's very sad.

      I've even seen people get turned off because of the other person's interpretation of "wherefore", or the answer to a brainy question [e.g. "stale" is to "steal" what 12345 is to...", etc.]. It's 1 thing to not bother working it out on paper, and to not bother looking it up in the dictionary, but it's a whole new level of arrogance to go ahead and reject somebody who answers correctly. For many of you readers out there, it's easy to brush off the people who reject us, when we have a lot to choose from, but when they are basically the only people showing an interest in us, then it becomes very discouraging.

      I say all of this with the mindset that this past August, I began to suspect that I probably have Asperger's Syndrome. As I interact with more people, it's becoming more and more believable. I'm 37, and it's really demoralizing to think that a lot of the failures in my life are related. I am only discovering this at age 37?? That's sad.

    46. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by eugene+ts+wong · · Score: 1

      How do you know that they lied? Did you meet up with them?

      What type of a place did you meet your wife at?

    47. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      You mean like this?
      http://www.bloodninja.org/view.php?id=7

      Probably not work safe..

    48. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by goose-incarnated · · Score: 1

      Something tells me you are one of those who only wants to date a supermodel and every other woman is "too fat"

      Actually, no. I want to date a woman who's not obese. I find obese woman physically unattractive. Should this now be my fault? I take great pains to keep in shape; I'm not dating someone who doesn't take equally great pains to keep in shape.

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    49. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a great summation of the excuses fat people try to use.

    50. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On the contrary, I recently experimented with online dating myself. In my experience, the site should actually be called "plenty of whales" though...

      On the contrary, I recently experimented with online dating myself. In my experience, the site should actually be called "plenty of whales" though...

      + 5 ...try +25 as most of the pictures are foto shopped and well most gals did look pretty good back 20 years a go and well the "boot leather" sure could take a good polishing now...lmfao

    51. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Glad to see you're not worried about trivialities like intelligence, character, morals, beliefs, sense of humour, everyone knows they don't matter in the long run.

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    52. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by Putr · · Score: 1

      Whales are not the problem. I meet my current girlfriend on okcupid, the thing i didn't expect was THE CRAZY. I should have seen the "crazy eyes". The problem is i cant even dump her cuz the crazy is so bad she mite kill herselfe :| So you see, I'm a bit stuck.

      She's hot tho.

    53. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by cyclomedia · · Score: 1

      Feeling your pain, i became suspicious aged late 20s but the final nail in the coffin - scoring 37/50 on the autism test (normal humans get about 15 IIRC) - came when I was in my 30s.

      Fortunately by that time I'd decided to get over it. A lot of which involves acting the part of someone who has self confidence (as opposed to the reality of total self doubt) and actually talks to girls on occasion (as opposed to spending too long trying to think of what to say and talking myself out of it).

      The most important lesson I've learnt about interacting with humans is that if you stop TRYING so hard and are honest then what look like pitfalls - she talks about a book and author you've never heard of - become opportunities: you tell her you've never heard of either and show an interest. Turns out humans love it when you show an interest in them and the things they like, so just keep em talking and use your geek powers to remember this information for the next encounter: Did you finish that book you were reading? Who was the author again? (It's enough that you remembered this much, really!)

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    54. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I seem to have been transported to the "Men's Health" website. Let's all swap pix of our six packs and bitch about how women don't understand us.

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    55. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So does that mean that I should login with a Anonymous Coward alias instead?

    56. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by goose-incarnated · · Score: 1
      Well, forgive me for not wanting to date an obese woman.[sarcasm]it's not like woman refuse to date a habitually unemployed man[/sarcasm].

      Face it - women have certain requirements, and I take care to fulfill them as best I can (remaining employed, getting a degree, owning my own free-standing property *and* remaining in shape) in order to attract and retain a mate. I don't want a woman who can't fulfill my requirements (basic hygiene, BMI of over 21 and under 23, no psychotic tendencies, things like that).

      The most important requirement for the majority of women (who are searching for a partner) is that the partner can provide food, clothing and shelter. The most important requirement for the majority of men is that the partner is physically attractive. No amount of stupid people trumpeting PC crap is going to change that.

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    57. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by eugene+ts+wong · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the tips and your reply.

      Unfortunately, I tend to be forgetful, so I can really miss out on a lot of things. That being said, I'll try to start memorizing things that people say.

      Why is it so important for people that we check up on things [e.g. "How are your parents?"; "How is your family?"; "Did you finish ___?"; "Who was the author again?"; etc.]? Sometimes people seem so thankful, and I do not understand the significance.

      On a more humourous note, I find that if I claim to possibly have Asperger's, then I can get away with a bit more. It would be almost like saying, "You are very smelly today, and your bottom is huge. Oh by the way, I might have Asperger's Syndrome.". ;^P I'd never say that, but there are times, when the conversation is flowing well, and I don't want to spend too much time thinking about what to say. Part way through a sentence, I begin to have doubts about the appropriateness of what I'm saying, so I just add at the end, "Oh, by the way, I might have Asperger's Syndrome.", and then they just brush it all away, as if nothing happened.

    58. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Your post nicely illustrates why these sites are mostly useless for anyone who is not physically attractive. In the real world big women manage to get partners because they meet them as casual acquaintances or co-workers and get to know them first, by which point looks are not as important as personality and shared interests. On web sites all you see is a photo and a few vague lines about how they have a GSOH and enjoy going out.

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    59. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A person's physical condition is a pretty good first indication of all of those things. Someone who is fat obviously has some kind of mental issues like low self-esteem, depression, apathy and a poor take on reality or they wouldn't be fat. It also helps to be physically attracted to someone in order to even "open talks" with them in a romantic context. A woman with kankles, two chins, flabby arms, cottage cheese legs, stretch marks, a belly that stick out further than her breasts and food constantly on her mind is not enticing to me in the least.

      Sorry about your low standards, but some of us are able to do better than you.

    60. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by drunkennewfiemidget · · Score: 1

      Wow! What an original response!

    61. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by _0xd0ad · · Score: 1

      women have certain requirements, and I take care to fulfill them as best I can (remaining employed, getting a degree, owning my own free-standing property *and* remaining in shape) in order to attract and retain a mate

      Since when do those things have anything to do with attracting women?

      My gainfully employed, 4-year-degree holding, property owning, 21.5 BMI ass is obviously doing something wrong, because it's not working.

    62. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by goose-incarnated · · Score: 1

      YMMV - ItWorksForMe; what do they say when you introduce yourself? Do they giggle or even smile at the tiny attempt at humour you made in the first 30 seconds of meeting them? Because, if you can't make it past the first minute, they never get to hear that your property-owning ass is gainfully employed with a B degree. Some things are an indicator - non-cheap clothing, non-cheap car, non-cheap deodorant, etc - that the man is gainfully employed.

      Anyway, it's moot; of course there are statistical outliers in every population (sucks, man, sorry), but that doesn't invalidate my point (in that I'd rather be attractive to the majority of women, than look in the minority for "true love" (*spits), and that I'm certainly well-within the norms when I decide not to date someone based on looks).

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    63. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      "My gainfully employed, 4-year-degree holding, property owning, 21.5 BMI ass is obviously doing something wrong, because it's not working."

      How many women are you approaching each day? How many on weekdays vs weekends?

      If you aren't approaching as many as you can...well, a good looking smart one isn't just going to fall in your lap. Most guys I find that say this...aren't trying hard enough. Make it a point that each day..you talk to the most beautiful women you see out...each and EVERY day. Even if it is just saying hello....asking for the time...etc...practice makes perfect.

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    64. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by km_2_go · · Score: 1

      As a 40-something that has met some on POF, I wonder if it's because "the good ones are taken" by the time we get to be this age. Of course, that goes both ways, but I'm attractive, fit, healthy, make a decent living and has very little debt. The problem is there's very few suitable candidates out there. I kept waiting for the "perfect one" to come along, and didn't settle for "good enough". Now, all that's left are the dregs.

    65. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by tmp31416 · · Score: 1

      yes, i connected with them.
      out of quite a few dates from which i bailed out quickly, i ended up in two rather unsuccessful relationship -- quite a learning experience.

      one turned out to be a very undesirable human being, someone i could not trust at all, who would have gotten me in trouble through her sheer stupidity and irresponsibility: financially, legally and even worse.

      the other is a wingnut who's still psychologically stuck in her native country, a few decades ago. acquaintances from the same country all say "why is she doing x, she's not in ${native country} anymore, and even then, we don't do this anymore back home". she's got such a weird idea of what a husband should be that she's never been in any true relationship. at every level. and when she decides you're not a perfect suitor for her, she turns beyond nasty on you. that one hurt.

      i met my wife at work (previous workplace), and i was not even looking for a girlfriend.
      it all started with a bad hair joke and went downhill from there -- a few weeks after that, i was moving in with her... and i was not even supposed to be staying in that city for more than a few months! talk about "out of town" work that takes an unexpected turn...

    66. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by tmp31416 · · Score: 1

      yeah, that's what i ended up thinking, that all the good ones are already taken.
      (maybe it depends on the service you're on -- do the "freebies" attract the wrong crowd?)

      there's a lot of angry women out there: divorced, ex-battered wife, etc. it's funny that they demand that *you* have dealt with your past, that you have gotten over your ex (or whatever), but _them_, on the other hand...

      and i agree that waiting for the perfect one won't work... you have to take a chance, as long as there are enough common points or good points to bootstrap the process, who knows where it's going to lead?

      though i wonder: should one consider looking "out of town" or is it too risky?
      and, no, i'm not talking about getting a mail-order bride from china or russia... (one poor sap at the office did it and all the worse clichés happened to him. ouch)

    67. Re:should not affect slashdot crowd by eugene+ts+wong · · Score: 1

      You sound like you have had a lot of difficulties in relationships through no fault of your own. Sometimes I find it so hard to believe that this stuff happens often, and that it happens often to normal people.

  2. makes sense by Charliemopps · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The "hacker" found a weakness in the websites security and exploited it. Then the website found a weakness in the hackers security and did the same in turn. You'd think the hacker in question would be a little more secure about their own personal information.

    1. Re:makes sense by SIR_Taco · · Score: 5, Funny

      What's worse, after his Mom reads the e-mail, she'll probably kick him out of the basement!

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    2. Re:makes sense by locallyunscene · · Score: 1

      What "weakness in the hackers' security" are you referring to? The one where they gave them their names because they were trying to disclose a vulnerability? I wasn't aware searching for a name on Facebook was considered hacking now. Silly comment.

    3. Re:makes sense by rvw · · Score: 2

      The "hacker" found a weakness in the websites security and exploited it. Then the website found a weakness in the hackers security and did the same in turn. You'd think the hacker in question would be a little more secure about their own personal information.

      Disturbing! Finding his Facebook page is quite an impressive hack. Then emailing his mom - wow man - that will definitely scare him off. One hacker down!

    4. Re:makes sense by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 0

      Apparently you haven't heard of all the 'google hacks' ... searching for anything now seems to be considered hacking.

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    5. Re:makes sense by bemymonkey · · Score: 1

      You should read the articles linked in the summary - quite an entertaining read. Chris Russo comes off looking like the victim, and the dating site (which appears to be the same to dating sites as blogs are to serious journalism) founder comes off looking like a complete jackass.

    6. Re:makes sense by pawntokingspawn · · Score: 5, Funny

      and cancel his Warcraft subscription

    7. Re:makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty sure it was meant as a joke... you know like "I'm gonna tell your mom on you". Its funny because he still lives with his mom...he implying that his mom is a... you know what, nevermind. This joke is not for you.

    8. Re:makes sense by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Dang it!

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    9. Re:makes sense by Onymous+Coward · · Score: 1

      The articles linked in the summary? The PoF blog says stuff like

      On January 18th, after days of countless and unsuccessful attempts, a hacker gained access to Plentyoffish.com database. We are aware from our logs that 345 accounts were successfully exported. Hackers attempted to negotiate with Plentyoffish to âoehireâ them as a security team. If Plentyoffish failed to cooperate, hackers threatened to release hacked accounts to the press.

      [Emphasis mine.]

      It may be a while before a more objective view is sorted out.

    10. Re:makes sense by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      The one where they gave them their names because they were trying to disclose a vulnerability?

      I find it sillier that they choose to refer to themselves as "security researchers". I mean, if you're going to hack websites and then brag about it to the website to rub their faces in the fact that you defeated their security, go ahead and call yourself a "hacker". Don't try to perfume the turd by pretending that you've got some altruistic motive.

      I've met quite a few of these "whitehat" types and of them all, only one actually cared about trying to prevent people from getting hurt. The rest were all weenie-waggers who sought some measure of approval for their antisocial behavior.

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    11. Re:makes sense by Toze · · Score: 3, Informative

      Specifically, there's a link in the article to Marcus Frind's blog, in which he claims in the same paragraph that "This was an incredibly well planned and sophisticated attack" and that "It took Chris Russo 2 days to break in; he didn’t even try to hide behind a proxy, signed up under his real name and executed the attacks while logged in as himself." Fortunately, Frind then "closed the breach if indeed there was one."

      Now, it's entirely possible- since both of them obviously want to sound as cool as possible- that Chris Russo was hoping to land a security gig with POF, and said some things to suggest urgency and encourage Frind to hire him. But, frankly, Frind, on his own blog, sounds like a disjointed paranoid, talking about how damn clever he is for foiling this wily hacker. Who discovered the plaintext password storage the site uses. If they're both wankers, I'd still give credit to Russo rather than Frind. I use POF myself (with the requisite sense of shame), and the site's asking for password resets because "an argentinian hacker accessed the site." Oh, and here's the brilliant method of getting new passwords; first you enter your email (which an exploiter would already know), then you enter your current password (which the exploiter would know), and your new password. So I guess all the users are pretty much safe! :D

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    12. Re:makes sense by Sectoid_Dev · · Score: 1

      I googled "hacking" once. Now I am one!

    13. Re:makes sense by Kizeh · · Score: 2

      Also, you can just re-enter your old password as the new one. There's no enforcement of password history. Not to mention, no email alerting one of the need to change the password.

    14. Re:makes sense by hellop2 · · Score: 1

      Just more examples of why PoF is one of the most poorly designed websites that ever existed.

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  3. oh dear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He is in trouble now, what a narq

  4. Password in plaintext email by RobertB-DC · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I was on the site for a while. It was always slightly clunky, but I'd prefer a free, one-man labor of love to a buy-in site that basically tries to promise sex for money. It was particularly helpful in helping me discover that I wasn't as bad as most of the creeps out there... and conversely, creepiness doesn't belong exclusively to those of the male persuasion. That was good to know -- it helped me realize that I need to be picky. (And my pickiness was rewarded many times over when I found my fiancee. In my Sunday School class).

    But on the tech side, it irritated the living crap outta me that POF would send me a weekly e-mail with my password IN PLAIN TEXT. Every week, just as a reminder of how easy it would be to log in. Yeah, easy for *anyone* to log in as me and, if I were foolish enough to put important information on POF, to mess with my life. And, of course, if I were foolish enough to use that password for my bank account... well, I think anyone on this site knows the rest.

    So I'm not at all surprised that someone found a way to hack POF. Sending a password in plaintext is bad, but not uncommon. Heck, T-Mobile does it. But sending it every week, unsolicited? I'm sorry to be rude, but that's just stupid.

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    1. Re:Password in plaintext email by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      And my pickiness was rewarded many times over when I found my fiancee. In my Sunday School class.

      Please confirm that you weren't the teacher, and she's not a student in this class...

    2. Re:Password in plaintext email by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And my pickiness was rewarded many times over when I found my fiancee. In my Sunday School class.

      Please confirm that you weren't the teacher, and she's not a student in this class...

      Why does that matter? He didn't say 2nd grade Sunday school teacher.

    3. Re:Password in plaintext email by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I used POF, and found its interface to be absolute shit. I still get emails from them on a bi-weekly basis, with password still in plaintext (after noticing this the very first time I immediately changed it to something more appropriate to something emailed in plaintext). The guy who runs it makes like $1mil+ a month in ad revenue, so I don't really feel bad about his baby getting hacked when he has the money to hire someone with half a brain.

    4. Re:Password in plaintext email by religious+freak · · Score: 3, Funny

      Agreed. I've used it. And honestly I think online dating is the most efficient way to find someone you're compatible with. You have a list of people answering questions you wouldn't dare to ask them before you see them naked a few times (e.g. what religion are you, do you want to get married and/or just have fun) and you've got a whole list of them. Select your criteria, weed out the fatties and the uglies and email the rest. A couple of them respond, talk to them go on dates with a few and 'viola' - instant girlfriend and/or friend with benefits. It's beautiful. And like you said, most of the competition is just deadbeat dudes. Pretty easy to beat.

      But as you also said, it's one dude's project and the interface... well, it kind of shows it. I'm not surprised they're hacked. But honestly, these dating services are generally public anyway, so if these sites are not hacked, they're definitely farmed. The way I look at it... fuck it. I'm looking for titties!

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    5. Re:Password in plaintext email by Whalou · · Score: 5, Funny

      [...]I'd prefer a free, one-man labor of love[...]

      So you don't date? :-P

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    6. Re:Password in plaintext email by CCarrot · · Score: 1

      And like you said, most of the competition is just deadbeat dudes. Pretty easy to beat. [...] Select your criteria, weed out the fatties and the uglies and email the rest. [...] The way I look at it... fuck it. I'm looking for titties!

      Hmmm...and your definition of a 'deadbeat dude' includes what, exactly?

      The competition may be tougher than you think...

      (and it's 'voila', not 'viola'. That would be a musical instrument, or a flower.)

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    7. Re:Password in plaintext email by cayenne8 · · Score: 2

      "Hmmm...and your definition of a 'deadbeat dude' includes what, exactly?"

      Apparently, just something as basic as having a job (especially one that doesn't include wearing a nametag saying 'Hi, my name is...') is a hard thing for women to find out there.

      And apparently it is even harder to find men that not only have jobs, but have decent hygiene, wear decent clothes and have a personality greater than that of a small soap dish.

      At least..that's what I hear from women out there. Having a job...really gets you ahead of a LOT of the crowd of guys out there on these things. I'd guess what I described above are some things that would describe a 'deadbeat dude'.

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    8. Re:Password in plaintext email by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yes, I'm a geek :P

    9. Re:Password in plaintext email by tokul · · Score: 2

      Sending a password in plaintext is bad, but not uncommon.

      If site can email you your password, it is not just bad. It is sign of fscked up security. The only way of knowing your password is to store it in plain text or in some automatically decypherable form. If site sends you your passwords, you should ask them why password hashes are not used.

    10. Re:Password in plaintext email by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Select your criteria, weed out the fatties and the uglies and email the rest. A couple of them respond, talk to them go on dates with a few and 'viola' - instant girlfriend and/or friend with benefits.

      Sadly enough the women seem to weed out the nerds living in their parents basement. So it doesn't work for me.

      But a good idea .. For the successful ones, those greedy bastards who can already get one even out in the sun...

      Probably contacted 10.000+, slept with 0. ;)

      (Probably three possibilities though, but that doesn't count (fat by European standards.))

    11. Re:Password in plaintext email by danbert8 · · Score: 3, Funny

      You know, I've heard this repeated so many times, but I can't even get a response from girls on dating websites despite not only having a job, but a well paying job. Yes, I'm a nerd, but still. You'd think I could at least get a response... I'm going to go cry into a wad of cash now.

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    12. Re:Password in plaintext email by Unkyjar · · Score: 1

      Hot cougar sunday school teacher action!

    13. Re:Password in plaintext email by smooth+wombat · · Score: 1

      I didn't mind the interface. It was nice to see something simple. However, I left when he became more like Facebook in that to read any message you had to supply information such as your income level, occupation, and related matters.

      While you could falsify the stuff, the problem came in when it was discovered that when you did a search, your results were based on what was on your profile. So if you said your salary was $100K, then whatever programming was done on the backside would limit your results to people who had a salary range of $80K - $110K, for example. Someone who made $50K would not be included. Markus himself said that this was done because (paraphrasing) like follows like.

      You could bypass this by doing a generic search from the main page without logging in but that shouldn't have had to be done.

      There were other issues that I finally threw in the towel (to paraphrase another poster on here, "Moo!") but overall it was because in my area, there was very little selection. I'm not overly picky, but when you talk about how badly you were treated in the past or you don't take shit from anyone, I'll keep walking.

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    14. Re:Password in plaintext email by moeluv · · Score: 1

      I wish I had a mod point for you sir. First good laugh I've had all day.

    15. Re:Password in plaintext email by jd · · Score: 1

      The creating an account page was broken when I tried the site, the tech support sent abusive mail, so I now regard them as a bunch of juveniles. A dating site that is actually usable has to be their first priority, competent and friendly tech support needs to be their next.

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    16. Re:Password in plaintext email by Gilmoure · · Score: 2

      Buy more dice.

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    17. Re:Password in plaintext email by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whoa there, my personality is greater than a MEDIUM size soap dish.

      Thanks for the tip about a "job" though, I might have to look into that.

