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iOS 4.3.4 Prevents Hacking and Jailbreaking

Mightee writes "Apple has released a software update to iOS, version 4.3.4, for the iPhone 4, 3GS, iPad 2, 1, and iPod Touch. The main objective of this version is to prevent the hacking in Apple iOS devices which occurs through malicious PDF files. Another objective is to prevent the jailbreaking which occurs as a consequence of the previous effect. In previous versions, the iOS device is easily vulnerable to attacks. It happens because of mishandling of fonts embedded in the PDF file. Sometimes a downloaded PDF may be malicious, and there is a possibility that the file could inject malware into the iOS device, which gives a chance for the hackers to access the hardware of the iOS device."

281 comments

  1. Make something unbreakable... by TechieRefugee · · Score: 1

    We'll get a bigger stick. [CHALLENGE ACCEPTED]

    1. Re:Make something unbreakable... by Microlith · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yup! So keep making those hostile devices, Apple, we'll keep buying them (like fools!)

    2. Re:Make something unbreakable... by binarylarry · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately for them, this will just create more Android converts.

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    3. Re:Make something unbreakable... by grub · · Score: 1, Insightful


      Hostile... like all those Blackberry and some Android devices?

      I love it when people conveniently forget the other guilty parties when engaging in AppleHate(tm)

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    4. Re:Make something unbreakable... by Microlith · · Score: 3, Insightful

      like all those Blackberry and some Android devices?
      Sure, not like I own one of those either.

      I love it when people conveniently forget the other guilty parties when engaging in AppleHate(tm)

      Apple is the biggest pusher of every concept that's ever been criticized on Slashdot. They're simply the easiest example, so stop whining.

    5. Re:Make something unbreakable... by grub · · Score: 0


      RIM/Blackberry was by far the biggest vendor of locked down devices until very recently yet the nerd-hate was tepid at best.

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    6. Re:Make something unbreakable... by dwightk · · Score: 2

      I'm with you, why does Apple care about protecting users from malicious access!?

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    7. Re:Make something unbreakable... by Microlith · · Score: 2

      I suspect it was because no one really cared, and were seen as business devices bought by companies for their employees for the most part. I also don't believe they restricted you from sideloading software unless an IT policy was put in place.

      Apple's helped the smartphone market explode, unfortunately they've brought along and prop up so many things criticized on Slashdot that they're an easy target.

    8. Re:Make something unbreakable... by Microlith · · Score: 1

      People wouldn't be loud about Apple patching security holes if those same holes weren't necessary for jailbreaks. I suspect people wouldn't say a thing if there were other, legitimate means of getting the same level of access.

      You (as someone that jailbreaks) are as much Apple's enemy as any potential malware vendor, however.

    9. Re:Make something unbreakable... by Microlith · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Name one legitimate reason to want to jailbreak your phone now days.

      Ownership. No other reason is necessary.

    10. Re:Make something unbreakable... by Dan667 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I regret buying an iphone and wish I had bought an Android Phone. It has become glaringly obvious that you just get a lot more for your money in comparison (including phone features and programs).

    11. Re:Make something unbreakable... by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Freedom is reason of its own, but you can't turn an iPhone into a VNC server without jailbreaking it. A very legitimate need, which has cost me lots of jailbreaking grief.

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    12. Re:Make something unbreakable... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, they won't.

      People don't care about jail breaking.

      Name one legitimate reason to want to jailbreak your phone now days.

      Tethering.

    13. Re:Make something unbreakable... by Sinthet · · Score: 1

      Cool themes and emulators. At least, that's why most people I know bothered jailbreaking. Especially the cool themes bit.

    14. Re:Make something unbreakable... by mswhippingboy · · Score: 1

      >

      Name one legitimate reason to want to jailbreak your phone now days.

      I'll give you one (there are others I assure you). I'm a software developer. I paid good $$ for my iPhone and if I want to write my OWN programs to run on it and not pay Apple $99 a year for the privilige, then my only option is to jailbreak it so I can put MY software on MY phone.

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    15. Re:Make something unbreakable... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      ...some Android devices?

      Now if only that was "some iOS devices". Choice rocks, doesn't it?

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    16. Re:Make something unbreakable... by HeavensTrash · · Score: 1

      to lift wifi restrictions (ie use facetime/skype over 3g, which its able to do just fine), to use my phones 3g as a wifi hotspot without paying $20 a month additional for nothing, for access to your file system, to install different ui's apple doesnt approve of, to install apps apple rejected for who knows what reason, etc!!! i dont know anyone whos jailbroken with the intent to pirate apps.

    17. Re:Make something unbreakable... by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

      Name one legitimate reason to want to jailbreak your phone now days.

      Ok: I want to use a bluetooth GPS with my iPod touch (technically not a phone but the same OS).

    18. Re:Make something unbreakable... by tuppe666 · · Score: 4, Funny

      ...some Android devices?

      Now if only that was "some iOS devices". Choice rocks, doesn't it?

      Apple users call choice FRAGMENTATION

    19. Re:Make something unbreakable... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't the (flavor of the season) brand Android phone what everyone's buying now anyways? iPhone is so 2010...

    20. Re:Make something unbreakable... by Moridineas · · Score: 1

      It doesn't get any worse than patching PDF viewer buffer overruns!! Damn you Apple!!

    21. Re:Make something unbreakable... by tuppe666 · · Score: 1

      Why regret buying an iPhone I never did. Its overpriced and behind the curve...but its second hand value is just as overpriced, simply swap it for a new phone...or two. They will be better in every way.

    22. Re:Make something unbreakable... by Moridineas · · Score: 1

      Personally about the only reason I jailbreak is to use BiteSMS now (very nice text messaging program/interface overhaul). Very nice Mobile Terminal program available. I also have been using the cleverly named iSwipe keyboard. Some good games too, like a very well done port of Quake (use your own data files).

      If you like themes and all that's another reason, though that doesn't float my boat.

    23. Re:Make something unbreakable... by Cimexus · · Score: 1

      Huh?

      Facetime over 3G is a legitimate argument. As is access to the file system/different UIs etc.

      However:

      - Skype: works over 3G just fine without jailbreaking (both voice and video) so I'm not sure what you're thinking about there. I do it all the time (both at home, and when travelling with various prepaid SIMs in different countries), so I know it works.

      - Fees for using using the 3G as a hotspot (tethering): this is a fee your CARRIER imposes and has nothing to do with the phone (or its jailbrokenness). Your carrier can do this because the carrier file data associated with your carrier in the (non-jailbroken) iOS has a flag that says "hide/disallow the tethering option unless they have plan XYZ". Jailbreaking gets around that because it allows software that can ignore the carrier data file. But it's not a problem with iOS per se. You should be complaining about your phone company instead. I can use tethering/hotspot with no extra fees just fine since my carrier doesn't engage in those kind of shenanigans.

      Most people I know who jailbreak do it so they can customise the UI, as you say, not with an intent to pirate apps (though that is a 'useful' side effect). I haven't personally jailbroken because frankly I don't care ~that~ much about the UI. It's functional enough for my needs. iOS 5 is going to allow some degree of lock-screen notifications/info which is an encouraging sign (though it will no doubt still be limited compared to what you can do through jailbreaking).

    24. Re:Make something unbreakable... by toQDuj · · Score: 1

      I jailbroke 4.3.3 because I wanted a wifi scanning/stumbler tool. After jailbreaking I was so disapointed with the program and the pay-me-for-my-leet-software attitude in the cydia store that I happily un-jailbroke and installed 4.3.4. No stumbler app, true, but otherwise not a big loss.

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    25. Re:Make something unbreakable... by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      adblockers? firewalls?

      even on android, you have to root to run those things.

      but I like being *able* to run those!

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    26. Re:Make something unbreakable... by kirbysuperstar · · Score: 1

      Wait, you pay per year for developer access? I thought it was just a one-time thing. Wow, that's.. scummy. Real scummy.

    27. Re:Make something unbreakable... by gordo3000 · · Score: 1

      I work with a bunch of pretty wealthy people (the lowest compensated is around 200k per year) and of the 10 or so people in my group with an iphone, every single one of them has jail broken it for tethering, mobile hotspot usage, or many other apps that are not in the app store. I'm not saying many of these things can't be done now without jailbreaking, but often they cost a lot more and feel like quite the rip off.

      I only mention their money because you may say they are nerds with too much time on their hands or are very cheap, but that isn't the case.

      Just because you can't find a reason or surround yourself with people that don't doesn't mean it isn't a popular way to get some decent features on the iphone.

      I will actually be not upgrading my phone from now until I switch to android because of this, granted I have had several reasons for the android switch recently and this is just one more. I'm sure it will be worked around but it isn't very meaningful to have to fight to use my phone in reasonable ways.

    28. Re:Make something unbreakable... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Well played, good sir! Now excuse me whilst I go to the store and decide if I want the iPhone 3, 3GS, 4 in GSM, or 4 in CDMA. Because they all come with different OSes and capabilities. But I know, that's not fragmentation!

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    29. Re:Make something unbreakable... by hairyfeet · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Sure, the boys in Steve's lab can make it hack-proof. But that don't mean we ain't gonna hack it.". All we need now is someone to come out with a jailbreak that depends on the success of a plumbing minigame and we're in business!

      Seriously why don't folks just accept if you want Steve's toys you have to play with them Steve's way? If you want freedom to do what you want with YOUR device you do NOT want an Apple iShiny, what you want is this little thing called an Android. Hell even the WinPhone is more open last I checked, as they made it butt simple to load third party apps.

      Not to say old Steve don't make good gear, hell the man is famous for cutting out the bullshit and making things simple that "just work". But surely by now everyone has to know Steve has always been a control freak, going back to that Apple that would overheat because Steve hated the sound of fans.

      Apple will ALWAYS be the most locked down walled garden approach, that is how Steve makes sure things are just the way he likes it, and as a side effect it'll make it so Apple doesn't have to worry about malware without actually hardening the OS, just make it so only pre-approved apps run and there you go. If that doesn't appeal to you? Get Android or WinPhone or WebOS devices, it isn't like there isn't plenty of choices out there.

      I just don't get why people would pay for the Apple markup only to turn right around and look for ways to break into the thing. it just seems like a lot of work when there are plenty of other choices. Vote with your wallets people, if design and simplicity matters? Buy Apple. If being able to control your device and do as you please matters to you? Get something else. Why is that so hard?

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    30. Re:Make something unbreakable... by node+3 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      like all those Blackberry and some Android devices?
      Sure, not like I own one of those either.

      I love it when people conveniently forget the other guilty parties when engaging in AppleHate(tm)

      Apple is the biggest pusher of every concept that's ever been criticized on Slashdot. They're simply the easiest example, so stop whining.

      No, the problem is Slashdot goes full retard with regards to Apple. "Steve Jobs wants to control you", "if you jailbreak, you live in fear or going to jail", "iPad is just a toy, and will fail", "Android is beating iOS", "*Apple* has a secret kill switch that you must fear" (although so does Google, and unlike Apple, Google has actually *used* theirs, man times!), "Apple is anti-consumer" (reality: The consumer is Apple's customer, and the consumer is Google's product), "Apple is going to turn you in for piracy if you use iCloud".

      No, the problem isn't that Apple is the "biggest pusher of every concept that's ever been criticized on Slashdot" (like, open source software? Open standards?), nor is the problem that "they're simply the easiest example". The problem is that Slashdot nerds are extremely simplistic. If you do *one thing* they don't like, you're evil, no appeal go directly to the 'we hate you' category.

    31. Re:Make something unbreakable... by node+3 · · Score: 1

      The iPhone 3G (the actual product name) is no longer for sale (and hasn't been for a year now). That makes 3 sufficiently distinct iPhones. But even if you consider *every* model of iPhone, that's still significantly less fragmented than Android is counting only currently sold models.

      Acting like there's any sort of similarity with regards to fragmentation is laughable.

    32. Re:Make something unbreakable... by node+3 · · Score: 2

      People wouldn't be loud about Apple patching security holes if those same holes weren't necessary for jailbreaks. I suspect people wouldn't say a thing if there were other, legitimate means of getting the same level of access.

      By "people", you do understand you really mean "small subset of nerds", right? *People* just simply aren't giving a shit about this. That's why there's such disparity between comments on Slashdot and Apple's success in the market.

      You (as someone that jailbreaks) are as much Apple's enemy as any potential malware vendor, however.

      Bullshit. Not a single jailbreaking end-user is "Apple's enemy". *Maybe* the handful of people writing the jailbreaks are, but even that's dubious.

      This is the problem I pointed out to you in another post. Slashdotters are notoriously irrational about these types of things. There's nothing wrong with disliking Apple or how they manage their products, but the way many of you here respond to Apple, it's less reasonable than the so-called "fanboys" many of you call anyone who doesn't share your opinions.

    33. Re:Make something unbreakable... by node+3 · · Score: 1

      No, the iPhone outsells any particular Android handset. Now, had you said, "flavors of the season Android phone", you'd possibly be onto something. However, that ignores some context, including that the iPhone alone has outsold all Android devices combined, to date. And iOS on the whole still outsells Android on the whole. This is especially true in markets which aren't so artificially affected like the handset market.

      Although hanging around here, one could *almost* be forgiven for getting the wrong impression re: Android vs iOS.

    34. Re:Make something unbreakable... by brantondaveperson · · Score: 1
    35. Re:Make something unbreakable... by chucklebutte · · Score: 0

      I have a Blackberry, I can install apps from any location, app world/sd card/browser/ota I can run any drm free mp3 and I have a secure messaging platform. I fail to see why people dislike RIM so much?

    36. Re:Make something unbreakable... by yuhong · · Score: 1

      I recently read jwz's rant about how you have to pay $99 per year for Apple to host your existing apps.

    37. Re:Make something unbreakable... by PNutts · · Score: 1

      Well played, good sir! Now excuse me whilst I go to the store and decide if I want the iPhone 3, 3GS, 4 in GSM, or 4 in CDMA. Because they all come with different OSes and capabilities. But I know, that's not fragmentation!

      You want the one with bigger gee bees.

    38. Re:Make something unbreakable... by PNutts · · Score: 1

      The iPhone 3G (the actual product name) is no longer for sale (and hasn't been for a year now). That makes 3 sufficiently distinct iPhones. But even if you consider *every* model of iPhone, that's still significantly less fragmented than Android is counting only currently sold models.

