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Sony Releases PS3 3.61 Update Ahead of PSN's Imminent Return
Sonny Yatsen writes "Sony has released the PS3 3.61 firmware update as a part of the phased return of the Playstation Network and Qriocity. The new update now requires all PSN users to change their passwords in order to sign back into the PSN service." And several readers are pointing to reports that the network is slowly being spun up. Snips one anonymous submitter: "Sony Japan told customers today that it would begin phased restoration of its services of its beleaguered Playstation Network which has been suffering from an outage for nearly a month. The company would start bringing back its gaming network this Sunday, on a country-by-country basis, and expects it to be completed by May 31."
There are reports today that Sony's networks still are oblivious to real security. Among the serious vulnerabilities are links to globally viewable security consoles in robots.txt files, ID web-management consoles being publicly available and indexed in Google, and more!
I guess the upside is that if the hackers are going to get your credit card from Sony, they already have it so you may as well play your games too.
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You can sign in and change you password now if you live in the northeast. Only thing up now is online games.
Common its Saturday night, whats the likelihood it get bombarded?
Ride recklessly only when safe to do so.
Well, not actually a schedule, but you can see when your state is back online :
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Seems a big failure on design. If I designed a credit card payment system I would have it only be active in the portion of the network that required people to pay for something.
So... your playstation comes online and you want to sign in and play a game. Ok, the console has been authorized before it should be able to send a token saying "I'm whois let me play games."
In fact, PSN shouldn't really care who you are unless you're trying to buy something. Buying something and playing a game are two fundamentally different things. Your credit card should probably not be linked to the same username that you use for web browsing. There should be two accounts or two privilege levels that require different types of sign-on.
Why does the PSN network care who you are until you buy something? The entire store should still be online and all free downloads available, just no payed downloads until they fix that part. You should be able to play Black Ops without risking your financial future right?
You might say the customer wouldn't put up with the bullshit of having two accounts, or everyone will use the same password twice but:
1. If you explain how it works some people will do the right thing and be protected.
2. We've already put up with crazy amounts of bullshit, like weekly system updates that can't be backgrounded and take forever. Loss of features some people specifically payed for (ps2 compatibility, running Linux), and just a bad UI that can't do simple things like play your mp3 collection while you game or browse the store.
Slowly I turn, step by step, inch by inch. How many people are going to change their password to SONYSUCKS?
I had a brother who forgot his password. My father had set up his account for him. He had a devil of a time getting the password reset. The answers to the security questions were a mix of my dads answers and things my dad thought my brother would answer. It took him months of trying things.
I am not in favor of the innocent users becoming victims, but if this happened to any company, at least it happened to Sony. There are few companies that deserve this more than Sony.
Indeed, you don't miss it until you don't have it. That reminds me, I need to polish up my Mortal Combat moves .
Take the Red Pill.
You got to love arm chair systems architects. Every thing is easy peasy and obvious. Simple answer is:....
Management has no idea how things work. So they turn everything off at once during a breach. And turn everything back on in small steps with tons of testing along the way. It is a best practice as old as computing.
Maybe *you* don't know your password, but there is a good chance that the attackers can crack their copy of the hash and know your password. Resalting does precisely nothing because the danger is the attackers getting your password, and once they have that, any salt you apply will make no difference.
XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
I have a completely random password that even I don't even know. The password is saved in my PS3 somewhere.
How is it going to help anything if I change the password? Sony could just re-hash with a different salt the next time I login.
Ah, this sounds like the 1d-10-T problem that's been going around.
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In fact, PSN shouldn't really care who you are unless you're trying to buy something.
Or unlocking Trophies, or listening if you're receiving messages from other players, or setting the status of what game you're playing, or to check whether or not you've got game invites periodically...
Oh, wait...
Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
Sony's SOE games (the MMOs, such as EverQuest) have been down for 2 weeks. They brought them back online earlier today.
-- A change is as good as a reboot.
What I'm curious about is why do they re-activate the network per state.
As of right now, just California and a few New England states seem to be "online". One server per state? Sounds a bit odd.
Oh and the map is stored on Flickr. For a moment there I thought someone hacked their blog system too, and just posted faked-up "we're about to go live again" message.
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This whole thing got started because that is entirely incorrect you fucking moron. Sony got what they deserved, and hard. Chances are, it'll happen again.
Deal with it.
"linux is just DOS with a UNIX like syntax" -- Galactic Dominator (944134)
they let devs be incredibly open development wise.
ummm they actually got arse fucked for being the exact opposite of incredibly open development wise. But I doubt you will see it that way as you are really grasping at straws with your fanboism here, not even Microsoft come close to depths that sony have dredged in their extorting and screwing of consumers.
