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Is Twitter Rendered Obsolete By Google+?

suraj.sun writes with a ComputerWorld piece predicting the end of Twitter, at least in its current form. From the article: "It's only a matter of time before Twitter becomes a ghost town. While Google+ will soon do all the things Twitter does, Twitter can't support a long list of the things Google+ supports. Also on Google+, you can post pictures and videos directly in posts, launch immediately into a video chat, send your posts to nonmembers and even present all your posts marked 'Public' as a blog available to anyone with an Internet."

456 comments

  1. What is an Internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Can I get "an Internet"? How do you quantify one?

    1. Re:What is an Internet? by cshark · · Score: 2

      You're missing out. My internet is huge!

      --

      This signature has Super Cow Powers

    2. Re:What is an Internet? by Pseudonym+Authority · · Score: 4, Funny

      An Internet is the currency used on The Internet.

    3. Re:What is an Internet? by carpenoctem63141 · · Score: 1

      It's like a Chuck E. Cheese prize - you can't buy an Internet, but you can win it.

    4. Re:What is an Internet? by MattW · · Score: 4, Funny

      Back in 1995, I did dialup support. (Mercifully briefly.)

      Working for Netcom, afaik the first ISP to offer unlimited connectivity straight to the internet.

      "Hi, I just bought the Internet."

      "Hi, I just bought your Internet."

      Were the two most common lines from customers as they began to tell me their problem. (One particular brand of modem with no UART chip was the biggest pest...)

    5. Re:What is an Internet? by TubeSteak · · Score: 5, Funny

      An Internet is the currency used on The Internet.

      On the internet's black market, Lulz are widely accepted alternate currency.

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      [Fuck Beta]
      o0t!
    6. Re:What is an Internet? by viega · · Score: 1

      Actually, you can buy any of the prizes at Chuck E Cheese-- they charge you $.01 per ticket!

    7. Re:What is an Internet? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      It's not the size that matters, it's whether you know how to use it!

      --
      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    8. Re:What is an Internet? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I guess the biggest pest was the one that just told you they bought the internet, am I right?

      But aaahhhh, yes, the good ol' days, when the internet was still a lot more free and the average idiot was still a bit less clueless than today because getting on required actually being able to rub two brain cells together... and still you had those interesting calls that made you wonder, that gave you stories that sound like they're made up until you realize that they're SO outlandish that nobody with a hint of an idea of how the internet works could remotely get that idea. They range from the concerned parent who found out that little Jimmy spent hours on a chatroom overseas and who're now worried about insane long distance fees and don't even end at people asking for a full listing of webpages and getting irate when you not only can't provide it but also can't put their favorite page back online, since, after all, YOU own that internet! You just sold it to them, so you pretty much had to own it. Or are you some swindling, shady crook who sells what he doesn't have?

      Ahh, good ol' times.

      I'm glad I managed to get out of support hell before I had to name my ulcers after my customers.

      --
      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    9. Re:What is an Internet? by InsectOverlord · · Score: 1

      Yes, as long as you don't put enormous amounts of material into it; otherwise the tubes are filled and the internet is delayed.

    10. Re:What is an Internet? by m2vq · · Score: 2

      It's 160 characters, not 150.

    11. Re:What is an Internet? by leamanc · · Score: 1

      Correct answer. 100 internets to you, my friend.

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      :q!
    12. Re:What is an Internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      there needs a capital T. It's "There" not "there".

    13. Re:What is an Internet? by Bitsy+Boffin · · Score: 5, Funny

      There is only one internet, it lives atop Big Ben. Occasionally the elders will let you borrow it, if you are able to sufficiently impress them.

      --
      NZ Electronics Enthusiasts: Check out my Trade Me Listings
    14. Re:What is an Internet? by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 1

      (One particular brand of modem with no UART chip was the biggest pest...)

      God, I remember those bastards. What a PITA they were... After that I only supported / sold US Robotics external modems:

      http://www.data-connect.com/images/USR_Modem.jpg

    15. Re:What is an Internet? by lostfayth · · Score: 1

      It's wireless!

    16. Re:What is an Internet? by TheCouchPotatoFamine · · Score: 1, Funny

      There needs a capital T. It's "There" not "there".

      --
      CS majors know the time/space tradeoff, but they never get taught the 3rd, crucial, tradeoff of the set: comprehension!
    17. Re:What is an Internet? by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      pff ... you have an internet, but I have The Internet, and it is on my desktop as early as 1997.

    18. Re:What is an Internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Death to the Motorola Sm-56!

      If I ever meet whoever came up with Soft Modems, I will kick them in the nuts for the misery they caused me!

    19. Re:What is an Internet? by ryanov · · Score: 1

      All I know is that I was sent an internet by my staff on Friday and I got it yesterday.

    20. Re:What is an Internet? by ryanov · · Score: 2

      I'm pretty sure it's 140. SMS is 160.

    21. Re:What is an Internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Hi, I just bought your Internet." is acceptable shorthand for "Hi, I just bought your Internet [access service]."

    22. Re:What is an Internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Good maybe we can go a whole 10 minutes without hearing about fucking Twitter.

      No one wants to fuck a whale. Least not one that fails.

    23. Re:What is an Internet? by NoAkai · · Score: 1

      Hey, at least it's not about Bitcoin...

    24. Re:What is an Internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try the button at http://barrystaes.nl for an example.

    25. Re:What is an Internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Post above marked as funny by nerds who think they "buy" digital media when in fact they "license" it.

    26. Re:What is an Internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Back in 1995, I did dialup support. (Mercifully briefly.)
      Working for Netcom, afaik the first ISP to offer unlimited connectivity straight to the internet.

      There was a local dialup outfit that went public in the summer of '93 where I live, and that was about 2 years after AOL offered internet (although theirs was technically proxied).

      But yeah, I'm familiar with those terms, having spent the last 5 years doing phone tech support. I think my favorite went something like: "I just bought your internets, and the damn thing crawled inside my computer and jiggered it all up!"
      Or the lady who called to report the internet had "turned upside down" (someone flipped her display).
      And the occasional crackhead calling to report vague problems is always interesting. Usually they're concerned that some type of government (or other) monitoring/tracking device is causing the problems with their service. Some of them have really, really interesting "fixes" for it, too. Like the guy who has "figured out" that he can prevent the government's spy satellites from "Scoping out his Grow Room" if he turns his TV and sound system components on in just the right order, followed by changing his cable box to specific channels in a specific order, modified by the day of the week he thinks it is. I've tried, but I simply cannot make stuff up that comes close to the people who call me for real.

    27. Re:What is an Internet? by Pieroxy · · Score: 1

      There needs a capital T. It's "There" not "there".

      but only when it's the first word of a sentence, right?

    28. Re:What is an Internet? by phonewebcam · · Score: 1

      I hear Apple are about to iNvent iT. Soon, you'll be able to load songs to an iPhone using iT. This iNternet will be trumpeted from the highest rooftops as a monumental breakthrough, comparable to their iNvention of cut 'n' paste, by the fanbois who have once again willfully iGnored the fact other phones have been doing iT for years now.

    29. Re:What is an Internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But remember - it doesn't have wires because the internet is wireless now.

      3.4 "The Speech" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1320786/

    30. Re:What is an Internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is only one internet, it lives atop Big Ben. Occasionally the elders will let you borrow it, if you are able to sufficiently impress them.

      You just gotta be careful not to drop it.

    31. Re:What is an Internet? by Kagetsuki · · Score: 1

      Pfft, everybody uses bitcoins now. Everyone knows the bitcoin market is going to explode any day now. I traded in all 5 of my Internets for 2 bitcoins and now with those same two bitcoins I can buy..... ...oh...

      I guess it really was a scam...

    32. Re:What is an Internet? by ailnlv · · Score: 1

      Only someone with a tiny Internet would say that

    33. Re:What is an Internet? by Hazel+Bergeron · · Score: 1

      Like the guy who has "figured out" that he can...

      ...troll telephone support.

    34. Re:What is an Internet? by SimonTheSoundMan · · Score: 1

      Nice to know your Internet is huge, because the real one is quite small. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTBsm0LzSP0

    35. Re:What is an Internet? by SimonTheSoundMan · · Score: 0

      Nice to know your Internet is huge, because the real one is quite small. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTBsm0LzSP0 [youtube.com]

    36. Re:What is an Internet? by datapharmer · · Score: 1

      don't even end at people asking for a full listing of webpages

      haha reminds me of the yellowpages aol used to publish for that very reason. I think I have a copy somewhere that I got just for shits and giggles.

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      Get a web developer
    37. Re:What is an Internet? by datapharmer · · Score: 1

      but it feels so light...

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      Get a web developer
    38. Re:What is an Internet? by Antarius · · Score: 2

      A lot of duplication on it though, it seems. ;)

    39. Re:What is an Internet? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Can I get "an Internet"? How do you quantify one?

      I think you need an invitation from someone on google+

      --
      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
    40. Re:What is an Internet? by theArtificial · · Score: 1

      Apparently not if you worked support in the 90s.

      --
      Man blir trött av att gå och göra ingenting.
    41. Re:What is an Internet? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      they're SO outlandish that nobody with a hint of an idea of how the internet works could remotely get that idea. They range from the concerned parent who found out that little Jimmy spent hours on a chatroom overseas and who're now worried about insane long distance fees

      That's not particularly stupid, people used to have to dial up using their phone line to connect to the internet, so why shouldn't they expect variable call rates the same as when they dialled on their phone to another phone? Why do you think that everyone should have to know how the internet works?

      Most car drivers couldn't rebuild an engine or even tell you accurately how it works.

      --
      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
    42. Re:What is an Internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you can not 'get' internet. you can 'has' internet.

    43. Re:What is an Internet? by yeesh · · Score: 1

      Been away, anyone able to invite me to G+? Spikelaurie@hotmail.co.uk Cheers

    44. Re:What is an Internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it need to be demagnetize by hawk himself first

    45. Re:What is an Internet? by second_coming · · Score: 1

      pfff... the internet was on my desktop in 1992

    46. Re:What is an Internet? by justsayin · · Score: 1

      It's not the size of the ship that matters. It's the motion of the ocean.

    47. Re:What is an Internet? by justsayin · · Score: 1

      I can send you an invite to the Internet+. Just post your email and SSN and I'll get right back to you.

    48. Re:What is an Internet? by second_coming · · Score: 1

      sure

    49. Re:What is an Internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What bothers me the most is that people try to send me Internets, but they keep getting tangled up with all of these things going on the Internet commercially! A friend of mine sent me an Internet on Friday, but I just got it today!

      Don't these companies like the Google and Twitters know that an Internet is not a big truck??

    50. Re:What is an Internet? by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1

      My packet is haze gray and underway.

      --
      Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
    51. Re:What is an Internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is only one internet, it lives atop Big Ben. Occasionally the elders will let you borrow it, if you are able to sufficiently impress them.

      The elders of the internet know who I am!??!?

    52. Re:What is an Internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One particular brand of modem with no UART chip was the biggest pest...

      ...as in, "UART gettin' online with this!"

    53. Re:What is an Internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's even more funny is that if you hadn't interrupted them and cut them off mid sentence with you would have heard...

      "Hi, I just bought the Internet service plan from Netcom, and I was wondering..."

      "Hi, I just bought your Internet service plan, and I can't..."

      But the asshole that you are kept interrupting them, you know because you are so smart and you knew what the problem was before they could complete their sentence.

    54. Re:What is an Internet? by shdowhawk · · Score: 1

      Obligatory Link

      Here is how you can get an internet for your own monthly meetings:

      Internet in a box (extended version of the famous scene for those who have not seen it before)

    55. Re:What is an Internet? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I'm not expecting it. And I tried my best to avoid laughing or even giggling when facing a "stupid" question. There are no stupid questions. Just stupid people. :)

      No, seriously. They were not and are not required to know that, and it's quite logical (actually, it's pretty clever and far more than I'd expect from most people) to take something they know and apply it to a new technology, assuming both technologies work the same way, lacking better understanding. It still is amusing if you do know how it works and you're caught off guard because you simply never thought of this train of thought.

      That's, btw, what makes most jokes funny. That they take a twist you didn't expect.

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      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    56. Re:What is an Internet? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I respect someone a lot more who can accomplish more with less than someone who can accomplish less with more.

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      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    57. Re:What is an Internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The elders of the Internet know WHO I AM?

    58. Re:What is an Internet? by supernatendo · · Score: 1

      Has it been completely demagnetized?

    59. Re:What is an Internet? by Scottingham · · Score: 1

      www.bitvinyl.com Vinyl records for bitcoins...I'll take those two bitcoins you have, kindly.

    60. Re:What is an Internet? by vgerclover · · Score: 2

      US Robotics modems, the only Three Laws compliant 56K modems.

    61. Re:What is an Internet? by Toonol · · Score: 1

      oh yeah and I should have capitalized the first word of every sentence. there,

      That is very true, and of everything you've said, it would have the largest beneficial impact on your life.

    62. Re:What is an Internet? by pak9rabid · · Score: 1

      Nice to know your Internet is huge, because the real one is quite small. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTBsm0LzSP0 [youtube.com]

      You know what they say about a guy with a huge Internet right?

    63. Re:What is an Internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you're wrong... it was destroyed during the "I'm a man" boss's incident.

    64. Re:What is an Internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, at 4chan they constantly trade tens if not hundreds of internets for tidbits like what porn film is related to a posted screenshot.

    65. Re:What is an Internet? by eugene+ts+wong · · Score: 1

      Thank you for sharing the link. I never heard of the show before. I might have a new addiction.

    66. Re:What is an Internet? by LunaticTippy · · Score: 1

      Netcom was my very first paid-for ISP. When I finished at college my dialup account stayed active for a few years, but when I moved away it was cheaper to "buy the internet" than pay for long distance. There were very few ISPs that serviced all of the metro areas I spent time in the early 90s. I was very happy with Netcom until they got bought by Earthlink.

      I had to call support a few times, mostly to report outages. There were a dozen or more access numbers for each city, some of them would work better than others, and some of them would be busy.

      I stole a dumb terminal from the trash and used a 9600 baud modem to dial in to my shell account. I would compile code, read USENET, email, poke around on gopher and ftp. All my friends thought I was insane for spending $20 for the internet.

      --
      Man, you really need that seminar!
    67. Re:What is an Internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There WAS one internet until a certain employee of the month broke it.

    68. Re:What is an Internet? by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      [2012]
      Adam Mitchell: [in introduction] This is Mr. Van Statten.
      Rose Tyler: And who is he when he's not at home?
      Adam Mitchell: Mr. Van Statten owns the Internet.
      Rose Tyler: Don't be so stupid. No one owns the Internet!
      Henry Van Statten: [grinning] And let's just keep the whole world thinking that way, right kid?

      --
      Oh, say does that Star-Spangled Banner entwine / The myrtle of Venus with Bacchus's vine?
    69. Re:What is an Internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's wireless!

    70. Re:What is an Internet? by HermMunster · · Score: 1

      Is twitter rendered obsolete by Facebook? Why would circles be better than following trends or others on twitter? Will it have an impact? Sure. All social networking will. And when the next one comes out Google+ will be impacted. To suggest somehow that twitter has met it's pending end is to be irresponsible and grandstanding-ish in an effort to just gain page hits.

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      You can lead a man with reason but you can't make him think.
    71. Re:What is an Internet? by the_B0fh · · Score: 1

      You young 'un's, gerroff my lawn!

    72. Re:What is an Internet? by the_B0fh · · Score: 1

      And then there was me, with my name, +++ATH0+++

    73. Re:What is an Internet? by Scaba · · Score: 1

      I seem to get over things a hell of a lot faster than the media does.

      Apparently not. You're still on about Michael Jackson's death, which happened over two years ago, and you're still on about the media coverage of it, which, by your own admission, ended a "a couple of months" after he died. Sigh. If only the media and the rest of the world, i.e., "everyone who is dumb...which is most of the population incidentally" would adopt Mr. Big-brained Anonymous Coward's list of things to discuss...

      Oh, yea...I'm guessing you're one of those guys that gets really upset when someone uses the term "irony" incorrectly. You have just given a perfect example of it. Which, if my assumption stands, is doubly ironic.

  2. Long answer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No.

    1. Re:Long answer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Twitter will be rendered obsolete by Darwin.

    2. Re:Long answer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that you jack?

    3. Re:Long answer? by elsurexiste · · Score: 1

      This.

      Google tried to kill it with Buzz, but only got a hangover :P . If I want to share something interesting with Google's services, I need to choose between three:

      • Google Reader
      • Google Buzz
      • Google+

      Note that these are not fully integrated, so people are segregated by the service I use to broadcast. Twitter is just Twitter, can be as closed for outsiders as a doll's an*s, and comes in 140 characters (more than enough for the ADHD-afflicted masses).

      --
      I rarely respond to comments. Also, don't ask for clarifications: a brain and Google are faster, believe me!
    4. Re:Long answer? by Crudely_Indecent · · Score: 2

      Twitter was rendered obsolete by the marketing departments who overused it for advertising, and users who insist on notifying everyone of every mundane aspect of their lives.

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      "Lame" - Galaxar
    5. Re:Long answer? by iamhassi · · Score: 1

      Agreed.

      "Note that these are not fully integrated, so people are segregated by the service I use to broadcast. "

      Thank god! I'm a little worried by a facebook-clone (google+) linked with my email (gmail) linked with my youtube linked with my twitter (google+) linked with my search (google) linked with my Android phone linked with GPS. I really really don't like the idea of all of these communicating with each other whenever they want.

      Google+ gives just too much power to Google. They already own our search, our emails, our videos and many people have Android OS phones, but now they want facebook and twitter? What's left? What won't belong to Google if we all leave facebook and join Google+?

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      my karma will be here long after I'm gone
    6. Re:Long answer? by Gooba42 · · Score: 1

      Everything else?

      --
      I just found out there's no such thing as the real world. It's just a lie you've got to rise above. - John Mayer
    7. Re:Long answer? by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      Google Buzz will eventually be integrated into Plus. It will be optional, as in Convert or Die. Some people will complain, most won't. Some people won't covert, most will. And it will be done.

      This won't happen until Google Plus is open without Invites required

      It makes sense this way.

      --
      Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
    8. Re:Long answer? by dakameleon · · Score: 1

      1) huh? how are you going to "integrate" Buzz into Plus? Have you even seen Plus? Buzz offers at best a subset of features Plus already offers, barring Twitter & GReader integration.

      2) there's hardly a lack of invites these days; I thought everyone can just flick it on from their Google profile now?

      --
      Man who leaps off cliff jumps to conclusion.
    9. Re:Long answer? by dadioflex · · Score: 1

      FTA: "200 million users and 350 billion tweets per day" - so an average of 1750 tweets per user per day. Compared to Google+ "10 million people have signed up for the site. They share about 1 billion items every day" - or 100 shares per user per day, which is still an order of magnitude too much but at least sounds physically possible. Here's my statistic, 99.99% of all of it goes unread.

    10. Re:Long answer? by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

      I think Twitter's success is in its simplicity. I'm not on a high horse or anything; I've very few tweets, and I started my illustrious tweeting with a re-hash of a Penny Arcade strip.

      So, now that any potential Twitter cred I might have had is out the window (Twitcred? Tweetcred?), the fact is Twitter is a vastly dumbed-down blogging service that lets anyone post whatever inane minutiae of their life they may feel compelled to share with the rest of us. I'll admit there's a certain bit of creativity in trying to cram something of substance within 140 characters. The funny bit is that practically no tweets actually have any substance in them.

    11. Re:Long answer? by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      If that is a sign of failure, the Web has failed long ago, when everyone started to make his own homepage without having anything worthwhile to offer. I guess 99.99% of those home pages were never read by anyone, too.

