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Bin Laden Hideout Recreated In Counter-Strike
dotarray writes "Osama bin Laden's final hiding spot in Abbottabad, Pakistan, has been made into a playable map for Counter-Strike: Source. Honestly, we're a little surprised that it took this long."
The real criminal here is that Pakistani realtor who sold that house for $1,000,000.
I think there is a missing option in Counterstrike: the "shoot the fuck out of the house and sort through the rubble later" -playmode
"Honestly, we're a little surprised that it took this long."
Eh, it just took that long for military intelligence to get it declassified.
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I'm interested to know where the floor plans came from. Real or made up?
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Am I the only one who was hoping for a Left For Dead 2 map with Osama zombies?
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It is fairly amazing what someone can piece together using well known sources. 30 seconds on google maps gave me satellite imagery and many images from the ground including the downed US helicopter.
http://maps.google.com/maps/place?cid=9294138184493326603&q=Abbott%C4%81bad,+Abbottabad,+Khyber+Pakhtunkhwa,+Pakistan+compound&hl=en&dtab=0&sll=34.169215,73.242433&sspn=0.049606,0.057297&ie=UTF8&ll=34.169848,73.240979&spn=0,0&t=h&z=19&lci=com.panoramio.all
There is or can be built a machine that can simulate any physical object. -Church-Turing principle
Actually, word is that they built a full scale replica and trained in it until they knew the layout like their own home. Retired SEALs have been saying that that's the standard practice for missions like this, whenever there's sufficient time.
When I first saw that compound, my first thought was how long it was going to take someone to make that into a map. It seemed like the perfect setup for one.
The map in TFA uses the "fy_" prefix, which is a long-standing way of denoting community maps with no particular objective. The two letters were originally an initialism for "Fuck You" – often bowdlerized to "Frag Yard" or similar.
I think that's a pretty good bet. You can't build a replica of the inside of the buildings, but you can at least make a mock up of the rest. I'm not sure why they'd use a computer simulation unless they really had to. OTOH, the secret service moved over eventually so who knows.
Only one of the terrorists starts with a gun (which changes from day to day depending on who you listen to).
I think Osama was an asshole, but I find the celebrations of his death rather distasteful. Maybe it's because I'm not American and I can't begin to understand how American nationalism works, but still, making Counterstrike maps to re-enact somebody's death is just... twisted and wrong.
I think I'm also being realistic when I say the publicity surrounding his death could be turning him into a martyr/hero in some shadier circles, so it may have been a mistake to make it such a big deal. I sincerely hope this doesn't end in retaliation, because terrorism costs lives, and (in the long-term/bigger picture) terrorism funds the various "Patriot Acts" around the world.
Just my 2c. If any morons haven't figured it out, I'm against terrorism in all shapes and forms.
Holy cow Counterstrike is still around!!
Bin Laden's mansion only worth 25 percent of what he paid for it, meaning he'll be underwater for a long time.
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We don't want SEALs on our lawn!
To be honest, I don't care so much about the map itself. It's just pleasing to me there are still FPS games out there with map editors that allow you to make such maps in the first place. So many games are missing level editors and mod tools that it's becoming novel for them to do so (and yes CS:S is getting a bit old, but it's still fun and still supported by Valve). If you're trying to make maps for something like one of the latest versions of Call of Duty, forget it.
I doubt we could build a fancy hut like that in the USA and have it certified as residential or habitable. From the looks of it, it's a small crackerbox house, with apartments in the rear that we would typically call a storage shed,. ( I rent two storage spaces to store useless junk with sentimental value in that appear to be bigger then each room in the outbuilding.)
Well, unless you mean costing that much to grease the hands of the building and code enforcement and zoning commission or something. Then possibly, yes, you could put a slum like that up somewhere where there is a population higher then 30.
when is the world going to move on from counterstrike!?!!?
Hopefully not while OBL still has his teeth...
The fact that there wasn't much heat doesn't mean that there couldn't have been a lot of heat, had they hesitated at any point in the operation. I trust that they did what they had to do to get home safe, and complete their objectives. At the end of the day, that's the important part.
