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Philly Answers Youth Flash Mobs With Curfew Enforcement
Not that it's the first city to enforce a youth curfew, and not that kids on a crime-spree is the only variety of moral panic offered as a rationale, but Philadelphia is cracking down through increased enforcement of a youth curfew law after children and teenagers attacked two people in the Center City district — attacks which, according to police, were coordinated via text messaging.
And in this case, it wasn't really a flash mob at all, it was just a gang of hoodlums.
This story doesn't seem relevant to this site at all to me.
Gentlemen!!! First they came for me...
I am a [ Apple user ] of [ unknown age ] looking to organise an attack at [ any and all Apple stores ]. But keep it under your [ iPads ]!!! I wouldn't want them shutting down allllll [ Apple stores ].
I am a [ socialist ] of [ long hair ] looking to organise an attack at [ within 20 miles of every single government building ]. But keep it under your [ Lenin caps ]!!! I wouldn't want them shutting down allllll [ places where young people gather ].
"There is no excuse for young people to be able to participate in coordinated, violent behavior if parents are doing their job. It is your responsibility, not the government's, to watch your kids."
There is no excuse for Philly police to be unable to catch coordinated, violent criminals, no matter what size the criminals are.
What if the parents are responsible and little Johnny has shown enough maturity to stay out late without a helicopter mom hovering nearby?
In the land of the free, I guess it's a crime to be out after 10 PM.
The last two attacks were not organized online AND occurred BEFORE the proposed curfew times.
These wildings have also happening on and around the market and broad lines just after school dismission times.
And it has been happening with 10-11-year-olds and supposedly good graduates of the school system, not just some crack kids.
Shows how all the wonder of the center city revitalization can evaporate in a puff of smoke like the wildings of the 70's in NYC and other places can turn your nice condo and restaurant scene to shit real fast.
Nutter doesn't have a chance to solve this, but I bet that sadly most people will call for more street cameras and more stop-and-frisk.
suburbs of cleveland, oh have done the exact same thing too (Cleveland heights and a couple of others)
If you think enforcing one law to try to prevent future crime is the action of a police state, then I hate to break it to you, but we've been in a police state as long as you've been alive.
...a flashmugging?
You are pretty much an idiot :) I'm not sure if you know what riots look like but these range from huge riots to just mobs of kids running through the streets snatching things and assaulting people randomly. Also, Philly has had a curfew since I was a kid and my friend was just recounting a story of getting a citation from the police and screamed at by his parents as 14 year old out at 4am. PS: He's white so pre-empting any sort of race thing here, they enforce these curfews across the board.
...everyone is aware that's not what a 'flash mob' is, right?
There are law enforcement issues issues with 'flash mobs', specifically, they work very well as a pre-scheduled distraction for the police, and can even be used for help with escape.
At some point, I suspect that will happen, that some bank robber wearing a clown outfit will actually escape into a flash mob of clowns, and everyone participating in the flash mob will be charged as an 'attractive nuisance', which is legal speak for 'behaving so stupidly that you make the job of criminals easier', and this whole 'flash mob' thing will die out, or at least the anonymous ones.
However, thugs that know each other, coordinating an attack via text messages, is not a 'flash mob'.
If corporations are people, aren't stockholders guilty of slavery?
Subby needs to learn what a flash mob is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_mob.
Also, this is news for nerds because why?
See folks, as our economy declines into a Third World one - no thanks to the Republicans and the TEA Party - we're going to see more civil unrest. Of course, the rich and powerful are scared shitless of this and they're going to have more and more of these rules put into place until we have a police state. Of course, there will be plenty of backing from our fellow peons - you know the "law and order" and "if you do nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about" Republicans.
I'd rather give away half then having it all taken away. -Joseph P. Kennedy when asked why a super rich guy like him backed the Democrats
I agree with you except for the part where you don't perceive the Democrats as also being a coequal part of the problem.
The damage they do could not be done without you. Just like the damage the Republicans do couldn't be done without their own apologists.
It's time to recognize that they are two branches of a single party, the purpose of which is to monopolize political power and lock out all competitors who are not vetted by one of the two branches. It is very much like the trade guilds of old. Neither one gives a damn about you. Neither wants a prosperous, smoothly-running nation with no crises to solve, no fires to put out, nothing to be afraid of. Neither wants an empowered, politically active average person who can think critically and will stand on principle no matter what.
What they really want are a bunch of fat, stupid, dependent, needy, divided, emotionally immature people who bicker and play blame games. This means zero accountability. It also means that when someone cries foul, it is not taken seriously because everyone cries foul all the time. Everything is the other party's fault, except the members of the other party feel that way too.
It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. - Einstein
Not many Republicans running Philly.
Philly is perfectly capable of turning itself into a third-world economy with a democrat party lock on the city.
The sad fact is that Democrats and Republicans have been criminally irresponsible at spending other people's money.
And the TEA Party is not taking anything down. Gravity and reality are taking us down, and bullshit political narratives will not be saving us.
You know, democracy and political correctness are completely and fundamentally incompatible.
Democracy can only work if people are free to discuss the issues that are effecting them.
Such discussions need to include all the facts. Political correctness censors all facts that expose that the ideologies that the government is trying to impose upon everyone is incompatible with reality. All reality that proves that such ideologies are impossible, bad idea, are politically incorrect to mention. Censored.
Unlimited alien (genetically) immigration is one of those ideologies. Any facts that show that importing racial enemies is a bad idea are censored.
An interesting conflict of their stance comes out of their trying to suppress reality. They claim that the world is becoming over populated. They then only ever say the solution is for us to stop breeding. They never say to cut off immigration from nations which are irresponsible with their own breeding rate. In one speech they will say we need more immigration because our birth rate is too low. In another speech they will say that we have too many people, stop breeding, stop being so irresponsible.
Such conflicts of paradigm occur when you fight reality and truth in order to promote your ideology.
It's all the Tea party's fault? Come on, you've got the wrong narrative here. The "flash mobs" are African-Americans, and this new enforcement is just racism. Philadelphia is a highly liberal area. Of course, the idea that liberals are using the thug police to oppress African-Americans is bound to cause some cognitive dissonance, but it's nothing that reading some Marx won't cure.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
Because the second link was a bit light on information and the NY Times still seems to think that dumbass John Street is still the mayor of Philadelphia I give you the local source. http://www.philly.com/philly/news/pennsylvania/126902753.html it really was a shame what they did to one of those guys but this is hardly a flash mob. What somone had a cell phone and all of a sudden it's "News for Nerds"? Please. I don't even live in Philadelphia (anymore) and I know it's not safe to walk around downtown at 10:00PM. Brotherly Love my ass.
"We are just a war away from Amerikastan. When god vs god the undoing of man." Dave Mustaine
... but a Douche Mob, 's'trewth!
Which would, presumably, explain why the Democrat government of Philadelphia decided to impose a curfew and then to enforce it?
"I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
It's not a flash mob unless at least 80 people participate in the mugging. txt me for details!!!!!
Google black flash mob and you'll see this is becoming a more frequent and frightening phenomenon. The one previous to this was at the Wisconsin State Fair. Here's the link if you think I'm lying http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/126828998.html
Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
And not allowed Flash to run on their platform.
It's not the Tea Party's fault, it's the deteriorating economies fault ... the Tea Party just isn't very helpful in that regard (although ultimately it's the oil dependency and lack of commitment in fixing it which is the true problem). As wealth inequality increases while median income decreases the only way to preserve peace and order will have to be to increase policing.
I think their are just trying to curb the numbers of citizens from Philidelphia migrating to Bel Air to stay with their aunties and uncles.