      --
      The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
    12. Re:Long answer? by bluemonq · · Score: 1

      Actually, if you share something in Reader, it will be shared on Buzz.

    13. Re:Long answer? by ccguy · · Score: 1

      This is slashdot you know, no need to stick to 3 characters or whatever like in tweeter.

      I'd admit though that you did wonders with the space you thought you had available, so it's no surprise that you got a +5 insightful there.

    14. Re:Long answer? by Pieroxy · · Score: 1

      Everything else?

      Which is ... ?

      Don't forget that most sites use Google Analytics and/or Google Adsense. And don't say you have Adblock, because 99% of the people out there don't. So while you may be safe, Google will still know your friend's internet usage.

    15. Re:Long answer? by Xemu · · Score: 1

      If that is a sign of failure, the Web has failed long ago, when everyone started to make his own homepage without having anything worthwhile to offer. I guess 99.99% of those home pages were never read by anyone, too.

      It's neither a sign of success, not failure. The sign of success will be when the right stuff is read and the other stuff is unread. The ratio between read/unread is irrelevant.

      --
      Tell your friends about xenu.net
    16. Re:Long answer? by molnarcs · · Score: 1

      Short answer: Yes and No. The twitter as it exists today will be gone. There are already people abandoning Twitter to G+ (Trey Ratcliff, for example). Twitter existed because it's different from facebook. On facebook, every relationship is mutual. You are "friends" with everybody. On twitter, you can follow or be followed. G+ is a combination of the two. G+ is more of a danger (short term) to twitter than to facebook. However, I don't think Google is out to bulldozer twitter. I believe that they are truly trying to build something different. And I do support their insistence on real names, for a variety of reasons. Facebook allowed a niche for twitter by being less effective at one to many communication. That's why journalists and the media is on Twitter. Google does that, and more - but it also leaves a niche for twitter: anonymity. I think Twitter has a chance of survival as long as Google insists on real names on G+. Most people who comment here are looking at the picture as it is right now. Yeah, twitter is big, but G+ does everything twitter does and more! You don't have to be "friends" with everybody just to get the word out. You can push out info to "followers" - but if a follower decides to comment on your info, all his friends will be able to see it. Twitter has no such mechanism.

    17. Re:Long answer? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      If you're really that paranoid, just don't use Facebook, Twitter, Google or whatever. It's really not compulsory.

      Thing is, everyone wants to have their cake and eat it. They want anyone to be able to contact them easily, and to have live GPS-enabled data on stuff, but they don't want to pay the price, which is Google (or Facebook) gleaning marketing information from them.

      Anyone is at liberty to set up their own social networking.application if they feel like it, it's not like the government forces everyone to sign up to Facebook.

      --
      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
    18. Re:Long answer? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      The funny bit is that practically no tweets actually have any substance in them.

      Well all of us smartarses can just sit back and ignore Twitter then can't we?

      --
      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
    19. Re:Long answer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For something to be obsolete, doesn't it have to have had* a use before?
      If yes, then how can anything render Twitter "obsolete"?

      ___
      (* Hmm... I'm no native speaker... Is this proper English? Looks weird...)

    20. Re:Long answer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But the beauty of twitter is (a) its short and (b) you don't have to listen. Someone follows you on Twitter, you don't have to follow them back.

    21. Re:Long answer? by realityimpaired · · Score: 1

      Real names, I don't object to. I use my real name on Facebook, and that's not a problem. What I object to is that G+ insists that I make that public, and that I allow my profile to be public and searchable. I don't want it to be so, and as long as G+ insists on that, I'm not touching it.

      And don't give me that bullshit about it just being your name and gender. Even that is too much information for me to be wanting to share with the random fucks around the world. And knowing Google, it's going to remain just your name and gender until they decide enough people have signed up, at which point it's going to become more than that. And with them deleting profiles of people who don't comply? No effing way. Not touching it.

      How bad does it have to be that I think Facebook is a better option for my privacy?

    22. Re:Long answer? by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 1

      People will not leave twitter because of the features it lacks, it works well enough already at what it does

      Google+ will only take over if more interesting people are posting on Google+ than Twitter ...

      Like Facebook, it was the one most people ended up on, not because it was the best, most secure, easiest to use etc ... but simply that was where most people were so the rest followed

      --
      Puteulanus fenestra mortis
    23. Re:Long answer? by elsurexiste · · Score: 1

      That's right, but publications, comments and likes are not shared in both ways, and it has been bothering me for a while. :(

      And now, Google+ is in the mix. *sigh*

      --
      I rarely respond to comments. Also, don't ask for clarifications: a brain and Google are faster, believe me!
    24. Re:Long answer? by justforgetme · · Score: 1

      Another way of thinking is to keep you personal info segregated:

      email : Yahoo || private || alt
      friendShite: facebook || alt
      shoutCasting: twitter || alt

      fill in your own subcategories as necessary.

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      -- no sig today
    25. Re:Long answer? by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      If you don't like these users, there's an easy solution: Unfollow them. Suddenly marketing departments and mundane-updaters will vanish from your stream and you'll see only the users whose updates you like seeing.

      --
      My sci-fi novel, Ghost Thief, is now available from Amazon.com.
    26. Re:Long answer? by bberens · · Score: 1

      Everything else?

      So while you may be safe, Google will still know your friend's internet usage.

      I think the word "safe" is a little hyperbole.. Clearly my friend isn't concerned about anyone knowing their internet usage habits. Frankly, I'm not all that concerned about my habits either. I block analytics because it often kills load time on web sites. So far the only tangible result of Google sniffing my information is that I receive more meaningful search results. The cost of that was letting Google know my browsing habits. I'm okay with that.

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      Check out my lame java blog at www.javachopshop.com
    27. Re:Long answer? by bberens · · Score: 1

      Buzz never really caught on anywhere as far as I know. Orkut, on the other hand, while a flop in the US was huge in some other countries (namely Brazil). I wonder what the long term path is for that.

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      Check out my lame java blog at www.javachopshop.com
    28. Re:Long answer? by Crudely_Indecent · · Score: 1

      This is why they have failed. Nobody is interesting enough to follow.

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      "Lame" - Galaxar
    29. Re:Long answer? by Toonol · · Score: 1

      Well, I know you're male.

    30. Re:Long answer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And my city can't broadcast snow emergency information on Google+, because my city is not a real person.

    31. Re:Long answer? by realityimpaired · · Score: 1

      Do you, really? There's an awful lot of women who post here, not to mention transgendered individuals who may identify as one, both, or neither of the traditional genders. With a gender-neutral name like "realityimpaired" how, exactly, do you "know" this? What is it that gives you a strong enough impression of my masculinity to make such a declaration?

    32. Re:Long answer? by crashumbc · · Score: 1

      That's exactly why Google is going after celebrities...

      Actually now that I think about it. This is insanely smart of google. this may work where Buzz failed...

      Buzz failed because it tried to directly compete with FB, but here is the thing, the strength of a social network is the number of users more then anything. so it failed, there was no compelling reason to leave FB.

      By integrating the twitter "follow" feature it allows Google the leverage, to get people to switch... They get people to switch to "follow" lady gaga or who ever... Once enough people join, they start realizing Google+ does every thing FB does and FB slowly dies off the same way Myspace did...

      It actually could work..

    33. Re:Long answer? by aztektum · · Score: 1

      You know Twitter doesn't force you to follow those people, right?

      I have NASA, funny celebs, and a few friends that typically only post content I would enjoy but otherwise miss.

      You have to put a little effort in to get something of value out. I for one have no desire to setup G+ and deleted my Facebook over a year ago. Twitter suits my needs just fine.

      It would actually be nice if G+ did steal some thunder. Less noise on the channel.

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      :: aztek ::
      No sig for you!!
    34. Re:Long answer? by PCM2 · · Score: 1

      If you're really that paranoid, just don't use Facebook, Twitter, Google or whatever. It's really not compulsory.

      I don't think he's being paranoid. He has a point. I get Internet service from one company, VoIP phone service from another, domain registration from another, Web hosting from still another... I just don't think it behooves me to have a single company managing all of those services. What happens if I decide I don't like the company?

      --
      Breakfast served all day!
    35. Re:Long answer? by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      1) Why have a "subset" at all is what I'm saying. Yes, Google + is more than Buzz, which is why Buzz will be integrated/migrated into what Google+ already has. There is no need to have Buzz and Plus at the same time, since Plus does what Buzz does, and more and often better.

      2) Invites are still required. Though I've not had any issues giving mine out. Seems like an endless supply.

      It seems you mostly agree with me.

      --
      Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
    36. Re:Long answer? by HermMunster · · Score: 1

      G+ allows you to mark your profile so that it won't be indexed by any search engine.

      --
      You can lead a man with reason but you can't make him think.
    37. Re:Long answer? by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 1

      ...Facebook has a Follow feature for celebrities ... and some of them just pipe their Twitter feed through it ...

      --
      Puteulanus fenestra mortis
    38. Re:Long answer? by Toonol · · Score: 1

      There aren't a lot of hard facts here, but I'd estimate the percentage of female posters as no more than a couple percent, and the number of transgendered as less than one in a thousand. Plus, more importantly, you write like a guy.

      I know that seems sexist (although I would argue it's not). I know that's doesn't prove anything with logical certainty. But as a practical matter, it doesn't need to.

    39. Re:Long answer? by realityimpaired · · Score: 1

      Amusing... on what basis do you say that I write like a guy? Is it because I'm not afraid to drop a cuss word into the conversation where it's appropriate? Is it because I get up in arms about my privacy, and that doesn't fit into your understanding of how women work? Is it because you've never seen a woman get confrontational when something strikes her ire?

      I do genuinely want to know where you're getting this impression.... do share. I want to hear it.

  3. Long Live Twitter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But on Twitter I can use any name I wish ...

    1. Re:Long Live Twitter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even your real name, which has already gotten a ton of users suspended on G+ at which point they are required to submit a government issued photo ID to prove it... Seriously fuck G+.

    2. Re:Long Live Twitter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh christ, relax. They have these identity problems on Twitter too.

      No, it's not your fault if your name is Ashton Kutcher. But yes, it's going to be a problem with some services.

    3. Re:Long Live Twitter by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      I guess this man might also get problems if he wants to get on Google+ :-)

      --
      The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
    4. Re:Long Live Twitter by fferreres · · Score: 1

      I also don't like the way Google tries to become the only tool we'll ever need. It's even worst than embrace and extend. They go for the kill with no even temporary hugs. Google is becoming the most dangerous company in the world. They know more about anyone that their closest person to you. And they are never satisfied and look for ways to destroy other firms using the power of their integrated platform. The only thing that prevented them from doing more harm is probably Apple.

      --
      unfinished: (adj.)
    5. Re:Long Live Twitter by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I also don't like the way Google tries to become the only tool we'll ever need. It's even worst than embrace and extend. They go for the kill with no even temporary hugs. Google is becoming the most dangerous company in the world. They know more about anyone that their closest person to you. And they are never satisfied and look for ways to destroy other firms using the power of their integrated platform. The only thing that prevented them from doing more harm is probably Apple.

      If you're relying on Apple to promote privacy, openness and competition you're in for a huge disappointment.

      --
      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
    6. Re:Long Live Twitter by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      That's a huge benefit to me. I blog and tweet under a pseudonym. Nowhere there do I mention my real name. (My Slashdot account is from my younger days when I didn't care as much about using my real name. I don't link the two up in any way.) My Google+ profile, however, can't use my pseudonym. It has to use my real name. Big benefit to Twitter.

      --
      My sci-fi novel, Ghost Thief, is now available from Amazon.com.
    7. Re:Long Live Twitter by Requiem18th · · Score: 1

      This. Twitter goes along better with the way people manage their identity on the web. Pseudonymously.

      The way Google is handling Google+ makes it clear Google wants you to have only one account to be THE account "to bind them all". Not even Facebook does that although it's probably because it tries to and does a lousy job.

      --
      But... the future refused to change.
  4. An internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just one Internet? All the cool kids have at least 2 Internets.

    1. Re:An internet by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Screw you! I'll get my own internet. With blackjack. And hookers.

      Erh... ok, that joke doesn't work in this case. It wouldn't be much different from the original internet.

      --
      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    2. Re:An internet by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Just one Internet? All the cool kids have at least 2 Internets.

      I thought only old people use Internets?

      --
      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
  5. Twitter exists to do less by timeOday · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If were about "doing more," people would still just be using email (and email lists) over twitter. It's all the restrictions of twitter that prevent it from being a nuisance that made it stick.

    1. Re:Twitter exists to do less by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. I don't want to see the pictures and videos unless I click on them. I don't care if 84710284201248 people liked it, I only care if I liked it. I don't want to be in someone's hangout, or circle, or huddle, or whatever new word Google pulls out of the dictionary next.

    2. Re:Twitter exists to do less by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Geeks and nerds don't 'get' normal people.
      People want toasters, they put toast in, push a button, toast!
      How are so many otherwise smart people oblivious to what normal people want?
      Twitter is a text board toaster, they type a thought, or maybe a link to a cat picture, they're happy.

    3. Re:Twitter exists to do less by ManTaboo · · Score: 2

      Here is why geeks and nerds are smarter though... They put bread in their toasters. I don't like burnt toast no matter how much you scrape it nor how much butter an jelly you put on it.

    4. Re:Twitter exists to do less by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, because seeing 10,000 140 character posts about people buying shoes and going to the bathroom every day is certainly not a nuisance.

    5. Re:Twitter exists to do less by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Twitter isn't a nuisance to me since I am not stupid enough to use it. I created an ID on it once because it was required to enter a contest that I wanted to enter (and had to think hard about whether I really wanted to enter because of that requirement). I finally caved, created the account and entered the contest. I've logged on to Twitter maybe 5 times since then and it is the silliest inane service ever. I guess it literally is for twits.

    6. Re:Twitter exists to do less by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Haha, seriously, where can I buy premade toast that I can burn in my toaster?

    7. Re:Twitter exists to do less by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 1

      I saw some at a convenience store the other day. Or at least the package claimed it was toast; looked more like stale bread to me.

    8. Re:Twitter exists to do less by Mana+Mana · · Score: 1

      > It's all the restrictions of twitter that prevent it from being
      > a nuisance that made it stick.

      I dunno, I'm not feeling you not feeling the article mentioned; I can see that you did not read it. But then again, I'm not feeling the OPs reference' logic: babe! tv did not kill radio, it thrived addressing a different purpose.

      However, tv-then could not change its stripes. G+ can, and will do it more so over time: 3rd party APIs, apps, concision apps---ya know, twitter like shiz---and fill-in-the-blank approaches heretofore undreamed.

      If I had to wager, as Twitter founders did in rejecting Google's high takeover bid a couple years ago going it solo, my money I'd pass on twitter stock.

    9. Re:Twitter exists to do less by e4g4 · · Score: 1

      If you follow the right people on twitter, it is an excellent source for news, announcements, system status change updates, etc. It is hands down the most efficient way to rapidly convey new information to a large number of people. Don't follow people who tweet their bowel movements - not everyone uses twitter as a trivial, personal diary; many actually use it to impart (or at the very least relay) new, relevant information. I felt the same as you for a very long time, until I was forced as a condition of employment (at a startup very dependent on social media) to create and use a twitter account. I learned very quickly that if you choose the people you follow well, you can get a great deal of value out of twitter (and maybe even provide some yourself).

      --
      The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. - Albert Einstein
    10. Re:Twitter exists to do less by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 1

      Wait, you're saying twitter could be more of a nuisance?

    11. Re:Twitter exists to do less by fermion · · Score: 1
      I don't know what Google+ does, and I don't care. I know what twitter does and I know it has been doing on simple thing for a few years. I know that people have not been randomly kicked off of twitter, and I know that twitter is not integrated with other services that can be put into jeopardy. I also know that Google starts these little projects with much fanfare(Wave, Jaiku, Answers, etc) and then cancels them as they feel like.

      It is possible that Google+ will last, historical evidence indicates that people are spending a great deal of time on something that may not even exist next year.

      --
      "She's a scientist and a lesbian. She's not going to let it slide." Orphan Black
    12. Re:Twitter exists to do less by ryanov · · Score: 1

      I thought the same, and since have figured it's probably useful for organizations -- it allows them to send out brief bits of information that would require much more padding/salutations/etc. to look professional in an e-mail. Of course, organizations that hold meetings/etc. have something to say, unlike Joe Schmoe and his incredible recently-eaten pancake breakfast or other mundanities.

    13. Re:Twitter exists to do less by Homburg · · Score: 1

      It's really unfortunate that Twitter forces you to follow 10,000 people who post about shoes and shitting. It would be so much more useful if it let you choose whose tweets you read.

    14. Re:Twitter exists to do less by CrackedButter · · Score: 0

      I'm not forced to follow anybody, I don't know what Twitter you're using but it isn't the same as my Twitter!

    15. Re:Twitter exists to do less by drunkennewfiemidget · · Score: 0

      Hey, you see that up there? Look a little harder. You might need to put on glasses.

      That was the sarcasm flowing clearly over your head at a distance of 300 meters.

      For you, sir, -1 Internets.

    16. Re:Twitter exists to do less by Seumas · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Twitter is about a uni-directional attention-whore self-absorbed broadcasting medium. Let me broadcast as much inanity and bullshit about my life to tens of thousands of people who are hanging on my every word, because I have a podcast, a tech blog, an album, or a pair of tits. Twitter is about catering to attention-whores and their sycophants and as a result, there will always be a place for *any* utility that facilitates the experience of said attention-whore the broadest and easiest.

    17. Re:Twitter exists to do less by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet people are essentially using twitter to do proprietary and broken RSS.

    18. Re:Twitter exists to do less by Pieroxy · · Score: 1

      If were about "doing more," people would still just be using email (and email lists) over twitter. It's all the restrictions of twitter that prevent it from being a nuisance that made it stick.

      Are you saying you can send an email to EVERYONE? I mean, to the whole intarweb ?

      Because that's all that Twitter does, really

    19. Re:Twitter exists to do less by Pieroxy · · Score: 1

      Wait, you're saying twitter could be more of a nuisance?

      It can always be worse. The "worse" scale has a zero, but it can go down to negative values down to infinity.

    20. Re:Twitter exists to do less by Lennie · · Score: 2

      I wouldn't bet on Twitter remaining for long either. They are operating at a loss and venture capital is the only thing keeping it going right now. For years they literally said they didn't know if they even had a business model.

      Is Twitter is to big to fail ? After all it is 4 times as big as MySpace (and supposedly it failed).

      The people that invested in Skype did get their money back, Microsoft probably won't directly. Maybe indirectly, we don't know.

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      New things are always on the horizon
    21. Re:Twitter exists to do less by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not true. Twitter is different from email, it's "less" but also "more": you just can't use email for hat twitter is good at. Google+ however is all of Twitter with the option to do more.

      The above doesn't mean Google+ will be a runaway success but it does mean your comparison is not valid.

    22. Re:Twitter exists to do less by Kidbro · · Score: 1

      No. Twitter only sends its "email" to those that are subscribed, and those that check the archives.

      Exactly like an email list.

    23. Re:Twitter exists to do less by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Exactly. I don't want to see the pictures and videos unless I click on them. I don't care if 84710284201248 people liked it, I only care if I liked it. I don't want to be in someone's hangout, or circle, or huddle, or whatever new word Google pulls out of the dictionary next.

      Clusterfuck has a suitable ring to it.

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      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
    24. Re:Twitter exists to do less by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I saw some at a convenience store the other day. Or at least the package claimed it was toast; looked more like stale bread to me.

      Well, if it was burnt stale bread, that's pretty much the definition of cold toast.

      --
      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
    25. Re:Twitter exists to do less by tehcyder · · Score: 2

      Yes, because seeing 10,000 140 character posts about people buying shoes and going to the bathroom every day is certainly not a nuisance.