Armed, unarmed, it doesn't matter. They were enemies in war, in a dangerous place with a great many unknowns. If the enemy doesn't immediately surrender when you show up, the enemy is fair game. That's the rules of war and the only thing that makes sense on the battlefield. These terrorists became terrorists to kill or be killed. They had weapons nearby if not in hand, and for all these SEALs knew, there were bombs everywhere. There is absolutely no question that they were hostile enemy combatants. It may make some people more comfortable with the outcome had Osama bin Laden gotten some shots off, but for the operation to be as big a success as it was, it's probably good he never had the chance to do our soldiers harm. He certainly would not have hesitated, let there be no mistake about it.
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Its a shame they didn't understand the affect of the compound walls on the helicopter. They very nearly lost the mission at that point.
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This is a great news about finding Osama Bin Laden house and then subsequently killing him.
If someone had planned the killing of 3000 innocent North Korean civlians, and also supported numerous terrorist acts around the globe and authorized the assassination of American politicians opposed to him and car bombing of americans and attacks on canadian schoolchildren and were hiding in the US and US government didnt do jack diddly about it for 5 years even though there was United Nations sanctions and an interpol warrant. If then the North Koreans came in and capped him without killing any Americans in the process, Id say that person got what they deserved.
"the simple fact is he was a enemy agent"
Says who? Isn't that a fact that could only be established in a trial? Where's the evidence that he ordered any of this, rather than just claimed responsibility for it on a couple of videos, or even coerced into being the scapegoat while the true culprit gets clean away (every time I've ever seen a bombing, some nutter, somewhere has taken responsibility for it even if they didn't do it - it's a known factor in confessions, etc. - some people just claim responsibility for things). At which point did he receive a trial to determine the facts (and, come on, the US is one of the few countries left where you could fast-track him to execution if you so wanted after finding him guilty)?
Was the US at war with HIM personally, or the country he resided in? Can a country be at war with a concept (terrorism, drug-abuse, etc.)? Can a country be at war with a single person, and thus see his killing as a simple "act of war"? Isn't that just an excuse for justifying assassination, which is actually NOT allowed under US law (and hence the UK has been doing that kind of dirty work for the US for a long time because we don't have a law against that)?
If the US was at war with Pakistan at the time (nope, they're supposed to be allies at the moment!), then possibly you could see how his killing could be merely the casualty of war but how does that fit with him being specifically targeted and specifically assassinated?
What if, say, Julian Assange does something the US disagree with? Can you "declare war" on him? Can you bomb any country he's in to kingdom come? Can you (legally) send out a team of SEAL's to a foreign country to put a bullet in his head? What about if he claimed to have some national-security information that you killed him for but actually never did - does that justify an assassination? What about if the local nutter claims responsibility for 9/11, can you shoot him too without trial?
As to being "too risky" to capture - you had him. You had him, in a room, surrounded by your people with guns, and no actual resistance that was a threat. You extracted those same SEAL's, so you could have extracted him too. Hell, you extracted his body to a warship, apparently, for burial. If you can prove he reached for a gun, even the police would have shot him, let alone the army, but there's no evidence he did.
If he had explosives on him - your SEAL's shot him dead and would have instantly triggered any dead-man's switch while standing in the same room as him. Or maybe even hit the explosives with bullets themselves. That would make them pillocks and make such a mission incredibly stupid if you even suspected that. I would like to think that they KNEW there wasn't anything explosive in the house that posed a threat beforehand.
There's a simple way to prove to countries that you're superior to terrorism - and it doesn't involve trying to "terrorise" the terrorists, everyone associated with them, every country they go near, torturing innocents in foreign prisons with STILL no hope of trial/release yet, and bombing foreign countries for TEN YEARS. It involves capturing those you think are responsible and showing the world that you're BETTER than them - by giving them a humane trial (like we did with virtually EVERY captured dictator, Nazi, etc. that we believed may have committed war crimes of much vaster proportions than one bomb on one building - and at least their crimes were in the middle of a real fecking war!), giving them a chance to justify their actions and THEN acting (even if that decision involves execution).