The fact that the flash mobs are black doesn't give them any more right to cause violence and mayhem. I'd love to know why you think it does. Also, if you are so far removed from the concept of not wanting to get beaten up or mugged (a pretty rational feeling), you probably are posting from somewhere you don't even have to think about impoverishment or minorities. So your ivory tower attitude about how racist everyone is who doesn't like getting assaulted in the middle of the street is disingenuous and stupid. It's pretty much exactly the same attitude that leads to "why don't poor people just find jobs" except you are channeling it into "why don't white people in these neighborhoods just deal with it because some white people once owned slaves". Either way you don't have to worry about it or hold a viewpoint that isn't selfish and naive and removed.
As a Philadelphian, I can vouch that a flash mob in Philly is not the same thing as a flash mob that you see on AT&T advertising campaigns. While a flash mob may make you think of a bunch of people dancing in unison to some obscure pop culture reference in a large public area, a Philadelphia flash mob is a band of nearly feral minority teenagers whose parent wants to get their drink on and expels them for the night from their section 8 houses in North Philadelphia. They then flood down in droves to the Center City business district and Old City/South Street area, where they attack people at random.
I am sorry if that comes off as bitter and slightly racist. I was involved in one of these on South Street a few months ago...the fear you feel is absolutely indescribable when you realize that kids as young as 10 were raised in a way where they feel assaulting and robbing people at random is an acceptable Saturday night activity.
That is the same mentality that has America running down the road of bankrupcy Corporate Enslavement, Police state, TSA, Runaway laws, Lawyer Greed hysteria
lol? @ AC1
They should be banning private ownership of cellphones, which are obviously highly effective as terrorist weapons.
I guess African Americans was just too descriptive and racist. Youth is also ageist so perhaps it should be changed to 'people', yet perhaps that is too speciesist.
You know, democracy and political correctness are completely and fundamentally incompatible.
Democracy can only work if people are free to discuss the issues that are affecting them.
Such discussions need to include all the facts. Political correctness censors all facts that expose that the ideologies that the government is trying to impose upon everyone is incompatible with reality. All reality that proves that such ideologies are impossible, bad idea, are politically incorrect to mention. Censored.
Unlimited alien (genetically) immigration is one of those ideologies. Any facts that show that importing racial enemies is a bad idea are censored.
An interesting conflict of their stance comes out of their trying to suppress reality. They claim that the world is becoming over populated. They then only ever say the solution is for us to stop breeding. They never say to cut off immigration from nations which are irresponsible with their own breeding rate. In one speech they will say we need more immigration because our birth rate is too low. In another speech they will say that we have too many people, stop breeding, stop being so irresponsible.
If only those who are responsible and moral enough to decrease their fertility rate do so, then only people who cannot help themselves will be populating the earth. The will to control oneself for the good of the environment will be bred out of existence.
Such destructive results, such conflicts of paradigm, will always occur when you fight reality and truth in order to promote your ideology.
I remember back when I was 17. I would think to myself, "If only there was a time of year where there was no school and I could get a job to earn some extra cash."
I hope one day future generations could have some kind of vacation in the summer where they could work to earn extra money, even if it involves the occasional late shift.
Hoodlums /= "civil unrest", and the baseline violence level in the US is trivial compared to the Bad Old Days.
For example, walking in Central Park is no longer considered attempted suicide. Have some stats:
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/nycrime.htm
Want "civil unrest"? Have some "1967 riots". THAT was civil unrest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBhaiJ5YNiM
"This post is an artistic work of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."
We can talk about rights all we want, but the fact here is that what we're experiencing here is the criminal element stripping our rights away. Being unable to safely walk somewhere late at night constitutes a loss of freedom. The problem is that Americans are so used to this sort of garbage that they don't even see the problem. But I lived overseas where I could walk the streets at 3am without a care in the world. It wasn't that crime was non-existent but it didn't factor into normal routine. Sketchy neighborhoods were rare.
But the problem here is that American law enforcement is reactive, not proactive. The approach taken to crime is similar to how oppressive regimes keep sectarian conflict in check: oppression. I don't mean that Americans practice anything nearly that severe. What I mean is that they address problems with aggressive tactics; increased police presence, more arrests, etc. That only addresses the symptoms and once they're gone the problems return. And making matters worse is that this approach dehumanizes police offices, it turns them into this faceless force. They don't interact nearly enough with communities. They should patrol on foot, not in police cars.
However, the real problem are parents. Too many parents have abrogated their responsibilities. They don't care what their kids are doing, because if they did that kid wouldn't be out on the streets in the middle of the night. So, the responsibility ends up being foisted on the government. And what the government decides isn't always in the best interests of the citizens, especially when they're looking for quick results. Those quick results are effective over the current election cycle, but they never address the long term problems.
But the fact is the United States is suffering from serious cultural issues that perpetuates things like crime. Those need to be addressed properly, but honestly, I don't know see who could disagree with the benefits of enjoying safer streets, less vandalism, etc. But I suppose it's the tendency for Americans to want to stick it to the man, to the point of being irrational about it.
So, on one hand you want to be free, complain about the curfew as well as police having ability to enforce it.
On the other hand, you want police to take care of child criminals, absolving parents from responsibility.
Have you ever heard a saying "you can't have your cake and eat it too"?
the same things happen in other parts to the world, and it's not black kids doing it, it's poor kids doing it
the POVERTY is the issue, not the race
it's just revealing to me to see the right constantly falling into race based thinking, rather than class based thinking
it reveals the right doesn't understand the problems you create when you push social policies that create a large poor under class, rather than policies that support the growth of the middle class
the right pushes policies that makes people poor, and then they see poor people doing things because of their lame policies
and yet, they don't think "poor kids did this and that", they think "black kids did this and that"
very revealing
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
it's a problem with poverty
the overseas places you are talking about are rich places. there are also rich places you can walk around at 3 am in the usa
go to the favelas in rio, the slums outside mumbai or manila or cairo or nairobi, and you tell me again criminals running roughshod over your rights is some sort of american phenomenon
ridiculous
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Regardless of whether it would be effective at stopping crime, curfews are routinely struck down as unconstitutional. All this will do is cost the city of Philadelphia money in legal fees when it is inevitably challenged in court and struck down.
Local politicians rarely learn though.
Let me guess: your school system had year-round classes.
Self-defense! Carry a gun / knife / etc and fight back and when a couple of their friends start to die then they won't be attacking randoms anymore.
Most American cities have curfew laws, though it's hard for me to even remotely agree with having them. I fail to see how enforcing curfew laws will curtail mobs. What the mobs are doing is against the law and they don't care about that. What are the odds they're going to care about curfew? And since the entire underlying problem seems to be that police can't keep up with these insta-mobs, how are they going to keep up with these insta-curfew-violating-mobs?
And while we're at it - so what? The job of the police isn't to protect you from crime. It's to clean up afterward and MAYBE find the guilty party.
Good luck on civil unrest part. Another Kent State will make sure there won't be any protestors on the street, and the US has a lot of prison capacity.
Revolution is completely impossible in the US on that level.
W-O-O-O-O-S-H-SH!
Except that those are two different scenarios. On one hand, they don't want police enforcing a curfew. On the other hand, they want police to take care of the few people that actually commit crimes. The latter has little to do with the former.
Filthy, filthy copyrapists!
The world runs 24/7 these days.
I work night shift
Could you please back these statements up with some facts? The truth is that our cities are not in general more dangerous than they were before, nor was there some kind of golden age when everyone was safer than we were now. Certainly I can point to times when things were much much worse.
While there are always hotspots of crime and danger, and you can always point at anecdotes of problems, I don't think you can support your assertions, and extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
What do you know I wrote a novel
Flash Mods are news for nerds because we're Larry Niven fans, I think.
