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EVE Online Targeted By LulzSec

lordsilence writes "It seems LulzSec is now targeting CCP Games' Eve Online with a denial of service attack. The extent of this attack is yet not known but the game cluster and EVEOnline.com website are down at the writing of this post.. A possible reason for targeting CCP could be the affiliation with Sony. CCP recently announced during E3 that their upcoming game Dust514 would be Sony Playstation 3 exclusive."

352 comments

  1. Not the only target... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mincraft.net was also a target, but appears to be up and running.

    Escapist Magazine is down.

    1. Re:Not the only target... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Their twitter specifically said they're letting off on Minecraft.

      https://twitter.com/#!/LulzSec

      This is the end result of the SomethingAwful mindset. Hope you're happy, Internet.

    2. Re:Not the only target... by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Escapist? I wonder how they pissed in LulzSec's cheerios? 8:5 it was something Yahtzee said. :)

    3. Re:Not the only target... by The+Archon+V2.0 · · Score: 1

      Escapist? I wonder how they pissed in LulzSec's cheerios?

      No idea. Their reports on LulzSec haven't seemed any more hostile than anyone else's.

      8:5 it was something Yahtzee said. :)

      You'd think they'd find a kindred spirit in him. He's a one-man Escapist DDoS, for crying out loud.

    4. Re:Not the only target... by RoFLKOPTr · · Score: 1

      According to their Twitter, they were taking requests for DDoS, and targets included Minecraft, Escapist, EVE, and League of Legends.

  2. I call BS by Dyinobal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I call BS on the Sony affiliate thing. They've also attacked Minecraft, and the Escapist Magazine. These guys have no purpose or cause other than drama, they are just Anonymous rejects (which is kinda sad) looking for attention.

    1. Re:I call BS by OverlordQ · · Score: 3, Funny

      It boggles the mind how emos found the time to learn hacking.

      --
      Your hair look like poop, Bob! - Wanker.
    2. Re:I call BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mojang has announced that the first device to get Minecraft Mobile will be the Sony Xperia phone.

    3. Re:I call BS by jdpars · · Score: 2

      Agreed. They're children with toys. I may feel angry now, but I know the appropriate response is pity. I'd love to offer these guys an ear to hear out their problems, that's probably what they need most.

    4. Re:I call BS by Tolkien · · Score: 1, Interesting

      My guess is that LulzSec == government entities (joint or not is no matter) looking to discredit Anonymous. The real Anonymous of yore wouldn't point their cannons in such arbitrary manners.

    5. Re:I call BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they are just Anonymous rejects (which is kinda sad) looking for attention.

      They're the only people from anonymous who actually know anything about hacking besides booting up LoIC.

    6. Re:I call BS by JavaBear · · Score: 1, Interesting

      LulzSec is a bunch of DDoS'ing script-kiddies in serious need of some hot and heavy man love in a Super Max...

    7. Re:I call BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's my guess. These are a group of guys that got their butts kicked in some Call of Duty by some 12 year olds online. So to get back at them they first took down Sony PSN. Then they are cross referencing those gamer names with the same gamer names on other gaming sites to see if there are any patterns in passwords so they can hack a real account with substance from these kids. If we could get these 12 year olds to just come out and say that "Anonymous pwns and they totally pooped on us." Then maybe the hacking will stop.

      Or its M$ just screwing around.

    8. Re:I call BS by Millennium · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The real Anonymous of yore wouldn't point their cannons in such arbitrary manners.

      I thought that arbitrarily pointing the cannon was most of the point of Anonymous, both of yore and today. The whole thing with not being your personal army and all that.

    9. Re:I call BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You may feel angry because those toys aren't available to you, or me.
      What you'd love right now is being in the playground with the others and not in a dark, isolate angle, trying to pretend you want to help them out.
      See, the canonical good samaritan doesn't fake his attention needs, you might want to look for someone who actually hear _your_ problems.

    10. Re:I call BS by hansamurai · · Score: 1

      Doubt it, they just opened up an 800 number are simply accepting requests on targets. It sounds like they targeted Escapist because of their recent reporting on their Bethesda hack, but Minecraft and EVE just seems to come from boredom.

    11. Re:I call BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      1. Feel cognitive dissonance (b-b-but they're freedom fighters)
      2. Blame conspiracy (the government did to smear them)
      3. Feel better (I can't be wrong, I'm so smart)
      D. Repeat spiral into full retard mode

    12. Re:I call BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe they do for the lulz

    13. Re:I call BS by artor3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Paranoid much? Just accept that your heroes are no such thing. They do what they do, "for the lulz". There is no higher purpose. No false flag. They just enjoy making other people miserable and laughing at their misfortune.

      I saw something online a month ago or so. Apparently Anonymous responded to a bunch of dating site ads by lonely men, pretending to be interested women, and inviting them to a date at a predetermined place and time. They secretly filled the spot, hoping to live-stream the misery of these people as they realized no one was coming. Was that a false flag attack too?

      These people are just bullies, getting off on the suffering of others.

    14. Re:I call BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm waiting for them to go after Evony...discreetly.

    15. Re:i call BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I call BS on the Sony affiliate thing. They've also attacked Minecraft, and the Escapist Magazine."

      I think you should do alittle bit more research, Minecraft has a deal in the works for a exclusive title (psp). CCP also has a deal for a playstation exclusive title (ps3). Sony also pays escapist for advertisement and reviews. So in whole there all developers/company who have a contract agreement with sony.

    16. Re:I call BS by 0racle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Who needs to learn how to use LOIC?

      --
      "I use a Mac because I'm just better than you are."
    17. Re:I call BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Of yore" attacked Visa's website rather than their processing servers, specifically to avoid causing problems for merchants.

      Of course, this may have been a one-off thing and the hivemind has since decided that it's more fun to cause as much collateral damage as possible.

    18. Re:I call BS by Tolkien · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Anonymous is nobody's personal army, they coordinate because of shared beliefs and because of the obvious fact that there is power in numbers. Those who don't share the beliefs simply don't join in the attacks. Anonymous is Hive-mind or "peer-to-peer" thought. This is what governments would likely capitalize on. Shards of the group splitting off and "going rogue" with the unspoken objective of discrediting the original values of Anonymous is entirely believable and possible. That's why we need to be careful of who to believe and trust even if they wear the same name tag as "the Anonymous of yore", so to speak. There's no reason for Anonymous to have lost its core values. A different group is just borrowing the name for their own purposes, whatever they may be.

    19. Re:I call BS by jdpars · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, I feel angry because my internet spaceships are gone.

    20. Re:I call BS by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My guess is that LulzSec == government entities (joint or not is no matter) looking to discredit Anonymous. The real Anonymous of yore wouldn't point their cannons in such arbitrary manners.

      Eh? They would not? How do you know? Do you claim to speak for anon? Oh right, anybody can speak for anon. Perhaps you can begin to see the problem here...

    21. Re:I call BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd love to offer these guys an ear to hear out their problems, that's probably what they need most.

      They'll have plenty of time to tell their cellmates all about it.

    22. Re:I call BS by Tolkien · · Score: 1

      Ah but initially Anonymous primarily used DDoS as a primary form of attack. This causes minimal damage and disruptions if you compare with rooting systems, rooting systems means the admins are required to take the affected systems and potentially those connected offline until the damage has been assessed and remedied somehow. That doesn't even take into account the fact you should assume a system or network that has been rooted will have had data copied off it.

    23. Re:I call BS by N!k0N · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, I feel angry because my internet spaceships are gone.

      QFT. Internet Spaceships are serious business.

    24. Re:I call BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doubtful.

      EVE was probably targeted because some xbawkz crybaby was mad that Dust 514 was a PS3 exclusive entirely unsatisfied that Microsoft, being the asshats they are, weren't willing to play ball with CCP in order to allow the game on the 360.

    25. Re:I call BS by NoSleepDemon · · Score: 1

      I wonder whether or not some Amerikan government employees have infiltrated the group, Anon and /b/ do generally look upon geek culture and gaming favourably after-all. This seems to have slipped some minds.

    26. Re:I call BS by desdinova+216 · · Score: 2

      Never go Full Retard

    27. Re:I call BS by Caratted · · Score: 1

      They've also pulled off some ... ehh ... inspired? SQL injections/dump/DB acquisitions.

      Not that your point is missed, but at least a couple of them know what they're doing to an extent.

    28. Re:I call BS by Patch86 · · Score: 1

      It's probably as much for the Something Awful ties as the Sony ones. Anonymous aren't exactly known for having a high threshold of reasoning required for DOSing something.

    29. Re:I call BS by Tolkien · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Paranoid much? Just accept that your heroes are no such thing. They do what they do, "for the lulz".

      Well...

      When everyone is out to get you, paranoia is just good thinking.

      ;) It's true that LulzSec is rather wreckless. But the "original" Anonymous still exists somewhere, how can't it? It seems to me that it only works towards my argument (mind you I don't firmly believe it, it was just a guess as I originally stated, I'm only defending the "original" Anonymous as a devil's advocate if you will).

      There is no higher purpose. No false flag. They just enjoy making other people miserable and laughing at their misfortune.

      I saw something online a month ago or so. Apparently Anonymous responded to a bunch of dating site ads by lonely men, pretending to be interested women, and inviting them to a date at a predetermined place and time. They secretly filled the spot, hoping to live-stream the misery of these people as they realized no one was coming. Was that a false flag attack too?

      These people are just bullies, getting off on the suffering of others.

      Yeah, LulzSec does seem to be rather loose. Their actions in the example you give are rather cruel, too. :|

    30. Re:I call BS by smelch · · Score: 1

      Right, which is why Slashdot is full of threads about how great it is we have 3 different consoles to serve different purposes and nothing ever resorts to a pissing contest about gamecubes with waggle bolted on and free online play. Nerds love all aspects of nerd-dom.

      --
      If I can just reach out with my words and touch a butthole, just one, it will all be worth it.
    31. Re:I call BS by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      Dammit We have a War dec starting today...

      - Dan.

      --
      ~ People that think they are better than anyone else for any reason are the cause of all the strife in the world.
    32. Re:I call BS by NoSleepDemon · · Score: 1

      It's fairly inconsistent with their previous targets though.

    33. Re:I call BS by tlhIngan · · Score: 4, Informative

      Who needs to learn how to use LOIC?

      LOIC just floods a server, it's not a terribly useful tool for anything other than DDoS. For Anonymous, that's good enough.

      LulzSec though wants to go after blood - userlists, corporate data, etc. You need a fancier tool than LOIC to do that, and some skill.

      Anonymous would just make EVE harder to play by increasing lag of the entire game. LulzSec would really just mess things up by zeroing everyone's balance or giving tons of money or screwing with everyone's stats.

    34. Re:I call BS by Dunbal · · Score: 2

      Surprise, all your POS will be in reinforced mode when you come back...

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      Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
    35. Re:I call BS by horza · · Score: 1

      Amazing that no matter how many times people explain Anon there are still people like artor3. They are obviously deaf. Various misc may form splinter groups for lulz, but the causes that gain most traction tend to be just ones as most people are fairly decent. Anyway the dating prank is pretty tame compared to many. Odd argument that some hidden camera joke is false flag compared to hacking the Senate web site, that just doesn't make any sense.

      Phillip.

    36. Re:I call BS by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Orphanage, by any chance? If so, bring it on. I've got a transport ship with enough warp stabs to escape anything short of a whole fleet of tacklers, and a cloak besides.

    37. Re:I call BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It appears they're just taking requests by Twitter and phone and knocking things down via DDoS, 'for the lulz': http://twitter.com/#!/lulzsec

      League of Legends down. Minecraft down. Escapist down. EVE down. finfisher.com down.

      That's today, so far...

      The interesting thing is, I wouldn't guess this is a voluntary (ie Loic) DDoS. Seems unlikely since they're also specifically targeting gamers and gaming companies to elicit 'gamer rage'. I mean, how many 14 year olds are donating their machines to those causes? So are they operating with botnets of compromised machines? That'd be like a force multiplier of illegal, anti-social behavior. Either way, no pretense whatsoever of calling attention to social wrongs.

      If my suspicions are correct (admittedly, they're quite possibly not), it kinda makes you miss the olden-days of Anon trolling Scientology and anti-wikileaks orgs because they think it's right.

