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Swedish File-Sharers File For Religious Status
nloop writes "A group of file-sharers in Sweden have requested that their religion, Kopimism, be officially recognized in Sweden. Although this status has been denied once in the past the struggle for religious freedom from persecution continues. Aside from deeming CTRL+C CTRL+V as sacred symbols other beliefs include the flow of information being ethically right and closed source software being 'akin to slavery.'"
What does the average swedish file sharer use p2p for?
Is the majority of it produced in Sweden, or elsewhere? If so, where?
they are at it again. defending the principles of modern society against private greed. because, most others that purported to do that, failed. like americans.
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All who follow the mighty Jobs know that the only proper religious symbols are cmd-c, cmd-v
as far as religion went.
Next we will have paedohiles filing for religious status... Oh, wait
Is BSOD the sign of the devil then?
Look I get that companies providing content (or more accurately, managing content distribution) are acting like thugs. I even agree that individual copyright violations for personal use aren't that big a deal. But are we going to go so far as to support something this ridiculous? To read summaries like this you get the sense there isn't any value to intellectual property at all. If content producers know that anything they produce is "up for grabs", what incentive do they have to keep producing? Why is the idea of purchasing intellectual property of any sort, from software to movies, "akin to slavery"? Its economic privilege to assume they can just do it "as a hobby" or "contribute to open source". Open source has a place, but so does closed source. Fighting back against individual prosecutions is worthwhile and laudable. Framing those who wish to produce intellectual property and then charge for it as "slavers" is dishonest and counterproductive.
Is their signs artwork done in ascii as well?ctrl alt as religious symbols ok I am sold on their religion They may end up with alot of followers that way !
What about (window)+R and CTRL+ALT+DEL? Does this religion promote killing (of apps)?
This is not the way to get the ethos behind file-sharing taken seriously. It's counter-productive and childish.
And me without mod points, too.
didn't click it, but the magic 8-ball says goatse.
And a song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sJUDx7iEJw
93rd rule of Slashdot: No matter how obvious my sarcasm is, my comment will be taken seriously by someone.
It's good to see Microsoft is getting it's own cult.
It's goatse again.
Don't miss out on Member of European Parliament Christian Engström's suggestion for a religious version of the Beginning for this religion.
Short version:
1. There was chaos and soup.
2. Somebody in the soup learned to copy. Thus was Life.
3. Having learned to copy, they built magnificent things.
4. We honor the beginning by copying and building magnificent things.
Not bad, I think.
LOL! that's a good one.
I mean if Scientology can get accepted and treated like a legit religion (not that any of them are legit) then these guys could pull it off.
Did once. He was trying to start his own "ministry" and called it (get this):
"The Church of God's own GOOD GREEN LEAVES"... lol, talk about obvious!
(I.E.-> He tried it, so he could smoke pot and get away with it or so he thought, because of religious beliefs etc./et al... )
Now, personally? I don't know if that's even POSSIBLE (let alone legal), but, I took him with a "grain of salt" as usual on his "hare-brained ideas".
Mainly because he TRULY reminds me of "Ricky" from "The Trailer Park Boys" (good guy though, still a pal of mine, but he does "have his moments" & that? That's one of the 'classics' imo @ least), & IF you've EVER seen that show? You KNOW what I mean.
APK
P.S.=> Yes, he got "rejected" on trying to apply for it... I just laughed my a$$ off when he told me about it - I was like "J, that's another CLASSIC outta you, for sure!'... apk
How long before the Catholic church starts to mimic this movement to get more adepts???? They have been loosing people for years now and are becoming every time more desperate for young approval.
it supports selling heroin to teenage runaways (this is how the god judge\). robbing convenience stores(money is the root of all evil, it must be liberated from non-believers). etc.
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
If anything, the hex key should be the symbol of their religion.
Also, their bible should come in a kit that you must assemble yourself to prove you are worthy.
They seem as whacked out as any of the religious freaks out there...
I hate being bipolar; it's awesome!
I agree with you wholeheartedly. I also suspect that members of this sect will cry foul when for instance some of their GPL'd code is found to be plagierized and used in another program.
-- Cheers!
So viewing LaTeX output in Emacs is sacred? Maybe they should just join the Church of Emacs. I think it is a bit more established. It even has it's own patron saint...