    18. Re:Password in plaintext email by religious+freak · · Score: 1

      Lol - I actually wrote this post in hurry, because I'm working (compile time, ya know ;-)

      Point taken, but if lusting after boobs makes me a deadbeat, then I know I'm not alone! As one of the replies said, deadbeats are the guys that don't shower, work, or have manners.

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    19. Re:Password in plaintext email by madhurms · · Score: 1

      But sending it every week, unsolicited?

      POF actually emails you DAILY with list of matches. Yeah, the latest email (sent on Jan 30) still includes password in plain text.

    20. Re:Password in plaintext email by dumeinst · · Score: 1

      I wonder if anyone outside the South Eastern united states knows that there's 'Sunday School' for grown ups? I certainly didn't before I moved here!

    21. Re:Password in plaintext email by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was thinking it but wasn't going to post it :).

    22. Re:Password in plaintext email by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "You know, I've heard this repeated so many times, but I can't even get a response from girls on dating websites despite not only having a job, but a well paying job. "

      Hmm....just how many girls on the websites are you approaching? You know, it is really a HUGE numbers game on the internet, maybe even more so than in real life meatspace.

      Are you trying to contact 100's or more of women a week?

      Make yourself out a basic 'template' of an email to use...with some spaces in there to maybe personalize your message a little bit...maybe to mention one specific thing you read about her (if you bother reading them, and don't go straight from looks). Anyway, use this basic 'canned' email and send it out over and over and over and over and...well, you get the idea. Heck, even send it to chicks you might not even be interested in, just to gage response. If it doesn't work...tweak it a little.

      I actually heard some guys did the reverse engineering thing...they created a fictitious account as a chick, with good looking pics and all...just for the sole objective...of seeing what other guys were posting on their profiles, and the types of emails they were sending. Some guys doing this, even would have girls that were just friends, read what they guys were sending, just to see what they thought they as women would respond to.

      The researchers used all this to tune their emails to women, and started getting a lot more response (of course, they STILL sent out 100's and 1000s of emails to women, but they were better quality emails.

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    23. Re:Password in plaintext email by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how badly you were treated in the past

      Those girls usually give the best sex, they usually are into anything if you project that you love them. I had many rim-job that way

    24. Re:Password in plaintext email by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go to your local community college and sign up for a writing class. Your writing is painful to read and difficult to understand. Maybe you'd get a better response rate if women could understand what you were trying to say.

    25. Re:Password in plaintext email by asdfghjklqwertyuiop · · Score: 1

      So if you said your salary was $100K, then whatever programming was done on the backside would limit your results to people who had a salary range of $80K - $110K, for example. Someone who made $50K would not be included.

      The results would limit to other people who *themselves* made $80-110K, or to people who *wanted someone else* who makes $80-110K?

    26. Re:Password in plaintext email by smooth+wombat · · Score: 1

      It would be limited to people who themselves made the range. So, if you made $85K and they made $80K, you would show up in each others search.

      If you made $56K and they made $85K, neither would show in the others search.

      I don't think there was a way to search for people within a salary range. I don't remember seeing anything like that. However, as I did mention, you could do a wider search from the homepage, when you weren't logged in, which would show you anyone who met your criteria regardless of salary.

      That's what I did. I wanted to see everyone who met my age range. I could weed things out from there.

      This is one reason I haven't gone to other sites, including OKCupid. Even though it, OKCupid, is free, I can't do a search from the main page to see if it's worth it to sign up. If it's the same people as on Fish, then what's the point?

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    27. Re:Password in plaintext email by rwyoder · · Score: 1

      But on the tech side, it irritated the living crap outta me that POF would send me a weekly e-mail with my password IN PLAIN TEXT. Every week, just as a reminder of how easy it would be to log in.

      Oh, but it gets better: POF just now sent me an email notifying me of the breach, and sent me a *new* password, in PLAIN TEXT of course.

    28. Re:Password in plaintext email by asdfghjklqwertyuiop · · Score: 1

      That's quite strange. I wonder why they do that. I don't think most people are totally uninterested others who are beyond +/- 10% their own salary. That isn't the case for me, at least.

      I can tell you OKCupid is an infinitely better site interface-wise and functionality-wise, at least. Better than any other site I've tried. In particular, unlike practically every other dating site, they tell you exactly when people last logged in for free instead of playing games hiding that information to make you think there's more activity on the site than there really is.

    29. Re:Password in plaintext email by Toze · · Score: 2

      Go to a goddam stylist, get a very pretty and fashionable female friend (or well dressed gay dude friend, or whatever) to help you pick out a good wardrobe. Seriously. Stylish chicks love a makeover project. It makes them feel like they're the Helpful Pretty Friend in an ugly duckling movie. I've seen a total skid theater tech transformed into a fairly dapper fellow. Unless you already wear outfits worth over $500, you will benefit greatly from a friend making you over. If you are like every other geekass bastard out there, you're wearing comfortable clothes that make you look like you rolled out of a cardboard box this morning. Get style, get ladies. Money will get ladies, but you have to show the ladies that you have it. That means you wear flash clothes, maybe drive a flash car, and you waste money to look good.

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    30. Re:Password in plaintext email by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In my experience dating sites don't take security seriously. One site I used put the session id in every url. So if someone from the site copied and pasted a link from the website to me, I would have their session id. Worse is that on this site you could change your email address without the site asking for a password. And of course the site sent you your password instead of emailing you a new random one.

      I even emailed them telling them this was possible and they responded that the session id would not work if it came from a different computer. I responded saying I created a new profile and tried it on 2 separate computers on two separate networks which got ignored. I was surprised that they didn't delete my account though...

    31. Re:Password in plaintext email by Unkyjar · · Score: 1

      Wow...treating dating like a corporate job hunt, form letter with demographic research and all. That's super-creepy man.

    32. Re:Password in plaintext email by PhreakOfTime · · Score: 1

      The competition may be tougher than you think...

      No, its not.

      I've been on the site, and while I wont go into details about the 'quality' of some of the women I've met, I can tell you for sure that I have zero problem getting the initial contact. On average, I'd say about 5-6 a week come in from my local area, from me doing nothing at all.

      Granted, the pool of quality women is JUST as limited as the pool of quality men available to a woman is. But then again, I'm picky.

    33. Re:Password in plaintext email by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where do I find a female friend ?

    34. Re:Password in plaintext email by _0xd0ad · · Score: 1

      (obligatory hand-wave) Those aren't the women I'm looking for.

    35. Re:Password in plaintext email by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I'd say OKCupid is worth the signup.

      I met my last girlfriend there, we dated for 3 years.

      And how does cute nymphomaniac working on her PhD in Math sound?

      I don't know about Fish, but I'd say you've got a better chance finding a real geek girl on OKC.

    36. Re:Password in plaintext email by Unkyjar · · Score: 1

      OkCupid is fun even if you just sign up to wander around their quiz section.

    37. Re:Password in plaintext email by Americano · · Score: 1

      "In this country, you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the women."

      Tony Montana was right.

    38. Re:Password in plaintext email by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most middle class white guys I know have given up. The economy is fucked, the women are gold digging bitches, college doesn't want us, human-resources' only metric of ability is a rapidly depreciating overpriced piece of paper. Pretty soon, you won't be able to get a job as a "Sandwich Artist" without a PHD.

      It's absurd how much higher my quality of life is in my parents basement vs. prostituting myself in the job market.

      Supposing I took out the unsubsidized student loans, and found a job which wasn't a sweat-shop after four years of busy work? With wages falling and cost of living rising, it would take me nearly a decade to break even after the debt!

      My time and energy are better invested right now in working on my business and camping out until I'm eligible for the need based scholarships they hand out like candy to all the peasants(You can take the ignorance out of the peasant, but you can't take the peasant out of the ignorant).

      There's a good article in "The Atlantic" right now about why the plutocrats are indifferent to our suffering, and why when I make my first million: I'll be indifferent to yours.

      http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/01/the-rise-of-the-new-global-elite/8343/

      I'd rather be an autodidact than a slave to debt working in a coffee shop cause my skin is the wrong color and I have a penis. Bitter? Very fucking much so. 2 years of being spit on by the world and labeled a loser while yuppies who plunder scholarships, trust funds, loans, and their parents second mortgage on getting drunk, drinking coffee, and buying expensive clothes get slapped on the back. All I wanted was the same opportunity to get an education as everyone else. Need based, need based, need based, show me a merit based scholarship >%5 of tuition and I'll show you 1,000 chimps fighting over 1 banana.

      The smartest people I know are working as bartenders, and there are venture capitalists that are paying people to drop out of school.

      The United States has burned it's bridges with it's intellectual capital and I'll be laughing my head off from New Zealand as all you politically correct baby boomers try to fit 2 tons of social security in to a 1/2 ton pickup.

      The United States is a corporation, and it has a life cycle just like a business. We're rapidly approaching the "liquidate all income producing assets in order to tread water in the sea of good-times-incurred-liabilities" phase of per-bankruptcy. Our credit score is about to get dropped, our access to credit shut off, and our loans called in.

      The GDP is evaporating at the same time entitlements are exploding. Good luck with that!

      Fuck this country, and fuck American women.

      Actually, fuck the world. I'm going to be 80 years old in the time it takes to blink my eyes and I'm sure I'll have nothing to show for all the strife except a yacht, bad memories, and a dystopian future which resembles "Snow Crash".

      Every night I go to bed thinking: "at least the world can't get any worse", and every morning I open up CNN.com and Slashdot and find out how fucking naive I am before I go to sleep. The world record for worst day in history is set every morning. The only good thing on this entire planet is that there are a handful of physicists and material scientists who are actually making progress in advancing the species.

      Edgar Allen Poe wished he had material this good to work with, and yet every year the planet's art & culture becomes increasingly impotent. "Idiocracy" was written by an optimist. Malthus was too conservative in his pessimism. The only thing stranger than fiction is the futility of reality. If only we could "High Frequency Trade" suffering as a commodity. The Misery business is booming.

      I fought so damn hard. I tried so hard to keep the hope. After 2 years struggling against the ropes, eventually I ran out of steam and determination has it's limits. It hurts less if you don't fight it. The belief that merit has anything to do with success has been totally abandoned.

      Is it a depression yet or do I have to increase my visibility?

    39. Re:Password in plaintext email by swb · · Score: 1

      It's funny, but I've heard both the "easy success" story and the "impossible to find anyone" story from both men and women.

      One guy I know did multiple dating sites for at least 18 months. This guy is successful computer programmer who also had a law degree, in fantastic shape, very broad interests in terms of movies, music, etc. He went on a half-dozen "coffee" dates and the closest he came to a meaningful relationship was a 3-4 month relationship with a girl with herpes.

      His complaint was that he found matching difficult, and when he did find matches he felt that there was just too much competition -- 1 girl for 100 guys, and his perception was they just picked the richest/best looking, etc.

      Another guy said he went out on "dates" at least 3-4 times per month, and said he had sex with about 1/3 the girls he "dated" but hadn't gotten involved in a long term relationship. Even if he's exaggerating, he was doing well despite being an accountant/finance flunky, not very attractive, about 50 pounds overweight and so on.

      My sister in law did it for a long time and never had any success -- a couple of dates, but nothing lasting more than 3-4 dates. She's attractive, a school teacher who owns her own home and is very "together" and not some kind of emotional basket case / cat lady. As far as I know, she was looking for a more "serious" type of a relationship and not just hooking up (my wife won't let me ask...)

      My guess is the gimmick is to not be too hung up on "perfection" either in similarity or in looks, and be willing to try dating people just for fun, but I have a difficult time reconciling all the conflicting stories. I suspect its still easier for women than for men, since culturally we're still a little man-chases-woman. I have a hard time with the notion that you can get easy sex, but when I think about my pre-internet dating habits, it was unusual to date someone more than a couple of times and not have sex with them, and the more I'm exposed to the generation just younger than mine the more surprised at how much less sexually inhibited they are than we were, and we thought we were uninhibited.

    40. Re:Password in plaintext email by nasalicio · · Score: 1

      I've heard this crap time and time again, and I have to wonder if it seriously works. I mean...long term. Besides the obvious fact that "Money will get ladies, but you have to show the ladies that you have it." is basically treating women like whores, the women that accept this pretty much are, in fact, materialistic whores...so I guess they do get what they deserve.

      Sorry, but there are plenty of "real" women out there who don't give a crap about this sort of stuff. I know. I have one, and she loves me for being me, not for trying to pretend I'm some playboy wannabe. I am and will always been a jeans/t-shirt person, and I always will be. If a person of the opposite sex is too vain to accept that, then well, they're not good enough for me.

      Spending $500 on single outfits is about the stupidest thing I have ever heard of, and I know rich people who spend more than that on just a single piece of their outfits. I don't understand, nor will I ever understand, why. But whatever, it's their money. They can waste it how they want.

      Honestly though, if you need $500 outfits and fancy BMW's or whatever to get a girl, then you're obviously doing something wrong. I'd re-think your strategy because sooner or later you're going to need to have a conversation with your date. No money, outfit, or fancy car will be able to help with that.

    41. Re:Password in plaintext email by silverglade00 · · Score: 1

      What if she's the teacher and he's the student?

    42. Re:Password in plaintext email by Americano · · Score: 1

      If you listen very carefully, you can hear the sound of the joke passing by high above your head.

    43. Re:Password in plaintext email by Capt.DrumkenBum · · Score: 1

      A flash car is a great way to attract men, not women.
      For the record I have an account on POF. That account has a crap throw away password. I met a fantastic and beautiful woman off that site just this past weekend.

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    44. Re:Password in plaintext email by Americano · · Score: 1

      There's a happy medium.

      Unless you're trying *really* hard to identify with a particular subculture (emo, punk, urban, indie, hipster, apple fans, whatever) by wearing a particular "uniform", then a clean pair of pants and shirts and a pair of decent shoes will generally do the trick for most dates. You don't need to spend $500 on a single outfit. $500 will go a long way at someplace like Old Navy to pick up a few relatively inexpensive pairs of jeans & khakis and some presentable shirts that you can also wear to work.

      If you want to do a "makeover" - get yourself a decent haircut, spend a bit of money on a good razor, and spend 20 minutes cleaning yourself up before you go out - shave, trim your nails, and generally make sure you're presentable. Show up looking like you took that 20 minutes cleaning yourself up demonstrates that you care about making a good first impression. I guarantee that she spent at least that much time trying to make herself look good for you, if she was interested enough to agree to meet you for a date.

      After that comes the hard part: learn how to engage in "small talk," because you're going to need to do it. Be prepared to talk about things that interest you, and be prepared to listen to her talk about things that interest her. Take an interest in her activities and work, make her laugh, and be polite, and you'll probably get a second date. Dominate the conversation by recounting every gripping moment of the last cartoon you watched, be dismissive of her work and activities, talk about how everybody you work with is a bunch of ignorant fools and you're the only person keeping your company alive... you're probably not going to get that second date.

    45. Re:Password in plaintext email by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or Russian or Southeast Asian wife. Whichever floats your boat.

      How about buy the dice first, and then roll them to make the choice.

      (Rumor has it they're less picky over there, but then again after they get citizenship - watch out!)

    46. Re:Password in plaintext email by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "Wow...treating dating like a corporate job hunt, form letter with demographic research and all. That's super-creepy man."

      No..not creepy, it is just a big game, and you have to be willing to play it to get success.

      Read the book "The Game"...that is a good place to start to see how early on the PUA (Pick Up Artist) community started studying and analyzing what women look for and respond too. From there, look around for other sources...some guys, the ones that seem to get laid all the time without trying..they are 'naturals'. They do the things that many of the PUA crowd studied and learned to do. If nothing else, looking into this is a VERY interesting study in the human psyche...especially men/women interactions.

      But, like anything...if you want success, you have to be willing to work at it..AND be willing to learn what has worked from others. Heck, I've always believed in the C.A.S.E method (Copy And Steal from Everyone).

      And playing the numbers game...it makes sense. Heck, I try to make it a point EVERY single day I go out and about in life, to approach and at least say hello to the most beautiful woman I see. This helps to lower approach anxiety...it also helps to meet and approach more women. And, if later that day, I see a better looking chick...I have to go approach her.

      So, yes, like any skill....you DO have to learn from others (unless you are a rare natural) and it doesn't hurt to be methodical and logical trying to figure what does and does not work, and tune your game accordingly.

      Why do so many men think love and attraction just 'happen'? So many men accept this, yet think nothing of sweating, researching and studying to learn any other skill they wish to attain.

      One thing I've learned...and I'm STILL a novice...getting laid or getting a girlfriend, had nothing to do with "getting lucky". It has to do with work and persistence, knowing how to project confidence and other traits women are naturally, primitively attracted to.

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    47. Re:Password in plaintext email by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      'weed out the fatties' ?

      which website are we talking about, again?

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    48. Re:Password in plaintext email by Americano · · Score: 1

      Having spent time on a dating site myself (dated ~15 different girls off & on over the course of about 18 months), I think a big part of being successful is personality & presentation - I'm not particularly stylish, don't wear particularly expensive clothes, and drive a decent-but-nothing-fancy car. I had good luck with 6 of them (2 turned into 3- and 5-month long 'relationships', the rest usually lasted a few dates and involved varying levels of physical involvement), and the rest were just "bad first dates, but great stories" when recounting them to my friends - like the girl who thought "Brokeback Mountain" was a perfectly natural movie to go see on a first date.

      If you go into it thinking, "I'm gonna find the perfect girl SOOOO quickly," you'll be discouraged really fast. It's a way to meet people, but that's it - you have to remember that the profiles are only as honest as the person writing them, and that *everybody* on there is going to put their "best foot forward" in their profile - they'll tend to exaggerate the things they think are important/good qualities, and downplay the stuff they know is negative or that they don't realize about themselves.

      So, look at it as another way to meet people socially. If you see someone who catches your eye, attracts your interest, or sounds like they'd be fun to meet, say hello. But don't make it your only outlet for meeting people, or if it is your only outlet, bear in mind that it's likely to be a long-ish search, so have fun on the ride - you'll probably get laid a few times, get a whole bunch of "funny-awful first date" stories, and learn more about what you like & don't like in your prospective dates.

    49. Re:Password in plaintext email by Voyager529 · · Score: 1

      honestly I think online dating is the most efficient way to find someone you're compatible with.

      After a six month stint with eHarmony (and enough wasted money to have built the NAS I'm building this week a year ago), I disagree.

      Granted, there is a chasm of difference between our respective goals. According to your post, you're "looking for titties", and that's your prerogative. Personally, I'm looking for a lifelong commitment, so therein may explain the difference between our experiences.

      I found two major issues that are foundational with online dating, regardless of service or region. The first is that someone who is writing to you online can determine what to tell you. Obvious as that may seem, it's still an important thing to consider - you don't hear their real reaction. You hear their revised, calculated, desired response. It is simply human nature to avoid conflict in the beginning stages of a relationship, and the fact that it's the written word instead of the spoken word which includes vocal intonations and, if in person, body language and eye contact. It's a LOT of information that's being lost when discussing online that can skew one's perception of the other person. The second issue is that, especially with free services, you still don't ultimately know who you're talking to. There are the people who are the creeps you hear about on the news (i.e. those which the ladies especially tend to be wary of), and then there are simply people who are like me and just plain bad at striking up a discussion from nowhere, with someone who doesn't know you whatsoever. That can be a good thing if your general circles have a general negative opinion of you as it can be a place to start anew, but that's not really a guaranteed ideal situation.

      If anyone particularly cares about some of the more specific issues I found with online dating, feel free to ask, but I figured that it'd warrant a tl;dr response. I don't hold anything against online dating sites, but I have noticed that there are issues that it seems no one manages to quantify.

    50. Re:Password in plaintext email by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      "Be prepared to talk about things that interest you, and be prepared to listen to her talk about things that interest her. Take an interest in her activities and work, make her laugh, and be polite, and you'll probably get a second date"

      I try to listen to them, and get the woman to talk...que off of thing she says, and keep the conversation going that way.

      There has never been a woman on the planet earth that was out with a man, and complained that "she didn't get to talk enough about herself".

      One good thing to do...while doing this, try to generate good feelings with her with what she says, get her to associate good feeling from places and stories she tells you...to sitting and talking with you.

      And...do NOT do the interview questions...where you from, what do you do, etc. You can start with where are you from, but listen to what she says...if she's from Knoxville, TN...ask her how she liked growing up there. Often if she liked it...she'll mention what she liked about it, if not that is your next question. Get her to tell you about things she did as a kid that she liked.

      From things like that, you can usually find something common with your childhood...and you can mention that...in how you now relate to her and her experiences...etc. This is one way to build a rapport, with her....just guide her through conversation...throwing in bits and pieces how you relate to things she does.

      There are tons of other methods...but this is a good basic thing anyone can do.

      You generally start off a little stand offish...do the banter thing...a good joke...or whatever...and as you start to talk with her and move into the rapport phase of things...when you talk and mention things in common, make sure and reach out..touch her on the arm (but be natural about it)...touching and talking like this, will put you more and more into her trust zone...touch is also VERY important while doing this.

