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First Look At Chrome 10
jbrodkin writes "Boosted JavaScript performance, Adobe Flash sandboxing, password encryption and an overhauled settings interface are among the new features in Google Chrome 10. JavaScript pages should now load 12% faster than in previous versions, and Chrome 10 beats IE9 by at least 50% in a JavaScript benchmark."
...because it's 1 version more.
There's no -1 for "I don't get it."
Did Google do anything about the Chrome botnet?
"Boosted JavaScript performance"
I have JavaScript turned off all of the time... Why is such at problematic feature boasted about as the most significant feature.
JavaScript the fastest feature that is turned off!!!
I remember installing Chrome when it first came out and them almost immediately uninstalling it. Either it or Symantec EP had a bug, and the browser window would immediately crash. 9 versions later... these guys have made an absolutely incredible product. I simply don't know what I'd do without my bookmark sync. Their app store needs some work, though, right now it's more of a bookmark store.
Ack! TFA is a seven or eight page "slideshow" that has pretty much zero actual comment. What a waste.
And I actually really LIKE Chrome (on the PC; Opera on the phone).
Three Squirrels
At least for me, I've been trying to make it work for more than a year, with the latest version but it is buggy as hell. I'll give it a try when they come with a new version for Linux.
~~~Please pass the salt, I hate unsalted MD5s
Javascript benchmarkS? You mean chrome's own benchmark? Because it's scoring less in SunSpider, and it's certainly not beating IE9 in it. Not that this matters a whole lot, anyway.
the site loads but no text.. works on ie. lame.
TFA is a little thin - it is basically a slideshow.
Still, IE9 beats out Chrome 10 in webkits own sunspider benchmark. On my old rig:
IE9: 348.2ms +/- 0.8%
Chrome: 446.0ms +/- 1.9%
Reading slashdot one-liner: (irm http://rss.slashdot.org/Slashdot/slashdot).rdf.item | fl title,desc*
While I really like the idea I can already imagine getting million phone calls from relatives/various people on why they can't access various sites or the internet bank because of an outdated java (or something else). Sometimes even if you tell them that upgrades are necessary & good for the system they still think that all the nag screens are not normal and think that there is something wrong (go figure), plus most people are kind of helpless until you either go there and fix it yourself or spending some time on the phone and guiding step by step. :p
I already tried this with a few nightly builds and I had to manually enable java 3 times during one online bank session. Once it even forced me to enable it two times in the row. Sure I tend to keep it updated all the time but back then It wasn't up to date, having 3 nag screens when you are in a hurry is a bit frustrating..
I do hope there is a way to disable this (or tone it down), The idea itself is great though.
You might be able to pretend you're not running complete junk. The benchmark should use a heavy Slashdot comment page. If it can load in three seconds, you gotta winner.
For justice, we must go to Don Corleone
"Google Releases Stable Version of Chrome 10"
Is it really this hard for /. editors to use the handy little search function this site provides and see if a story is a dupe? This story was even posted two days ago (albeit on a different website but it's pretty much the same thing).
"Our country is not nearly so overrun with the bigoted as it is overrun with the broadminded." -Archbishop Fulton Sheen
<breathless>JavaScript pages should now load 12% faster than in previous versions, and Chrome 10 beats IE9 by at least 50% in a JavaScript benchmark.</breathless>
I just came in my pants! 12% faster!
chrome.exe -disk-cache-dir="Z:\CTmp" --disk-cache-size=40000000 --user-data-dir="Z:\CTmp"
The "-disk-cache-dir" &/or -user-data-dir are PROBABLY going to be of interest to you... they were to me @ least!
(I move ALL of my webbrowser programs' caches (IE9, Opera 11.x, FireFox RC1, & Chrome) is why!)
Not just caches, but, also - Userdata!
All of that, & MORE, to my SSD (Gigabyte IRAM, true SSD 4gb, non-FLASH Ram based (DDR-2))
Hey - it's very, Very, VERY F A S T, on both reads & writes is why, unlike FLASH Ram based solutions, & will last longer too + more reliably.
Faster, is good...!