      Acting like there's any sort of similarity with regards to fragmentation is laughable.

      I can't decide if the GP is serious or not, but you are correct: Three devices and one has two models for different networks. All can upgrade to the latest iOS. Seems pretty simple, especially to the developers I've talked to.

    39. Re:Make something unbreakable... by Falconhell · · Score: 1

      Fanboy is fanboy, whoodathunkit?

    40. Re:Make something unbreakable... by PNutts · · Score: 1

      Name one legitimate reason to want to jailbreak your phone now days.

      Ownership. No other reason is necessary.

      If you have to jb your phone to feel like you own it then you bought the wrong phone.

    41. Re:Make something unbreakable... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But they never pretended to be savior, god or geniuses. Neither did they act smug.

      Apple wants to take high ground and fuck everybody in the ass too. They wont get my love. Sheeple on the other hand....

    42. Re:Make something unbreakable... by E+IS+mC(Square) · · Score: 1

      Throwing toys out of pram so early, Apple bitches?

    43. Re:Make something unbreakable... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All can upgrade to the latest iOS.

      That's mighty generous of you. A 3GS iPhone running iOS4 is almost unusable due to the memory required. "Upgrading" a 3GS to iOS4 is pretty much guaranteed to make you want to throw the thing at the ground in frustration. Delays, hangs, reboots, they suck hard when the machines are tight on RAM.

      Watching Apple send the iPhones down the path of obsolescence would provide an excellent case study. You can envision the internal roadmap easily enough.

      1. Sell 3GS phones that are extremely capable devices.
      2. Introduce iOS4 to developers, knowing full well that performance on 3GS phones works for a while after a reboot, but in general is abysmal.
      3. Introduce iPhone 4 to consumers.
      4. Push iOS4 into automatic upgrade stream. Because consumers trust Apple, predict that most iPhone 3GS users will automatically install iOS4.
      5. Receive feedback that iPhone 3GS users complain about performance of iOS4. Confirmation that step 2 was a success.
      6. Encourage key developers to upgrade their apps using the iOS4 API, expect some will update to the point where they're no longer iOS 3 compatible.
      7. Predict that customers who tried to remain on iOS3 can no longer run their favorite apps after upgrades. Install iOS4 anyway.
      8. Due to investment in previous iPhone apps, 3GS will customers ditch their phones for iPhone 4.
    44. Re:Make something unbreakable... by bemymonkey · · Score: 1

      Except that Sony, HTC and Moto are finally opening up bootloaders, and the rest have been open all along.

      Apple seems to be the last holdout in relevant circles...

    45. Re:Make something unbreakable... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A 3GS iPhone running iOS4 is almost unusable due to the memory required.

      You're doing it wrong.

      I'm running 4.3.3 on my 3GS and it works great. I'm running openssh, lhttpd and other services in the background and that works great too.

      The devteam jailbreakers are awesome and make the iPhones go from good to great!

    46. Re:Make something unbreakable... by DI4BL0S · · Score: 1

      You mean iHate?

    47. Re:Make something unbreakable... by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      You misspelled the word "many" as "man". Slashdot hates you now.

    48. Re:Make something unbreakable... by Anubis+IV · · Score: 3, Interesting

      going back to that Apple that would overheat because Steve hated the sound of fans.

      The G4 Cube only overheated if you covered the vents. Admittedly, putting the only vents on the top of the computer, which was a flat and a seemingly prime spot to set something down, was a minor oversight on their part. And by minor, I mean the opposite.

      Still, that particular mistake is not as bad as when Microsoft forgot that people have carpet in their homes, which led to the original line of Xbox consoles having unexpected errors and shutdowns as a result of overheating whenever the power brick was placed directly on carpet. Really though, Apple's error with that particular model was the exorbitant price for the specs it offered. It really was a case of them charging a premium for no reason other than design, and the Cube was a flop because of it. They finally got the price, design, and specs to a better place later on, however, which is where the Mac mini came from, and Microsoft was quick to handle the power brick issue, so at least they've both learned from their mistakes.

    49. Re:Make something unbreakable... by Eskarel · · Score: 1

      What Open Software? OSX isn't open. Safari isn't open. iTunes sure isn't open. iOS is incredibly closed.

      What open standards, sure Apple wants HTML5, but they've also patented part of the specification and aren't releasing those patents as is required by the W3C. They're suing their competition into oblivion with patent claims that are more ridiculous than SCO's were.

    50. Re:Make something unbreakable... by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

      "Man Times" sounds like the sort of magazine timothy would read.

    51. Re:Make something unbreakable... by oobayly · · Score: 2

      I can't speak for people who hate RIM, but after being handed a Blackberry by a colleague and being asked to set it up I decided there was a reason why their market cap has halved in the last 6 months - the thing was a bitch to use.

      Want to copy contact across - Orange suggest copying all contacts onto SIM (confirmed SIM supports multiple numbers per contact). When imported from SIM onto Blackberry it only copied the first number for each contact. I then plugged the SIM into my phone, and confirmed that all the contacts details had been copied onto the SIM correctly.
      Compare this to a HTC Desire - It asks you what the old phone is, if it has bluetooth it provides instructions on how to activate it - then it sucks all the contacts, calendar entries & text messages off the old phone, job was done in 2 minutes.

      And where the fuck is a proper IMAP4 client, not their shitty method of syncing though RIM's servers. If I read a message on my phone it should be marked as read on my computer.

      My opinion about Nokia & RIM losing half their value in 6 months is that they fucking deserve it - they clearly can't make sensible phones anymore. Last time I had to copy data from one Nokia to another I needed to install two separate versions of Nokia desktop - WTF?

    52. Re:Make something unbreakable... by HuguesT · · Score: 1

      OK, two extremely valuable reasons to JB the 4.x iphone:

      1- wireless sync (yes this is coming to IOS 5)
      2- tethering. This is rather valuable. my phone company wants to charge me $40 a month for 1GB limited tethering.

    53. Re:Make something unbreakable... by node+3 · · Score: 2

      Typical ignorant slashdotter:

      What Open Software? OSX isn't open. Safari isn't open. iTunes sure isn't open. iOS is incredibly closed.

      opensource.apple.com

      What open standards, sure Apple wants HTML5, but they've also patented part of the specification and aren't releasing those patents as is required by the W3C.

      Bullshit. Apple has not patented part of HTML5. Apple is not MPEG-LA. They cannot release those patents, but those patents are a red herring anyway. Apple almost universally supports open standards. HTML5 is just one example of many.

      They're suing their competition into oblivion with patent claims that are more ridiculous than SCO's were.

      Bullshit. There isn't a single example of Apple doing this. On the other hand, Apple, unlike SCO, has actually invented quite a lot over the years, and protects their inventions.

    54. Re:Make something unbreakable... by TitaniumWhite · · Score: 1

      Your last paragraph is preeminently simple. Why DO people pay THREE times more for every freaking Apple product and get so little increment in functionality and even a DECREMENT in terms of hooking up 3rd party stuff (try hooking up an old Samsung printer to a new IMac ... slap-upside-the-head simple with Win 7)? I'm actually a Unix afficionado and have written lots of deep C on Linux and IRIX with IPC, Sockets, ... you name it ... but I find Apple's price points OFFENSIVE. Hence, I'd rather buy a Win box and just put UWin on it ... for dirt cheap. Apple is now a tech company for hipsters who want to belong to the CULT. Take that to the "genius bar".

    55. Re:Make something unbreakable... by node+3 · · Score: 1

      What's "fanboy" about understanding a handful of slashdot nerds circlejerking about "ownership" regarding iOS is not even *remotely* relevant to 99.99+% of the population?

      It's you who are the fanboys. "Ownership!" +5 Fanboy!

    56. Re:Make something unbreakable... by node+3 · · Score: 1

      I see you are still incapable of making an actual point, and just calling people names.

    57. Re:Make something unbreakable... by WizardFusion · · Score: 1

      Name one legitimate reason to want to jailbreak your phone now days

      Firewall. I don't want every app I install to rip all my data any publish it to their servers. Why should I game I buy with no multi-player support need to access the internet.? Adverts. I hate adverts I JB so that I don't have to see them on my iPhone.

    58. Re:Make something unbreakable... by Imbrondir · · Score: 1

      Personally I don't mind the kill switch capability, as long I can install applications or even competing app stores that won't be affected. And enough with the "the consumer is googles product, unlike every other company" already. It's true that as a user of Google you're their product, but you're also at least an indirect customer. I'd say direct as well when you make an OEM buy android market for your android device. And users of Apple (and MS for that matter) are also partially the product. They don't directly take money from in-app advertisements (doing the same analytics that google is criticized for), and the apps in the app store itself.

    59. Re:Make something unbreakable... by TheTurtlesMoves · · Score: 1

      Handful? I don't know what it is like in the US. But I don't know a single iPhone user that doesn't have their phone jail broken same will all my Daughters friends with iPhones. There are not high tech folk, they are mostly biologists or high school kids that don't know the difference between wav files and a MP3s.

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    60. Re:Make something unbreakable... by Tim+C · · Score: 2

      Just because most people won't care about it doesn't mean it isn't a legitimate reason; legitimacy in no way requires or implies relevancy. That said while I don't own any Apple devices, I've not bothered to root my Android phone.

    61. Re:Make something unbreakable... by Agripa · · Score: 1

      The G4 Cube only overheated if you covered the vents. Admittedly, putting the only vents on the top of the computer, which was a flat and a seemingly prime spot to set something down, was a minor oversight on their part. And by minor, I mean the opposite.

      Consumer products often have curved tops or irregular shapes to prevent stacking when cooling is an issue. I try to avoid such products figuring that they were marginal designs in the first place.

    62. Re:Make something unbreakable... by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      Fees for using using the 3G as a hotspot (tethering): this is a fee your CARRIER imposes and has nothing to do with the phone (or its jailbrokenness).

      AIUI most phones prior to the iphone just allowed tethering (at least when running their generic firmware rather than a carrier customised version). The iphone didn't allow it at all initially and then later only allowed it if the carrier explicitly enabled it (which afaict some did for free, some charged for and some didn't do at all).

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    63. Re:Make something unbreakable... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He is talking about the eighties dude when you know people might not have wanted fire that fitted nasally but maybe in one of them new-fangled computer dealies.
      Jobs was back with Apple then.

    64. Re:Make something unbreakable... by master_p · · Score: 1

      But you do not have the rights to fiddle with the internals of this device (either software or hardware). What would you do with the ownership?

    65. Re:Make something unbreakable... by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Sorry Anubis but Steve designing overheating computers goes back waaaay before the Cube. I was talking about the mid 80s Apple (III or Lisa, can't remember which ATM) where they actually advised customers to "raise the unit three to four inches off the table and drop the unit" as Steve hated fans and thus had created a machine that would get so hot the chips would literally unseat themselves and picking up the box and dropping it would sometimes (not always) reseat the chips.

      But that is just how Jobs was, is, and always will be. For him design is everything and form will ALWAYS trump function. He has always cared about aesthetics more than what the user thinks and apparently that is the way to go by looking at Apple's market cap. I just don't understand why so many would pay such a hefty markup (last I checked Apple has the highest profit margins per unit in the business) for the device only to turn around and hack into it. If you want to run what you want there are choices, so choose them!

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    66. Re:Make something unbreakable... by realityimpaired · · Score: 1

      Want to copy contact across - Orange suggest copying all contacts onto SIM (confirmed SIM supports multiple numbers per contact). When imported from SIM onto Blackberry it only copied the first number for each contact. I then plugged the SIM into my phone, and confirmed that all the contacts details had been copied onto the SIM correctly.
      Compare this to a HTC Desire - It asks you what the old phone is, if it has bluetooth it provides instructions on how to activate it - then it sucks all the contacts, calendar entries & text messages off the old phone, job was done in 2 minutes.

      Not just that... now that you're on an Android platform, you don't need to synch your contacts across phones as long as you are moving to an Android phone. You turn the phone on, plug in your Google account details, and there's all your contacts, calendar, your email is set up, etc.. You can also log in to GMail or Google Calendar and modify it all directly from a PC. That is one thing that iOS and Blackberry are both sorely lacking. Blackberry has it to some degree, if you have an Exchange server you can set up, as Blackberry can pull phone contacts from the Outlook contact list, but have you ever tried that when there's 60,000+ contacts in the directory?

    67. Re:Make something unbreakable... by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Because you want to disrupt the lives of millions of people by making a new strain of malware? That is beyond Black Hat that is just wrong.

      Black hats break into the system and disrupt it to force someone to fix a security problem.
      Gray hats break into the system to prove that they can.
      White hats break in to their own systems in labs and report the vulnerability.

      The fact that Apple fixed the problem before it got out of control is a good thing. The fact that most Jail Breaking is due to hacking the phone it is usually just a side effect. I more then expect hackers to try to find a new hole to get into, to both create a jail break and to spread chaos around the world because because they got angry at some posts by fan boys in the internet a decade back.

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    68. Re:Make something unbreakable... by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Apple is the biggest pusher of every concept that's ever been criticized on Slashdot.

      Or is it Slashdot criticizes most every concept that Apple creates (Because it is a Apple or Microsoft...)

      Most Slashdotters have a very critical view on technology (Too critical in my opinion), and if this technology hasn't been completed by their own camp it is considered a threat. Or if some popular person in their camp does some crazy rant they will overnight change their own opinion and go with them. I like to look at the Negativity towards cloud computing... Before RMS rant on how bad it was, Slashdot had an on average positive attitude towards it, then right after RMS rant Slashdot switched almost overnight to hating it as it was pure evil.

      Slashdotters overall hate corporations unless somehow they are in their camp. Google is hit or miss, IBM Slashdoters love, Microsoft can do no good.

      Apple fixed a bug in their code... It is a good thing! Less bugs and security holes in a product makes it better... Unless you are just pining on having Apple fail miserably you should be happy it is fixed.

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    69. Re:Make something unbreakable... by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      What open standards, sure Apple wants HTML5, but they've also patented part of the specification and aren't releasing those patents as is required by the W3C.

      See, that is how Slashdotters go apeshit and post nonsense.

