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USPS Losing Battle Against the E-mail Age

An anonymous reader writes "An article in the NY Times explains how the United States Postal Service is in dire financial straits, and will need emergency action from Congress to forestall a shutdown later this year. Postmaster General Patrick Donahoe said simply, 'If Congress doesn't act, we will default.' Labor agreements prohibiting layoffs are preventing one avenue for reducing costs, and laws forbidding postage rates from surpassing inflation rates keep income down. On top of that, the proliferation of e-mail and online bill-paying services have contributed to a 22% reduction in snail-mail volume since 2006. They're currently hoping for legislation that would relax their economic requirements and considering an end to Saturday delivery."

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  1. Do your part! Snail-mail your comments! by Lieutenant_Dan · · Score: 5, Funny

    All /. posters should commit to mail their comments for one week to make up the difference.

    Soulskill will provide the mailing address shortly. To verify your identity, you will have to mail your username/password, and our army of volunteers will use a special login form to verify your identity.
    This system is so brilliant, I may even patent it.

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  2. Battle? by Mensa+Babe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For at least 15 years I've been hearing that various postal services all over the world are "losing battle against e-mail age" while in fact that scary "e-mail age" (or Internet age, as I would call it) should be the best thing they should hope could possible happen. Never before in human history we were buying so many goods from remote locations all over the world to be delivered by ... postal services! And now they want an end to Saturday delivery? They should start Sunday delivery. They missed the opportunity to start the biggest online payment system in the world so they should at least focus on being the best at delivering good bought on the Internet, not being worse still.

    The "proliferation of e-mail and online bill-paying services" should have been started by USPS because they already had the infrastructure to do that and the client base. If back in the nineties everyone paying bills at USPS were told that they could do the same faster, cheaper and more conveniently at USPSpal.com then people would do that. The problem is not that the world is not friendly to postal services but that they don't want to change. They missed the train and now they want our help to survive. This has never worked in the long term before.

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    1. Re:Battle? by itsdapead · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Never before in human history we were buying so many goods from remote locations all over the world to be delivered by ... postal services!

      Except that the nationalized postal services face a lot of competition from private courier firms who aren't hamstrung with government requirements to provide a universal service and can cherry-pick the best routes.

      That's certainly the situation in the UK: the postal service is obliged to charge a ridiculously low price for the basic first-class letter, and to deliver & collect them from right out in the sticks, but has long since lost ts monopoly on postal deliveries, so faces lots of competition for lucrative business deliveries around major cities. They mainly survive by delivering vast quantities of junk mail.

      If you want a universal postal service you have two choices: give 'em a monopoly to make up for the universal service requirement, or just accept that they won't be profitable and that you are going to have to put money in and get a service out. Then tackle the remaining problems with inertia and unions head on, instead of messing about with ideology-based pseudo-free-market kludges in the vain hope that the invisible hand will make it all better.

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    2. Re:Battle? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      FedEx and UPS seem to have pretty much fully automated the processing and routing of parcels pretty much end-to-end.

    3. Re:Battle? by Kjella · · Score: 2

      Ups and downs of being a regulated business, if you are then generally you don't get to do everything else because of illegal cross-subsidies. You'd have to get a change of mandate and long before that was over they'd be too late to the party. As for packages, there's competition on those as far as I know (FedEx, UPC being a few) so the most profitable areas are served by the lowest bidder, they can't just roll out everywhere without considering cost..

      Personally, yes I do buy quite a few things online and I'm picking up a package today. But I also remember the world before e-mail and various other e-forms and e-services you get now. There were a *lot* of letters going, paperwork here and there. More and more are now offering me electronic bills, I would say 95% of what I get in my physical mailbox today is advertising. Particularly since packages don't fit. It's getting to that level that I'd be happy to not have mail delivery at all, getting any useful letters is so rare I could pick them up at the post office, like the parcels.

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    4. Re:Battle? by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There is the US Paradox, which has always plagued the US. High Population Low Population Density. This makes any infrastructure policy in the United States very expensive and difficult to implement.

