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Finnish Record Labels Want To Block Pirate Bay
jones_supa writes "International Federation of the Phonographic Industry, the national trade association representing record companies in Finland, has filed for a court injunction ordering the Internet service provider Elisa to block access to the Pirate Bay website. 'The development of a legal online market is impossible in Finland if illegal services like The Pirate Bay are freely allowed to continue their operations,' said Lauri Rechardt, a spokesman for Finland's branch of IFPI."
Proxy in the short term. Fuckup International Federation of the Phonographic Industry later. Blah blah blah.
If that was true in any way, shape, form, or sexual position then Apple, Amazon, and a multitude of other legitimate services would have failed.
Lo and behold, they have not. Instead they have grown.
Record labels want to stop an organization which makes money from their copyrighted work without compensating them for that? That is just shocking.
What about iTunes and amazon music etc, don't these count as legal online markets to purchase music? (Or are these unavailable in Finland?)
It's not going to happen.
And The Pirate Bay is not an illegal site.
First you provide multiple working alternatives that don't screw over the consumer, whilst the government regulates the industry to ensure customer safety.
If I have to, I'll go and off each of these idiots. I have a car, guns ain't that hard to find and I'm already in the country.
We're unable to provide a similar service for a reasonable price, and are unwilling to give customers access to music without burdensome restrictions. Therefore, we want to destroy any competition so people are forced to turn to us.
They're amongst the many companies that have no place on the internet. Can't handle the heat of the competition? Then get out of the kitchen (unless you're making me a sandwich, then be quick about it)
Remember kids! Don't download your Long Plays and Singles illegally,
What if someone is using the pirate bay to distribute his own content?
Blocking it for the record company is just using the government and laws to prevent competition.
They are losing control of the music business and they are getting scared.
The development of a legal online market is impossible in Finland if illegal services like The Pirate Bay are freely allowed to continue their operations.
Well, duh. I mean, it totally turned out that way in the US and various other countries with unfettered access to TPB. Nobody ever buys music online from iTunes or Amazon.
We pay ungodly amounts for our blank media so we can legally copy. Fuck you Teosto and Gramex.
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I read "International Federation of the Pornographic Industry" and wondered how I got a job in that organization!
The development of an *overpriced* legal online market is impossible. Make a fairly priced legal online market, and I'll be there, as I am with Amazon's MP3 store.
Download? What's that? Don't make up words!
Don't Download This Song!
Welcome to the Panopticon. Used to be a prison, now it's your home.
I'd have to say that The Pirate Bay is... Finnished.
(removes sunglasses)
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Regardless of the right or wrong of this, Sony have suffered losses of (according to them) ~ 200 million USD due to the Anonymous hacker breach.
It's not clear to me why what must be a smallish industry organization in Finland of all places wants to single itself out for attacks like this?
I'd like then the record labels to provide a free search and tracker for Linux images, free games, public domain music and ebooks, alternative cinema and investigative journalism movies, and other legal material provided normally by the Pirate Bay.
The development of a legal online free culture is impossible in Finland if corrupt organizations like IFPI are allowed to shut down their operators.
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I'm sure thepiratebay don't really care if Finnish record labels access their site.
Maybe they should fu**iing lobby there government to give the UK back there money instead!
I'd like a pony, please. Pink. That farts rainbows.
Holy crap ! What next, Klingon ?
Nullius in verba
Your feeble entry to Eurovision will be mocked!
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
Hungary has a similar law and tax (and quite a few other European countries as well). The tax is currently only distributed among musicians, moviemakers don't get a share, and the distribution ratio is based on popularity ( radio playlists and number of records sold). Downloading copyrighted work is legal*, uploading is illegal. So bittorrent is illegal in theory, as people upload as well, but users aren't prosecuted. (Although, you can't use it in university networks.) Sometimes trackers are shut down. Pay-for-ftp warez servers are quite often the target. And there's BSA. But they only harass corporations.
* Rationale is that users can't know what content is legal and what isn't, but they won't prosecute you even if you're using a pay-for-ftp warez site.