"they are at it again. defending the principles of modern society against private greed. because, most others that purported to do like the
US failed"
It's true that Sweden has followed the U.S's lead and improved upon our ideas. Look at their eugenics program. The US tried it but had to stop looong ago. Sweden was about the last country to officially end it. Force sterilize undesirable people to make a better society. It totally works !! The Nazi's followed the US ideas pretty well too. When did the US ever defend society against greed? WE are based on capitalism being a good thing. It's what made us the industrial powerhouse the of the world (until China took over) Greed is just a desire to have more. There is nothing wrong with it. People are not equal and some deserve to be better off because they are better, smarter, faster, whatever.
Everything has a good side and bad side
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Snowden and Manning are heroes.
Boy are you in the wrong place.
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
Is personal greed worse than corporate greed? Or rather, is the greed of a single person overshadowed by the greed of many people working together? At what point should people fight back with more than their dollars when other fight so hard to control every avenue those dollars can be spent in?
These companies that control media, of all kinds, are resisting change with such fervor that the people are fighting back every way they can. Indie avenues on the web for self publishing of all kinds is chipping away at them. New methods for distribution are chipping away at them. And piracy is chipping away at them.
History has proven that the people of any country or race or religion will only take a beating for so long before fighting back. America was founded by two classes: People seeking freedom from religious persecution, and Merchants who wanted to keep more of their hard earned money, expand their businesses and seek new ways to sell and distribute.
I know two wrongs don't make a right is often parroted to us as children but the reality is that yes, another wrong is often needed to redress a severe imbalance between two classes. War is wrong....unless its against an evil empire. Hate is wrong....unless it is hatred of what society as a whole considers evil. We all agree the media companies are in the wrong. They continually try to get copyright extended, they abuse the actual creators, they abuse actual copyright law.
They tread on us...
Its time they learned these snakes bite. There is your answer. Yes, it IS a personal form of greed. One that when compounded person upon person adds up to a people that are tired of being forced to accept terms dictated by what are essentially a bunch of greedy, lying, thieves. They call consumers thieves, well it takes one to know one, and they are some of the best thieves around. They don;t break the law, they change the law to suit their whims and desires until everyone is forced to pay.
To pay for an album.
To pay for playing that album in their car.
To pay for playing that album on their computer.
To pay for playing that album on a personal music device.
To pay for allowing others to hear that album when they are enjoying it.
To pay for every and ay copy and 'performance' imaginable.
That is what THEY want. What they desire to be reality. They scream and cry it is for the musicians. For the actors. For the authors. And yet they regularly pay out less then 30% of what they take in to those same people. They keep rolling their copyrights to extend them indefinitely. Forever. Long after the lives of the artists have ended. Eventually there will be no Public Domain. not because they got it made illegal, but because nothing modern and relevant will enter it anymore. Ever. So yes, personal greed it is indeed. Personal greed for the ability to actually enjoy entertainment rather than buy it and wonder when I will become a criminal just for enjoying it.
LOL
file-sharers gonna file (-share)
Duh... ok, I go now.
Is it just me, or does the "K" in their logo look just a little bit like a hand holding up the middle finger?
Ecclesiastes 1: 9 What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.
Can anyone show me without a shadow of the doubt a case of true creativity, such as we consider most things to be in our copyright/trademark law.
Im willing to bet that no matter who or what you come up with i can prove that what anyone has ever acheived has not been of their own exclusive doing, but instead conceived on the backs of those who came before them. The concept of copyright is flawed. One cannot own ideas. Just as much as the earth does'nt really belong to any of us. Me and my Wife produced a child. 100% from the ground up. Do i own the child? Is it my property? Do i have the right to charge if someone sees my child without paying licensing fees?
You are free to believe in copying and preach about it all you want, but if you break the law, you will still get cuffed and jailed.
A cult may believe in human sacrifice or slavery or under-aged marriage or the execution of homosexuals. Thank god (or gov to be more accurate) it has never given them the right to do it.
Better version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSkCny-HtTw
Circumcision is child abuse.
Normally I'd curse at a bunch of idiots abusing the law for their own personal gain... But since it's opposing the RIAA, this is more like fighting fire with fire.
You can't stop the signal, NZ
Something being part of your religion does not necessarily make it not illegal. In the USA, the standard used would be the Lemon test. If file sharing was criminal-illegal (rather than civil law illegal) and the 'church' challenged this on first amendment grounds, the state would need to show:
1 the law had a secular legislative purpose
2 the law's primary effect is not to advance or inhibit religion
3 the must not result in an "excessive government entanglement" with religion
An anti file sharing law would have no trouble passing these tests.