Especially w/ smallish files, like webbrowser caches are mostly...
My SSD's 4kb formatted to match the memmgt subsystem, & also NTFS compressed + realtime defragged...
So I double my space (MORE than double with repetitive text data, & a lot of this IS that kind of text, try 10x space gains here if not more)
All that, & instant RAMDrive access/seek speeds too... beat that with a stick, & enjoy the commandline if you're a Chrome freak.
More of a diehard Opera fan here (Italian Opera rules though!)
APK
P.S.=> I also place my pagefile.sys, OS Event Logging, App logging, %temp%, %tmp%, & %comspec% pointed there on the Gigabyte IRAM also (i.e.-> cmd.exe is there, & all OS + apps do temp ops there))...
That alone really unburdens the slower disks (& also stops the wearing out of them, faster, too & lessens fragmentation as well on them)...
So I unloaded them!
They need it by comparison in speed is why (Yes, even w/ a WD Velociraptor 10k rpm 300gb here)... Do I notice though that my HDD's are faster? Sure... less queued up work, less interference, etc.
RamDrives/SSD's (True Ones like I use that is, NOT flash) are awesome for systems that "just respond" instantly, to anything, & lots of it multitasked... apk
You guys are still talking about 10 stable. How about 11.0.696.1 dev? Works great!
If we're benchmarking unreleased software how about going head to head with FireFox 5? We'll only have to wait a month or so of If FireFox is on the same release schedule as Chrome.
& all that other scared/angry behavior...
another glance at our intentions;
1. DEWEAPONIZATION (not a real word, but they like it) almost nothing else good happens until some progress here.
2. ALL BABYS CREATED/TO BE TREATED, EQUALLY. (a rough interpretation (probably cost us. seems like a no-brainer but they expressed that we fail on that one too(:)->) 'we do not need any 300$ 'strollers', or even to ride in your smelly cars/planes etc..., until such time as ALL of the creators' innocents have at least food, shelter, & some loving folks nearby.' again, this is a deal breaker, so pay attention, that's cheap enough, & could lead to our survival?
3. THOU SHALT NOT VACCINATE IRRESPONSIBLY. this appears to be a stop-gap intention.
the genuine feelings expressed included; in addition to the lack of acknowledgment of the advances/evolution of our tiny bodies/dna (including consciousness & intellect), almost nobody knows anymore what's in those things (vaccines) (or they'd tell us), & there's rumor much of it is less than good (possibly fatal) for ANY of us. if it were good for us we'd be gravitating towards it, instead of it being shoved in our little veins, wrecking them, & adversely affecting our improving immune systems/dna/development? at rite-aid, they give the mommies 100$ if they let them stick their babys with whoknowswhat? i can see why they're (the little ones) extremely suspicious? they're also asking that absolutely nobody be allowed to insert those corepirate nazi 'identity' 'chips' in their tiny frames. they know who they, and we, are, much better than we ever will? many, oddly? have fading inclinations to want to be reporters of nefarious life threatening processes, ie. 'conspiracies', as they sincerely believe that's 'stuff that REALLY matters', but they KNOW that things are going to be out in the open soon, so they intend to put their ever increasing consciousness, intellect, acute/astute senses & information gathering abilities, to the care & feeding of their fellow humans. no secrets to cover up with that goal.
4. AN END TO MANUFACTURED 'WEATHER'.
sortie like a no-(aerosol tankers)-fly zone being imposed over the whole planet. the thinking is, the planet will continue to repair itself, even if we stop pretending that it's ok/nothing's happening. after the weather manipulation is stopped (& it will be) it could get extremely warm/cold/blustery some days. many of us will be moving inland..., but we'll (most of us anyway) be ok, so long as we keep our heads up. conversely, the manufactured 'weather' puts us in a state of 'theater' that allows US to think that we needn't modify our megaslothian heritage of excessiveness/disregard for ourselves, others, what's left of our environment etc...? all research indicates that spraying chemicals in the sky is 100% detrimental to our/planet's well being (or they'd talk to US about it?). as for weather 'extremes', we certainly appear to be in a bleeding rash of same, as well as all that bogus seismic activity, which throws our advanced tiny baby magnets & chromosomes into crisis/escape mode, so that's working? we're a group whose senses are more available to us (like monkeys?) partly because we're not yet totally distracted by the foibles of man'kind'. the other 'part' is truly amazing. we saw nuclear war being touted on PBS as an environmental repair tool (?depopulation? (makes the babys' 'accountants' see dark red:-(-? yikes. so what gives?