      If it is voluntary, a few simple switches at Twitter, Facebook, whichever registrar and Freenode should do the trick and break up the C&C. At least for a little while. It's not that they couldn't switch to new places, but getting the message out is a relatively slow process.

    38. Re:I call BS by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      They didn't "pwn" anything. They just DDoSed EVE, and the admins took the servers and forums offline which is pretty standard when you're being DDoSed. Not quite the same thing as breaking in and stealing all the password/credit card info... but they're acting as if they are the real shit.

      EVE Online: 1 LulzSec: 0

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      Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
    39. Re:I call BS by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't help much on EVE, as login names are completly seperate from character names.

    40. Re:I call BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All the real hacking is done by a small group of 4-5 people who have a background in security. One member works for a Tier 1 ISP and at least two of them run a botnet for various SPAM/extortion rings.

    41. Re:I call BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how about a hic? ^_^

    42. Re:I call BS by 0racle · · Score: 1

      Except by information currently out, it's just a DDOS.

      --
      "I use a Mac because I'm just better than you are."
    43. Re:I call BS by Tolkien · · Score: 1

      My guess is that LulzSec == government entities (joint or not is no matter) looking to discredit Anonymous. The real Anonymous of yore wouldn't point their cannons in such arbitrary manners.

      Eh? They would not? How do you know? Do you claim to speak for anon? Oh right, anybody can speak for anon. Perhaps you can begin to see the problem here...

      My point exactly! :D Governments and most of the media are intent on Anonymous being one large structured organization, labelling all who wear the name as evil when in fact that's not necessarily the case. In reality using the name of Anonymous is entirely interchangeable with "an unknown group of people", whereas governments and most of the media tend to have it be interchangeable with something like "Microsoft" (in terms of loosely knit group of people versus structured organizations).

      Also, I'm not speaking for Anonymous, this post isn't AC. :)

      Basically, I was a big fan of the Anonymous who DDoSed Visa and Sony and and even those who rooted Sony after that. Call it "war fatigue" or something but the attacks on arbitrary entities afterwards does seem rather unwarranted. LulzSec is just.. pfeh. Attention seekers indeed (note that this doesn't preclude my original guess of LulzSec being a gov't group).

      Meanwhile you do have good Anonymous groups who are doing things like taking down or defacing Turkish gov't sites because that gov't is currently working on measures for enforcing censorship. That's the sort of thing I approve of. It's the modern way for people to speak out in a way that governments can't just let the cries of hundreds of thousands of voices be drowned out by large wads of dollar bills by the corporate elite, because it's actually disruptive to the government without necessarily being disruptive to the people.

    44. Re:I call BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Forever Alone thing wasn't "LulzSec", that was very much "Anonymous", as in it was organized on normal "Anonymous" haunts (/b/ and such). They tell us there is no formal "Anonymous", but we can at least try to categorize Anonymouses by their method of organization, and that was very much classic Anonymous.

    45. Re:I call BS by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      My money is on the same bet. Cui bono? It's easy to say "they do it for the lulz", but where's the lulz? If they really wanted to screw with people, target WoW servers, preferably during raid primetimes, and cycle through the shards around the globe to follow the timezones. Now THERE is some outcry and whining to gain! But EvE? Oh please, who cares besides the roughly 3000 people who play it "seriously"? In WoW, you can target 3000 per server to grief!

      But Blizzard is a US company, while CCP is based in Iceland, but the attack will still be noticed and most of all it will cause an uproar with geeks since, arguably, it's probably the game that geeks might prefer.

      I'm not sure, but the target does not really match the usual pattern.

      --
      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    46. Re:I call BS by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      You mean found the time to download a kit to do the hacking for them.

    47. Re:I call BS by smelch · · Score: 1

      That's true. But nobody hates nerds like other nerds. We understand why the "others" are so stupid instead of just assuming. :-)

      --
      If I can just reach out with my words and touch a butthole, just one, it will all be worth it.
    48. Re:I call BS by icebike · · Score: 2

      You may feel angry because those toys aren't available to you, or me.
      What you'd love right now is being in the playground with the others and not in a dark, isolate angle, trying to pretend you want to help them out.
      See, the canonical good samaritan doesn't fake his attention needs, you might want to look for someone who actually hear _your_ problems.

      Seriously?

      I couldn't eek out a moment in my day to use these toys to attack some web site somewhere. I have an actual life, and no basement to crawl into.

      Some day the perpwalks will start.
      How smug will you be then?

      --
      Sig Battery depleted. Reverting to safe mode.
    49. Re:I call BS by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      You'd probably be surprised how easy those "inspired" SQL injection attacks can be done. For every security conscious company, there are at least 5 more who don't even know how to spell security, and that's where you get in. Also, if you keep prodding at servers for long enough you will eventually come across one that is prone to an injection. The servers I'm responsible for get prodded and probed on a daily base, and since they're not a target that's THAT big or interesting, I think it's safe to assume that I'm not the only security manager who gets to read a good amount of "someone knocked, here's what he said" logs to read every morning.

      What we saw might well just be the server that responded favorably to their knocking.

      --
      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    50. Re:I call BS by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      There is no group by their own claims. Therefore Anonymous doesn't exist as a classifiable entity.

      Without formal leadership or membership, Anonymous can in fact be categorized by the acts of "splinter" groups because they are no less official than any other member of Anonymous.

      When you get tired of people misrepresenting your ideals, you create formalities like membership and leadership and disciplinary committees and ... omg, just like the real world.

      --
      - Michael T. Babcock (Yes, I blog)
    51. Re:I call BS by scubamage · · Score: 1

      Doesn't surprise me honestly. Judging by the amount of traffic they're able to generate I was figuring they're running a botnet (or leasing access to one).

    52. Re:I call BS by nschubach · · Score: 1

      (note that this doesn't preclude my original guess of LulzSec being a gov't group)

      I wouldn't doubt it, but not for the same reason you do (from what I understand of your posts...) My thought is that they are attacking the "youth" hangouts in order to rile up the young voters to vote something into law that they likely would not have done prior.

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      Every time I start to have faith in humanity, I ruin it by driving to work between 7 and 8 am.
    53. Re:I call BS by scubamage · · Score: 1

      There were never any good old days, they are today, they are tomorrow. Its a stupid thing we say, cursing tomorrow with sorrow. Anonymous has always done raids. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't know what they're talking about. Now they're just BAM taking it up a notch.

    54. Re:I call BS by nschubach · · Score: 1

      People still play that besides the bots?

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      Every time I start to have faith in humanity, I ruin it by driving to work between 7 and 8 am.
    55. Re:I call BS by scubamage · · Score: 0

      All I want them to be is chaos. The world is too organized, I see chaos as a good thing. Even if it impacts me negatively. Yes, I know that is a weird way to think, but my thoughts and opinion are my own. As mentioned in another response, Anonymous!=LulzSec. Yes they use the same memes, but they've set themselves apart. They share common roots, but I'm pretty sure they've fractured off at this point.

    56. Re:I call BS by scubamage · · Score: 1

      Eh, you can't give too many props for sql injection. There are firefox extensions that do it for you these days. I do agree that some of them have done some decent work, just nitpicking.

    57. Re:I call BS by Tolkien · · Score: 1

      That's plausible, sure. :)

    58. Re:I call BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Goal: Take EVE's servers and forums offline.
      Action: DDoS.
      Outcome: EVE's admins take their own servers and forums offline.

      And you're saying that EVE wins that sortie? How do you figure?

      "pretty standard when you're being DDoSed" is one of two outcomes: either going offline (attackers win) or STAYING ONLINE (attackers lose). Preemptively shooting yourself doesn't change the fact that you're dead.

    59. Re:I call BS by Pieroxy · · Score: 1

      That said, I can't help but wonder if this sudden attention paid to security will be bad in the long run. I mean, people need to be aware that their data is not safe when it is online. Their campaign has a good chance of pointing that out to the masses.

      There will be ton of ill advised side effects. But the message needs to get out.

      Overall I don't think this is bad.

    60. Re:I call BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is not the place to be airing your fantasies, there are sites for that.

    61. Re:I call BS by Tolkien · · Score: 1

      -1 Troll? What the hell? Did LulzSec just show up?

    62. Re:I call BS by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      Because DDoS isn't "hacking" and has nothing to do with "security" - except perhaps the security of the zombie boxes they are using. Anyone with a botnet can DDoS - it proves nothing. Breaking into Sony, or the US Senate, for example, is extremely lulzy and their IT managers should die of embarrassment on their way to the unemployment lines. But DDoS? If anything it's an ISP issue. CCP is still secure.

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      Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
    63. Re:I call BS by squidflakes · · Score: 1

      I, for one, wanted them to hit WoW in much the same manner you suggested. THAT would be some lulz. Especially since most schools are out, and summer school hasn't started yet.

    64. Re:I call BS by jdpars · · Score: 1

      No, I'm mad the same way I'd be mad if some caveman came and hit my shiny new fire with a club until it died out. DDoS is a brute force tool used to gain attention and tick people off.

    65. Re:I call BS by Plekto · · Score: 1

      This really doesn't make sense, either, as EVE actually has some serious IT professionals working for it and has very high levels of security. I know this as the company I last worked for had a nearly identical server farm (though they processed computer data and didn't run a game on it) and it's as bleeding-edge as it gets. The specs call for a server farm that unlike most servers where requests for data come from single points and access individual drives (short bursts of concentrated activity), essentially every machine has to be able to have its maximum bandwidth to any and all others in the network simultaneously.

      Traditional server networks and networking protocols (as well as even the network card drivers) aren't designed for this as it requires a virtual rats nest of interconnects and special wiring as well as a solid state array to handle the cache and I/O from the SQL stacks. (note - not a bunch of SSDs) Because unlike WoW and other games, the entire cluster of machines that make up the entire server has to operate as if it were only one single computer and every sub-component was essentially like memory address locations on the sticks of RAM. The solid state array functions as essentially the Northbridge. Imagine a giant cluster of 100+ machines networked like a neural network and you're close to the insanity that his type of computer engineering requires..

      Dummies don't work on and put together such systems. I knew about it as it was exceedingly rare at the time it was started to even try this and only about a dozen companies were trying to even do this sort of thing, including the one I worked for. Usually you'd see this in financial and similar fields where TB of data per hour is being processed or moved around, but not applied to an online game in a large scale. 6-7 years ago it was unheard of. Now, more companies are doing this sort of thing, naturally. But only one online game does this. Hence, what drew attention to it at the time from others trying or having done similar setups.

      And it's just a game. Perhaps they wanted to try to get customer data and went after what they thought was a softer target, but they're going to get nothing. CCP is a bunch of jerks most of the time precisely because they are all hard-asses and take their tech so seriously. These guys would have been better off targeting an insurance company or something that actually was easier. CCP will simply take the entire system offline and wait. It's not like they give a damn about what the rest of the world thinks. Unlike Sony, they are impossible to pressure and don't care what happens in the press because of this.

      These guys will pound dirt for a week or two and then give up. So in a way, it's not really news.

      NOTE - because of their seat in Parliament in Iceland (as they are about the only major company making money there right now), the government of Iceland views any serious threat to them as an attack on their own government or one of its agencies. With Iceland within possible weeks of joining the EU as I type this, it's just one more vote in the end for more restrictive rules and laws governing online use. Because you know that Iceland will vote to be as brutally hard-line about security as it feels that it needs to to protect its one real cash cow. Way to go, guys. You just made your life and most of the EU's online community that much harder.

    66. Re:I call BS by Rizimar · · Score: 1

      Any by hacking you mean beginning various protocol handshakes and not completing them so they time out or overloading the remote server with garbage.Seems like this little collective is just attacking anything that moves at this point.

    67. Re:I call BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What I find amusing is that there's probably a healthy number of Lulzsec members reading this thread right now, and I imagine laughing at comments like yours.

      Not to say that I myself am a member... I'm not stupid enough to do something that would quite likely end with me being arrested. I'm just posting anon because I won't log in from work.

      But long story short, odds are Lulzsec loves the publicity they're getting from Slashdot.

    68. Re:I call BS by Plekto · · Score: 1

      The think they forgot that CCP is part of the government of Iceland at this point.(ie - they actually have a voting seat in Parliament there).