      What I mentioned above, is also one reason I almost NEVER go out on a first date to eat at a restaurant, how do you do this sitting across from each other? I like to do something different on first dates...something that stands out from what every other guy she dates does....maybe stop at a bar , have a couple of shots and go to the bug museum..you can talk there, get close to her...etc.

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    51. Re:Password in plaintext email by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      ok, so we 'dress up' and show them we have taste in clothes (we don't but we fool them). and THEN what? we are expected to wear that uncomfortable stuff for HOW long?

      you may be able to get her attention with better clothes, but those that 'demand' better clothes want you to be fashion concious all the time. are you really ready to CHANGE? I know I'm not. my engineering job lets me be comfortable and its kind of hard to go back once you've had that.

      you're better off with a girl who does not care about such surface level things. they are out there, even though its more rare (sigh).

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    52. Re:Password in plaintext email by hellop2 · · Score: 1

      I think you should get a job as a writer. Good stuff.

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    53. Re:Password in plaintext email by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 2

      where does the sugar come in? I did think there was sugar in there somewhere.

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    54. Re:Password in plaintext email by Toze · · Score: 1

      Personally, I agree with you; women who pay attention only to how many collars a guy has popped are brainless whores and deserve disdain, not attention. On the other hand, there's a difference between "holy shit bling" and "looking good" and "looking homeless," and I think we both know that nerds left to their own devices tend toward the "homeless" end of the scale. I know nerd dudes who wear fanny packs, T-shirts, and sweat pants to go to the mall. I know a lot of nerd dudes whose "good outfit" is 2-year-old khakis, a worn golf shirt, and running shoes without duct tape.

      I'm not saying there's anything wrong with wearing that. I am saying that women are interested in dudes who are going to be able to take them out every so often, and nerd outfits don't scream "I'm a reasonable bet on income levels and personal hygiene." If a nerd wants to attract women, and he's on a dating site, where the other dudes are showing off ripped abs and sweet tans, he may want to move from "homeless" to "I can dress myself and not embarass you when you're seen with me at the movies." Maybe $600 outfits is a bit wonky for most nerds, but the dude said he was loaded. If he wants to communicate that he's loaded and thinks it'll improve his chances, he needs to _look_ like he's got money to spend, or the broke dudes who spent their last paycheck on looking richer than he does are going to land dates, and he won't. Sure, the ladies will be disappointed with the slick-looking guys...

      But there's a difference between "I'm okay with dating guys that don't look like the Fonz/Vin Diesel" and "I'm okay with guys that look like they live in a van." And I *don't* think ladies are unreasonable in disregarding guys that dress like crap.

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    55. Re:Password in plaintext email by aliquis · · Score: 1

      buttseckz?!

      "Ligga?"

    56. Re:Password in plaintext email by Toze · · Score: 1

      A flash car is a great way to attract men, not women.

      HAH! XD +1 Insightful, my friend.

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    57. Re:Password in plaintext email by Americano · · Score: 1

      You just hit the nail on the head: if your presentation on the first date amounts to an attempt to "fool" the girl into thinking you're some sort of super-stylish fashion plate, you're wasting your time: either it's necessary, and she's not the girl for you, or it's unnecessary, and you're wasting money and possibly turning her off by appearing as a brand-obsessed idiot. Spending a bunch of money on a bunch of expensive clothes is stupid unless you have the money to blow on a whole wardrobe, and it's the type of clothing you wear *all the time,* and you *actually like* the clothing.

      But, as I mentioned above, *there is a happy medium* - if your idea of everyday clothing is ripped underwear and a stained tank top, you're going to need to put forth a *little* effort. But a couple pairs of khakis, a couple pairs of jeans, a few decent t-shirts, a few polo shirts, a few oxfords, a decent belt, and a couple decent pairs of shoes will serve you fine on dates & at any job you're likely to get working IT, and can be had for cheap from numerous places.

      I'd also suggest, however, that if you find anything more than sweats and a t-shirt to be "uncomfortable stuff," you're probably buying clothes in the wrong size and need to select better fitting articles of clothing. There's NO reason a pair of jeans should be uncomfortable. There's NO reason a suit should be uncomfortable. There's also NO reason why a pair of shoes should be terribly uncomfortable for more than a day or two as they break in and flex around your foot, either. If you're not sure how to pick out something that fits properly: ask for help from one of the employees.

    58. Re:Password in plaintext email by Americano · · Score: 1

      I especially loved the whining about "the futility of reality." That was totally fresh stuff I've never heard from anybody else. Ever. An amazing, original, American voice. Best post of 2011. Front-runner for the Academy Award nod.

    59. Re:Password in plaintext email by Americano · · Score: 1

      I think "the sugar" is what you ask the women for. As in: "Now gimme some sugar, baby."

    60. Re:Password in plaintext email by Toze · · Score: 1

      Good clothes are not uncomfortable. Ties are a pain in the ass, maybe, but if the clothes pinch or sag they're not good. You want to dress like an engineer and be "true to yourself?" Fine and dandy- but you don't get to complain that women "care about surface level things." You don't gaze with unrestrained lust on bag ladies, hot babes don't fawn all over your pocket protector, that's the deal. Personally, I'm into women with massive brains, but I'll pick the one with massive brains and hot legs before I pick the one with massive brains and a dumpy outfit- why expect them to choose differently?

      Wearing nice clothes changes who I am precisely as much as TCP headers change the contents of a packet.

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    61. Re:Password in plaintext email by Altus · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure that's step one.

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    62. Re:Password in plaintext email by MaWeiTao · · Score: 1

      Absolutely you have to put effort into making yourself presentable. But you don't need money to pull it off. And a good personality can get you quite far. You don't have to be overly outgoing, but you have to at least be interesting to talk to and be willing to listen. And sometimes it's just about being in the right place at the right time, and especially knowing people. Keep yourself locked in your room, hang out with the same circle of friends, follow the same old routine and it's pretty much guaranteed you're never going to find anyone.

      It's really not that hard, but a little bit of self-confidence and good presentation goes a long way.

      Flaunting wealth works, but only if you're really wealthy. Most guys will go broke trying to pull that one off.

    63. Re:Password in plaintext email by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. Citizenship or finding someone 10x as wealthy as you. And the more you support her, the easier she'll get one or both, so go figure.

      Need or want usually trumps love. Never forget it.

      Been burned hard, posting anon because of it.

    64. Re:Password in plaintext email by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sarcasm, how novel. Hypocrite.

      Why don't you free-write for 20 minutes about your dreams and frustrations so I can select and make fun of the 4 most cliche words that made it past the extensive editing process.

      If it isn't obvious, I've got emotional issues, so it's really swell of you to kick a guy while he's down. I'm trying to work up a good self pity and you're not helping.

      Asshole.

    65. Re:Password in plaintext email by halcyon1234 · · Score: 1
      Dear GOP, the above advice-- plain and simple, do not do it.

      You know all that personalize junk mail you get (both e and otherwise)? You know all those personalized phone calls you get from marketers? You know all those "glad to meet you" greetings you get from salespeople?

      You know how they all reek of being fake, slightly creepy, and utterly unbelievable?

      Yeah, that is exactly the vibes you will be saying to any potential date with a canned response. It comes across screamingly loud and clear. It is excruciatingly obvious that you've just hit her with a Control-C. (Even more so given that many women have friends on these sites, and they will mock you once they both get the same "personalized" letter).

      The only thing such a stunt will net you is being put into "that" pile. A generic cattle call that says "You are nothing more than an abstract score to me" will make a deep an lasting first impression-- just not the one you're hoping for.

      And yes, I met my wife via a social site. We still get a laugh out of the poorly written, pasted chat-ups she gets that start with "I loved reading your profile...". =)

    66. Re:Password in plaintext email by SpeZek · · Score: 1

      Yes! Read the Game, because women are just like Pavlov's dogs!

    67. Re:Password in plaintext email by idle12 · · Score: 1

      > If site sends you your passwords, you should ask them why password hashes are not used.

      And get an auto responser to some FAQ that doesn't have anything with what you asked other than it matched 4 out of 5 keywords in your email.

      Even if you get a human, the tech support jockey on the end probably A) won't have any clue what your talking about and even if he does B) won't have any power what so ever to change it.

    68. Re:Password in plaintext email by swb · · Score: 1

      Of the three people I knew that did it, only one would I consider having a decent personality, and she was unsuccessful -- and she's otherwise very socially active (well liked, tons of friends, etc).

      My sense is that too many people go into looking for something specific, as part of a larger life agenda involving long-term life & family choices or to find some kind of fulfillment they think they are missing.

      I think these people are disappointed the most but mostly because their goals are unrealistic, either online or in real life.

    69. Re:Password in plaintext email by Leebert · · Score: 1

      If site can email you your password, it is not just bad. It is sign of fscked up security.

      Not necessarily. It really depends on what exactly it's protecting. Security isn't full of absolutes.

      For example, GNU Mailman will e-mail you your password in plaintext monthly. It goes out of its way to tell you when you first create the password to tell you to not use a valuable password. But all it's protecting is your mailing list preferences, so it's no big deal.

      (Yes, in this case, clearly personal and financial information were leaked, and it should have been designed far more securely)

    70. Re:Password in plaintext email by Americano · · Score: 1

      I'm trying to work up a good self pity and you're not helping.

      I don't know, I'd expect that being kicked while you're down would only help you get into a really deep "self pity" state.

      You're welcome.

    71. Re:Password in plaintext email by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      "Yes! Read the Game, because women are just like Pavlov's dogs!"

      Well...we all ARE animals....and we have behaviors and wants and needs that do work on that low level. You just need to modify things to make it work in today's world.

      The Game is a bit old and long in the tooth..but it does set down a good idea of how to start learning how women work...and start to relate to more modern works.

      And at the very least...it is hard to argue with what does work for many men.

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    72. Re:Password in plaintext email by Omestes · · Score: 1

      The best methods are probably patience, and being yourself (honesty in general), at least for catching a serious, long term, girlfriend.

      I met my long term girlfriend (been dating for around five years, living together for two) in college. I drank too much, dressed like a moron (well, jeans and black t-shirts with boots or sandal.... when we met camo and chains with a shaved head), ran around like an idiot, got into long rants about politics, religion, philosophy, computers, Star Wars, and such. I was also a pretty large egotistical, pompous asshole (though I turned into a mere moderate one). She was rather normal, not into pretty much anything I was into. If we would have met 5 years earlier we would have hated each other on sight. Then somehow we end up dating. No pretension, no trying, no lying about who I am. We got along, warts and all.

      I always ponder why people feel the need to lie, or do extensive self-engineering, and come up with huge complex strategies just to date. I'm a nerd, I'm merely average in appearance. Being a nerd I'm socially awkward, and prone to strange behavior and transitory obsessions. I've never had a hard time with relationships (outside of the 4 year period that I quit trying because of a nasty breakup). Sure, girls don't flock to me as if I was rich, or some athletic wunderkind, or a good member of some cool subculture. But I've managed to have some form of girlfriend pretty much my whole life since turning 18, a couple of whom were long term. I've never tried to impress (girls are as smart as you are, they can tell your full of shit, or desperate), I've never read a book on it, I've never drawn up a flow chart.

      Most of the girls I've dated told me that they dated me because I WAS myself, and confident in being myself. Put yourself in their shoes, how many idiotic men are approaching them trying to be something they are not (impressive)? Girls are people too, respect them, be honest with them, and don't be fake around them.

      Yes, there are girls who are material whores, who want men with large bank accounts, fast cars, and won't look at you unless you own at least one expensive suit. Who cares? They are shallow and vapid, and would make a shitty girlfriend (longterm) for a geek. If your looking for a one night stand, they are fine, if your going for anything bigger, then let them be whores (sex for money = whore).

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    73. Re:Password in plaintext email by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      The trick is...you don't put your template together with cliche stuff...start with something you'd write to one person.....leave space to put something personal in it...

      And also...your first email is not going to be a tome telling everything about yourself....you want it to be brief...and leading to meeting in person.

      You WANT to keep emails to the bare minimun....save most of what you want to talk about (mostly her) for doing in person.....keep as much mystery about yoursel...you want HER to statt to want dig in and find out who you are..don't volunteer too much...etc.

      And..you do need to contact as many chicks as possible on these sites....play the numbers game.

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    74. Re:Password in plaintext email by russotto · · Score: 1

      You know, I've heard this repeated so many times, but I can't even get a response from girls on dating websites despite not only having a job, but a well paying job. Yes, I'm a nerd, but still. You'd think I could at least get a response...

      You probably can't change your personality, so you might want to work on the hygiene and clothing angles.

      I'm going to go cry into a wad of cash now.

      Or try posting this on the dating website. Though I'd be worried that anyone who responded to that would have a boyfriend with a blackjack.

    75. Re:Password in plaintext email by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      And one thing I learned.

      For some reason...women look at and notice SHOES. Get a couple of nice pairs of shoes. Dress shoes.at least one pair with laces, and spend at least $170 or more on them.

      Women know shoes....and do notice, often the 1st or 2nd thing about you what is on you feet. I don't understand it, but then again...don't have to, just do it.

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    76. Re:Password in plaintext email by eugene+ts+wong · · Score: 1

      I knew. I'm in the Metro Vancouver area. I've been to many churches, and it's common to have them, as far as I can tell. 1 of them even gives credit towards a college education.

    77. Re:Password in plaintext email by corsec67 · · Score: 1

      This.
      That they even KNEW my password was bad enough, but to express that every single week was just insane. (They should only know a salty-hashed version of my password, and never be able to recover it under any circumstances)

      It is like these people never took security 101!

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    78. Re:Password in plaintext email by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Calling angst out with sarcasm draws the whiner back to reality. The author is brooding and you're spoiling his victim fantasy. Thereby, kicking him while he is down. Ironically it's the kindest thing to do. Last thing this world needs is another professional victim.

      Hard to have sympathy when I'm the one paying off my student loans while he is hiding from life. If anyone is a victim, it's those of us who graduated in to a stagnate job market.

    79. Re:Password in plaintext email by pyrrhonist · · Score: 1

      Go on...

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    80. Re:Password in plaintext email by canadian_right · · Score: 1

      POF has lots of women as it is free, and it has a very simple, useful interface. And a big plus is the number of out right prostitutes is quite low. Depending on what age bracket you are in and your location the quality of available women varies a lot. As you get older the "good ones" really do get taken.

      I found on average I got one response per ten emails sent out. Out of that ten maybe half would seem worth a first coffee date after the usual handful of emails followed by a couple of phone calls. DON'T drag out the emails unless you just want a pen pal. Ask for the phone number after 3 or 4 emails. If the phone calls go ok ask for a date after 2 or 3 calls. DON'T drag things out.

      Don't lie or exaggerate on your profile. Don't be profane or rude. Spelling and grammar counts. Don't brag about guns or body parts. DO tell all the important stuff: kids, goals, etc...

      First dates:

      • 20% out right lied about age, photo, forgot to mention the three kids under age 5, etc...
      • 20% not over the divorce and just complain about ex for an hour
      • 20% gold diggers - this usually is obvious after the first phone call.
      • 30% just no mutual chemistry - that is no ones fault.
      • 10% worth a seconds date.

      Took me 6 years to find anyone I wanted to date more than 4 times, but I'm picky and not the typical macho-male many women seem to want. I'm also over 40 so everyone has baggage, myself included. And if a women seems to have read "The Rules" or otherwise playing games - don't see them again.

      I'm thinking this would not take as long for younger men as there is a higher percentage of single women available, and I imagine most guys are not quite so picky. Nothing like a failed first marriage to teach you want to look for in a good woman.

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    81. Re:Password in plaintext email by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try not being white. And not black.

    82. Re:Password in plaintext email by jjohnson · · Score: 1

      And yet, every day, straight white men without college degrees work at jobs they find meaningful and fuck women they find attractive.

      I knew a guy who placed second in the state wrestling championship in high school, and decided he didn't need college. Then he knocked up his girlfriend and developed a nasty coke habit. Knocked up two other women, one twice. Wrecked everything in his life, and racked up a five figure debt to his dealer.

      I knew him about 15 years after this, at the factory at which I was the IT manager. That guy was the inventory supervisor. He had a wife who ran a basement daycare so good that my brother and his wife used her for their firstborn. On his time off he detailed cars--I paid him $80 to detail mine, and he did a fantastic job of it too. He still received an annual beating from his dealer, but was steadily paying off that debt, so the beating was, at that point, just one good punch to the face. He was looking forward to the first bastard he made turning 18 so that the child support would stop and he'd have some extra money. He never missed a payment on any of his four kids.

      So, you can be a pathetic basement-dwelling pity junkie, or you can deal with the world as it is, rather than how you fantasize it should be, and make your way in it. It's up to you.

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    83. Re:Password in plaintext email by vegiVamp · · Score: 1

      See, that's another of those silly prejudices. I'll have you know that the vatican is an equal opportunity abuser, and that we currently have nuns accused of child molestation, as well.

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    84. Re:Password in plaintext email by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry but your story sucks. It's a story about a guy who didn't go to college and how as a consequence of bad decisions his life was a tedious chore. He would have been better off killing himself the day he graduated highschool cause it truly was the highlight of his life.

      If the complaint this guy is making is that he doesn't feel like he has the opportunity to go to college, the appropriate story to tell is one where someone with less opportunity pulled themselves up by their bootstraps.

      Here, like this:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sqEteyQE2o&feature=related

      He doesn't seem particularly concerned about his financial future. By my reading, he took issue with the glorification of mediocrity, and conspicuous consumption, while those who make shitty decisions vilify him for turning down a bad deal, possibly out of jealousy. His resentment isn't without precedent from those who elect to opt out of student loans.

      Op is essentially taking a 2 year paid vacation by holding out for scholarships. I don't really understand why he is so depressed. Then again, I didn't graduate in '08.

    85. Re:Password in plaintext email by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Meanwhile, in the rest of the civilized world "Sunday School" refers solely to establishments for the religious indoctrination of middle class children.

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      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
    86. Re:Password in plaintext email by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      The guy who runs it makes like $1mil+ a month in ad revenue

      How can you possibly know that? are you his lawyer or accountant or something?

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      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
    87. Re:Password in plaintext email by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      You sound like a fucking sociopath, good luck in your search for true romance.

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      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
    88. Re:Password in plaintext email by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      "In this country, you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the women."

      Tony Montana was right.

      Yeah, follow Tony Montana's rules for life, you can't go wrong.

      --
      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
    89. Re:Password in plaintext email by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      spend 20 minutes cleaning yourself up before you go out - shave, trim your nails, and generally make sure you're presentable. Show up looking like you took that 20 minutes cleaning yourself

      I can't believe that anyone over fourteen needs to be told this.

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    90. Re:Password in plaintext email by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      You seem to be putting way too much thought into all of this, why not just go out and enjoy yourself and see what happens?

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    91. Re:Password in plaintext email by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Or he could just fucking grow up a bit.

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    92. Re:Password in plaintext email by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      He still received an annual beating from his dealer, but was steadily paying off that debt, so the beating was, at that point, just one good punch to the face.

      Who knew drug dealers were so meticulous and reasonable?

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      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
    93. Re:Password in plaintext email by arth1 · · Score: 1

      POF has lots of women as it is free, and it has a very simple, useful interface.

      Are you implying that women are penurious and that interfaces men would use are too complex for them?

      And a big plus is the number of out right prostitutes is quite low.

      ... and that hidden prostitution is better than open?

      I imagine most guys are not quite so picky

      Men may not be as picky with who they fuck. But I believe we are just as, if not more, picky when it comes to marriage. Getting cold feet tends to be a male thing.

    94. Re:Password in plaintext email by Americano · · Score: 1

      It's surprisingly fresh advice for a lot of guys, from what I've heard from female friends who are dating. It seems like "be yourself," often turns into, "be the Sunday morning after a 2-day-bender version of yourself."

    95. Re:Password in plaintext email by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "You sound like a fucking sociopath, good luck in your search for true romance."

      Really? Wow..that's pretty strong language.

      I'm fairly successful, and pretty happy. Am I looking right now for really LONG term, permanent live in or marriage in a woman. No. Not looking for that.

      I like variety...and actually, I like dating multiple women at once, keeps me from getting bored...etc. And yes...I'm up front about this too. If a girl doesn't like that, well, she's free to go on about her merry way and I wish her the best of luck.

      Am I saying I'll never find one and just settle down? No...I'm open to that. I've had several long term (4-7+ year relationships) with women...been engaged once..lived with some...etc. But just never felt with any of them, I could just stay with them forever, that is just not me. I'm still friends and in contact with most of them...

      Anyway, I dunno why the harsh words...meeting, dating, and yes...bedding women, is a skill just like any other a man can learn. And it takes work and study like any other skill, but for some reason, society has made men think it is something that just 'happens'...well, it 'can' but very seldom does.

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    96. Re:Password in plaintext email by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "You seem to be putting way too much thought into all of this, why not just go out and enjoy yourself and see what happens?"