      Apple hasn't patented part of the HTML5 specification. Apple has answered a request by the W3C to tell them what patents they own that they think might be in the way of the planned HTML5 spec, and they found two patents that might be infringed by the planned specification. W3C is now looking for prior art, because prior art to a patent can be freely used, and then they plan to adapt the specification so that it supports the capabilities it was supposed to support, but so that an implementation only needs to use the prior art, and not what Apple added in their patent.

      A patent troll would obviously _not_ have told anyone about those patents, but would have waited until the spec is written and implementations are out, which would then infringe on the patent.

      This is just like what the Ogg Vorbis developers are so proud off: They checked what patents are there and then developed a Codec that doesn't require use of any of those patents. So imagine that instead of having to search for patents, the developers could have asked Apple and others: "We want to create a new audio codec that isn't patent encumbered and this is our plan how it should work. Do you have any patents that you think would be in the way?" They would have been happy about any information Apple (and others) would have given them.

    70. Re:Make something unbreakable... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately for them, this will just create more Android converts.

      Fixing exploitable bugs will drive people from iPhones to Android? You guys are even more delusional and nutty than I thought.

    71. Re:Make something unbreakable... by Grizzley9 · · Score: 1

      Not just that... now that you're on an Android platform, you don't need to synch your contacts across phones as long as you are moving to an Android phone. You turn the phone on, plug in your Google account details, and there's all your contacts, calendar, your email is set up, etc.. You can also log in to GMail or Google Calendar and modify it all directly from a PC. That is one thing that iOS and Blackberry are both sorely lacking.

      That is incorrect, it's called Google Sync. I have an iPhone and use Google services exclusively and they are all integrated into my phone. http://www.google.com/mobile/sync/

    72. Re:Make something unbreakable... by SimonTheSoundMan · · Score: 1

      Not just that... now that you're on an Android platform, you don't need to synch your contacts across phones as long as you are moving to an Android phone. You turn the phone on, plug in your Google account details, and there's all your contacts, calendar, your email is set up, etc.. You can also log in to GMail or Google Calendar and modify it all directly from a PC. That is one thing that iOS and Blackberry are both sorely lacking.

      All my contacts, calendars, e-mail etc are all synced with Google on my iPhone, iPad, Mac and Android.

    73. Re:Make something unbreakable... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Apple will ALWAYS be the most locked down walled garden approach, that is how Steve makes sure things are just the way he likes it, and as a side effect it'll make it so Apple doesn't have to worry about malware"

      Yeah, it's just a shame Apple's phones have had more, and more serious vulnerabilities than any other smartphone platform to date. So I guess even that doesn't work out for them.

    74. Re:Make something unbreakable... by TechieRefugee · · Score: 1

      I apologize that my meaning was unclear to you; I wasn't focusing on the malware portion of it at all. I was merely talking about the Jailbreaking portion of it.

    75. Re:Make something unbreakable... by heathen_01 · · Score: 1

      Bullshit. There isn't a single example of Apple doing this. On the other hand, Apple, unlike SCO, has actually invented quite a lot over the years, and protects their inventions.

      How about this one?

    76. Re:Make something unbreakable... by heathen_01 · · Score: 1

      Screen resolution?

    77. Re:Make something unbreakable... by bn-7bc · · Score: 0

      Well OpenVpm for one, I check 5 minutes ago (If I missed it please tel me) and the only way to get openvpn on iPhone was to jailbreak

    78. Re:Make something unbreakable... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Name one legitimate reason to want to jailbreak your phone now days.

      Ownership. No other reason is necessary.

      Pwnzorship. Jailbreaked iPhones are much more vulnerable than plain ones. Just ask Charlie Miller.

    79. Re:Make something unbreakable... by E+IS+mC(Square) · · Score: 1

      And what 'point' did you make in your post? *irony meter explodes*

    80. Re:Make something unbreakable... by VolciMaster · · Score: 1

      I'm with you, why does Apple care about protecting users from malicious access!?

      Maybe for the same reason every other vendor cares about protecting their uses from malicious access? They want their customers to continue being their customers?

    81. Re:Make something unbreakable... by Microlith · · Score: 1

      See, the pro-Apple crowd always rolls in after I go to bed, and downmod me for being critical of Apple. Then someone like you comes along and suggests that by criticizing Apple, I've somehow gone "full retard" and that my point is simplistic.

      Your point is, rather, that Apple is above all criticism and that no one should ever do so.

      The consumer is Apple's customer, and the consumer is Google's product

      The buyer of these devices is a product for BOTH of them. But hey, you assumed immediately that I am an Android/Google fan which means that you're as blind as you claim others to be.

      the problem isn't that Apple is the "biggest pusher of every concept that's ever been criticized on Slashdot" (like, open source software? Open standards?)

      They push DRM on everything but music. They push their own implementation of "trusted computing" in its worst form (with the user marked as a hostile entity) with no ability to opt out. They actively work with and support the RIAA and MPAA, who work very, very hard with their member companies to sue their own customers.

      Note that up until 2008, I was a diehard supporter of Apple. OS X was and still is a better *nix than Linux from a user experience perspective.

      If you do *one thing* they don't like, you're evil, no appeal go directly to the 'we hate you' category.
      So as I said, you believe that Apple is above criticism and attack me instead of addressing my points.

    82. Re:Make something unbreakable... by Microlith · · Score: 1

      But you do not have the rights to fiddle with the internals of this device (either software or hardware). What would you do with the ownership?

      Sure you can fiddle with the internals of the device. Apple can't stop you. The only thing you can do (and the only thing you're gonna really get in trouble for) is if you start modifying files Apple holds the copyright on and distribute them wholesale.

      After all, people don't distribute jailbroken ROM images, they distribute the jailbreak.

    83. Re:Make something unbreakable... by Golddess · · Score: 1
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    84. Re:Make something unbreakable... by zeroshade · · Score: 1

      Installing applications not from the Apple App Store.

    85. Re:Make something unbreakable... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Funny, I saw new, unopened iPhone 3G models for sale at the local Apple distributor, right in Xujiahui here in Shanghai. Are you assuming that what you see in the US is the same as everywhere?

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    86. Re:Make something unbreakable... by bonch · · Score: 1

      It's amusing how the summary claims the "main objective of this version is to prevent the hacking in Apple iOS devices which occurs through malicious PDF files" when the objective is actually to fix the security vulnerability that was used to hack the device in the first place. Apple doesn't care all that much about jailbreaking because you already bought their hardware. Their only real concern would be that it allows for app piracy, but they make more money on hardware than they do on software.

    87. Re:Make something unbreakable... by alex67500 · · Score: 1

      Why regret buying an iPhone I never did. Its overpriced and behind the curve...

      I don't know about that... The Bold, maybe, but the Curve?!

    88. Re:Make something unbreakable... by node+3 · · Score: 1

      Bullshit. Apple has not patented part of HTML5.

      http://apple.slashdot.org/story/11/07/13/1430232/W3C-Chastises-Apple-On-HTML5-Patenting

      That's a proposed part of HTML5, pretty much in reverse of what we are talking about. It's not Apple saying, "let's make this the standard, and we have a patent here", it's W3C saying, "let's make this a part of the standard, and let's take the patents away from Apple."

      It's definitely worthy of discussion, but not an example of Apple doing something Eskarel is saying. It's also quite understandable that companies wouldn't just want to give up patents because someone else wants to use it for free. In fact, the idea is a bit absurd.

    89. Re:Make something unbreakable... by node+3 · · Score: 1

      Bullshit. There isn't a single example of Apple doing this. On the other hand, Apple, unlike SCO, has actually invented quite a lot over the years, and protects their inventions.

      How about this one?

      And this is Apple "suing HTC into oblivion", with "patent claims more ridiculous than SCO"? HTC will survive this, two of the patents have been ruled as being violated, and these are inventions that Apple actually did invent and use, not just SCO-like patent trolling.

      What you are basically saying is that technology patents should not exist, or perhaps just that Apple shouldn't be able to have any, or Android should be granted unlimited, royalty-free licenses to any patents they need (from Apple, perhaps, but not Microsoft?), or something along those lines.

      One of those patents dates back to the Newton, where it's pretty much impossible to argue Apple didn't invent something without needing a pair of strong, Slashdot-strength, anti-Apple, fanboy goggles.

    90. Re:Make something unbreakable... by node+3 · · Score: 1

      Just because most people won't care about it doesn't mean it isn't a legitimate reason; legitimacy in no way requires or implies relevancy.

      Actually, it does. If something isn't relevant, how can it be a legitimate example of anything apropos? Especially when the original statement was in response to the idea that this will drive people to Android (ha!).

      That said while I don't own any Apple devices, I've not bothered to root my Android phone.

      Exactly. That modding is "+5, I hate Apple", not "+5, this is a pertinent point".

      The OP's point wasn't a logical claim where even one counter-example with even the most tenuous of connections disproves it. It was along the lines of "come on, what reasons are there really to jailbreak these days anyway?".

      "Ownership" is not an answer. it's a nerd platitude.

      After all, even most nerds *here* don't even care about this enough to practice it themselves, what relevancy do you think this could possibly have to the market in general?

    91. Re:Make something unbreakable... by node+3 · · Score: 1

      My reply to Microlith is part of a few I've made today pointing out that his nerd-centric view is not common. I don't recall a reply from you in recent times (well, ever really) that had any content other than calling me a fanboy of some type, generally involving childish sexual taunts. In fact, the one I'm replying to right now is, as far as I can tell, the most reasonable post you've ever made on Slashdot, and it's not exactly a post to aspire to (not even for Slashdot).

    92. Re:Make something unbreakable... by greghodg · · Score: 0

      What about this "Apple Wheel" thingy? Sounds like a terribly interesting project to me!

    93. Re:Make something unbreakable... by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      It was along the lines of "come on, what reasons are there really to jailbreak these days anyway?".

      Actually, it was "Name one legitimate reason to want to jailbreak your phone now days."

      what relevancy do you think this could possibly have to the market in general?

      Who said anything about the market in general? In case you didn't notice, this is Slashdot. News for nerds. You address a nerd and ask a "reason to want to jailbreak your phone". Guess what? You are going to get a nerd reply. Big surprise.

      Then you come, and try to find relevancy to "market in general". And by your own admission and endless repetition, Slashdotters have nothing to do with "market in general". So, your response is irrelevant. Got it?

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    94. Re:Make something unbreakable... by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      this is a fee your CARRIER imposes and has nothing to do with the phone (or its jailbrokenness). ....blah blah ... Jailbreaking gets around that because

      Have you any sense of logic? Read what you wrote above - If jailbreaking gets around carrier fee, how does it have nothing to do with the carrier fee?

      Bypass surgery gets around blocked blood vessels, but has nothing to do with blocked blood vessels? I am shocked at the the level of insanity you fanboys need to cultivate!

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    95. Re:Make something unbreakable... by LDAPMAN · · Score: 1

      What you pay for is access to the PKI system that is used to sign all code that runs on iOS devices. The $99 and your membership are what Apple uses to validate that your a legitimate developer. This is all part of the security model of the platform. You do want a secure platform don't you.....?

    96. Re:Make something unbreakable... by mswhippingboy · · Score: 1

      What you pay for is access to the PKI system that is used to sign all code that runs on iOS devices. The $99 and your membership are what Apple uses to validate that your a legitimate developer. This is all part of the security model of the platform. You do want a secure platform don't you.....?

      If that were true, then a $1 one-time charge to my credit card should be sufficient to verify my identity. Does charging me $99 (and forcing me to renew it annually) make this any more secure? After all, they've already hit me up for an overpriced Apple development machine. Maybe Steve just needs the extra $98 to purchase more ninja stars.

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    97. Re:Make something unbreakable... by Eskarel · · Score: 1

      No I'm saying that adding "on a touch screen" to an idea doesn't make it patentable and that even aside from that "using motion sensors to rotate the screen is not a novel ideal.

      To be honest I'm far more pro patent than most of Slashdot and even think that there is a place for software patents. That doesn't mean that a lot of patents aren't BS though, and the vast majority of Apple's mobile patents are BS. That hasn't stopped them from continously wielding them to stifle competition.

      Apple are not the good guys.

    98. Re:Make something unbreakable... by Cimexus · · Score: 1

      No but you have to do ~something~ (jailbreak, flash different firmware) to get around the fee on virtually all smartphones. iOS or not. You can get around it on iOS by jailbreaking, just like you can get around it on Android by flashing a different firmware. (Some phones may come with factory firmware that ignores the carrier settings right out of the box, but in my experience that is the exception rather than the norm).

      My point is NOT that iOS does not restrict you - it's that it restricts you in the same way as most other smartphones' default factory firmware. I.e. yes, it has a restriction, but so do most other phones (unless you do something to get around that). I'm no particular iOS fanboy ... I have a HTC Desire as well as an iPhone lying around and quite like both of them for different reasons. My point was simply that these carrier-based restrictions are imposed by ~most~ phones out there, not just iPhones.

    99. Re:Make something unbreakable... by Cimexus · · Score: 1

      Or to put it another way - I'm not jailbroken on my iPhone, and I do not pay a fee to tether. On your provider, you may need to pay a fee to tether (with any phone, not just an iPhone). The only difference is the carrier. How is the carrier ~not~ therefore the root cause of you having to pay this fee?

      Sure, Apple is an ~enabler~ in this case. Their firmware allows the carriers to charge this fee in the first place. But at the end of the day, it's still the carrier doing it. And as stated above, ~any~ phone your carrier sells you will come with firmware that allows them to do this, not just iPhones. Why would they impose a tethering fee on their plans and then sell phones that allow you to tether without checking you are able to? That makes no sense, unless they sell 'iPhone only' plans that are completely separate from their other plans, which providers in this country at least don't do - they sell you a plan/SIM card and you put it in any phone you want)

    100. Re:Make something unbreakable... by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      Whoops. You're a generation off.

      The iPhone 3G had some problems running iOS 4.0 (4.1 supposedly helped considerably). The 3GS runs iOS 4.x just fine--I have one and it works fine.

    101. Re:Make something unbreakable... by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      Ok, point taken. I got misled by an apparent contradiction in your post.

      But the US HTC Desires (forgot the carrier) that I have seen, even unlocked and unrooted, allow the "wifi hotspot". Is it not true for all carriers?