Your grasping at straws. This didn't happen because someone was seeking revenge. Thats like saying American went to war with Iraq over weapons of mass destruction. failoverflow hacked the PS3 because they were done hacking the Wii. George Hotz hacked the PS3 because he was done hacking IPhones. Anonymous attacked Sony for the lolz. Breaking these systems is their hobby. They would have done it eventually regardless of what Sony did.
You do know that there are developers who makes games for a living right?
Not everything is homebrew. Thanks to Sony's actual openness, I have Portal 2 for Steam.
Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
Which of those activities has anyone ever been forced to do?
Has it actually been confirmed (by Visa, Mastercard, or Sony) that credit card numbers were stolen? Not just anecdotes -- we'd expect a few of the millions of PSN customers to be victims of ID theft anyway.
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I can see them doing this for the PS3 fats. Not for the hackers though. The hackers will never be pleased by something like that. They were hacking the PS3 before OtherOS was removed. The hackers do it for the challenge. Some also do it for your credit cards.
They won't add it as a new feature for new PS3 slims. They sell those at a loss and hope to make money on games. People using PS3 as components in super computers don't buy games. They will definitely add it if they can get the tax breaks for general purpose computers back.
So, the PSN cloud failed for a month. It has made me rethink my enthusiasm for Google's ChromeOS. With my fat-desktop I can still do useful things with it without a network. With ChromeOS I'm not sure I can do anything if the network is disrupted. And initially, I was like: "Awesome! Want!" when Google announce ChromeOS..
Shh.
You don't know the meaning of the term.
"linux is just DOS with a UNIX like syntax" -- Galactic Dominator (944134)
Everybody knows Microsoft is evil. Its also offtopic.
The topic here is that Sony is evil, a fact that everybody here with a sense of rationality recognizes. Microsoft being evil in no way precludes Sony from also being evil.
"linux is just DOS with a UNIX like syntax" -- Galactic Dominator (944134)
The Dreamcast was a failure, by most reviews. I find it funny you're idolizing this failed console, while stating current PC gaming sucks. Oh... and speaking of evil... I would have to say Sony is more evil than Microsoft because at least Microsoft never revoked a system function (Other OS) or install rootkits without notice (thank god for Mark Russinovich).
I think that Sony has lost a huge amount of psn customers. And also gaming networks did.
Maybe Computers will never be as intelligent as Humans.
For sure they won't ever become so stupid. [VR-1988]
What about the fact that Microsoft shipped an OS that could be root kitted by a CD claiming to be red book audio?
I could tolchock you with a pipe wrench and steal your wallet, but the difference between me and Sony is that I won't.
Likewise, with Microsoft and the rootkit business.
Woosh.
Seriously. Locking out homebrewers isn't on the same level as apartheid. Are you fucking serious?
Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
EQ2 servers came up about 5pm PDT today.
Be seeing you...
Not in reference to this thread. The root poster said that Sony deserves this. They don't. No one does.
Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
Is a game like Garou: Mark of the Wolves going to ever come out on PC(PC based arcade hardware not included) first over a console? No.
PC gaming is limited because it's so damn open you cant assume anything and have to build for the broadest possible configurations.
Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
PC gaming is limited because it's so damn open you cant assume anything and have to build for the broadest possible configurations.
Perspective is everything, I guess. I see open configs as the future of computing, and "walled gardens" as nothing more than companies' business models to sell their overpriced products. Of course this is a generalization, and I really would like to go into a DRM discussion at this point... but taht's not necessary.
Which of those activities has anyone ever been forced to do?
In western civilization, ~2011, making something attractive is the same as forcing someone.
Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. -John Lennon
I don't think so.
I think there's growth in the PC market but it's not going to keep up with the console market. PCs suck as a dedicated entertainment platform. Driver issues, performance issues, configuration issues, OS crashes, disk crashes, malware, etc. God no.
As far as over priced products, it's up to the consumer to decide what's overpriced and what isn't, and consumers are choosing consoles over PCs.
DRM has been a reality for gaming since the NES. Consumers are used to gaming DRM. Requiring online for single player might be a bridge too far, but I'm pretty sure Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft know that.
Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
What are you talking about? I have a PSN account and never entered a credit card number anywhere. Furthermore, you can log off PSN anytime you want, and keep playing, if for some reason you don't like trophies.