      I DO enjoy myself...but I also enjoy results. I got tired of the old days...going out - nothing. going out - nothing...etc.

      I rather like going out and getting results...numbers, dancing, fun...next dates...and yes...SEX.

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      Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
    97. Re:Password in plaintext email by danbert8 · · Score: 1

      I meant this as a funny comment, but as there were so many inqueries I can give some more info.

      My job pays over 75k/year (pre-tax unfortunately), I am 24, have no debts (already paid off college), own a 1 year old car, and play a decent number of sports. I'm an old fashioned guy, would never cheat on anyone, and have decent manners. My flaws (that I can think of, since no girl will tell you the true reason she won't date you) are that I am pretty awkward until one gets to know me, I tend to be right too much, and maybe I believe in saving sex for marriage (maybe the ladies want sex?).

      Tried POF, never had any luck. I have been on OKCupid for almost a year, and have had a few first dates, many fewer second dates, and no serious relationship. I've sent probably close to 250 messages over the course of the year, maybe got 25 girls that actually responded, maybe 10 of those turned into first dates, and only about 5 into second dates. All my messages were personalized and unique.

      The real problem for me is living in a small town decently far from any metro area. If I lived in a populated area, I'm sure I'd get more matches, but sadly my well paying job is not in a major city.

      Also my standards have not been high thus far, and I've only ruled out drug users and single mothers at this point. But if they can't spell it doesn't attract me (yes, I'm a grammar nazi...). But I'm sure there is someone out there for me.

      In summary, if there are any single ladies on Slashdot that are interested in living in a medium sized town in Ohio. Let me know. (but really, who am I kidding?)

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    98. Re:Password in plaintext email by CCarrot · · Score: 1

      I'd mod you up if I hadn't already posted. Reading your description vs cayenne8's cold calculations, I certainly know who I'd date.

      My husband and I are the same way, we didn't try to hide our warts from each other, even when we first met. I couldn't have cared less what car he drove, or how much money he made, it was his natural openness, kindness and lack of posturing that attracted me in the first place.

      I do appreciate a sense of style and hygiene, but honestly, the uber-dapper fellows that think they're all that because they're wearing a Luis Vuitton jacket, designer clothes and a $200 haircut always turned me off, since their personality tended to be about as deep as their clothing. How many of the women cayenne8 has 'dated' would've actually have agreed to even be in the same room with him if they had had a chance to read about his 'strategies' here? Being two-faced seems to work for some people (read 'salesmen'), but unless your only goal is a quick roll in the hay, it's definitely not a long term option.

      (and yes, I'm a geek girl on /.)

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      "I love animals! Some are cute, others are tasty, what's not to like?" - Betsy Schroeder, Jeopardy contestant
    99. Re:Password in plaintext email by CCarrot · · Score: 1

      Lol - I actually wrote this post in hurry, because I'm working (compile time, ya know ;-)

      Point taken, but if lusting after boobs makes me a deadbeat, then I know I'm not alone! As one of the replies said, deadbeats are the guys that don't shower, work, or have manners.

      Fair enough, however lumping women into categories like 'fatties' and 'uglies' really doesn't say much about you either...or maybe says a little more than you meant to reveal? I know, I know, men are visually oriented, but still, c'mon man!

      And I'm glad you shower, work and have manners, especially while compiling! Good job! ;p

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      "I love animals! Some are cute, others are tasty, what's not to like?" - Betsy Schroeder, Jeopardy contestant
    100. Re:Password in plaintext email by Omestes · · Score: 1

      (and yes, I'm a geek girl on /.)

      Nope. You can't be a girl, Slashdot doesn't have girls, you're on Slashdot, therefore you can't be a girl. The tautology proves it.

      I do appreciate a sense of style and hygiene, but honestly, the uber-dapper fellows that think they're all that because they're wearing a Luis Vuitton jacket, designer clothes and a $200 haircut always turned me off, since their personality tended to be about as deep as their clothing.

      Hygiene is good. I probably would never date someone who completely failed at it. I should have qualified my reply a bit more. Wash your clothes, shower, shampoo, brush your teeth. These shouldn't be mentioned, but knowing some of the geeks I know I suppose it has to be. My best friend, who is a raging nerd, washes his hair less than once a month... Its a bit gross. Somehow he got married (well, I hooked them up), so I guess even that isn't the end of the world.

      Women who over dress, over make-up, and over perfume (IMO any perfume is too much...) are also a bit of a turn off. I live in Arizona and there is a whole horde of women with artificial tans. I'm a nerd, yet I somehow manage to stay tan here by just walking to the car and doing light yard work. Not the scary "leather skin" look that is so chic here though.

      Same thing with fitness. While fit people are generally more attractive, you can over do it. Trying to look like a supermodel is a bit off putting.

      Basically the more work you put into looking good, the more leery I get. There are exceptions, sometimes dressing very well is acceptable (fine dining, etc...), but if your going to IHOP, its a bit scary.

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      A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government. -edward abbey
    101. Re:Password in plaintext email by CCarrot · · Score: 1

      (and yes, I'm a geek girl on /.)

      Nope. You can't be a girl, Slashdot doesn't have girls, you're on Slashdot, therefore you can't be a girl. The tautology proves it.

      Well then you'd better not tell my husband! ;)

      Yes, I fully agree. People who obsess that much about their appearance *every day* are generally more interested in themselves than any potential partner, in my experience. Hygiene is also definitely a plus, as long as they don't take it too far. I prefer a man who's not afraid of a little dirt now and then, and won't freak out if we're camping and he can't wash his hair every day, or even has to (gasp!) wear the same shirt two days in a row...

      Same thing with fitness. While fit people are generally more attractive, you can over do it. Trying to look like a supermodel is a bit off putting.

      Not to mention that love handles are adorable...;)

      btw, how did you like the click-fest to see this reply? I really hope Slashdot fixes this new interface soon, it's so much clunkier than the old one...

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      "I love animals! Some are cute, others are tasty, what's not to like?" - Betsy Schroeder, Jeopardy contestant
    102. Re:Password in plaintext email by Omestes · · Score: 1

      When I was in college I shared a bathroom with a guy who spent around 45 minutes pruning himself every morning and evening. He must have went through $300 of hair product per month, and more in cologne. This was before "metro-sexual" was in the vocabulary. After that I shared the bathroom with a guy who had, literally, a grand worth oral hygiene accessories (he bragged about it, and mocked my $1.50 Target brand toothbrush).

      btw, how did you like the click-fest to see this reply? I really hope Slashdot fixes this new interface soon, it's so much clunkier than the old one...

      If Slashdot was a girl, currently, I would leave her at the curb. I find it very odd that no one seemed to test this 3.0 stuff before rolling it out. Having the ability to display italics is a VERY basic thing, for example. You can mess with the threshold slider instead of hitting every "re:" though, to expand all the comments, a bit easier, but still frustrating.

      Does anyone who re-designed this site, use this site?

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    103. Re:Password in plaintext email by strikethree · · Score: 1

      "Please confirm that you weren't the teacher, and she's not a student in this class..."

      What makes you think it was a "she"?

      (and yet another prescient CAPTCHA: confides)

      --
      "Someone needs to talk to the tree of liberty about its ghoulish drinking problem." by ohnocitizen
    104. Re:Password in plaintext email by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My main problem is that what normal people consider to be a "normal" relationship, I see as "let's keep each other at a comfortable arm's length so that when we break up I can pretend I never cared about you much anyway and tell my friends what a jerk/bitch you were".

    105. Re:Password in plaintext email by _0xd0ad · · Score: 1

      btw, how did you like the click-fest to see this reply? I really hope Slashdot fixes this new interface soon, it's so much clunkier than the old one...

      I have a bookmark called "Slashdot - Open parent tree".

      It looks something like this:

      javascript:for(var%20d=document.getElementsByTagName('div'),i=0,e;i<d.length;i++)if(d[i].className=='currcomment'){e=d[i].id.split('_').pop();i=[e];while(document.getElementById('tree_'+e))i.push(e=document.getElementById('tree_'+e).parentNode.id.split('_').pop());while(i.length>1)if(document.getElementById('tree_'+(e=i.pop()))&&document.getElementById('tree_'+e).className.indexOf('oneline')>=0)D2.setFocusComment(Number(e));setTimeout('D2.selectParent('+i.pop()+');',500);i=d.length;}void(0);

      But yeah, it would be nice if Slashdot would make a "selected" comment automatically open its parent comments. You know, so you could actually see it. And this applies to "unread" comments that get opened by keyboard navigation shortcuts, too...

    106. Re:Password in plaintext email by Toze · · Score: 1

      I wish I could post and mod. I'll have to be satisfied with a post and nod; I've got a $250 pair of leather shoes I use when I want to inspire lust. ;3

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    107. Re:Password in plaintext email by CCarrot · · Score: 1

      Does anyone who re-designed this site, use this site?

      The evidence would suggest not, unless the admin interface is substantially different (and less buggy) than the casual user interface...

      Thanks for the tip on the slider, by the way! I hadn't bothered to try it, since it was always showing full comments even when the only comment visible was the root. Grabbing it and wiggling it back and forth to shake open the tree sure saves a lot of clicks, but still doesn't help my poor, poor scroll wheel...

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    108. Re:Password in plaintext email by CCarrot · · Score: 1

      Yikes! That's alotta script, just to see the parent comments!

      But yeah, it would be nice if Slashdot would make a "selected" comment automatically open its parent comments. You know, so you could actually see it. And this applies to "unread" comments that get opened by keyboard navigation shortcuts, too...

      You got that right. I also wouldn't mind seeing at least the stubs of all replies to a selected comment...right now, if two or more people reply to a comment, we have to play the "let's find the reply" game on each one individually...it's as painful as having to connect phone calls one at a time through an old-fashioned switchboard, when what I really come here for is the cool conference call features...

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      "I love animals! Some are cute, others are tasty, what's not to like?" - Betsy Schroeder, Jeopardy contestant
    109. Re:Password in plaintext email by religious+freak · · Score: 1

      Eh, I'm a shallow bastard I guess. I can't stand a chick with no brains, but I don't like fat chicks or ugly chicks either. Luckily, I'm born with decent genetics by luck of the draw so I can afford to be a little picky. Also, generally speaking, I think most guys would do exactly the same thing (and definitely most women), they may just be more indirect in how they classify their actions. But this is the Internets so crass comments are the norm.

      Plus I'm an incurable smartass.

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    110. Re:Password in plaintext email by _0xd0ad · · Score: 1

      Yikes! That's alotta script, just to see the parent comments!

      The current incarnation of it is "Slashdot - Fix discussion keybindings" and looks like this:

      javascript:if(window._k);else{window._k=function(e){try{if(e.target.tagName=='TEXTAREA'||e.target.tagName=='INPUT'||String('\rADFGSW\xbc\xbe\xdb\xdd').indexOf(String.fromCharCode(e.keyCode))<1)return;}catch(e){};var%20t=setTimeout(function(){for(var%20z=document,d=z.getElementsByTagName('div'),i=0,e,c=0;i<d.length;i++)if(d[i].className=='currcomment'){e=d[i].id.split('_').pop();i=[e];while(z.getElementById('tree_'+e)&&z.getElementById('tree_'+e).parentNode.id!='commentlisting')i.push(e=z.getElementById('tree_'+e).parentNode.id.split('_').pop());while(i.length>1)if(z.getElementById('tree_'+(e=i.pop()))&&z.getElementById('tree_'+e).className.indexOf('oneline')>=0)D2.setFocusComment(Number(e));setTimeout('D2.selectParent('+i.pop()+');',100);i=d.length;}},100);};window.addEventListener("keydown",window._k,false);window._k();};void(0);

      But, you only need to click the bookmark once per page now (not once per post that you should see and don't...).

      It's ... mostly not too glitchy.

      It seems like it should be a greasemonkey script. But I'm not much good at writing those.

      I also wouldn't mind seeing at least the stubs of all replies to a selected comment...right now, if two or more people reply to a comment, we have to play the "let's find the reply" game on each one individually...

      Yeah, that would be nice.

    111. Re:Password in plaintext email by CCarrot · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that would be nice.

      Aha! I was going to ask you how you got italics when the <i> tags aren't working, but I see you used <em> tags instead. Cool, thanks!

      Also, thanks for sharing your script, I'll have to try it when I get a chance. Hopefully (fingers crossed) it won't be needed for too much longer...

      Cheers!

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      "I love animals! Some are cute, others are tasty, what's not to like?" - Betsy Schroeder, Jeopardy contestant
  5. Torrent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Post torrent to the data or it didn't happen! (too soon?)

  6. Your mom... by meerling · · Score: 4, Funny

    So an immature but technically competent jerk cracked you computers and is now trying to get your companies lunch money, metaphorically. Your response is, among other things, to tell his mom.
    O_o
    You know, that sounds about right.

    1. Re:Your mom... by jd · · Score: 1

      Strange. I thought it sounded more like a line from Regular Show.

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      It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
    2. Re:Your mom... by Demonantis · · Score: 1

      I wish the world worked that way. Instead of people being all sue happy. It would be more about what is justice then who has the most money.

  7. Not surprised by Zexarious · · Score: 1

    Not surprised that site got hacked and is full of incompetent developers and people. If you go there every other sentence has some huge grammatical error in it. The guy running it is completely illiterate. The design is horrible too. I'm sure nobody there knows what's going on at all! Who uses MSSQL?!? Get for real. I thought it was funny that the sentence 'there is a serial killer murdering people from the website' was said all non-nonchalantly in the article.

    1. Re:Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      ...If you go there every other sentence has some huge grammatical error in it. The guy running it is completely illiterate.... Get for real.

      Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, wouldn't you say? Your grammar is not exactly tip top yourself... What the hell does "Get for real" mean, I mean, in a proper english sense.

    2. Re:Not surprised by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 1

      Who uses MSSQL?!?

      Lol. Professionals? I suppose instead they should use some open source DB? You _totally_ know what you're talking about, dude.

    3. Re:Not surprised by Joe+U · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Who uses MSSQL?!?

      The same groups that use Oracle and Sybase. People who care about database performance and support.

    4. Re:Not surprised by Zexarious · · Score: 2

      Is that why we're commenting on a story about how that thing got hacked in like 4 seconds by some argentinian guy and his mom?

    5. Re:Not surprised by Anachragnome · · Score: 1

      "...I thought it was funny that the sentence 'there is a serial killer murdering people from the website' was said all non-nonchalantly in the article."

      One of those cases where the tangent is more interesting then the original thread, if you asked me.

    6. Re:Not surprised by Joe+U · · Score: 1

      You sound like you think SQL injection attacks have something to do with database platforms and not poorly written application code.

  8. What I would like to know... by benjymouse · · Score: 1

    How would a "security researcher" know that a SQL injection bug was being actively exploited if he just uncovered the bug himself?

    This sounds a bit odd as using a SQL injection to expose the users' details would require you to deliberately manipulate querystring parameters or form fields. The results will display in your own browser. How would he know whether anyone else were doing this? Was it because he really didn't uncover it himself but found the 30.000 users' details somewhere else?

    No, this sounds a lot more like someone mildly proficient (you can use automated tools to find SQL injections so this is just one level above script kiddie) found a bug and wanted to capitalize on it. To underline the seriousness he embellished a little on the "being actively exploited".

    I take it that POF has server logs and that they can tell from those whether anyone else exploited the bug.

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    1. Re:What I would like to know... by arth1 · · Score: 1

      We only have the site owner's word for the claim that the hacker claimed it was actively exploited.

      Does this web site operator really strike you as the most trustworthy of characters?
      (Not that we have any reason to trust Mr. Russo either -- that's the point, it doesn't have to be black and white.)

      Take a step back and look at the few things we DO know:
      - The site employed poor security practices
      - The site was hacked
      - The hacker contacted the site owner

      Anything beyond this is at this point hearsay.

    2. Re:What I would like to know... by dmesg0 · · Score: 1

      What he says is that this kind of vulnerability is actively exploited by hackers, not necessarily on this particular site. It's not something very specific to the site, but a common technique, so the site is under very high risk.

    3. Re:What I would like to know... by Ash+Vince · · Score: 2

      We only have the site owner's word for the claim that the hacker claimed it was actively exploited.

      Does this web site operator really strike you as the most trustworthy of characters?
      (Not that we have any reason to trust Mr. Russo either -- that's the point, it doesn't have to be black and white.)

      Take a step back and look at the few things we DO know:
      - The site employed poor security practices
      - The site was hacked
      - The hacker contacted the site owner

      Anything beyond this is at this point hearsay.

      Conducting unrequested and unauthorised penetration testing is a criminal offence, and that should always be the case. Otherwise you could have too many people who get caught hacking and then just hide behind the excuse that they were just doing some penetration testing and were going to notify the site owners if they found anything.

      The reality is that a large number of sites out there have vulnerabilities as not every site can afford to have their site penetration tested on a regular basis. Coders can do their best but they are only human, and hence they occasionally make mistakes. It only takes a single mistake made on a Friday afternoon while the office was winding down and you can be vulnerable.

      Not every business model can support the profit margins needed to support expert code reviews and penetration testing of every new release, especially while the entire economy shrinks and both companies and the public have less money to spend. Since creating an absolutely secure site is both very expensive and often not entirely understood by management it is a very easy corner to cut.

      Hacking a site you have nothing to do with and then contacting the owner to offer your security services in return for payment is a little too close to extortion for my liking.

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    4. Re:What I would like to know... by Stiletto · · Score: 1

      The reality is that a large number of businesses out there do not have front doors, or keep their doors wide open, as not every business can afford to have their office facilities penetration tested on a regular basis. Maintenance staff can do their best but they are only human, and hence they occasionally make mistakes. It only takes a single mistake made on a Friday afternoon while the office was winding down and you can be vulnerable.

      Not every business model can support the profit margins needed to purchase doors, close them, and lock them, and penetration testing of every building entry and exit, especially while the entire economy shrinks and both companies and the public have less money to spend. Since creating an absolutely secure facility is both very expensive and often not entirely understood by management it is a very easy corner to cut.

    5. Re:What I would like to know... by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      Emailing your users their passwords in plain text suggests that someone needs to learn some basic things about security, since he doesn't seem to me to be taking reasonable steps to comply with data protection laws.

    6. Re:What I would like to know... by Ash+Vince · · Score: 1

      Emailing your users their passwords in plain text suggests that someone needs to learn some basic things about security, since he doesn't seem to me to be taking reasonable steps to comply with data protection laws.

      Not sure about the US as I am a resident of the UK but our data protection laws do not prohibit sending a user their username and password in plaintext via email. I would be very surprised if any countries laws prohibit this as a great many sites send password reminders if you forget your details.

      Sending an unrequested reminder on a weekly basis is however somewhat stupid but you did not mention that aspect in your post.

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    7. Re:What I would like to know... by Ash+Vince · · Score: 1

      The main difference is that any old fool can tell if a door is left open, but penetration testing requires specialist skill and is very expensive.

      If you can find me a professional penetration testing company who charge the same hourly rate as we currently pay a janitor to go round at night and check the doors are all locked then I will give them a shitload of business and you can have a referral fee of £500. Janitors cost about £8 per hour here in London at most.

      Also, if a door is left open at night the first person in the next day can easily tell, securing a website is not so easy.

      So you analogy was utterly worthless from every perspective.

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  9. sounds like extortion, assuming the email is legit by seifried · · Score: 2

    Assuming the Plentyoffish guy isn't lying (a definite possibility): http://plentyoffish.wordpress.com/2011/01/31/plentyoffish-hacked/ states:

    They then start talking about money because they need to incorporate a company that can deal with companies outside of Argentina and that will cost $15,000. They also needed to know if they were going to make over $100k/year or 500k/year as that would require different registrations

    I just looked it up online and found no mention of needing different incorporation types for dealing with customers only in Argentina vs. external to Argentina, The highest fee I found online (although I'm sure there are companies willing to charge more) was USD $1760 to form a "Sociedad Anónima" vs. USD $1370 to form a "Sociedad de Responsabilidad Limitada" (sounds like a standard Limited Liability Corporation, but I'm not an Argentine business lawyer so I could be wrong), far short of the $15,000 they are asking for.

  10. Hyphens by Barefoot+Monkey · · Score: 3, Funny

    I realise that this is somewhat off-topic, but it can't be a good idea to have a dating site with a domain name that reads as "plenty offish". When will people learn to use hyphens in domain names?

    1. Re:Hyphens by arth1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ask the good people at penisland, expertsexchange and powergenitalia that :)

    2. Re:Hyphens by Stregano · · Score: 1

      LOL, I know about experts-exchange since I have been there, but the other 2 I can't figure out outside of the awesomeness that they are in this context

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    3. Re:Hyphens by arth1 · · Score: 2

      Yes, expertsexchange.com wisely changed their name to experts-exchange.
      I'm not sure whether pen-island and powergen-italia.it have done the same. :)

    4. Re:Hyphens by jd · · Score: 1

      Why bother with hyphens? plenty.of.fish doesn't use any more characters and is arguably more readable. Yes, it means you have to worry about "fish" being taken, but fish.co is currently listed as available (it's a parked address) so plenty.of.fish.co would be a perfectly good registration. For now.