I will be threshing anyone that touches my hard-earned computing equipment. Just because someone of poorer demographic is pissed they can't get a foothold into an industry with all the high-tech gadgets is no reason to steal people's phones. Farmers will hang a man for stealing a horse or their farming equipment, so it's not a matter of price but a matter of social jealousy that someone didn't earn.
How this relates to News For Nerds is that when one steals my pricey PDA phone how can I remotely lock and retrieve my data within a day of it being stolen, and how can I triangulate that PDA phone to when would be the most effective moment to orbitally bombard the carrier with ordinance? After-all, you wouldn't want anyone having hand-held unrestricted access to your website accounts to manipulate your finances or your reputation with active authentication tokens before that PDA phone was stolen.
PS: Why do Philadelphia Flash-Mob Youths eyes swell red and shut durring sex? It's the mace.
US cities of the present and some point in the past but US cities and non-US cities. Your demand for "some facts" in no way addresses the post you are replying to.
We need leadership and great dreams.
We need to build the country back to it's greatness, not as a military power, nor as some corporate imperialist pawn, but as a strong vibrant nation with brilliant ideas, the highest of quality of workmanship, topped with our amazing style and innovation. Face it, nobody wants to see us turn into slobs, and that is what the nation has collectively done. It reflects from sea to shining sea.
We need a medical system that is cost effective. We need a safety net system that bounces people back up, not entangle them in a pathetic dependent existence. We need fair trade, because free trade isn't free, it costs us. Why should we allow countries to sell to us, but not us to them? Why should we let other countries undercut our labor and force our people out of jobs? Why should we let unions go overboard with their mission and make it hard for companies to make a profit, and still have issues with a fair wage for all employees? Labor is an issue that should be resolved intelligently for the best interest of both parties, after all the two depend on each other.
Lets stop ignoring science while we are at it. There are some obvious issues the world needs to deal with and we need to lead the way yet again with good ideas first, and not just throw tax payer dollars at it.
Take the Red Pill.
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If you read the fine blurb... it included this salient bit. Which, in my humble opinion, renders the entire discussion here somewhat dubious.
Police said the young people in the mob appeared to be communicating by text message.
Just what does the word "Appeared," in this context indicate? Does it mean they police couldn't actually understand the content of all the text messages they read, or they couldn't follow the tread(s) of conversation because they were too complex?
WTF... IDK... NVM... STFU dude.
Or is just another bit of ridiculous reporting... Was the 11 year old arrested for participating in the attack? Were the 'youth' in question gang-bangers with previous history? Are they running amok at night while their parents are working and can't provide adequate oversight.
Inquiring minds should want more than bland generalities to go by...
WTF is this 'article' posted for? Slashdot is near the end of a slide into irrelevance for me. Oh, and when did a gang of thugs using text messges come to be known as a flash mob?
To make the parent's argument short: Stop the special interests groups from hi-jacking out Government.
-Yours
the GP
It bugs me the way older generations seem to expect young people to stay at home all day, and then think it strange when the go out and do these sort of things. This is a time when people are trying to make a name for themselves and decide who whey will become, people who want to be spineless, worthless stackers will sit at home and watch TV, but there are a lot of people who want more than that for themselves, and when this is the only real option they have, it's what they turn to.
All that black paint must be a hint that the price of shoe-polish is valued among them. I wonder how many are White after their Flash-Mob Attire is washed by a good anti-riot Hydrant from a deployed Pirate's Fire Engine unit.
You're wrong about one thing. It isn't their fault people have been giving them shit for free their whole lives. And when someone gets something for free, they naturally learn to expect it. Their expectations are completely rational and warranted as a result. The social programs are at fault, and the recipients of the social services are as much victims of system as anybody. We never should have expected a different result form the individuals involved.
Fucking fascist.
The problem with that idea is this: sooner or later we are gonna have to accept we are playing IQ musical chairs and with each turn of the music there are more losers than winners. Right now at this very minute, is there ANY job in the fast food industry that couldn't easily be done by automated assembly lines, and do so better, cleaner, more accurately, and cheaper to boot? Of course not but the only reason those millions of workers aren't on the street right now is it is "make work" where the government subsidies the pathetic wages with assistance.
With each stage of our technological evolution we have created NEW jobs to replace the old, but that simply isn't happening any more. Then you add the illegals working for peanuts taking the few unskilled jobs we had left? You have a recipe for disaster. We are either gonna have to accept this and either pay workers not to work, just as we pay farmers not to grow, we are going to have to create "make work" jobs that pay a living wage, or you are gonna have massive riots and looting when those that simply don't have the ability to become doctors or engineers find they simply have no way to feed themselves.
You can say we need to "innovate" or that everyone needs "More education" (which I personally believe will be the next bubble to burst, we have saddled huge numbers of poor youth with student loans they will simply never pay back, ruining their credit and further holding them down) but you can't escape the truth, which is a factory that once took thousands of workers can be run completely by a couple of low wage drones watching the screens and pushing buttons. Unless we have a plague or massive WWII style mass killing we simply have too many strong backs when all that is needed is a handful of big brains.
There is a good reason why Roddenberry didn't have them waving money around on Star Trek, because when technology goes beyond a certain level working for pay simply doesn't make sense. I think we have already reached that point for large sections of the poor, and more will be added to their ranks daily. Half of my neighbors have been evicted in the past months, simply because they can't find work and their benefits ran out. The lucky ones are sleeping on someone's couch, the unlucky are sleeping in their cars in 100f+ heat. What do we do with these people?
ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
I live in a neighborhood that's going through that kind of thing & I am also in process evicting some blacks from properties I own for being late on payments and destroying my property piece by piece, as well as trespassing & attempted robberies of my neighbors' homes too in this particular property.
They called me a "cracker m'f'er" when I told them to move their things from that home's basement (not in rental agreement, was just a nicety I offered), & EVEN threatened me while I was on the phone with "911" saying:
"I am going to f up your shit" and "I am going to f you up"
(How STUPID can you be? This occurred while I am on the phone with 911 & this is being recorded by the police while it happened... I could not believe it! My neighbors to that property also heard & witnessed to the same thing, calling 911 as well. Nothing was done because it's a "civil matter").
Then, they destroyed a garden of mine in "retaliation" (to which I followed my attorney's instructions to the letter, called the police & filed a report for felony criminal mischief). This was expected by my attorney in fact, I did not think it would happen. It did. He has experience here. He has the report filed & is filing/pressing criminal mischief felony charges.
They took off for days now, & have not been back in fact.
(I.E.-> Once they were spotted wrecking my gardens, they yanked their air conditioners & ran it seems thusfar!)
The city marshall came by today and posted the eviction notices on the property, etc./ et al, & told me:
"Get them out as fast as you can, you have a nice place here".
He was a nice man. All the police have been thusfar and told me pretty much the same. They also tell me that landlord-tenant laws ties their hands and they would have removed them if not for that.
See, the same officers showed up as before who filed the report when one of the "children" of the tenants was caught by myself breaking into another place I own, as well as my finding out he had done the same to a neighboring home also, and attempted to do so to yet another neighbors' home as well.
This prompted child protective services calls on the advisement of the police for a "lack of supervision" (as well as child abuse because I hear them getting beaten quite regularly as well). I don't mean little spankings either, I mean full blown BEATINGS (I can hear them screaming from another residence in fact).
Still, what bothers ME the MOST?
Well - My hands are tied, and I cannot use "other means" to stop them, until the eviction court date, as they destroy things in retaliation and I am not allowed to do anything DIRECTLY about it.
That, is bullshit.
I told the police if anything were to happen here, in them attempting to attack my person (with others they know also most likely), then, I would have to 'defend myself to the fullest extent' & they said "Feel free to do so" (clearly meaning they know what I am dealing with and what I would like to do in response).