      If you read 10,000 posts about people buying shoes and going to the bathroom every day, there is something wrong with you, not the posters.

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      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
    26. Re:Twitter exists to do less by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Twitter is about a uni-directional attention-whore self-absorbed broadcasting medium. Let me broadcast as much inanity and bullshit about my life to tens of thousands of people who are hanging on my every word, because I have a podcast, a tech blog, an album, or a pair of tits. Twitter is about catering to attention-whores and their sycophants and as a result, there will always be a place for *any* utility that facilitates the experience of said attention-whore the broadest and easiest.

      If tens of thousands of people want to read about what I had for breakfast, what is wrong with my telling them? I'm not somehow forcing you to read the message (or even ignore), it's not like it's spam - you have to sign up to follow my tweets, and can stop following me whenever you like. As I understand it, being a non-Twiter user myself.

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      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
    27. Re:Twitter exists to do less by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1

      Clusterfuck has a suitable ring to it.

      For god's sake man: can't we leave politics out of this?

      --
      Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
    28. Re:Twitter exists to do less by Pulzar · · Score: 1

      I don't know what Google+ does, and I don't care.

      Don't let that stop you from commenting on it...

      --
      Never underestimate the bandwidth of a 747 filled with CD-ROMs.
    29. Re:Twitter exists to do less by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If were about "doing more," people would still just be using email (and email lists) over twitter. It's all the restrictions of twitter that prevent it from being a nuisance that made it stick.

      You clearly haven't seen the tens of thousands (millions?) of marketing accounts setup for nothing other than spewing advertisements. I'd say the signal to noise ratio on Twitter is in the 1:100 range if we're lucky. It's more likely to be in the 1:1000 range.

    30. Re:Twitter exists to do less by aztektum · · Score: 1

      Wow. Someone is mad because no one is following their Twitter.

      You've done a great job of generalizing Twitter users with your attention grabbing vitriol and hyperbole. Enjoy the karma(whoring).

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      :: aztek ::
      No sig for you!!
    31. Re:Twitter exists to do less by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      replace twitter with facebook, google+. or message boards, or email, or BBS...

      same thing, you little brand whore. They exist to get you to part with your money.

    32. Re:Twitter exists to do less by CrackedButter · · Score: 1

      Oh, didn't you see my sarcasm either? Dang, -1 for your sir as well.

  6. Twitter + by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 0

    This was my immediate reaction to Google + as well.

    My Google+ Prediction. It'll have a small impact on Facebook. It'll destroy twitter.

    Here is why I think Google+ isn't a facebook replacement and never will be: you can follow people without their permission. So that means people will be scanning your profile waiting for you to "slip up" and accidentally post to the wrong circle. Inevitably like Weiner Gate someone will.

    With Facebook there is one privacy setting for who can see your posts "Friends", "Friends of Friends", "Everyone" (or you can setup a custom privacy per-post. As a result I pretty much only see friends' posts on my news feed. On Google+ I'm already getting celebrity and industry semi-celebrity wall posts. Sure you can in the back of your mind know that your post is only going to your inner-circle. But it just feels so vulnerable sitting out in a sea of very public posts streaming onto your Google+ wall. You set that post you just made to "inner-circle"... right? Riiiiightt!?

    At least with Facebook you know the score. If you don't want them to see it. Don't friend them. If you didn't friend them and your defaults are setup so that only friend see your posts... you're golden. With Google+ your brother's new Baby announcement is going to be mixed with Perez Hilton's daily gossip. Perception is everything. As soon as people start using Google+ like twitter (and they will, who doesn't want to follow Steve Martin?) the perception of privacy will be gone.

    Google+ is Twitter+ and it's a welcome replacement to the rediculous and archaic monster that is Twitter but you're one Weineresque DM away from never using it for anything personal ever again.

    Do you feel lucky punk? Well, do ya?

    https://plus.google.com/106339468652977106822/posts/NEPcKejKv2b

    1. Re:Twitter + by MrMarket · · Score: 2

      People think focus means saying yes to the thing you've got to focus on. But that's not what it means at all. It means saying no to the hundred other good ideas that there are. You have to pick carefully. -Steve Jobs

    2. Re:Twitter + by Lysander7 · · Score: 1

      I'm fairly certain I won't "slip up" and post half nude pictures of myself while in a relationship and in a position of prestige. Actually, it's really not that hard.

    3. Re:Twitter + by zero0ne · · Score: 1

      You can "delete" a post you put on there pretty easily.

      I'm not saying it would stop anything major, but if you accidentally post those honeymoon pictures to your co-workers circle, you can easily delete the post and re-post to the correct group (MidEast Swingers circle).

    4. Re:Twitter + by Bob+Cat+-+NYMPHS · · Score: 3, Funny

      >Actually, it's really not that hard.

    5. Re:Twitter + by garcia · · Score: 1

      Why Google+ isn't Twitter for me:

      Anyone I don't know who follows me on Google+ gets moved to "Blocked".

      Anyone I don't know who follows me on Twitter, as long as they don't spam me, is ignored. I only follow people I know or I find very interesting who is being followed and is following another person I know.

      ---

      Honestly, for me, Google+ is useless and because it doesn't tie in with other applications I use (Hootsuite, etc), I have no use for it and I rarely pay attention to it.

      YMMV.

    6. Re:Twitter + by ZankerH · · Score: 1

      That's cute, but even if you "follow" someone, you only see his public posts unless they also add you to a circle and share a post with that circle. And I have a feeling there won't be many public posts on Google+, seeing as how most people are treating it as Facebook without the privacy issues.

    7. Re:Twitter + by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Have you tried Viagra?

    8. Re:Twitter + by SQLGuru · · Score: 1

      Quite a few of the popular Twitter follows (Weaton, Day, etc.) are also doing the whole Google+ thing.....

    9. Re:Twitter + by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      ...seeing as how most people are treating it as Facebook without the privacy issues.

      Which is pretty bizarre when you think about it.

      --
      "Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies."
    10. Re:Twitter + by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 1

      +1,000,000 Insightful. All the karma you want for that one baby.

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      -- I ignore anonymous replies to my comments and postings.
    11. Re:Twitter + by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1

      seeing as how most people are treating it as Facebook without the privacy issues.

      Without the privacy issues? Unless you are careful, Google knows what you're searching the web for. It knows what locations you're asking directions to. It may have your e-mail on its servers. And now it has your social graph.

      Google+'s privacy issues are an order of magnitude greater than Facebook's, just because it's Google.

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      Tom Swiss | the infamous tms | my blog
      You cannot wash away blood with blood
    12. Re:Twitter + by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      You're assuming Google+ users are also Facebook users and will make some errors due to confusion. I think there will be lot of non-Facebook users on Google+ who won't do stupid stuff like Weiner-gate because they've never used social networking before and don't go into it with the assumption that only friends see my stupid stuff. People who like Facebook will keep using Facebook, they don't need two sites to monitor every minute.

    13. Re:Twitter + by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Isn't that one of the main features, that you can follow someone without getting permissions? That doesn't mean you'll be spammed. Anyone can see your posts anyway if you make them public, all the "follow" does it make sure they see them sooner than later. If you don't want friends outside of your circles seeing the posts, then don't make them public.

    14. Re:Twitter + by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you seriously just copy and paste a google+ status update? and then you fucking linked it? God, why not screenshot your facebook status and post it to digg or reddit?

      You suck at the internet.

    15. Re:Twitter + by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      Facebook is the same way, if someone requests you they will get any public posts you make in their news feed

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      Snowden and Manning are heroes.
    16. Re:Twitter + by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least with Facebook you know the score. If you don't want them to see it. Don't friend them. If you didn't friend them and your defaults are setup so that only friend see your posts... you're golden.

      Oh. My. God.

      That's a lot of trust.

      You're sending things to a third party. You really have no idea what they're doing with it or to whom they'll show it. If you want to send things to just friends and really know it, that's what email is for.

      The best attitude is to assume that anything you send to a social networking service, is totally public. And once you realize that, then there's no difference between Google+ and Facebook, in that regard.

    17. Re:Twitter + by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      I think the point is that, prestige or not, society shouldn't be allowed to strip you of it for unrelated actions.. If you're a prestigious scientist, you shouldn't lose that because you had an affair, you should lose it for failing to live up to being a good scientist. social groupthink tends to like lashing out with irrational punishment simply to magnify the damage as much as possible instead of staying within context. This process is the number one reason authority figures lose the respect they so crave, as these people are the tips of this collective group, enforcing these irrational expectations on the rest of us.

      The problem with stuff like google+, facebook and the rest is that stuff you did in the past is up there for all time, ready to be judged by current attitudes.. you can delete it sure, if the vendor lets you, but is it really gone? if you're that prestigious, you can bet it will haunt you for life. just look at hollywood celebrities. they are a prime example of the effect I'm talking about. their careers make or break based solely on public groupthink's attitude towards them. No wonder they're all crazy. This collection of group-attitudes is NOT rational and needs to be kept in check, or these relatively new zero anonymity chat networks coupled with the above mentioned age old groupthink mentality will enslave us all.

    18. Re:Twitter + by Omestes · · Score: 1

      So that means people will be scanning your profile waiting for you to "slip up" and accidentally post to the wrong circle. Inevitably like Weiner Gate someone will.

      Who?

      And again, don't EVER share anything that can harm you on the internet, no matter what service you use.

      . If you didn't friend them and your defaults are setup so that only friend see your posts... you're golden.

      Oddly this doesn't work. I recently had a bit of a legal battle with someone, and then later, though some diligent scanning of Facebook, managed to find that they weren't honoring legal terms, and used that against them. Worse, I circumvented their security settings (blocking me) by enlisting my girlfriend, and some other people in their "friends" list's accounts, one or two of which were only "friends" to monitor their account for illegal activities.

      This is possible on Facebook, this is possible on Google+.

      The one thing that Google+ has over Facebook, and Twitter, is the lack of moronic, arbitrary, character limits. I can actually write something substantial. There is only so much depth that you can convey with 160 characters, which pretty much forces conversations into the realm of "I pooped!". I'm hoping Google eventually ties Google+ into Docs, so I can actually use it for useful collaboration.

      But then again I realize I'm bizarre, since I realize that people are as interested in my banal, day-to-day, life as I am in theirs. Not at all.

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    19. Re:Twitter + by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cool story bro.

      I'm actually clinically paranoid, but somehow your scaremongering didn't make me cringe, something is off.. oh right I'm not doing shady stuff on the web. If Larry want to smear his face in the list of my searches, the he can do it, he can pretty much choke himself in my social graph for all I care. If you think Google and Facebook report to different bosses you're just a tool.

    20. Re:Twitter + by Lennie · · Score: 1

      And some of the 'biggest people on Twitter' also post on Facebook. It did not make Twitter irrelevant.

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  7. Tag it! by chill · · Score: 1

    And nothing of value was lost.

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  8. Not Cheap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One Internet please!

  9. Answer in less than 140 characters... by H0D_G · · Score: 1

    No.

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  10. Huh? by PJ6 · · Score: 1

    I thought Twitter already obsolete.

  11. Nonsense! by CheShACat · · Score: 1

    "While Google+ will soon do all the things Twitter does, Twitter can't support a long list of the things Google+ supports"

    Since when has featureset been Twitter's strong point?! It's managed to own all other competition while staying remaining in and of itself a platform that you can post 140 characters of text on, nothing more.

    1. Re:Nonsense! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amen, the best technical solution has little to do with the winner of any popular consumer competition.

  12. Google+ is better than Ford Edsel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    While Google+ will soon do all the things Twitter does, Twitter can't support a long list of the things Google+ supports.

    Yes, Google+ has almost has all the cool features, just like the Ford Edsel.

    And its designed and marketed by a billion dollar company, so you know everybody will want it.

  13. Also on Google+, you can ..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ..... lose everything without notice for choosing the "wrong" name.

    1. Re:Also on Google+, you can ..... by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      haha! but its true.

      the ladyada situation (so to speak) told me more than I needed to know.

      avoid google and especially g+.

      (btw, how much is google paying everyone to hawk its wares? I don't get why there is so much yak about this bullshit. social networking blah blah - info grab is more like it.

      hey, when you're young, you don't know any better. go ahead, tell the friggin world about your tiniest personal details. it can NEVER come back to harm you. (bwahahaha!)

      suckers.

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    2. Re:Also on Google+, you can ..... by ukpyr · · Score: 1

      Oh dad, get off the network before you tell everyone about your trip to thailand last year.

    3. Re:Also on Google+, you can ..... by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      (btw, how much is google paying everyone to hawk its wares? I don't get why there is so much yak about this bullshit.

      Yeah, all these stupid Google+ stories are tying up space that could otherwise be filled with bitcoin stories!

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    4. Re:Also on Google+, you can ..... by Omestes · · Score: 1

      I still have no clue who "ladyada" is important, all I've seen is some rant about Google temporarily suspending her account. The articles blurb gave the authors credentials as "internet celebrity", which really built a fair amount of credibility.

      I don't see the big deal about using your real name, personally. It keeps the trolls at bay, and might help fighting sock puppets and astroturfing. I like that. Hell it might even keep people "friending" actual friends, and not random fictional entities, and complete strangers. And if you don't like it, you might be forced to pick a pseudonym that actually sounds like a real name. Oh dear.

      I stopped caring about sharing my real name awhile ago. Sure, I keep many public-facing accounts under aliases, but I also keep some accounts, the accounts I use for genuine networking, under my own name. Hell, I've got my old internet identity, "Omestes". A real sounding pseudonym for registering products. Another old handle for some other services I don't want linked to my internet identity or real name. And sometimes I use my own name, for time when I interact with real friends and acquaintances. I also have a couple older aliases bouncing around from the mid 90's, that I haven't bothered to change. Three of these identities have Facebook pages, two have Google+ accounts, all of them have their own email. Think of it as layers of security.

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  14. But... by MrEricSir · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...will Google lock me out of Gmail and other services if they decide my Twitter account violated the TOS?

    No? Well in that case I'll keep using Twitter and they can keep Google Plus.

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    1. Re:But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      See the answer straight from the horse's mouth: https://plus.google.com/113116318008017777871/posts/VJoZMS8zVqU.

    2. Re:But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How much does Facebook pay you per FUD comment, troll?

    3. Re:But... by ustolemyname · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up. Very informative reply by google.

      Proper link

    4. Re:But... by MrEricSir · · Score: 0

      About as much as you get paid for posting idiotic blather that has nothing to do with the topic, retard.

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    5. Re:But... by GoodNewsJimDotCom · · Score: 1

      This is the same reason I don't put all my games on the same email address for Battle.net.

      Lets say the arbitrarily ban you. They can ban you for all your games, game over!

    6. Re:But... by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 0, Troll

      its still bullshit.

      people NEED the freedom to pick aliases.

      DUH.

      I mean, duh! come on, google, I know you understand this.

      so why all the fuss and fight?

      what MOTIVES do you have, hmmm?

      somehow, I assume bad motives. you try to remove all anonymity - but that is BAD for us. good for you, but uhm, we don't exist FOR YOU. you exist for us. until you learn that, I say

      "goodbye google. and fuck you very much."

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    7. Re:But... by MrEricSir · · Score: 1

      At this point, the backpedaling by Google once again demonstrates they don't have a clue how to run a social network. The worst part is they seem incapable of admitting they made a mistake.

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    8. Re:But... by ThorGod · · Score: 2

      Sounds like a good reason to not use google+...

      I'll avoid any name conventions by sticking with gmail, thx

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    9. Re:But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NEED? Like you "need" to stfu, you mean? The only thing you NEED to do is pay taxes and die.
      If you WANT that feature, don't use google+. Sheesh, that was hard.

      Seriously, though, it'll stop a lot of abuse, and help maintain privacy. You can still use your alias on IRC, etc.

    10. Re:But... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      And this is why I have different Google accounts for different services. Yes, I had to tie my YouTube account to a GMail. Did I tie it to my "real" one? Heck no. Why? Because I don't plan to lose my GMail account over something I post on YouTube or vice versa.

      And why'd I bother to? What benefit do I have from "integrating" those services? I mean, aside of a lot of spam every time some idiot deems it necessary to "invite" me to his channel?

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    11. Re:But... by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      people NEED the freedom to pick aliases.

      I remain skeptical, but in fairness, it should be noted that in the answer you're dismissing, they do say they aspire to provide solutions for this and other use cases, they just aren't in place yet and don't misconstrue today's offering as the end product. We shall see...

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    12. Re:But... by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      This is the same reason I don't put all my games on the same email address for Battle.net. Lets say the arbitrarily ban you. They can ban you for all your games, game over!

      ...and nothing of value will be lost. :p

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    13. Re:But... by Prosthetic_Lips · · Score: 1

      Read article, still scares me. If I get reported for something, they will shutdown not just my G+ account, but could possibly block all linked accounts? I think the simplest workaround is: please don't link accounts for me. Oh wait, I don't have a choice.

      I think I'll keep my separate accounts. Or, like people above have said, create a G+ account just to see others' posts, but not actually use it for anything -- a glorified RSS feed. Wonderful :eyeroll:

    14. Re:But... by swillden · · Score: 2

      people NEED the freedom to pick aliases.

      If you read the link at the top of the linked post, you'll see that Google says they will support pseudonyms. Not right now, but eventually.

      People who NEED pseudonyms now should not use Google+. When it meets their needs, then they can hop on, if they like. I think Google is doing the right thing in not trying to support every use case right out of the starting gate.

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    15. Re:But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they said no they will not lock you out of any other services.
      this has been dubunked already.

    16. Re:But... by antdude · · Score: 1

      Watch. Google buys Twitter. :)

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    17. Re:But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So they want credit for reversing an unambiguously terrible policy?

      How about this for a policy? If you make any spelling mistake in a Slashdot comment, your IP is blocked, and you are banned forever and without recourse or warning. Also unbeknownst to you, they are enforcing British spelling & grammar rules, and are sticklers about the Oxford comma. No matter how short this policy would be in effect, it would be such poor judgement to begin with that I wouldn't be willing to wait around to see how many more attempts it takes to get things right.

      (Especially since this is not the first but the second terrible Google social networking blunder, their first was making public ever person you ever emailed in Gmail via Google Buzz - you didn't even have to know what Buzz was to have your privacy violated then!)

    18. Re:But... by djradon · · Score: 1, Interesting

      The Greater Internet Jerkwad Theory:
      Normal Person + Anonymity + Audience = Total Jerkwad

      As TheGratefulNet suggests, anonymity is very important. At least in the sense that we value intellectual freedom. Sometimes the quality/range/expressive power of the discussion improves too, so I guess we need it as a comunication tool. I don't know that we NEED tons of anonymity to survive as a species, but it does seem like one of the more enlightened human rights and a good thing to try to preserve.

      For now, we have plenty of technologies and forums supporting some degree of anonymity, and I don't see them going away just because Google+ landed on the individuation side. Bad news (for + users): Google+ will lose some userbase and some amount of the good things that anonymous communication can foster. Good news (for lovers of aliases-based communication): some other, less-omniscient service will get a market opportunity they wouldn't have had if Google+ allowed aliases.

      FWIW, I have a + alias-as-name and will probably drop 'em like Friendster if they make me change it. I already have a RealIdentity-style social network. (On Facebook. For now. Can't wait to try the Great Opensource Distributed Social Network that I know one of y'all is going to invent.)

    19. Re:But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is some of the worst markedroid speak I have read in a long long time.

    20. Re:But... by geminidomino · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Read article, still scares me. If I get reported for something, they will shutdown not just my G+ account, but could possibly block all linked accounts?

      Which article did you read? The one at the top of the subthread specifically points out that that is not the case. If you get all linked accounts blocked, it's because you were doing something that would always get all linked accounts blocked.