      Other countries have higher density that makes serving a large percentage easy and that gains outweighs those few outlying people.
      Countries with Low Density and Low population is still easier just because there isn't so many end points that you need to go to. And a lower population is easier to come to an agreement if they want it or not, and if they are willing to pay extra taxes or not.

      The US in terms of geography is the 3rd/4th largest country (Roughly the same size a China), Covering almost every geographical condition. Rain Forests, Desserts, Mountains....

      USPS is probably crossing or have crossed the sustainable line of demand needed to keep USPS going.

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    5. Re:Battle? by halowolf · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well the USPS should come to Australia and see what Australia Post is doing. They saw the writing on the wall, and took steps to adapt to the internet age and keep themselves relevant by doing all they can to get themselves into the delivery chain for the influx of packages being sent to compensate for the decline in letters et all. Plus they offer so many services (government and private) to get people into their stores.

      The only real problem is that this can lead to a little more junk mail as businesses pay Australia Post to deliver their junk instead of private contractors.

    6. Re:Battle? by sarhjinian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you want a universal postal service you have two choices: give 'em a monopoly to make up for the universal service requirement, or just accept that they won't be profitable and that you are going to have to put money in and get a service out.

      This is a good point. It also explains why health care, tax gathering and education---especially, but not solely, in the United States---are similarly expensive clusterfucks.

      Either fund and administrate them adequately, or don't bother at all. Half-assing it for ideological and/or penny-pinching reasons results in the worst of both worlds.

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    7. Re:Battle? by sarhjinian · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This would be the case were Canada's postal service not working reasonably well, despite Canada being as problematic in terms of population distribution.

      The difference is that the Canadian postal service is allowed to run more or less autonomously, whereas the USPS is subject to constant congressional meddling. It's the American paradox: decry government involvement and authority in general, but allow four or five hundred cooks in the kitchen at all times.

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    8. Re:Battle? by AnonGCB · · Score: 2

      Not going to address the free market bashing because that would end unproductively, but you should be aware that, at least in the USA, due to Lysander Spooner kicking the USPS' ass, they technically have a monopoly on delivering mail, and UPS, fedex etc only get by by paying USPS a rather large fee, and classify their services are specialty delivery services.

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    9. Re:Battle? by Dog-Cow · · Score: 2

      The Australian Post sometimes delivers private contractors instead of junk?

      Where do I sign up?

    10. Re:Battle? by The+Second+Horseman · · Score: 2

      Small-government in the US these days means privatizing the profit, but socializing the cost and risk.

    11. Re:Battle? by nschubach · · Score: 3, Informative

      Put a 3x5 note card on your mailbox door that says "No Advo please". I put a note on my box stating something along the lines of "No Current Resident mail or mail not addressed to ____ please" and the mail person replaced it with a "No Advo" symbol (like the No Smoking signs, but with Advo crossed off.)

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    12. Re:Battle? by sarhjinian · · Score: 2

      Then those people should be pushing for a downsizing of Congress and the Senate, not the administrative parts of government that actually get work done.

      As it stands right now, you're electing people on the idea that they won't meddle or pander to local interests, except that, when push comes to shove, people want their representatives to meddle when it's something they feel is valuable. This gets you the worst of all worlds: representatives who are too quick to gut programs that are holistically good, but ensure their own local pork. It also gets you systems that are compromised by design.

      Recall the famous picture of the Tea Partier holding up a "Keep your government hands off my Medicare" sign.

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    13. Re:Battle? by hedwards · · Score: 2

      I'd mod you up if I hadn't already posted. The budge problems could easily be fixed if the USPS would do what USPS and Fed Ex do in terms of charging something that reflects the amount of service provided. As it stands I could go on vacation in Hawaii and mail a first class envelope to Maine for the same cost as what I pay right now to mail that same envelope across town.

      And it gets even worse in cases where the USPS has to deliver the mail by helicopter or by horse because somebody chose to live in a place that can't receive mail by the normal means. Meaning that one delivery by horse or helicopter can easily wipe out the proceeds from thousands of other letters.