      The main benefit of having it done like this is that whoever owns fish.co can resell names from that without conflicting with their own site. You can't really do the same with offish.com.

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    5. Re:Hyphens by SockPuppetOfTheWeek · · Score: 0

      The main benefit of having it done like this is that whoever owns fish.co can resell names from that without conflicting with their own site.

      Then the owner of "fish.co" notices that "plenty.of.fish.co" is getting a ton of hits, and decides the fee just quadrupled for the "plenty.of." subdomain he's been renting to you...

      Enabling cyber-squatting isn't a "benefit".

    6. Re:Hyphens by jd · · Score: 1

      There is no current owner of fish.co, so plenty.of.fish could buy it.

      Second, it's not cyber-squatting if you're selling a subdomain. I'd regard it as far more ethical and far more in line with the notion of a domain heirarchy to encourage even-handed reselling of subdomains.

      Third, why would there be any track of hits? There may be a certain number of hostname lookups (not usually tracked by anyone), but nobody would go through anyone else. All the fish.co owner would be doing is renting a prefix, just the same as any top level domain owner does.

      Fourth, if I wanted to call foul on DNS abuse, I'd call foul on having businesses own one domain name per product plus their own corporate domain name, all coming directly off the TLD. It makes reusing common words extremely difficult, it clutters the TLD, it makes searches slow, and it is bloody stupid. It also isolates the product from the brand, effectively de-branding what is being sold, which even hurts those following the practice.

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    7. Re:Hyphens by SockPuppetOfTheWeek · · Score: 0

      There is no current owner of fish.co, so plenty.of.fish could buy it.

      But why would they want to? They have nothing to do with fish, even! It's only part of their name because it's a figure of speech!

      I find the notion that you should lump together a bunch of unrelated websites under the same "fish" domain name simply because they all wanted to use that as the last word in their website's address to be completely nonsensical.

      Second, it's not cyber-squatting if you're selling a subdomain

      It is cyber squatting if somebody registers the "fish.co" domain in the hopes that somebody comes along who wants to rent a subdomain. And a subdomain heirarchy of unrelated sites, as you described it, is just waiting for someone to come along and do just that.

      Third, why would there be any track of hits?

      Why wouldn't there? Just make all your subdomain renters include your tracking script in their page, hosted on its very own little subdomain of the same domain. Or even if you don't track them, you just happen to hear a story about them on Slashdot and figure "you know, maybe I'm not charging them enough..."

      in line with the notion of a domain heirarchy to encourage even-handed reselling of subdomains

      I'm all for subdomains, when it makes logical sense. Having a whole bunch of state websites under *.state.us.gov would make sense. Putting plenty.of.fish on the same domain as swedish.fish makes no sense. None.

      Hell, just take a look at the Google results for websites whose names end in "fish.com". Aquarium supplies, some ska-punk band, mechanical contractors, a botique, the dating site... strange bedfellows, indeed!

    8. Re:Hyphens by MechaStreisand · · Score: 1

      Penisland probably hasn't, as their name is spelled without a hyphen on purpose. Too bad their pens are never in stock.

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    9. Re:Hyphens by Mr+Z · · Score: 1

      And don't forget molestationnursery... (Of course, they did eventually change their domain to molerivernusery. The old one goes to some NSFW domain yoinker.)

    10. Re:Hyphens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.ferrethandjobs.com

      Ferreth and Jobs are doing well, but those poor ferrets...

  11. Plenty of Fish was never secure by Japong · · Score: 2

    Tried Plenty of Fish for a shortwhile - as a default, the service will mail 'new matches' to the email account you registered with every few days. These emails contain a a plain-text version of your password (which essentially reads as "Remember, your password is :XXXX123").

    It's not entirely surprising that the site had its security compromised.

    1. Re:Plenty of Fish was never secure by Digicrat · · Score: 1

      Indeed.

      No secure site should even have the ability to read your plaintext password from the database, let alone email it to you on a regular basis. The only (potentially) secure password database is the one that's encrypted with a one-way hash.

    2. Re:Plenty of Fish was never secure by sorak · · Score: 1

      As a side, when gawker got hacked, they had the one-way hash, and either no salt, or a known/guessable salt. Simple passwords have still been discovered, via a dictionary attack. So, you were right to put (potentially) in there.

    3. Re:Plenty of Fish was never secure by sangreal66 · · Score: 1

      Gawker's hash was salted with a random 2-digit string. The salt was known because it is included in the hash (standard behavior -- you need the salt in order to reproduce the hash when the user enters the password). The problem is a salt isn't really a protection against a brute force or dictionary attack on a single one-way hash. A salt is used to prevent you from using the results of your efforts on one hash on another hash. It's a defense against pre-computed rainbow tables (generating every possible hash), as you need a separate rainbow table for each salt value requiring significantly more space.

      In short, in Gawker's case, two people with the password 'password' would have 2 different hashes, but if you ran a dictionary attack on each of them it wouldn't take any time at all to figure out that both passwords are the same. While you have to reproduce the effort twice, that effort is trivial. That is why they were able to point out all the users with simple passwords but not decrypt the entire database. You could still, however, simply brute force any single user in the database if you so choose.

  12. Before commenting, read Russo's response. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    n/t

  13. Re:sounds like extortion, assuming the email is le by Zerth · · Score: 1

    If I got an email that looked like:

    Hi, I'm a security researcher from Buenos Aires, Argentina.

    The Last Friday 21 of Januray, we discovered a vulnerability in www.plentyoffish.com exposing users details, including usernames, addresses, phone numbers, real names, email addresses, passwords in plain text, and in most of cases, paypal accounts, of more than 28,000,000 (twenty eight million users). This vulnerability was under active explotation by hackers.

    I'd assume it was somebody trying to scam me.

  14. Who's winning/losing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On most stories like this I think, hey, the bad guys are winning, because they're top-notch hackers. In this story, I'm thinking, hey, the stupid guys are losing, because they're really stupid.

  15. The security reasearcher's story by wiredog · · Score: 1

    here.

    I bet PoF used double Rot-13 encryption.

    1. Re:The security reasearcher's story by suso · · Score: 1

      I bet PoF used double Rot-13 encryption.

      Wow, that sounds like a very secure algorithm, where can I get it?

  16. Markus' Email to Chris Russo by Japong · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Quoted from Russo's response:

    If this data goes public I am going to email every single effected user on Plentyoffish your phone number, email address and picture. And tell them you hacked into their accounts.

    Then i'm going to sue you In Canada, US and UK and argintina. I am going to completely destroy your life, no one is ever going to hire you for anything again, this isn't piratebay and we definately aren't fooling around.

    Markus.

    1. Re:Markus' Email to Chris Russo by royallthefourth · · Score: 1

      I'm sure Chris Russo's attorney would have quite a fun time talking about the libel were Markus to actually sue after doing such a thing.

    2. Re:Markus' Email to Chris Russo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm. Perhaps 4chan needs to intercede on that fuckwit markus.

    3. Re:Markus' Email to Chris Russo by papasui · · Score: 1

      Not really libel if he actually did it. Just sayin.

    4. Re:Markus' Email to Chris Russo by papasui · · Score: 1

      In summary, if you act like a fucktard to the wrong people, they might do bad things to you. Karma

    5. Re:Markus' Email to Chris Russo by ocdscouter · · Score: 1

      Why 'argintina', I wonder?

    6. Re:Markus' Email to Chris Russo by El_Muerte_TDS · · Score: 1

      Maybe because said hacker is from Argentina

    7. Re:Markus' Email to Chris Russo by gfreeman · · Score: 1

      Perhaps it's a country that's definately been effected.

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    8. Re:Markus' Email to Chris Russo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " we definately aren't fooling around."

      doesn't make the website very compelling, does it?

      I expect nothing but fooling around on dating websites.

    9. Re:Markus' Email to Chris Russo by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      It's a country maybe that POF operates in (possibly with an office set up there) and would be friendly to their lawsuit?

    10. Re:Markus' Email to Chris Russo by sik0fewl · · Score: 1

      It's east of chili, duh.

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    11. Re:Markus' Email to Chris Russo by omglolbah · · Score: 1

      In the UK it can be libel even if it is true.

      That is one of the reasons so many assbags(alleged) sue there ;)

    12. Re:Markus' Email to Chris Russo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think you want him calling your mom, you might get grounded..

  17. That *was* the traditional penalty by billstewart · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Back when Cheswick and Bellovin were doing the original Bell Labs firewalls, and caught a Dutch teenager trying to hack into their site, the Netherlands didn't have any computer security laws that made it illegal. "So we called his mom...."

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    1. Re:That *was* the traditional penalty by Kizeh · · Score: 1

      Happened to us at work in the '90s. That being said, having a few officers knock on the door of a suburban home and having a discussion with the parents about the possible felonies the family's offspring is engaged in seemed to have the desired effect.

    2. Re:That *was* the traditional penalty by dutchwhizzman · · Score: 1

      I happen to know that "teenager". He dried up pretty well behind his ears and is doing well in ICT these days.

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  18. Aren't all Dating sites more or less hacked? by McNihil · · Score: 1

    Who in their right mind believes anything on plentyoffish.com, match.com, date.com, cupid.com, eharmony.com... All they are optimized to do is to increase the likelihood NOT to find the correct partner so as to get as much free money as possible. Not doing it this way would be an epic loss of opportunity from a business point of view.

    1. Re:Aren't all Dating sites more or less hacked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's pretty much bullshit. The polished sites like match.com work quite well if you're willing to be honest, put in some time, and go on more than a few dates. That's how I met my fiancee.

      If a pay service *never* worked the word would spread around pretty quickly.

    2. Re:Aren't all Dating sites more or less hacked? by Chalex · · Score: 1

      First, OKCupid is free. Second, what you're saying is that car manufacturers should sell us cars that break down after a year so that we're forced to buy new working cars? That's not how it works.

    3. Re:Aren't all Dating sites more or less hacked? by morari · · Score: 2

      Second, what you're saying is that car manufacturers should sell us cars that break down after a year so that we're forced to buy new working cars? That's not how it works.

      Actually, I'm pretty sure that is how it works. Cars are not terribly reliable contraptions, and purposefully so.

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    4. Re:Aren't all Dating sites more or less hacked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's not how it works.

      Unfamiliar with the term planned obsolescence?

    5. Re:Aren't all Dating sites more or less hacked? by BBTaeKwonDo · · Score: 2

      As a general rule, cars have been getting more and more reliable every year. They don't make them like they used to, and that's a good thing. Are there still preventable defects in cars? Sure, but they're getting fewer and farther between.

    6. Re:Aren't all Dating sites more or less hacked? by Gramie2 · · Score: 1

      You should look up "planned obsolescence". That's exactly how it works (albeit not on a yearly cycle).

    7. Re:Aren't all Dating sites more or less hacked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. You would be surprised how much science goes into writing up those pesky warranties. The people that are good at it can figure out to the day when it will break/go bad and the warranty ends directly afterwards. So, yeah they can create cars that last for 50+ years, but don't because a) the parts and manufacturing process would be too expensive, and b) there's no recurring business model.

    8. Re:Aren't all Dating sites more or less hacked? by cbhacking · · Score: 1

      OkCupid and PlentyOfFish are both free sites. The OKC blog (called OkTrends) has some pretty cool analysis of why paid dating sites are in fact a ripoff, but that's not relevant here.

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    9. Re:Aren't all Dating sites more or less hacked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First, OKCupid is free. Second, what you're saying is that car manufacturers should sell us cars that break down after a year so that we're forced to buy new working cars? That's not how it works.

      Well why do you think they killed the electric car?

    10. Re:Aren't all Dating sites more or less hacked? by PRMan · · Score: 1

      You didn't buy a Ford in the 90s, did you?

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    11. Re:Aren't all Dating sites more or less hacked? by guyminuslife · · Score: 1

      Well, considering that:

      1) Your chances of finding "the one" out of any given sample of human beings, even selecting for particularly "compatible" traits, is very low
      2) Sites like OkCupid need their customers to find people who are, at the very least, passable by whatever their standards are in order to maintain that customer base
      3) Nobody has written a matching algorithm so good that, "By golly, we're such good matchmakers, we're putting ourselves out of business!" And if they did, it wouldn't put them out of business, it would just increase their cachet and get a lot of people on the site by word-of-mouth. ...I'd say you're full of crap.

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    12. Re:Aren't all Dating sites more or less hacked? by WATist · · Score: 1

      No, what they do is sell cars that need major work after 4 years or so many 1000 miles (end of warranty.) There are also parts companies who make parts that break right after the warranty runs out.

    13. Re:Aren't all Dating sites more or less hacked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, what they do is sell cars that need major work after 4 years or so many 1000 miles (end of warranty.) There are also parts companies who make parts that break right after the warranty runs out.

      You should be ok though, because that tinfoil hat will protect you.

      Seriously, this is entirely false.

      Present evidence to support your claims, or be legitimately branded a crackpot.

    14. Re:Aren't all Dating sites more or less hacked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually , thats backwards ..

      They make the part , figure out when it breaks the most , THEN define how long the warranty should be based on how expensive it is to fix repair /replace the item/unit ..

    15. Re:Aren't all Dating sites more or less hacked? by Rakishi · · Score: 1

      Just because you suck at dating and being an attractive human being doesn't mean it's the site's faults.

      Online dating is a field with a decent amount of competition, as a result any site that did what you claim would be bankrupt very quickly. Why? Because people will try five sites and never recommend the ones that are shit. Then when they're single again, welcome to life, they'll avoid those sites as well.

      OKCupid went one step further and made it so that even if you're not single there's a reason to stay on their site. Tests, finding friends, forums and so on.

    16. Re:Aren't all Dating sites more or less hacked? by McNihil · · Score: 1

      Within seven years it will be clear that my postulation is more right than anyone would like to think. The amount of relationships that last more than 18 years from these kind of sites will have statistical significance in comparison to traditional marital approaches.

      I would agree with you that if everyone that uses these kind of sites knew what a good relationship is then it would be good, however I have found it to be a breeding ground of plants, whores/gigolos and psychopaths to a grander degree than anything else... "I" can not be so lucky to hit upon these kinds of personalities unless there is some underlying bias (not site specific.) I also do understand that there are many users out there that wear VERY rosy sunglasses when they uses these sites (a multitude of my women friends and some males) ... and where I have had to pick up the pieces after botched relationships that should have never started in the first place... where I sit in disbelief to their reasoning going into the relationships. Most recently case in point, she will be marrying in less than a months time that is 100% destined to a divorce and she is completely and utterly oblivious because her previous relationship was complete waste of time... ok so she has fallen for the relativism trap... but only because of the bad setup from a supposedly extremely reputable matching company.

      Sadly I am not full of crap as some others have responded, I know how these con-artist-site work and everybody should stay away from them.

    17. Re:Aren't all Dating sites more or less hacked? by Rakishi · · Score: 1

      So, basically you and your friends are all idiots incapable of dealing with mature relationships logically so you blame the websites. After all, picking up random people in a bar is so much more reliable of method and never leads to problems.

      You know the truth? Many relationships suck period. That's life. You keep trying and dating till you find one that doesn't. Historically you simply married someone quickly and then resented them for the rest of your life while social stigma kept you from divorcing. But we're in more enlightened times nowadays.

      Dating sites aren't some magical black box that gives you a perfect match. They do however give you people who are similar to you and are more likely to meet your criteria. Beyond that it's up to you. You get people, you date, you see and then you try again if they're not right.

      My friends and me have had great success with them. Then again we're all generally rational, know what we want, have experience in what we want and aren't utter wastes of human flesh.

      Your real problem it seems is that you've got the whole puritan mindset drilled into your head. You want to get married, period. Nothing else is of any value. That's going to fail pretty much every time. Look at the divorce and infidelity rates out there. My friends, they were all after relationships. If it didn't work out they'd break up and try again. If it did then after many years they might get married.

  19. Re:sounds like extortion, assuming the email is le by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Assuming the Plentyoffish guy isn't lying (a definite possibility): http://plentyoffish.wordpress.com/2011/01/31/plentyoffish-hacked/ states:

    I'm not sure if he's telling the truth, but I am sure we'll need to wait until the paranoid cocaine binge he was on when writing that is over to find out.

  20. NEW HIGH SCORE! by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    This breaks the previous record for the most logins compromised at once by a factor of 3 (beating Trapster's 10 million)

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  21. They contacted me this afternoon... by Burnhard · · Score: 1

    They've changed all passwords due to the attack (I got a fresh, random one). I have a vague worry that my email address will turn up somewhere I don't want it to, but apart from that there's no other useful personal information on my profile, which, when I come to think of it is kind-of ironic for a dating site :p.

  22. Sorry to hear that your grammar died. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Here is an *incomplete* list of corrections:

    "Not surprised that site got hacked and is full of incompetent developers and people."
    should be:
    "I'm not surprised that the site got hacked, and is run by incompetent developers and people."
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    "If you go there every other sentence has some huge grammatical error in it."
    should be:
    "Every other sentence on the site contains a huge grammatical error."
    (I'm guessing that you didn't really mean that the grammatical errors are conditional, and only appear when you go to the site.)
    ---
    "The design is horrible too."
    should be:
    "The design is horrible, too."
    ---
    "Get for real."
    I believe the phrase you're looking for is:
    "Get real."
    ---
    "I thought it was funny that the sentence 'there is a serial killer murdering people from the website' was said all non-nonchalantly in the article."
    should be:
    "I think it's funny that he so nonchalantly wrote, "... there was a serial killer, murdering people from the website."
    or probably more appropriately, leave the quote out:
    "I think it's funny that he so nonchalantly mentioned that there was a serial killer murdering his users."

  23. Bad Title by Galestar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    He didn't email the hacker's mother, he emailed the security researcher's mother. Some unknown party hacked his website, and he blames the security researcher that was going out of his way to assist them in closing the vulnerability. After reading the researchers take on this, POF CEO could possibly be facing criminal charges for uttering death threats, harassment and perhaps a civil libel suit.

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    1. Re:Bad Title by mr+exploiter · · Score: 1

      He didn't email the hacker's mother, he emailed the security researcher's mother. Some unknown party hacked his website, and he blames the security researcher that was going out of his way to assist them in closing the vulnerability. After reading the researchers take on this, POF CEO could possibly be facing criminal charges for uttering death threats, harassment and perhaps a civil libel suit.

      No, read again the article. He is accusing the security researcher of hacking the site. Technically he may be right, as making a security audit of a site without permission is indistinguishable from a hacking attempt from the site owner's point of view.

    2. Re:Bad Title by Galestar · · Score: 1

      I think you need to read the researchers side of the story
      http://grumomedia.com/plenty-of-fish-hacked-chris-russos-explains-how-he-did-it/

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  24. huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Second, what you're saying is that car manufacturers should sell us cars that break down after a year so that we're forced to buy new working cars? That's not how it works.

    Actually, I'm pretty sure that is how it works. Cars are not terribly reliable contraptions, and purposefully so.

    ...looks out at twelve-year-old car in parking lot...

    Maybe you're not holding it right.

    Seriously, I own two cars, one is 12 years old, the other is 10 years old. Both run and drive like new.

  25. PlentyofFish.com Hacked, Blames Messenger by Qlither · · Score: 2

    *Headline taken from : http://www.krebsonsecurity.com/

    A much easier headline.

    Despite the term hacker not defining whether good or bad, instead only indicating circumvention of computer security. It has been used so virally in the media, that it now tends to infer that a malicious hack was carried out. In short the headline "PlentyofFish Hacked Founder Emails Hackers Mom"seems to suggest that the founder of PlentyofFish had found the person who breached his servers and then emailed their mother. However that is not the case.

    https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Hacker

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    -1 is for flame bait and trolls, not because you disagree with someone.
  26. Markus is acting like a bureaucrat... by moronikos · · Score: 1

    I have an account. I logged in some time last week and it said my password had expired and I needed to change it. The change screen was sort of crappy and I was able to "reset" my password to the old password. If the rat b@st@rd had said "we've been hacked and you need to change your password", well, I would have changed my password to something else. But, just a simple expiration? Well, really not a reason to change my password.

    Bureaucrats get caught with their pants down, don't come clean for a while, and then they go and blame everyone else for their screw ups.

    Markus, take a hint. Don't send people's passwords to them in an e-mail once or more a week. Geez... Now, I do have a reason to change my password.

    1. Re:Markus is acting like a bureaucrat... by cyclomedia · · Score: 1

      I remember getting that screen and it being such a shit hackjob (even more so than the rest of the site) that I double triple checked the URL and everything just to make sure it wasn't a MITM attempt at password stealing. And then continued to change my password to the old one, just like you. Nice

      --
      If you don't risk failure you don't risk success.
    2. Re:Markus is acting like a bureaucrat... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I echo your comment. I thought something was fishy and also double-checked the URL, as this has never happened to me as a long-time user of the website. And I also did the same thing.

      Now I'll update it to something else entirely.