      When an account is suspended for violating the Google+ common name standards, access to Gmail or other products that donâ(TM)t require a Google+ profile are not removed. Please help get the word out: if your Google+ Profile is suspended for not using a common name, you won't be able to use Google services that require a Google+ Profile, but you'll still be able to use Gmail, Docs, Calendar, Blogger, and so on. (Of course there are other Google-wide policies (e.g. egregious spamming, illegal activity, etc) that do apply to all Google products, and violations of these policies could in fact lead to a Google-wide suspension.)

      NB: I don't trust Google any further than I can throw a Quantum Fireball underwater, but there are plenty of legitimate issues to worry about without clouding the issue with bogus ones.

      What started that, anyway? The only mass-block I heard about (admittedly, I'm not following it closely) was that twelve-year-old kid who didn't lie about his age and got blocked because the TOS of all google services says you have to be 13. Is that where this came from?

    21. Re:But... by epyT-R · · Score: 3, Insightful

      who is google to tell me what my name should be? I'll put whatever I want in there.. their policy is asinine, quit defending it.

    22. Re:But... by Asic+Eng · · Score: 1

      somehow, I assume bad motives. you try to remove all anonymity - but that is BAD for us.

      I tried to register a new youtube account - just because I'd like to keep that separate from G+, and was directed to an account confirmation page, asking me to give them my phone number so that they'd send me the confirmation code via SMS. I don't know what they are trying to pull there, but no fucking way.

    23. Re:But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod parent up for a broken link?? Oh, but some of you already did, huh? In any case there's no excuse for Google shutting people off wantonly from all of Google's functions over trivial things.

    24. Re:But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, only if it matched with actual reports from people being suspended. another thing, there's a reason why lulzsec uses twitter and not g+. g+ is.. well, it's the big brother twitter.

    25. Re:But... by FrootLoops · · Score: 2
      Did you even read the post? It says

      We’ve noticed that many violations of the Google+ common name policy were in fact well-intentioned and inadvertent and for these users our process can be frustrating and disappointing. So we’re currently making a number of improvements to this process

      If that's not an admission that they made mistakes, what is?

    26. Re:But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is really just a whole lot of "yeah we'll look into it eventually".

    27. Re:But... by realityimpaired · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And what about those of us who share names with celebrities, or things like that? The case of "Mike" Bolton from Office Space does actually happen in real life (case in point, if you google my name, you either come up with stories about somebody in Arizona who pissed off a Dell tech support agent, or you come up with somebody who's working as a model in the UK).

      And that's to say nothing of people who've legally changed their names in protest, or because it's funny. I had a prof in University who changed his last name to Strangelove when he got his PhD. There's also been a fairly well publicized incident last year in Canada because somebody who had changed his last name to Nobody was arrested during the G20 protests, and got abused by cops who thought he was lying about his name.... What's going to happen when somebody with a name like that signs up to Google+?

      I, for one, do *not* want to have to send them a copy of my driver's license just to prove that I am who I say I am. Frankly, it's not their fucking job to police anonymity on the Internet. I could sign up saying that I'm the Queen of Sheba, and they have no business asking me to prove that, because it's just an Internet site. If I was applying for a job, or wanting to run for public office, I could see the requirement for some proof of identity, but it's just a social network, and if they can't see the difference then I don't want to have anything to do with their stupidity.

    28. Re:But... by Kidbro · · Score: 2

      If you get all linked accounts blocked, it's because you were doing something that would always get all linked accounts blocked.

      Well, that's OP's point, isn't it? His twitter account and his gmail accounts are not linked, thus violating TOS of one of the services will not get the other locked. The reply from Google, linked a few parents up, only discusses the trivial naming policy violation, which I guess is an extremely small subset of possible violations.

    29. Re:But... by swillden · · Score: 1

      who is google to tell me what my name should be? I'll put whatever I want in there.. their policy is asinine, quit defending it.

      I think their policy makes sense, so I absolutely will defend it.

      I'll also point out that no one is requiring you to use Google+.

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    30. Re:But... by Prosthetic_Lips · · Score: 1

      I saw that two celebrities got banned (William Shatner and Alyssa Milano), both got their accounts blocked, no warning, no reason given. Both were complaining on twitter. I can't imagine they were lying about their ages, or trying to sell viagra / rolex watches ...

    31. Re:But... by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      viagra / rolex watches ...

      Yanno, after the Priceline contract, I could almost beleive that about Shatner...

    32. Re:But... by FrootLoops · · Score: 1

      While I like your post, I don't see how its relevant as a response to mine. Maybe you didn't mean to respond to my comment?

    33. Re:But... by cavebison · · Score: 1

      See the answer straight from the horse's mouth: https://plus.google.com/113116318008017777871/posts/VJoZMS8zVqU.

      I think think it's weird to put my real name on the net. I come from the olde worlde, when the internet began, and nobody used their real name, everyone was happy to correspond with pseudonyms.

      This "real name" thing is Facebook's fault, but I do have a FB account with a pseudonym. I don't like being forced to use my real name, as Google is indicating. I don't see the value in it for me.

      People I don't know, I don't care if they're called Frank Johnson or Petal Fruitwisp. My friends, I know what name they use because they're my friends. I don't need to "find" them.

      And I don't want people to "find" me. I don't want something I join or do or say on the internet being misinterpreted by an employer or whatever.

      Pseudonyms are a mark of personality after all, which is what a social profile is all about. It should be a choice, not a requirement. Anonymity was what the internet was all about, until fucking Facebook came along and demanded accurate demographics for their precious advertisters.

      That's what social services are all about, advertising, otherwise they wouldn't be developing them on such a scale. I resent having my choices curtailed to please corporates. That's what real life has been about, while the internet has been a haven away from all that.

      But now, thanks to huge companies running increasingly integrated, coalescing services, we will end up with no choices anymore but what they choose to give us. Apple's iUbiquity is an example of that. They want to know everything about us, crying foul if we protest, while themselves remaining unanswerable.

      Whether it's Rupert Murdoch, Sony, Apple or Google, powerful institutions should not demand we be transparent to them. That is far too much knowledge and power to give to people who are driven mainly by the profit motive.

  15. OMG, it's a superior product! by aiken_d · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That means it's sure to win. This reminds of of when OS/2 mopped the floor with Windows because it had superior multitasking and memory management!

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    1. Re:OMG, it's a superior product! by osu-neko · · Score: 3

      That means it's sure to win. This reminds of of when OS/2 mopped the floor with Windows because it had superior multitasking and memory management!

      If only they'd had a superior product... or at least a decent UI. Lacking that, all the wonderful multitasking and memory management in the world was pretty useless.

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    2. Re:OMG, it's a superior product! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The 1990s IBM / 2010s Google parallels are quite interesting, but I think there is a vital distinction: IBM did not have the experience creating a Joe-home-user / critical mass platform, rather they had experience with giving businesses what they wanted. Google on the other hand is a very adept at creating popular critical-mass-y platforms.

      The question, in my opinion, is not whether Google can succeed, but whether they will choose to put sufficient resources behind the attempt to do so (if you are confused by this, go read up on how products are built in the Googleplex).

    3. Re:OMG, it's a superior product! by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2

      Well, for its time, OS/2 Warp 3 had a wonderful GUI. Yes, they had that single message queue problem, but at least for me, it has never been a big problem. Of course, by today's standards, the GUI would be seriously lacking (although it had some features which I still miss at current systems -- but then I have to admit they were sometimes a bit buggy). But you have to remember, at that time Windows was at 3.11.

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    4. Re:OMG, it's a superior product! by rainhill · · Score: 2

      That means it's sure to win. This reminds of of when OS/2 mopped the floor with Windows because it had superior multitasking and memory management!

      well, actually windows won because it had better user experience overall, which rendered os2's various under-the-hood features less relevant.

    5. Re:OMG, it's a superior product! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Ah, yeah. I remember.
      Wasn't that in the year of Linux on the desktop? ;)

    6. Re:OMG, it's a superior product! by LWATCDR · · Score: 2

      Or when the Amiga mopped the floor with MS-DOS when it offered multi-tasking, no 640k limit, no segments, system support for stereo sound, graphics, and printing.
      Actually Google+ has become less useful because of Googles removing of some users. What makes Twitter useful to me are a few "users". Breaking News, BBC, NASA, and some other news sources. The tech bloggers that I follow on twitter I also follow on Plus but those news services are the ones that I want back.
      But then I have mostly left Facebook years ago. I show up once a week or so and almost all my posts are just my Twitter posts.

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  16. Totally agree by cshark · · Score: 1

    In a related news story, apples will replace oranges, pineapples will be outmoded by the superior engineering that is the banana, and red bull will totally replace water... except in toilets.

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    1. Re:Totally agree by petman · · Score: 2

      Forget red bull, use Brawndo - It's got electrolytes!

    2. Re:Totally agree by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      and red bull will totally replace water... except in toilets.

      Really? Damn, that's where it belongs!

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    3. Re:Totally agree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's got what plants crave!

    4. Re:Totally agree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In a related news story, apples will replace oranges, pineapples will be outmoded by the superior engineering that is the banana, and red bull will totally replace water... except in toilets.

      It has electrolytes. It's what plants crave.

  17. sometimes I need two or three Internets by buback · · Score: 1

    when it's slow, i find the extra internets really help with the twittering speed.

  18. Twitter's Business Model Anyhow by rueger · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Where Twitter loses is in monetizing traffic. In other words, Google knows how to use your traffic to feed you ads that sooner or later you click on. They do it well enough to make a lot of money.

    This works for Google because all of their products draw you into their web space, and you can't avoid being presented with Google Ads.

    The weakness of Twitter is that in many ways it's easier to use from a phone, Hootsuite, or some other client - even Google Plus with an add-on. There's never any need to actually visit the Twitter web site.

    Consequently they're stuck with those idiotic "Promoted Tweets" - which in my experience are so far removed from anything that interests me that I really think they're using chimpanzees instead of algorithms to place them.

    1. Re:Twitter's Business Model Anyhow by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      I don't look at the ads. You learn how to ignore them as they're only mildly relevant. They make some people money in a vacuous ecosystem, but for many of us, they're just visual noise in the background.

      Twitter doesn't have them, doesn't require a smartphone or above, and gets a lot of work done with great brevity. Google is like an army worth of features to get lost in, some good, some bad. Twitter is very and deceptively simple, and there's wisdom in doing at least one thing right.

      Yeah, I've tried G+. No, it's not the great white hope. And I trust Google with privacy like I trust a 12 year old kid with a loaded riot pump shotgun. You just know they're going to pull the trigger. It's in their DNA.

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    2. Re:Twitter's Business Model Anyhow by Weedhopper · · Score: 1

      I don't think I've ever clicked on a Google ad (or any other ad for that matter), except by accident.

    3. Re:Twitter's Business Model Anyhow by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      This works for Google because all of their products draw you into their web space, and you can't avoid being presented with Google Ads.

      so far, only on phones, do I get stuck with ads. and that's because I have not yet rooted my phone (will be, though, shortly).

      they can try to deliver ads all they want. I'll never see them. most of us won't, truth be told.

      google, to me, means 'select an element to hide' gets LOTS of exercise. and my cpu filters a LOT of bullshit from 'the internets'.

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    4. Re:Twitter's Business Model Anyhow by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1

      This works for Google because all of their products draw you into their web space, and you can't avoid being presented with Google Ads.

      What are these "Google Ads" of which you speak? Of course you can avoid being presented with them. Yes, most people don't bother to avoid them, but you can.

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    5. Re:Twitter's Business Model Anyhow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think your point of not seeing ads is totally valid for /.-ers. Ads, flash, all that nonsense is blocked on my computers.

      They are also blocked on my wife's computers, but only because I set it up for her. Otherwise she would get all that crap.

      The point I'm trying to make is that most internet users out there have no idea that blocking ads is possible. Even some of my friends who have more than average computer knowledge, use bare internet explorer. So until browsers will ship with ads blocked by default (which will probably never happen), google will just be fine serving up those ads.

      Then there are all the idevices and androids, those will have ads forever.

    6. Re:Twitter's Business Model Anyhow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The weakness of Twitter is that in many ways it's easier to use from a phone

      That's precisely its strength. It was never conceived as a get-rich scheme. The originator really views it as a vehicle to make a difference. He doesn't want to rule the world but sees value in that anyone WITHOUT an internet can use it.

    7. Re:Twitter's Business Model Anyhow by FrootLoops · · Score: 1

      I feel bad blocking ads on free sites. I get something from the site, and it seems fair for them to get something from me (a slightly higher statistic on some marketing company survey, I imagine). That said, I don't think I've ever clicked on an ad, with two exceptions: accidents, and googling something only to find the exact page I wanted in the ad at the top. Both of those are rare.

    8. Re:Twitter's Business Model Anyhow by c0lo · · Score: 1

      Now and then, on pages that were really useful to me and which also display Google ads, I'm actually clicking on a couple of the ad-links.
      You know... like a "thank you, here are some cents because I liked the content"... (I suppose that's why the author/publisher put them there).

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    9. Re:Twitter's Business Model Anyhow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have clicked on many ads, and bought at least one thing from an ad (maybe more, cant remember).

  19. Google what? by scottbomb · · Score: 1

    Does anyone even know what Google+ does? I got invited so I checked it out. I found it boring. As I was adding people to my circles, I discovered that most of them weren't even on Google+. There's no way to know for sure who's on it and who's not. That made no sense.

    1. Re:Google what? by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      Sure there is. If they have a mail icon next to their name, they're not on it and updates you send them are e-mailed to them. If they don't have a mail icon, they're on it (you can verify that by hovering over them, which will give you a link to their profile).

  20. Twitter works because its not a full socialnetwork by nzac · · Score: 2

    I kind of look at twitter as an rrs hosting service (for personal use) that put a web interface on the top and made a purpose built manager and search engine. Its main success was that the account was secondary to the "tweets" (so you did not need to share personal information, and you knew what you were sharing) and that they got media endorsement. The limitations lowered the barrier for the general public to use it.

  21. More like by VAElynx · · Score: 1

    Is Google+ rendered redundant by Twitter?

    1. Re:More like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Between Facebook and Twitter, why would I want to use Google+? So I can directly link my search, email and video watching with a profile visible to my friends and family? I think not. I'd much rather chose what I share. In fact I am happy to no-script google...

    2. Re:More like by dc29A · · Score: 1

      Zuck: They "trust me"
      Zuck: Dumb fucks.

      Good enough reason NOT to use Facebook.

    3. Re:More like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There seem to be an awful lot of people who either never use Twitter or never use Facebook or use neither who think that Google+ is the next big thing. Even if Google can stop shooting themselves in the foot over this (deleting accounts en masse, banning pseudonyms, publicly auto-friending your email contact list [Buzz]), few seem to realise that they are completely different services and Google+ doesn't really emulate Twitter in the slightest.

      At even a fundamental level, where is the search bar? Not the one to search for people, but the equivalent of a search of tweets for keywords and hashtags? That's what makes Twitter so powerful right now - it's an easy to search, instant, global discussion forum. How can you join a discussion if you can't find it? Yes, you can add people in advance and follow them, and apparently "sparks" are supposed to be used to organise things (although there's practically nothing on them at the moment). But on Twitter I see people on my stream talking about something, or see it trending, and in two seconds I can find out what that something is, see what everyone else is saying about it, and join the discussion, and find other interesting people to add to my stream. Those talking up Google+ as a replacement for Twitter seem to be those who think Twitter is all about talking about bowel movements with your friends. And talking it up as a replacement for Twitter rather than Facebook will guarantee it goes the same way as Buzz.

    4. Re:More like by fferreres · · Score: 1

      Because everyone is forgetting Android and how Google is doing the very assimilate and destroy that Microsoft did when Windows was the sole interface to internet for the vast population.

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  22. RFC 1918: Address Allocation for Private Internets by tepples · · Score: 5, Funny

    Can I get "an Internet"?

    RFC 1918 explains how to set up your own internet.

  23. First step by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First step is to let in the users. Need to get me an invite.

  24. It's IM all over again by williamhb · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Remember when because some of your colleagues were on ICQ or AOL but some were on Yahoo Messenger but some were on MSN but some had started to move to Skype etc you ended up having to have accounts with all of them because you don't control which account the person you need to speak to likes to use? And the techies amongst us started wanting tools like Kopete to deal with our plurality of accounts? That's the direction I see social networks going in. Already there are people who are Facebook friends whose Facebook status updates come from their Twitter app. Meanwhile many Twitter posts are there to point me to blog articles on blogs that I could also individually follow using RSS. And all those social communities hasn't, for instance, stopped me doing the old fashioned form of community of visiting and commenting on sites I like, like Slashdot. One more social network does not necessarily mean death to the rest. I don't see Twitter and Facebook following Bebo and MySpace into insignificance. It means yet another system I'll need to have an account on because people I need/want to follow/talk to use it. It does not mean I have a new single account that I consider to be my identity -- "me on the web" -- it means I'll have (well, if someone sends me an invite) an additional personally identifiable account on the Web. I think interoperability between social networks is going to be the next big battleground.

    1. Re:It's IM all over again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah... But you forget one very important constraint; time. While the individual uniqueness of the product might lead to diversity, the resource constraint of time could lead to conglomeration. Much like how all those messaging clients were conglomerated. The question is, how the population decides to conglomerate everything that will ultimately decide the fates of Facebook, Twitter, Yelp, and many more small social networks.

    2. Re:It's IM all over again by QuantumRiff · · Score: 1

      Gwibber seemed promising, but horribly slow. I hear the new version is very, very much slimmed down.

      --

      What are we going to do tonight Brain?
    3. Re:It's IM all over again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's your email? I'll send you an invite.

    4. Re:It's IM all over again by trapnest · · Score: 1

      Trying this again logged in... What's your email? I can send you an invite.

    5. Re:It's IM all over again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think interoperability between social networks is going to be the next big battleground.

      Lol. The value of a social network (from a "for the investors" POV) is in exclusivity, you need a captive audience to exploit for profit otherwise you have no income, interoperability is the exact opposite of creating captives. This is why Facebook is doing its damndest to prevent people from exporting contacts, posts and what-not to prevent them from going to Google+ or even just running their own blog.

      In other words, freedom of choice for social networks will only exist when there is a single non-profit network with multiple 'faces' (sites, desktop apps) to access it. I don't see that happening anytime soon, even with Google.

    6. Re:It's IM all over again by node+3 · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Gwibber?

      Leave it to Linux/OSS folks to come up with a name even worse than the thing they are cloning that already has a fairly ridiculous name.

    7. Re:It's IM all over again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can create profiles for business right? Not him but I want a G+ invite too, to test the waters before creating a personal account, brownsky67gmail.

      Anon cause mod points ^ ^
      -tgfm

    8. Re:It's IM all over again by trapnest · · Score: 1

      I am pretty sure you can't, but I will send one anyways.

    9. Re:It's IM all over again by QuantumRiff · · Score: 1

      Unlike a good, strong name like "twitter"? (which is what gwibber was originally a client for)

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      What are we going to do tonight Brain?
    10. Re:It's IM all over again by node+3 · · Score: 1

      Um, that's what I said. My post wasn't very long. Just two sentences, and one of them was just one word long.

  25. Obsoletion, real names, and sockpuppetry by tepples · · Score: 1

    I thought Twitter already obsolete.

    You might be right. Have Twitter's sockpuppets posted anything in the past several months? But I guess the real name requirement will probably cut down on such sockpuppetry.

  26. Nein! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Twitter doesn't mass delete profiles like Google Plus does, so no Twitter won't go away any time soon.

    1. Re:Nein! by NuShrike · · Score: 2

      Yes, the issue of "real names" will keep Twitter more relevant. Twitter is what the Internet is about.

      Google+ Circles is just hypocrisy. Real Name v pseudonym is just different Circles. Begs the question of Circles existence.