thanks for your patience & understanding while we learn to express our intentions. everybody has some. let us know. come to some of our million baby play-dates. no big hurry? catch your breath. we'll wait a bit more. thanks.
do the math. check out YOUR dna/intentional healing potential. thanks again.
Because people like you who turn JavaScript off are tiny minority of users. Almost everyone else actually uses and enjoys it.
Anyone who loves or hates any language, platform, or manufacturer, doesn't know what they're talking about.
Her Favorite Color Is Chrome:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmAAaXI8riY
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LOL: Ordinarily, I'm not much into country, but... that tune says it for me... hot rodding a PC, is just like anything else, & worth it (& little tricks start adding up to a LOT, a noticeable lot).
APK
P.S.=> "Hotrod your LIFE" baby, yes, even your browsers, why? Well, why not, & also, lol, because of her favorite color... lol! You know what that is by now, don't you? It's also the topic... & you ought to try staying on it sometime! Thanks... apk
Written by John Resig for Mozilla:
http://dromaeo.com/
I'm interested in seeing how much DOM manipulation improves w/ Chrome 10.
I'm still waiting for NoScript, so I can use Chrome without being blasted with pop-unders and unwanted noisy video ads. Until then, I'll suffer the slowness of Firefox.
Does it have a master password yet? Until then there's no way I can use it.
Almost everyone uses it. Few enjoy it.
Gone!
I won't touch Chrome as long as it has that horrible interface that looks completely alien in any operating system.
Circumcision is child abuse.
I realize there's not one best browser--each one could use some improvement in comparison to the standards of others.
For example, in my personal experience,Firefox's bookmark organization far outweighs that of Chrome's, Safari (though a bit slower), renders pdf pages faser than Chrome's, and in general, Chrome is faster than all the others when loading web pages.
Still, I think Chrome is definitely starting to pull ahead of the game. They seem to have the resources capable of doing so in any case.
Her Favorite Color Is Chrome:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmAAaXI8riY [youtube.com]
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LOL: Ordinarily, I'm not much into country, but... that tune says it for me... hot rodding a PC, is just like anything else, & worth it (& little tricks start adding up to a LOT, a noticeable lot)...
APK
P.S.=> "Hotrod your LIFE" baby, yes, even your browsers, why? Well, why not, & also, lol, because of her favorite color... lol! You know what that is by now, don't you? It's also the topic... & you ought to try staying on it sometime! Thanks... apk
I realize there's not one best browser--each one could use some improvement in comparison to the standards of others
And still can't run 'NoScript'. :-(
Sticking with Firefox until I have the safety of NoScript.
- For the complete works of Shakespeare: cat
Flash seems to be busted for me on Chrome 10. The controls will not work always on youtube. also most of the time if I click a different tab then go back, Flash is replaced with the content of the other tab (it shows what would be in the same location if I was on the other tab). This is happening on my work machine, work laptop and home PC. ::sadface::
I have been ejoying the FF RC though.
No sig for you!!
[citation needed]
can i adjust the max width of my bookmark menu when i pull them out? can i fix the status bar permanently at the bottom?