Singles aren't as profitable when you can force consumers to buy the whole CD and pay for every song on it.
nothing here to see except typical nationalistic ego tweaking, jealousies, and grudges. move along
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Suppose, just suppose, that someone in Finland wishes to download something from TPB not owned or controlled by this trade association requesting this all-encompassing block? Something otherwise legal in Finland to download? Hasn't the trade association totally overstepped their charter by trying to deny that as well?
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
Really? People still use TPB? i thought everyone pretty much moved onto private trackers.
Why? simple: the music is advertising that gets you to the show.
So how do fans get into the show if they're not 21 years old yet? And are all musical genres amenable to live performance?
Every CD,T-shirt, etc got you another slot in the drawing.
Did you make sure that this drawing was in compliance with local sweepstakes regulations, which often stipulate no purchase necessary?
We had DJs tell us "Man we just love your stuff and listen to it in our cars, but we'll get fired if your name isn't on the list".
"So how do I get on the list?" If you collect enough replies that a local band can't get on the list, try reporting about these replies to the local newspaper, to newspapers of nearby cities, and then to the major news media. The media have in effect become a fourth branch of government.
Other than "How's it hangin', Grandma?", I thought that Fins don't even listen to their own music.
Those who can, do. Those who can't, go into business for themselves.
Okay, I'm being semi-facetious. But when I want a torrent of something, I never type in Pirate Bay's URL. I go to one of the many torrent search sites easily found by Google. Of the torrent files I download, many point to a Pirate Bay tracker, but just as many don't.
I guess what I'm saying is that I don't see what is accomplished by singling out the Pirate Bay at this point.
------RM
That sounds backward: isn't it difficult-to-impossible to get an illegal trade under control unless there are legal alternatives competing with it?
-rozzin.
#3 - Economic decline in general.
There have been two recent recessions: one starting in 2001 caused by the collapse of the dot-com bubble and the attack on the World Trade Center, and another starting in 2008 caused by the collapse of the housing bubble. Where were the labels between those?
I'd like then the record labels to provide a free search and tracker for Linux images, free games, public domain music and ebooks, alternative cinema and investigative journalism movies, and other legal material provided normally by the Pirate Bay.
Mininova.
Here in the United States, we have a process called OCILLA (17 USC 512) in which a copyright owner can tell a service provider to take an allegedly infringing copy of a work down, and then the subscriber can tell the service provider to put it back up two weeks later. In return, the service provider is immune to contributory or vicarious infringement liability (Viacom v. YouTube). The two week delay is intended to allow the copyright owner enough time to file a copyright suit against the subscriber. I imagine that other countries have analogous processes. But I seem to remember that The Pirate Bay has made a point of flouting such notices, unlike Mininova which stays in business by heeding them.
This has to be the most insightful comment I have ever read here. Throw in a bit about artificial scarcity, and I will vote for you for Emperor of Slashdot.
> "iTunes seems to be doing just fine, even though piratebay and other illegal sites exist."
That's because many people refuse to accept piracy as a legitimate means to get entertainment. It's also worth noting that music sales in the US, when adjusted for inflation and population growth, are roughly 1/3rd what they were 10 years ago.
I read phonographic wrong. Very wrong. Need poffee, I MEAN coffee.
"I'm taking this loop off." - Jack O'Neill
A fight to the finnish? (sorry...)
Back in 1985 or so, I remember reading all of the anti-piracy stuff that was being put out by software companies, all of which essentially amounted to this argument:
If people pirate stuff, there won't be any monetary incentive to create, and:
* The video game industry will dry up and no one will make any more video games.
* The business software industry will dry up and no one will make any business software.
* The record industry will die and no one will make any music.
In 2011, is there any more appropriate reply than "LOL"?
At bare minimum, they need to stop making stupid arguments. "We are losing revenue which we could rightfully pocket if piracy were stopped" is far more honest here, however anyone else feels about piracy. Or "sharing." Or whatever people call it.
People need to drag out the "Don't Copy That Floppy!" stuff from the early days, and rather than laugh at how dated the pitch looks, use it as an example of how fucking stupid the argument is, as it has no basis whatsoever in reality. I seriously wonder who the affected industries think they're impressing with the "OMG piracy - the pump don't work 'cos the vandals took the handle! SOFTWARE FAMINE ICE AGE WASTELAND COMING!" argument, because this is such a laughably shit argument.