      The lacking ability to filter on the receiving end (for the main Stream) doesn't help either.

  27. Yes, for now by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 2

    If you look at Google+ and Twitter as APIs, then you can implement Twitter using the Google+ API but not the reverse. That doesn't mean things can't change, but I bet a few Twitter project managers have been sleepless lately.

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    Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
    1. Re:Yes, for now by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1

      then you can implement Twitter using the Google+ API

      What Google+ API? Has one come out in the past few days? I'm waiting, because Google+ is useless to me until I can access it via an API. I can post to Facebook or Twitter via RSS or third-party clients.

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      Tom Swiss | the infamous tms | my blog
      You cannot wash away blood with blood
    2. Re:Yes, for now by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      You misread that. If you treat Google+ itself as an API and Twitter itself as an API, you can implement all the functionality of Twitter with components of Google+. However, Google+ has features that can't be implemented with components of Twitter as of today.

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      Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
    3. Re:Yes, for now by Xtravar · · Score: 1

      I bet a few Twitter project managers have been sleepless lately.

      Apple just integrated Twitter into iOS 5 (which is still in beta, but soon to be released). Considering Apple's antagonism with Google, G+ probably will not receive such first-tier treatement.

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      Buckle your ROFL belt, we're in for some LOLs.
    4. Re:Yes, for now by bWareiWare.co.uk · · Score: 1

      But you can also implement Twitter on a 70s era BBS. Remember Blogger and even YouTube predate Twitter, it was never about what it could do.

    5. Re:Yes, for now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      with that mindset, twitter was rendered obsolete by myspace long before twitter existed. or .plan. that's just not how things work though.

    6. Re:Yes, for now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you look at Google+ and Twitter as APIs, then you can implement Twitter using the Google+ API but not the reverse.

      Sure, and you can implement Facebook in Myspace with its "APIs". More is less.

    7. Re:Yes, for now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  28. Grammar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where would one acquire "an Internet" ?

  29. Big impact by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    GOOGLE + there are resources in the strategy far more than the FACEBOOK and TT, although FACEBOOK lasted a long time but GOOGLE's too broad, and I would like GOOGLE + will still snatch a large market...
    In the TT and GOOLGE + FACEBOOK also released my own site above information http://www.tanfoot.com, traffic is completely different, TT reproduced the largest number, FACEBOOK Click for a maximum, GOOGLE + comments for a maximum of

  30. Twitter's virtue is its brevity by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

    People use Twitter for quick updates and news, not for life stories. It's RSS for everyone. As an aside, this comment would fit on Twitter.

    1. Re:Twitter's virtue is its brevity by glwtta · · Score: 1

      People use Twitter for quick updates and news, not for life stories.

      Some people use Twitter for incessant quick updates, which amounts to the same thing (but more annoying).

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  31. Plenty to go around by Livius · · Score: 1

    They can both be obsolete.

  32. The Question Is Absurd by danaris · · Score: 1

    Seriously, if this were in any way correct, then Facebook would have already killed Twitter.

    Dan Aris

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    1. Re:The Question Is Absurd by he-sk · · Score: 3, Informative

      "Friending" on Facebook is different from "Following" on Twitter. On Facebook it's symmetrical -- I can't friend you, unless you also friend me. On Twitter it's asymmetrical -- you can follow me, without me following you back.

      This difference alone is why Facebook will never kill Twitter. (And I'm not even talking about the horrible UI mess that is Facebook, or it's atrocious privacy reputation.)

      Google+ follows Twitter's following philosophy and in that way is much more like to Twitter than Facebook is. OTOH, Twitter allows anonymity which Google+ sadly doesn't.

      --
      Free Manning, jail Obama.
    2. Re:The Question Is Absurd by Timmmm · · Score: 1

      No it wouldn't. Facebook is very different from Twitter. Google+ and Twitter are much more similar.

    3. Re:The Question Is Absurd by BitterOak · · Score: 1

      Google+ follows Twitter's following philosophy and in that way is much more like to Twitter than Facebook is. OTOH, Twitter allows anonymity which Google+ sadly doesn't.

      I'm not aware of an anonymous tweet button in Twitter. How exactly to Twitter and Google+ differ in that respect?

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      If I can be modded down for being a troll, can I be modded up for being an orc, or a balrog?
    4. Re:The Question Is Absurd by he-sk · · Score: 1

      Google+ requires real names and will suspend your account if they catch you violating that policy. Twitter has no such restrictions.

      I'm pretty sure though that Google will allow anonymous accounts in the future.

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      Free Manning, jail Obama.
    5. Re:The Question Is Absurd by JudasBlue · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure though that Google will allow anonymous accounts in the future.

      Well, there we go then. He-sk is pretty sure. So that's settled.

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  33. What about Diaspora? by tpstigers · · Score: 1

    Twitter will take a hit, but it will survive. It is enough different from G+ and FriendFace that it will continue to fit the needs of much of its user base. What I find most interesting is that nobody has mentioned Diaspora since Google+ launched. Is it a dead project?

    1. Re:What about Diaspora? by glwtta · · Score: 1

      What I find most interesting is that nobody has mentioned Diaspora since Google+ launched. Is it a dead project?

      Heh, it's not like the world was all aflutter with Diaspora news before Plus, either. It was a non-starter from the beginning - classic example of "technical solution to a non-technical problem".

      --
      sic transit gloria mundi
    2. Re:What about Diaspora? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I used diaspora extensively and found it frustratingly incomplete. All of the things i WISHED it did (and where Facebook, et al were also lacking), I find G+ does those things.

      I've never been a Facebook user. I have a page, but only so I can access calendars and things that some organizations post exclusively there.... but I've never posted on it. It felt too "public". I have to friend a couple of professional groups I belong to in order to see their schedule... I don't want them seeing my posts... so I can't post. Lame. Having two accounts? Double lame.

      I love the idea of being able to do the circles. That's the defining feature for me. Win for G+.

    3. Re:What about Diaspora? by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      What I find most interesting is that nobody has mentioned Diaspora since Google+ launched.

      That's because nobody mentioned Diaspora before Google+ was launched, either.

      In response to your comment, I have now mentioned it, but I honestly have no idea what we're talking about. I know what "diaspora" means, of course, but the only time I've ever seen it used with a big-D is when referring to the Jewish diaspora following the Babylonian exile. From the context in which you're using it, I'm guessing it's the name of some other social networking product that most people have never even heard of?

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      "Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies."
    4. Re:What about Diaspora? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Diaspora* is alive and well, development has been rapid since the summer started. There is are essentially no entry requirements, take a peak at diasp.org (joindiaspora.com is now sending out invites as well), search a few #hashtags (like #facebook, #googleplus), etc., follow some random people and see for yourself. If you find yourself tickled, or otherwise - not tickled, search for #devs and grab the ear of someone. It's a decent community.

  34. Semi-anonymous coward by eggman9713 · · Score: 1

    I have a Facebook, don't use it. I don't need Google+. Twitter is a good niche for me because it allows me to keep some track of my friends without having to know every damn thing they are doing. It also lends to being more anonymous. I don't really want my real name out there except to people I really know well. But I have plenty of followers on Twitter who like what I post and don't care that much EXACTLY who I am. Twitter lends itself well to that since neither Facebook nor G+ allow pseudonyms.

    1. Re:Semi-anonymous coward by vlm · · Score: 1

      I don't really want my real name out there except to people I really know well. But I have plenty of followers on Twitter who like what I post and don't care that much EXACTLY who I am.

      The problem is that 99.99% of the people using fake names are spammers, trolls, or other lowlifes. Its hard to allow them in, just to allow you to maintain anonymity.

      If, rather than binary "friending" they had a rating system even as crude as /.s, then anonymity could work. Look at the web-o-trust on freenet, at least when its not outputting java errors. (come on, java, really? on a deployed application? its just not enterprise grade much less end user grade)

      Until then, "A non-anonymous society is a polite society"

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      "Science flies us to the moon. Religion flies us into buildings." - Victor Stenger
    2. Re:Semi-anonymous coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001260268298

      You have your identity linked to the same email address all over the internet. Including...Facebook.

      You're not anywhere near being anonymous.

      You have the same username for ebay, youtube, steam and http://www.furaffinity.net/user/eggman9713/

      Holy Fuck. YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG

    3. Re:Semi-anonymous coward by eggman9713 · · Score: 1

      And if someone like me can totally not have a clue like you just demonstrated, then clearly the public has no chance. I thank you for your detective work and now I have some locking down to do. Thanks.

  35. Hulu will kill both by retroworks · · Score: 2

    The hypno-toad always wins.

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    Gently reply
  36. Twitter aren't arbitrary dicks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Twitter can't f*ck with my gmail account. I deleted my G+ profile specifically for this reason.

  37. ...and Odder, Mactrope, ibane, and all the rest by tepples · · Score: 1

    But on Twitter I can use any name I wish

    Yeah, like Erris, Mactrope, gnutoo, inTheLoo, willeyhill, westbake, Odder, ibane, deadzero, freenix, myCopyWrong, right handed, or GNUChop. Use any or all to promote GNU/Linux and dis M$.

  38. Re:RFC 1918: Address Allocation for Private Intern by SQLGuru · · Score: 2

    +1 Internets for you (because I'm all out of mod points)

  39. Shocking by The+Dawn+Of+Time · · Score: 0

    Shocking. A bunch of anti-social nerds post about how they hate social networking. I never would have seen these comments coming.

  40. Not until Google+ allows pseudonyms by grumbel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I really can't see Google+ replacing Twitter anytime soon, as Google+ has a strict requirement for real names and will even close accounts based on it. Twitter on the other side is fine with pseudonyms and gets used a lot with them, not only from people that want to keep their real names private, but also organizations and companies that use it as their news feed or just from fake personalities for commedy purposes.

    Google+ seems to have some plans to allow business use in the future, but right now they doesn't and it's not clear if they only allow that for money or also for the average make-shift organization (i.e. Anonymous, Wikileaks, Free Software stuff, etc.).

    As far as I see it, with it's requirement for real names Google has essentially taken a first real step to being evil, while Twitter on the other side seems to be a much more open platform that is used by a lot of people that don't want their real names to be known for one reason or another.

    1. Re:Not until Google+ allows pseudonyms by Radiophobic · · Score: 2

      As far as I see it, with it's requirement for real names Google has essentially taken a first real step to being evil, while Twitter on the other side seems to be a much more open platform that is used by a lot of people that don't want their real names to be known for one reason or another.

      How do you come up with that conclusion? That's like a child saying their parents are evil for making them go to bed at a reasonable hour. If you look at all the other social networks, a lot of griefing and spam comes out of people using fake accounts and psuedonyms. Its not impossible to do either of those on google+, but its certainly going to make people less likely to do it. I think griefing and spam is evil. I think that google is perfectly justified to prohibit the use of pseudonyms. Especially since its still in the beta phase, and they are still trying to work with a limited user base.

    2. Re:Not until Google+ allows pseudonyms by ADRA · · Score: 1
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    3. Re:Not until Google+ allows pseudonyms by grumbel · · Score: 1

      How do you come up with that conclusion? That's like a child saying their parents are evil for making them go to bed at a reasonable hour.

      Yes, and I am not five anymore, I don't need Google to tell me what to do and how to behave.

      If you look at all the other social networks, a lot of griefing and spam comes out of people using fake accounts and psuedonyms.

      So what? Filter it out. Trying to solve spam by removing anonymity from the net is among the most retarded things one can do. It sure might make the problem smaller, but it also removes the very reason why the net was interesting in the first place. And anyway, solving spam in a social network is really not that hard, as every social network essentially comes with a build-in web-of-trust, so you just need to throw a bit of math around to find out which accounts are trustworthy and which are not.

    4. Re:Not until Google+ allows pseudonyms by grumbel · · Score: 1

      Sadly that link doesn't really address the underlying problem, as the problem isn't that they deleted a few real names by accident, but that they require real names in the first place.

    5. Re:Not until Google+ allows pseudonyms by Radiophobic · · Score: 1

      There are plenty of places to use the internet and remain anonymous. Google+ is letting people know that for now, their social network is not one of them. Most people who use social networks use their real name anyway. Google+ might loose out on the interest of the fringe few who insist on being obfuscated in their internet use.

    6. Re:Not until Google+ allows pseudonyms by grumbel · · Score: 2

      The problem with that logic is that we are dealing with Google here, they have enormous market power and are shoving their G+ right into every bodies face right on their main search page. So while it is totally optional right now, its a closed beta after all, it could become far less optional in the not so distant future and then we essentially have an email replacement that only allows real names. You really don't want something that could become a central part of the Internet infrastructure be dominated by nanny state policy.

      Most people who use social networks use their real name anyway.

      Well, if you force them to use their real name, sure, no big surprise that only those are left who use a real name (or a faked real looking one).

    7. Re:Not until Google+ allows pseudonyms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep

    8. Re:Not until Google+ allows pseudonyms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is actually a good thing... Facebook has become a cesspool of fake accounts created by spammers and businesses.
       
        XcepticZP

    9. Re:Not until Google+ allows pseudonyms by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Then don't use Google+.
      I also do not see it as being evil, maybe you should read this post http://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/07/25/2132238/The-Internets-Age-of-Rage it is about how being anonymous inspires people to act in unethical ways. And I also disagree completely that anonymity is what makes the internet interesting. It for the most part is the cause of greifing and flamewars. That is not what is interesting at all. I would also say that using real names does not reduce the free exchange of ideas. A good example from the early days was the famous debate between an unknown Finnish student and a very well known and respected professor over monolithic vs micro kernels.

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    10. Re:Not until Google+ allows pseudonyms by grumbel · · Score: 1

      I also do not see it as being evil, maybe you should read this post http://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/07/25/2132238/The-Internets-Age-of-Rage [slashdot.org] it is about how being anonymous inspires people to act in unethical ways.

      The joke is: Requiring a real name won't fix that, it will just lead to the spammers to use a fake real looking name. It's also a "baby with the bathwater situation". A lot of the junk on the Internet isn't caused by being anonymous, but by shitty discussion systems. If you have a system like Youtube, which limit the amount that people can post, doesn't allow links and doesn't allow proper replies and just generally provides shitty readability of comments, then sure, you will end with a lot of non-sense, since quite literally it is impossible to write anything good in that system, as long before you can argue a point you will have run into the character limit. Slashdot on the other side, as threads, anonymity, good readability, doesn't limit post length much and a moderation system that encourages quality, not popularity, in turn the discussions are a hell of a lot better then almost anything else you find on the net.

      I would also say that using real names does not reduce the free exchange of ideas.

      Real names make the free exchange of ideas completely impossible, it is really as simple as that. If everything you say can be traced back to you and will stay attached to your persona forever you will be extremely careful about what you say and self censor what you say and whom you talk to. Maybe one day we will live in a truly free and tolerant society and hiding behind anonymity will no longer be necessary, but we are lightyears away from that and its doubtful that it will ever happen, as it doesn't seem to be part of human nature.

      A good example from the early days was the famous debate between an unknown Finnish student and a very well known and respected professor over monolithic vs micro kernels.

      How is that a good example? That was just a regular discussion about a technical topic, while it might look a little heated up close, its really completely uncontroversial in the broader social sense, nobody will get mobbed or commit suicide over it, with many other topics, people won't be so lucky.

    11. Re:Not until Google+ allows pseudonyms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While I hate twitter with a passion and truly wish it would die, I have to say the parent is correct in his assertions. Twitter remains valuable for it's openness for certain uses, while Google+ is wandering down the Apple path of draconianism. While I have a google+ account, and a bunch of active people in my "circles", there is hardly any activity there...one guy posts something other than "is this thing on???" once in a while, but most are still putting their activity in facebook land. Google+ will probably be big in Brazil, but I am not yet convinced it will be widely used in it's current form.

    12. Re:Not until Google+ allows pseudonyms by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      You have the same very odd concept of what freedom of speech means. Why should one not be judged by what they say, do, and stand for. Freedom of speech means that I will not go to jail for an unpopular idea. It doesn't mean that I can not be judged for what I say. Gee if I say X the majority of people may think I am a jerk. Well maybe that is because if you do say X you are a jerk.
      A good example is the latest comment by Glenn Beck comparing the children that died on that island in Norway to Hitler Youth.
      By your standards nobody should be anger, dislike, or boycott him. I mean that would not be tolerant of his freedom of speech.
      Sorry but it is a good thing only say what you are willing to stand behind. There are places where their isn't freedom of speech but the US, Canada, Europe, and a lot of other nations have that freedom.
      YouTube as an example of a system that works? Your are just nuts. I have never seen a high percentage of just trash than the comments on YouTube.
      Most of the time when people post anonymously on the internet it so they can be jerks.
      I find the ACs on Slashdot to be the worst case. I mean really people will not say what they want because of a Karma hit? What weak willed cowards post on this site.

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    13. Re:Not until Google+ allows pseudonyms by grumbel · · Score: 1

      There are places where their isn't freedom of speech but the US, Canada, Europe, and a lot of other nations have that freedom.

      Look up England's libel laws, sure you can say what you want, but you can get into a shit load of trouble for doing so. Even in the USA they'll throw you in jail for obscenity. And that's just the law, society itself has its fair share of oppress people as well.

      Sorry but it is a good thing only say what you are willing to stand behind.

      The problem isn't what you can stand behind, but the oppression you face after you said it.

      YouTube as an example of a system that works? Your are just nuts.

      Read what I have written again, YouTube is a system that doesn't work, it's one of the worst around, but not because of anonymity, but because the discussion system itself that doesn't allow any good communication. A system makes writing good past hard and crappy ones easy, sure you end up with a lot of the later kind.

    14. Re:Not until Google+ allows pseudonyms by RJFerret · · Score: 1

      Actually G+ has never required "real names", I used to link their naming policy which requests "common" name, but it's gone beyond that now, as they have explained in this post on how they are changing their response to fake and spam accounts.

    15. Re:Not until Google+ allows pseudonyms by grumbel · · Score: 1

      Actually G+ has never required "real names", I used to link their naming policy which requests "common" name

      Except for the part where they closed accounts that didn't use a real name and the post you linked contains nothing that argues that real names are no longer required. All it says is that they give you a warning before they close your account and a chance to enter your real name.

      And what the hell is a "common name" anyway? I assume that a movie actor can use his stage name and "Charlie Sheen" and go with "Charlie Sheen" instead of "Carlos Irwin Estévez", but it doesn't seem to include Pseudonyms, so no Google+ for DarkFader I guess.

    16. Re:Not until Google+ allows pseudonyms by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Actually I would say the worst is CNNs.
      I don't have a problem with not seeing obscenity. In fact I wish more people would reframe from it in communication. It has gotten to the point where I wonder what people use for expletives anymore. I know of people that will drop the F bomb if their soda is warm, or they have to walk back a meter because they left their keys on their desk! I mean really what do they use when they are really angry?
      The oppression from what? The government? Again not here. From society? Well that is how society and free speech work. You are judged by what you say and do. If one isn't judged by their actions then by what. Like too many people you believe that free speech and tolerance means that you get to say what you want, act how you want to act, and yes judge who you want to judge all without repercussions. It is okay for people to look down on those that they feel are acting in a way that is offensive. If that action is not allowed that all voicing of opinion is wrong. You deciding that you want this person as a friend or you do not want to be around another person because voice an opinion that you don't like is repression.
      Yes I feel that the requirement to post with your real name is positive for the reason that you think it is bad. It brings with it restraint and hopefully thoughtfulness to a discourse. People hopefully will pick words that will convince vs bully and help people reach shared conclusions or at least some level of respect.

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    17. Re:Not until Google+ allows pseudonyms by grumbel · · Score: 1

      The oppression from what? The government? Again not here.

      There are plenty of cases where Facebook has been used in legal cases as evidence.