  27. gas station by papasui · · Score: 1

    There's a gas station by my house that likes to to put the names of people that bounced checks along with all their contact info on a great big billboard for the entire city to see. It's pretty entertaining.

    1. Re:gas station by roju · · Score: 1

      Kind of a dick move, given that cheques have enough info on them for identify theft.

  28. Typical CEO by Stiletto · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Reading both accounts of the story (one from the CEO, the other from the security expert), it seems to be a case of "who do you believe". All we truly know is that the site was hacked, these guys were involved somehow, and now they're mad at each other. Everything else is just based on what one side or the other says.

    That said, looking through the blog postings of the CEO, he strikes me as having the classic case of paranoid narcissist personality disorder. Every other posting is a rant about how his competitors are all out to get him. Everything they do is about HIM and a response to HIS business. When eHarmony does something, it's not just an innocent business expansion, it's a direct personal attack on this guy. I've worked with presidents and CEOs who use similar wording to this CEO in their daily speech, and whose nuances and mannerisms seem to match this guy's perfectly. Although my examples are only anecdotal, I'd be willing to bet this disorder is quite common among business leaders.

    Not knowing more about the situation and only having their two accounts to go with, I would probably fall on the side of believing the security expert's account more, just looking at the level of paranoia and exaggeration in the CEO's blogging history.

    1. Re:Typical CEO by mr+exploiter · · Score: 1

      Reading both accounts of the story (one from the CEO, the other from the security expert), it seems to be a case of "who do you believe". All we truly know is that the site was hacked, these guys were involved somehow, and now they're mad at each other. Everything else is just based on what one side or the other says.

      That said, looking through the blog postings of the CEO, he strikes me as having the classic case of paranoid narcissist personality disorder. Every other posting is a rant about how his competitors are all out to get him. Everything they do is about HIM and a response to HIS business. When eHarmony does something, it's not just an innocent business expansion, it's a direct personal attack on this guy. I've worked with presidents and CEOs who use similar wording to this CEO in their daily speech, and whose nuances and mannerisms seem to match this guy's perfectly. Although my examples are only anecdotal, I'd be willing to bet this disorder is quite common among business leaders.

      Not knowing more about the situation and only having their two accounts to go with, I would probably fall on the side of believing the security expert's account more, just looking at the level of paranoia and exaggeration in the CEO's blogging history.

      Given that the "security researcher" is the same a**hole that hacked the piratebay, and that he performed a security audit of the site without the owner's permission, I'm inclined to go with the CEO's side of the story unless real evidence is presented by the hacker/security researcher.

    2. Re:Typical CEO by sunderland56 · · Score: 1

      Reading both accounts of the story (one from the CEO, the other from the security expert), it seems to be a case of "who do you believe".

      One is a fellow geek.

      One is a suit, i.e. someone who gets rich on the backs of geek labor.

      This is slashdot. Who do you think we'll side with?

    3. Re:Typical CEO by ukyoCE · · Score: 1

      Security researchers look around for security holes, that is hardly news. They're also way too public to actually hack/crack into a site. That's illegal and leads directly to jail. Meanwhile, how would the CEO even know *who* hacked the site? Did he triangulate their position with his ethernet prowess? At best he can claim the researcher made the security hole known and someone else took advantage of it -- if he's claiming more than that, he's plain nuts.

  29. Re:sounds like extortion, assuming the email is le by Stiletto · · Score: 1

    Really?? You would, assume any notification of a security breach to be fraudulent until proven otherwise? What web site do you operate, so I can be sure never to sign up or give you any personal details.

  30. Re:He's done more than you have, big talker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm just about to publish a paper on my revolutionary method of using hostfiles to protect against all SQL injection attacks. I predict it will revolutionize the industry.

  31. Awful password policy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First, the PoF interface is utter shit. I did like the ability to drill down specific attributes, but still rather clunky. Good if you're looking for a thin/athletic woman for a good lay, though.
    Secondly, all passwords were stored case-insensitive which drive me nuts. On top of that, the inability to obscure passwords in emails was a huge no-no. It was kind of fun to read the error messages when the IIS server wouldn't process a request.

    In the end, the site deserves it. Hopefully it will improve, especially now that they're charging for "premium" features such as message read notification.

  32. Crybaby by blunte · · Score: 2

    Markus is a spoiled, rich crybaby. He's made so much money off that hideous site for so many years (and boasted about it for ages on his blog)... you would think he could afford proper security audits and support to close holes.

    Basically he's been sitting on his ass technically for nearly the entire time, and now he's pissy because his lack of attention bit him.

    And for the record, OkCupid.com is so immeasurably better than PoF in every way, it's time for the old whale to die.

    --
    .sigs are for post^Hers.
    1. Re:Crybaby by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree on every point, and I'd like to echo your sentiments. It frustrated me to no end the total lack of regard PoF has for it's users. What few changes have been made to the site over the 4 years I've been on it have been to drive their paid services. They make money hand over fist from their advertisers and invest nothing of it to improve the experience for their users. Instead, they go out and make insane ad buys on every site imaginable. Such that if you have a PoF cookie on your system you're constantly assaulted with banner images asking, "HAS A CUTE GIRL MESSAGED YOU ON POF TODAY!?!?!" I can tell you, "NO THEY HAVEN'T, SO PLEASE STOP ASKING!"

      I can't get so much as a reply to a polite and thoughtful message on PoF, whereas my OkCupid inbox is filled with so many unsolicited messages from worthwhile girls that I don't have time to answer them all. That, in addition to the great analysis they provide on the OkTrends blog, the matching algorithm, the user tools, and the fact that I found out about OkCupid through a job-posting on a FreeBSD mailing list, should be all that any nerd/geek needs to know about where to go for online dating.

      Hopefully this latest incident on PoF is the beginning of the end for that PoS, and I'll do anything within my power to hasten its demise. I discovered some time ago that I could circumvent the language filters on PoF by using HTML entities. (I should be able to swear in my profile if I damn-well please, TYVM) Now I'm thinking it's time to bump it up a notch and truly abuse their feeble system. Any suggestions?

  33. Of course, blame, them, they wrote the code by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

    Come on, did anyone else but your programmers write the code for your site?
    If someone saw a bug and then sent it to you...then guess what it is up to you to patch it right away, if 1 week later this bug is deployed in the wild...then sorry, but you had your chance...that is why you make the millions, and others don't, else we all would have our very own dating websites....you need good coders, and just anyone to do your code for you.

  34. Another inevitability becomes manifest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As someone who also runs every aspect of my own business, when I first read about "Markus' incredible success story" a year ago I immediately thought two things:
    1) I wish I could make a fortune just working by myself like this guy
    2) There is no way his product is secure. It's just a matter of time.

    You just cannot do security unless you are literally a full-time, dedicated security professional. Anyone who has dabbled at all in setting up their own website and gotten to any sort of server configuration and custom installation stuff knows this. So right off the bat, all online small businesses with any kind of user information aspect require 2 participants, minimum (to do a good job).

    I'm still reading through the context of the story, and I'm not saying he deserved it, only that he had it coming. If I used the site I'd be angry at Markus, not the Hacker. Evil is a statistical constant; it's not doing anything about it that's deplorable.

    1. Re:Another inevitability becomes manifest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your last line was absolute class.

  35. argintina? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He didn't bothered to learn how to spell the name of the country.

    1. Re:argintina? by Archwyrm · · Score: 1

      Ah, hypocrisy at its finest.

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      Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power. -- Mussolini
  36. Extortion? Maybe... by DingerX · · Score: 1
    From the defense posted here:

    The vulnerability was fixed and they remain in contact with us, since they were interested in hiring us as security professionals in order to make an analysis of the plataforms.

    Look, here's why companies pay bounties and don't hire "security researchers" on spec, and, vice versa, here's why "security researchers" need to be very careful about how they go about getting a real job: Pointing out security vulnerabilities and asking for money IS extortion. "Gee, nice construction site you've got here. Too bad you can't afford to work 24 hours a day. Shame if someone were to vandalize your hardware while you were asleep. You know, even I could do that, let me show you*. Buy the way, I'm looking for a job. *=that's the step that's a problem; it's a double problem in the geek world, because the only accreditation that counts is being able to commit the crime that's a problem. So, sure, sleazeballs all around. What'd you expect? It's an online dating site.

  37. Everyone is missing the point.. by microbee · · Score: 1

    What happened after the dude emailed the other dude's mom? Did they make out? This is a nerd's ultimate revenge!

    1. Re:Everyone is missing the point.. by DQKennard · · Score: 1

      That would make for a much better followup letter than a threat. Hey, dude, I emailed your Mom to get you to stop hacking my site, and well, one thing led to another and she's lying here in bed next to me as I type. Man, she is one hot MILF. Oops, she's waking up. Gotta go, but thanks for hookin' us up, dude!

  38. Re:He's done more than you have, big talker by Americano · · Score: 1

    Will it be written in a style similar to APK's bombastic style? I should like to read it, and ALL of its P.S. clauses, when it's published.

    How should I subscribe to your newsletter, Sir? I really admire your ideas.

  39. Why should I date someone I'm not attracted to? by Burning1 · · Score: 2

    Seriously?

    You call dating based on physical attractiveness shallow... Fair enough. I would counter with the question: Why should I date people who aren't attractive to me? Why is physical attractiveness any less important than emotional attractiveness? I'd agree that it's shallow to date on looks alone... But speaking as someone who has tried having romantic relationships relationships with people he isn't physically attracted to, I can say that it doesn't work any better than a relationship with someone I'm physically attracted to but emotionally uninterested in.

    You make a great point though that you can't expect to date outside your league. Want a hot chick who's totally intellectual and into nerdy guys? Be an intellectual nerd who has a bit of a sense of style and works out.

    1. Re:Why should I date someone I'm not attracted to? by Cylix · · Score: 1

      I've known some girls that had some weight, but were actually quite attractive.

      It probably had to do with them being extra slutty, but I'm a sucker for slutty.

      --
      "You should always go to other people's funerals; otherwise, they won't come to yours." -- Yogi Berra
    2. Re:Why should I date someone I'm not attracted to? by tehcyder · · Score: 1
      No one's saying you should date people you find unattractive. It's just that people need to be a bit more realistic about what's attractive or not, and even more importantly, they need to be realistic about how attractive they are themselves.

      The number of posts on slashdot along the lines of "I am a perfect catch because I am both a nerd and I do an hour's exercise a week and so am therefore physically flawless too" are just hilarious.

      --
      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
    3. Re:Why should I date someone I'm not attracted to? by Raenex · · Score: 1

      It's just that people need to be a bit more realistic about what's attractive or not, and even more importantly, they need to be realistic about how attractive they are themselves.

      Lowered Expectations

  40. This is Slashdot! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > So you don't date? :-P

    You're talking about someone posting to Slashdot. It's too late for us all.

  41. TERRIBLE SITE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now, how nice is that?

    Nothing is secure in this universe and there will be a lot of unhappy people reading this one! Also, there is no manning this site.
    I was sent a warning from someone who used to stalk me way back when.....all he did was press a button and for no reason whatsoever,
    the warning came to me for nude pictures which were not posted!!! Nice huh? Yeah, thought you'd like that one.

    Have fun!!!!

  42. An ne'er do well nobody says what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    'I'm just about to publish a paper on my revolutionary method of using hostfiles to protect against all SQL injection attacks. I predict it will revolutionize the industry." - by Anonymous Coward the ne'er do well nobody on Monday January 31, @04:28PM (#35060550)

    Ah, yes - that's what a ne'er-do-well nobody says, quoted above. Get a life you loser, do something with yourself instead of being the miserable little shit you are, trolling others. Then again, that explains you're trolling others here: You know you're a waste of human existence.

    1. Re:An ne'er do well nobody says what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What exactly have you accomplished, in the past... oh, say, ten years?

    2. Re:An ne'er do well nobody says what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A home (and all that goes inside it), & a nice sportscar, and all paid in full on both as well as 2 collegiate degrees...

      So - How's that, & how about you?

      APK

      P.S.=> Now, I can ask YOU the same, and you won't be able to put up squat, much less a list of decent accomplishments in the art & science of computing as I can & have here, asking if you have done the same (or better), and, before I did... & you run from that, lol! "Gee: I wonder WHY?" (not, because you haven't done the same, or better... you're just another "/. armchair QB critic" who hasn't ever done squat in this field that was noted well by others)... apk

    3. Re:An ne'er do well nobody says what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A home (and all that goes inside it), & a nice sportscar, and all paid in full on both as well as 2 collegiate degrees...

      I meant VERIFIABLE accomplishments. BTW, the White Pages say you live in Oswego county, NY, but you don't own any property in that county.

      But since you want to measure dick size...

      P.S.=> Now, I can ask YOU the same

      A home, paid in full, and enough cash in the bank to buy a sports car if I wanted one. How's that working out for you, actually? Get it out of the driveway lately? Or is it sitting in your garage waiting for the snow to melt?

    4. Re:An ne'er do well nobody says what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We'd all like to know what you've accomplished, and with proof, as you had the anonymous coward apk put up here, and he could. Can you? Obviously not. That makes others here calling you a loser, armchair quarterback, and general fool totally correct in my estimation.

    5. Re:An ne'er do well nobody says what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My work has actual value. Unlike yours.

      I don't need recognition for my work. Unlike you. Because the compensation from my work comes in the form of a paycheck. Unlike yours.

      I don't do my work for free, and I don't give it away for free, and I don't need name recognition from Anonymous Cowards to prove that I've accomplished something with my life. Unlike you. Unlike you. And unlike you.

      And the name recognition that I do have doesn't consist of an article entitled "How to Respond When People Threaten to Sue You on the Web". Again, unlike you.

      And unlike you, my work history doesn't include $100 prizes from people who would say "oh him? we banned him" if the guy reviewing my résumé called to get a reference. That would result in a pretty quick laugh and chucking the paper into the "do not call" bin (a.k.a. the trash can).

  43. security audit? by SquirrelDeth · · Score: 1

    So would walking around someone's house trying all the doorknobs to see is one is unlocked, be performing a security audit or attempting to beak into the place?

    1. Re:security audit? by mr+exploiter · · Score: 1

      I don't know. How is this relevant?

  44. Americano, another "ne'er-do-well"? LMAO! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Will it be written in a style similar to APK's bombastic style?" - by Americano (920576) on Monday January 31, @05:47PM (#35061350)

    At least I have "style", you jackass, as well as my having accomplished more in the art & science of computing than a jackass like you ever will, you pitiful troll.

    APK

    P.S.=> So, when the day comes that you ever manage to be able to show you've done more than this only PARTIAL LIST of my "favs" (and you certainly hadn't when I did them, nor did you beforehand, OR more of them)? Then, you can talk!

    So, until you can show us more than the list below, to YOUR CREDIT/NAME jackass? You're ALL TALK!

    Refer to this list below, & show us you've done more than I have in this field, & especially before I did:

    ---

    Windows NT Magazine (now Windows IT Pro) April 1997 "BACK OFFICE PERFORMANCE" issue, page 61

    (&, for work done for EEC Systems/SuperSpeed.com on PAID CONTRACT (writing portions of their SuperCache program increasing its performance by up to 40% via my work) albeit, for their SuperDisk & HOW TO APPLY IT, took them to a finalist position @ MS Tech Ed, two years in a row 2000-2002, in its HARDEST CATEGORY: SQLServer Performance Enhancement).

    WINDOWS MAGAZINE, 1997, "Top Freeware & Shareware of the Year" issue page 210, #1/first entry in fact (my work is there)

    PC-WELT FEB 1998 - page 84, again, my work is featured there

    WINDOWS MAGAZINE, WINTER 1998 - page 92, insert section, MUST HAVE WARES, my work is again, there

    PC-WELT FEB 1999 - page 83, again, my work is featured there

    CHIP Magazine 7/99 - page 100, my work is there

    GERMAN PC BOOK, Data Becker publisher "PC Aufrusten und Repairen" 2000, where my work is contained in it

    HOT SHAREWARE Numero 46 issue, pg. 54 (PC ware mag from Spain), 2001 my work is there, first one featured, yet again!

    Also, a British PC Mag in 2002 for many utilities I wrote, saw it @ BORDERS BOOKS but didn't buy it... by that point, I had moved onto other areas in this field besides coding only...

    Being paid for an article that made me money over @ PCPitstop in 2008 for writing up a guide that has people showing NO VIRUSES/SPYWARES & other screwups, via following its point, such as THRONKA sees here -> http://www.xtremepccentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=ee926d913b81bf6d63c3c7372fd2a24c&t=28430&page=3

    Lastly, lately (this year)?

    It's also been myself helping out the folks at the UltraDefrag64 project (a 64-bit defragger for Windows), in showing them code for how to do Process Priority Control @ the GUI usermode/ring 3/rpl 3 level in their program (good one too), & being credited for it by their lead dev & his team... see here -> http://ultradefrag.sourceforge.net/handbook/Credits.html

    ---

    You're just another stupid, off-topic, ne'er do well troll Americano... accept it! apk

  45. It's not shallow to favour attractive people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not shallow to favour physically attractive people. It's natural. There is no escaping it. For better or worse we are all prone to it.

    Not all of us have much to offer in exchange and consequently we have to compromise on what we would accept in a partner, but what we've got is probably not what we would have chosen if we had had a completely free choice in the first place.

    That's not to say that we don't form deep and meaningful bonds with our second or third choice. That's also natural.

    If you doubt it try to imagine the person of the opposite sex with the most scintillating character that you can think of - but in the body of the most gross and ugly person of the opposite sex that you can think of. If you claim that you could spend your life (you know, sex and everything) with that person you are either a liar or admirably perverse.

    That's why Hollywood is full of pretty, beautiful, handsome, delicious, stunning actors and actresses and why most of them fade from view when their looks also begin to fade.

    I'm not saying that other factors don't count, but maybe sadly, looks do count more than most people would care to acknowledge.

  46. Dale Carnegie by Illicon · · Score: 1

    You need to read How to Win Friends and Influence People, by Dale Carnegie. It's a great book that has sold a brazillion copies about exactly what you're talking about. If you really DO have Asperger's and honestly cannot understand the importance of taking a sincere interest in other people, you will after reading this book.

    1. Re:Dale Carnegie by eugene+ts+wong · · Score: 1

      I did read it, actually. I think that he didn't write for people with Asperger's, because a lot of the stuff that he uses might just fly over an Aspie's head. A lot of the illustrations might make sense on a superficial level, but I don't think that they'll sink very deeply. I even have a copy. I never read it with Asperger's in mind, so I'll try doing that.

      I guess I should put 2 and 2 together. Considering my comments plus your suggestion, I can assume that asking people about that book that they read gives them a chance to talk about themselves, and their interests. I guess that I found it surprising, because I didn't expect that topic to be interesting enough for them. Also, when they seem grateful, even before they answer the question, it implies to me that something else is going on. On the other hand, if there is no something else, then we can assume that they recognize that the conch has been passed to them, and that they recognize that the topic is about them. If all of this is true, then it makes sense that they would be grateful. Am I on the right track?

    2. Re:Dale Carnegie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering my comments plus your suggestion, I can assume that asking people about that book that they read gives them a chance to talk about themselves, and their interests. I guess that I found it surprising, because I didn't expect that topic to be interesting enough for them. Also, when they seem grateful, even before they answer the question, it implies to me that something else is going on. On the other hand, if there is no something else, then we can assume that they recognize that the conch has been passed to them, and that they recognize that the topic is about them. If all of this is true, then it makes sense that they would be grateful. Am I on the right track?

      They're grateful because you gave them a completely meaningless topic which they can talk about for a few minutes. And yes: It's important that the topic be completely meaningless, or very nearly so, because that way there are no hidden motives, no "something else" going on, nothing of that sort that would put them on the defensive. Normal people love to talk about meaningless stuff. Especially when it's related to them.

      To an aspie (I'm sure I'm more than a twinge aspie myself) it's dull, uninteresting, shallow, and on the whole mostly tiresome and tedious. I'm okay at it - I won't say I'm good at it... and frankly I find it to be too much work to maintain on a constant basis. But it never seems natural, in fact it seems irritatingly artificial, so I'm never sure whether I'm supposed to prod the conversation to keep it moving, or gracefully end it, or just endure the awkward pause hoping that the other person will do something to end it so I won't have to.

      Is it too much to ask from people that if we don't actually have something interesting to talk about, we can JUST BE THE HELL QUIET together without having it be an awkward pause?

      Yes. Yes it is.

    3. Re:Dale Carnegie by Illicon · · Score: 1

      I think you're both over-thinking it. The bottom line is people like to talk about themselves. Conversely, people in general, do not like listening to someone talk about themselves too much. So, if you can make yourself someone who not only listens, but also encourages other people talk about themselves, people will like you.

    4. Re:Dale Carnegie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know that. And I can do it. I get pats on the back for playing well with others.

      It's just that it's unnatural to me, and it tires me.

    5. Re:Dale Carnegie by eugene+ts+wong · · Score: 1

      But why do they thank us for asking about things?