      Not sure about tethering directly, though the wifi hotspot is even more convenient to "steal" bandwidth these days with laptops replacing most desktops - and laptops typically have wifi receiver.

      On the other hand, iOS doesn't have the hotspot feature (last I checked). Even in countries where it is sold unlocked. Since iPhone hardware supports this, jailbroken iPhones can install an application for the feature.

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    102. Re:Make something unbreakable... by Cimexus · · Score: 1

      Firstly, iOS has had the hotspot feature for quite some time (since iOS 4.2 I think). Prior to that, yep you needed to jailbreak to do it. But it's built-in as standard now and allows up to 5 other wifi devices to leech off the phone's 3G connection. You can also directly tether to a single device via bluetooth or USB, as always.

      My carrier used to charge a fee for tethering (but doesn't any more). However the phones themselves didn't 'know' this. I always had the tethering/hotspot options visible on both my iPhone and my Android phone (even on plans that didn't permit tethering). However if I tried to USE it (and hadn't paid for tethering), it simply wouldn't work (the carrier's APN for tethering would obviously perform a check to see if the person trying to use it was allowed to, and if not, simply wouldn't let any data pass). Wouldn't work on iOS, wouldn't work on Android, wouldn't work on Blackberry.

      So it wasn't restricted on the ~phone~, per se, it was restricted on the carrier's APN/servers. When the carrier decided to stop charging for tethering, I suppose they simply changed the configuration on the APN to allow people on any plan to connect, and it just 'started working'. (Now in fact you have got around this earlier if your carrier was sloppy like mine was, by manually changing the APN used for tethering to one that's used for normal data access - but this can be done on Android or iOS out of the box, no jailbreaking/rooting required. You just change the APN settings. Fiddling with APNs has other benefits too since on my carrier the tethering APN gives you a proper public IP and the regular one gives you a NAT'ed address).

      BUT ... having said that I know that on iOS at least, in some markets, the carrier file data that iTunes downloads when you initially activate the phone (based on the SIM card you have in it) does have the ability to actually physically HIDE options from the UI. I've seen it on iPhones while travelling in America which are missing a bunch of the normal settings that should normally be present in the Settings (the manual network selection, APN settings and the hotspot/tethering options are a few that spring to mind that I've seen absent from US iPhones - it really catches your eye if you're really used to seeing the 'standard' options screen in iOS ... things are in the 'wrong' order and place due to the missing stuff).

      Which makes me start to understand why iOS is perceived as being a lot more "locked down" than (default) Android firmware in the US. In the US, the iPhone comes network-locked and the AT&T carrier file that iTunes downloads when you initially activate it hides some settings from the UI. In other places an iPhone is just like any other phone. You buy it from Apple, or another vendor, take it home, and pop your choice of SIM card into it (which is associated with a plan on some GSM provider). It doesn't hide the tethering/hotspot option or the network settings/selection stuff, because it has no idea what network you're going to use it on (so control of that stuff has to be done on the carrier side of things, and that will affect you no matter what phone you're using). The carrier does not know or care what phone you use on their plan. It just knows that you are connecting using a GSM phone and whether or not to permit a tethering-type connection to that phone.

      My iPhone and Android phones have always been purchased outright (not from a carrier) and unlocked. Most people here hate locked phones and 2 year contracts etc ... they like the ability to to switch networks regularly since we have 5 or 6 GSM providers and they are constantly updating their plans to compete with each other. I'd hate to be stuck on a plan from any of the carriers from 2 years ago - they would be very poor value by today's standards. Plus I travel frequently and need the ability to put foreign SIM cards in when I get to a country without any fuss. So I admit I may have jumped to iOSes defence too quickly. It does inde

    103. Re:Make something unbreakable... by jorgevillalobos · · Score: 1

      You're probably talking about the 3GS, which is a different model. Those are still available, yes.

    104. Re:Make something unbreakable... by node+3 · · Score: 1

      Your point is, rather, that Apple is above all criticism and that no one should ever do so.

      No, my point is that the criticism Apple faces on Slashdot is absurd. "Apple is the biggest pusher of every concept that's ever been criticized on Slashdot."?

      The *only* reason for the Apple-hate is the App Store lock-in, which no one cares about outside of Slashdot. Once Apple locked the iPhone, and Google opened theirs more (but not fully), the Slashdot Asperger's crew completely flipped. Now Apple is evil.

      I gave numerous examples of Slashdot stupidity with regards to Apple. I left out quite a few, like that Apple is going to stop selling Macs.

      The consumer is Apple's customer, and the consumer is Google's product

      The buyer of these devices is a product for BOTH of them.

      Nice try, but that's not what I wrote. iAds, and anything like it where the consumer is a product, not the customer, is extremely minor. The primary iPhone customer for Apple is the consumer, while the product is the iPhone itself. The primary customer for the Android OS for Google is the handset maker, and the primary product is the user who they sell to advertisers.

      But hey, you assumed immediately that I am an Android/Google fan which means that you're as blind as you claim others to be.

      Your premise is flawed. I never said you were an Android/Google fan, and even if I did, it would not make me just as blind as the anti-Apple crowd here. The anti-Apple nonsense here goes *way* beyond just mistaken identity. Your post goes way beyond it. It goes far into hyperbole-land. Hell, even just calling you an Android "fan" would have been so mild here as to be unnoticeable! Here, I get called *much* worse when I state simple, straightforward facts, like that iOS has outsold Android OS by around 2-to-1, and that the iPhone alone has outsold Android in its entirety, as of the most recent numbers (which are now only two months old).

      They push DRM on everything but music.

      Like everyone else! And their DRM is just about as invisible as can be.

      They push their own implementation of "trusted computing" in its worst form (with the user marked as a hostile entity) with no ability to opt out.

      "Worst form"? You mean, they implement it in a way that works? Because there's no malware for non-jailbroken iPhones, and has been plenty of malware for Android. And the user has *never* been "marked as a hostile entity". This is just inane Slashdot hyperbole.

      They actively work with and support the RIAA and MPAA, who work very, very hard with their member companies to sue their own customers.

      Nice try, but Apple does absolutely *nothing* to support the RIAA and MPAA with suing the customers (this is a variation on the theme of "will Apple turn you in for piracy on iCloud?"). On the other hand, they deal with those two organizations because they sell music and video. Apple isn't responsible for the system under which they must exist.

      If you do *one thing* they don't like, you're evil, no appeal go directly to the 'we hate you' category.
      So as I said, you believe that Apple is above criticism and attack me instead of addressing my points.

      No, Apple is not above criticism. But "criticism" does not mean vagaries "Apple is the biggest pusher of every concept that's ever been criticized on Slashdot."

      It's extremely dishonest of you to say I "attacked" you (I guess *you're* above criticism, by your own logic here?) instead of addressing your points, when you didn't even make any specific point (but got +4, as of now, for a post solely for attacking Apple), just one very vague one (that Apple is the worst company in the eyes of Slashdot), and I addressed it very, very well. I also attacked the ignorance from which your post comes.

      Your post was ignorant, lacking in content, and built on false premises. This post I'm replying to at least has content, so that's an improvement.

    105. Re:Make something unbreakable... by dwightk · · Score: 1

      you missed the sarcasm :D

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    106. Re:Make something unbreakable... by dokc · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately for them, this will just create more Android converts.

      No, they won't.

      People don't care about jail breaking.

      Name one legitimate reason to want to jailbreak your phone now days.

      Complete offtopic but:
      WTH is the parent rated Flambait despite saying something constructive and his Parent (an obvious Flambait) not?

      I suppose it's because nobody read the whole discussion during meta-moderation. Just clicking on plus or minus is not a point of meta-moderation, my dear slashdoters.

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  2. Was that summary autogenerated? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It sounds like a computer wrote it. Yes, Apple patched the flaw and added some extra checks to prevent that method from working again. Like most other post-jailbreak patches.

    1. Re:Was that summary autogenerated? by YodasEvilTwin · · Score: 2

      The grammar isn't good enough for it to be auto-generated.

    2. Re:Was that summary autogenerated? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      At least it was, for once, honest about what's happening. "Your shiny new Apple device had a SECURITY FLAW which allows an ATTACKER to EXPLOIT it and install MALWARE! Oh, and it also can be used to jailbreak the device." Surprise surprise... Apple patched it.

      It's not very often that you hear jailbreaking expressed in such bluntly realistic terms. It's exploiting a security hole. You know... the ones that Macs supposedly don't have which is why you don't need to install any antivirus or be careful about what you download or install on them...

    3. Re:Was that summary autogenerated? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The jailbreak devs always mention this. They also issue patches that can be installed on a jailbroken device to take care of the flaw, before Apple even has the opportunity to do. So for the past few weeks, the only people protected were those that jailbroke their devices.

  3. aaaand... by milbournosphere · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Re:aaaand... by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 2

      iOS X.Y.Z Prevents Hacking and Jailbreaking

      Until they move on to the next security flaw. Was, rinse, repeat.

    2. Re:aaaand... by casualsax3 · · Score: 0, Troll
      From TFA:

      Of course, you should still stick with 4.3.3 if you don't want to bother with re-jailbreaking anytime your phone shuts off.

      Or you should not buy an iPhone in the first place. Give your money to a vendor who deserves it.

    3. Re:aaaand... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A tethered jailbreak? No thank you. I'd rather stay on 4.3.3 and pull the fix for this bug from Cydia.

    4. Re:aaaand... by Psyborgue · · Score: 2

      Actually, it's just a tethered jailbreak, meaning you have to connect your device to your computer every time you want to restart it. I'd wait a week or two and check on the dev team blog for a full, un-tethered jailbreak. With an iPad, tethered is not so bad given the battery live and non-critical nature of the device, but on a phone... I'd stick with 4.3.3 or whatever you're on unless you carry a backup phone you can stick the sim card into.

    5. Re:aaaand... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and which vendor is that?

    6. Re:aaaand... by pookemon · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm sorry - Apple have patent on taking your money, so the "Vendor who deserves it" is in violation of one of Apples patents and will be sent a cease and desist notice.

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    7. Re:aaaand... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      htc

    8. Re:aaaand... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      I'm sorry - Apple have patent on taking your money, so the "Vendor who deserves it" is in violation of one of Apples patents and will be sent a cease and desist notice.

      Please. Microsoft totally has prior art on that, and they did a much better implementation.

    9. Re:aaaand... by ProfM · · Score: 1
      Or you should not buy an iPhone in the first place. Give your money to a vendor who deserves it.

      Why would I want to give money to Microsoft to get an HTC Android phone? Fortunately, there are other choices for the moment.

    10. Re:aaaand... by Microlith · · Score: 1

      Maybe yours, but apparently you place no value on what you gain from a jailbreak.

    11. Re:aaaand... by gutnor · · Score: 3

      un-tethered jailbreak

      So you hope to see another way that any website can get root access to your device and change the operating system without the connected user consent ? An you consider that a plus on a "critical"(your word) device like your phone ??

      -Mind blows-

    12. Re:aaaand... by smash · · Score: 4, Insightful

      iphone does everything i want in a phone and doesn't feel like it is made of cheese like all the samsung/htc devices i have encountered. so, as far as i'm concerned, apple deserve my money.

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    13. Re:aaaand... by NiceGeek · · Score: 2

      Which is what exactly? Seems to me that as time passes, the value gained from jailbreaking becomes less and less.

    14. Re:aaaand... by smash · · Score: 1, Troll

      and what DO you get from a jailbreak exactly? I jailbroke my 3g-s a long time back, and other than novelty shitware noticed nothing of value so i haven't bothered since.

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    15. Re:aaaand... by countertrolling · · Score: 1

      It's always best to "uuuse the source" Second hand news is just so.. ordinary

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    16. Re:aaaand... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HTC. They actually stated they won't be locking bootloaders, signing kernels, or any other BS.

      I'm glad to have one, and swear by that brand -- I had a Windows Mobile smartphone last from 2006 to 2010 with them in daily use until I bought an Android phone.

      Of course, if Motorola would stop encrypting bootloaders, I'd give money to them too. If the Atrix were hackable with a custom ROM and Linux distro... it would just plain rock.

    17. Re:aaaand... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They do deserve it. The iOS ecosystem is incredibly useful and well done, and that's saying nothing of the hardware quality.

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    18. Re:aaaand... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If only there were a vendor who deserved it by building the most useful phone and making it open. Until then I'll go with the best device for the largest number of my uses...that currently turns out to be the iPhone but I'm sure 10 years from now it won't be.

    19. Re:aaaand... by toleraen · · Score: 1

      Here I would have thought that at least one time in the last 30 years Apple (or any other major manufacturer) would have paid Microsoft for something, at some point, whose costs would have been passed on to the consumer. That's never happened? Crazy!

    20. Re:aaaand... by Microlith · · Score: 1, Troll

      Actual ownership of your device. Sorta like how your PC doesn't try and fight you.

      I understand that accepting total vendor control over things is the cool thing on Slashdot these days (especially among iProduct fans,) so I'll just leave you to your walled and barred garden.

    21. Re:aaaand... by Psyborgue · · Score: 1

      Good lord no. I don't hope to see such an exploit (though some exploit may be necessary to discover at some future point to jailbreak, for example, IOS5). The browser exploit used for the 4.3.3 jailbreak is only one method to jailbreak a device (a convenient one). Normally you plug it into your computer and run a program such as redpois0n to jailbreak the device, or you can load a pre-jailbroken custom firmware created using a tool such as pwnage tool or sn0wbreeze. Browser exploits are (almost) never a good thing. "Un-tethered" in the IOS jailbreaking lexicon simply means you can reboot your device without having to connect it to the computer.

    22. Re:aaaand... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's been jailbroken: http://gizmodo.com/5821905/ios-434-has-been-jailbroken

      I swear if this takes any longer next time, I'm switching to Android.

    23. Re:aaaand... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      iOS 5 will be out in a few months. There probably won't be an untethered JB until then. Why burn a exploit for such a minor update?

    24. Re:aaaand... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I gain a lot of value from jailbreaking:

      1: Blocking apps that phone home. A number of apps are pretty much dumb re-directors to the app vendor website.

      2: Backing up my saved games, so I can delete the app from my phone. Angry Birds stores the saves in the Documents folder in its jail, but not all apps do that. So, AppBackup or Pkgbackup are handy, so I can archive a game, perhaps play it later on if it gets updated and levels added.