      You are judged by what you say and do. If one isn't judged by their actions then by what.

      People are also judged by what they are. Some communities might not react all that friendly to gay people, transgender people or numerous other kinds of simply being a little off from whatever the society considers the norm. Such things are a lot harder to keep secret when you have a real name attached to everything you write and make it simply impossible to use Google+ for any kind of honest public chat about those topics.

      The crazy thing with all this is that the whole reason why Google+ is interesting in the first place are the circles, the idea that not everybody needs to know everything about you, but that different social circles simply might have different pictures and knowledge of you, yet by forbidding pseudonyms they essentially throw a wrench into that concept, as you can no longer do a clean cut between different circles. You have to publish your real name even to those circles where it has no business, where it might not even be the name under which people know you.

      It brings with it restraint and hopefully thoughtfulness to a discourse.

      That's an illusion, it will mainly just silence people, make them not voice true viewpoints. It makes the world sure look like a nice tidy place, but simply because everybody that might have a view a little outside the norm won't use Google+ to voice it.

    18. Re:Not until Google+ allows pseudonyms by RJFerret · · Score: 1

      Except for the part where they closed accounts that didn't use a real name

      They never did this. What they did do is suspend accounts of both real names, and pseudonyms, and then reinstated those (in both categories) that conformed to the guidelines.

      the post you linked contains nothing that argues that real names are no longer required.

      Correct, since they never were, it would be ridiculous to argue against a condition that never existed. As I said, I didn't link the naming policy, it's not hard to find. But for those of you completely lacking reading comprehension, or totally making stuff up, here is a quote from the post I linked, "common name policy" (third paragraph, first line). Nowhere in the entire post does it say "real name", "legal name", etc.

      All it says is that they give you a warning before they close your account and a chance to enter your real name.

      I'm sorry, but that is an outright lie.

      And what the hell is a "common name" anyway?

      To quote their policy, "the name that you commonly go by" (end of first paragraph), hence my referring to it as one's "common name".

    19. Re:Not until Google+ allows pseudonyms by grumbel · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, but that is an outright lie.

      Where is the link that proofs that pseudonyms are allowed? If they really are, Google is doing an insanely horrible job at communicating that.

      To quote their policy [google.com], "the name that you commonly go by" (end of first paragraph), hence my referring to it as one's "common name".

      "the name that you commonly go by" tells you really absolutely nothing, as it is very open to interpretation. If my Youtube friends know me by bratwurst12396, can I do a G+ account with that name? What if different groups know me under different names, can I have multiple accounts with different names?

    20. Re:Not until Google+ allows pseudonyms by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      And a good bit of what is outside the norm isn't good. And why shouldn't you be in judged in part by who are? Really so what you want is a place where you can hide when you want to but snipe from the bushes. Yes Facebook has been used as evidence why ever not? If you are accused of drunk driving and you post a picture of yourself funneling beers well?
      I doubt that people just a little outside the norm will have a problem with Google+ or Facebook. By some peoples standards I am a little outside the norm. I do not hide who I am. My nick is one I have used for decades. Frankly is what a lot of people know me by. I have been harassed for my differences but that is their problem not mine. And about 99% of that online harassment has been from people that lack the guts to even use a handle. Nope I would be glad to silence those that fear acting like an jerk in public. Those that hide most of the time are not part of the solution.

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    21. Re:Not until Google+ allows pseudonyms by RJFerret · · Score: 1

      Where is the link that proofs that pseudonyms are allowed? If they really are, Google is doing an insanely horrible job at communicating that.

      Good communication requires two parts, one party expressing things, the other party paying attention and caring about what is being expressed. I believe we have seen where the lapse is here in multiple examples now, and I direct you back to the link in the first post you replied to, which specifically talks about pseudonyms.

      What if different groups know me under different names, can I have multiple accounts with different names?

      You wouldn't need to, you would simply make your account with your most common name, then put your alternate names in the "Other names" field (not the "Nickname" field, which is only used for some Google products, not revealed to your circles or publicly).

      You may choose who may see those "other names", which dictates whether it's searchable only by your associated circles, or everyone.

      As you already know from reading the first link, they are currently designing features for, "multiple accounts with different names", and other different account use cases.

      (Their timeline for business accounts has already been accelerated due to demand, so who knows if they'll have other options available before release or not? That very push presumably will take time away from other features.)

      PS: I have seen a feature request to have different profile pictures (and views) for different circles, which would exactly provide what you are seeking, in a much more convenient manner than having to log in and out of multiple accounts.

    22. Re:Not until Google+ allows pseudonyms by grumbel · · Score: 1

      Good communication requires two parts, one party expressing things, the other party paying attention and caring about what is being expressed. I believe we have seen where the lapse is here in multiple examples now, and I direct you back to the link in the first post you replied to, which specifically talks about pseudonyms.

      The only area where that first link even mention pseudonyms is:

      - If you add nicknames, maiden names, etc. to the "Other names" portion of your G+ profile, those with permission to view those fields can search for you using that term. For example: some of my colleagues call me "elatable," a pseudonym I’ve used on many services, so I've added it to my list of other names.

      And that says nothing about having an pseudonym only account, you still need a real name for the account, you can just have a pseudonym in addition. So if they explicitly do allow non-real name account, please quote the part.

      You wouldn't need to, you would simply make your account with your most common name, then put your alternate names in the "Other names" field

      That doesn't fix the problem, I still have to use my real name for my account and my real name will get exposed to all circles.

      PS: I have seen a feature request to have different profile pictures (and views) for different circles, which would exactly provide what you are seeking

      Yes, such a feature would be nice. However multiple accounts would still be the better alternative, as you don't want Google to know that those two accounts are connected.

    23. Re:Not until Google+ allows pseudonyms by grumbel · · Score: 1

      Really so what you want is a place where you can hide when you want to but snipe from the bushes.

      It's not about sniping, its about not being sniped.

      Yes Facebook has been used as evidence why ever not?

      The problem is that a lot of info there might be subject to gross misinterpretation. A photo taken out of context, viewed by somebody who wasn't at the event can give you a very different picture then what really happened. It also gives a very unrealistic view of somebodies life, just because someones Facebook account is full of party picture doesn't means he parties a lot, it might simply mean that he only post party pictures. And who knows, that beer funnel, it might have been filled with alcohol-free beer.

      I doubt that people just a little outside the norm will have a problem with Google+ or Facebook.

      Some people might disagree.

    24. Re:Not until Google+ allows pseudonyms by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      "Some [advocate.com] people [croatiantimes.com] might disagree."
      And using the nicks Snickerdoodle and Verdle would have made a difference? I think not. It isn't Facebook's fault. And you could use a fake name on Facebook if you wanted. Kind of defeats the function but hey that is up to you. And frankly your examples I feel prove my point. Odds are if the people posting those vile things had to have their real names tied to their acts maybe they wouldn't have done it. Or law enforcement could have been called because of the harassment. Bet you a dollar to a donut that those attacks where from people not using their real names!

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    25. Re:Not until Google+ allows pseudonyms by grumbel · · Score: 1

      Odds are if the people posting those vile things had to have their real names tied to their acts maybe they wouldn't have done it.

      Nothing stops them from harassing the victim via other channels. The whole point is that you don't want to leak if somebody is gay or not by forcing them to use a real name in the first place. Once the real name is out, you have the victim pretty wide open for attack.

    26. Re:Not until Google+ allows pseudonyms by stub667 · · Score: 1

      Anonymity also inspires people to act in ethical ways. Remember this the next time you are following a revolution on Twitter, where your anonymity means your life. Or will you be too busy engaging in heated kernel architecture debates and looking at lolcats?

    27. Re:Not until Google+ allows pseudonyms by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      "Nothing stops them from harassing the victim via other channels. The whole point is that you don't want to leak if somebody is gay or not by forcing them to use a real name in the first place."
      That doesn't make any sense. Then they might as well just not let anyone know they are gay in the first place. That makes no sense. Unless you are going to be in the closet somebody is going to know that you aka your real name is gay. And they can then tell other people. Then you can get attacked. You are claiming that by using a fake name you can hide. While that is of use in some instances, in most others those that are hiding are attacking not being attacked. Read the examples you gave again. And read it carefully, both children where bullied at school and on Facebook. Truth is that Facebook is being used as a Red Herring in both cases. You really can block people on Facebook or just not go to the site. Heck you have to make your own page. Being anonymous probably help the villains in this case because it allowed them to snipe from the bushes with no real fear of being found out. Blaming Facebook is also a way of shifting blame. What seemed to have happened in both cases is a failure by the parents and the school to protect vulnerable children. Lots of children get bullied very few kill themselves.
      I will make this statement again. It is not evil it is a choice. You do not have to be on Google+ you do not have to be on any social network site that requires you to give a real name. You can still have Blogs where you can say what ever you want with some degree of anonymity including Google's Blogger.
      I will as say that in free societies things work best when people do stand behind what they say. Light is better than shadows. I do think that you have the best of intentions but I also feel that you are painting with a way to broad of a stroke. Anonymity and even alter egos have their place. The authoring of a blog is a good example. But in what is a social network I do not feel it's value overrides it's cost. But that is just my opinion.

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    28. Re:Not until Google+ allows pseudonyms by grumbel · · Score: 1

      It is not evil it is a choice.

      It's forcing people to reveal data that they don't want to reveal, that's not only evil, that's also against the law in some European countries (exact interpretation of the law might vary and enforcing it is a whole different issue).

      You do not have to be on Google+

      That is quite frankly a bullshit argument. You don't have to have a phone either or electricity, but you better have both of those if you want to be a regular part of society and not some crazy loony living in a tree house. The way social networks are used these days is like an advanced form of email, essentially we are replacing an aging open standard with a closed company controlled network. The Internet is kind of rolling back from the freedom we had, to the early days of AOL and Compuserve. You can pretend it is not happening, but that doesn't stop it from happening.

      Anonymity and even alter egos have their place.

      Yeah, it can free them from oppression, free them to say what they actually think. If it is stupid and insulting, block them or filter them, but don't force everybody else to use real name.

    29. Re:Not until Google+ allows pseudonyms by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      You are just incoherent. At first you say that you want Anonymity to protect people from harassment. Then you say. "If it is stupid and insulting, block them or filter them, but don't force everybody else to use real name."
      In the end all that you are saying is that you don't want to be held responsible for what you say and you want the world to work they way you want it to. You do not have to be on Facebook or Google plus. I know more than a few people that live pretty active lives that are not. You want to be protected from having to stand by your words. You are not really afraid of going to jail but you don't want people judge you by what you say. You want Google to run Google plus the way you want them too. Because you feel you have some right to that free service on your own terms. And you really don't care about protecting others from bullies even though you posted that you did because those kids that where bullied and committed suicide should have just blocked those bullies?
      I was wrong, you are just trying to justify what you want, which is disappointing.

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    30. Re:Not until Google+ allows pseudonyms by Andrew+Cady · · Score: 1

      grumbel -- I read this exchange, and just want to say I appreciated your insighful commentary. I don't think we have to worry too much though, because any network without real privacy is not going to get any of the good content.

    31. Re:Not until Google+ allows pseudonyms by grumbel · · Score: 1

      You are just incoherent. At first you say that you want Anonymity to protect people from harassment. Then you say. "If it is stupid and insulting, block them or filter them, but don't force everybody else to use real name."

      How the hell is that incoherent? Allowing anonymous/pseudonymous posting doesn't mean everybody should be forced to read them. If somebody wants to filter them, fine, but it should be the readers choice, not Googles. I like browsing Slashdot at -1 and see everything.

      In the end all that you are saying is that you don't want to be held responsible for what you say

      Yes, as that is the only way to get true Freedom of Speech, everything else just results in self-censorship. If somebody wants to discuss his issues of being gay in a web forum, he should be able to do that under a pseudonym. Even if said forum is hosted on the Google+ service.

      You want Google to run Google plus the way you want them too.

      I want them to give me the freedom to decide how to communicate, not have them enforce nanny-state rules on me that I don't want.

      Because you feel you have some right to that free service on your own terms

      You seem to be pretty ignorant to the damage that monopolies/oligopolies can do.

      committed suicide should have just blocked those bullies?

      You can't block bullies in real life when your real name leaked. That's the whole reason why pseudonyms are great, if things get out of control, you can get a new one and start clean. You can't do that with a real name.

      Your whole argument seems to be simply based on "It's free, so they can enforce whatever the fuck they want". I consider that fundamentally flawed, as it essentially hands over central infrastructure into cooperate control. So don't come complaining when 10 years down the road Google changes the rules into something you might find unacceptable, as by that point, it might not be so easy and turn back and use an alternative without isolating yourself from everybody else.

    32. Re:Not until Google+ allows pseudonyms by Andrew+Cady · · Score: 1

      You do not have to be on Facebook or Google plus. I know more than a few people that live pretty active lives that are not.

      Hi LWATCDR. I don't know your real name, although I'm using mine. I just wanted to say that, whatever you think about the policies within G+ or facebook, I think it's very dangerous to accept this "love it or leave it" logic. The problem is that social web sites are kind of like public spaces, or anyway, spaces open to the public. Google has the power to decide what kind of space G+ will be: what will be the rules, how will their power to expel users be used? It is very important that they not be granted a right not to be judged according to the policies they implement. In a digital community, source code is a form of legislation. Like a government, Google must be held responsible for how it uses its power.

      Simply put, if G+ is a space without privacy, Google is to blame for making our world a little less private. (For better or for worse -- many people believe we have too much privacy, although I am not one of them.) Either way, Google cannot be granted immunity simply because people had the choice not to sign up. Perhaps we don't have to worry so much since people can choose to ignore G+, and most of them probably will -- but we do have to worry, because every other web service may also decide to govern their virtual space in the same way, and then what choice will we have?

      (Well, I will be choosing p2p communications, but all you other suckers are fucked.)

    33. Re:Not until Google+ allows pseudonyms by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Create your own public space. Think about Social networks as a modern day phonebook. You can have an unlisted number or you can put your name in.

      As to what to do if you don't like that? Well create your own social network. With modern technology you can do it yourself for not much money. You might even get rich doing it.

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    34. Re:Not until Google+ allows pseudonyms by Andrew+Cady · · Score: 1

      As I said, MY choice is p2p communications, which complete eliminates the central point of censorship/failure, giving no one any opportunity either to remove users, or enforce policies. But the fact that I can (and do) run my own Jabber server does not mean that the rest of society no longer exists. The fact that I operate a server does not mean that OTHER operators of OTHER servers cannot be held accountable for their actions. And the fact that Google's actions affect so many living humans (indeed the mere fact that they control public access to so many computers and so much data) makes it far more important to hold them accountable than most other server operators.

      You are definitely missing this point: The mere theoretical possibility to replace Google (or any other corporation) does not in any way eliminate their responsibility for their own policies. Even if MY restaurant does not have racial segregation, that does not excuse YOUR restaurant for implementing racial segregation. If we want an integrated society, we need to hold all spaces with racist policies accountable.

      Obviously I'm not calling Google racist or comparing their policy to segregation; but I AM saying that, just as brick-and-mortar spaces must grant certain rights to the public which have been established over time, so virtual social spaces are a domain for the establishment of public rights, of standards for the treatment of the public, which are enforced whether through legal or social mechanisms.

    35. Re:Not until Google+ allows pseudonyms by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      "Obviously I'm not calling Google racist or comparing their policy to segregation; but I AM saying that, just as brick-and-mortar spaces must grant certain rights to the public which have been established over time, so virtual social spaces are a domain for the establishment of public rights, of standards for the treatment of the public, which are enforced whether through legal or social mechanisms."
      But there are restaurant with dress codes. Try walking into one wearing a mask? If Google plus was the only social network on the planet then maybe there would be a need for concern. But their are internet spaces that offer the us of aliases or just posting as an AC. The point of a social net work is to be found and to share. There is nothing wrong for some like Google+ to require a real name and their is nothing legally or morally wrong with sites that do not. They are just different sites that can serve different needs. Just as to use your example of public spaces it is okay that your butt will be tossed in jail if walk into an elementary school naked using profanities and it is okay for their to be clothing optional resorts where you can walk about naked. It is choice. Now if some place tried to pass a law preventing a websites from allowing ACs and Aliases then that would be wrong. For Google to require them for their Social site is just a choice. Frankly one that I happen to like.

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  41. people are wondering, what's the real deal, here by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1, Interesting

    a random comment from google's post (https://plus.google.com/113116318008017777871/posts/VJoZMS8zVqU#113116318008017777871/posts/VJoZMS8zVqU):


    Is this about advertising revenue and more accurate subscriber numbers to up ad revenue when introduced? Is the policy an attempt to give Google+ more credibility? Forgive my bluntness, but I don't believe for a moment that you truly think the naming policy is enforceable. What is the REAL reason behind the policy against anonymity here?

    I think that guy hit it on the nail. google's ONLY customers are the advertising companies, the ad-men. they want to deliver 'more accurate' info to those bastards.

    "oh, its so that everyone can trust each other".

    liars. don't piss in my cornflakes and tell me its really milk. we are not that stupid.

    and most of us who know better are NOT going to play your 'must use real names' game. the government and pretty much everyone else who wants to sniff the net LOVES the idea of removing anonymity.

    don't give in. keep your pseudo name. its one of the few things we still have left in the 'free internet'. it was here long before companies came on and ruined things. we must demand that we not give this bit of freedom up!

    fuck you google. just fuck you. the smarter ones here will not play your 'target me, better!' game.

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  42. Powerword: Real Name by tepples · · Score: 1

    I don't really want my real name out there except to people I really know well.

    Your Slashdot profile links to Jeremy Clark's homepage. Is that you?

    1. Re:Powerword: Real Name by eggman9713 · · Score: 1

      Actually it is not. That is just a free Wordpress theme I applied to that site while I was building it. I never finished it and don't know when I will, so I removed it from my profile. Good catch though.

  43. Doesn't Understand. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whoever wrote this obviously doesn't understand Twitter, or Google+- or even the Internet for that matter.

    Twitter exists, and flourishes BECAUSE it's not all those things. Twitter works because it's not invasive- you share what you want 140 characters at a time, and only what you explicitly choose to share. Google+ and facebook create networks with tagging, friending, friends of friends and your choices and identity become out of your hands.

    It would seem that suraj.sun needs to get himself an better Internet.

  44. SMS ... by MacTO · · Score: 2

    I use Twitter because of SMS, and it doesn't cost me a dime (since my plan has unlimited SMS whether I use it or not). So until Google offers SMS services, Twitter style, anyone going from Twitter to Google+ will be limiting their market. Then again, maybe I'm special.

    1. Re:SMS ... by bersl2 · · Score: 1

      No, I'm of the same mind.

      I still use a Nokia 3120 (I think that's what it is) and have no data plan, so first-class SMS support is Twitter's killer feature for me. Until there is a smart phone and data plan out there which meet my needs and price, I will keep this arrangement as long as possible.

    2. Re:SMS ... by msauve · · Score: 1

      "maybe I'm special"

      Yes, you are. You're unique, just like everyone else.

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    3. Re:SMS ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      http://techie-buzz.com/social-networking/update-google-plus-sms.html

      Not so special...?

    4. Re:SMS ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This is very true. People seem to forget what Twitter is. At it's core, it's a basic SMS tool. Smart phones are less than half of worldwide market share, which means Twitter is still very useful to lots of people.

    5. Re:SMS ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then again, maybe I'm special.

      Then again, maybe I'm Special.

      FTFY.

    6. Re:SMS ... by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      SMS will come to Google+ eventually, but right now that SMS update system is for India-only. As I don't live in India, I can't take advantage of this.