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  48. I don't live in that county by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry, wrong door: I don't live in Oswego county, and I drive my vehicle daily.

    You still haven't produced a damn thing you've ever done in the art & science of computing when you were asked to, now have you? No.

    No - You're just another "armchair QB" talker.

    After all - You asked what I accomplished the past 10 yrs., and I have been asking what have you EVER accomplished in computing that did well... & you're running from it (small wonder that: You've never done a damned thing & your evading that question merely proves it).

    APK

    P.S.=> Funniest part is I am paying up my quarterly taxes tomorrow a.m. (along with the water & electricity/heat bills, & the latter is INSANE this year due to the ice storms we've been seeing this year), but not in the county you're stating...

    Yes, you're "fishing" for anything you can to try to "discredit me", but you? You're running from a SIMPLE question (to show us you've done more than I have & earlier than I have, in computing)... pretty simple answer to why you're running away from answering that too - you haven't done squat!
    apk

    1. Re:I don't live in that county by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then why do the White Pages still say that's where you live? Are you hiding from someone?

  49. Part of his list is from the past 10 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1974312&cid=35064146

    HOT SHAREWARE Numero 46 issue, pg. 54 (PC ware mag from Spain), 2001 my work is there, first one featured, yet again!

    Also, a British PC Mag in 2002 for many utilities I wrote, saw it @ BORDERS BOOKS but didn't buy it... by that point, I had moved onto other areas in this field besides coding only...

    Being paid for an article that made me money over @ PCPitstop in 2008 for writing up a guide that has people showing NO VIRUSES/SPYWARES & other screwups, via following its point, such as THRONKA sees here -> http://www.xtremepccentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=ee926d913b81bf6d63c3c7372fd2a24c&t=28430&page=3

    Lastly, lately (this year)?

    It's also been myself helping out the folks at the UltraDefrag64 project (a 64-bit defragger for Windows), in showing them code for how to do Process Priority Control @ the GUI usermode/ring 3/rpl 3 level in their program (good one too), & being credited for it by their lead dev & his team... see here -> http://ultradefrag.sourceforge.net/handbook/Credits.html

    1. Re:Part of his list is from the past 10 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HOT SHAREWARE Numero 46 issue, pg. 54 (PC ware mag from Spain), 2001 my work is there

      Also, a British PC Mag in 2002 for many utilities I wrote

      Convenient that I can't go look those up to see if you're lying. Anyway, it's probably a review of the same old crapware that you did not write in the past 10 years.

      Being paid for an article that made me money over @ PCPitstop in 2008

      Show me a canceled check showing you were paid, show me a URL to PCPitstop's website listing the article, show me anything other than a FORUM THREAD in which any idiot can post anything they want.

      Anyway, from the looks of their website I'd be more inclined to think I'd be able to get something like AntiVirus 2009 there than I'd be able to find out how to remove it. It looks to be a typical ad- (and quite possibly mal-) ware infested shareware site. Getting a few bucks from them certainly isn't something I'd brag about.

      It's also been myself helping out the folks at the UltraDefrag64 project (a 64-bit defragger for Windows), in showing them code for how to do Process Priority Control

      Process priority control? Seriously?

      If you came up with an innovative algorithm to handle process priority control, show me a patent or GTFO. Process priority control is basic system-level coding - what on earth did you contribute that they couldn't have just as easily found in an MSDN reference? With your reputation, I'm surprised they wanted your help at all. Your name is not something anyone should want to have on an open-source project's credits page (any project's credit page, really).

      In fact, since it's an open-source project, show me the portion of the code that YOU WROTE that they give you credit for.

  50. Why won't you answer a question? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The whitepages need an update or that's another person with my name - take your pick. I think you have to realize those types of sites aren't exactly "perfectly current" or even perfectly accurate.

    Bottom line here, though, even though you're trying to avoid it?

    You still won't say anything you've accomplished in the computer sciences either when you are asked... lol, "Gee, why IS that?" (not)

    Answer = you never have (and I strongly suspect, you off topic troll, that you never will).

    APK

    1. Re:Why won't you answer a question? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The whitepages need an update or that's another person with my name - take your pick.

      Or you're lying. I suppose I could pick that option too.

      So if the listing is inaccurate, why don't you go and claim it and fix it?

      http://www.whitepages.com/search/Replay?lower=15&more_info=1&search_id=11021350083763711441&search_type=findperson

      I think you have to realize those types of sites aren't exactly "perfectly current" or even perfectly accurate.

      White Pages monitors public records such as real estate sales etc., so I have no real reason to expect that it's inaccurate, much less that it's less accurate than the word of an Anonymous Coward on a message board.

  51. What have you EVER accomplished? Nothing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "What exactly have you accomplished, in the past... oh, say, ten years?" - by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 01, @11:30AM (#35068554)

    1st of all: Part of the list I put up of things I accomplished ARE in the last 10 yrs. (2001 - 2011).

    Secondly: It's more than YOU ever will, because when you are asked the same question (or from even before that)? You run from answering.

    I.E.-> I've done fairly well in this art & science of computing, you have not, obviously, else you would have been able to exceed the only PARTIAL list I put out here ->

    http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1974312&cid=35064146

    ---

    "Or you're lying. I suppose I could pick that option too." - by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 02, @12:49PM (#35081154)

    I haven't lied about anything I've stated. Thus, the ONLY "OPTION" that YOU have is to try to say I am lying... so you can continue being off topic AND avoiding my simple question to you:

    SO - Now it's YOUR TURN: Show us that you've done more than I have of good note in this field of the computer sciences & earlier than I have.

    (You can't, because you have never done anything except troll others & waste your life, apparently!)

    ----

    "So if the listing is inaccurate, why don't you go and claim it and fix it? - by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 02, @12:49PM (#35081154)

    It's either inaccurate, out of date, or you can't search worth a damn... & why should I change it? Perhaps I like the fact I don't show up on their listings, yet @ least (the last time I used one of those, on myself, it was showing 10 yr. old addresses for me, for example... very stale/out of date).

    APK

    P.S.=> Another troll bites the dust, as per usual, when asked if they have ever done anything noteworthy in this field... which only makes sense & is probably WHY they're trolls: They KNOW they're a waste of life... apk

    1. Re:What have you EVER accomplished? Nothing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Part of the list I put up of things I accomplished ARE in the last 10 yrs. (2001 - 2011).

      Where's the proof? Nowhere.

      when you are asked the same question (or from even before that)? You run from answering

      My paycheck is all the proof I need. And as for YOU: Why should I answer a nobody like yourself, Mr. Anonymous Coward?

      Perhaps I like the fact I don't show up on their listings

      You DO show up on their listing: under what you claim is an inaccurate address, though you have yet to prove that the address it lists is inaccurate.

      No, you don't "like the fact that you don't show up", because if you did, you could claim that listing and have it removed entirely from the public search.

      the last time I used one of those, on myself, it was showing 10 yr. old addresses for me, for example... very stale/out of date

      It's the white pages, not a background check. I used to use the giant paper copy they left on my doorstep, until I started using the online version... I think they might still leave the paper one on my doorstep once a year, but if they did, it's probably sitting in a cabinet somewhere unopened.

      By the way - your phone book listing tends to be inaccurate when you're a no-life loser who lives with his mummy most of his life, which might explain your own "stale/out of date" listing.

      Since you haven't updated it and you haven't taken it down, obviously you like having yourself listed under false addresses. From whom are you hiding? Why do you cower? Anonymous Coward, indeed. What county DO you live in, then?

  52. Time to make you look stupid, WITH PROOFS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "In fact, since it's an open-source project, show me the portion of the code that YOU WROTE that they give you credit for.." - by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 02, @11:54AM (#35080492)

    EAT YOUR WORDS #1:

    http://sourceforge.net/projects/ultradefrag/forums/forum/709672/topic/3690136

    ---

    type TThreadPriority = (
    tpIdle,
    tpLowest,
    tpLower,
    tpNormal,
    tpHigher,
    tpHighest,
    tpTimeCritical
    );
    } // CUSTOM PASCAL RECORD DATA STRUCTURE FOR THREADS... apk //This below would be the "Try-Catch" construct you'd place inside one of your radio group buttons or checkboxes (for altering CPU priority of your main parent thread in your GUI)

    try
    Screen.Cursor:=crHourGlass;
    ProcessID:= GetCurrentProcessID;
    ProcessHandle:= OpenProcess(PROCESS_SET_INFORMATION,
    false,
    ProcessID);
    SetPriorityClass(ProcessHandle, NORMAL_PRIORITY_CLASS);
    ThreadHandle:= GetCurrentThread;
    SetThreadPriority(ThreadHandle, THREAD_PRIORITY_NORMAL);
    Application.ProcessMessages;
    Screen.Cursor:=crDefault;
    Application.ProcessMessages;
    try except
    Screen.Cursor:=crDefault;
    ShowMessage(Trim('Abend in procedure SetCPUPriorityForMainThread'));
    end;
    finally
    Application.ProcessMessages;
    Screen.Cursor:=crDefault;
    Application.ProcessMessages;
    end;
    Application.ProcessMessages;
    Screen.Cursor:=crDefault;
    Application.ProcessMessages;

    ---

    There you go! I answer questions put to me, and prove them when falsely accused such as you have to me, off topic & all... unlike yourself (see my ps below).

    So: How do your words taste? "The bitter taste of defeat", perhaps?? LOL!

    Wait, wait - This gets even better as we go below next...

    ---

    "Show me a canceled check showing you were paid, show me a URL to PCPitstop's website listing the article." - by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 02, @11:54AM (#35080492)

    EAT YOUR WORDS #2:

    http://techtalk.pcpitstop.com/2007/09/04/pc-pitstop-winners/

    See January 2008 (Alexander & New York = ME!)

    ---

    "Convenient that I can't go look those up to see if you're lying. Anyway, it's probably a review of the same old crapware that you did not write in the past 10 years." - by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 02, @11:54AM (#35080492)

    EAT YOUR WORDS #3:

    You can write EEC Systems (now SuperSpeed.com - ask for Mr. Eric Dickman their CEO in fact, he knows me & has even later offered me employment opportunities in the past when I asked for them in fact ontop of the work I did for them I mentioned) for example, & ask them if I was paid for writing up the portion of SuperCache I/II that made it 40% better than it was already... which is pretty good!

    Especially considering it reviewed well in Windows IT Pro magazine (then Windows NT mag), & also is a commercial product + was a finalist alongside its sister program (which I also showed them how to use effectively in database work) SuperDisk, at Microsoft Tech Ed 2000-2002, 2 yrs. in a

    1. Re:Time to make you look stupid, WITH PROOFS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://sourceforge.net/projects/ultradefrag/forums/forum/709672/topic/3690136

      Ha! You mean to say that what they credit you for is some PSEUDO CODE that you posted in a WEB FORUM showing some BASIC PROCESS PRIORITY CONTROL? Which you probably copied-and-pasted from the MSDN website (as you've been known to do, I recall)? Which any CS student should be able to do?

      ROFL!

      Let me guess... did they list you in the credits because you threatened to sue them if they didn't?

      What's more - I asked you to show me PART OF THE CODE which is USED IN THE PROJECT, and you link me to a forum post. Not even something that's been added to the code in their project! Priceless. Just some pseudo code, not even working code! LMFAO.

      http://techtalk.pcpitstop.com/2007/09/04/pc-pitstop-winners/

      See January 2008 (Alexander & New York = ME!)

      LOL! Even better! I went to see that - clicked on the link, and LOOK AT THAT - user "APK" from "A discrete point in the space-time continuum" is "BANNED"! (I wonder why?)

      Looks like even PCPitstop knows to admit when they've made a mistake - banning one of their own "valuable" contributors ($100 worth, it seems)!! Yet again... PRICELESS.

    2. Re:Time to make you look stupid, WITH PROOFS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      even PCPitstop knows to admit when they've made a mistake by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 03, @01:12PM (#35092766)

      They certainly did make a mistake. I took a look at that guide in relation to all of the other guides there (many years worth of them), and the one apk wrote is the most viewed to this day by a large margin, 10,000 views or more ahead of the second most viewed guide, when the list of posts there is sorted by views ascending, and in what amounts to their most valued section of that forums, in its essential guides section no less. They lost a pageview generator in banning him. That's their loss. Certainly a dumb move on their part I say.

    3. Re:Time to make you look stupid, WITH PROOFS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You actually think it's a thumbs-up on your reputation that somebody gave you $100 for that ridiculous "guide"? How long did it take you to write that monstrosity? What's that come out to per hour - a couple bucks? Did you even make minimum wage?

      Hell, I make more than that in a few hours! (brb. pay friday. wonder if my paycheck is here yet. ... nope, probably in an hour or two. direct deposit, anyway, so the paycheck is really just for my record-keeping, as it shows how much they took out for taxes, insurance, etc.)

      Is your time of really so little value that you brag about that like it's some sort of accomplishment? Don't you have something of actual value to put on your resumé?

      Seriously... $100? Shit - I'd double your money to never put another word on the internet as long as you lived, if I thought you were even capable of shutting the fuck up - even if you wanted to.

      "apk - employment history: made $100 three years ago for a guide I posted on a web forum which banned me for being so awesome - such a good programmer that I have to give my applications away for free - authored shareware reviewed by a bunch of no-name rags over the past couple decades."

      No doubt not a day goes by that some poor forum admin over at that forum rues that ill-fated decision they made to ban the notorious apk. I bet they moan to themselves over and over "oh, why did we ever ban him? I wish to heaven there was only some way for us to un-ban someone, we'd do it in an instant even if only we could!"

  53. Re:sounds like extortion, assuming the email is le by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apparently you've never received an email that looked like:

    Good Day, I am a lawyer from Costan, Nigeria

    This Friday 21 of January, Castan Mubato died without any heirs. I am seeking your attention to help me transfer the sum of Six Million, Three hundred and fifty thousand America dollars (US $6,350,000.00) in your account before it is confiscated by the government. Please it is more than urgent.

  54. Again: Show us what YOU'VE done, loser... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "You mean to say that what they credit you for is some PSEUDO CODE that you posted in a WEB FORUM showing some BASIC PROCESS PRIORITY CONTROL?" - by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 03, @01:12PM (#35092766)

    Made YOU "eat your words" easily enough, loser...

    By the way: It's NOT "pseudo-code" dumbo - it's object pascal/delphi 7 code, & it's MOSTLY use of Windows API calls, which "port over" easily to other languages/tools (especially doing Delphi to C/C++ or even VB or .NET)... IF you know what you're doing & know multiple programming languages, that is... you? You, obviously, do NOT!

    So, again, for the 11th time now or more: Show us what YOU have done, big talking armchair quarterback loser that you are...

    (You've never done a damned thing and yet you give others crap? Please... we all know what others think of "the likes of you", loser!)

    ---

    "Which you probably copied-and-pasted from the MSDN website (as you've been known to do, I recall)? Which any CS student should be able to do?" - by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 03, @01:12PM (#35092766)

    You can't show you've done even THAT, loser...

    Also: I couldn't have "cut & pasted it from MSDN" dimwit: MS' examples are in C/C++ typically (or .NET or VB etc. - languages MS produces & uses).

    (Additionally: Your constant accusations here, where I have made you "eat your words" each time? Only tells me what YOU YOURSELF DO... which is obviously ream the work of others & claim it as your own!)

    This entire exchange, w/ your errors saying I posted "pseudo-code" really only further tells me you are NOTHING BUT A B.S. ARTIST LOSER AND BIG TALKER, because you can't even recognize the tools or languages used... lmao!

    ---

    "Looks like even PCPitstop knows to admit when they've made a mistake - banning one of their own "valuable" contributors ($100 worth, it seems)!! Yet again... PRICELESS." - by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 03, @01:12PM (#35092766)

    Yet, I got paid for it... how about YOU, big talking armchair QB loser?

    APK

    P.S.=> Again, for the 11th time now: Show us what YOU have done, & more of it of good note in respected publications or technical contests like MS-Tech Ed 2000-2002 as I have, that ended up in commercially sold programs.... you can't, I know it, and so do you (as well as anyone else reading here).

    You're a loser, troll... a big talking loser... apk

  55. benjymouse what have you ever done? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    benjymouse, it is obvious this is you replying as anonymous coward, and you haven't accomplished anything it seems in the field of computing that others remarked on as good or decent and put it into publications of respected reputation. You're quite pitiful and you've made yourself look like an ass here. How you could overlook the fact that you've been asked to tell us all reading here what it is you have done that was good in publications of respected note, or in programs you have written that did well, or anything noteworthy in the field of computer sciences only tells us you are avoiding that question, and the reason is that you haven't accomplished a thing. So much for your big talk with nothing behind it whatsoever. You're a nobody as the other anonymous coward apk stated, and we can all ascertain that much from your running away from a simple question of show us all reading here that you've accomplished more than apk has, and earlier than he did. You're unable to, because you're what he called you, a ne'er do well. Worse yet, you critiqued Mr. Russo regarding this article, and yet for all your big talk? You haven't done shit yourself. Grow up, and quit being such a fool.

    1. Re:benjymouse what have you ever done? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      as opposed to you, who self-admittedly has made a grand total of $100 in the past 10 years, not counting unemployment benefits.

      you are NOTHING. cower some more, feeb. you're completely pathetic.

  56. Prove it loser by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "A home, paid in full, and enough cash in the bank to buy a sports car if I wanted one" by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 02, @09:55AM (#35079492)/quote.

    Prove it. You can't. You are full of crap and everyone here knows it troll.

    1. Re:Prove it loser by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't need to prove anything to you, Mr. Anonymous Coward. You haven't proven anything to me, so why should I be required to do something that you're too scared to do? Cower some more, feeb. You are NOTHING.

  57. He did prove it and you had to eat your words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1974312&cid=35085846

    Recall that post? He made you eat your words. You're such an idiot that when you asked him what he'd done in the past 10 years you didn't even note that part of his list accomplishments in computing he has, and you do not, does in fact fall within the past 10 years. You also could recognize Pascal code, though you tried to play programming expert, when you called it pseudocode. So, why do you keep running away from answering to us all as to what you have accomplished in computing the past lifetime for you. You haven't done a damned thing worth noting. You're just another wannabe talker.

    My paycheck is all the proof I need. by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 03, @01:02PM (#35092606)

    Prove you get that paycheck, bullshitter. You can't even prove anything you've ever done in computing was any good, but apk could and did, multiple times. Your McDonald's paycheck does not count as computer work by the way. Besides, see above. You're all talk, bullshit, and errors.

    And as for YOU: Why should I answer a nobody like yourself, Mr. Anonymous Coward? by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 03, @01:02PM (#35092606)

    What a lame way to try to avoid what has been asked of you. We already know you're a nothing and nobody, and your avoiding answering us when we ask you what you've done better than apk put up for a list of accomplishments in comp. sci. related work. You couldn't on your best day apparently show us you've done more than he has, and earlier or over as long a period as he has. You're a loser.

    1. Re:He did prove it and you had to eat your words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL. No, you telling me where I work doesn't change the amount or the payer on my paycheck. Thanks for trying, though. It was amusing.

      What you posted WAS pseudo code. Not part of any running application ANY WHERE. Just some "pseudo code" bullshit that would need modification in order to work in a real application.

  58. LMAO watch MR. WANNABE run by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I don't need to prove anything to you, Mr. Anonymous Coward" - by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 04, @09:45AM (#35103254)

    Need? It's more of a matter of YOU CAN'T, loser.

    (The truly hilarious part here, however, is you're calling ME "Mr. Anonymous Coward" & yet you're posting as ac yourself!)

    Man, seriously - You're too STUPID to have accomplished anything worthwhile in the field of computing, let alone life, troll... & that statement of yours proves it.

    That, along with your being unable to identify Object-Pascal code, and yet you're trying to "critique me" &/or belittle my accomplishments listed below (the likes of which you do not even have 1 of)? Please... lmao!

    APK

    P.S.=>

    "You haven't proven anything to me" - " - by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 04, @09:45AM (#35103254)

    You've proven to us ALL that you can't match this list of mine below (of my fav. accomplishments in the computer science arena at least, & it's only a PARTIAL LIST no less... however, it spans back probably longer than you've been alive):

    ---

    Windows NT Magazine (now Windows IT Pro) April 1997 "BACK OFFICE PERFORMANCE" issue, page 61

    (&, for work done for EEC Systems/SuperSpeed.com on PAID CONTRACT (writing portions of their SuperCache program increasing its performance by up to 40% via my work) albeit, for their SuperDisk & HOW TO APPLY IT, took them to a finalist position @ MS Tech Ed, two years in a row 2000-2002, in its HARDEST CATEGORY: SQLServer Performance Enhancement).

    WINDOWS MAGAZINE, 1997, "Top Freeware & Shareware of the Year" issue page 210, #1/first entry in fact (my work is there)

    PC-WELT FEB 1998 - page 84, again, my work is featured there

    WINDOWS MAGAZINE, WINTER 1998 - page 92, insert section, MUST HAVE WARES, my work is again, there

    PC-WELT FEB 1999 - page 83, again, my work is featured there

    CHIP Magazine 7/99 - page 100, my work is there

    GERMAN PC BOOK, Data Becker publisher "PC Aufrusten und Repairen" 2000, where my work is contained in it

    HOT SHAREWARE Numero 46 issue, pg. 54 (PC ware mag from Spain), 2001 my work is there, first one featured, yet again!

