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First Look At Chrome 10
jbrodkin writes "Boosted JavaScript performance, Adobe Flash sandboxing, password encryption and an overhauled settings interface are among the new features in Google Chrome 10. JavaScript pages should now load 12% faster than in previous versions, and Chrome 10 beats IE9 by at least 50% in a JavaScript benchmark."
...because it's 1 version more.
There's no -1 for "I don't get it."
I remember installing Chrome when it first came out and them almost immediately uninstalling it. Either it or Symantec EP had a bug, and the browser window would immediately crash. 9 versions later... these guys have made an absolutely incredible product. I simply don't know what I'd do without my bookmark sync. Their app store needs some work, though, right now it's more of a bookmark store.
Ack! TFA is a seven or eight page "slideshow" that has pretty much zero actual comment. What a waste.
And I actually really LIKE Chrome (on the PC; Opera on the phone).
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At least for me, I've been trying to make it work for more than a year, with the latest version but it is buggy as hell. I'll give it a try when they come with a new version for Linux.
~~~Please pass the salt, I hate unsalted MD5s
Javascript benchmarkS? You mean chrome's own benchmark? Because it's scoring less in SunSpider, and it's certainly not beating IE9 in it. Not that this matters a whole lot, anyway.
TFA is a little thin - it is basically a slideshow.
Still, IE9 beats out Chrome 10 in webkits own sunspider benchmark. On my old rig:
IE9: 348.2ms +/- 0.8%
Chrome: 446.0ms +/- 1.9%
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While I really like the idea I can already imagine getting million phone calls from relatives/various people on why they can't access various sites or the internet bank because of an outdated java (or something else). Sometimes even if you tell them that upgrades are necessary & good for the system they still think that all the nag screens are not normal and think that there is something wrong (go figure), plus most people are kind of helpless until you either go there and fix it yourself or spending some time on the phone and guiding step by step. :p
I already tried this with a few nightly builds and I had to manually enable java 3 times during one online bank session. Once it even forced me to enable it two times in the row. Sure I tend to keep it updated all the time but back then It wasn't up to date, having 3 nag screens when you are in a hurry is a bit frustrating..
I do hope there is a way to disable this (or tone it down), The idea itself is great though.
You might be able to pretend you're not running complete junk. The benchmark should use a heavy Slashdot comment page. If it can load in three seconds, you gotta winner.
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"Google Releases Stable Version of Chrome 10"
Is it really this hard for /. editors to use the handy little search function this site provides and see if a story is a dupe? This story was even posted two days ago (albeit on a different website but it's pretty much the same thing).
"Our country is not nearly so overrun with the bigoted as it is overrun with the broadminded." -Archbishop Fulton Sheen
<breathless>JavaScript pages should now load 12% faster than in previous versions, and Chrome 10 beats IE9 by at least 50% in a JavaScript benchmark.</breathless>
I just came in my pants! 12% faster!
Perhaps you should try Chrome 10 - it's out now you know.
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If we're benchmarking unreleased software how about going head to head with FireFox 5? We'll only have to wait a month or so of If FireFox is on the same release schedule as Chrome.
Because people like you who turn JavaScript off are tiny minority of users. Almost everyone else actually uses and enjoys it.
Anyone who loves or hates any language, platform, or manufacturer, doesn't know what they're talking about.
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I'm interested in seeing how much DOM manipulation improves w/ Chrome 10.
I'm still waiting for NoScript, so I can use Chrome without being blasted with pop-unders and unwanted noisy video ads. Until then, I'll suffer the slowness of Firefox.
Does it have a master password yet? Until then there's no way I can use it.
Almost everyone uses it. Few enjoy it.
Gone!
I won't touch Chrome as long as it has that horrible interface that looks completely alien in any operating system.
Circumcision is child abuse.
I realize there's not one best browser--each one could use some improvement in comparison to the standards of others.
For example, in my personal experience,Firefox's bookmark organization far outweighs that of Chrome's, Safari (though a bit slower), renders pdf pages faser than Chrome's, and in general, Chrome is faster than all the others when loading web pages.
Still, I think Chrome is definitely starting to pull ahead of the game. They seem to have the resources capable of doing so in any case.
And still can't run 'NoScript'. :-(
Sticking with Firefox until I have the safety of NoScript.
- For the complete works of Shakespeare: cat
Flash seems to be busted for me on Chrome 10. The controls will not work always on youtube. also most of the time if I click a different tab then go back, Flash is replaced with the content of the other tab (it shows what would be in the same location if I was on the other tab). This is happening on my work machine, work laptop and home PC. ::sadface::
I have been ejoying the FF RC though.