    14. Re:Battle? by repetty · · Score: 2

      The problem is, letters are easy and cheap to deliver.

      You must have grown up in a family of postal carriers.

      Transporting tangible, physical objects hundreds or thousands of miles away is not cheap. Well, maybe compared to 50- or 100-years ago it's less expensive.

      This problem is a GOOD THING.

    15. Re:Battle? by Mongoose+Disciple · · Score: 2

      you can mail to any address on FedEx (or UPS) that you can with USPS

      You can, but in a large amount (square mile-wise, not necessarily percentage of parcel wise) of the country, FedEx or UPS will hand the parcel over to the local USPS for final delivery.

      Honestly, love or hate the USPS, anyone who's spent a year working for FedEx or UPS can tell you that neither is even remotely close to being realistically set up to replace it, much less profitably.

    16. Re:Battle? by HiThere · · Score: 3, Interesting

      But the USPS is constitutionally mandated. It'll be interesting to see how they deal with that. My expectation is that they'll ignore it, and let the system collapse, but I'd only give that about a 60% probability, perhaps slightly lower.

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    17. Re:Battle? by spire3661 · · Score: 2

      A US mailman would laugh merrily as he continued to stuff your box full of shit you didnt ask for. I begged my mailman to stop putting shit not purely addressed to me in my mailbox. He quite plainly said that they will not comply in any way and that its this junk mail that feeds his family. And they wonder why people dont leave them nice cards and money at Christmas anymore...

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    18. Re:Battle? by ArsonSmith · · Score: 2

      Funny, big government in the US these days means the same thing.

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  3. weekly by Blymie · · Score: 2

    Weekly delivery of bills, junk mail, offers etc is enough. Lay off 60% of the delivery workforce, the other 20% will be needed for daily "express" deliveries.

    Alternatively, deliver 3 days a week. Does anyone really need mail delivery daily?

    1. Re:weekly by demonlapin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The mail still needs to be moved and processed six (seven?) days a week. Cutting home delivery frequency would save money, but probably a lot less than you think.

    2. Re:weekly by bberens · · Score: 2

      Fuel and trucks are a huge cost, they're just not considered a cost that can "go away" in the sense that labor costs can go away if you lay people off. Decreasing the truck wear/tear and fuel costs by 50% or so would be a massive savings.

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  4. not sure it's the email age specifically by Trepidity · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The USPS is losing a long, drown-out battle against the impossibility that it's supposed to be both an unsubsidized "private-sector" corporation that's "run like a business", but also is micromanaged by Congress and not permitted to make sane business decisions. They are required to deliver six days a week; have exact stamp prices down to the penny for many services mandated by Congress; are required to provide certain extra-subsidized services, e.g. cheap shipping at "media mail" rates; are not permitted to levy surcharges for delivery to expensive locations (e.g. remote areas); and they even have their pension plan micromanaged by Congress, which is one of the current cash-flow pressures (Congress changed how the pension accounting has to work).

    Basically Congress needs to decide if the USPS is going to be a government-mandated service that delivers flat-rate mail to every corner of the country six days a week, and subsidize it accordingly, or if it's going to be a private-sector business that will neither be subsidized nor micromanaged.

    1. Re:not sure it's the email age specifically by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Just wait 'till Obamacare kicks in. I'm sure everything will work out great.

      Currently, the US is spending almost twice the amount on health than Japan and Norway with good, universal health care systems - as part of the GDP. That's despite a good part of the population in the US not being covered. The current way of running health services in the US is not working.

    2. Re:not sure it's the email age specifically by jpapon · · Score: 2

      Because the healthcare bill didn't have a robust public option, the positive feedback spiral of insurance, healthcare chains, big pharmy can rocket up.

      You can't really blame Obama for the lack of a robust public option... he tried for it, but Republicans blocked it. Perhaps he compromised too readily, but at least Obamacare mandates coverage. That's a step in the right direction... the real problem is that they didn't put in provisions to strictly control costs...