      3: iBlackList. The iPhone has no way to block people whom you don't want to speak to. With this Cydia app, they go to voicemail, get a busy signal, or the phone gets picked up and hung up on.

      4: The ability to ssh into the device, and use it for critical files without needing iTunes.

      5: The ability to kill all background apps and wipe Safari's cookies, history, and caches with just one gesture.

      6: A real UNIX command shell.

      7: Small things like allowing FaceTime to work over a 3G connection.

    25. Re:aaaand... by dimeglio · · Score: 1

      Might be jailbroken but at least the PDF problem is fixed.

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    26. Re:aaaand... by grub · · Score: 2, Insightful


      Ever own a Blackberry or Android phone with locked down bootloader?

      The fact is the bulk of devices we "own", we don't get the goods for. I didn't get the code for my microwave oven or TV set or HD set top box, et al. ad nauseum.

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    27. Re:aaaand... by jcombel · · Score: 2

      i jailbroke mine to run tethering software without having to pay the carrier a fee to use the data i already paid for

      then i switched to the n1, and no longer had to power off the device -> hold home button and power button till i see the logo -> let go of home button -> plug in USB etc etc etc to be able to run software i wanted. i owned my device right out the box.

    28. Re:aaaand... by mike_art03a · · Score: 1

      Been done, look it up in the XDA Developers Forums. Bought mine Friday, unlocked the bootloader, flashed it and it's running like a kitten with the Pudding ROM with the Debian Webtop mod. Webtop Mod w/Full Debian Install - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1093790 Unlocking and flashing your Atrix - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1136261

    29. Re:aaaand... by Microlith · · Score: 1

      Ever own a Blackberry or Android phone with locked down bootloader?

      Nope, can't say I have. Never wanted a Blackberry, and I won't touch Motorola or any device with a locked down bootloader with a 10m pole.

      The fact is the bulk of devices we "own", we don't get the goods for. I didn't get the code for my microwave oven or TV set or HD set top box, et al. ad nauseum.

      Did I say source code? No, I don't think I did.

    30. Re:aaaand... by carlzum · · Score: 1

      I just got an HTC Sensation, and while I don't plan to root it, I like the option. My phone has a signed bootloader, but HTC announced they would unlock it later this year.

    31. Re:aaaand... by blakecraw · · Score: 1

      No I haven't ever owned a Blackberry or Android phone with a locked down bootloader. And I don't put any personal information in my microwave oven, or TV set, or HD set top box. Or my et al. ad nauseum either.

    32. Re:aaaand... by RMingin · · Score: 1

      Not new, not special and not noteworthy.

      There are two flaws in the bootloader for all the pre-iPad2 devices. They are commonly referred to by the names of the exploits against them, SHAtter and GreenPois0n. These will not ever be patched by Apple, they are too low level. This means that every iDevice before the iPad2 has a jailbreak for life.

      On the other hand, the bootloader exploits will only give you a tethered (needs a computer to help boot) jailbreak, so if you're on 4.3.3 or have saved SHSHs for it, STAY THERE. 4.3.4 offers you nothing but a restriction.

      Likewise, all the iOS 5 betas have been jailbroken by the same method, and give the same tethered JB. We need iOS 5 to go gold, and for a nice untether or escalation to be found in it.

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    33. Re:aaaand... by BitZtream · · Score: 0

      Actual ownership of your device. Sorta like how your PC doesn't try and fight you.

      What does that mean? I'm pretty sure I own it. I do pretty much anything I want with it. There is no reason for me to jail break it. You're only reason seems to be 'because'

      Pre-3.0 I would be all for jail breaking as it had no tethering, since 3.0, there hasn't been a single legitimate reason to haxors it, every reason you can come up with is either a silly temper tantrum sort of thing or just an excuse to steal in one way or another.

      Name one actual real reason to jail break.

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    34. Re:aaaand... by CoolVC · · Score: 1

      Reasons to jailbreak-
      Custom SMS sounds (though I hear that is fixed in iOS 5)
      Developing applications for your own device.

    35. Re:aaaand... by Microlith · · Score: 0

      I do pretty much anything I want with it.

      Up until you want to run software that isn't Apple approved. Say any sort of Free Software (go ahead, call me names.) But if you don't wander outside Apple's walled garden I can see how you'd miss it.

      You're only reason seems to be 'because'

      That's why people put NetBSD on toasters, right? Why should I need any greater reason?

      every reason you can come up with is either a silly temper tantrum sort of thing or just an excuse to steal in one way or another.

      Ah yes, the old "You're a damned dirty HACKER CRIMINAL if you jailbreak!" response from Apple fans is quite amusing, but old.

    36. Re:aaaand... by thunderclap · · Score: 1

      That's because you didn't look for the code for your TV, set top box or microwave. And by the way, until recently they were electrical devices that could be understood with a basic manual. All are not deliberately locked (well the Visio 3d TVs are but that wasn't the point).
      Blackberry phones were mostly for texting, email and calling. Not apps.

    37. Re:aaaand... by Microlith · · Score: 2

      You jailbroke it so you could steal something you did not pay for.

      It is a retarded distinction, and you're as bad as the phone companies for trying to defend it.

      you're just a simple thief

      And you're a ridiculous authoritarian. Please stop accusing people of being something they aren't.

    38. Re:aaaand... by andydread · · Score: 2

      All the things you want your phone to do is not all the things everyone wants their phone to do. Some people like to tether without having to pay a stupid fee for something that has been basic since feature phones. Some people like to have other options from which to install software, some people like to have the ability to use apps that compete with the apps the phone vendor has supplied without hearing a bullshit excuse about "duplicate functionlality" So your needs are not exactly everyone elses needs.

    39. Re:aaaand... by ulzeraj · · Score: 1

      Well... I wish I could play my FLAC files in my iPod Touch without having to convert them to mp3 or aac. Seriously, why the hell Apple still refuses to add FLAC support for iTunes and iOS? Thats just silly.

    40. Re:aaaand... by exomondo · · Score: 1

      Name one actual real reason to jail break.

      FaceTime over 3G.

    41. Re:aaaand... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Or you should not buy an iPhone in the first place. Give your money to a vendor who deserves it.

      Why would I want to give money to Microsoft to get an HTC Android phone? Fortunately, there are other choices for the moment.

      Well, I'm sure you're happy paying Microsoft for the ActiveSync functionality inside iOS... I guess there's always Symbian!

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    42. Re:aaaand... by Killerchronic · · Score: 1

      They can't prevent jailbraking on current devices expcept the ipad 2 (as it doesnt have the exploit) from what i understand, geohot's lime rain exploit is not patchable. http://theiphonewiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Limera1n

    43. Re:aaaand... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sorry mate but the tethering fee is NOT an iOS issue. I can tether my iPhone to any of my devices and not pay a fee and I haven't even jailbroken it and refuse to to do because there is no legitimate need to. The tethering fee seems to be an American and Canadian thing not a rest of world thing.

      Don't blame Apple blame your crappy cell companies.

    44. Re:aaaand... by MightyYar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actual ownership of your device. Sorta like how your PC doesn't try and fight you.

      You betray your influence... :) You seem to see the iPhone as a PC in phone form. I think most see it as a phone with some extra features, or at least an appliance of some sort. People don't "own" their car software, dishwasher software, oven software, fridge software, TV software, etc. The PC is the exception to the rule. It's not necessarily "evil" for an appliance-style device to be locked down - it all depends on the end user. Some people still get pissed that they can't service their $5 FM radio...

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    45. Re:aaaand... by Cimexus · · Score: 5, Informative

      I can tether my iPhone (via Bluetooth or USB to a single device, or via Wifi to up to 5 devices), without a fee. Your ~telephone company~ may charge you a fee for doing it. My carrier doesn't charge for it (actually I don't think any major carriers here do - some of them used to, but people bitched about it too much and they got rid of the fees). But it has nothing to do with the phone itself. Complain about your carrier, not the phone or OS.

      There are legitimate arguments to be made against Apple's/iOS's restrictions. But that is not one of them. The rest of your points are very valid but it hurts your argument somewhat to lead off with a falsehood - makes you sound like a blind Apple-hater that doesn't care about the actual facts.

    46. Re:aaaand... by Dynedain · · Score: 3, Informative

      Untethered Jailbreak doesn't mean what you seem to think it does.

      Tethered jailbreaks require you to connect to a computer every time you reboot in order to jailbreak. Untethered jailbreaks are persistant through iOS power cycles.

      The browser exploit is one way to jailbreak (and because of the attack vector, a very important one to block). But it is not the only way to have an untethered jailbreak.

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    47. Re:aaaand... by tepples · · Score: 1

      You seem to see the iPhone as a PC in phone form.

      But "a PC in phone form" or "a PC in pocket-size media player form" is exactly what some people want.

    48. Re:aaaand... by smash · · Score: 1

      My carrier allows me to do this without jailbreaking. Get a carrier that doesn't suck.

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    49. Re:aaaand... by NicknamesAreStupid · · Score: 1

      From TFA:

      Of course, you should still stick with 4.3.3 if you don't want to bother with re-jailbreaking anytime your phone shuts off.

      Or you should not buy an iPhone in the first place. Give your money to a vendor who deserves it.

      Yes, why not buy a Samsung Android phone and send $15 to Microsoft - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/07/06/motorola_samsung_patent_shakedown/ .

    50. Re:aaaand... by kevinmenzel · · Score: 1

      And you aren't locked down in terms of apps on the Blackberry anyway. Worst case scenario is you sideload them just fine from your PC.

    51. Re:aaaand... by exomondo · · Score: 1

      You didn't pay to use the data on something other than the phone, you paid for unlimited data for use on your phone. It may be a retarded distinction, but thats what you paid for. You jailbroke it so you could steal something you did not pay for.

      What a load of crap. You see other phones allow tethering, my sim card works in those phones and there is nothing (contractual or otherwise) to stop me using that sim card in those phones and tethering so i can use that net connection on my laptop. So i'm not sure where you get the basis for your assertions but they are complete bullshit.

    52. Re:aaaand... by exomondo · · Score: 1

      Why would I want to give money to Microsoft to get an HTC Android phone?

      Well why would i want to give Nokia or Lodsys or Amazon or numerous others money to get an iPhone? You see Apple - like everyone else - aren't the inventors of everything in the products they sell you and as a result some of the money you give them goes to the people who did invent those technologies.

    53. Re:aaaand... by yuhong · · Score: 1

      I once read Techrights (originally called Boycott Novell) often and still remember that well. Then the news came that MS is suing B&N, and...

    54. Re:aaaand... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The tethering thing depends on your provider and the plan they sold you, not on the phone.
      As long as I stay within the cap, I don't pay a cent when I tether... I'm not sure I understand your rant here.

    55. Re:aaaand... by smash · · Score: 2

      how about, rather than buy a phone that doesn't do what you want it to do in a supported manner, buy one that does? or get a telco who doesn't suck? I tether with no fees. If you want to be able to install any random unsigned binaries, go get an android phone. the IOS world is a closed ecosystem by design, and i for one don't mind that because it means that the software i am installing, and that my users are installing is validated as not being malware by apple. its a feature - if you don't like that feature fair enough, but rather than bitching about the design features of the device, maybe go buy one that fits your usage pattern?

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    56. Re:aaaand... by E+IS+mC(Square) · · Score: 0

      Your argument sucks. How about not replying to comments you don't like? Oh, but you replied, instead of reading some comment you agreed to.

    57. Re:aaaand... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sorry, I can tether my iPhone all I want, without any fees whatsoever. This must be an american telco thing.

      Apple is the wrong corporate overlord to blame, this time.

    58. Re:aaaand... by smash · · Score: 1

      I'm not replying to "comments I don't like". I'm pointing out the stupid nature of making purchase of a device that does not fit your usage pattern. Its no secret that IOS is a closed ecosystem. It never has been open, apple do not plan to open it, and for many users this is a DESIRABLE FEATURE. If this is not a feature you want, then buy a phone that does not have this feature. Rather than bitching about apple fixing security vulnerabilities.

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    59. Re:aaaand... by FxChiP · · Score: 1

      You seem to see the iPhone as a PC in phone form. I think most see it as a phone with some extra features, or at least an appliance of some sort. ... It's not necessarily "evil" for an appliance-style device to be locked down - it all depends on the end user.

      The iPhone 4 has a 1 GHz A5 (ARM) CPU, 512 MB of RAM or so, wifi, bluetooth, and is capable of installing and running applications i.e. code written for the device -- and, on top of all that, multitasking it. It is, at its core, a computing device pretending to be an "appliance" as you call it. However, I don't believe that the presentation of a thing (like the iPhone presenting as an appliance) should necessarily define its entire purpose and utility, especially when it is capable of being and doing far more than it "appears" able to. For example, I'm fairly certain it has more than enough hardware power to be productively used as a wireless network penetration tester -- and the only thing standing between its user and that particular use is Apple's walled garden, and the fact that they don't want to allow the user the low-level control required for such a purpose. It could also be an ultra-low-power server or proxy with a built-in UPS, for example. Truth be told, there's not a whole lot that *can't* be done with it, but marginalizing it as an "appliance" and using that as an excuse to wrest control of a computing device away from the user seems like a really good way to squander some incredible opportunities and possibilities.

      That's not even beginning to get into the fact that the OS running on the phone is, itself, a heavily-modified and cut-down UNIX. In short, I don't see how an iPhone couldn't or shouldn't be thought of as a personal computing device, unless you're really willing to give up all of the benefits such a device would entail in such a form factor.

    60. Re:aaaand... by FxChiP · · Score: 1

      A point of correction, if anyone's interested:

      There are two flaws in the bootloader for all the pre-iPad2 devices. They are commonly referred to by the names of the exploits against them, SHAtter and GreenPois0n. These will not ever be patched by Apple, they are too low level. This means that every iDevice before the iPad2 has a jailbreak for life.

      Greenpois0n is the name of the tool that utilizes the exploit which is actually called "limera1n", coined by the exploit's discoverer and first implementer, geohot. These are exploits that have been found in the *mask* bootROM for all iDevices preceding the iPad 2; the code at that level has actually been permanently burned in and, in fact, cannot be changed. This is by design to preserve the first step in Apple's "chain of trust" loading.