      With the vote for admission to the EU coming within days or weeks, this is a stupid thing to do as it essentially cements Iceland's position as hard-core about internet rules and enforcement. Because what threatens CCP (about the only company in Iceland making major profit at this point in time) is seen as a direct threat to Iceland by its government. They aren't a very humorous people to begin with (especially after the beating their economy took), and this pretty much puts them solidly in the anti-online-rights crowd. I know it's just a few potential votes in the EU, but all these attacks seem to do is to whittle away support for a free and open net one vote or representative at a time.

      It seems as if nobody bothers to check any more to see if these targets are politically linked to bigger issues that might hurt users online. They just rampage like a mob and then wonder why the army sent in troops to enforce martial law.

    69. Re:I call BS by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      For the lulz.

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    70. Re:I call BS by exomondo · · Score: 1

      That said, I can't help but wonder if this sudden attention paid to security will be bad in the long run.

      Have you been through airport security in the US lately? The last time a security issue was 'pointed out' by 'hackers' it was used by the government to create a middle-east shitstorm.

    71. Re:I call BS by exomondo · · Score: 2

      The real Anonymous of yore wouldn't point their cannons in such arbitrary manners.

      You mean the Anonymous that trolled gays, 12 year old girls, dating site members, etc...? Certainly sounds like the 'Anonymous of yore' would do that sort of arbitrary trolling and attacks.

    72. Re:I call BS by bug1 · · Score: 1

      "Because you know that Iceland will vote to be as brutally hard-line about security as it feels that it needs to to protect its one real cash cow."

      Did you know that CCP doesnt run Iceland, they are like a democracy and stuff. They stood up for press freedom during Wikileaks hour of need.

      Actually the Internet in Iceland is quite popular, lots of firsts. ahref=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_in_Icelandrel=url2html-17702http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_in_Iceland>

      Do you really think they are going to become all authoritarian and change their country because of one DDOS attack ?

      You been in the server room to long...

    73. Re:I call BS by Plekto · · Score: 1

      Perhaps, perhaps not. But it'll sway some votes to tighten security. In a way, it's a lot like gun laws. They don't ever say "lets ban all guns". They are slow and sneaky about it and when it comes time to vote on issues like increased security and more oversight (all in the name of good, of course...), it's just one more vote that goes the wrong way. Sure, they are all pro-democracy, but even the most liberal nations are feeling the problems lately of how the net is essentially a vast chaotic mess. Another few hacks and DDOS may be all it takes before even the few remaining hold-outs start to take a hard line. Just like most nations already have concerning crime. The historical trend has always been to accelerate slowly towards an authoritarian model in any society. First it's crime, then it's commerce and money, then it's rights, then it's things like the Internet and free speech.

      The more they attack and do things like this, the more they are seen as an actual threat to be dealt with. And then we all lose. What we are dealing with is a bunch of idiots in a giant mob who unfortunately don't see the bigger issue. If you create large enough problems (using the mob analogy), the National Guard *will* eventually be called in. The question is are we talking about 5 years or 50 years.

      Because CCP can actually stand up in front of the other representatives and voice its opinion on the matter directly, they effectively are the equivalent of a major PAC if we were talking about U.S. politics. "We need to support stronger regulation and control" is hard to ignore when your country is broke due to lack of general control and oversight of its financial markets and banks.

    74. Re:I call BS by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      Besides, EVE has been hosted from the UK for a few years now. Still the UK has some pretty tough anti-hacking laws. These guys had better be behind 7 proxies.

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    75. Re:I call BS by Hadlock · · Score: 1

      Agreed, ddos isn't newsworthy unless it hits a service that actually affects meatspace (like a CC processor). There's also no lasting impact.

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    76. Re:I call BS by Labcoat+Samurai · · Score: 1

      So... I don't want to be a dick, but your profile indicates you posted more than a dozen times on slashdot today. As much as I think these guys are a worthless waste of space, I always find the "I have a life" argument to be a silly one. If you thought, as they do, that this was sufficiently amusing, you'd find the time. Presumably, you just agree with me that this is not the way a reasonable person conducts himself.

    77. Re:I call BS by ZeRu · · Score: 1

      You call Battleship? Yeah, I takes nothing less to beat those obnoxious hackers.

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    78. Re:I call BS by mihamicka · · Score: 1

      yeah Anonymous group are organized and they hack with certain purposes ....LulzSec are just loosers who hack just to delete others work for day or months... which shows why they are not in Anonymous group... i agree all CCP have Windows based servers... and those are just like an invitation to that... but to fuck up with others work for months.. that is just idiotic... and stupid...... ppl like this disgusts me ...

    79. Re:I call BS by V+for+Vendetta · · Score: 1

      This really doesn't make sense, either, as EVE actually has some serious IT professionals working for it and has very high levels of security.

      "High level of security"? You mean like storing authentication credentials in plain text in cookies?

      Don't get me wrong, I like EVE, I do like the guys at CCP to some extend and from what I've read over the years, the server/hardware guys seem to be one of the better departements at CCP. Unfortunately, you can secure your servers hardware-wise all you want, if a coder is too sloopy and let things as the above happen, you're out of luck.

    80. Re:I call BS by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      OK, we'll let these sad fucks practise their 1337 haxoring on all your favourite web sites for a few years.

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    81. Re:I call BS by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      My guess is that LulzSec == government entities (joint or not is no matter) looking to discredit Anonymous. The real Anonymous of yore wouldn't point their cannons in such arbitrary manners.

      Er, so why wouldn't they call themselves Anonymous instead of LulzSec?

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    82. Re:I call BS by Plekto · · Score: 1

      True, mistakes can happen at any company. But having a problem with cookies is an issue that is the user's issue, really. (ie - if their machine gets hacked, they're toast any ways). The servers themselves are fairly tightly watched over and maintained. Far better than the "security?" attitude of Sony and many other large companies.

      Their forums do suck I have to admit. Good servers. The rest of the team can't seem to make a decent forum.

      I just typed in "starter character" in their search field on the forum and it still spits back an un-filterable mess of all sorts of dates and articles. Like a pile of server vomit, really. It doesn't even take into account the forum that you were in when you made the request. It's honestly the worst forum that I've ever used in my entire nearly 30 years of computing. Nothing is properly indexed, nothing is really search-able, and nothing is threaded properly.

    83. Re:I call BS by Pieroxy · · Score: 1

      I'd rather have "sad fucks" practice this and get public about it than real fuckers that hack into every website like LulzSec does and just use the information without anyone knowing it.

      I'd even have LulzSec + the real hackers than the real hackers alone. That way, at least, people are aware that something is happening.

    84. Re:I call BS by caranha · · Score: 1

      Still, all you need is one (or a couple) of alphas to make a good script, and a bunch of mindless drones to follow it.

    85. Re:I call BS by Tolkien · · Score: 1

      To stand out while remaining otherwise anonymous.. I don't know how else to say it.

    86. Re:I call BS by Tolkien · · Score: 1

      I didn't mean that particular Anonymous, but they did indeed come first.

    87. Re:I call BS by V+for+Vendetta · · Score: 1

      Well, that's because this is still the old (homebrew) forum from 2003. The new one (based on YAF) was taken offline on its release day because of the above incident at the end of April, but hasn't come back online since then.

      As for forum search, there's really only one place to go, Chribba's eve-search.com.

      And the cookie thing: that was not a user's issue. You could impersonate yourself as a dev/GM, gaining their "magic" on the forums, post as those (and as any player, too), edit any posting you like and things like that. Pretty much like the same obvious and stupid mistake that also enabled the Citibank hack.

  3. Ha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Curious on how will they justify their actions when they attack UNESCO or Greenpeace. Affiliation with Sony my ass.

  4. Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Or maybe they don't have a motive and are just being dicks for the sake of being dicks.

    1. Re:Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or maybe they don't have a motive and are just being dicks for the sake of being dicks.

      "Winning"!!!

    2. Re:Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or maybe they don't have a motive and are just being dicks for the sake of being dicks.

      Why they need to be stopped, jailed, and meet the real dicks.

    3. Re:Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A Dick is a Dick, nothing else :)

    4. Re:Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed. It's as if all those supposedly "Internet experts" here at Slashdot, have no concept of the definition of the word "lulz".
      Yes, it may be a dumb sub-culture to you, but just like punk or hippies, we have to accept that they are part of our society. You can only deal with something you understand.

      "lulz" simply means Schadenfreude. Which a German word, literally meaning "harm joy". The exact feeling you had, when you watched that TV show where all those people fall over and hurt themselves, and you laughed at it.
      No idea why people react that way. (Because we also can't quite define humor yet.) But they do. And most of you are not an exception. (Weirdly, I am an exception. I never found that funny, because I always felt that pain myself. I guess I'm way too empathic for a geek. ;)

      The Encyclopedia Dramatica page will offer you more details about the concept, and how it is used.

      Let's just say: If you think there is any point in these hacks, you should read their series on trolls and on "Lernin to Internet"

    5. Re:Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speaking of "Lernin to Internet":

      ED has been gone for months. Yeah there are mirrors, but directing people to "The Encyclopedia Dramatica page" won't get them very far at all.

    6. Re:Or... by KingBenny · · Score: 1

      still, beating playstation exclusive marketeers with a beating dick seems like not a total bad idea ... but any colour hat ethic would have them target the company or the development of the new game , not the players of the old one in my mostly somewhat less humble opinion

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    7. Re:Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well, did anyone take a look at their published motives? that's exactly the point, just dicking around for lulz while wearing a top hat and running a callcenter, just proving a point and nothing more. and eve online is full of dicks who think that waiting is good gaming anyhow. you think it's surprising to find such people in the current world? if you do, then you got your head in your ass and should go see some lulz.

  5. Bad Idea. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Everyone knows the REAL hackers play eve online.

    1. Re:Bad Idea. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Actually is peak play time for Russian bot runners and RMT sellers and you really don't wanna mess with them. Lulzsec just fucked with the wrong marines

    2. Re:Bad Idea. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, those individuals are certainly more dangerous than anyone they've already bothered to hack so far. Keep on believing that.

    3. Re:Bad Idea. by Dyinobal · · Score: 1

      That might very well be true. The Russians in eve are serious and I know for a fact they have Russian Mafia ties.

    4. Re:Bad Idea. by JavaBear · · Score: 1

      Hack a corporation or the US Government, and you get thrown in jail for a short while. Mess with Emo Russian RMT'ers with delusions of grandeur, and they may not settle for just a prison...

    5. Re:Bad Idea. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah right. Because Russian nolife EVE mafia player is going to search for foreign hackers and then hunt them down...
      Don't watch so many american movies they rot your brain.

    6. Re:Bad Idea. by OS24Ever · · Score: 4, Informative

      Considering they once took it so seriously they were going to cut the power to the home of a pilot of a Titan ship in game to keep him from logging on, I don't think it's that far of a stretch to avoid pissing off some of the russian players.

      Not BS either, see: http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/65475/page/3

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    7. Re:Bad Idea. by drinking12many · · Score: 1

      ^^^^^ THIS Eve has more software developers, DBAs, Network security guys playing the game than any other I have ever played. Dont piss of EVE players, the WOW players call us geeks :)

    8. Re:Bad Idea. by Exitar · · Score: 1

      So when some Russian mob will knock at LulzSec door, "But we only did it for the lulz!" won't save their asses?

  6. If I wrote the news... by Scott+Lockwood · · Score: 5, Funny

    "IT departments everywhere noted huge gains in productivity today, as LulzSec announced it was taking Eve Online, offline. 'We don't know what happened exactly, but the whole tech crew start screaming about their crack being gone, and suddenly things started to get fixed. Oh - and they all even took showers.'"

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    1. Re:If I wrote the news... by rainmaestro · · Score: 1

      Well, _I_ didn't shower today. We're in the middle of a drought here, gotta do my part to conserve water. All you people taking showers are ruining the planet!

    2. Re:If I wrote the news... by idontgno · · Score: 1

      All you people taking showers are ruining the planet!

      Yeah. It's a damn shame that using water for personal hygiene actually destroys the elementary matter it's made of, in clear and inexplicable violation of the laws of Conservation of Mass.