Err, sony hasn't hit me with a pipe wrench and stolen my wallet.
OTOH, I worked at two OEMs who had been threatened with revocation of Windows licensing deals if they shipped Linux, BeOS or FreeBSD.
Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
They removed the ability to play PS2 games, and the ability to boot OtherOS.
What this time?
The ability to plug in controllers?
The ability to play sounds?
The ability to do hi-def?
Each update seems to be a slow descent into brickdom.
Fuck!!! It's a Sony!!!
These posts express my own personal views, not those of my employer
You don't seem to understand that the world isn't this black and white, good versus evil struggle where it's either all open or NOTHING.
Do you really want to get the firmware details for your toaster? Or do you really expect a JTAG port so you could hack your microwave's microcontroller?
I mean seriously. Get over yourself. It's a freaking games console.
Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
Two points.
First, I'm not idolizing the console, but the year 1999 was a good year for gaming. PSone had lots of good games, the N64 had lots of good games, and the Dreamcast had lots of good games. No one bitched about DRM and online was a pipe dream.
I still maintain the Sony Rootkit Fiasco is really the Microsoft Why Can Our OS Be Owned This Easily Fiasco(Seriously, had it been someone distributing malware on bootleg CDs you'd get from some shady guy at the swap meet for $2, every one would be screaming bloody murder at Microsoft, not Sony).
I also maintain that removing OtherOS, which not many people use, isn't as evil as say, lobbying the EU to drop open office document formats in favor of Docx/xlsx/pptx/etc. or forcing OEMs to either ship Windows or lose their bulk licensing deals.
Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
http://www.soe.com/securityupdate/pressrelease.vm While this was for Sony Online Entertainment; its fairly safe to assume that PSN, which was the target in the attack - was hit harder.
Isn't that the word that was traditionally used to refer to Apple?
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That's good, because he's not a troll. He's posting his opinion, as valid as any I have seen here. His delivery is arguably offensive (which would justify a flamebait mod), but it's far from the most offensive +5 post I've seen here. He should not be modded down.
Remember mods, you can't have a real discussion without an opposing side!
You know, there is a difference between trolling and pointing out the flaws in your reasoning. Just saying.
I've lost my patience with all the forced firmware upgrades, so I'm just not signing back on to the Playstation Network. All of my PS3 games are single player, which I've been able to play during the outage, so I'm just fine with never signing on to the PSN again. Aside from single player games, the only other use I have for a console nowadays is Netflix.
Essentially, the Playstation Network has nothing of value to me.
Actually, yes. I'd love having either of those.
How should I put this? It's not putting lipstick on a pig that's a problem, although it's frowned upon. Quite frankly, a lot of people want to be deceived so that they don't feel responsible for the choices they make. Take just about any sexual relationship for example.
It's the social manipulation and coercion where it becomes a problem. Shit like turning anyone that reveals the truth into some kind of criminal or social reject. Making the purchase of the item or service a legal or social requirement, or at least making alternatives illegal, even if it will not be utilized. You know, like having soldiers go around and harass people that collect rainwater, because the local privately owned water utility wants to gouge to the fullest. Or, for a more western version, adding taxes to media so that content middle men still get free money even if it's just a garage band selling CD-Rs to local fans or a business that produced it's own ambient music being forced via the legal system to buy a license to play it from a competitor.
Etc...
Being hit with an "Ooh! Shiney!"-"Daddy like!" is not so much of a problem unless there is more going on. See the sig...
Any sufficiently advanced influence is indistinguishable from control.
Sony deserved it, and morose than just about and other consumer products company currently in business. Even Microsoft would of course deserve similar.
What this really boils down to is u mad, and the rest of us are still laughing our asses off and hope it'll happen again. This entire episode for Sony has been fucking hilarious, and this thread even moreso. I am genuinely pleased as punch, and there isn't shit you can do about it.
"linux is just DOS with a UNIX like syntax" -- Galactic Dominator (944134)
and for fuck's sakes, don't give them your credit card # kthnxbai
Wow.
You're insane.
"Oh my God. This is terrible. This is the end of my Presidency. I'm fucked."; ~ Donald J. Trump
Wow, you're a lunatic Sony apologist.
But I repeat myself...
"linux is just DOS with a UNIX like syntax" -- Galactic Dominator (944134)
and it's not as if there's some sort of way you could relate information across various databases, in some sort of relational fashion that would make his complaint somehow completely baseless.
Oh wait...
Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
Yes, yes I do.
Apartheid and segregation were horrible things that my people(Non-whites) went through during the 50's and 60's. I've got photos of my dad protesting at lunch counters in the south so they could fucking eat and ride the bus.