      I've also got to comment on one other thing from that article:

      we are seeing people like Kevin Rose ditch their blogs in favor of Google+

      No offense, but Kevin (the founder of Digg) is an idiot if he's ditching his personal blog for Google+. With your personal blog, you maintain control over everything. I even figured out a way to post photos from my mobile phone to my blog via picture messaging. (Replacing services like TwitPic that don't give you total control of your content.) By all means, promote your blog postings on Google+ (as well as on Facebook and Twitter), but don't close down your blog entirely and rely on Google+ entirely.

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  45. Re:people are wondering, what's the real deal, her by ThorGod · · Score: 1

    Get all pissed off like that... ...Or...
    Don't use Google+

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  46. Re:people are wondering, what's the real deal, her by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Madison Avenue is not their only customer. Google remains allied with the CIA.

    I for one will NEVER create a G+ 'profile'. I don't use Google for search (Ixquick actually works better when I've bothered to compare results), I don't use Chrome for anything except testing websites (web developer by trade). I've never downloaded Google Earth, Sketchup, etc. (I do have a pseudonymous gmail account that could be linked to my business, so there is that hole in my armor). For that matter, I've never had a Facebook, LinkedIn, etc. account either. Drawbacks? None that matter - in fact I would go so far as to say I experience fewer drawbacks than if I did have my personal information scattered all over the web.

  47. If you ask me by Beelzebud · · Score: 2

    Twitter was obsolete when it only allowed 140 characters.

    1. Re:If you ask me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only took you 54 characters to get your point across, douche.

    2. Re:If you ask me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Twitter was obsolete when it only allowed 140 characters.

      Several hundred million people appear to hold a different opinion.

  48. No, for two reasons by caitsith01 · · Score: 1

    1. The whole attraction of Twitter is its simplicity and brevity. People use Twitter precisely because they don't want an integrated, complicated system (otherwise they wouldn't have left FB in the first place for their messaging needs).

    2. Twitter allows you to participate with minimal involvement with the company Twitter. You need an account, provide 0 details, end of story. Your Twitter account isn't tied to anything else. Using Google for similar purposes would require you to hand over a significantly larger chunk of your privacy for the privilege. Google will be able to tie together your tweets (or whatever the G+ substitute is), email, search history etc. It's obvious why Google would want that, but why would users want that?

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  49. Evidently you must be the chosen ones! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Evidently all of you who are on Google + must be the "Chosen Ones"! I have several gmail accounts and every time I've tried to get a Google + account it says sorry we have exceeded our capacity even if you have an invite, check back. Not that I'd use it any more than I use Facebook, to me social sites are social engineering and usually end up occupying all your time, so I try and stay off them, but I did want to see what all the hoopla was about with G+. I use Hootsuite or Tweetdeck for my Twitter accounts so I only check in once or twice a week to see if I have any new followers. After I build up a good base, than I weed out the marketers and spammers and those who don't follow back unless they are of special importance to me.

  50. Wow. These kinds of articles take me back. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does anyone else remember how there use to be 2-3 articles a day about any small feat that Linux did with a few hundred comments about how this was the nail in Microsoft's coffin and that the giant would collapse under it's own weight at any moment? That's what these articles remind me of.

    People desperate to see Facebook/Twitter fail because of Google+. God only knows why they're foaming at the mouth for it but they are. Oh well, if Google+ lasts longer than Wave I'm sure we will see these kinds of articles for several more months until the next [big whatever] killer comes along and gives all the malcontents something else to cheer on as the next big tech revolution.

    Keep hamming it up guys. Somedays it makes me laugh and other days it makes me yawn. But if it gives you some great purpose to your lives I guess it has some value in some twisted fashion.

  51. Re:people are wondering, what's the real deal, her by maglor_83 · · Score: 1

    Advertisers don't give a crap what your name is. They do want to know almost everything else about you though.

  52. twitter google+ by aahpandasrun · · Score: 1

    I love twitter. It's more like an RSS feed. Google+ is just... facebook.

  53. Is Twitter Rendered Obsolete By Google+? by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 0

    Yes!

    No!

    Maybe?

    1. Re:Is Twitter Rendered Obsolete By Google+? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google themselves say, in a link posted above, that it's a myth that a G+ ToS violation will suspend you from other G services. Only ToS violations that apply also to the other services will suspend you fully.

    2. Re:Is Twitter Rendered Obsolete By Google+? by KikassAssassin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You don't lose access to Gmail (or Docs, Calendar, Blogger, or any other Google service that doesn't require Google+) if you're banned from Google+. The only way you can get a full Google-wide ban is if you're caught breaking a Google-wide policy such as spamming or illegal activity. They've also changed their policy so they give you fair warning to change your username before they lock your account, and there's an appeals process in place to get your account back if you do get banned for using a fake username.

      They also won't ban you just because your name doesn't match your birth certificate. They're only locking accounts for people who are using obviously fake names.

      There's a long blog post from a Google VP that goes into a lot of detail on the issue here: https://plus.google.com/113116318008017777871/posts/VJoZMS8zVqU

    3. Re:Is Twitter Rendered Obsolete By Google+? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I will repost this just for you since like most of the new slashdot crowd you can't be bothered with finding facts yourself

      "See the answer straight from the horse's mouth: https://plus.google.com/113116318008017777871/posts/VJoZMS8zVqU."

    4. Re:Is Twitter Rendered Obsolete By Google+? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not if Google keep banning years-old email accounts for stupid little problems associated with Google+

      Your gmail account does NOT get banned due to TOS violation of google+. Only services need google profile to work, get disabled. Gmail, Docs , Cal do NOT need a google profile to work.

    5. Re:Is Twitter Rendered Obsolete By Google+? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't care what whoever said. First impressions count and Google+ lost it for me.

    6. Re:Is Twitter Rendered Obsolete By Google+? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They're only locking accounts for people who are using obviously fake names.

      The entire point of the internet is pseudo-anonymity. This is how Twitter became a central news source to the political dissent surrounding the Arab spring.

      Google+ is something designed by and for valley dwelling, prius driving, aspergers-suffering dullards. Google+ may even be perfect for the inane, self-absorbed and narcissistic. It's never going to be as important as or a replacement for Twitter unless it allows user to hide behind aliases.

    7. Re:Is Twitter Rendered Obsolete By Google+? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes!

      No!

      Maybe?

      4. Profit!

    8. Re:Is Twitter Rendered Obsolete By Google+? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only way you can get a full Google-wide ban is if you're caught breaking a Google-wide policy such as spamming or illegal activity. They've also changed their policy so they give you fair warning to change your username before they lock your account, and there's an appeals process in place to get your account back if you do get banned for using a fake username.

      They also won't ban you just because your name doesn't match your birth certificate. They're only locking accounts for people who are using obviously fake names.

      There's a long blog post from a Google VP that goes into a lot of detail on the issue here: https://plus.google.com/113116318008017777871/posts/VJoZMS8zVqU

      You are missing his point though.

      It's my point as well.

      It's kinda like losing your license cause you did something
      stupid with your car and now you can't make money cause
      you needed a license to make money.

      ie, there is no point using G+, which has no significant
      value, RIGHT NOW, at the potential cost of losing what most
      would call "everything"... if they used Google services for
      "everything".

      And regardless of WHAT explanation ANYONE gives from
      Google. I haven't seen where any of the 'lost' accounts have
      easily been gotten back, in what I would call a timely fashion.

      Until the EXACT nature of bans and account losses is found
      and a reverse is created... I'm probably not going to use my
      G+ account at all. (coff, either of them)

      -AI

    9. Re:Is Twitter Rendered Obsolete By Google+? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is, I use an 'obviously fake' name because
      A) It's the same 'obviously fake' I use everywhere else and is thus the name people want to see when talking to me
      B) I don't want to let people know who I really am, I already have a few stalkers

      Google needs to man the fuck up and realize that
      A) No 'real name' policy is ever going to make g+ seem more legit than anything else on the net
      B) Not everyone wants to merge their online and real lives into one giant pile of data

    10. Re:Is Twitter Rendered Obsolete By Google+? by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      Actually, you will be locked out of Google Reader if your Google Profile is suspended thanks to not using a real name in Google+. Since I use Google Reader daily, this is a deal-breaker for me. (Though I am happy that I won't be locked out of Docs or GMail if they deem my Google+ name not good enough.)

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    11. Re:Is Twitter Rendered Obsolete By Google+? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Still not good enough, but it's a start. They shouldn't have gotten into the whole "real names" situation in the first place. There's just no way to win. http://www.kalzumeus.com/2010/06/17/falsehoods-programmers-believe-about-names/

      (And that's why twitter is going to be around for a long time yet to come)

  54. Is Twitter Rendered Obsolete By Google+? by uvajed_ekil · · Score: 2

    Not if Google keep banning years-old email accounts for stupid little problems associated with Google+. I wanted to join when my sister sent me an invite (not because it looked that great, but because my sister asked me to join), but I resisted because it was too new and too closely linked to other Google services. I'm glad I did, since Gmail has been my main email provider for several years, including for work, and my Google/Gmail name is not 100% accurate. I'd hate to lose years of email due to some dumb little infringement of an unrealistic TOS agreement. Maybe eventually, but for now there are too many kinks to work out.

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  55. Facebook status by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought Facebook statuses made Twitter obsolete...

  56. Gonna take 'no' for $200, Alex by Bieeanda · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Seriously, this is 'Will Wave Eat E-Mail' all over again. No. It has long strings attached. It has plenty of bells and whistles, but this is comparing apples and fruit baskets, or a can opener with a Swiss army knife. Sometimes all you want is an apple for your teacher, and sure you can cut meat, whittle wood, read fine print, tweeze splinters and even open cans with your knife, but it'll be faster and cheaper if you just go out to the kitchen and use the tool that was designed for that and nothing else.

  57. Is there a "digest" form of Twitter? by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Or maybe an edited version?

    For those of us who have never used twitter, is there an edited, "best of" to convince us to use it?

    I googled "best of twitter", but it appears to be an reductio ad absurdum situation - all the top links seem to want me to follow some twitter account...

    Is there compelling twitter content I am missing?

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    1. Re:Is there a "digest" form of Twitter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No

    2. Re:Is there a "digest" form of Twitter? by macshit · · Score: 1

      For those of us who have never used twitter, is there an edited, "best of" to convince us to use it?

      Twitter has almost no functionality, and thus is very simple to use.

      Also it's got Fail Whale.

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    3. Re:Is there a "digest" form of Twitter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Is there compelling twitter content I am missing?

      No.

    4. Re:Is there a "digest" form of Twitter? by Homburg · · Score: 2

      Is there a "best of email," or a "best of websites"? Neither of these make much sense, because the point of web sites is to read the ones your interested in, and the point of email is to communicate with the people you know. Likewise, the point of Twitter is to follow people you are interested in and/or know. If you don't know of anyone who is of interest to you who uses Twitter, there's not much point in you using it, just as it would be pointless to use email if you didn't know anyone else who used email.

    5. Re:Is there a "digest" form of Twitter? by AbRASiON · · Score: 1

      Copy and paste response from me previously on slashdot regarding twitter, I think this should sum it up for you.

      "Twitter is one of the greatest new forms of communications in the last 20 years.
      My first 2 tweets stayed for 6+ months iirc and were just "twitter is lame" and "update: twitter is still a wank" or something like that.
      I didn't 'get' twitter.

      Now that I do, I do not understand why on earth SMS still exists, this website / application(s) allows me to talk to people instantly across the planet with a 0$ fee (unlike SMS) and I can include pictures, links or whatever, I can use trending topics to see what is big in the world right this second! (yes, that's big)
      When someone posts "is that an earthquake?!" I go to twitter, type in earthquake and can have confirmation in seconds

      Twitter allows manufacturers, famous people and important people to instantly share messages and thoughts with people. There is an awful awful lot of stupid and irrelivant shit, mark my words I understand this but inbetween all that it's amazing, utterly amazing.

      I can see my friends have conversations - and yes they can do it privately but they can also do it publically, that ability to see their conversation - is almost like being at a resteraunt or bar where everyone is having a chat - my ears are tuning in (if I desire) to their conversation and I can at any moment join in, all wirelessly, all instantly - in any timezone.

      I don't often praise things and it sure as shit took me a while to get it, infact until you literally have an account and follow a couple of people, I totally get hating on it - the interface is silly to understand at first, once you do get it - it's incredible, utterly incredible.

      My only problem with twitter, or rather their only problem is that I simply can not fathom how they can monetize it - in any way. Google however purchased Youtube and I distinctly recall me saying "what the fuck is google thinking? 4 billion? That's stupid - this is googles first big mistake" - I mean there was no ads back then and it was 5 years ago, bandwidth is fucking expensive and they just paid money to serve up terabytes of data a day, why?!
      Anyhow: TLDR is that twitter should utterly replace SMS, without question, SMS is completely dead to me, all my friends with twitter I can tweet in seconds, it's a fucking incredibly powerful and clever communications tool, once you learn it, you'll love it."

      (Edit: my emphasis in bold - you can't properly 'get' twitter until you have a feed of people you want on there, once you DO then it will click, it's fantastic for communication, it really is)

    6. Re:Is there a "digest" form of Twitter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is there compelling twitter content I am missing?

      Compelling...!?

      good one sir, I almost spit lemonade out my nose.

      -AI

      btw, what's up with the new captchas?

    7. Re:Is there a "digest" form of Twitter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Is there compelling twitter content I am missing?

      No.

      The longer version? Twitter is like a text messaging (SMS) service, where the texts are sent to everyone 'listening' to your account. The signal to noise ratio is, well, I've yet to detect any signal.

    8. Re:Is there a "digest" form of Twitter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's original idea was to keep up with your friends and community, not be fed entertainment AFAIK. You would usually start by following your friend's tweets and look up topics that interest you to see tweets from a wider community.

    9. Re:Is there a "digest" form of Twitter? by foniksonik · · Score: 1

      Huh? Best of? You lost me completely. You don't read Twitter. You consume it daily. The shelf life is in the neighborhood of 24 hours. After that the content has been blogged to death elsewhere.

      Twitter is like a broadcast IM, it's not RSS, blogging, or posts in a forum.

      Sure you can archive it to see a point in time slice of the stream or chart the trends themselves but an individual tweet is rarely useful more than a few hours later.

      What you want is to see Who is on Twitter, your heros, your local news, your fav sports teams, etc - follow them for a day or two. Did you get value out of it? Yes, great - No, oh well it's not for you, move along.

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    10. Re:Is there a "digest" form of Twitter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, Twitter sucks. Why would people want to be limited to 140 characters per post? Why would you want to make public to the open wide world what you had for breakfast in the morning?

      I don't buy the thesis of limiting features to be successful. It just makes sense that when you post something on a social media, you want to set who you are posting this to (public, friends and/or family), have as many characters as you need to make your statement and post media content.

      Facebook failed to realize this simple fact, in its extreme arrogance and disregard for its users, and Twitter will keep going, because people apparently like to use things that don't make any sense. I have my bets on G+, though.

    11. Re:Is there a "digest" form of Twitter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've had two uses so far:

      1. Tony Clement, Canada's Industry Minister, made an announcement via Twitter before anywhere else that he would force the CRTC, Canada's Telecom regulator, to review its usage-based billing decision. So I started following Tony.

      2. A motorcade of about 50 police vehicles traveled by my work and I wanted to know who was in town so I asked in a tweet. I didn't find an answer, but twitter can reveal news (and rumour) as its happening better than any other source I know of.

    12. Re:Is there a "digest" form of Twitter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You're looking for this: http://twitter.com/#!/fireland/status/34754301213544448

      That is the best part of Twitter. You can quit now.

    13. Re:Is there a "digest" form of Twitter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, but if its worth you using you will keep seeing people you know with twitter feeds that look interesting. Its like asking for a "best of" facebook, it just wouldn't work.

      But most of twitter is visible without logging in, just search for the name of the person you want to follow and read what they've been saying lately.

    14. Re:Is there a "digest" form of Twitter? by tecnico.hitos · · Score: 1

      Twitter is itself a digest of opinions, announcements and general information. There is no "best of twitter" just as there is no best of any social networking site. Especially because there is not a single way to use Twitter. Some use it as a RSS feed, providing links for news and articles, some use it as the microblogging service it's called, whether like a personal (but public) diary, for discussing specific topics, for jokes or social commentary. It is also often used as a way of leaving messages for your friends, without having to to contact them one by one, since you account broadcast your messages publicly or just to the people you allow to follow you, if you protect your account.

      If you want to get into Twitter, see if there is someone who posts about matters you are interested into and follow them. Unfortunately, their recommendations aren't too good. They only start being barely useful when you already follow people.

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    15. Re:Is there a "digest" form of Twitter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only twitter account I ever follow is a friend of mine. Did it 100% through my phone (SMS), never went to the actual site, which IMO is pretty cool.

      I did follow a Japanese vocabulary twitter account but all the words they sent was beginner stuff so I eventually unsubscribed.

    16. Re:Is there a "digest" form of Twitter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Twitter comes on its own with a good client.

      That way you can follow a list based on topic, totally customized groups of people, hashtags (words) or searches, using different personalities if so you wish.

      People forced to be succinct provide real insight into situations that when one has the freedom to write as much as one wishes.

  58. I actually use it... by Gooba42 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm actually on G+ and I use it kind of a lot. I thought the discussion might benefit from somebody who's actually actively using the service rather than having sampled it and written it off as "I hate social networking and this is social networking". I'm enjoying it a good bit because it's more interactive and engaging than Twitter and with a lot more obvious and up-front control over everything than on Facebook.

    The integration with Picasa is excellent and I'm looking forward to the (optional) integration with the other services. I'll really be happy with it when Gmail and Voice filters can use my Circles to do useful work, i.e. let family and friends through, dump the other crap.

    I'm still using Twitter, mostly because I'm still following #FuckYouWashington, but less and less. G+ easily occupies the same space as Twitter and with a little tweaking will easily replace Facebook for me.

    As for the supposed privacy issues, I haven't run into anything that concerns me. When I share something Public, I take for granted that means Public. When I post to a smaller Circle, I trust it go to that smaller Circle. If they want a more accurate profile of me to present ads which I might conceivably be interested in while I'm doing my friends-and-family socializing, that works fine by me. I've dismissed about a million Zynga ads on Facebook and their ad-bot code can't take a hint so more accurate ad profiling works in my favor by being less irritating by several orders of magnitude.

    Moreover, I can use any pseudonym I like as long as I don't use it on G+ which seems a reasonable trade-off. If your concern is that the CIA might get grandma's cookie recipe, then you're screwed if your family is contacting you through G+ but hopefully you're bright enough to do anything truly nefarious on a more secure channel.

    I follow a couple of Googlers, a couple of celebrities I was already following on Twitter and that's just about it for now until invites are opened a little wider. In all it's low-key and fosters a more interesting kind of correspondence. Open discourse seems to pop up a lot more often and it's a lot more coherent than either a Twitter discussion or a Facebook comment thread not to mention a lot easier to join a public thread.

    In all, I like it a lot and I'm looking forward to the improvements.

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    I just found out there's no such thing as the real world. It's just a lie you've got to rise above. - John Mayer
    1. Re:I actually use it... by wrook · · Score: 1

      Moreover, I can use any pseudonym I like as long as I don't use it on G+ which seems a reasonable trade-off. If your concern is that the CIA might get grandma's cookie recipe, then you're screwed if your family is contacting you through G+ but hopefully you're bright enough to do anything truly nefarious on a more secure channel.

      Why is this a reasonable trade-off. What are you trading? I suppose Google can do whatever they want with the service they offer and if you feel that using the service is the plus against the minus of not using a pseudonym then I guess that's up to you. But I don't see it as a trade-off. They aren't giving me anything special in exchange for agreeing to use my real name. And let's face it, the reason they want your real name is because they profit from it.