I have seen guys playing Nintendos in avant garde Lo fi, so frankly I don't see why any music can't be played live. hell in case you ain't heard Elvis is on tour (digital Elvis with live band) and in Japan they have a hologram throwing live concerts and packing the place!
As for the sweepstakes rules? Dude cops don't care about that as long as the drawings are fair which was why they had the "no purchase necessary" placed in there in the first place! Hell we even had a uniformed state trooper do the drawing at one of our shows, he got a thrill out of being the one to choose the winners and hand out the prizes, nobody cares as long as you're honest, and since we in the band NEVER did the drawings ourselves, but would pick some random person from the front row to reach in and draw the tickets it was all good.
As for kids most of us are QUITE happy to play outdoor festivals and all age shows, our main concern is you get to enjoy the music, not how much booze you get to drink. Most bands love playing the summer shed shows, it lets us get closer to the audience (we would always set up a booth in the back where folks could get merch and talk to us about anything, it was nice to get folks asking questions like "Why do you play that pretty red & white bass on some songs and not on others?" Answer-Because it is nearly 40 pounds of South American Swamp ash and sling that sucker for the whole show slows me down, whereas my black JP90 is less than 10 pounds and lets me run across the stage like a madman?) and we were all kids too once you know. We remember how nice it was to go out and catch a live band and have a good time.
As for "how do I get on the list" are you SERIOUSLY that naive dude? Because the same companies that own the radio own the TV thanks to the congress critters removing that pesky "only allowed so many stations per area" rule. Go look up the rules on Clear channel play, I'm sure you'll find them posted, no big secret. you have to be signed with an affiliated label to get on the lists. No label deal? no play for you! It isn't exactly a secret dude, its been that way for years. Good luck BTW since no lawyer is gonna want to tangle with those sharks for less than a couple of hundred grand up front, as they know the appeals will take the better part of a decade.
ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
How else are we going to get such wonders as this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHReqKRvonE
Inheritance is the sincerest form of nepotism.
Being working in IT security company and creating network security services and in particular blocking sites, IPs etc I would say that blocking TPB wouldn't solve IFPI's "problem" anyway. Even so it is easy to block particular site, but it is also easy to bypass such blocks. TPB site is just a catalog of available downloads, actual exchange happens (or could happen) without TPB being involved in it. Of cause there is ways to block p2p connections, but that would block all even legal connections, which would harm big companies business.
Btw this isn't a first time some finnish politician try to restrict internet usage in Finland. I wasn't succeeded before, it most probably wouldn't succeed this time either. But my point is even if such law would pass through it wouldn't help IFPI, but just add more harassment to the end user.
This is so ridiculous that it has to end now. The court rules them guilty of making it possible to share files illegally. Okay.. let me provide a few more examples they should target next according to their logic.
You get the point... So please, MAFIAA, RIAA, RETARDAA, go ahead censor the whole fucking shebang or shut all networks, and you will finally see the dormant reaction of the people you have been trying to provoke for so long.. Pirate Bay is not wrong in its actions, neither is Anonymous in defending the founders.
The last person to mod me down is a rotten egg..... there.. that should do it..
As a Finn who's been subscribing Spotify for half a year I guess it's time to get back to pirating.
I'd happily pay for music if the price is right - I think Spotify's 10e/month is ok - and the money would actually go the artists. However, I do not want to support the greedy media companies and their failing business model.
I'm really looking forward to seeing how far people & goverments will let this bullshit escalate until someone calls it a bluff and does something. At least here in Finland it's money talking all the way for now...
So these guys would also sue their streetbuilders because it would be possible to smuggle goods on streets. Interesting!
But as a resident of austria I know how you guys feel. They forced our main ISP UPC Austria to block kino.to^^ After about 2 hours
a new domain with new IPs was registered by the guys of kino.to . An effective law....
Because the same companies that own the radio own the TV
Then get your story on NPR.
Go look up the rules on Clear channel play, I'm sure you'll find them posted, no big secret. you have to be signed with an affiliated label to get on the lists.
I couldn't find such on ClearChannel.com nor on Google rules on clear channel play. Nor does Wikipedia's article about Clear Channel Communications contain the word "label". Google clear channel affiliated label pulls up an article about Clear Channel's allegedly having ended payola four years ago.