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    3. Re:not sure it's the email age specifically by Viewsonic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, it is working quite well. Tens of thousands of children with various types of cancer who were previously denied any coverage have been fully covered and begun treatments. You cannot put a price on that figure. Ever. Monetary concerns must never be brought up in the same sentence as health care. Health care comes first, finding out where the money comes from is secondary. If taxes need to double, triple, then so be it. We need to put peoples health above all else.

    4. Re:not sure it's the email age specifically by DavidTC · · Score: 2

      Where the fuck is the "comprehensive jobs plan" Obama's been talking about

      You mean the 2009 stimulus, which the Republicans threatened to fillibuster unless most of the jobs stuff was removed? (Although there's still enough jobs stuff in there that's it's still creating jobs.)

      Or the 'jobs through infrastructure' plan in 2010, which the Republicans rejected?

      But, um, if you're talking about his current jobs plan....try watching TV two days from now?

      I agree with you about Obama's idiotic health care stuff. He 'pre-compromised' away 90% of the ground. He should have started with proposing to nationalize the entire medical industry, and compromised to single payer, or, if worse came to worse, a public option.

      Instead, he not only started with crap, and ended up with even bigger crap, he let them rig it where it wouldn't start for years.

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  5. Actually, it's being killed on purpose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    To what purpose, I don't know, but making them fund pensions and expenses in a way never budgeted and that no other Government Sponsored/Sourced/Seeded Corporation has to, it is designed to fail.

    Anyone know why, other than to break the unions and piss away the pension money?

  6. duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And this is a surprise?

    Lets see:
    Can't raise the price of stamps faster than inflation regardless of actual cost to deliver.
    Can't layoff employees
    Can't reduce the delivery days
    Must deliver to everyone

    How many people see a positive outcome for this 'business'.

    1. Re:duh by vlm · · Score: 3, Informative

      Unsolicited stuff and junk mail? Why should the government pay for something to be hauled to my home, which will land in a recycle bin, which the government will pay to pick up at my home.

      My wife, the retired postmasters daughter, has explained, and I have verified, that the most profitable segment of delivery is junkmail due to intense automation, and frankly, zero insurance claims (who really cares?). The next most profitable market segment was magazines. Commercial bills break even, more or less. Finally they lose money, big time, for each handwritten envelope. He retired in the 80s, supposedly not too much has changed since then.

      To be honest, the simplest and least painful way to balance the books for the USPO would be to make the sale of greeting cards and postcards illegal. So few handwritten/homemade ones would be created and sent that it wouldn't matter.

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    2. Re:duh by hrvatska · · Score: 3, Informative

      You missed can't fund its pension plan at the same lower level as its private competitors.

  7. I pity the USPS by Gideon+Wells · · Score: 2

    From everything I have seen over the years they are between a rock and a hard place. They either need to be set free to be a private corporation or be yanked back in to be a complete government service. Both political parties over the years have successfully pushed the USPA into a situation where it has the worst traits of a government organization and a private corporation.

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  8. A postal service is simply too important. by serviscope_minor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A postal service is simply too important not to have, just like the roads. It is necessary for the smooth running of a country to be able to reliably move physical goods from one point to another in a moderately expedient and cheap fashion. It is so important that the very basic service should be run by the government.

    Has the US government done anything to actively sabotage the USPS?

    I know that in the UK, the Royal Mail has been sabotaged to the point of being unable to opeate profitably. The Royal Mail has been forced to outsource the only profitable part of mail, which is the bit where you take letters and charge people for the privelige. As a result, there are suite a number of companies who rake in vast amounts of money doing the easy bit. The hard bit is the sorting and delivering which the Royal Mail still has to do and is legally not allowed to charge very much for. In a sane world, the latter part would be funded by the former part. But the government has managed to separate the two so that the Royal Mail simply cannot turn a profit so that it can then be sold off. In general, though mail in the UK is still a profitable venture and the Royal Mail would run itself comfortably if the world was half way sane.