You're talking about privileged geeks being able to play nethack or run Apache so they could turn their PS3 into a webserver.
Fuck you. No, seriously fuck you and the horse you rode in on.
Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
At long last sir, have you no sense of decency?
Seriously. Get some perspective and some empathy. If that was your workplace that got broken into and your customer data, you'd be singing a different tune.
Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
You aren't "forced" to do anything you "wish" to do. Kinda by definition.
You're the one sticking up for him and the really insensitive analogy, you're an asshole.
Differences in scales do invalidate analogies. PS3 devs have to pay big bucks to Sony(like any dev would to Nintendo and Microsoft) for dev kits and support, as well as a license to publish onto their platform.
Having a group of developers who are licensed for development and a group of developers who want to hack at a machine for fun isn't the same as having a Whites Only bathroom.
One's a matter of profession, the other's about immutable properties of man being used to discriminate against each other in horrific ways. It's really insensitive because the scale doesn't match.
Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
It is not a matter of profession, it is a matter of consumer rights. The right to use your property as you see fit. If you have to buy yourself into a right, then your right is being violated. If you buy a car from Ford, you don't need to purchase additional permission from them to use it in Canada instead of Mexico; it is your right to do so and they have no right to prevent it. If you purchase a laptop from lenovo, they have no right to tell you that you must run windows, it is your right as a consumer to run what software you see fit on your property. Etc.
That is your (quite clearly emotionally comprimised) opinion. I don't give a shit about it.
"linux is just DOS with a UNIX like syntax" -- Galactic Dominator (944134)
Does free will exist?
Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. -John Lennon
What gives you the right to run homebrew on the PS3? What law, constitutional amendment or court case says that if you buy computer hardware, it must support homebrew? If they're violating those rights, why don't you sue them? If Lenovo chose to lock down the bios and the boot loader such that it only booted Windows(like say, Motorola does with certain Android phones), what law would they violate?
I'm not saying that hackers can't or shouldn't break into these systems, but what I am wondering is why do you feel the obligation and the entitlement to have these systems open for you? We live in a world of closed information systems. Would you expect the firmware on your DVD player or your microwave to be open so you can flash it with anything you'd like?
Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
Some of us are mature enough to recognize that we have rights which are not yet necessarily codified into law. That you speak of laws when others speak of rights is very interesting, I wonder what your father would say about that.
This is irrelevant however since under US law consumers are legally permitted to use their computer hardware as they see fit. Its a right that is inherent in the entire legal concept of ownership. In this country we don't need laws specifically allowing actions, we only use laws to specifically ban things.
Now, when a company decides to implement technical measures to restrict my rights as a consumer, and decides to start lobbing lawyers at whoever dares challenge those measures, they are technically in the legal black. When they start retroactively removing advertised features....... Well, let's just say they start to seriously deserve whatever happens to them.
If you own hardware, you have the right to use it. Sometimes the government doesn't back you up, and sometimes corporations or private citizens don't respect you, but you always have that right. If you cannot grok that short and simple concept, then you have no sense whatsoever.
"linux is just DOS with a UNIX like syntax" -- Galactic Dominator (944134)
In fact, PSN shouldn't really care who you are unless you're trying to buy something.
That is so true. It is very easy to setup multiple PSN accounts. The only thing you really need is to have a "valid?" email account and that email account is only useful if you have forgotten your password or people want to send you messages.
There ain't no such thing as proprietary standards only proprietary formats. Standards are by definition open.
No no no, consumers are used to unintrusive DRM. Console DRM hasn't usually been a problem for people until they decided they wanted 'backups' then it became a slight issue. It's more than a slight issue if you can't play your games when the authentication servers can't be reached, however.
Job? I don't have time to get a job! Who will sit around and bitch about being broke and unemployed then?
Except i had no problems playing Bomberman Ultra, Super SF2 Turbo HD or MegaMan 10 while PSN's been down...
Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
We can be pretty confident at this point that whatever Sony does is not any kind of best practice.
Never attribute to competence any Sony behavior which can be adequately explained by utter idiocy and/or malice.
Fate and free-will are not two separate entities, but rather to aspects of the same mechanism. Fate is something you have, something you are a part of, your will, for the small part it plays in the grand skein of things, helps guide the weave of fate. I guess you could say that I look at it as kind of like the difference between uncertainty of Quantum Physics and the steady predictability of Newtonian Physics.
Any sufficiently advanced influence is indistinguishable from control.