      Unless, perhaps, your shower drains into some kind of mass-conversion energy system, in which case... why aren't you selling that sweet, sweet electricity to your local grid and solving the world's energy problems?

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    3. Re:If I wrote the news... by Tolkien · · Score: 1

      I'm 99.9% certain my boss rarely showers because when he sits next to me, I'm not kidding here, I have to move my chair (while keeping my feet firmly planted so that he doesn't get tempted to move over) lean waaaay over to the opposite side he's sitting on just to reduce the affects of his nasty stench. Think rotting vegetables and vomit and that's what I have to put up with. How he managed to get married and have kids is beyond my understanding. The only reason I'm still here is because the idea behind the project I'm working on is extremely cool for my resumé, I have trouble getting in at an early hour and he puts up with that. If people you sit near have the same reaction, please save yourself the humiliation and them their health. Shower! I imagine you were kidding anyway, but I still felt like ..venting, I guess would be the appropriate word.

    4. Re:If I wrote the news... by Tiger_Storms · · Score: 1

      hey now, I always take my showers before playing eve, as for the productivity part I couldn't agree with you more, off to APB

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    5. Re:If I wrote the news... by rainmaestro · · Score: 0

      I have the same reaction with the H-1B guys. The smell of curry is just nauseating for me. "No, no, I don't need to come look at it, just describe the problem over the phone..."

    6. Re:If I wrote the news... by horza · · Score: 1

      Bah, they should just switch to Vendetta Online instead.

      Phillip.

    7. Re:If I wrote the news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most of the time, people honestly don't realize there is even an issue, especially when it comes to smells. Our brains tend to filter out what we are accustomed to, after all.

      Talk to your HR department or his boss. This issue is a LOT more common than you think and it tends to be handled discreetly and resolved quickly. I would not advise bringing it up with him directly, though, unless your organization is very small and your relationship is closer to that of friends/coworkers than to boss-peon.

      People tend to dismiss scent as one of our weakest senses, but in reality it is one of our strongest. The human nose may not be as powerful as a dog's but believe it or not, it is plenty strong enough to track prey by scent with a small amount of training. Scent also pretty much defines taste and is strongly tied to memory. We use eyesight and hearing as sensory crutches in our modern world, but scent is the heavy lifting in the background that gives depth to our environment.

    8. Re:If I wrote the news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, also, consider that it may not simply be a matter of hygiene. Perhaps he has a glandular problem. Or perhaps his deoderant is not working properly and he does not realize it (some people have to try many deoderants to find one that works with their body). Or perhaps his diet involves some ingredients you are not accustomed to (many Americans encounter this one when working in close proximity with Indian and Middle Eastern natives).

      There's all sorts of scenarios where it is not his fault, though usually there is something he can do about it once it has been addressed. Of course, he really might just be a slob. I met one guy that smelled like a dumpster all the time, turned out he was a serious hoarder.

    9. Re:If I wrote the news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dear Tolkien,

      Would you go so far as to say he stinks like an orc?

  7. Given the EVE attitude... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm somewhat inclined to wonder if this is just part of some terrifyingly value-rational spreadsheet junkie's byzantine plan to manipulate the market in refined-fictionalonium futures or something of the sort...

    1. Re:Given the EVE attitude... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Also most eve players are just chuckling since another expansion is due to come out soon and the servers going up and down are expected behavior during deployment. It's a preview for all the newbies.

    2. Re:Given the EVE attitude... by Ephemeriis · · Score: 1

      I'm somewhat inclined to wonder if this is just part of some terrifyingly value-rational spreadsheet junkie's byzantine plan to manipulate the market in refined-fictionalonium futures or something of the sort...

      Honestly, that was my first thought as well.

      There's so much metagaming going on in EVE... I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out this was all some plot to gain in-game advantage.

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    3. Re:Given the EVE attitude... by JavaBear · · Score: 1

      Where is the "Like" button when you need it ? :)

    4. Re:Given the EVE attitude... by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Probably a Titan went offline during the DDoS and they are going to tackle him as soon as the game returns.

      Though anyone who loses a titan to anything less than a cap fleet is a moron...just log and ask alliance to secure the system for you...

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    5. Re:Given the EVE attitude... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Assuming you can get your alliance to log in *cough*NC*cough*

    6. Re:Given the EVE attitude... by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      That is the nice thing about being in a good alliance/corp. If I get into trouble, my corp has enough supercaps to get a damn good fight out of it. I know of 15 supercarriers and 3+ titans in my corp alone. Soon I will be getting my own Aeon, that should make life interesting.

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    7. Re:Given the EVE attitude... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Titans are dime a dozen now.

      There are hundreds of them.

  8. This is getting a tad rediculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ok anonymous can go die in a fire, Just because Dust 514 is PS3 exclusive doesn't mean they need attacking. What next, DDoS Blizzard because diablo 3 looks too much like WoW?

    1. Re:This is getting a tad rediculous by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      This is LulzNet, an Anonymous offshoot. They are apparently just barely more organised, plus you have to actually be invited to join. With Anonymous you just have to turn up and not bring any identification.

    2. Re:This is getting a tad rediculous by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      LulzSec, rather. My mistake. The rest stands.

  9. I doubt the Sony connection by JorDan+Clock · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It seems like LulzSec just targets anyone that will get them attention, not just those affiliated with Sony. As the members get caught, I'm very interested in seeing how their "we do it for the lulz" defense plays out in court.

    1. Re:I doubt the Sony connection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Looks like they also took down the minecraft login server, escapistmagazine's web server, and finfisher's web server

      Common thread here seems to be web servers. Consistent with the hypothesis (from another AC on /. yesterday) that it's an Apache 0day?

    2. Re:I doubt the Sony connection by JorDan+Clock · · Score: 1

      If it were a 0day, why would they DoS these websites instead of simply taking data like they did before?

    3. Re:I doubt the Sony connection by The+Moof · · Score: 2

      I think the guy who said "just being dicks for the sake of being dicks" got it right. I'm just waiting for them to piss in the wrong person's cereal and tick off someone smarter and better at this than they are. It'll be interesting to see how they handle someone throwing retribution back at them.

    4. Re:I doubt the Sony connection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they have hacked white hat hacker firms, and the us senate...If thats not pissing in the wrong persons cereal I don't know what is. Go Lulzsec, give us all more lulz.

    5. Re:I doubt the Sony connection by hedwards · · Score: 1

      There was some question about that, but with the last couple attacks, it's getting really hard to buy that this is about anything other than lulz. I suppose there could be something that's not obvious to me here, but I can't fathom what it would be that would make this all make sense in that light. Just strikes me as pretty implausible at this point that it's not just black hat stuff.

    6. Re:I doubt the Sony connection by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      If attention is the goal, EvE is the wrong target. Attack EvE and it will go to /. Attack WoW and it will make national news.

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    7. Re:I doubt the Sony connection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      like the U.S. Senate?

    8. Re:I doubt the Sony connection by not-my-real-name · · Score: 1

      Maybe someone like, say, Justin Bieber could announce that he's a member of LulzSec.

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  10. And more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Also Minecraft & www.finfisher.com

    1. Re:And more by easyTree · · Score: 1

      Also, LulzSec ate my dog :-(

  11. They are going to... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Ruin it for everybody, this is the kind of shit power mongering senators die for.

  12. Nothing to do with Sony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    This has to do with their Twitter feed. They were asking people for suggestions on who to aim for. Someone called in and must have requested Eve online. They stated they intended to take down the login server, but it also accidentally took down the webserver.

    Here's their offer: http://twitter.com/#!/LulzSec/status/80675710246723584
    Here's their following post with the result: http://twitter.com/#!/LulzSec/status/80681360292978688

    Looks like they also took down the minecraft login server, escapistmagazine's web server, and finfisher's web server (some IS company?). They're calling it TitanicTakeoverTuesday.

    1. Re:Nothing to do with Sony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good job no-one has suggested Slashdot yet!

    2. Re:Nothing to do with Sony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They also took down white-wolf.com (and all their affiliated sites). They're the makers of Vampire the Masquerade (and other less well known games). They're now in CCP's website network, since they're now owned by CCP.

    3. Re:Nothing to do with Sony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why didn't someone request Facebook? Does lulz not have the skillz?

    4. Re:Nothing to do with Sony by Shoe+Puppet · · Score: 1

      Because they know they'd get slashdotted as soon as Slashdot is up again.

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    5. Re:Nothing to do with Sony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Makes me wish I had a Twitter account. Wouldn't mind suggesting Lodsys to see internal e-mails involving patents and iPhone/Android devs.

  13. The real news by zero0ne · · Score: 1

    Is that Dust514 is going to be PS3 exclusive!

    I mean WTF? lets be honest here, 360 has the better online community, and after the month long PS3 network downtime, they still want to make this game exclusive with Sony?

    I was seriously thinking of picking up this game, but if its PS3 only, there is no chance regardless of how "amazing" the game is.

    1. Re:The real news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No

    2. Re:The real news by Gaspo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Nothing to do with quality of PSN vs Xbox Live community. CCP has flat-out stated that they couldn't do it on Xbox because microsoft's networking policies wouldn't have allowed the game to work they way they needed it to to properly interact with EVE.

    3. Re:The real news by Dyinobal · · Score: 1

      Yep and they wouldn't of been able to do the free updates they are planning to do. Which sort of defeats the purpose of a console based mmo shooter.

    4. Re:The real news by zero0ne · · Score: 1

      Have a link to back that up? I have not seen a single source that was direct from CCP mentioning that information.

    5. Re:The real news by agrisea · · Score: 1

      I don't speak for CPP obviously, but would presume you are not aware:
      #1) Dust514 is not exactly new news, EvE players have known about it for about a year. The actual EvE client is being updated to allow the PC to gaming console interaction but that takes time.

      #2) Is it easy to port a game written for one gaming platform to another? PS3 was selected at the time because it was the most popular out there and now a couple of years later, it isn't. Do you throw away all that work to code for Xbox or any other game console? I recall when even Xbox was having serious problems so no one is immune.

      #3) Isn't a PS4 coming out or is that another vaporware product?

      Twenty years ago, hackers were caught, prosecuted, and tossed in a hole for a long 'time out' - What has changed?

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    6. Re:The real news by Dyinobal · · Score: 1

      Here you go, there is a more complete article some where but I don't have the link to it at hand. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-06-09-will-ps3-exclusive-dust-514-head-to-xbox

    7. Re:The real news by Talderas · · Score: 1

      It wasn't just that. It was also that Sony was willing to relax their policies and negotiate with CCP.

      Neither vanilla Live or vanilla PSN was suitable for CCP to run Dust 514.

      And since MS doesn't allow Live players on the 360 to interact with network players from the PC or PS3 going with 360 would pretty much nix any future of CCP releasing a PC version of Dust 514.

      PS3 was the only platform to launch it on because of MS's stubbornness. I also doubt they will add PC for Dust 514 anyway. There exists the risk of losing EVE players to Dust 514 and with the collective play inherent between the two games they will be wanting to ADD players not shift them from one game to another.

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    8. Re:The real news by JavaBear · · Score: 1

      Spoken like a true 360 fanboy.

    9. Re:The real news by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      I don't read the dev blog or anything like that, but others in corp who do stated the same thing. It must have been some kind of announcement recently.

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    10. Re:The real news by zero0ne · · Score: 1

      PS3 was never really picked years ago... it was always discussed with both consoles in mind, of course if they needed a custom setup, its more obvious that PS3 would have been chosen over 360.

      I think we also all know that there is no chance they would release on PC as well as a console... If they did, all the contracts would be going to PC players and not console players... Only the top 5% - 10% of console players would even have a chance.

      TY for the link dyinobal.

    11. Re:The real news by zero0ne · · Score: 1

      I don't recall any instances of Xbox Live ever being down for weeks + losing lots of customer information.

    12. Re:The real news by blackdragon07 · · Score: 1

      you do realize that Microsoft had a game that crossed from 360 to PC right?? It was called Shadowrun if memory serves correct...i dont not think that they wont do it its more the fact they didn't get what they wanted from CCP.

    13. Re:The real news by JonJ · · Score: 1

      PS3 was selected at the time because it was the most popular out there and now a couple of years later, it isn't.

      The PS3 has never been the most popular, so that argument is fucking stupid.