Of course, this is all in Sweden, so different laws/precedent will apply.
Quattuor res in hoc mundo sanctae sunt: libri, liberi, libertas et liberalitas.
> Aside from deeming CTRL+C CTRL+V as sacred symbols
That should be CMD+C CMD+V in some applications, and ALT-W CTRL-Y in the good ones.
Let's all pray to Aremes, the god of open source, that this movement finally gets the recognition it deserves.
"we are all atheists about most of the gods that societies have ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further."
If they are actually serious about this, they could claim to worship "Omoikane" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omoikane_%28Shinto%29).
Omoikane is a god of wisdom and intelligence and will be perfect match for sharing information.
The Swedish government collects taxes and then gives them to various religious. If I recall correctly you can opt out, but the government then just keeps the money anyway. So creating a religion which supports your views may not be such a crazy thing after all. If it lampoons the established religions which at the end of the day are no more sensible so much the better.
They terk ur electrerns!
I know the "reverend". He's a magnificent troll.
However, draft 0.1 of their creation story makes more sense to me than any "real" religion.
Google Translate'd from here, and somewhat corrected:
In the beginning the earth was a foul soup of ammonia, methane, and nasty toxic chemicals. The atmosphere crackled with lightning, filled with pure energy. Something wanted to be born.
In some way, for reasons not yet investigated, ribosomes appeared. They could copy. This was the beginning of life. Therefore, we consider copying the first manifestation of the divine soul.
När ribosomerna fanns, och kunde kopiera dels sig själva, dels de proteiner som behövs för att bygga en cell, då ledde det till att det faktiskt uppstod celler. Once the ribosomes existed, and could copy both themselves and the proteins needed to build a cell, there were cells. Exactly why proteins chose to voluntarily organize themselves into something more complicated is not really investigated, so we'll get back to that later in this creation story, but we'll ignore it for now.
The important thing is that there were now cells. Cells have two characteristics. First, they replicate themselves, just as ribosomes before them. Secondly, they want to work with others to build things that are more magnificent than any of the individual components.
From these two characteristics came the living world we see around us. The zebra and the parsley, the forest and the fishing bustle, all living things ever filmed by the BBC.
Us Kopimists therefore see copying as the first of the Basic Principles of Creation.
The will to work together to build something magnificent is seen as the Second of the Basic Principles.
From this basis, we want to learn to understand the divine soul and the world we live in. And we want to do it in cooperation with others.
Amen.
I don't smoke that crap or anything else. Weed is too frowned upon and holds folks out of jobs for many reasons (makes them lazy and stupid for one thing & I don't care what anyone says, I have seen "weed stupid" folks in my time and it's because they smoke it too much, like daily... it affects them badly imo @ least. Plus, drug tests are out there now like mad & employers use them like mad, & not just on initial interviews).
Also - please note: I did note the 1st letter of my pal's name too ("J"), but I'd never put the whole thing out (out of respect).
APK
P.S.=> In tough times, I cannot see how anyone would be willing to jeopardize job possibilities just to smoke weed actually. It'd be illogical, but people do it. Just not this person, & for the reasons noted above... apk
Religion teaches "You shall not steal!" Movie and music file sharers are like the Judas Ischariotes, who did not just betray Jesus for 30 silver coins, but also stole from the common purse, which the apostles maintained. Dante placed Judas in the deepest sack of the Hell and he is being chewed by the fallen archangel (Satan) himself.
Oh please, 90% of the people who copy things haven't built anything, much less something that could be described as magnificent.
100% of people who build things are built on copies. Ever heard of DNA? That's what the grandparent poster was referring to.
Yesterday, I downloaded and watched a national geographic show on "ape genius." It was primarily focused on the chimpanzee but also made comparative mention of the bonobo and human toddlers and a few other apes as well.
What it was showing was that there are many, many things that the apes have in common with humans but then asked the question (the real topic of the video) "what is the thing that let us explode intellectually while the other apes did not?" They can learn and do all sorts of things so why not?
Turns out, they lack an instinct for teaching and learning. We have that, and they do not. And teaching and learning is all about sharing -- information sharing. Without it, we would be at the same level as the other apes.