My entire neighborhood wants them gone in fact, and are heading into court with me on the date of it soon... I am also pressing felony criminal mischief charges, but it's a shame I cannot do to they what they are doing to my properties & getting away with it (destroying things). I am not kidding. They do it, get away with it, & until that court date? My hands ARE TIED.
It's total bullshit.
APK
P.S.=> So, as you can see? Well - I am with you, 100%, from REAL EXPERIENCE, right now, hairyfeet... it's happening around me right now as I write this to you. I am fully insured thank goodness at least and all the property & taxes are paid up in full, so, the police are more than willing to help & park their vehicles here now not even a few feet away from the properties in fact @ night... it's insane!
Now, I know what I'd LIKE to do, to stop this, but the law ties my hands, the police's hands, & even child protective services' hands (
The problem is that no one takes any responsiblity - the liberal elite have pushed all these garbage social programs on us, claiming that this will fix the problem - and it hasn't. We OVERSPEND on stuff like this to fix poverty - and it doesn't fix the problem - you know why - ZERO PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. Giving people unearned government benefits is essentially giving them NOTHING - people don't view these benefits as a gift, they start to believe that someone owes them something for nothing - instead of getting a job and taking some responsibility for themselves, they throw temper tantrums and demand the fruit of someone elses neighbor.
Did you mean the fruit of someone else's labor?
So, what's your point here, other than being an off topic troll though on your part>
"I got news for ya, dude. Making them use a HOSTS file isn't going to turn them into better tenants." - by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 06, @06:21PM (#37010538)
I wish it could though, but it can't... The legal system, which I am respectful of, will though, hopefully, as well as improving my life & those of my neighbors also.
* Still - DO answer my bolded question above please... &, thank you.
APK
P.S.=> I mean, seriously: If you don't have anything better to do than being an off-topic troll, I feel sorry for you actually... I truly, do!
Life goes by quickly, I know (I am nearing 50 now, hard to believe but true), and it's up to you how you use your time in it, & trolling on YOUR part now, & probably before directed my way, imo @ least? Isn't an effective means of improving yourself or the lives of others either...
... apk
Never mind that virtually all of the major incidents in Philly happened before 10 PM.
1.) How come neighborhoods blacks live in become run down, crime ridden, & drug infested hell holes most every time (from what I have seen around here that is certain)?
They become run down because black neighborhoods are marginalized by the political process (think gerrymandering). They also become run down because they are poor (think property taxes). They become crime ridden and drug infested because the people who live there are poor, have few opportunities, and can find no way to escape (think Detroit).
2.) How come whites came to this nation & fluorished by comparison largely (creating the nation of the USA in all its greatness, yes, even now)??
Are you out of your mind? Whites "fluorished" because they built this nation on free slave labor. Blacks came to this nation in chains. You see the difference, yes?
3.) Explain what is here then:
Really? You expect me to explain what's on a site called "Niggermania.net"? Explain your racism and ignorance yourself, because I have no excuses for you.
Now - You complain of slavery, but the africans themselves also sold their own people as slaves
You are an ignorant racist. Learn your history.
Well, they tried to rob my & my neighbors' home, destroyed properties of mine when I notified I am evicting them (going on now in fact), & more (calling me "cracker m'fer" & more etc.) as well as threatening my life & properties... apk
And if it was a white guy who tried to rob you, what "them" would you be talking about? Your life is a tragic case, all right ... seek counseling for your rage issues, then educate yourself.
Breakfast served all day!
It's bad, and it's going to get even worse and worse. Those that have the money, aren't wanting to pay the bills. and are pushing the bills off on to those who can't pay. They held us hostage so they could keep their tax cuts and loopholes. The real world financial people aren't buying the bullshit that the politicians are shoveling out, so they cut our credit rating.
There are a few industries in this country that is sticking deep to us all. Frankly it's a shame that these are an industry at all considering what they are. I am talking Healthcare and all of its fellow monsters. Let me introduce it's partners in crime; lawyers, insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies. These 4 are engaged in an orgy of greed that is sucking the life out of all of us instead of preserving and extending it.
Another big one that stands off by itself is Education. This system has taken a corporate greed plunge and its turned into yet another scam to juggle paper and debt and produce basically nothing in return. Why? Because there are no jobs, why are there no jobs? There are plenty of jobs, but they aren't HERE. Why is that you ask? Well it's because we have politicians who's primary jobs are to protect this country, it's economy being part of said country, who are failing on levels that are criminal. They should collectively be arrested for such dereliction of duty. We need our military home NOW, and out of everyone's business and tending our own. We have a silent invasion happening, and we need troops here NOW, to secure the border and round up the hoards of illegal invaders. "American Jobs for Americans", especially when its us or them. Sorry, I pick us.
Why is this not going to happen? Our politicians have sold us out. They have let big corporations ransack the economy by dumping ship loads upon the hundreds of thousands from places whom trade with is like throwing the money away out of the economy. They will NEVER buy a thing from us in return. That is not trade that is a trade exploitation and its our workers who are exploited. If they can't drag it into our country from some far off land where they paid nothing to have it made, someone will make it here, because there will always be need.
Our politicians have quietly over the years, signed the workers of this country job's away. They have signed treaties that bind us by law to let them ransack our economy with unfair trade balances. They don't even negotiate well for us. They are bought and paid for by those whose interest doesn't serve us, but only those making the fortunes. And they still have the balls to hold us hostage and not pay even close to a fair share of the tax burdens.
Get used to the living in cars thing. Whatever you do, don't wax violent, they will crack down with UN Troops on us so fast it will make your head spin. Our Military will not be trusted to protect us and in fact, most will either be too far away in some ass end of the world with no gas money to get home with and left guarding the oil fields for the rich. The ones that might get squirrelly and disobey orders to dispose of us will be rounded up quickly.
This is what happens when you run amuck with a couple of wars that the world thinks you are retarded for being in; then refuse to pay your bill, by leaving the bill to the poor cousins while you try to slip out the back. This really works out well, don't you think? Because the poor cousins have to tough it out by working it off washing dishes, doing sexual favors or just getting arrested, they will forgive you. They are from that nice forgiving neighborhood that you put them in, all nice and friendly and everyone loves to forgive. After your poor cousins come hunt you down and bust multiple caps in your ass until you are all 187, "they" will do away with your rowdy poor cousins, then "they" get everything. You are toast, the poor cousins are dead or wish they were; and "they" win.
Trust me, I know what its like, having lost everything as well. One day, you are setting high on the hog, fun businesses, a nice h
Take the Red Pill.
what about Necking? or Fucking?
every day http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Random
A curfew to fight behavior that happens during the day works so well. Next, the Philadelphia Fire Department will hose down the river to fight house fires, and the Philadelphia building inspectors will be heading into the deep forest to check out the safety of the city's skyscrapers.
Calling me racist too? I am a POLISH person, I have been called "polack" all my life, so don't go trying your "pot calling the kettle black" b.s. on me, ok??
I know better. Had it done to me, first of all. Now, to tear you up, point by point:
"They become run down because black neighborhoods are marginalized by the political process (think gerrymandering)." - by PCM2 (4486) on Saturday August 06, @06:46PM (#37010674) Homepage
Bullshit, that's blaming others for their problems... plain & simple: NOBODY HAS TO LIVE LIKE ANYTHING & CONTROL THEIR OWN WORLDS IF THEY WORK HARD ENOUGH @ IT!
(Who are you trying to fool here? See subject-line above, & spare us the bullshit!)
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"They also become run down because they are poor (think property taxes)." - by PCM2 (4486) on Saturday August 06, @06:46PM (#37010674) Homepage
I live in a home & pay them myself, do you? That's just MORE BULLSHIT passing the buck b.s. from you!