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    14. Re:The real news by PhrstBrn · · Score: 1

      They could release a PC version of the game, however, they would need to segment those players somehow for balancing purposes.

      Instead of having just one planetary battle, have two or more, one (or more) being console vs console, and another one (or more) being PC vs PC. I don't see why this wouldn't work, planets are huge, there could be multiple planetary battles going on at the same time. Instead of one battle deciding the outcome, multiple planetary battles simultaneously decide the outcome, maybe having several stages after each round of win/losses. Doing something like this, you will need contracts in both PC and console version to succeed.

      You can still have your console + PC game, still be in one universe, but not have to deal with balancing FPS for console vs PC.

    15. Re:The real news by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      Beat me to it. I have the game sitting on my shelf. It sucked but i COULD play with Vista users, all 7 of them.

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    16. Re:The real news by Gripp · · Score: 1

      yeah there have a number of tears shed on the eve forums over this decision since they announced it for those very reasons. even an amount of heated/retarded debate as to whether the connection of the two networks would open the servers to security risks....

    17. Re:The real news by Talderas · · Score: 1

      Which was a first person shooter thus being one of the most monumentally stupid games to champion the Live crossplay between 360 and PC.

      The game was also purposefully written with locks to prevent it from working on XP, which were later hacked out and the game did indeed run just fine on XP.

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    18. Re:The real news by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      It was a "Windows Live" game, not a general PC title. Also was developed by Microsoft, so it's not a great case. Microsoft simply won't allow a cross-network game if part of that network involves PSN customers. At least, that's their current policy.

      It's almost a law that the current console market leader is going to be really dickish toward developers. Nintendo was during it's early heyday, and so was Sony (you'd be amazed at the change of attitude when developing a PS2 vs a PSP title). MS is currently the clear leader in online offerings, so they've got a nice "you're going to play by our rules" attitude right now.

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    19. Re:The real news by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      "Is it easy to port a game written for one gaming platform to another?"

      Generally, no, with one exception: XBox or 360 to PC. The XBox and it's successor use the DirectX API for games, just the same as on Windows, which makes porting much easier. This is by design - Microsoft knew it'd make the XBox more attractive to developers if they were able to easily sell the game game to both console and PC gamer markets without having to do extensive porting.

      The PS3 is notoriously difficult to port, due to it's unusual Cell processor. PS2 was easier.

    20. Re:The real news by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      Sony has a better online network for actually making games on.

      Hint: I can play Portal 2 on my PS3 vs people on Steam on PC or PS3. PSN allows for a more open online experience than does XBL.

      Criterion Games said the same thing when they made Burnout Paradise. Same comment about the PS3's openness from Unreal Tournament 3 and its ability to allow PC-made mods on the PS3 version of the game.

      Feel free to sit in your XBL chats and feel superior but the PSN actually offers devs more flexibility.

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    21. Re:The real news by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      I don't recall instances of Sony randomly banning users for posting good scores.

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    22. Re:The real news by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Huh? How would that keep CCP from releasing a PC version of it? Because Live doesn't allow it? How about telling Live "up yours", which is IMO not a bad idea on a general principle.

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    23. Re:The real news by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Oh? Why not? I've been told so many times by fanatical console FPS players that it's so much easier and intuitive, and this could be a great opportunity to put the money where the mouth has been in all those years.

      But snide comments aside, I kinda predict the shooter to be a big source of griefing. Why? Because EvE players will get the game, join the opposing team and try to lose deliberately (since losing is arguably easier than winning) to get an edge in EvE. Let's see how CCP plans to counter that.

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    24. Re:The real news by Zancarius · · Score: 1

      Oh? Why not? I've been told so many times by fanatical console FPS players that it's so much easier and intuitive

      You know, I've never figured out how they can say that. I've never been able to hit the broad side of a barn with those stupid thumbsticks. Unless they're using something like this...

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    25. Re:The real news by Martin+S. · · Score: 1

      It was Microsoft that turned down Dust514,

      CCP say it was because Microsoft would not let them link Dust to the persistent universe of EVE.

      Conspiracy theorist say that is is because a persistent universe makes Dust a Halo killer.

    26. Re:The real news by WuphonsReach · · Score: 1

      But snide comments aside, I kinda predict the shooter to be a big source of griefing. Why? Because EvE players will get the game, join the opposing team and try to lose deliberately (since losing is arguably easier than winning) to get an edge in EvE. Let's see how CCP plans to counter that.

      That assumes that you can pick where you're fighting and what team you're on. Get enough simultaneous games running, or run them on a time delay to make it harder to guess, and it's a lot more difficult to sabotage a particular match.

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    27. Re:The real news by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      That's a flat out lie. Square Enix somehow manages to make the Final Fantasy XI and Final Fantasy XIV MMOs work cross-platform - Microsoft's "network policies" most assuredly do not prevent you from creating a cross platform MMO.

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    28. Re:The real news by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      (Correction, FFXIV isn't available. But FFXI is).

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    29. Re:The real news by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      If by "good" you mean "impossible".

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    30. Re:The real news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-9840766-56.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1082_3-0

      Yes, it happens even for Xbox Live. Losing customer information happens too, just not on the same scale.

    31. Re:The real news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't recall any instances of Microsoft doing it either.

      You should have mentioned the incident about the guy with "gay" in his name; that one actually happened.

    32. Re:The real news by kirbysuperstar · · Score: 1

      Even the PS2 was a pain in the ass, the Emotion Engine was an odd beast.

    33. Re:The real news by Rennt · · Score: 1

      Let's see how CCP plans to counter that.

      Counter it? Dude, CCP love that shit. They made a video advertisement based on that exact scenario.

      If you are not constantly paranoid of betrayal by your corp mates CCP would be VERY disappointed.

    34. Re:The real news by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      You really think that's worth banning someone from a paid online community?

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    35. Re:The real news by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      And that's why I stopped playing EvE. I do that shit all day at work. When I come home, I want to know who's on my side.

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    36. Re:The real news by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      If they're cheating, yes. It ruins the gaming experience for everyone (remember, the score of a player is also tied to their rank, which directly affects the matchmaking system).

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    37. Re:The real news by nosferatu1001 · · Score: 1

      Yes, it is.

      It ruins the achievements (which is wht they mostly ban people over) as a means of comparing ability.

  14. Its random by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can call their number and request targets.

  15. Keep going, LulzSec by The+Bringer · · Score: 1

    At the rate these guys are going, they are going to be the catalyst for some major changes in law around the world. They've hit some pretty high profile targets that appeal to a wide variety of people. Just wait until the mainstream media (sic: Fox) has their usual "When Hackers Attack..." type of special and that will be the precursor.

    1. Re:Keep going, LulzSec by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please don't use imported Latin unless you know how to do so properly. It just makes you look doubly stupid.

    2. Re:Keep going, LulzSec by Dachannien · · Score: 1

      They already reported on the Senate hack, and failed to report that "lulz" is about schadenfreude rather than laughing out loud.

    3. Re:Keep going, LulzSec by jonbryce · · Score: 1

      Certainly in the UK, no change in the law is required. They can already be jailed under the Computer Misuse Act.

    4. Re:Keep going, LulzSec by Dachannien · · Score: 1

      Er... sorry, actually that was an AP wire report that Fox put on their website.

    5. Re:Keep going, LulzSec by halivar · · Score: 2

      "Just wait until the mainstream media (sic[sic]: Fox)"

    6. Re:Keep going, LulzSec by Millennium · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is important. People poke fun at that one report that referred to lulz as "a corruption of LOL," but it really is, both in the linguistic sense and a wider philosophical one. It's not just about having fun, but specifically having fun at someone else's expense. Or, in a word, bullying.

      Actually, now that I think about it, I'm going to have to stop using the term. A shame, that, because it really is fun to say.

    7. Re:Keep going, LulzSec by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Lulz doesn't mean bullying, it means schadenfreude (sp?). Nothing wrong with using it in the correct context.

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    8. Re:Keep going, LulzSec by Daetrin · · Score: 1

      Is there something wrong with Lolz? My impression at least was that "doing it for the lolz" is doing it for fun, while "doing it for the lulz" was doing it for fun at someone else's expense.

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    9. Re:Keep going, LulzSec by jeff4747 · · Score: 1

      You don't do something to cause schadenfreude. Schadenfreude is what you feel when someone else causes the suffering. When you are causing the suffering, it's bullying.

      And (sp?) seriously? Google's right there. Don't be lazy and check your own damn spelling.

    10. Re:Keep going, LulzSec by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't do something to cause schadenfreude. Schadenfreude is what you feel when someone else causes the suffering. When you are causing the suffering, it's bullying.

      Citation needed. Webster doesn't give any such distinction. Neither does Wikipedia; in fact the "See also" section lists bullying, cyber-bullying, and sadism.

    11. Re:Keep going, LulzSec by V+for+Vendetta · · Score: 1

      Disclaimer: Native German speaker here.

      Schadenfreude is if something bad happens to someone else, be it a simple mistake like dropping his glass of beer or something more serious which might even hurt him, but for some reason you can't resist and giggle and think it's funny nonetheless.

      Often this is accompanied by some kind of "He deserved it" feeling.

      Simply put: enjoying someone's else misery in a humorous way is Schadenfreude. That's at least how that term is used in Germany, where it stems from.

    12. Re:Keep going, LulzSec by Xacid · · Score: 1

      Which...is pretty much the same thing.

  16. Escapist and Minecraft also targeted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Escapist is also currently down, as is minecraft's multiplayer :(

  17. A theory... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're targeting Slashdot readers. First the p0rn site and now this!

  18. Sony? by nremorse · · Score: 0

    It has nothing to do with Sony. They set up a phone line that you can call to suggest DoS targets and EVE Online was targeted.

    1. Re:Sony? by nremorse · · Score: 0
  19. At this point by unity100 · · Score: 1

    im afraid of opening the door to my loo, and finding lulzsec inside.

    they seem to be a quite energetic group of hacktivists.

  20. A possible reason... by Hatta · · Score: 1

    Maybe they're just doing it for the lulz?

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    1. Re:A possible reason... by MaDeR · · Score: 1

      No shit, sherlock.

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  21. Then do equal opportunity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they were attacking CCP for association, then they may as well go after MS as well since they had been part of the plan for Dust's launch, but backed out near completion for "unkown" reasons. Seriously. Trolls be trollin mah games.

  22. What.the.fuck. by man_ls · · Score: 1

    This needs to stop. I can't wait for long prison sentences for all of the people involved in this. It's like Anonymous tried to figure out how they could be even more evil, by exposing unsuspecting randoms to identity theft risk "because they can." It's no longer making a statement, it's the online equivalent of a gang of punks going around smashing in car windows and robbing old ladies of their social security when they leave the ATM.

    Only one thing will come of all this, and honestly I'm damn near the point of embracing it instead of fighting it: severe restrictions on Internet freedom and intense monitoring and logging by ISPs and the Government. I want my game servers to be up, I want my credit card information not to be stolen, and if I look at pornography I want that fact to be between me and my hand and not posted to a web site. The Internet should be a place of freedom, but this isn't freedom, it's anarchy and if the choices are between a regulated Internet relatively free of this kind of malicious disruption of innocent bystanders or the "Wild West" over a fiber optic link, I'm just going to have to take the former.

    1. Re:What.the.fuck. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Very good citizen,
      You have passed the loyalty test.

    2. Re:What.the.fuck. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      yes because that will teach them. No it wont. They hack that system, while consumers have to suffer at your stricter laws and regulations. It's like adding more laws to guns. Criminals still get guns. You make me sick. If you're that scared then get offline, but don't try to hurt others because you're pooping your pants.

    3. Re:What.the.fuck. by citizenr · · Score: 1

      This needs to stop. I can't wait for long prison sentences for all of the people involved in this.

      Yes, they are terrible, you cant play fav game or check out some website. The world is ending

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    4. Re:What.the.fuck. by DahGhostfacedFiddlah · · Score: 1

      Yeah - let's put a blindfold on and ignore all of the security problems. It's a good thing that being ignorant that your credit card is stolen is exactly the same as being safe.

      The fact that these attacks are so high-profile is a good thing. A great thing, even. For the past two decades, security has been ignored from the smallest ISP to the federal gov't. It's about time there were some high-profile (and relatively low-impact) attacks to bring attention to just how badly security is being managed.