    Also, a British PC Mag in 2002 for many utilities I wrote, saw it @ BORDERS BOOKS but didn't buy it... by that point, I had moved onto other areas in this field besides coding only...

    Being paid for an article that made me money over @ PCPitstop in 2008 for writing up a guide that has people showing NO VIRUSES/SPYWARES & other screwups, via following its point, such as THRONKA sees here ->

    http://www.xtremepccentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=ee926d913b81bf6d63c3c7372fd2a24c&t=28430&page=3

    Lastly, lately (this year)?

    It's also been myself helping out the folks at the UltraDefrag64 project (a 64-bit defragger for Windows), in showing them code for how to do Process Priority Control @ the GUI usermode/ring 3/rpl 3 level in their program (good one too), & being credited for it by their lead dev & his team... see here ->

    http://ultradefrag.sourceforge.net/handbook/Credits.html

    ---

    The day you can show us all reading that you've done more of the type of thing shown above than I have (inclusive of my code being in award winning commercial softwares), is the day you can even BEGIN to *think* that "the likes of you" (a wasted life troll) can even start to think of yourself as in the same league as myself... apk

    1. Re:LMAO watch MR. WANNABE run by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not doing anything that you're not already doing.

      I have no reason to do anything that you're too afraid to do, can't do, or won't do.

  59. Mr. Wannabe has no accomplishments? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LOL. No, you telling me where I work doesn't change the amount or the payer on my paycheck. by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 04, @09:43AM (#35103238)

    Prove you even have a job, loser, and once more, McDonald's doesn't count. By this point, we know you can't even produce a fraction of the list of accomplishments apk put up that he has, and we know it based on your constantly avoiding answering that question put to you, where apk had a slew of evidences to that very effect by comparison.

    What you posted WAS pseudo code. by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 04, @09:43AM (#35103238)

    That apk was credited for, and it's not pseudocode moron. Pseudocode's written in "pseudo languages" fool. This is how stupid you show us reading here that you are. The code snippet you demanded apk showed is actual working object pascal code that's largely Windows API based so it's easily ported to other languages. Of course, you'd had to have actually programming computers before to know that, and you've just proven to us all you have not (along with showing us you're nothing but an armchair quarterback critic that's never accomplished a damn thing in computing to his name or credit on your part). You still haven't put up a list of accomplishments to your name/credit either as you were asked to do, and we know why that is. You've never done anything worth noting in the field of computing is why, and that's painfully obvious. We are all laughing at you.

  60. It's more than you can show YOU have done, loser by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "You actually think it's a thumbs-up on your reputation that somebody gave you $100 for that ridiculous "guide"?" - by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 04, @12:14PM (#35104820)

    That's more than YOU can show, & it's only 1/12th of the list I put up... whereas yourself, by way of comparison, have nothing, lol...

    ---

    "How long did it take you to write that monstrosity? What's that come out to per hour - a couple bucks? Did you even make minimum wage?" - by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 04, @12:14PM (#35104820)

    Question is, do YOU? You haven't even proved you HAVE a job, loser, and no, again: Your Mickie D's job doesn't count as computer science, lol!

    ---

    "Hell, I make more than that in a few hours! (brb. pay friday. wonder if my paycheck is here yet. ... nope, probably in an hour or two. direct deposit, anyway, so the paycheck is really just for my record-keeping, as it shows how much they took out for taxes, insurance, etc.)" - by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 04, @12:14PM (#35104820)

    Prove it. You asked I prove a number of things, I put up evidence that shut you down easily, here ->

    http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1974312&cid=35085846

    And you clearly do NOT have anything like it to your name (& that's only a small partial list of my fav accomplishments in the freeware/shareware/commercial software arena). I have many more in the Information Systems field (enterprise class systems no less, down to departmental apps too).

    ---

    "Is your time of really so little value that you brag about that like it's some sort of accomplishment? Don't you have something of actual value to put on your resumé?" - by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 04, @12:14PM (#35104820)

    Tons more, & I allude to it above. However, you? LOL, you keep "running away" from showing us all you've done more, & better, than I have in the field of computing (much less earlier than I have, or as many times).

    You're a BIG FAIL.

    ---

    "Seriously... $100? Shit - I'd double your money to never put another word on the internet as long as you lived, if I thought you were even capable of shutting the fuck up - even if you wanted to." - by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 04, @12:14PM (#35104820)

    Watching YOU "shut up" when it comes to putting up anything you've ever done (which is zero) that others noted in respected publications in magazines, books, newspapers etc. is hilarious, by way of comparison: You're just another "wannabe armchair QB" from slashdot, lol!

    ---

    "apk - employment history: made $100 three years ago for a guide I posted on a web forum which banned me for being so awesome - such a good programmer that I have to give my applications away for free - authored shareware reviewed by a bunch of no-name rags over the past couple decades."" - by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 04, @12:14PM (#35104820)

    You? LMAO: You have nothing by way of comparison, lol... & I only put out what's easily verifiable enough, in the shareware/freeware/commercialware arenas I am part of over time... whereas, again, yourself?? You have, zero!

    You're a BIG FAIL, big talker.

    ---

    "No doubt not a day goes by that some poor forum admin over at that forum rues that ill-fated decision they made to ban the notorious apk." - by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 04, @12:14PM (#35104820)

    Not a day goes by where I can't laugh @ the likes of you: A "ne'er-do-well" troll online, with zero accomplishments to his name, and though he demands proof of others, he can't produce any of the same for himself.

    (BIG FAIL AGAIN, loser, on your part)

    ---

    "I bet they moan to themselves over and over "oh, why did we ever ban him? I wish to heaven there was onl

  61. Armchair QB: Show us you've done more than this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Show us all you've done more than this list of my partial list of accomplishments my work was well noted for (only my favs., because the list is a LOT bigger than this) that respected trade publications in the arena of the computer sciences such as Windows IT Pro mag have featured then:

    ---

    Windows NT Magazine (now Windows IT Pro) April 1997 "BACK OFFICE PERFORMANCE" issue, page 61

    (&, for work done for EEC Systems/SuperSpeed.com on PAID CONTRACT (writing portions of their SuperCache program increasing its performance by up to 40% via my work) albeit, for their SuperDisk & HOW TO APPLY IT, took them to a finalist position @ MS Tech Ed, two years in a row 2000-2002, in its HARDEST CATEGORY: SQLServer Performance Enhancement).

    WINDOWS MAGAZINE, 1997, "Top Freeware & Shareware of the Year" issue page 210, #1/first entry in fact (my work is there)

    PC-WELT FEB 1998 - page 84, again, my work is featured there

    WINDOWS MAGAZINE, WINTER 1998 - page 92, insert section, MUST HAVE WARES, my work is again, there

    PC-WELT FEB 1999 - page 83, again, my work is featured there

    CHIP Magazine 7/99 - page 100, my work is there

    GERMAN PC BOOK, Data Becker publisher "PC Aufrusten und Repairen" 2000, where my work is contained in it

    HOT SHAREWARE Numero 46 issue, pg. 54 (PC ware mag from Spain), 2001 my work is there, first one featured, yet again!

    Also, a British PC Mag in 2002 for many utilities I wrote, saw it @ BORDERS BOOKS but didn't buy it... by that point, I had moved onto other areas in this field besides coding only...

    Being paid for an article that made me money over @ PCPitstop in 2008 for writing up a guide that has people showing NO VIRUSES/SPYWARES & other screwups, via following its point, such as THRONKA sees here -> http://www.xtremepccentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=ee926d913b81bf6d63c3c7372fd2a24c&t=28430&page=3

    Lastly, lately (this year)?

    It's also been myself helping out the folks at the UltraDefrag64 project (a 64-bit defragger for Windows), in showing them code for how to do Process Priority Control @ the GUI usermode/ring 3/rpl 3 level in their program (good one too), & being credited for it by their lead dev & his team... see here -> http://ultradefrag.sourceforge.net/handbook/Credits.html

    ---

    We'll be waiting for your response w/ proofs you've done more than I have, earlier than I have, & what-not (funny part is, you'll keep "running away" from that, because we KNOW you haven't done squat, lol).

    You show us you've done more? I'll take back what I said... only thing is, around 14 times or more now?? YOU HAVE EVADED THAT QUESTION!

    ("Gee, why is that"? Not. You haven't done squat! ROTFLMAO!)

    ANOTHER "HUGE FAIL" ON YOUR PART, TROLL!

    Of course, I am fairly certain that's nothing new to you: Your entire life doubtless evidences it, and you're used to it, lol... as well as your lack of any visible accomplishments on your end in the computer sciences.

    APK

    P.S.=> "too, Too, TOO EASY"... just '2EZ', everytime... especially vs. big talking armchair QB wannabe anonymous coward trolls like yourself (big fail on your part)... apk

    1. Re:Armchair QB: Show us you've done more than this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I must have missed the part where you proved any of that.

      P.S. I actually get paid for my work. It's pretty cool, you should try it.

  62. We need your picture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because you fit the definition of "ARMCHAIR QB" perfectly:

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    Main Entry: armchair quarterback
    Part of Speech: n
    Definition: a person who offers advice or an opinion on something in which they have no expertise or involvement
    Example: Super Bowl parties are full of armchair quarterbacks.

    ---

    ROTFLMAO!

    ---

    "P.S. I actually get paid for my work. It's pretty cool, you should try it." - by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 04, @01:43PM (#35105694)

    Really? Prove it! You had me produce all kinds of proofs here, and I did, showing additionally that I have actually done well in the realm of the computer sciences (especially by way of comparison to a big talking "ne'er-do-well" troll like you, that hasn't done squat!).

    Now, let's say you actually DO work: I never said you didn't get paid @ your McDonald's drive thru position, lol...

    Not only that, but you accused me of "stealing code" from MSDN, & newsflash: What I put up isn't "pseudocode" like you stated erroneously - it's Object Pascal code + Windows API work, which ports easily to other languages...

    You didn't know that though, & it makes sense: YOU ARE AN "ARMCHAIR QB", lol, see above.

    LMAO - The funniest part is that MSDN doesn't put out PASCAL CODE (they do examples in ASM, C/C++, VB, or .NET dialects typically).

    APK

    P.S.=>

    " must have missed the part where you proved any of that." - by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 04, @01:43PM (#35105694)

    Learn to read then, you wannabe troll:

    ---

    Windows NT Magazine (now Windows IT Pro) April 1997 "BACK OFFICE PERFORMANCE" issue, page 61

    (&, for work done for EEC Systems/SuperSpeed.com on PAID CONTRACT (writing portions of their SuperCache program increasing its performance by up to 40% via my work) albeit, for their SuperDisk & HOW TO APPLY IT, took them to a finalist position @ MS Tech Ed, two years in a row 2000-2002, in its HARDEST CATEGORY: SQLServer Performance Enhancement).

    WINDOWS MAGAZINE, 1997, "Top Freeware & Shareware of the Year" issue page 210, #1/first entry in fact (my work is there)

    PC-WELT FEB 1998 - page 84, again, my work is featured there

    WINDOWS MAGAZINE, WINTER 1998 - page 92, insert section, MUST HAVE WARES, my work is again, there

    PC-WELT FEB 1999 - page 83, again, my work is featured there

    CHIP Magazine 7/99 - page 100, my work is there

    GERMAN PC BOOK, Data Becker publisher "PC Aufrusten und Repairen" 2000, where my work is contained in it

    HOT SHAREWARE Numero 46 issue, pg. 54 (PC ware mag from Spain), 2001 my work is there, first one featured, yet again!

    Also, a British PC Mag in 2002 for many utilities I wrote, saw it @ BORDERS BOOKS but didn't buy it... by that point, I had moved onto other areas in this field besides coding only...

    Being paid for an article that made me money over @ PCPitstop in 2008 for writing up a guide that has people showing NO VIRUSES/SPYWARES & other screwups, via following its point, such as THRONKA sees here -> http://www.xtremepccentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=ee926d913b81bf6d63c3c7372fd2a24c&t=28430&page=3

    Lastly, lately (this year)?

    It's also been myself helping out the folks at the UltraDefrag64 project (a 64-bit defragger for Windows), in showing them code for how to do Process Priority Control @ the GUI usermode/ring 3/rpl 3 level in their program (good one too), & being credited for it by their lead dev & his team... see here -> http://ultradefrag.sourceforge.net/handbook/Credits.html

    ---

    The day you can show you've done more than that, & earlier than I have, from equally respected sources (such as Windows IT Pro magazine, books, newspapers, & more as I have done, inclusive of commercial software code to my credit)? Is the day you can even BEGIN to think "the likes of you" (an armchair QB troll that hasn't done shit) is in the same league as myself! apk

  63. Where's your proof of your libel? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    as opposed to you, who self-admittedly has made a grand total of $100 in the past 10 years, not counting unemployment benefits. you are NOTHING. cower some more, feeb. you're completely pathetic. by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 04, @03:15PM (#35106508)

    Where did apk say he only made 100 dollars, and how do you know he's unemployed? You aren't very big on providing proofs of your statements, though you demanded it of others, apk specifically, and he shot you down easily here and with proofs of his successes in computing:

    http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1974312&cid=35085846

    You, by comparison, when asked if you'd done the same? You ran from that question and we're all certain of why: You're a wannabe who merely is jealous that others have done well in the science of computing, whereas a loser like you, clearly has not. You also incorrectly blundered calling code you demanded he show you turned out to be pascal code, which you said was pseudocode first of all, and then you said he stole it from msdn (giving away what you yourself do, because your accusations are very telling about yourself). The funny part is, MSDN doesn't do PASCAL code. They do examples in C/C++, VB, or .NET dialects (sometimes ASM too). You're pitiful, and you fail, on all accounts here loser. It must be a shitty life knowing you're only an "ARMCHAIR QUARTERBACK" in the field of computing, and my guess is, also your entire life, you trolling shitbag.

    1. Re:Where's your proof of your libel? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you're an idiot. cower some more, feeb.

  64. Who are you trying to fool: Prove you have a job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My work has actual value. Unlike yours .by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 04, @03:14PM (#35106496)

    Yes, your alleged work which you cannot even prove you do or a job you have, is valuable? I didn't know that being a McDonald's drive thru attendant was valuable!

    I don't need recognition for my work. Unlike you. Because the compensation from my work comes in the form of a paycheck. Unlike yours. .by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 04, @03:14PM (#35106496)

    Yea, you're a regular Bill Gates (not). Clue/new news: A paycheck from McDonalds for being a minimum wage stool-pigeon doesn't a millionaire make.

    I don't do my work for free, .by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 04, @03:14PM (#35106496)

    You don't even have a job, and it certainly isn't in computing (if you even have a job that is. You were asked for proof of it, you can't put it up, anymore than you could when you were asked if you have done anything significant or of good note in the science of computing).

    and I don't give it away for free, and I don't need name recognition from Anonymous Cowards to prove that I've accomplished something with my life. Unlike you. Unlike you. And unlike you. .by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 04, @03:14PM (#35106496)

    Odd how you demanded others prove their statements on what they've done, after you falsely accused them here no less and were shown you were wrong (about apk supposedly stealing code from MSDN that he posted, and you're such an idiot and armchair QB that you don't realize MSDN doesn't put out code examples in PASCAL, but rather in either C/C++, VB, .NET dialects, or Assembly language. APK put up a PASCAL code snippet.).

    And the name recognition that I do have doesn't consist of an article entitled "How to Respond When People Threaten to Sue You on the Web". Again, unlike you. .by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 04, @03:14PM (#35106496)

    You mean THOR SCHMUCK, the fat loser? Ask him about Ty Tymkovich, and Thor being ripped off/conned out of $5,000 (gee, wonder who set that up, lol!)

    And unlike you, my work history doesn't include $100 prizes.by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 04, @03:14PM (#35106496)

    You have a job as much as you had evidences of doing well in the computer sciences (which apk did have & you do not).

  65. Re:It's more than you can show YOU have done, lose by MichaelKristopeit405 · · Score: 1

    you = stagnated. i make more every day than you've made in 10 years. you want what, a picture of my pay stub? you are nothing. you get nothing.

    cower some more, feeb... still waiting for you to update that white pages listing.

  66. Oh, it's you (Stephen Alongi=Clone53421/52431) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hello MichealKristopeit. I remember you from clone53421 (1310749) and of clone52431 (1805862)/Stephen Alongi fiasco you had here, & the problem you had with he (you're probably just he is my guess though) here:

    http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1929880&cid=34773180

    Where you accused him of stealing some photographs of yours etc. online.

    In the end? Well - I drove him away successfully from this forums, as neither Clone guise used has been posted to for more than a month or two now. That was due to his/your technical mistakes here before, and it appears you've been just as "successful" (lol, not) here in this exchange (not).

    APK

    1. Re:Oh, it's you (Stephen Alongi=Clone53421/52431) by MichaelKristopeit405 · · Score: 1

      ea != ae

      you're an idiot.

  67. MichaelKristopeit=Clone52431/53421=Stephen Alongi? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1974312&cid=35109252

    Explains it all. Look MichealKristopeit (or should I say Stephen Alongi... or your other guises you kept here while you stalked me under them before here, of clone53421 (1310749) and of clone52431 (1805862)):

    You seem to like to "stalk me" online here, like somekind of sick online psycho stalker freak for months here now, if not longer under yet more of your assumed logon guises here on /., which you admit to having, here:

    PERTINENT QUOTE/EXCERPT:

    http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1767418&cid=33443952

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    "then why do i have 20 accounts with mod points?" - by Michael Kristopeit on Wednesday September 01, @07:24PM (#33443952) Attached to: UVB-76 Explained

    ---

    That explains even more about you, AND, how you "operate", using many multiple accounts on your end, which is lame (and dishonest, because you can mod up OR mod down others as you see fit, whether they merit it or not).

    Now, some FYI/new news for you:

    I can post more than 10 times a day here, and I do so under AC credentials no less... but, you have to know how to "beat the system" in order to do what I do, and clearly, you do NOT know how that's done, further indicating your weakness in mastery of things "networking" online also.

    Since you've lost your behind everytime you have tried to do that, as shown in the URL above? You might as well grow up, get used to it, & give up... because you always lose when you try that with me!

    APK

    P.S.=> Or hasn't history here shown you that already numerous times in addition to your blunder here of incorrectly calling code you demanded I put out here that turned out to be pascal code, which you said was pseudocode first of all, and then you said I had stolen it from msdn (giving away what you yourself do, because your accusations are very telling about yourself).

    The funny part is, MSDN doesn't do PASCAL code. They do examples in C/C++, VB, or .NET dialects, OR sometimes, ASM too. but not pascal, which is what I put out...

    So, so much for your "accusations", You armchair QB ->

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/armchair+quarterback

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    Main Entry: armchair quarterback
    Part of Speech: n
    Definition: a person who offers advice or an opinion on something in which they have no expertise or involvement
    Example: Super Bowl parties are full of armchair quarterbacks.

    ---

    apk

  68. What's your problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No questions asked. I mean, what are you bothering ME for?

    I.E.-> I am not Clone52431/Clone53421, who you said was Stephen Alongi (and he admitted to it), and that he stole your photographs, from the link URL I posted last time.

    What's your problem?

    APK

    P.S.=>

    "you're an idiot." - by MichaelKristopeit405 (1990180) on Monday February 07, @09:31AM (#35125834

    Me? You're attempting to "troll me", and for what?? Additionally, you're the fool with like 500 accounts here... what the hell for??? So you can troll others endlessly for no good reason???? apk

    1. Re:What's your problem? by MichaelKristopeit405 · · Score: 1

      so says the anonymous coward who trolls others endlessly for no good reason. you're an idiot.

  69. Speak for yourself, douchebag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everyone here knows you're a twisted freak.

    1. Re:Speak for yourself, douchebag by MichaelKristopeit405 · · Score: 1

      you're an idiot.

  70. So says the fool with 405++ accounts here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "you're an idiot." - by MichaelKristopeit405 (1990180) on Wednesday February 09, @04:26PM (#35154850)

    See subject-line. You're a known troll around here, and from some of the posts I have bookmarked here with yourself & your other "registered luser" nicknames of Clone53421 + Clone52431? Please... you're also a known weirdo/freak around here & elsewhere online as well.

    APK

    P.S.=> You couldn't even get the fact that the code I wrote up & posted here is in Object Pascal, not C/C++, VB, .NET dialects, or Assembly code, which is what you get @ MSDN (though you accused me of stealing code from there)... Eat your words, chump, eat your words & especially on THAT account & false accusation you levelled my way, which that much easily disproves... "too, Too, TOO EASY" - just '2EZ'...apk

    1. Re:So says the fool with 405++ accounts here by MichaelKristopeit405 · · Score: 1

      you're an idiot.