No sig for you!!
bah, 11.0.699.0 Canary.. working great for me!
can i adjust the max width of my bookmark menu when i pull them out? can i fix the status bar permanently at the bottom?
Firefox is still faster in at least one real-world web app that matters to me. A free GPS smartphone app called Waze lets you edit and make corrections to the map by signing in to your account on their website. Their editor at http://www.waze.com/cartouche/ is where you make these edits, and Firefox is amazingly responsive with this web app. Chrome, on the other hand, has been getting more and more aggravating to use with this app. User input responsiveness has been getting worse and worse ever since Google starting making huge gains in their javascript performance. If I click on a road segment in Firefox it pretty much instantly gets selected and highlighted. There is a very large delay in doing the same thing in Chrome. In Firefox, if I click on some point in the map and drag to move my view of the map, the map starts moving right away. If I do the same in Chrome I get the same glacial delay before it starts moving the map, and every time you drag the mouse before letting go of the mouse button there is the same delay before your movement translates to movement of the map. In fact, any and all user interactions with the app involves an awful lot of delay. And why, I don't know. How come it's perfectly fluid in Firefox, and in Chrome it's an exercise in patience? If Chrome is *that* much faster, why is it an insane amount slower to edit Waze maps with it?
I wish they'd spend more time on optimizing operations that modify the DOM, and not just focus on JS optimization. The DOM is still a huge bottleneck.
Most users of NoScript have a non-empty whitelist of sites which are permitted to run scripts. Those that actually do something useful - like, you know, Slashdot.
On a side note, you also, apparently, take pride in Capitalizing random Nouns. ~
Last year, my daughter and I did a web page that generates mazes because she loves mazes and was amazed that I told her that the computer can be made to make one.
Trying it on IE8, I thought the page was broken. It took almost all day to complete what FF and Safari and Chrome did in seconds.
I then added some instrumentation and other HTML/DOM layouts to test the browsers. You can see this at http://sinz.org/Maze/
By the way, IE9 RC is much better but still an order of magnitude behind Chrome.
Javascript is turned on in 90-95% of browsers in use.
Me working for Google is irrelevant: Most people leave Javascript enabled and don't block it.
You can go ahead and take pride in being 90-95% wrong, through. Yer bad to the bone, you are, a real rebel, the way you fight... well, reality.
Anyone who loves or hates any language, platform, or manufacturer, doesn't know what they're talking about.
To be clear, I don't work for Google. I meant that the identity of my employer is irrelevent when I've got objective statistics backing me up.
Anyone who loves or hates any language, platform, or manufacturer, doesn't know what they're talking about.
Can I have mouse gestures that work on speed dial pages yet? What about an actually workable AdBlock / NoScript? The Chrome plugin API is so neutered that if you can't find the functionality in the (sparse) vanilla product, you're basically SOL for the features you find most valuable because plugin developers couldn't implement them properly even if they wanted to.
I personally can't imagine browsing the Internet without mouse gestures, and that includes the fucking speed dial.
It took them 10 major versions to realize that password needs to be encrypted. Also, alteast on Linux, the passwords were stored as plain text in a sqlite database. Not sure whether they have fixed it or not. This is not to say Chrome/Chromium is not good, just that they may have ignored a few key things till now. If the firefox development focussed less on app tabs and/or Panorama and other junk, focussed more on core, they would have been much better. Also, regarding the settings interface, Chrome allows least freedom for anyone to change the browser settings ala about:config in firefox. Also, important stuff like support for SOCKS proxy were added quite late into its versioning cycle.
Last time I checked I could not use Chrome for browsing documentation loaded from the local disk. This is the most innocent HTML application imaginable - just a frameset with the navigation panel on the left (TOC, Index, etc.) and the actual contents on the right. And Chrome will not allow one frame (e.g. the TOC) to load a page in another frame because it is a security risk. Duh...
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/networking/chrome-10-vs-internet-explorer-9-reconsidered/792?pg=2&tag=mantle_skin;content
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Because people like you who turn JavaScript off are tiny minority of users. Almost everyone else actually uses and enjoys it.
Your not kidding. Our site has 0.05% of users with JavaScript disabled (or otherwise unavailable)
Yeah, people hate to be able to use IM and get instant update notifications in Facebook.
which is totally what she said
Its only problematic for the following reasons.
1) Vendors not supporting common standards, instead inventing alternative ones that effectively do the same thing or , failing that,they are just missing
2) Developers not testing properly in a wide range of common browsers , worse still locking our certain browsers completely.
3) Developers not providing graceful degradation for users whose browsers do not support certain features, or have javascript turned off.