      Computer security needs a top-to-bottom rethink, and the only way we're going to get the cultural momentum required to get that done is through attacks like these.

      Just be glad it's happening now, and not in 10 years, when most homes and cars will be networked.

    5. Re:What.the.fuck. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      “Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.”

    6. Re:What.the.fuck. by smelch · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Perhaps we should show the security flaws in real life system. Guess what? Nothing is secure. If LulzSec were serial killers would it still be the same for you? Proving how insecure our frail human necks are? Has it ever occured to you that the only thing that keeps society running is the threat of retribution and our years of weeding out sociopathic behavior? The reason you aren't murdered for every interaction you've ever had is not because you were secure. This is bullshit, anti-social, watching-the-world-burn asshattery.

      Did you know Goldman Sachs was just demonstrating the insecurity of the American financial system? Get your head out of your ass and look around at the world. You are at the mercy of everybody, and the only way to stop this kind of behavior is through social pressure which will come in the form of being able to identify internet users. Get ready to talk about the good old days when you didn't get raped at an airport and the government didn't ID you before you could log in to the internet. And what were you saying at the time? "Good! I'm glad people are assholes and we can't trust each other. It just shows how much we can't trust each other."

      It was inevitable but don't fool yourself in to thinking it is a good thing.

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    7. Re:What.the.fuck. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only one thing will come of all this, and honestly I'm damn near the point of embracing it instead of fighting it: severe restrictions on Internet freedom and intense monitoring and logging by ISPs and the Government. I want my game servers to be up, I want my credit card information not to be stolen, and if I look at pornography I want that fact to be between me and my hand and not posted to a web site.

      Pick one.

    8. Re:What.the.fuck. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety"

    9. Re:What.the.fuck. by easyTree · · Score: 1

      Indeed. False flag operation n marked a success.

    10. Re:What.the.fuck. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was always an online equivalent of a gang of punks. You just didn't care until they started smashing YOUR windows.

    11. Re:What.the.fuck. by man_ls · · Score: 1

      Just replying to myself here with some statistics for anyone else who is interested:

      11 replies
      9 of them with no content to speak of
      6 of those with ad-hom attacks
      1 dissenting reasoned argument (to which I concur, nobody is saying IT security isn't important)
      1 in support of my position (antisocial behavior is and should be unacceptable no matter where it happens)

      This is about what I expected, but it's disheartening to see so many knee-jerk reactions in favor of malice, theft and schadenfreude. Surely we can think of a way to raise awareness of security, without the extra make-someone's-life-miserable that these Anonymous-affiliated hacker groups seem to favor?

    12. Re:What.the.fuck. by man_ls · · Score: 1

      The pre-"malicious criminal gangs running rampant on the Internet without fear or shame" era, the one we were in until a few weeks ago, was the one where porn was between me and my hand. It didn't take the Government to take away that privacy, it was a group of hackers seeking thrill in epicaricacy. The choice has been made for me, but I didn't even get to write an ineffective letter to my representative for this one.

      Just because I'm not actually impacted by any of these break-ins or disclosures or anything else they've done, doesn't mean I shouldn't be outraged by it.

    13. Re:What.the.fuck. by man_ls · · Score: 1

      Are gangs of punks something we're supposed to regard with admiration and esteem?

    14. Re:What.the.fuck. by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      you counted the types of replies you got........

      wow.... anyways in a few years you will discover girls and not freak out so much when you can't get on EVE

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    15. Re:What.the.fuck. by man_ls · · Score: 1

      Is that why I got a lot of negative replies? I don't actually play any online games, nor do I subscribe to pornography. Does that mean I can't have an opinion about those things?

    16. Re:What.the.fuck. by man_ls · · Score: 1

      Oh, and that's 7 ad-homs. Yours is one of the most direct, though. I was really hoping to have some debate about this topic, but it appears most everyone on here is either Machiavellian to an extreme or doesn't mind antisocial behavior.

    17. Re:What.the.fuck. by m50d · · Score: 1

      Perhaps we should show the security flaws in real life system. Guess what? Nothing is secure. If LulzSec were serial killers would it still be the same for you? Proving how insecure our frail human necks are?

      They wouldn't be able to kill many people, which is rather the point.

      The reason you aren't murdered for every interaction you've ever had is not because you were secure. This is bullshit, anti-social, watching-the-world-burn asshattery.

      Whatever the intent, the effects of what they're doing are quite plausibly positive. A publicly visible breach like this will do a lot less damage (both to the users and their credit card companies) than a stealthy breach by profit-driven criminals; if it prevents the latter, it's ultimately more than worth it.

      You are at the mercy of everybody, and the only way to stop this kind of behavior is through social pressure which will come in the form of being able to identify internet users.

      No. The internet's anonymity is its greatest asset; the correct answer is to require identification for access. Passwords are broken as a means of doing this, but it can be done.

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    18. Re:What.the.fuck. by Hobart · · Score: 1

      > If LulzSec were serial killers would it still be the same for you?
      > Proving how insecure our frail human necks are?

      If you could restore your neck from backup, and configure it properly afterwards, sure, why not?

      Relevant: "You wouldn't download a car" http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/4641/youwouldntdlacar.jpg

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    19. Re:What.the.fuck. by sznupi · · Score: 1
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    20. Re:What.the.fuck. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you over the sound of your vagina weeping.

    21. Re:What.the.fuck. by DahGhostfacedFiddlah · · Score: 1

      It was inevitable but don't fool yourself in to thinking it is a good thing.

      Taken on its own, it's not a good thing, but I'm really hoping good things come of it.

      Computer/network security is not an impossibility. LulzSec isn't cracking network security through social engineering or any other non-technical means. They're getting in through configuration issues and software bugs. This is what has to change.

      If the world continues to treat security as it always has, the next hack won't take down Eve Online, it will take down the power grid, or cause half the cars on the road to disable the airbags and lose the brakes.

  23. The motive is LULZ by hendrix2k · · Score: 1

    Looking at all of their previous tweets, they're clearly just going after any requests with their sizable DoS "cannon". Anyone hoping for righteous motivation or justifiable attacks is going to be sorely disappointed.

    1. Re:The motive is LULZ by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Personally, I think it's a bad idea. What keeps someone with an agenda (like, say, pushing stricter laws) from choosing targets that cause support for LulzSec to wane and cause demands for "swift action", especially from people who originally thought their actions were justified or at least acceptable?

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  24. Just Waiting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Until /. redirects to the lulzsec Releases page.

  25. EVE's biggest DDoD... by novalogic · · Score: 1

    ...Since Goonfleet swarmed noob ships into Delve!

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    1. Re:EVE's biggest DDoD... by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Nice. I miss BoB, and they would still be around if Goons didn't get help from NC and Test (though test is a postion of former Goons)

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    2. Re:EVE's biggest DDoD... by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      (though test is a postion of former Goons)

      I blame spellcheck...was supposed to be portion, not position...

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  26. "Anonymous Rejects"?!? wow... by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 2

    What's that like, getting thrown out of your local community college for poor grades?

  27. LulzSec by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone else think the name LulzSec implies that they play EveOnline? I mean, NullSec was the first thing I thought of when I saw their name. I don't know any other words that sound like that.

    1. Re:LulzSec by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      IIRC the name comes from Lulz + Security.

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  28. Re:Too funny... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, I actually don't waste my life playing a boring game filled with griefers. If I want a real hardcore game I'll find a UO shard.

  29. After a shitty day by gatkinso · · Score: 5, Funny

    of writing shitty code... for a shitty company... surrounded by shitty coworkers... who think I am just as shitty as they are (haha bitches you are wrong I am NOT as shitty!).... and getting in a shitty traffic jam....

    I just want to go home, take a shit, wipe, and play a dumb space game (that eerily reminds me of Microsoft Excel in some ways) and unwind.

    Is that so much to ask? But no, the cocks have to be themselves.

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    1. Re:After a shitty day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're looking to avoid people being cocks, you're playing the wrong game.

    2. Re:After a shitty day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone really didn't want to lose a POS (Player Operated Structure) would be my guess.

    3. Re:After a shitty day by forsey · · Score: 1

      I 100% agree. Slashdot was my second choice for after work entertainment :( It was nice enough to tell my why my first choice didn't work.

    4. Re:After a shitty day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My thoughts exactly. If it isn't up by the time I get home... well, I don't even have any beer.

    5. Re:After a shitty day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      then shit or get off the pot already

    6. Re:After a shitty day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone loves Anonymous and LulzSec...until they target someone we like.

    7. Re:After a shitty day by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      Don't cook for yourself tonight. Go to City Wok.

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    8. Re:After a shitty day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone loves Anonymous and LulzSec...until they target someone we like.

      I knew hating everything would eventually pay off.

    9. Re:After a shitty day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      After a shitty day of writing shitty code... for a shitty company... surrounded by shitty coworkers... who think I am just as shitty as they are (haha bitches you are wrong I am NOT as shitty!).... and getting in a shitty traffic jam....

      I just want to go home, take a shit, wipe, and cause an inconvience to millions of other people. Misery loves company. It's a giant FUCK YOU to the world before i have to be back at my shitty job tomorrow dealing with the same shitty people until the end of time.

      Perspective...

    10. Re:After a shitty day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the kocks will be counter cocked, if someone pisses off the community again and again - it will be their own people selling them out one day.

      sold for a lulz

  30. Don't shoot the messenger by biodata · · Score: 1

    It seems that what is being demonstrated is that computer systems are not secure. There is a large computer security theatre industry which is taking many millions of taxpayers' money out of economies all around the world by selling a comfortable illusion of security. It's time to put up or shut up. If we want to spend taxpayers money on security then we should be giving it to someone other than the current recipients, perhaps to people who actually understand security, such as those currently demonstrating its general lack. Or maybe we should just get over it and remember that email is a postcard and that the internet's main purpose is to spread information, not hide it.

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    1. Re:Don't shoot the messenger by Dachannien · · Score: 1

      DDoS doesn't reveal insecurity in computer systems, and apparently that's all they're doing to EVE and Minecraft.

    2. Re:Don't shoot the messenger by ron_ivi · · Score: 1

      For some of their previous attacks - like exposing when companies left their users passwords relatively unprotected - I might agree.

      A DDOS is pretty lame, though, since anyone with large resources can DOS sites targeting small audiences just by exceeding their server capacity.

    3. Re:Don't shoot the messenger by biodata · · Score: 1

      I guess, unless you consider vulnerability to availability challenge as part of your security.

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    4. Re:Don't shoot the messenger by jeff4747 · · Score: 1

      It seems that what is being demonstrated is that computer systems are not secure.

      DDoS has nothing to do with secure sites. Overloading a server with bogus requests doesn't break into the server.

      If we want to spend taxpayers money on security then we should be giving it to someone other than the current recipients, perhaps to people who actually understand security

      You seem to have disqualified yourself.

    5. Re:Don't shoot the messenger by citizenr · · Score: 1

      A DDOS is pretty lame, though, since anyone with large resources can DOS sites targeting small audiences just by exceeding their server capacity.

      Lame and easy since CCP uses one M$ SQL server for website/forums AND the game itself.

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    6. Re:Don't shoot the messenger by aesiamun · · Score: 1

      They are not the messenger. They are actively services to prove their point. A messenger would just relay a message.

      Go after the security firms if you want to prove a point, not their customers.

    7. Re:Don't shoot the messenger by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Actually, availability is one part of the holy trinity of security, and that part is broken in a successful DDoS.

      There's precious little you can do to avoid it, though. Either accept the risk (and suffer the consequences) or spend so much money on making sure it will not be successful that you may as well close your doors, which also doesn't help availability.

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    8. Re:Don't shoot the messenger by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      Oh, "M$". How original.

      Actually, EVE runs under incredibly heavy load most of the time, and tolerates surprisingly well considering. The fact that it takes a DDoS to cause it to collapse, and that it doesn't do it randomly "just because it's one MSSQL Server" is proof you're talking out your ass.

      Basically, take your bullshit FUD and shove it.

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    9. Re:Don't shoot the messenger by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DDoS has nothing to do with secure sites. Overloading a server with bogus requests doesn't break into the server.