Fact is, I have a neighbor who rents a house a block away, & just the other night I met he... He is only a tenant, but I thought he was the owner... he has improved the place! He trades his labor for rent in fact or breaks on the rent...
So quit trying to "blame others" as you are OBVIOUSLY "WONT TO DO" evidenced here in your b.s. statements!
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"They become crime ridden and drug infested because the people who live there are poor, have few opportunities, and can find no way to escape (think Detroit)." - by PCM2 (4486) on Saturday August 06, @06:46PM (#37010674) Homepage
Unbelievable - There is ALWAYS A WAY OUT: Go to the military if you have to, instead of dealing drugs or robbing for example!
OR
Get good grades & get scholarship or be a good athelete (I was both in my day) & get aid to go to school!
It's better than BLAMING OTHERS for your bullshit!
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"Really? You expect me to explain what's on a site called "Niggermania.net"? Explain your racism and ignorance yourself, because I have no excuses for you.." - by PCM2 (4486) on Saturday August 06, @06:46PM (#37010674) Homepage
OH please... lol, see above, & this: You have no excuse for running away from a site that I didn't name, I was only pointed to it by others... I don't own or run it either, or even post there mind you.
No... I just read news reports and facts from it... FACTS YOU RUN FROM BOY!
(Funny that last part, eh?)
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"You are an ignorant racist. Learn your history." - by PCM2 (4486) on Saturday August 06, @06:46PM (#37010674) Homepage
Funny, like I said: An actual AFRICAN BLACK MAN I was classmates with for my CSC schooling, Mr. Charles Batali, even told me that you sold your own into slavery... are you trying to say you DID NOT?
If so, that is complete bullshit...
(Yes, as usual here? YOU only blame others for your own mess pal, no questions asked after seeing your b.s. here now, running from my points/questions, & even facts from the news on the site posted, & TRIED TO CALL ME RACIST? Again - I've had "racism" in being called a "POLACK" directed my way, my ENTIRE LIFE... I don't direct it to others. I know better!)
However - I will use facts, & clearly ONES YOU RAN FROM & tried to blame others for your own messes!
(Face it - People create their own messes, but only fools blame others for them, period... & there is ALWAYS A WAY OUT/ESCAPE IF YOU TRY HARD ENOUGH!)
APK
P.S.=> Plus, see subject-line: & secondly, Blacks can get a job before a white man will due to reverse discriminatory practices, & also have the SAME OPPORTUNITIES A WHITE MAN DOES IN THE USA, & you're trying to tell me that b.s.? Please... give us a break!
... apk
Actually I think if you want to see our future, look to Libya. They think their F16s will save them? Got news for them, the National Guard got stingers and are made up of guess what? poor folks. They said when the shit hit the fan in Libya military bases were passing out guns like candy, i think the same will happen here only it will be the national Guard doing the handing out. Hell you can build a technical out of any machine shop in the USA, just take the weapon off the tripod, weld some mounts in the back of any Ford or Chevy truck and voila!
You got the militias loading up like WWIII is scheduled for Tuesday, you got soldiers taking oaths against the government. My oldest in pre med openly wonders if he'll get to graduate med school before the bombs start falling. If they think the poor will just go silently into that good night? Boy are they in for a shock.
But you should be a little more specific, it isn't healthcare you want to blame it is BIG PHARMA, who spend a full 80% of their costs on ads and who are making as much as 6000% profit on life saving drugs. that isn't profits that's extortion. My mom was an RN for nearly 40 years and spent more time on the phone trying to get help for the poor than anything else. She even once "lost" a patient for four days just so a terminal man could die in a cool hospital bed rather than on a couch in a 113f trailer with no power. I've known docs that have made drugs go "poof" so some poor person wouldn't go without, a pharmacist that had drugs shipped in from South America, there are a lot of good folks in healthcare and most of them are getting fucked just like everybody else.
But I know what you mean, working my little shop it really wouldn't take much to take me out. One extra bill, one too many client droughts, there but for the grace of God go I.
ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
Notice how wherever there are 1st-generation IMMIGRANTS and NIGGERS, then the death and thief rates are high. Even if you look at the arrest reports wherever thre is a crime done by a white, just consider the fact that the FBI conceals Hispanic crimes (immigrant population) under the demographic as WHITE ( http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/mywesttexas.com/content/tncms/assets/editorial/d/7b/3a0/d7b3a084-c5fd-11df-8a00-001cc4c03286-revisions/4c997f34907f7.preview-300.jpg ). The United States of North America was a place where your defence against being killed and burgled was in your hands depending how you patronized the sporting-goods store or hired a privateer such as the incorporated hoodlums known as the local police bureau. That has not changed, because The United States migrates more 3rd-world scum into America than anyone else because the nature of their currency and defaulted debt crisis is eased by the fact their currency is fabricated from the future interests of the people pledged to pay the debts. Thus, to pay-off the existing debt The United States must migrate more foreigners into America just to collateralize their birth certificates with the Federal Reserve System. Given the fact that 9 of 10 rapes are Black males against White females ( http://i701.photobucket.com/albums/ww15/TempJim2009/DOJ_Homicidedata.jpg or by analysis http://www.library.flawlesslogic.com/rape.htm ), it's not much different in all the other venues. Blacks simply aren't native anywhere outside of East Africa where is evidence of them existing longer than Mediterranean Africa-North where they and Moors had pillaged.
It's either that or get bought-out, like what the China Bank of Reconstruction and the IMF has been doing to Americans all this time, while The United States just sits-back like a mis-managing trustee blaming all the problems on Americans despite being hired and well-payed to fix the problem in a calculated skillful manner that has been over-simulated in countless scholastic scenarios. There is no excuse for how The United States has caused all it's own problems: they are intending to sell-out America and ruin the existing culture of 1492 Americans ever since 1776.
Well well well, APK is both retarded AND racist. What a lovely revelation. Fucking troll. Hay, what's your user name on niggermania.net? Lets commiserate about how the niggers are ruining everything! My hero! Oh, and it was probably a nigger that instituted the change in Windows Vista that disallows using 0 in host files. Sounds about right.
Celebrity worship is a poor substitute for Deity worship and costs more to boot.
It doesn't have to all go batshit sideways. We can salvage it all and come out smelling like a rose, but we have to throw a couple of assholes under the bus to get there. It's not a big thing because they have it coming.
First thing we have to do is fuck the politicians where it hurts them the most and helps us the most. We do the Flat Tax as an Amendment, lock in the tax code across the board as one fair tax, nobody buys a loophole, end of story. We take in probably twice as much money if not more than we do now, and we thin Washington DC of a big motivator of professional politicians who play millions of dollars to get elected to a job that pays peanuts. We save a fortune in processing costs at the IRS and we can let some of those fine people find other respectable jobs.
Then we take back our economy by patching up all the holes in it from EVERY trade policy that burns us the people and lets Wall Street fat cats' bottom lines get better. It's time to say fuck Wall Street and hello main street. We need policies that puts "boots on the ground" here in America's work force. We need to take a big look at the mess we call regulation and give it teeth where it needs it and cut out all of the retarded redtape that strangles business. We can have our environmental cake and eat it too, we are that smart if we give it a chance.
What burns my ass is all the damage done to us by fat cat millionaires who have been bullshitting us all into letting them fuck off in this broken tax code. They have preached "capitalism is God" for so fucking long, you can't even contrive decent public serving programs and services without being a "communist cocksucker". I hate to break it to everyone, but a pinch of socialism goes a long ways. We sure as hell don't want the whole system that way, pure socialism has some serious issues with "carrot on a stick" for it's people. Sure they have free healthcare, jobs, food, homes and live like hippies, but they aren't overly motivated and miss out on some potential from honest competition and the freedom to succeed or fall on your face. I digress...