Most of these issues could be resolved if issue number 1 was fixed. Sadly certain companies refuse to do this because they have too much dominance in the marketplace. That said (Coming from a Chrome Lover) - I was actually quite surprised when I tried out the IE9 test drive and found that not only were they accessible from other browsers - but in Chrome on Linux (I didnt test Firefox) many of the tests ran just fine (http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/). Which makes me wonder if the world is about to be a better place for developers.
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Just in case you missed the alternative that actually lets people use the map for something try osm.org.
Currently, there is no need for faster JS except on mobile devices, where jQuery still takes ~500ms to load and parse on every page (measured on an iPhone 3G). The only people who should care about faster JS, apart from the microcosmos of server-side JS people (node.js, RingoJS), are those who want to replace fast, native applications with crappy JS apps run from the browser. Nowdays, at last, desktops perform so well that noone needs to complain about slow, bloated applications and what do we do? We try to obsolete them and switch to something that is at least an order of magnitude slower. /facepalm ...
"I love my job, but I hate talking to people like you" (Freddie Mercury)
I tried out the new settings, and when checking out the password encryption, it automatically loaded KWallet, the default password store in KDE. That's it, as of right now Chromium is my default browser.
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This sig does in fact not have the property it claims not to have.
Nuff said...
Chrome is my favorite browser, but it is still slow in some ways. While testing a web app I'm writing, if I hit F5 (Refresh), it takes several seconds for it to reload the page and all its images (even with all content is coming from localhost). Every other browser I test with handles the refresh almost instantly. Sure Chrome runs the JavaScript faster after it downloads it, but something is wrong with the way it manages downloads.
Oh, I didn't realize I was asking a question to an AC. Getting a response from that is impossible.
I tried safe-mail as well when I was looking for an allegedly non-mainstream and secure mail service. It didn't impress me but what really made me ponder if I should use such service was the fact that it was based in Israel. I don't know if I'm being paranoid but putting emphasis on providing a safe mail service would be a great place for Intelligence Agencies to perform surveillance.
PRIVACY: Safe-mail.net will not disclose information about you or your use of the Safe-mail.net system, unless Safe-mail.net believes that such action is necessary to comply with its legal requirements or process; enforce these terms; or protect the interests of Safe-mail.net, its members or others. You agree that Safe-mail.net may access your account, including its contents, for these reasons or for service or technical reasons. Please note that your Internet Protocol address is transmitted with each message sent from your account.
You're simply taking their word for it as with EVERY other mail service.
Anyway, this started because the AC said he liked chrome but hated gmail and I wanted to know the reasons. If you pitch it against safe-mail for both features and User Interface I don't think safe-mail stands a chance. However, if you don't trust Google (which was the problem I faced when communicating with someone who didn't want our mail exchange to be over gmail) I don't really understand why you would trust safe-mail at all. I don't see a reason to pick it unless for the false sense of security it might provide.
Wouldn't PGP encryption be better if your concern was data privacy?
I've heard good things about http://www.mailvault.com/ but I haven't tried it.
"Science can amuse and fascinate us all, but it is engineering that changes the world. " - Asimov.
As much as I use (and like) Chrome, I can't use it for online purchases! For that I use Firefox. Chrome 9 (on Ubuntu 10.10) seems to get confused about half the time.
Why don't you just associate your gmail account to an msn live passport and use that to chat with Windows Live Messenger?
"Science can amuse and fascinate us all, but it is engineering that changes the world. " - Asimov.
Go ahead Mod me down... I take pride in having a dissenting opinion
So says Anonymous Coward. Hopefully no one wastes a mod point on you.
Awsome !
All those things I'll be able to do during those precious milliseconds... !
Seriously, stop about the stupid javascript speed race, and focus on user experience, protection of privacy.
Ha damn, we are talking about Google... User privacy is their currency.
Well good if it pushes competition to improve, other than that I am not sure what to get out of it
Wow, I don't know anyone that uses hotmail or live messenger anymore. I don't even see any youth using either. They all use gmail or yahoo. Yahoo seems to be preferred for chat, and google for email. i am not sure why.
Distant 3rd? Any sources? I see it clearly as first in our small town mid-western USA schools and businesses. Maybe it is just popular in this area.
Windows Live Messenger is widely used among spanish speakers for casual communication (and sometimes work).
Gtalk is gaining audience in the business oriented sectors.
"Science can amuse and fascinate us all, but it is engineering that changes the world. " - Asimov.
I don't enjoy reduced page functionality (I know, that's bad design, but Twitter doesn't even work without JS turned on anymore... They should be ashamed).
I am not devoid of humor.