      You might think not, but sometimes the bleeding garbage it manages to puke back when it's under heavy attack can reveal things that could be useful to attackers in order to actually break into the server. Error messages, path names and filenames, specific configuration settings, etc.

  31. Boobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think all of these recent hacker attacks are just visible fragments of a very angry hacker community. The boiling point was perhaps Sony's lawsuit against George Hotz, but this must have roots way back. I dare suggest it has something to do with the image hackers have received from the media and public over the years. They are "mysterious criminals", "terrorizing cyberspace" and "make sure you buy Norton AntiVirus 2003 for ultimate protection before evil hackers steal your credit cards" - all the while endorsing Windows as the platform to run it on...

    1. Re:Boobs by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 2

      Perhaps, but almost certainly these are simply foolish youths with poor impulse control and a lack of sound judgement. They are the "me too" effect coming off of Anonymous victories and publicity. They view things as but merely another video game and do not recognize the consequences of their actions.

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    2. Re:Boobs by westlake · · Score: 1

      The boiling point was perhaps Sony's lawsuit against George Hotz, but this must have roots way back. I dare suggest it has something to do with the image hackers have received from the media and public over the years.

      If you think the hacker community is angry, you ought to hear others are saying about the hacker --- "going for the Lutz " is going to make things a lot worse before they get better.

  32. Who are these people in bed with? by d.the.duck · · Score: 1

    Seriously? Are they paid by Micro$oft to do this? Asshats.

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    1. Re:Who are these people in bed with? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, them and, the reptilians and Illuminati.
      Wait, aren't them the same people?

    2. Re:Who are these people in bed with? by d.the.duck · · Score: 1

      No, Illuminati is too keen for Micro$oft. Maybe Cybermen.

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  33. Dangerous by QuoteMstr · · Score: 1

    These attacks by LulzSec, Anonymous, et. al. remind me of the old Twilight Zone episode "It's a Good Life". In that episode, a child with godlike mental powers causes untold misery when, without understanding, he compels the residents of a small Ohio town to conform to his whim. Likewise, these hacktivist groups wield previously-unknown power, and they use to capriciously destroy whatever offends their ego, whimsy, or underdeveloped sense of justice. In the process, they not only hurt innocent bystanders not only undermine the legitimacy of their cause, but actually encourage more stringent regulation of the Internet. Like a character from a Sophocles play, they hasten the outcome they would fight.

    They are legion. They do not forgive. They do not forget. They do not plan. They do not show restraint. They do not not choose their battles. They do not help.

    1. Re:Dangerous by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They are legion. They do not forgive. They do not forget. They do not plan. They do not show restraint. They do not not choose their battles. They do not help.

      They are juveniles. They are irresponsible. They have social issues. They are only brave because they are anonymous. They would sob like a girl if they actually got caught and put in prison.

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    2. Re:Dangerous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are legion. They do not forgive. They do not forget. They do not plan. They do not show restraint. They do not not choose their battles. They do not help.

      They are juveniles. They are irresponsible. They have social issues. They are only brave because they are anonymous. They would sob like a girl if they actually got caught and put in prison.

      I'd love to be a fly on the wall when these Lulzsec hotshot hackers find out what their cellmate Bubba does for lulz.

    3. Re:Dangerous by yahwotqa · · Score: 1

      When did you discover you have these erotic fantasies?

  34. lulzsec plz don't touch wow servers, i have a RAID by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I beg u not to touch World of WarCraft!

  35. Youthful Foolishness by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

    LulzSec is destroying any benefit that groups like Anonymous might provide. I could get behind, or at least understand acts done in the name of social justice. Fighting despotic regimes, exposing fraud, supporting the little guys' struggle against the corporations, etc.. But a bunch of "me too" juveniles on a power trip indiscriminately attacking for the sake of amusement is dishonorable and destroying any support the public, even governments might have had for Anonymous type groups. No one in a position to take measures against these actors will bother making a distinctions, no one is going to wink and nod at the "good guys" now. Everyone, regardless of affiliation or motivation is going to be lumped into same bag and treated at public enemy #1. Worse, government are going to make rash decisions, put together poorly considered legislation that will adversely affect innocents.

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    1. Re:Youthful Foolishness by horza · · Score: 1

      It will be interesting to see the "Eve Online Protection Legislation". You are a bit like those that say RMS is destroying Linux, because his extremist views are off-putting to the business community. Well whether you agree with him or not you can't shut him up. You might scream that these kids hacking high-profile web sites are ruining the good work of Anonymous, but they are NOT Anonymous and nobody has any control over them.

      Stop running scared. LulzSec will probably trip up at some point, and they will have had their fun and will face their punishment. In the mean time the government aren't going to be rounding up IT people, bar-coding them, and sending them to the gas chambers. Despite popular conception, there is a good chance that there are people in law enforcement intelligent enough to chase the actual law-breakers and bring them to justice. So quit the hysteria.

      Phillip.

  36. Awareness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This DoS aside, and considering that this kind of things from lulzsec is ridiculous per se, I think that they are giving to the Average Joe somewhat of a good lesson.
    I mean, if they keep targeting widespread services and brands (like sony), the unsavvy will understand that "the cloud", sony, facebook etc are not safe places to store your information and that internet is dangerous like Ciudad Juarez when a big drug deal goes wrong.
    On the other hand I hope that stuff like this will keep pressure on big corps in increasing the security on ours informations (oohh, look! flying pigs out of the window!).

    By the way keep in mind that the real dangerous people are not lulzsec. They are telling everyone what they are doing (at least something).
    The dangerous people are the ones that you don't know nothing about. The ones that steal your personal informations from big corp's site and use that info for their interests and you don't know!

  37. How many entities do these guys have to hack? by ctrimm · · Score: 1

    How many entities do these guys have to hack until people start to realize that they don't have a goal? They're hacking what they feel like hacking when they feel like hacking it. They hack companies they like, they hack companies they don't like, and they hack government servers. They're in it for the lulz (like they say) and nothing more. That's why they take requests, go "oh, that sounds fun" and then hack the shit out of something.

    They are not hacktivists. They don't care about "good" and "evil". They just want to have fun. And they are.

    1. Re:How many entities do these guys have to hack? by agrisea · · Score: 1

      In your mind, when does their fun cross a line? When someone dies because LulzSec decided to take down an electrical grid?

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    2. Re:How many entities do these guys have to hack? by ctrimm · · Score: 1

      I wasn't agreeing or disagreeing with what they're doing, just pointing out that there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason behind the attacks other than that they think it's fun.

    3. Re:How many entities do these guys have to hack? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They could be a covert government operation aiming to piss off enough people to let them regulate the internets.

    4. Re:How many entities do these guys have to hack? by ctrimm · · Score: 1

      I suppose it could be, but I think the backfire potential and the severity (which is pretty low, really) of the hacks points to some kids having fun and trolling the "big guys" more than it does a government op to drive legislation.

      I mean, if you really want to put the tinfoil hat on, just look at 9/11.

  38. I'm at the edge of my seat.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Waiting to see what legislative side-effects Lulzsec's actions are going to have in the long term. I suspect the ending won't be happy, and I'm not talking about Lulzsec (because frankly who cares about them), but the wider internet. Meaning, will they be declared "a new kind of cyber-terrorists" and will we get new laws to regulate the internet? Really, internet regulation seems to be a US government goal of itself these days, and this is just how the US government rolls these days.

    Tinfoil hat on, I don't buy that these guys are Anonymous rejects. I suspect they are the US's "cyberwar" unit who were created for no real reason and had nothing to do, so perhaps they decided to make something up to keep their funding... or, adding an extra tinfoil antenna, the orders came from higher up, for internet regulation purposes like I said above.

    Fuck this shit.

  39. KGB treatment by m0s3m8n · · Score: 1, Insightful

    These guys need a little KGB treatment like the kidnappers of Russians got in Lebanon in the 1980's. Find a few bodies with their genitals in theirs months the things will calm down.

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    1. Re:KGB treatment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So they go from LulzSec to BalzSac. Nice!

    2. Re:KGB treatment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lulz

  40. V:TES by dcherryholmes · · Score: 1

    Clearly lulzsec has some V:TES players in their midst. CCP killed it, the bastards.

  41. Um, they are being paid by nfc_Death · · Score: 1

    Yeah, so they are being paid. It could not be more obvious. Look at their list of targets, now look at who they haven't hit. This is blatant corporate sabotage/espionage, the attacks are WAY too targeted. Furthermore when they actually come across something of value, do they sell it to the spammers in Russia? Do they auction it off to various criminal bodies? No they totally don't, they prove they are being paid by posting it for free online. Lulzsec is prolly one of the first hacker groups to come up with a good business and marketing plan.

    1. Re:Um, they are being paid by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      or they realize that trying to monetize your plunders is one of the easiest ways for a 31337 d00d to get nailed to the wall.

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    2. Re:Um, they are being paid by nfc_Death · · Score: 1

      What? Are you implying criminals don't attempt to fence their ill gotten goods because they may get caught?
      If they are so concerned about getting caught why commit the first offense?
      If you are so dense you don't already know how to sell what you're stealing prior to the theft, you aren't gonna last long in the wonderful world of theft.
      Are you trying to say these guys broke and entered with not a care in the world as to the consequences of that action, but somehow when it comes to making money off the break and enter they get weak in the knees?
      What's the point of plundering if there is no monetization?

    3. Re:Um, they are being paid by Legion303 · · Score: 1

      "What's the point of plundering if there is no monetization?"

      Hint: it's right there in their name.

    4. Re:Um, they are being paid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow a true no holds barred 100% genuine moneyfag. An example of the biggest loser possible.

  42. haha...bad target to pick on by lexsird · · Score: 2

    Do you have any idea who plays EVE? These guys didn't think it through when they considered this target. The EVE player base getting pissed at them is probably one of most dangerous player bases a game has out there. Measure the learning curve of EVE, then contrast it to other MMOs. EVE is global, on one server. They have nationality factions. Military types playing it. People who work IT. LulzSec will be lolToAsT I suspect very soon.

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    1. Re:haha...bad target to pick on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am IT pro and new to eve.
      I predict a Death to Lulzsec corp forming tonight.

    2. Re:haha...bad target to pick on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's why they did it. They're bored. No real challenges. Sony is a joke. The FBI is a joke. The Senate is a joke. And th3j35t3r is a pussy.

  43. he offered me free candy by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    Me, I just really hate yellow vans.

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  44. One corp is claiming responsibility: by thereofone · · Score: 1

    http://killboard.atlas-dot.net/?a=home

    http://www.evenews24.com/2011/06/02/unadulterated-scuttlebutt-atlasdot-enters-the-emergency-room/

    Some RMTer named Shmak Datash got himself and his comrades banned, shell of a corp left over is raging.

  45. Re:lulzsec plz don't touch wow servers, i have a R by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I beg u not to touch World of WarCraft!

    Please be more specific: which realm is it you don't want to be touched?

  46. I know it's from a movie, but ... by aztektum · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Alfred Pennyworth: A long time ago, I was in Burma, my friends and I were working for the local government. They were trying to buy the loyalty of tribal leaders by bribing them with precious stones. But their caravans were being raided in a forest north of Rangoon by a bandit. So we went looking for the stones. But in six months, we never found anyone who traded with him. One day I saw a child playing with a ruby the size of a tangerine. The bandit had been throwing them away.

    Bruce Wayne: Then why steal them?

    Alfred Pennyworth: Because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

    I find it fitting since they're in it for the "LuLz" as was the Joker

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    1. Re:I know it's from a movie, but ... by DemonGenius · · Score: 1

      Having unbridled power over people can transform someone to the extent that they ignore everything in their environment and lose all sense of empathy for any living creature. Just look at Stephen Harper for example.

    2. Re:I know it's from a movie, but ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One day I saw tangerine playing with a ruby the size of a tangerine....

      A long time ago I saw a child playing with a tangerine...the size of a tangerine...

      When I was in Burma, I saw a ruby playing with a child...the size of a tangerine...