    61. Re:aaaand... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only reason the carriers can charge for it is that Apple permits the arbitrary blocking of this service at their request and for their sole benefit. They have chosen sides and did not take yours.

      Same with emulation, alternative browsers, plugins, banned political/mature apps, and lots of other functionality people in this discussion don't even know about since they don't have something like cyanogenmod running... after 24 hours of using a real OS and seeing what they're missing, I think this debate would be over pretty quick.

    62. Re:aaaand... by MPAB · · Score: 1

      I get pissed when I have to break apart (not disassemble) a radio, walkman or MP3 player because the solder under the earphone jack (or to the batteries) has become loose.
      I get pissed when I have to spend $40 on a new power brick for my laptop because the cable has broken from the base of the plug and there's no electronics store left in my town to buy a new one.
      I get pissed when my $30 or more remote starts malfunctioning because of the dew under the chiclet keyboard and it cannot be opened without leaving permanent marks on it.
      I get pissed when I cannot get to the failing remote control key module inside my car because no one seems to know where can it be hidden. Or when I cannot make a working copy of the key without spending at the vendor, whilst knowing that most robbers will be able to start my car at will without the damned RFID.

      I know most things have become too complicated or miniaturized for hobbysts, but in most cases it's just that the appliances are sealed not to be serviceable anymore.

    63. Re:aaaand... by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 1

      Actually HTC devices are currently locked. HTC has pledged to unlock them in the future, but right now they are currently locked tighter than a virgin pussy.

      Motorola on the other hand, has already unlocked their devices. The Atrix specifically has received an update to become unlocked.

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    64. Re:aaaand... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Typical iDrone completely misses the point of the GP and instead nitpicks about a single issue that means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things.

    65. Re:aaaand... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Sadly, it's about the only thing they implemented better than anyone else.

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    66. Re:aaaand... by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      I know most things have become too complicated or miniaturized for hobbysts, but in most cases it's just that the appliances are sealed not to be serviceable anymore.

      I recently had this experience with an ultrasonic humidifier. It just needed a $1 fan replaced, but the damn thing needed a dremel to separate the base from the top to get to it.

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    67. Re:aaaand... by smash · · Score: 1

      no, there's plenty of stuff i COULD run on a phone that i don't give a shit about. its a phone that I want to work reliably to make/receive calls, conduct business and do light web browsing/maps on.

      Emulation, alternative browsers, porn, etc are not what I (nor many people) actually want a phone for.

      Requiring code signing keeps out a lot of malware (just look at the recent android outbreak). Its a trade off, and for me, the closed ecosystem is a win. For this device. If you don't like it there are plenty of other options, but for many IOS is more desirable than android BECAUSE of the code signing requirement.

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    68. Re:aaaand... by Cimexus · · Score: 1

      Apple "permits" the arbitrary blocking of this service in the same way as virtually all firmware-makers (for any type of phone) do. Most phone firmware is able to hide/show/enable/disable certain features, such as tethering, based on the content of the carrier data file. This is not limited to iOS or Apple. Out of the box, most smartphones obey these restrictions.

      My provider used to charge for tethering on some of their plans. It didn't matter whether you used an iPhone, an Android phone, a Blackberry or anything else on those plans - they still charged you for tethering, and those phones obeyed the setting in the carrier data file that said "disallow tethering". Now on Android you could flash a different firmware (like cyanogenmod) to get around this, of course, but similarly, you can jailbreak iOS to do this as well. In either case you had to do ~something~ to get around it - the factory standard firmware did not initially allow it on either type of phone.

      I will agree with you on the other points (greater choice of software to install etc.), but I really don't see how factory-standard iOS firmware is any different than factory-standard firmware for other phones, most of which DO allow the carrier to restrict tethering etc.

    69. Re:aaaand... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i'm sure you would have felt that mussolini deserved your support because he made the trains run on time.

    70. Re:aaaand... by andydread · · Score: 1

      In the United States Of America you do not have to Jailbreak your phone in order for it to show up as an access point so that it can be tethered. I have a Dell streak and my phone is not rooted/jailbroken and I can tether with up to 8 devices at the same time. I can install alternatives to the applications that the vendor has installed. I am not told by the phone vendor that apps that compete with them are "duplicate functionality" and therefore I don't need those apps.

    71. Re:aaaand... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      My Samsung Galaxy S does everything I want and is compatible with my hand. No bumper required.

      Amazingly different people want different things. 10 people, 10 colours as the Japanese say. Given the choice I'd rather be able to load on any cool app I find in the future, rather than having to hope that Apple allow me to have it.

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    72. Re:aaaand... by master_p · · Score: 1

      The PC is the exception to the rule.

      It is not. Commercial PC software is not own by the buyer, the buyer is simply granted rights to use the software for the purposes described in the EULA.

    73. Re:aaaand... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I certainly would be pissed if my fridge refused to accept meat because Steve Jobs is a vegetarian.

      This is exactly the same situation as with DRM. No-one cares until they day they want to do something prohibited.

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    74. Re:aaaand... by Grizzley9 · · Score: 1

      You didn't pay to use the data on something other than the phone, you paid for unlimited data for use on your phone. It may be a retarded distinction, but thats what you paid for. You jailbroke it so you could steal something you did not pay for.

      You can call it any number of things but you're just a simple thief, and apparently one who isn't even capable of finding an untethered jailbreak.

      And you are ignorant. Only US carriers like AT&T charge extra for such things like tethering. No where else in the world do the phone companies charge for tethering, even on iPhones (see numerous posts below). It is greedy phone companies like AT&T. So by the world standard, yes we did pay for unlimited, no matter how we use it and you are wrong.

    75. Re:aaaand... by Microlith · · Score: 1

      You seem to see the iPhone as a PC in phone form.

      Because that's what it is. Only difference is form factor, use case, and power envelope.

      I think most see it as a phone with some extra features, or at least an appliance of some sort.

      Most people seem to see it that way, but then they see their PC as a black box as well. But because most see it that way, it does not follow that all people see it that way. And more importantly, it is not merely the iPhone but all mobile devices that I see in this manner (tablets, smartphones, etc.)

      People don't "own" their car software, dishwasher software, oven software, fridge software, TV software, etc

      I didn't say anything about owning the software. I meant having the ability to do as one wishes without having to fight the vendor. People can replace the software on their car (many companies specialize in it), and the others (assuming they have software) could probably be done but there is little interest in it at the moment. I suspect we will see TV companies fight their users though.

      It's not necessarily "evil" for an appliance-style device to be locked down - it all depends on the end user.

      Well, look at what you just said. "it all depends on the end user." For Apple, at least in their perspective it doesn't. All users are locked down and it is non-negotiable.

    76. Re:aaaand... by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Because that's what it is. Only difference is form factor, use case, and power envelope.

      Is that all? LOL...

      People can replace the software on their car (many companies specialize in it)

      You might say that they "jailbreak" it.

      Well, look at what you just said. "it all depends on the end user." For Apple, at least in their perspective it doesn't. All users are locked down and it is non-negotiable.

      That's not what I meant. I meant, it all depends on the perspective of the end user. Apple is not after the hardware geek market. Most of their users are looking for an email/web/video toaster. That is the market they cater to, and thus far the market has rewarded them handsomely. This does not make the iOS "evil" - it is simply a matter of supply and demand. It is not what you are looking for, and that is fine - but far from evil.

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    77. Re:aaaand... by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      I certainly would be pissed if my fridge refused to accept meat because Steve Jobs is a vegetarian.

      I'd argue that this is a bad analogy. Your fridge runs some kind of program. It keeps shit cold. Have you ever thought, "damn, this fridge sucks - I can't screw around with the temperature cycle!" Don't you think that someone with experience in temperature control or the food industry has maybe thought this? Why is your fridge different from a cell phone.

      It's all perspective - you are a geek interested in dicking with your phone. Fair enough. But you don't want to dick with the program in your fridge. Also cool. But why judge people who just want a phone appliance, or the company that supplies said appliance?

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    78. Re:aaaand... by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      LOL, but I don't like EULAs!

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    79. Re:aaaand... by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      You are kind of proving my point! :)

      I agree with you, as a geek, that all of those things are worthy uses of a kick-ass low-power pocket computer. However, it IS a phone. It is marketed as nothing but a phone. If you really want to dick with it, you can jailbreak it. AND, there is competition with similar hardware that is also ripe for dicking around with.

      In short, while I understand the frustration with Apple, I don't think lashing out at them for responding (very successfully) to market demand is really warranted.

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    80. Re:aaaand... by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      But "a PC in phone form" or "a PC in pocket-size media player form" is exactly what some people want.

      That's true, but it's not very many people (in percentage terms). Apple has decided not to go after that market. You may disagree with them, but they are very successful in the market they have chosen. I understand geeks getting frustrated by having a device that is so close to their ideal, but frankly jailbreaking the thing is only a minor inconvenience.

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    81. Re:aaaand... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I'm not arguing against having a phone that "just works" like an appliance. That doesn't really describe the iPhone though because a major part of it is the apps. Because you can only get apps through the app store Apple dictates which ones you can have. They also have a large influence on the price and how you pay, since app store fees and payment methods are mandatory.

      I have a few non-market apps on my Android phone. One is an EnglishJapanese dictionary bought through a web site. The BBC has been offering an app to build up a coverage map of the UK recently, installable directly from their web site. Ordinary users do make use of this feature.

      I have noticed that some manufacturers are starting to lock out unofficial replacement consumables like batteries. Of course that sort of thing is already rife in the printer market. To be fair to Apple I expected them to jump on that bandwagon long ago, but so far they have resisted. Sony cameras have no though and I see that sort of thing as being exactly the same as locking out unapproved apps.

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    82. Re:aaaand... by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Because you can only get apps through the app store Apple dictates which ones you can have. They also have a large influence on the price and how you pay, since app store fees and payment methods are mandatory.

      I think they'd argue that they are controlling the user experience. They can make sure the apps are all somewhat consistent so that the store is easy to use. Having only one store also simplifies things - there's no web surfing trying to figure out where to get such-and-such app.

      Ordinary users do make use of this feature.

      Not on an iPhone :)

      So what happens when a vulnerability is found in the BBC coverage app? Can a new version of the app be pushed out? Can it be remotely disabled? Did they use APIs that make the phone more vulnerable? If it were distributed through a controlled app store and certain minimum features were enforced, they would have options. Android is the wild west.... perfect for geeks and even perfectly usable for most smartphone users, even more capable than the iPhone - but not quite as polished a user experience as the iPhone. Just because you don't value user experience as highly in the hierarchy of desired features doesn't mean it's a wrong choice.

      Sony cameras have no though and I see that sort of thing as being exactly the same as locking out unapproved apps.

      Again, I don't want to defend all manufacturers - or even just Apple - with a blanket statement, but I can certainly see an argument for locking things like unauthorized batteries out. Battery quality control has been a headache for these companies, causing fires in their laptops. They certainly can and do abuse the ability to lock out competition (like with printer ink!), but there is at least a basis their argument. Even with printer ink, you can buy the more expensive printers meant for office settings and the refills are quite reasonable. The cheap (or free) printers need expensive ink because they don't make any money on the printer.

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    83. Re:aaaand... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      So what happens when a vulnerability is found in the BBC coverage app? Can a new version of the app be pushed out? Can it be remotely disabled? Did they use APIs that make the phone more vulnerable?

      Yes, it can be updated by the BBC and remotely disabled by Google if found to be malware. Apps installed from outside the market go through the same installation procedure, complete with description of the services they have access to. They can only access the same APIs as apps on the market.

      Another point is that Google allows apps which require root access onto the market. Google's own phones and many third party ones are not locked down and can easily be rooted by simply downloading an app from the market itself.

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    84. Re:aaaand... by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Yes, it can be updated by the BBC and remotely disabled by Google if found to be malware.

      Cool, that's a neat new feature I wasn't aware of (I've never had the opportunity to play with an Android 3.0 phone... do they sell them yet?). I was only aware of the method when you have to enable the "Unknown Sources" setting, which is obviously not a good idea unless you know what you are doing.

      Google's own phones and many third party ones are not locked down and can easily be rooted by simply downloading an app from the market itself.

      Apple phones are easy to root as well. I don't think we need to go there.

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    85. Re:aaaand... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Well to install from anywhere other than the market you need to enable the "unknown sources" setting, but there is no danger in doing so. As I say, you get the same options and warnings about what the app can do as you would if you installed via the market.

      Having said that it is possible to link directly to apps in the market via a URL, so some people just put a link on their site. Even if installed from outside the market the app can still update though, and because of the way the namespace works it will tie up with the same app in the market automatically.

      My point about rooting Android phones is that Google supports it. They allow rooting apps and apps that need root to work on the market. No need to fight Apple or use exploits. Correct me if I'm wrong but at the moment the current version of iOS requires the phone to be connected to a PC to root, and then it reverts after reboot.

      Google's own phones have an unlocked boot loader so you can easily replace the entire OS with a custom ROM if you are so inclined.

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      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    86. Re:aaaand... by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      I'm currently trying to screw around with all of the "smart" phone OSs out there, just 'cause I'm a big fat dork. I found the jailbreak on Apple to be very easy - just downloaded a free app that told me exactly what to do and when. When I was done, bam, unlocked jailbroken phone. The problem you describe is called a a "tethered" jailbreak, meaning you need to tether it to a PC any time you want to reboot it in a rooted state. This sometimes is the first way that people figure out how to jailbreak after a new release, but I think currently there are no problems doing an "untethered" jailbreak even with the latest firmware.

      I don't know the intricacies of the App Store on the iOS, but it seems that Apple has a similar link strategy to Google. You often click a button on a web site which directs you to the correct App Store page.

      I knew about the "sideloading" or whatever the Android lingo is for installing unknown sources. But then you are back to the PC model, where you have to be careful about what you download because of trojans/worms/viruses. I've rarely had problems on PCs except for one open source app that got compromised, but my parents and friends seem to always have some kind of malware haunting their systems. I think I can see how people would be willing to give up sideloading for added security.

      As a big fat dork (well, not that fat), I really do appreciated Google's openness. I'm going to grab myself an Android phone to play with next (haven't tried Gingerbread). I'm sure as a geek I'll enjoy dicking with the software. But I already can install almost anything on the iPhone, which is also running unix, so to a faux geek there is not much practical difference except for ideology. A true kernel hacking geek could do far more with Android, but that ain't me :)

      I also want to screw with a WebOS device.