We may need to do like the rest of the functioning modern industrial world and socialize our medicine from top to bottom. It would be a great idea to do the same with education. The whole system needs an overhaul. We have wonderful technologies and some inspiring education models, but we working education system is broken down, toyed with by idiot politicians bumbling around. It's too damn important to leave for screw ups. Medicine and Education. We need to fund it, and honor it like we do the military. The military is a social program by the strictest of dictionary definitions. We don't call our Military communists do we? It sure as hell isn't a democracy when you are in it.
We don't prize our knowledge here. We are a bunch of fucking retards, we piss all over academics in favor of sports. Sports, in it's present form have no damn place in academia, period. This is what happens when you entrust something this important to people who are suffer from mission creep and get lead off the path by big money and have no accountability. As intelligent creatures, academia should be a serious social hub for us as we should continue our education throughout our lives. This keeps us mentally active and functioning as a productive member of society. Our technology should be bonding us more, instead it seems to be separating us geographically. I digress again.
Anyway, there is going to be some change. It should be intelligent change with all of our common good in mind as Americans. The high end blood suckers with the deep pockets need to go. It's either us or them. This is the big challenge of leadership, to make the big choices, to have the balls to make a stand and stick to it.
Take the Red Pill.
See subject-line above, & you've tried to attack me before also, here, libelling me as well (as you are now, calling me more names... poor tactic, the adhominem attack & illogical too):
http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2025178&cid=35442390
(You're cold busted!)
So, please - your "trollish motivations" are shown for what they are, as well as your character there in that link above...
Yea, I bet you think I didn't have that bookmarked, didn't you? WRONG!
LOL!
There? Hilarious...
* You ran from your outright LIBELLING of myself there, iirc, when I asked if you can prove you yourself are "EXPERT" in that area, of psychiatry too!
You are a troll, and your fav. color? MUST BE "TRANSPARENT"
Again, Fact is, this: I've been called "polack" many times in my life, but I don't act racist to others. I know better about myself, & worked hard to make it so.
(Plus - I judge a man by WHO HE IS & what he shows me. I also have black MEN who are my pals, not the word YOU YOUSELF USED!)
Lastly, I also use facts, & that site I posted? It's backed by news reports... disprove them!
Good luck, you'll NEED it.
APK
P.S.=> I used that as a source I have been pointed to before... if I used CNN or Fox News, would THAT be different? Disprove the news reports they post at that site then, & don't point the finger at me... argue with the source! I don't post there, never have once, but I did read PART of it, gave up after 10 pages or so, because I see that around me where I live in fact (inner urban area)...apk
A black man (an OUTSTANDING one) here? http://broncotalk.net/2009/08/8572/broncos-news/finally-floyd-little-gets-his-shot/
WHAT I POSTED, VERBATIM:
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"Floyd Little was an OUTSTANDING "combined threat" who could run with the best of them (iirc, only O.J. Simpson gained more yards from 1967-1973 for example running the ball), catch with the best of them, and even return kicks (and block great too). What more do people want? A great football player SHOULD be in the "Hall of Fame", & this guy? Was one of the all-time greats (& the rushing charts @ the time of his retirement showed that much)... APK"
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* I judge a man by his deeds/accomplishments, & to the worthy/just, I give credit (he made it into the Hall of Fame iirc, by the by, also).
APK
P.S.=> Answer my question... thank you! apk
Why would I champion a black man (an OUTSTANDING one) here if I was racist -> http://broncotalk.net/2009/08/8572/broncos-news/finally-floyd-little-gets-his-shot/
WHAT I POSTED, VERBATIM:
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"Floyd Little was an OUTSTANDING "combined threat" who could run with the best of them (iirc, only O.J. Simpson gained more yards from 1967-1973 for example running the ball), catch with the best of them, and even return kicks (and block great too). What more do people want? A great football player SHOULD be in the "Hall of Fame", & this guy? Was one of the all-time greats (& the rushing charts @ the time of his retirement showed that much)... APK"
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* I judge a man by his deeds/accomplishments, & to the worthy/just, I give credit (he made it into the Hall of Fame iirc, by the by, also).
APK
P.S.=> Answer my question... thank you! apk
Seriously, when you hear the term "flash mobs" what comes to your mind?
To me, it's a large group of people, flashing. You know, whipping open some trench coats and showing their privates.
So I guess I can understand, why these spontainous performance people are called flash mobs, seeing as they tend to wear trench coats, but instead of flashing some naughty bits, they perform something for us.
Cool, i can live with that.
But how does people using text messages to communicate coordination between different people make it a flash mob?
I'm pretty sure if me and all my friends text each other so we could meet up, we don't call that a flash mob when we all end up at the party/whatever together and pull out our pipes and weed (or whatever).
I'm getting tired of peeps taking terms and trying to invent new usages for them. It's like there isn't enough words, or letters, or combinations of those to make up new sayings for stuff, instead of taking recent new sayings and trying to make them into something else.
Unlimited should mean just that. NOT limited.
Flash Mob should be used when a group of people coordinate an surprise performance somewhere.
am I asking for too much?
Be seeing you...
http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=183054&cid=15128564
REQUOTING MYSELF vs.a real racist named ringbarer here on /. no less (After others used the "N word" here as DocHoncho has here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2367798&cid=37012014 ):
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"Man, listen up please:
I suppose that you can say what you want about black folks in this nation (U.S.A.) because you DO have the right to free speech...
HOWEVER, they are not ALL bad (or, ALL good, just like other races).
There does tend to be a propensity for crime amongst them, there's no doubt of that in their neighborhoods in cities (I live in one that has gone from primarily caucasian to negro in content/population in fact over a decade now & I do see that everyday in fact, there is much to be said about it and it does seem to ring true).
Still, that is not something I understand WHY it happens fully...
What does bother me is 2 things:
1.) They often say we enslaved them (it's true, & shameful, but my family came "off the boat" in the 1950's to the states, so we had NOTHING to do with that), but often times from what I understand?
When black tribes went to war, they often took prisoners from the losing tribe & sold them off to slavers...
I.E. -> They sold their OWN into such a life...
&
2.) Also, the fact that if a white guy & a black guy go after a job, if the white guy scores higher on exams, but the organization/company in question lacks a quota of black dudes/people? The black guy gets the job... that is WRONG!
Nothing's perfect, but those are my 2 bitches about it.
BUT, back on track:
NOW, I imagine, like anyone might, think that they say to themselves "Why work @ Burger King, making $100/week, when I can do XYZ (crime) and make $1,000/week"...
(Most likely, this IS the case - taking the path of least resistance to make a living, most folks do of ANY race imo: Work "smarter", not harder in effect).
BOTTOM-LINE THOUGH:
Black folks in the U.S.A. @ least afaik & see, have had theirs fight for this nation in the armed forces & paid with their blood & lives!
So they have the right to be here as much as anyone.
So lay off the racial shit man!
(Stating that crap just really makes you seem stupider than you say black folks are, which some of them are VERY intelligent & successful!)
APK
P.S.=> See, I've heard the same shit my entire life @ times (racial slurs etc./et all), because of the "Tribe" I am a descendant of, & @ times it bothers me!
So I imagine it would be the same for any black people reading what you wrote... apk" - by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 14 2006, @08:59AM (#15128564)
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Disprove I said that too please... good luck!
It's quite old from me, & my take on "the N word" being said here by others like DocHoncho here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2367798&cid=37011784 !