    3. Re:I know it's from a movie, but ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Alfred Pennyworth:Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

      I find it fitting since they're in it for the "LuLz" as was the Joker

      i kindda read some simphaty here... bahhh... if thirsty for out of the ordinary (some may say "cool") sht, this "LuLz" bread of "men" should, for example, just stick THEIR fingers into THEIR... errr... eyes, or burn THEIR hair... or anything else onto THEIR sorry asses... theres no decent reason for anyone to interfere with other ppl's life (whatever that "life" may be)... OR... they should expect retaliation for their shty acts... as long as one thinks he's entitled to screw me then he should expect to be screwed back... and not necesarlly in the same way or with the same measure... after all, they didnt ask me if i'd be happy with their actions and didnt ask me about the type of action i'd preffer to be screwed with... on the same "road" i may feel myself entitled to... hmmm... how about some real shooting practice?

    4. Re:I know it's from a movie, but ... by waveclaw · · Score: 2
      "If the oceans were suddenly turned to gasoline, how long do you think it would be before someone lit a match, just to be the one who did it?"

      -- Joe Haldeman,"Colonizing Other Worlds."

      While he was discussing closed cultures on Interstellar Travel and Mutli-Generation Space Ships, Spaceship Earth also has some of the issues with having real live people trying to keep it together for the whole voyage. And we just go 'round and 'round with nowhere in particular as the course.

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    5. Re:I know it's from a movie, but ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Alfred Pennyworth: They were trying to buy the loyalty of tribal leaders by bribing them with precious stones. But their caravans were being raided in a forest north of Rangoon by a bandit. ... Because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

      Really? It's illogical to resist a foreign power buying up your government?

      Like so many Americans you fail to recognize the failures of logical in Alfred's speach. He speaks with a forked tongue, giving solace and comfort to the enemies of freedom.

    6. Re:I know it's from a movie, but ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Very fitting indeed. They're jokers allright. But who will be the Batman to stop them? Feds?

  47. Better to do a dateline like fake interview by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    Better to do a dateline like fake interview with hidden cameras and pull I'm Chris Hansen and you are on dateline NBC.

  48. When they come for Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Earlier today I ran into an internal server error accessing Slashdot. I reloaded and all was good - a fluke for sure. But what about when LulzSec does come for Slashdot? Would the security here limit them to a dos? There is nothing here worth hacking; but the problem is they are doing it for Lulz.

    1. Re:When they come for Slashdot by RussellSHarris · · Score: 1

      What's the point? Between the random server errors and the layout breaking due to someone screwing up the CSS and/or Javascript, Slashdot's own admins screw up the site to the point of being unusable far more often and better than any DDoS attack could.

    2. Re:When they come for Slashdot by kirbysuperstar · · Score: 1

      Maybe they could just take down idle.slashdot. That'd be great.

  49. Once again it helps highlight amateurism... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll never be part of Anonymous or lulzec or whatever but I like the fact that it highlight of amateurish and vulnerable all these very, very lame services and websites are run/were build.

    How proud are the "admins" and "web developers" (lol?) of these websites now?

    Shame on them. They suck. They know jack sh!t about security. They're amateurs and they're getting pwned by a collective of script kiddies.

    I've got *zero* empathy for the lamers running such vulnerable servers.

    Bring down more websites. Bring them all down (say what? The Amazon infrastructure resisted and everyone can host fat files for a bargain on the Amazon infrastructure? Maybe there's something to learn here).

    Then more security conscious people will step up and offer more secure websites.

    A site that can be taken down by a bunch of script kiddies deserves to go down.

    Amateur, get your part-of-the-problem-insecure-websites out of our Internet lawn.

  50. White Wolf gone too by etherlad · · Score: 1

    Since CCP Games is the owner of White Wolf Publishing (makers of RPGs like Vampire), a number of White Wolf's sites have gone down as well.

    Main site: http://www.white-wolf.com/
    Open development/info site for the 20th anniversary of Vampire: http://www.vampirethemasquerade.com/
    Site for the annual World of Darkness fan convention: http://www.thegrandmasquerade.com/

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  51. Re:lulzsec plz don't touch wow servers, i have a R by Tolkien · · Score: 1

    You're not the only one. This is so cringe-worthy it's sad.

  52. Re:"Anonymous Rejects"?!? wow... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know a guy who's dog did that once...

  53. Well at least we know they're in the Western Hemi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    About time Americans started kicking ass in something.

  54. Re:Why shouldn't I work for the N.S.A.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It just proves that we are all gods.

    Say you have a starving child in africa. If you give him food and shelter, he lives. If not, he dies.
    With so much power at our hands, how can we be anything less than gods?

  55. Nothing special by fadir · · Score: 1

    It requires little more than the ability to use a computer to be able to ddos a target to oblivion. There is pretty much no protection against attacks like this because they simply flood your uplink and most carriers don't care enough to filter the attack and instead simply null route the target.

  56. Re:"Anonymous Rejects"?!? wow... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, more like being thrown out of the comic book store for being too nerdy.

  57. rule 35 by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    LulzNet

    Way to let the goddamned cat out of the fucking bag.

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  58. Re:"Anonymous Rejects"?!? wow... by IrquiM · · Score: 2

    More like being denied sleeping under the bridge because you smell

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  59. Facebook.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    so when do they get to it? Because that will make for true LULZ.

  60. RMT & Blackhats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    About 6 weeks ago Eve New 24 ran a big exposure about Russian Blackhats making 100 thousand dollars a month by engaging in Real Money Trading in Eve. Eve News 24 was DDOSed of the net for a month and when it finally re-appeared a couple of weeks ago that story had been removed.

    CCP recently started a major cull of Bots & RMT account in Eve and has been banning account left right and center for the last month.

    The largest Russian Alliance in Eve, the Russian Drone Federation is well known for botting, and responded to their lost bot acounts by conducted a huge offensive in the game to take over the most lucrative region of the game, They spent around $100-150k worth of the in game currency to win that war, and shattered the previously most powerful alliance in the game.

    Over the week-end CCP announced a nerf that would make that lucrative region nearly worthless, and that war spend a huge waste and is quickly struck down by a DDOS attack.

    It is not just a bunch of script kiddies, it is most likely the Russian Blackhats that downed Eve News 24 that are behind this.

  61. Dust 514 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought the concept for Dust 514 was fantastic. I thought nothing would prevent me from purchasing and enjoying it, this article has not only proved that wrong but ruined my day :(

    I also thought (early 2000s)nothing would stop me from purchasing Starcraft 2 if it were ever released. I was proven wrong on that as well...

  62. ummm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is that the sun?...

    Thanks Lulz. I forgot what it looked like.

  63. Re:Why shouldn't I work for the N.S.A.... by bug1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It was a good speech from "Good Will Hunting".

    Did you type it out yourself, or just cut and paste ?

  64. Maybe its because DNF came before incarna? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think CCP did it.
     
      CCP's feeling really bad that Duke Nukem Forever is out now so their "Walking in Stations" patch that they've been talking about for 7 years is now the biggest vaporware in games?

  65. No one wants to hear this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...but a good deal of the crowd here supported Anon when they were DDoSing companies that are, in the /. consensus, evil. So many people supported working outside the bounds of the law to punish these companies, and then blamed the companies themselves. Now, a similar group of clowns have taken down EVE Online, Escapist Magazine, and Minecraft. We've made our bed, and now we're being forced to lie down in it.

  66. LulzSec not hacked already ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How long before their website is wiped by a DDoS ?

  67. Re:Why shouldn't I work for the N.S.A.... by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 0

    Voice recognition software.

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    Never been known to fail..."
  68. Almost back... by evilb · · Score: 1

    Looks like the servers just came back online, but are configured to not accept connections.

  69. "Original" Anonymous are trolls. by the_raptor · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You just don't get it. The original, from 4chan, Anonymous are a bunch of trolls and always have been. The only time anything approaching morality entered the mass consciousness of Anon was during Project Chanology, and if anyone hurts cats. Long before Anonymous was in the news they were happily trolling Nazis, furries, pedos, twelve year old girls, quadriplegics, gay kids, Christians, Muslims, Atheists etc.

    The only rule is "we do it for the lulz".

    The moral hacktivist Anonymous of Project Chanology era was entirely a creation of a handful of individuals who did a very good job of media manipulation. The vast majority of Anons were just participating because it was funny to annoy the Scientologists.

    4chan is not your personal army, but if you offer them an interesting enough target they will participate until bored. If your target isn't interesting they are just as likely to track down your docs and harass you instead of the target.

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    1. Re:"Original" Anonymous are trolls. by Tolkien · · Score: 1
      I'll just leave this here for you to evidently reread..

      mind you I don't firmly believe it, it was just a guess as I originally stated [...]

      The overall point I was trying to make from the beginning has been that we know the governments want to discredit (or reinforce, depending on which Anonymous you have in mind) the Anonymous name as a whole regardless of which moral standings (if any) that other people using the name choose to take. Using it to do immoral things is the perfect way of going about accomplishing that because a lot of people will never understand the whole concept of Anonymous being anyone and everyone. A lot of people will believe it when they're told that Anonymous has some form of organization behind it, even if they had previously heard otherwise.

    2. Re:"Original" Anonymous are trolls. by Tolkien · · Score: 1
  70. Soap on a rope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dear luzers,

    Here is a script for making soap on a rope.

    Prison Soap is serious business.

  71. Eve Online ... BAD idea by Teunis · · Score: 2

    That's got the largest group of wankers on who could attack back.
    Very bad target. Don't do it. Leave the EVE universe alone to the whackos who know and love it, so their world won't bleed into ours.

    or in other words, I'll be waiting to see what fallout hits the news. This could be interesting....

  72. Attack on server by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If it is cause the Sony affiliation thing, then guess there's the first sign that it should be on XBOX. Sony network has always sucked and they don't have anywhere near the number of players. I do know that Microsoft is wierd about doing joint ventures though so maybe that has something to do with it as well. I was exited for DUST 514 until I heard it was going to be on PS3.

  73. Maybe cheating bastard staff at CCP Games thang by leftie · · Score: 1

    Remember...some cheating bastard staff at CCP Games both referred and played Eve Online for a LONG time

    Took such advantage of their positions as both staff referees and skewed results so badly one can reasonably suggest the game was irreparably broken by them.

  74. Its like any other hobby by Shivetya · · Score: 1

    Is there really a difference in loss if I take away your internet ships or your golf clubs?

    Why do people ridicule an online only hobby and not other ones? There is no difference in the end. Most hobbies are diversions, if they make you money they become jobs and lose the status of entertainment that they were.

    --
    * Winners compare their achievements to their goals, losers compare theirs to that of others.
    1. Re:Its like any other hobby by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Yes, but some hobbies, online or not, are just ridiculous, and so deserve to be ridiculed. I'm thinking of furries in particular.

      --
      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
  75. Let gmhowell tell you all about himself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A quote from the troll gmhowell says it all:

    "I do whatever amuses me at the moment. Sometimes that is trolling. As far as AC? I only do that to avoid undoing moderations." - by gmhowell (26755) on Wednesday April 20, @12:49AM (#35877174) Homepage

    Your own words prove to us that you're online trash gmhowell, you scumbag troll.

    This IS why nobody here takes you seriously, or pays you any heed: You're a troll!

    The above not enough? Well, here's more from you:

    http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1907528&cid=34543612

    And here also:

    http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2087330&cid=35846218

    ("3 strikes, & you're out" - And, there's NO DENYING you are a troll, gmhowell. (Especially when you admitted it there in the links above, literally, in your own words!))

  76. University of Phoenix? by iontyre · · Score: 1

    Have these folks attacked UoP too? Their system has been all messed up this week, though they are claiming it is hardware related. I need to get back to class!

    --
    VASIMR to Mars!
  77. One doesn't have to be a part by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One doesn't have to be a part of LulzSec to enjoy it. I enjoy it a lot and I have no connection to them.

    They're taking away the pretentiousness of big companies and all the bullshit coming out of those.

    They're taking away the credibilities of vast hordes of "security experts" and the woodpecker coding those peddle.

    They're taking away the potency of retarded governments like the US and the "cyberwarfare" specter those jerk off to.

    Now they're taking away your precious oh so precious toys so that perhaps you and others may start to pay some attention to the world you fucking live in.

    LulzSec might just be doing it for the lulz, LulzSec might be nothing but an up to date version of the Batman Joker, but they're still heroes, if nothing else then by accident :D

  78. wtf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hate lulzsec for this. PS3 is superior to all other consoles