      As to the question of why do I want to use a pseudonym... My question to you, Gooba42, is why don't you have your real name in your Slashdot profile? Hmmm... I don't either, although it is trivially easy to find my real name if you look around. I can't speak for you, but for me it's because the things I write on Slashdot are meant to be taken on their own merit, not as an official statement of [WhoeverIAm]. You *could* figure it out, but I really, really doubt if anyone up to this point has bothered to do so. This means that people who know me personally can read my words and judge them only on their own merit without taking into consideration their bias for me. This is valuable to me.

    2. Re:I actually use it... by brentrad · · Score: 1

      There's a golden opportunity here that geeks may want to consider about Google+ - we can shape the discourse and way that the Google+ community develops, and request *useful* features of the Google developers. Facebook was first joined by the cool college kids. Google+ is being first joined by geeks. Everyone posting on Slashdot is by definition engaging in a social network, wouldn't it be cool to have a social network for geeks?

      The thing about Google+ now is there's much less noise to signal than Facebook, and that's probably because the majority of people on Google+ are early-adopting geeks, and not your Grandmother or 13 year old sister.

    3. Re:I actually use it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I strongly dislike google+ because it advertises on slashdot using user comments.

    4. Re:I actually use it... by vlm · · Score: 1

      If they want a more accurate profile of me to present ads which I might conceivably be interested in while I'm doing my friends-and-family socializing, that works fine by me. I've dismissed about a million Zynga ads on Facebook and their ad-bot code can't take a hint so more accurate ad profiling works in my favor by being less irritating by several orders of magnitude.

      I use G+, but I only use firefox and adblock plus, so my internet doesn't have ads. Could someone with an inferior browser verify if G+ has ads, and if so are they adaptive ads like I'd guess?

      I did hear early in the beta that they hadn't even integrated it with the ads system, so there were no ads.

      Frankly, when I go shopping online, a lot of shopping is searching google to find stuff. I wanna use a PTC thermistor on a crystal oscillator to temperature stabilize it, I'm thinking about 12 volts operating and more than 40 ohms cold resistance so as not to blow a fuse and a stable operating point around 50 C would be about right... Yes GE MADE some perfect ones that exactly fit my needs but they stopped sometime around the RoHS changeover. After much agony, and endless suppliers who list it as a product but not in stock, or claim they can order them but it seems they can't, I somehow found a horde of them at Mouser. Now if I got cool ads like PTC thermistor crystal stabilizer heaters, then I would not block ads. Or maybe any ad from adafruit or dangerous prototypes would make me happy. Or any ad from kenwood / icom / yaesu / elecraft / tentec would make me happy. And since I buy a lot of stuff from those people they'd like to pay to show me the ads. But the only ads I ever get are "singles in your area" and "click the monkey to win" BS.

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    5. Re:I actually use it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Honestly, it's been so long I don't remember if I specifically left my name off the profile or was too impatient to do anything but the minimum.

      All the same, if the price of using G+ is using my actual name then I consider it a fair trade. I get what I want out of the exchange and I'm mindful of the cost.

    6. Re:I actually use it... by Tim+C · · Score: 1

      Moreover, I can use any pseudonym I like as long as I don't use it on G+ which seems a reasonable trade-off. If your concern is that the CIA might get grandma's cookie recipe, then you're screwed if your family is contacting you through G+ but hopefully you're bright enough to do anything truly nefarious on a more secure channel.

      My concern isn't with anonymity, it's with personal choice. I should be free to call myself whatever I want. On a more practical note, my girlfriend uses a pseudonym for her business (she makes and sells clothes, bags, etc) - she uses her real first name but a different surname, one that is more in keeping with her chosen profession. She uses this name on Twitter, Facebook, her blog, etc - but can't on Google+. Why not?

    7. Re:I actually use it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But what about pseudonymous usage? Gooba42 ?Of the Hampton Goobas?

      Seriously this is one feature I'm looking for. Let's see how they implement it.

  59. Tech Ghetto by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is it just me and my friends or is Google+ a refuge of geeks. From just a cursory examination of various circles, it seems G+ is missing the diversity of Facebook. The older users seem to be either parents or geek power brokers, there are few teens, and most seem to have a college degree (yes, there is selection bias there if all my friends have college degrees, and yes often "degrees" plural).

    It just seems if the initial rollout is catering to this crowd, Google is missing out on what the rest want or enjoy from existing services like Twitter and Facebook.

  60. No ability to create new accounts = FAIL by n0w0rries · · Score: 0

    I think Twitter has Google + beat soundly based on ONE feature I can sign up for Twitter, but Google + is not open for new accounts. I think that's the most important feature in ANY online service.

  61. Re:people are wondering, what's the real deal, her by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i'm using a pseudonym on google+ because it's what 90% of my friends know me by. but i have an adsense account too, so not only does google know my legal name they have my tax information too :/

    no account suspension yet, knock on wood~~

  62. Seriously? by Angst+Badger · · Score: 2

    This is like asking whether nose-picking is going to obsolete butt-scratching. I mean, sure, there's an answer ("probably not"), but even if it does, the only discernible effect will be the usual six-month lag before TV journalists catch up to whatever bit of jargon replaces "tweet".

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  63. Where can I get an Internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is this a new magazine or something? I was too busy reading a Life article on how John Lennon might leave the Beatles, might have missed it.

  64. Here's a coupon for you by definate · · Score: 1

    Awesome response. Here's a coupon for one free internet for you --> Coupon inside.

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  65. Circles are too complex for puny brains by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If I want to post something that will not be public but that my friend Alex will see, I have to remember a) in which circle I placed Alex, and b) whether Alex has added me. This doesn't sound like a lot, but if we're talking about someone that I only think of every 3 months then it could get very difficult to remember. Even remembering who is in which circle will be difficult. If I'm on Facebook, all I have to remember is the answer to one simple question: "am I friends with Alex?" On Twitter, I just have to remember whether Alex is following me.

    G+ may be very useful for keeping in touch with a small amount of close friends, but it remains to be seen how well it will scale to numbers as large as a typical Facebook or Twitter account.

    1. Re:Circles are too complex for puny brains by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And what's wrong with e-mail if it's just a point to point communication?

      I must be missing something obvious here but WHY does everyone need to post conversations on what are effectively public bulletin boards?

    2. Re:Circles are too complex for puny brains by coldsalmon · · Score: 1

      I was referring to a post that I wish to be viewable only by a certain subset of my contacts which includes a particular individual or individuals -- this was not clear from my initial post. Obviously, if I just want to send my friend a private email I can do that. The whole purpose of Google+ circles is to enable fine control over who sees your posts, but I just don't think that it will scale well. Perhaps a more useful example would involve forgetting that someone with whom you do not want to share a particular post is a member of the circle to which you post. The concept of circles as a privacy tool depends upon our capacity to manage them properly, which I don't think is reasonably possible. This will lead not only to wasted time, but to unintended sharing through a false sense of privacy that depends on the user's imperfect brain. If I want to post "My boss is a ********" and not have my boss see it, I have to choose a circle without my boss -- "Friends," for example. This is fairly easy, but I also have to click "disable reshare" so that nobody in my friends circle will thoughtlessly reshare the post with a circle that includes my boss. If I forget to check that box, I could get in a lot of trouble. On Facebook or Twitter, I simply wouldn't post such a comment, but Google+ encourages more recklessness without providing robust safeguards. If that's intentional, it's a pretty clever way to get people to share even more private information than Facebook or Twitter can see.

  66. Ad trend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    (for those without adblock)
    I forsee a trend, ads will become like spam and look more like content. This way
    people cant see the difference between ads and content.

    "Listen, and understand. That Google-ads is out there.
      It cant be bargained with. It cant be reasoned with. It doesnt feel pity,
      or remorse, or fear.
      And it absolutely will not stop, ever."

  67. Let's see.. by crossmr · · Score: 1

    when I'm logged into Twitter, I can still perform news searches without google+ "personalizing" them for me and making them utterly useless.

    http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2343964&cid=36854874

    so no..not so much..

  68. Why does everyone want Twitter gone? by cervesaebraciator · · Score: 3, Funny

    For my part, I don’t see the problem with Twitter. I mean, 140 characters is more than enough to develop a fully formed and well articulated

    1. Re:Why does everyone want Twitter gone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hands up if you checked that this is 140 characters long?

    2. Re:Why does everyone want Twitter gone? by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      Twitter is an exercise in brevity. I've found that it helps you get your point across without flourishing words. Assuming that "thought" was the cut-off word, you could go the abbreviation route and tweet:

      For my part, I don’t see the prob with Twitter. I mean, 140 chars is more than enough to develop a fully formed & well articulated thought.

      You now have a 139 character tweet.

      Or, you could realize that "I mean, " is really unnecessary to the meaning of the sentence and cut it out. That takes you within one character of the limit. Do the "and=>&" replacement or leave off the last period and you're there. Like so:

      For my part, I don’t see the problem with Twitter. 140 characters is more than enough to develop a fully formed & well articulated thought.

      No, Twitter isn't good for long, protracted arguments/discussions. It's not meant for that. Instead, it's meant for quick ideas & comments.

      And, yes, you could tweet that last line.

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  69. Short answer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    N.

  70. Google Plus for the LOSS by REALMAN · · Score: 0

    You claim that google plus is better than twitter. One must wonder how much google is paying you for that assessment? With twitter, we don't have to give out our name.

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  71. Anonymity by Weezul · · Score: 1

    To be more precise, Twitter offers a measure of anonymity that neither Facebook nor google+ do. People like their screen names. :)

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  72. Easy question by 1s44c · · Score: 1

    Is Twitter Rendered Obsolete By Google+?

    No.

  73. Twitter was rendered obsolete by Facebook, duh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Twitter was rendered obsolete (and pointless) by Facebook years ago - not that I like facebook.
    Why anyone uses that junk (twitter) - typically just to post to facebook anyway, is a mystery to me.
    The only things I "like" about Twitter: You can search all the posts easily (i.e. Train Delay Chicago) and get realtime news - often you find more first hand info before any other source, this is cool...But Twitter is just out of hand - I mean really, you can't even post photos on the damn thing. It's not 1995 anymore, photos are a fact of life; grow up twitter. This one feature I like could be implemented into Facebook easily.
    I think the same question applies to things like evite - I don't get them anymore - I receive facebook event invites typically - and it just makes sense, it's all in one place... Most of us have a good number of friends, organized into groups already.
    Yes, one stop shopping never has all the niche features that everyone wants\needs, but for the majority, it gets the job done.

    While Google+ may end up growing in popularity, I just see more fragmentation just for the sake of it.
    Does Facebook have LOTS of flaws? YES. Are they terminal? NO, they could be fixed.
    I'd like to see Facebook have a simple, elegant security mechanism, where you can on a per-post basis choose who is able to see your post: i.e. default level is everyone, and then when you have a post that you only want some group(s) to see, you can just check them. Seems like a simple request and would solve a lot of problems - moreover, it would allow for searching of posts like I do with Twitter - and then I would /never/ use Twitter Search.
    Only a twit would waste their energy with Twitter. It's just vaporware.
    Rant complete.

  74. Hoping beyond hope by Dachannien · · Score: 1

    Does this mean that URL shortener services will die in a fire?

  75. Google+ is revolutionary! by Kagetsuki · · Score: 1

    It will kill facebook. It will kill twitter. It will revolutionize your social atmosphere. With Google+ you'll always know what your friends are eating when they are eating it regardless of weather or not you want to. Google+ will melt your iPhone. Google+ will get your mom to stop drinking. I've only been using Google+ for a week and I've already lost 16kg. Google+ accelerates your Internet connection 15X. Google+ lets you cheat on your wife faster and smarter without any possibility of negative repercussion. Google+ knows what you want to eat and will send you coupons for it (unless you want to eat soup, because soup is for fagots and Google+ is straight edge). If you change the + in Google+ to a - your pets will mysteriously disappear. Google+ will raise your children for you. Google+ contains vitamins and sodium. Google+ will be the future government. Google+ will rape your data. Loyal Google+ members will be sent regular installments of exotic spiced meats. Google+ will teach you how to play tennis like the pros. Google+ has no confidence issues; Google+ sleeps naked. This one time, a burglar broke into Google+s' apartment and Google+ fucking killed the guy with his bare hands. Google+ eats grapefruit for breakfast. Google+ is free forever. Google+ is fresher than an ocean breeze. Google+ is radical to the max.

  76. Twitter dieing? by Yulivee · · Score: 1

    I personally don't belive, that Twitter is going to die. The short feeds are just pretty good for promoting stuff, thats why buissnesses love Twitter. But yeah Google + will most likely eat a bit of their Traffic.

  77. Re:RFC 1918: Address Allocation for Private Intern by bbn · · Score: 1

    That is the old internet 4. You want the new and better internet 6: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4193

  78. I took a shit! by apparently · · Score: 1
    Sadly, the subject-line of this post is more interesting than everything already posted on Google+ combined with everything that will ever be posted on Google+.

    tl;dr: I took a shit!

  79. I want try google+ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Although twitter is develops earlier than google+,but i don't like the user Interface, and i want the google+ can give me a new sense.

  80. what about the rest of the world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i do not understand how every body gets invited to this google plus, 99.9% of the people here around me dont even know off its existence

  81. And? by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1

    Last time I checked Android outsold iPhone to a significant degree. Also Apple would be in serious legal trouble if it blocked a google+ app. So twitter is slightly more integrated. Well, calling on phones is more intergrated then whatapp. Doesn't seem to stop users at all.

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  82. Seriously? by Monty+Worm · · Score: 1
    In comparison to Google +, Twitter is open.

    I use Twitter both as what it was designed for, and as a central point for dispatching to other services.
    If I post to my blog (mostly, but not entirely photos taken from my phone) it posts into twitter. In turn, posts from my twitter feed are reposted into Facebook. I dislike that conversations growing from postings remain trapped in whichever site they happen to be in, but no one seems to care. I do like that people who have never met (due to being in different parts of the world, and in different social circles inside) can effectively have discussions inside shared facebook comments/links etc.

    I told Google+ about my twitter account, and it did nothing about it.

    I'm far from convinced Google+ will last, far from making twitter obsolete.

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  83. That's revisionist history. by CountBrass · · Score: 1

    Windows won because of the applications that were already available for it (Word and Excel) but not for OS/2.

    It had nothing to do with the superiority of the Windows experience: in fact Windows 3.x is markedly inferior to OS/2.

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  84. 4chan stills better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google+ sucks, as usual, they are just reinventing the wheel and saying that their cock is bigger. Guys, believe me, if somebody advent a social network standard protocol, I will spent my time using it, and it will be useful, like irc, imap, etc.

  85. Twitter was rendered obsolete when... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Twitter was rendered obsolete when... they took a ridiculous
    format, made it kitschy and found enough plebes to think
    it's 'teh die for'.

    I've sent maybe a half dozen tweets and declared the format
    ridiculous. Anyone who can succinctly and continuously
    spew information that (without contractions and URL shorteners)
    fits in that format doesn't have much to add to the world.

    As noted by just how many damn "celebrities" are on there
    to spread their insidious drivel.

    And oblig, "Can I haz an Internet"

    -AI

  86. Never Happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Twitter will not be replaced by anything. Twitters success is it's simplicity. Although they could try and fix there creating list bugs!

  87. 3 year cycle by dasherjan · · Score: 2

    If the other social networking sites are any indication. Something better will come along in about 3 - 4 years to replace google+

  88. Power of inertia by assertation · · Score: 1

    I think it is too early to tell if Twitter is threatened, especially with the power of inertia on the internet. If people are used to socializing in one place, they tend to stay there even when a better alternative comes along.

    G+ will take a big hit out of Facebook for sure. People have many strong complaints with Facebook, but Facebook can survive.

    However, Twitter users don't have any complaints with Twitter, it is more simple than G+ and the users generally like it.

  89. remind me what twitter does? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have yet to understand. All it seems to do it get people to say the word "tweet" alot and put these annoying links on every site I go to. /I'm a dying breed... a pull based client in a push world.

  90. Google+ has a ways to go by Jason+Levine · · Score: 2

    Right now, Twitter has some advantages that Google+ doesn't have. They aren't insurmountable, but Google+ as it stands now won't replace Twitter.

    - SMS Updates: Right now, I can text 40404 with a tweet and it'll appear on my Twitter stream. Google is apparently testing this in India. No news on when/if this will appear in America and other countries.

    - API/Third Party Tools: Right now, I can run Seesmic Desktop to check my tweets. I can have my blog tweet for me. I can program my own application to interact with Twitter. Twitter lets me do all this thanks to their open APIs. Google+ currently doesn't have any APIs. Once they get an API-set, then people can develop tools to let me access Google+ without actually having to go to Google's website. Until then, they'll lag behind.

    - Names: I use a pseudonym on my blog and Twitter. I don't use my real name (unlike on Slashdot, but this account was from years back when I didn't care about privacy as much). Google+, however, demands that I use my real name. I don't want everyone I tweet/blog to to know my real name. I'd rather show them the pseudonym and let certain circles see my real name. If Google+ would let me choose who gets to see my real name and who doesn't, they would solve this problem. (They could require you input your real name but then have you set which circles see which names/nicknames.)

    I'll keep an eye on Google+, but until they fix the above items I'm not abandoning Twitter for it.

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    1. Re:Google+ has a ways to go by RJFerret · · Score: 1

      They never have required your real name (check out their naming policy rather than assuming you can't use your 'common' name), but given the backlash they've received from their over-zealous attempt at restricting fake and spam accounts, see how they are changing their response to naming policy violations.

  91. Don't use Social Networks by Jorl17 · · Score: 1

    Thought I'd feed the trolls.

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  92. Obligatory XKCD by stms · · Score: 1

    Obviously twitter is dead.

  93. g+ will allow this behavior if you want it to by jDeepbeep · · Score: 1

    G+ can duplicate this as a subset of functionality, when a user chooses to make all their posts public.

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  94. So why didn't facebook already kill Twitter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "It's only a matter of time before Twitter becomes a ghost town. While Facebook will soon do all the things Twitter does, Twitter can't support a long list of the things Facebook supports. Also on Facebook, you can post pictures and videos directly in posts, launch immediately into chat, send your posts to nonmembers and even present all your profiles marked 'Public' as a blog available to anyone with an Internet."

    Ok, so it's not exactly the same, but twitter would've already been killed by facebook if google+ can kill twitter.

  95. Buzz by djKing · · Score: 1

    Only one thing from the summary wasn't in Google Buzz and well, 95% of Buzz is imported twitter posts, not using any of those features. Why would G+ be different?

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  96. Is Google+ Already Obsolete? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It seems like that's a more relevant question. Facebook invites are annoying enough. The last thing I want are a new round of invites from my clueless friends who don't understand that you should never upload your real name, age, address, phone number, and list of everyone you know to someone else's servers.

  97. Aaaaaaaand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Aaaaaaaaand I don't give a flying fuck about Twitter.

  98. Nearly big brothered by enosdan · · Score: 1

    Yesterday they read your emails and agendas. Today they read your private instant communications. Tomorrow they'll mine right into your brains.

  99. Just wait a while longer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They haven't sent an invite to everybody that wanted one yet (me included). Damn! Starting to feel like chopped liver! The only way Twitter will go down is if Google+ opens their API to other social networking wares. I don't see that happening soon given the infant status of the site.

  100. Who wants Google+ to mash their own internet life? by Hazmat339 · · Score: 1

    It's seriously creepy that Google+ will now troll the net for information about it's own account holders and make decisions on what's correct and what's not, what's public info and what's semi-private info, and so on. Why I was banned on Google+ (and how I redeemed myself). The shape of things to come. http://t.co/jkGRq1g

  101. apple and orange. by petronivs · · Score: 1

    So the article is basically saying that Twitter is not a social network, and because it's not a social network, it can't possibly survive. Ok. I hope the authors are having fun in their happy place.

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