      Blackberry wasn't much fun.

      Anyway, my point was only that Apple makes a device for a different market than "hardcore geek". They are targeting mass-market people with extra cash. Android targets those people as well, but mostly gets the geek and low-end markets. This makes neither company "good" or "evil" - just different marketing strategies.

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  4. No win situation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The main objective of this version is to prevent the hacking in Apple iOS devices which occurs through malicious pdf file. "

    Right - they aren't addressing a major security vulnerability. They just want to rain on your jailbreak parade.

    1. Re:No win situation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, sure, I want any random website to be able to root my phone. That's exactly what jailbreakme.com does and it could do it without my permission just by visiting the site if the authors wanted to do it. Yes, this is a MAJOR security vulnerability, even if it is currently only being used for good and not evil.

  5. written like a true indian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    iOS 5 will automatically detect and correct problems with your sentence structure that unfortunately turn people against you!

  6. Use of the word "device" by edfardos · · Score: 1

    In other news, pdf's may cause iOS devices to use the word "device" at least five times in a slashdot article.

  7. Prevent jailbreaking? by grimmjeeper · · Score: 1

    Yeah, let me know how that works out for you...

  8. You can still jailbreak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They only closed the PDF vulnerability, not any of the boot/kernel holes we've been using for a long while. And honestly using an active remote code execution vuln to jailbreak your device is like firing a rocket at your house because you forgot your keys.

    1. Re:You can still jailbreak by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      Except the iPad 2's not vulnerable to those attack vectors.

      That's the only reason why the PDF exploit was any sort of real news.

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    2. Re:You can still jailbreak by schnikies79 · · Score: 1

      The iPad 2 uses the A5 processor. It wouldn't surprise me if they are holding back a bootrom exploit until the next iPhone comes out, which will be using the A5 processor as well.

      The JB groups haven't said anything, so it's all speculation.

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  9. Terrible by Thinine · · Score: 0

    What a shitty summary and article. Seems like both were written by retarded 4th graders.

  10. What a stupid title by Haedrian · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Its as if this update solved all problems and will solve all problems in the future.

    "iOS 4.3.4 solves known pdf exploits"

    Would have made sense.

    None of this "Prevents Hacking and Jailbreaking" nonsense.

    1. Re:What a stupid title by Kenja · · Score: 4, Informative

      Better description would be "iOS 4.3.4 fixes known PDF security flaw".

      This is a good thing. If you can use the flaw to root your phone, then so could someone else. But then that would be a less sensationalist article.

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    2. Re:What a stupid title by Roogna · · Score: 2

      I wish I had mod points to mod this up. Yes it closes a hole that made for a convenient jailbreak. It also closes a hole that could have revealed any of the information on a phone to phishing sites... just because some grandmother opens a pdf emailed her in a spam? Yeah, wonder why Apple got a fix out for this pretty quick... it must be that evil jail breaking *rolls eyes*.

    3. Re:What a stupid title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you read the article? The whole thin is stupid. It's completely ignorant and unresearched.

    4. Re:What a stupid title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you guys read the article? It was shit. Seriously, check it out. It's bad.

      I don't think the person who wrote the article even spoke english, there were a few grammatical errors in the piece.

      "The main objective of this version is to prevent the hacking in Apple iOS devices which occurs through malicious pdf file."
      "In previous versions, the iOS device is easily vulnerable to attacks."

      What kind of shit journalism is this? FUCKING WRITE PROPERLY!!!!

    5. Re:What a stupid title by yuhong · · Score: 1

      Yea, look up the words "spear phishing". BTW, while last time with JailbreakMe 2.0 the FreeType flaw was only patched days ago, the FreeType flaw used in this version (I think) was patched in the upstream about 9 months ago.

    6. Re:What a stupid title by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      "iOS 4.3.4 solves known pdf exploits" Would have made sense. None of this "Prevents Hacking and Jailbreaking" nonsense.

      I would have titled it "Apple finally closes gaping security hole weeks after jailbreak community already patched it." PDF Patcher 2 has been out since at least July 6th. Of course, in order to install that vital security patch, you had to have jailbroken your iphone or ipad.

      Ironic that those who stayed inside the walled garden were less secure than those who didn't...

    7. Re:What a stupid title by anethema · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You know what is funny? The person who wrote the jailbreak (comex) also put a patch for the PDF flaw in the jailbroken debian APT system for the phone.

      The funny part is since iPhone 3G's and earlier iPod touches don't get firmware updates anymore, being jailbroken is the ONLY way to be free of this flaw in those earlier devices.

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    8. Re:What a stupid title by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      The funny part is since iPhone 3G's and earlier iPod touches don't get firmware updates anymore, being jailbroken is the ONLY way to be free of this flaw in those earlier devices.

      Gosh, and I thought I got a raw deal because my G4 mini isn't supported anymore.

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    9. Re:What a stupid title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is not true, If they cant update their firmware, then they are not on 4.3.3. So they don't have the pdf security flaw.

    10. Re:What a stupid title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The funny part is since iPhone 3's and earlier iPod touches don't get firmware updates anymore, being jailbroken is the ONLY way to be free of this flaw in those earlier devices.

      FTFY

      The 3G still get's firmware updates. Dunno if that'll change with iOS5 or not.

    11. Re:What a stupid title by Grizzley9 · · Score: 1

      This is a good thing. If you can use the flaw to root your phone, then so could someone else. But then that would be a less sensationalist article.

      How can you expect to get page views and clicks by having boring, non controversial titles??? How is CmdrTaco supposed to feed his kids if you guys don't read the stories and see ads??? Won't someone please think of the children???!!!

    12. Re:What a stupid title by anethema · · Score: 1

      Wrong. Man I hate replying to anon but this could be useful info.

      4.3.3 Available for: iOS 3.0 through 4.3.3 for iPhone 3GS and iPhone 4 (GSM model), iOS 3.1 through 4.3.3 for iPod touch (3rd generation) and later, iOS 3.2 through 4.3.3 for iPad.

      So, no. No 3G support. No iPod touch 2G support.

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    13. Re:What a stupid title by anethema · · Score: 1

      Wrong as well. The jailbreak is workable for 4.3x but comex has stated that the flaw exists in 4.x, he just did not feel like making the jailbreak (unionFS etc) support for older versions. If you have an iPhone 4, it has the flaw. If you have an iPhone 3G on 4.x, it has the flaw.

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      It's easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them.
    14. Re:What a stupid title by anethema · · Score: 1

      Ya once they hit 3 generations back, apple seems to drop support. So iPod touch 2nd Gen, and iPhone 3G no longer get firmware updates from Apple.

      Do many other Android devices for example get Manufacturer updates after being 3+ years old ? Genuinely curious. I don't mean xda-d firmware. You can always put hacked firmware on stuff.. Hell on the iPhone 3G you can put Android, no problem :D

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  11. Not for long by netdigger · · Score: 0

    I'll give them a week and a half of being unjailbreakable... Its going to happen

    1. Re:Not for long by CoolVC · · Score: 1

      A jailbreak is still available. You just have to plug it into a computer and run an application. This specific jailbreak was popular because all it required was to visit a website.

  12. maybe by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    I know how they can keep the hardware out of the hands of hackers. They should just sell an empty shell with the apple logo on it. It will still sell great!

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  13. Why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... is TFS linking to some obscure blog written in poor English with little details and no references?

  14. iOS device. iOS device iOS device iOS device. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    iOS device can do this. iOS device can do that. The iOS device does stuff when the iOS device is used to do stuff. The main objective of the iOS device is to iOS device the iOS device. Another object is to iOS device. In previous versions, iOS device. It happens because of iOS device. It is common to iOS device. Sometimes the iOS device is an iOS device.

  15. DRM = Increased Security? by tokyoahead · · Score: 0

    If Microsoft had a successful media market so that anyone hacking the OS would also have access to copy & distribute all the digital media on the system, we would have not to wait years to fix serious flaws in the system. No wonder companies see the iPhone as the first candidate for corporate smartphones today. The media content makes it more secure than their own network.

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    1. Re:DRM = Increased Security? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Sure, DRM increases security. It takes one huge variable out of the whole security mess: The user. If the user cannot run arbitrary code, he cannot run malicious code (provided the signing authority doesn't fuck up and sign malicious software).

      But he who trades liberty for security deserves neither.

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    2. Re:DRM = Increased Security? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      _Essential_ liberty for _temporary_ security. There was never any problem with trading away nonessential liberties or trading for permanent security. Not making any statement about what type of liberty or security applies in this situation.

  16. Backup your SHSH files - NOW by DanTheManMS · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Anyone with an iDevice reading this, please go backup your 4.3.3 SHSH file right now. Even if you don't think you'll ever jailbreak, please do it as an insurance measure. It's as simple as downloading a program (TinyUmbrella), connecting your phone to the computer, and clicking a button. Behind the scenes it's saving Apple's magic "approval" that allows you to restore your device to the fully-hacked 4.3.3 firmware. In the next few days, Apple is likely to stop signing restore requests for anything except 4.3.4.

    It's not that I expect most people to actively *want* to downgrade their firmware in the future. I just like having the *option* to do so. For instance, right now I could restore my iPhone to iOS version 3.1.3 if I wanted to, even though Apple stopped allowing restores to that version years ago.

    1. Re:Backup your SHSH files - NOW by Psyborgue · · Score: 1

      Just checked. Apple is no longer signing 4.3.3 from what i'm reading. Well. Guess whoever is on 4.3.3 will never be able to get back there after a restore. TinyUmbrella will do nothing now, nor will Cydia's backup.

    2. Re:Backup your SHSH files - NOW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Curses. I did a basic search before posting but I didn't find that info. Well now I look like a fool, heh...

    3. Re:Backup your SHSH files - NOW by mlts · · Score: 1

      Seconded on that. I'm sure there will be an untethered JB for 4.3.4 because the core exploit is in hardware. But, it can't hurt to keep that around just in case.

      The SHSH party ends once iOS 5.x comes out though... unless you want to downgrade to 4.x, you either are at the latest iOS 5.x version or nothing. Blecch.

    4. Re:Backup your SHSH files - NOW by aardwolf64 · · Score: 1

      Beware of TinyUmbrella. It does what it is supposed to do, but if you ever have to use it, it doesn't clear out your hosts file properly.

      As a result, if you ever try to install a new firmware from Apple, it will fail. Fixing that is as simple as manually removing the line it adds from your hosts file... but if you forget to do that first, it's going to take you hours and hours to get your phone working.

  17. iOS 10 cures cancer! by metalmaster · · Score: 3, Informative

    no but the title is sensationalist at best.

    As a few others mentioned, Apple has only closed the most obvious hole that hackers have been using to jailbreak the device. There are probably others, and they have been/will be found. If theres anything that we've learned over the past year or so its that you shouldnt rattle the cage. Im not saying that anyone will go about breaking iTMS and exposing the infos of Apple's userbase, but who knows....

    If anything this will serve as a good pentest for future releases. Apple has known about the pdf exploit for quite some time and hasnt completely closed it, so people were able to get comfortable knowing their exploit could work with a bit of tweaking. This will get them off their asses and hunting for new ways to break free of he walled garden once again.

  18. iOS 4.3.4 Prevents Hacking and Jailbreaking by Slash.Poop · · Score: 1

    What a BOLD headline.
    Who wants to bet it is completely false?

  19. Who restarts a phone? by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Actually, it's just a tethered jailbreak, meaning you have to connect your device to your computer every time you want to restart it.

    I have an iPhone, I've not restarted it more than once between revisions of the O.S. (which force a restart). To me the need to tether on reboot is incredibly minor.

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    1. Re:Who restarts a phone? by Psyborgue · · Score: 1

      You've had good luck with stability. Others... not so much. It all depends on the quality of the apps you install through Cydia. Some like to push the envelope with customization, risking stability. On a phone, you need to be able to restart the thing and remove a troublesome package unless you're nearby a computer constantly.

    2. Re:Who restarts a phone? by ThePeices · · Score: 0

      Ahh, so *you* dont do something, therefore nobody in the rest of the world needs to either?

      Cool logic bro!

    3. Re:Who restarts a phone? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 0

      It's endemic with iPhone owners; in fact, because they like their phone there shouldn't be any other options for phones at all...

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    4. Re:Who restarts a phone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Ahh, so *you* dont do something, therefore nobody in the rest of the world needs to either?

      Cool logic bro!

      He didn't say that. You made it up as a straw man. No logic bro.

    5. Re:Who restarts a phone? by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

      Ahh, so *you* dont do something, therefore nobody in the rest of the world needs to either?

      Oh, I'm sure you Android owners have to all the time...

      You walked right into that one. Fail.

      But seriously the article was about iPhones and they simply hardly ever need resetting (except as I said for system updates). For a long time tethered jailbreaks were all people had and it didn't stop a few million people from doing so anyway... many of them not very technical users.

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      "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    6. Re:Who restarts a phone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Ahh, he said something doesn't bother him, therefore he's saying it doesn't bother the rest of the world either?

      Cool logic bro!

    7. Re:Who restarts a phone? by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      A question. If phone runs out of battery, would this also lose the jailbreak on the tethered jailbreak?

      I see that phones don't run out of battery very frequently, but still, nice to know.

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      Bingo Dictionary - Pragmatist, n. A myopic idealist.
  20. You can still save your blobs with iFaith by Kernel+Kurtz · · Score: 1

    If you have a functioning, pre 4.3.4 iOS, even if Apple has stopped signing it.

    http://ih8sn0w.com/index.php/products/view/ifaith.snow

  21. Remember when Apple was popular on Slashdot? by traindirector · · Score: 2

    Apple's helped the smartphone market explode, unfortunately they've brought along and prop up so many things criticized on Slashdot that they're an easy target.

    Do you remember when, not so long ago, Apple was popular among Slashdotters? Back when their primary focus was on computers and not appliances? It's almost amazing thinking about that now.

    It would be interesting if there were some way to plot the volume of comments about Apple over the years that have been positive and negative with their corresponding moderation totals. I can't think of any topic that has gone from overwhelmingly positive to overwhelmingly negative in the past six or seven years.