APK
P.S.=> You're right, & I only tell is how it is, how I have seen it, by actually LIVING in the "inner urban" area, & I judge a man by what he shows me, not his skin color, as I did here championing a black man too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2367798&cid=37012014
... apk
http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=183054&cid=15128564
REQUOTING MYSELF vs.a real racist named ringbarer here on /. no less (After others used the "N word" here as DocHoncho has here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2367798&cid=37011784 ):
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"Man, listen up please:
I suppose that you can say what you want about black folks in this nation (U.S.A.) because you DO have the right to free speech...
HOWEVER, they are not ALL bad (or, ALL good, just like other races).
There does tend to be a propensity for crime amongst them, there's no doubt of that in their neighborhoods in cities (I live in one that has gone from primarily caucasian to negro in content/population in fact over a decade now & I do see that everyday in fact, there is much to be said about it and it does seem to ring true).
Still, that is not something I understand WHY it happens fully...
What does bother me is 2 things:
1.) They often say we enslaved them (it's true, & shameful, but my family came "off the boat" in the 1950's to the states, so we had NOTHING to do with that), but often times from what I understand?
When black tribes went to war, they often took prisoners from the losing tribe & sold them off to slavers...
I.E. -> They sold their OWN into such a life...
&
2.) Also, the fact that if a white guy & a black guy go after a job, if the white guy scores higher on exams, but the organization/company in question lacks a quota of black dudes/people? The black guy gets the job... that is WRONG!
Nothing's perfect, but those are my 2 bitches about it.
BUT, back on track:
NOW, I imagine, like anyone might, think that they say to themselves "Why work @ Burger King, making $100/week, when I can do XYZ (crime) and make $1,000/week"...
(Most likely, this IS the case - taking the path of least resistance to make a living, most folks do of ANY race imo: Work "smarter", not harder in effect).
BOTTOM-LINE THOUGH:
Black folks in the U.S.A. @ least afaik & see, have had theirs fight for this nation in the armed forces & paid with their blood & lives!
So they have the right to be here as much as anyone.
So lay off the racial shit man!
(Stating that crap just really makes you seem stupider than you say black folks are, which some of them are VERY intelligent & successful!)
APK
P.S.=> See, I've heard the same shit my entire life @ times (racial slurs etc./et all), because of the "Tribe" I am a descendant of, & @ times it bothers me!
So I imagine it would be the same for any black people reading what you wrote... apk" - by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 14 2006, @08:59AM (#15128564)
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Disprove I said that too please... good luck!
It's quite old from me, & my take on "the N word" being said here by others like DocHoncho here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2367798&cid=37011784 !
APK
P.S.=> You're right, & I only tell is how it is, how I have seen it, by actually LIVING in the "inner urban" area, & I judge a man by what he shows me, not his skin color, as I did here championing a black man too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2367798&cid=37012014
... apk
Someone else told me that too, & I love dogs (even though I have a kitten now, she's the one that woke me up along with the windows crashing stuff down when he tried it (kitten licked my face to wake me during a nap in fact, she does every a.m. around 5 a.m. in fact, good cat)).
I grew up with pooches, & you're right - they will LAY DOWN THEIR LIVES FOR YOU, gratis, as long as you feed & love them... gotta love dogs!
* I think you posted in the wrong spot though man... you replied to "ObsessiveMathsFreak", not I! No biggie, I got your point, & thank you for reminding me of that... going to "get on it" actually & save some poor good animal's life hopefully!
APK
P.S.=> I've said this here, AND many other times online in diff. forums:
"DOGS ARE BETTER PEOPLE THAN PEOPLE!"
(And, unfortunately for us humans? I meant it...)
... apk
This individual is acting this way because he / she is an ignorant, uneducated dumbass...not because of his/her Race. Keep that in mind as you evict the retarded m'fer.
Cap'n Chris
Hence why in my past I have defended & championed GOOD blacks & chastised others for reprehensible racist behavior on this very site no less (polish here, heard "stupid polack" many times in my life but I know better about myself):
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2367798&cid=37012118
and
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2367798&cid=37012094
APK
P.S.=>
"This individual is acting this way because he / she is an ignorant, uneducated dumbass...not because of his/her Race. Keep that in mind as you evict the retarded m'fer." - by capn_mc_escher (1016966) on Sunday August 07, @12:29AM (#37012222) Homepage
No doubt, & so much so, that while I was on the phone with the 911 system which gets recorded & afaik IS ADMISSIBLE IN COURT because the police make the recordings they threatened my LIFE & PROPERTIES!
I mean, right then while I called 911 in my doorway (& while the neighbors did also I found out)?
They:
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1.) Threatened my LIFE
2.) Threatened my properties with destruction
3.) & have wrecked them AFTER even... & what they've done to the property itself (destroyed much inside, set fires, attempted robberies/trespass police reports & more too not only of myself, but my neighbors also)...
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This I suspect, per my attorney, is going to result in a criminal mischief felony for they in fact I wager, per my attorney & FAR more such as child abuse, lack of supervision, & possibly welfare fraud too (this I am having looked into now)...
... apk
He's just like PCM2 who was EXACTLY what I suspected: A suburbanite trying to tell me "HOW IT IS" when he himself doesn't even live (& I suspect hasn't lived) in an inner urban environs as I have most of my days on this planet... he hasn't SEEN the "uglies" of it (there's GOOD too, but the ugly is incredible). He's simply ignorant. In a way, I feel great for they, being "out of it", but then again, being ignorant of it, & talking out of their behinds? Worst thing a person can DO is speak from lack of experience - because they're EXACTLY who gets victimized & robbed I have found... in most anything imo!
"No teh math freak was giving us the classic liberal "Its teh system keeping teh black man down!" bullshit and I wanted to let him know it was indeed bullshit." - by hairyfeet (841228) on Sunday August 07, @02:19AM (#37012520)
Far from it, & same with "white trash" too. Put it this way: I know for a fact even a felon can do well in society if they reform themselves, get educated, get work, save & try hard. It's bullshit when I hear "the system is keeping me down" - fine, then DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, because bitching doesn't solve a damn thing 9/10 times... but, efforts usually do!
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"i know plenty of good black folks that got the fuck away from the ghettos, busted their asses in school, got a decent education, started businesses or worked their way up, same as everybody else." - by hairyfeet (841228) on Sunday August 07, @02:19AM (#37012520)
Exactly, as do I... & when an (insert skin color here) does great things? I admire & respect them (as I have shown here in fact) + even SUPPORT THEM for it.
The power of "great people" is inspiring others, not just their good-great deeds/accomplishments - in fact, I think that's their GREATEST ACCOMPLISHMENT, inspiring the rest of us to be better men/women, because we all have potentials for it, even in little things (the biggest things of all imo).
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"the "Its teh system!" white guilt bullshit hurts the blacks as much as the whites as it just gives excuses to the "thug life"ers." - by hairyfeet (841228) on Sunday August 07, @02:19AM (#37012520)
You sound like you've had some BAD experiences with blacks... the stuff going on here? Not a first in the property in question either - another young black did the same years ago & got shot at a few times for it & ran (he was caught by policemen after trying it a second time (when he was shot at in fact)). He was hitting every house on this block & my brother wanted to do some things ontop of that!
(I stopped him though - he's a great man whom I respect & yes, love, but also FEAR... he's literally HUGE (think Capt. America from the film, same build) & VERY dangerous (martial artist, military combat & weapons, you-name-it), & the military has made him so as well as a bronze-star decorated Officer & a Gentleman - trust me: NOBODY to "mess with"... & his best pals in highschool? Blacks - he is an EXPERT on them, from the inside, & knows what they respect/fear, as do I... but the law ties your hands. I won't let a great man throw his life out for trash in other words... no way!)).