Tell me - why does Saddam Hussein get this treatment:
"Captured on 13 December 2003, Saddam was brought to trial under the Iraqi interim government. On 5 November 2006, he was convicted of charges related to the 1982 killing of 148 Iraqi Shi'ites and was sentenced to death by hanging." whereas Osama Bin Laden got a bullet in the head and zero evidence?
Expense of a trial? Do you have any idea how much t
Just thinking, all the newbs that end up on the terrorist team will always lose because we've already pointed out all the weak points in the compound. The result: Lots more Youtube videos of pissed off newbs breaking their keyboards.
Okay, where's the Urban Terror map? I used to love that game. Played it all the time until I got bleary eyed and had trouble with depth perception and focusing. (The effects are temporary) The development of that game has become stagnant. I believe there is a strong probability of Duke Nukem Forever being released before Urban Terror makes any serious progress. Stuck at 4.1 and has been for years. Sad...sad sad.
But maybe someone will make the map for Urban Terror to spark some interest in the project again.
I wondered if it would be this, or one of those retarded lame-ass Asian videos where nobody looks like who they're supposed to be - not that you can see, with 97 different sets of subtitles all going on.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
I think a lot of people fail to see the larger picture. We aren't all from Texas and the US isn't the wild west anymore. We are dealing with large groups of people and not a one-on-one gunfight.
Longer term, jailing Osama and putting him on world trial, a terrorist who would only be proud dying for his cause, would have been the largest blow to the terrorist psyche. He would be paraded around as an example. Shooting him would have just created another martyr, incentivizing more people to hate the evil US of A.
Longer term, shooting Osama would lead to more US deaths not less just to satisfy some sense of payback a lot of Americans want to satisfy but can't come to terms with.
Once you start despising the jerks, you become one.
I'll leave to you to look it up; but I remember when the Clinton admin created Al-Qaeda after the WTC bombing in the 90s - the purpose was to use old laws used for organized crime which are not really fair but have existed for a long time. They created an organization so they then could apply these old laws to go after the leadership of the criminal organization.
Bin Laden I believe had some sort of name for his tiny little funding organization but it was small (but the name was long) and not directly doing anything - it provided funding for groups and people doing things it liked. Much the same as the USA has done for generations (but is accepted, but largely unknown to the ignorant public.) In doing this, they were able to convict leaders of the organization indirectly and do so legally. At the same time, it gave him a great name, lots of attention and P.R. to grow more influential.
Its been a long time but I do remember it. So, while it may be that he was convicted in the 90s and could have been again (especially when he finally took credit for the successful attack.) It still is the case that his death sentence was not carried out according to the "rule of law". (A meaningless phrase today.) I am not sure NY has the death sentence... Although he can die resisting arrest...
Correction: Even if you are an American, if you are a terrorist you do not count as human and they can kill you without trial if you leave the country. Bush moved towards this but it was Obama who has done it.
Correction: the USA hardly killed anybody looking for Osama; the vast majorities were killed for geopolitics and Osama was just the excuse for the ignorant masses. I read their plans in 1999 before Bush got in; I knew about the Afghanistan oil + pipeline plans before Bush was president - and so did anybody who followed Cheney's think tanks position papers. The idiot press didn't look behind the curtain - anybody with a brain realized Bush was really a front man and it would be his staff deciding most the policies (even if he wasn't a moron, the advisers have a big impact and most are not planning to run for high office so their opinions can easily be determined and by extension one can gain insight into the politician.) The trajectory of the Bush admin was quite predictable; we just have shallow reporters but no journalists.
Nelson Mandela was labeled a terrorist by the USA decades back... But back then we didn't claim the right to just openly assassinate such people and so he lives today as a hero and we are completely ignorant just how evil "we" thought he was.
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Hell yeah. I'd hope they put a cap in that Bastard!
I really want to know every details about this things, it very interesting to find out the result :)
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