So what are the copyright people doing? Putting a price and making it a crime to exercise our very instincts -- instincts which pre-date modern humanity.
Does this religion also advocate that personal information should be free? Does it have the same fanaticism about sacred right of corporate officials (who are also people) to freely copy and share your name, address, income, interests and other info and compile files about you (if they share them with everybody)?
If you demand the right to copy their data (movies, music, games, ...), shouldn't you also be willing to let them have the right to copy your data?
Aside from deeming CTRL+C CTRL+V as sacred symbols
...this will only lead into a bloody feud with the Church of Emacs and their Esc-w and Control-y. ...I mean, M-w and C-y. Don't look at me funnily, brethren! A honest mistake! Just trying to educate the public unwash'd who know not the Naming of the Keys!
Get out of your mom basement and start doing something productive to the society. Get a job, start paying for food, start paying for what you use, start paying bills and start paying for software.
I am a working software developer, and if you think stealing my work is your religion I'll show you my "belief": its called "run faster than my shotgun". Then we can have a full blown new religious crusade.
There are numerous Missions, e.g. the Holy Mission of DoubleCommand, the Logitech Mission of Kopi Keyboards etc hard at work to convert the heathens!
Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent. Polar Scope Align for iOS
Maybe they met a guy in a park who showed them some golden pills with some strange scripts on them. They scribbled down what they could remember as the golden pills would be taken away from them by the dude. The scripts may have been written in reformed Pearl, and later followers and coders have not been able to relate it to any known version of the standard Pearl script, or any other script language ever since. Not even Simon Singh or his friends would be able to decipher what they had written. Later on they may have followers in the millions, and have a legal status. The dude ruled them all!
So copying data is like human sacrifice, slavery, under-aged marriage and executions of homosexuals?
No, the idea that ideas can be owned is a belief in itself. It is a dangerous idea that leads to organized people taking over the marketplace and establishing cartels. In many countries these cartels have the authority to collect money from people copying their own and free data.
As it turns out I didn't misspend my youth reading Battletech. Take that english lit!
God was one of us? Just a seeder on the bus. Burning CDs in a rush. Combing his hair with a plastic brush...
Unicode killed the ASCII-art *
I was once downloading porn from ThePirateBay when god showed me couple of pdf-files there. Names of the said files were written in golden color in my monitor and angels were singing in my speakers(I was told that one of them was called Britney). I stopped my empty sins, downloaded those golden files and behold!... There was ten commandments from our only god! Unfortunately I had not installed pdf-reader to my computer and I had to go to the shower. It was very good shower and I forgot whole incident and lost all files when my hard disk crashed. Moral of the story is that stop jerking when god talks to you.
There are very few new ideas:
Ecclesiastes 1:9
"There is nothing new under the sun"
> "A group of file-sharers in Sweden have requested that their religion, Kopimism, be officially recognized in Sweden."
I think they misspelled kleptoism.
"Yes, copyright laws can be complicated. It's often hard to tell if you are uploading something you created yourself or something someone else created." http://www.theonion.com/articles/youtube-educates-offenders-about-copyright,20075/
"Outdated business models" is code for "I don't like paying for things, but want them anyway"
One could write a dissertation on the many ways, both the obvious and nuanced, this post doesn't work on this site.
Atlas Shrugged : Thematic Story
The path to eternity is filled with meta-w ctrl-y. Ctrl-v will only lead you down, down, down...
I would rather see a more serious attempt done by some hackers of sociology, philosophy, theology, ethics, etc. As interwoven as world society is now, in any area that you bring up some principles, it ends up having effects all over. And we are sorely lacking principles in every field.
I Believe!
As the world's leading authority on creating religions (seriously, I'm #1 on Google), I humbly offer my free guide:
How to Create Your Own Religion In Ten Easy Steps
This handy guide will help you properly structure your religion and help you gain legitimacy by copying what others have done.
By making it look like similar in structure to other more popular religions, you will simultaneously have demonstrated your core principle of copying stuff while making the concepts seem more familiar (and therefore more acceptable) to the reviewing board.
Cheers and Good Luck!
All Hail The Great Lord Lardicus!
They fail to recognize and accept the mighty and most popular God of the Undo: CTRL+Z ! Heck, we've all _prayed_ to CTRL+Z at least once in our lives I'm sure...