    1. Re:Remember when Apple was popular on Slashdot? by BlueStraggler · · Score: 1

      They're still the world's largest vendor of open source, standards-compliant Unix systems. The things we used to like about them haven't changed.

    2. Re:Remember when Apple was popular on Slashdot? by Eskarel · · Score: 1

      Except they're not and never have been.

      Sure OSX has a BSD underlay and that BSD underlay is open source being that it's BSD. However OSX is not just the BSD underly, it's all the spiffy UI on top of it and all the apps which apple provides you to run it, absolutely none of which are open source. Yes you can run X-Windows in OSX, but that's not the default UI and it's just as ugly as it is on other BSD systems.

    3. Re:Remember when Apple was popular on Slashdot? by HuguesT · · Score: 3, Informative

      OSX absolutely is Unix standard compliant. This means it does have X11, and all the POSIX layers, yes, and we like that very very much. The other stuff you can choose not to run. AFAIK the kernel (XNU) is still open-source and there is an effort called puredarwin aiming at producing a full distribution based on darwin.

    4. Re:Remember when Apple was popular on Slashdot? by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      I think you need to check your facts. Just believing hard enough that it's not true will not make it so. OS X is absolutely Unix compliant.

    5. Re:Remember when Apple was popular on Slashdot? by Eskarel · · Score: 1

      But that's not OSX. You can use all the POSIX stuff and you can have the source to your kernel. You do not however have the source to the entire OS, nor is the entire OS POSIX compliant.

      If Microsoft went out and replaced the windows kernel with HURD and installed the GNU toolkit on Windows but changed absolutely nothing else(same window manager, same APIs, same toolkits, would Windows be open source?

    6. Re:Remember when Apple was popular on Slashdot? by lerxstz · · Score: 1

      Apple was never *overwhelmingly* popular 'round here. Linux, yes. Apple, no.

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  22. Re:gaaaaaah... by VortexCortex · · Score: 1

    it's been jailbroken: http://gizmodo.com/5821905/ios-434-has-been-jailbroken

    Well, of course... Contingencies are planned for. No one thinks that the "security researchers" looking for exploits to enable jailbreaking just stop looking for exploit vectors once they have root access, do they?

    IMHO, Mobile device/OS manufacturers should just give their customers (the end users, not the service providers) root access in an "advanced" menu option... Otherwise it's just a matter of time before some of the "jailbreakers" turn into malware authors...

    Don't get me wrong; Including a "Got Root?" option wouldn't keep everyone from searching for exploits, but it would remove a current major motivating factor.

    Did you know that due to copyright restrictions of software & games bored Bulgarians began to reverse engineer and crack them. Thus at one point in the 90's Bulgaria was the malware capitol of the world -- Responsible for the most and best of all viruses worldwide.

    A similar thing happened for bootleggers of older games for Apple, Amiga, Commodore, and other PCs. In fact, the cracks were rated among their peers according to the duration between a game's release and it's crack date eg: Software cracked only 6 weeks after release was rated as a "42-day crack". It was a competition to the hackers, and sometimes they got a hold of pre-releases just to crack them. If the software was exploited on or before its retail release it was the coveted best rating -- A "Zero-Day" crack!... Somehow the term has changed meaning a bit over the years, along with the term "hacker"; C'est la vie.

    Accelerated escape from control due to more constriction. You see this sort of thing happening again and again, it applies to just about everything...

    The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the faster the spunk will escape from your... fingers.

  23. iOS - The most insecure OS by Heretic2 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    iOS - Designed for intelligence gatherers:

    • Stores detailed location data.
    • geotags and timestamps picture metadata automagically.
    • Has a keychain that's crackable in minutes so get all stored passwords.
    • Has all kinds of other "hidden data" candy

    And yet, my business still uses it as the defacto standard because they're puuuuuuuurty.

    Personally, I like to show off to The Man, so I continue to not care that much myself, but if I actually had some important job that was life/death to people, yea I wouldn't use an iPhone for work business.

  24. Meanwhile, at Verizon Wireless by thunderbird46 · · Score: 1

    iOS 4.3 is still nowhere to be found, so the CDMA iPhone moves all the way up from 4.2.8 to 4.2.9.

  25. Waah! Apple fixed a security flaw! I hate Apple! by Theovon · · Score: 1, Troll

    Yes, Apple doesn't like jailbreaking, but it would be stupid of them to not patch the flaw now that it's discovered. It would be nice if they were to provide a sanctioned means to jailbreak the device, but that's another matter. If I wanted a device this open, I'd figure out which Android phone was most hackable and buy that.... and put up with the inferior user interface. As it turns out, I HATE inferior user interfaces, which is why I avoid things like Linux and Windows desktops and which is why I bought an iPhone. For all of the things that are commonly done with a smartphone, the iPhone works great without any fuss (AT&T's flaky network aside). I'm content to stay within this walled garden, because although there are a FEW things I might want to do that I cannot, I don't have to put up with any bullshit to do everything else.

    And let me be clear that this comment from yours truly is coming from a semi-well-known open hardware designer. For me, hacking someone else's hardware is often just too frustrating and limiting. I would much rather design something new that's open to begin with and does specifically what I want.

    And you may also find it interesting that, as a hardware designer, I have somewhat of a different take on the whole Free Software thing. To me, software is often a just lot of bullshit required to make the hardware work. I care a bit more about the software being stable and easy to use than about it always being open source. On the other hand, although I'm willing to tollerate closed hardware when it suits me (indeed, the vast majority of computer hardware is closed-design), I find it much more desirable to design circuitry that other people can learn from, repurpose, and reprogram as they see fit. To turn this into a proper analogy, look at all this from the perspective of the mechanical engineer. He doesn't care about circuits OR software. But he hates it when machines he buys don't come with blueprints.

  26. Re:Waah! Apple fixed a security flaw! I hate Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Hackers who are pro-jailbreaking are also the most security conscious and they actually support Apple's exploit patching. All the whining is about Apple not supporting an official jailbreak method, not that Apple is making jailbreaking harder.

  27. Is your microwave hostile? by Brannon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You probably use 15 electronic devices a day which have microprocessors capable of running arbitrary code but which the manufacturer prevents you from easily running arbitrary code. Why is Apple the bad guy? They are not the first ones to ever make a locked down device.

    1. Re:Is your microwave hostile? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So it's okay if others do it.. Noted.

    2. Re:Is your microwave hostile? by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But these devices all can do everything I want to do with them, why bother modifying them? If you're happy with what your iPhone can do out of the box, the same applies to you and your iPhone. But I don't remember any washing machine manufacturer trying to keep the buyers of their machines from trying to "jailbreak" them and turn them into something the creator didn't intend them to be. If I think my washing machine should turn with more RPM, I doubt Siemens or Hoover are going to sue me over it, not even if I create a kit and sell it to others (not give it away. SELL it, for profit).

      What else is there that has a microprocessor with "locked down" code? Well, e.g. cars. And for cars there's chip tuning. Not only do people sell that service, but as far as I can tell car manufacturers don't even try to keep them from doing it. Why bother? If anything, it might make the car break faster and people need spare parts, so more power to them!

      Care to inform me about any device or appliance that has a microprocessor capable of running arbitrary code that has been locked down AND where the manufacturer is acting like you're a criminal if you try to change that? Aside of i$Devices and cellphones?

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      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    3. Re:Is your microwave hostile? by dwandy · · Score: 1

      Why is Apple the bad guy?

      In a word: Expectation.
      I don't see my microwave as being a general purpose computer which has been arbitrarily locked down. For your example to work it would have to refuse to reheat chicken on Tuesdays.

      but which the manufacturer prevents you from easily running arbitrary code.

      In a word: Intention.
      I don't think that they are actively preventing you (which you seem to imply). It may be difficult (as you suggest) but that's because they are not selling a device intended for running arbitrary code; they are selling a device for specific purpose. Apple on the other hand wants to sell a device that is intended to run arbitrary code, but only code they approve of.

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      If you think imaginary property and real property are the same, when does your house become public domain?
    4. Re:Is your microwave hostile? by Kielistic · · Score: 1

      Very simple really, Apple advertised it as a general purpose computing device. From the original announcement of it being OSX in your pocket to the "There's an app for that" slogan. Apple marketed the iphone as a computing device and it's perfectly natural for people to expect to receive a computing device.

    5. Re:Is your microwave hostile? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To sum up your argument: Whine, Apple's devices are too open, else we wouldn't complain about them being too closed. If my washing machine manufacturer tried to fix a bug that allowed others to turn my washing pink, I'd whine about them too. Amazon did it best: allow a universal mobile computing device to do basically one thing - read ebooks. Couldn't be any more open.

    6. Re:Is your microwave hostile? by fitzpatri8 · · Score: 1

      But these devices all can do everything I want to do with them, why bother modifying them? If you're happy with what your iPhone can do out of the box, the same applies to you and your iPhone. But I don't remember any washing machine manufacturer trying to keep the buyers of their machines from trying to "jailbreak" them and turn them into something the creator didn't intend them to be. If I think my washing machine should turn with more RPM, I doubt Siemens or Hoover are going to sue me over it, not even if I create a kit and sell it to others (not give it away. SELL it, for profit).

      What else is there that has a microprocessor with "locked down" code? Well, e.g. cars. And for cars there's chip tuning. Not only do people sell that service, but as far as I can tell car manufacturers don't even try to keep them from doing it. Why bother? If anything, it might make the car break faster and people need spare parts, so more power to them!

      Care to inform me about any device or appliance that has a microprocessor capable of running arbitrary code that has been locked down AND where the manufacturer is acting like you're a criminal if you try to change that? Aside of i$Devices and cellphones?

      The auto manufacturers may well regret that decision if someday someone starts distributing seriously malicious car computer code. If modded cars suddenly began starting themselves and running over pedestrians, if electronic steering assist units start straightening the wheel midway through some random left hand-turn, or if they started flooring the accelerator and disabling the breaks, gear selector and off switch, I suspect the lawsuits which followed would cause them to reconsider.

      Of course the risks of a cell phone aren't nearly as bad, not so long as the main goal of the bad guys is just to steal your passwords and money. It's not like a trojan horse would ever be able to geolocate you using GPS then place a 9-1-1 call from your phone. And it's not like they can play an MP3 file with a panicked voice describing a violent attack or threat. Right?

    7. Re:Is your microwave hostile? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      ...and as soon as computers can kill a person if improperly handled we might finally get liability for insecure computer use. And if my grandma had wheels she was a subway.

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  28. Re:Waah! Apple fixed a security flaw! I hate Apple by tuppe666 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I find it difficult to believe that anyone is buying the iPhone has a better ui than Android. Where are the iPhone widgets? Seriously though there is little to nothing in it,

    I find it impossible to belive that as a hardware designer(sic) you even talk about the iPhone a device from a hardware perspective is a year and a half out of date, with a known hardware flaw.

    I find it incredible that you don't understand that both Android and iOS have FOSS origins, and have benefited in different ways. What is relevant perhaps is as a USER should Apple follow the spirit of the BSD License.

    :
    Personally I'll be buying the phone with the best software/hardware/Open...and that isn't an iPhone

  29. Two different things by joh · · Score: 2

    I know that the /. pseudo-nerd crowd loves nothing more than an opportunity to bash Apple, but all what Apple did here was patching a remote root exploit out in the wild. There's nothing wrong with patching that. Really.

    This exploit was also used for the last jailbreak, so this jailbreak is now broken. Tough luck, but a totally different thing. Complain about Apple as much as you want, but please don't complain about them patching such exploits.

  30. Quite different by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

    There is something very different from making a non-general purpose device, and making a general purpose device but locking it down. Sure, my washing machine has a small CPU and such in it. In theory it could be set to do other things (in practice I imagine the firmware can't be changed as it is not field updatable). However that is not its purpose. Its purpose it to wash clothes. The reason it has a CPU is to control various facets of its operation. As such no provision is made for advanced access. It's controls are simple, to make it easy to operate, its display just reads out time and cycle information, any of the CPU's IO ports are connected to sensors, and so on.

    They took no steps to restrict my use of it, it just isn't designed for general purpose use. It has a dedicated function.

    My smartphone, on the other hand, is the opposite. They went out of their way to make it a general purpose device. It has a powerful CPU and lots of RAM, its storage is all flash so it can be rewritten. It has a large, high resolution, touch display so it can generate arbitrary images and accept arbitrary input. Hell most of the hardware in it is outside of its specialized use, which is to make phone calls. The device was designed as a computer, to allow me to do what I wish on it.

    Any restrictions past that are therefore artificial, things the manufacturer or carrier has chosen to impose because they don't want me to do something for whatever reason. The device has all hardware needed and was designed to be general purpose, the locks are all specially added.

    That's the difference. If you are going to defend Apple's stuff by the same token you are ok with (and should defend) any DRM on videogames, or Blu-rays or so on. Ay time a company tries to artificially restrict what you can do, that is ok.

    Plus in Apple's case it very much is a case like media DRM. Apple doesn't want competition for things like app and media sales, they want to run all that. Maybe users aren't so interested in that idea, maybe they want choice, which I should note Android allows non-rooted.

    I'm not happy when a company decides to lock me down for no good reason. So I don't mind that my washing machine is just a washing machine. I also don't mind that when it is in operation there is a non-defeatable door lock, that is for safety. However I'd mind if it told me I couldn't wash my clothes after 10pm, not because of a limitation on its design, but because there was code to stop it for some reason.

  31. citation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Another objective is to prevent the jailbreaking

    [citation needed]

  32. What is this CNN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Seriously this is as void of thought as anything CNN would have posted. Every new release of IOS stops the previous jailbreak from working where possible. Some devices can be pwned forever. Get with it and stop being like the sensational blogs.

  33. aaaaand... It still doesn't support my iPhone 3G by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I have an iPhone 3G. It is 2 years old, is still covered under an extended service contract and warranty and Apple has stopped releasing IOS updates for it. So why would anyone want to continue purchasing Apple's phones? They won't even continue to support your device through its warranty and support planes.

  34. iOS 4.3.4 Prevents Hacking and Jailbreaking by Ozmodium · · Score: 1

    ... it also improves minigolf scores! ... and whitens your whites. ... and One Other Thing.

  35. very nice by Umanica · · Score: 1

    i decided not to upgrade for this one - still no good updates on 4.3.4

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