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""Oh its not the fact i'm slinging dope while carrying a 9mm with tats all over myself, nope its teh man keepin teh black man down!" horseshit." - by hairyfeet (841228) on Sunday August 07, @02:19AM (#37012520)
OH, trust me: I live around it (only a few blocks off) & see it daily... I hear sirens every few minutes, & gunshots go off like MAD around here, especially @ night. It's that way, but, I *think* enough people are starting to do what I am doing to get rid of it, piece-by-piece where they can & cleaning up the neighborhood's homes too (many are improving their "lots in life" is what I am seeing, especially the oriental folks around here (they're amazin
Perhaps intentionally I suspect, but... He's right about economic imbalance though, I have to give he that... but, he doesn't mention it IS A FIGHT for resources, & though he also alludes to the fact (or not) that some use "nefarious unfair means" to achieve their goals of wealth? Others do not & go slower/steady about it.
I mean, for example (from another system changing forms of energy as monies change hands) - Nature even works on equilibrium in energy patterns on the planet to maintain harmony - this is NOT in place & I think banks are largely to blame as well as the corporatocracy (after all, Amschel Rothchild, ancestor to one of the FED's founders no less (the FED itself's NOT federal, or even really legal (no full house/senate (congress) EVER approved it for starters) said:
"Give me control of a nation's money supply & I care not who makes it's laws"
This I DO place blame on both our corporate leaders & governmental leaders for though (as well as all of us, most folks are just beginnning to "wake up" to the fact that economically the USA is in trouble). After all - they ARE the controllers & rules makers + "referees". They are NOT doing their jobs & the results show now (US lost its Triple/AAA credit rating for example 2 days ago).
Yes - Everything comes from the top & at home (where we are initially shaped in the 1st 2-4 yrs. of our lives).
From what I have seen now over a lifetime? Since the early 1990's, MANY of our leaders are truly "the best money can REALLY buy" many times (think corporate lobbyists & bribes to dirty politicians), & use the "revolving door" to get into political power, change laws to profit by them, & back to corporate world again (once they rig things)... think Darth Cheney as the PRIME example thereof.
BUT THAT IS SYSTEMS, NOT INDIVIDUALS, & THERE IS ALWAYS A WAY TO BETTER YOUR LIFE... may take time, I've been there & done it largely via education & work experience... so, trying to blame others for "the systems' keeping me down" is BULLSHIT!
* That I agree with you on, by all means, when it comes to the individual.
(Personally, I *think* we're on the verge of a GREAT CHANGE in world society, & very soon... mark my words on this in fact!)
APK
P.S.=> Still, that doesn't mean one cannot fight or work his way out of a ghetto &/or being a scumbag product.
Everyone is entitled to make a mistake now & then, but, trick is CAN YOU PULL YOURSELF UP BY YOUR SHOESTRINGS & CHANGE IT?
Change, good change, starts with the individual, & nobody's going to tell me it cannot be done (I am sure most of you have had some adversity in your lives & turned it around - I absolutely KNOW I have, & IF I CAN DO IT? So can anyone else!))...
... apk
As per usual for most of what you've said here, hairyfeet. Had a long discussion with a guy @ the store about all of this as well, & he's DEEP IN THE HEART of the "Ghetto" around here not too far from I... he amazed me @ how much HE KNEW, & he told me "You know, I never was into this stuff, but lately because it's harming me, I have to be..."
I really DO have to agree with he on imbalance of power, real power, which IS money in the world economic system we have... it never EVER ends up being righteous. Not really.
(This is how it starts - awareness!)
* Sometimes, it means "chopping out the cancer" @ its roots, which is what I am about here, & also trying to determine its causation as well (secondary though on this latter note).
APK
P.S.=> If the folks @ the top would fix the economy (i.e. spending on stupid wars, actually being qualified for DOING their jobs (which is solving problems, which politicians are not trained for mind you, only "the art of compromise" which means nobody wins or is happy), & OUTSOURCING JOBS (which cripples the economy by removing spenders/consumers, which in turn wrecks companies (& the "international market"'s NOT doing it either))? Then, MOST of what we've been bitching about here, would most likely HOPEFULLY, stop... because nobody I have EVER met in the street or otherwise, wants to really be a drug-dealer or bank robber, etc. (then again, I don't like talking "absolutes" either - because prisons nowadays are LARGELY PRIVATIZED & a big money industry, so it PAYS THEIR STOCKHOLDERS TO HAVE THE IN-OUT REVOLVING DOOR SYSTEM IN PLACE WITH RECIDIVISTIC CRIMINALS as well as a "law-enforcement system + judicial process" that fosters it))... no, things are a LOT more "f'd up" from the "top" (& that's NOT politicians people) than most folks care to realize - personally, I think the biggest criminals in HISTORY are out there "running the show now" & showing that they're NOT VERY GOOD @ IT, not for the masses @ least (but then, they never were in it for that... to they? There are NO FLAGS!))...
... apk
First, a disclaimer: I don't know the correct terms since English is not my mother tongue, but bear with me for a moment. :P
This is quite a deviation from gang violence. Those are characterized by value cohesion (even if they are counter-cultural values), and a strict hierarchy and police within the group.
I also read a study from François Dubet, and these acts are somewhat like the "incivilités" of France, in which violence is directed against anything that represents the state, like parks or stuff like that.
I find the best equivalent to be the "barderos" from Argentina. These are groups that are non-cohesive and amoral, in the sense that legal and illegal acts are performed and legitimated. Interestingly, while robbery and violence are accepted, drugs are not, because the need for higher organization and control goes backwards to the way these groups operate. There isn't a sense of belonging, just an instrumental need for a group, and they see it as a way to preserve social ties with a neighborhood that has forsaken them, not as a way to get revenge.
These groups originate mainly because of (a) social/economic exclusion and (b) income distribution inequality. You don't want to leave this problem unattended for more than 10 years, because then the parents' values don't pass onto their children. Implementing a curfew is as useful as praying. They must provide work and education/training for the teenagers and their parents. If they can't get a decent job (of the kind that provides true social mobility), then this problem perpetuates itself, as they only get access to low-income, high-risk, precarious jobs. Also, they must narrow the gap between rich and poor people (there is a higher correlation between income distribution inequality and violence than between unemployment and violence). Just remove the tax breaks for the rich and watch the country flourish.
I rarely respond to comments. Also, don't ask for clarifications: a brain and Google are faster, believe me!
See subject-line, & you're dead up right on all accounts noted, no questions asked - the worst part is, it feels like dirt I can't "wash off"... this entire experience. It really bugged me some they would stoop to destroying a bunch of helpless plants though in the garden. Plants don't do anything wrong, & they don't fight back... Ordinarily, I would, but I cannot (this bothers me the MOST actually).
In any event, I am going to have the legal system try to do its best & I am pressing every matter I noted (criminal mischief felony charges, possible welfare fraud, & utter removal of the thieves & pyros as well as "thug4life" type mentality I saw revealed finally (did a good job of hiding it on their end for a month though, but it finally revealed itself)).
That link I posted that has actual news reports & police reports about the type you speak of, that was pointed out to me - Well, if you read it, from the sounds of what your thoughts are on this subject??
I wouldn't recommend reading it. You'll be even more upset.
I am honestly trying NOT to be, but pretty much all of what you've noted has gone on here and it bends me up to hell, really, Really, REALLY BADLY. I try not to let it though, because then, they win.
You get it?
Anyhow, unless those 2 fools DocHonco & PCM2 post again, I am taking a break from this one. It's gotten me even worse worked up over this situation. 8 days from now, it's hopefully going to be all over though, thank the merciful Lord, hopefully.
APK
P.S.=> Thanks for understanding & the advisement on your part also - I only now, finally & fully, understand where you are coming from, albeit "the hard way"! Sucks, it really does... Yea, I didn't like "the lesson" of it (my neighbor told me "You're going to get an education man, and not one you'll like!"... boy, was HE RIGHT!)
... apk