Firefox is still faster in at least one real-world web app that matters to me. A free GPS smartphone app called Waze lets you edit and make corrections to the map by signing in to your account on their website. Their editor at http://www.waze.com/cartouche/ is where you make these edits, and Firefox is amazingly responsive with this web app. Chrome, on the other hand, has been getting more and more aggravating to use with this app. User input responsiveness has been getting worse and worse ever since Google starting making huge gains in their javascript performance. If I click on a road segment in Firefox it pretty much instantly gets selected and highlighted. There is a very large delay in doing the same thing in Chrome. In Firefox, if I click on some point in the map and drag to move my view of the map, the map starts moving right away. If I do the same in Chrome I get the same glacial delay before it starts moving the map, and every time you drag the mouse before letting go of the mouse button there is the same delay before your movement translates to movement of the map. In fact, any and all user interactions with the app involves an awful lot of delay. And why, I don't know. How come it's perfectly fluid in Firefox, and in Chrome it's an exercise in patience? If Chrome is *that* much faster, why is it an insane amount slower to edit Waze maps with it?
I got your "master password", RIGHT HERE!
But I mean, javascript has been around forever and they are still optimizing and making it run faster??? Why can't they just make it run fast, period? Do browser makers really have to play this game of "I gots 12% faster in JS then you did, what can you do?"
Also, you know what runs faster then javascript? Native machine code. Which is why I think trying to make a browser into an OS is about the dumbest thing I have ever heard of.
Chrome is good, Chrome OS is dumb, period.
I saw the link. Congratulations. You can follow simple instructions in which the ready to use, literal, verbatim commands are provided for you.
Wow. Next thing ya know, you'll be performing tasks that require abstract thought! Oh man, you must be filled with anticipation.
I wish they'd spend more time on optimizing operations that modify the DOM, and not just focus on JS optimization. The DOM is still a huge bottleneck.
Just answer the question in my subject-line: Then? Then, you'd be @ least, lol, SLIGHTLY on topic here!
Here, let me help with "Visual Aids", lol, for a learning disabled troll like yourself:
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Her Favorite Color Is Chrome:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmAAaXI8riY
(Copyright/Patent Pending by APK (before GOOGLE does, lol!))
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LOL: Ordinarily, I'm not much into country, but... YES, lol, that tune says it for me, especially in response to this from you, trolls:
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2032058&cid=35449394
(So, just ANSWER THE QUESTION IN MY SUBJECT-LINE, & then? Then, you'd be @ least SLIGHTLY on topic, instead of just being the troll you clearly, are!)
APK
P.S.=> Ah, yes, as is "per-my-usual"? That was JUST "too, Too, TOO EASY - just '2EZ'", & especially vs. these puny /. off-topic TROLLS! lol... apk
I personally like the idea of google in bringing thin client OS and making applications web based. It works grate in countries like US but countries running with low internet bandwidths will really suffer -- who knows, things might change by the time final version is out. We will be able to talk more when the final version is OUT..
steve barbarich, directtohomeappliances
I guess that rarely used Firefox plug-in NOSCRIPT should be depricated. I mean really NO ONE uses it!!! Because we all just LOVE virus vectors, flashing, blinking and any number of annoying content.
Oh wait, you're full of ShipppppppppppppppppppppsssssssssssT...
Do you work for Google???
Go ahead Mod me down... I take pride in having a dissenting opinion especially when it is the Dominant feeling among web users...
Most users of NoScript have a non-empty whitelist of sites which are permitted to run scripts. Those that actually do something useful - like, you know, Slashdot.
On a side note, you also, apparently, take pride in Capitalizing random Nouns. ~
Take all of your browsers and stick 'em. I'll look when I give a fuck.
Last year, my daughter and I did a web page that generates mazes because she loves mazes and was amazed that I told her that the computer can be made to make one.
Trying it on IE8, I thought the page was broken. It took almost all day to complete what FF and Safari and Chrome did in seconds.
I then added some instrumentation and other HTML/DOM layouts to test the browsers. You can see this at http://sinz.org/Maze/
By the way, IE9 RC is much better but still an order of magnitude behind Chrome.
For over a year, the combination of Chrome + X.org + NVidia binary drivers exposes some flaw that causes X to crash. This may be limited to particular hardware configurations, particular versions of X.org but all of my efforts to determine such have produced no results.
None of the three groups involved have done anything about this or acknowledged the issue, which is just awful. As brilliant as Chrome is, using it under Linux just causes too many problems for those impacted by this problem.
Javascript is turned on in 90-95% of browsers in use.
Me working for Google is irrelevant: Most people leave Javascript enabled and don't block it.
You can go ahead and take pride in being 90-95% wrong, through. Yer bad to the bone, you are, a real rebel, the way you fight... well, reality.
Anyone who loves or hates any language, platform, or manufacturer, doesn't know what they're talking about.
To be clear, I don't work for Google. I meant that the identity of my employer is irrelevent when I've got objective statistics backing me up.
Anyone who loves or hates any language, platform, or manufacturer, doesn't know what they're talking about.
Can I have mouse gestures that work on speed dial pages yet? What about an actually workable AdBlock / NoScript? The Chrome plugin API is so neutered that if you can't find the functionality in the (sparse) vanilla product, you're basically SOL for the features you find most valuable because plugin developers couldn't implement them properly even if they wanted to.
I personally can't imagine browsing the Internet without mouse gestures, and that includes the fucking speed dial.
Yeah, I still don't understand why anyone gives a shit about Chrome.
It took them 10 major versions to realize that password needs to be encrypted. Also, alteast on Linux, the passwords were stored as plain text in a sqlite database. Not sure whether they have fixed it or not. This is not to say Chrome/Chromium is not good, just that they may have ignored a few key things till now. If the firefox development focussed less on app tabs and/or Panorama and other junk, focussed more on core, they would have been much better. Also, regarding the settings interface, Chrome allows least freedom for anyone to change the browser settings ala about:config in firefox. Also, important stuff like support for SOCKS proxy were added quite late into its versioning cycle.
NotScripts
It's not perfect, but it does the trick.
Next requirement: RefControl replacement.
Last time I checked I could not use Chrome for browsing documentation loaded from the local disk. This is the most innocent HTML application imaginable - just a frameset with the navigation panel on the left (TOC, Index, etc.) and the actual contents on the right. And Chrome will not allow one frame (e.g. the TOC) to load a page in another frame because it is a security risk. Duh...
Ha ha - hotmail!!!! You're soooo funny dude.
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/networking/chrome-10-vs-internet-explorer-9-reconsidered/792?pg=2&tag=mantle_skin;content
throw new NoSignatureException();
Because people like you who turn JavaScript off are tiny minority of users. Almost everyone else actually uses and enjoys it.
Your not kidding. Our site has 0.05% of users with JavaScript disabled (or otherwise unavailable)
Yeah, people hate to be able to use IM and get instant update notifications in Facebook.
which is totally what she said
Its only problematic for the following reasons.
1) Vendors not supporting common standards, instead inventing alternative ones that effectively do the same thing or , failing that,they are just missing
2) Developers not testing properly in a wide range of common browsers , worse still locking our certain browsers completely.
3) Developers not providing graceful degradation for users whose browsers do not support certain features, or have javascript turned off.
Most of these issues could be resolved if issue number 1 was fixed. Sadly certain companies refuse to do this because they have too much dominance in the marketplace. That said (Coming from a Chrome Lover) - I was actually quite surprised when I tried out the IE9 test drive and found that not only were they accessible from other browsers - but in Chrome on Linux (I didnt test Firefox) many of the tests ran just fine (http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/). Which makes me wonder if the world is about to be a better place for developers.
N.
Electronic Music Made Using Linux http://soundcloud.com/polyp
Just in case you missed the alternative that actually lets people use the map for something try osm.org.
Currently, there is no need for faster JS except on mobile devices, where jQuery still takes ~500ms to load and parse on every page (measured on an iPhone 3G). The only people who should care about faster JS, apart from the microcosmos of server-side JS people (node.js, RingoJS), are those who want to replace fast, native applications with crappy JS apps run from the browser. Nowdays, at last, desktops perform so well that noone needs to complain about slow, bloated applications and what do we do? We try to obsolete them and switch to something that is at least an order of magnitude slower. /facepalm ...
"I love my job, but I hate talking to people like you" (Freddie Mercury)
I've just upgraded to Chrome 10.0.648.127.
Funny enough, when I click the "many more" bar at the bottom of the frontpage... well it just starts loading again the current frontpage from the beginning...
I tried out the new settings, and when checking out the password encryption, it automatically loaded KWallet, the default password store in KDE. That's it, as of right now Chromium is my default browser.
-- B.
This sig does in fact not have the property it claims not to have.
Nuff said...
Chrome is my favorite browser, but it is still slow in some ways. While testing a web app I'm writing, if I hit F5 (Refresh), it takes several seconds for it to reload the page and all its images (even with all content is coming from localhost). Every other browser I test with handles the refresh almost instantly. Sure Chrome runs the JavaScript faster after it downloads it, but something is wrong with the way it manages downloads.
Oh, I didn't realize I was asking a question to an AC. Getting a response from that is impossible.
I tried safe-mail as well when I was looking for an allegedly non-mainstream and secure mail service. It didn't impress me but what really made me ponder if I should use such service was the fact that it was based in Israel. I don't know if I'm being paranoid but putting emphasis on providing a safe mail service would be a great place for Intelligence Agencies to perform surveillance.
PRIVACY: Safe-mail.net will not disclose information about you or your use of the Safe-mail.net system, unless Safe-mail.net believes that such action is necessary to comply with its legal requirements or process; enforce these terms; or protect the interests of Safe-mail.net, its members or others. You agree that Safe-mail.net may access your account, including its contents, for these reasons or for service or technical reasons. Please note that your Internet Protocol address is transmitted with each message sent from your account.
You're simply taking their word for it as with EVERY other mail service.
Anyway, this started because the AC said he liked chrome but hated gmail and I wanted to know the reasons. If you pitch it against safe-mail for both features and User Interface I don't think safe-mail stands a chance. However, if you don't trust Google (which was the problem I faced when communicating with someone who didn't want our mail exchange to be over gmail) I don't really understand why you would trust safe-mail at all. I don't see a reason to pick it unless for the false sense of security it might provide.
Wouldn't PGP encryption be better if your concern was data privacy?
I've heard good things about http://www.mailvault.com/ but I haven't tried it.
"Science can amuse and fascinate us all, but it is engineering that changes the world. " - Asimov.
Especially since they sped up Chrome even more in javascript processing (the doorway to trouble too, unfortunately)... effectively "hotrodding" it!
(Chrome's now up there with Opera as far as performance imo, & Opera's STILL my fav. on the PC too though):
"And I actually really LIKE Chrome (on the PC; Opera on the phone)." - by rueger (210566) * on Thursday March 10, @08:21PM (#35449238) Homepage
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Her Favorite Color Is Chrome:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmAAaXI8riY
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Enjoy!
APK
P.S.=> Copyright/Patent pending to APK (lol - before GOOGLE "makes the connection" to that tune)... apk
As much as I use (and like) Chrome, I can't use it for online purchases! For that I use Firefox. Chrome 9 (on Ubuntu 10.10) seems to get confused about half the time.
Why don't you just associate your gmail account to an msn live passport and use that to chat with Windows Live Messenger?
"Science can amuse and fascinate us all, but it is engineering that changes the world. " - Asimov.
However, because of the fact that you obnoxiously repeat it a thousand million times per story like you do with all your other comments by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 10, @08:56PM (#35449394)
Where else did apk mention this in this article's thread? Unless you can back that up, you're just another trolling asshole.
Go ahead Mod me down... I take pride in having a dissenting opinion
So says Anonymous Coward. Hopefully no one wastes a mod point on you.
Awsome !
All those things I'll be able to do during those precious milliseconds... !
Seriously, stop about the stupid javascript speed race, and focus on user experience, protection of privacy.
Ha damn, we are talking about Google... User privacy is their currency.
Well good if it pushes competition to improve, other than that I am not sure what to get out of it
Windows Live Messenger is widely used among spanish speakers for casual communication (and sometimes work).
Gtalk is gaining audience in the business oriented sectors.
"Science can amuse and fascinate us all, but it is engineering that changes the world. " - Asimov.
I don't enjoy reduced page functionality (I know, that's bad design, but Twitter doesn't even work without JS turned on anymore... They should be ashamed).
I am not devoid of humor.