    Has the US government done something similar?

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    1. Re:A postal service is simply too important. by vlm · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Has the US government done anything to actively sabotage the USPS?

      Yes. Not every dollar of lobbying spent by UPS / DHL / fedex has been wasted.

      From the fine article

      "laws forbidding postage rates from surpassing inflation rates keep income down."

      The inflation figures are fabricated by the govt to be unrealistically low, because so many outlays depend on it being low, in addition to incumbent reelection campaigns. Realistic inflation figures would mean realistic COLA increases for SS and frankly almost all other salary expenditures. However bad our deficit situation is now, being realistic about inflation would make it even worse. Therefore the numbers are doctored up until we can sorta afford the result. (Same thing with unemployment stats)

      On top of that, the proliferation of e-mail and online bill-paying services have contributed to a 22% reduction in snail-mail volume since 2006.

      Everyone I know either got email in the 90s, or frankly never will get email. For me it was '90, at least for a globally accessible internet address, if you're counting BBS / compuserve I guess I go back to '83. For my elderly mother in law it was 99. Everyone else in between. Other than children coming of age, I have never even heard of someone in my circle of friends / family / coworkers getting email after '99. It would be like blaming myspace for a sudden drop of TV viewership in 2011. Something that did start around the latter half of the 00s was the global economic second great depression, which is still going on. I would say economic local maximum peak year was probably about '07 and we've been in decline since then. That Might have a little to do with it. Abandoned homes don't get much mail. Unemployed people don't order many packages from Amazon (who mostly deliver with UPS around here, anyway). Business that close don't send bills or get payments. There are multiple "dead malls" in my area where seemingly permanently empty storefronts will never tx or rx mail. Ditto semi-abandoned industrial parks, etc.

      Outside the article, think about it. UPS doesn't deliver on Saturdays, unless you pay some crazy rate, assuming they still offer that service. Does anyone care? Anyone? I'm told that UPS doesn't even attempt to deliver every day, in some rural areas. Like the driver gets the "north route" on even days and the "south route" on odd days and that's just how it goes. Does anyone really care? If my mailbox never got anything on Saturday, and twice the junk every other day, I really wouldn't care. Much like when they switched to "alternate week recyclable pickup", I gave a big "meh".

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    2. Re:A postal service is simply too important. by SlippyToad · · Score: 2

      Has the US government done anything to actively sabotage the USPS?

      I'd say Reaganite morons have done a lot to actively sabotage our postal service, because despite the fact that its existence is enumerated right the fuck there in the Constitution, it represents a huge item that they can sell off to their campaign contributors. And most of the 'troubles' with the postal service did start to erupt in the 1980's, when Reganism and the "privatize everything" mentality were running wild in our government -- which hasn't abated a bit since then.

      So yes, sabotage is ongoing and constant. The idea that we are guaranteed a method of communicating and moving goods throughout the nation is simply too crazy for them to tolerate -- they'd rather leave that important function up to "private industries" who just as often will lose your package, decide to drop service to your market for no reason in particular, and in all other ways take a valuable public service and fuck it up so they can make as much money as possible.

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    3. Re:A postal service is simply too important. by GodInHell · · Score: 2

      So, the USPS doesn't have enough mail volume to keep things going, but they're not allowed to get rid of excess people on the payroll that aren't needed. This isn't the only issue but it is a huge one and a great example of stupid management agreeing to equally stupid demands by the labor unions.

      To be clear, the USPS management is looking to lay off 120,000 employees this month. That's so it can make its pension pre-funding requirement (added in 2006 under Bush) -- to the tune of $5.5B. That happens to be about the size of the shortfall. This is an old fight between the management of USPS and the labor force of the USPS -- management wants to break the union (big surprise), wants to cut healthcare benefits and drastically reduce or eliminate pensions. This crisis has more to do with politics than numbers -- take out the prefunding requirement and the USPS is not only stable, it's cash positive.

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  9. Re:Do your part! Snail-mail your comments! by xaxa · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I joined Postcrossing last month. I liked the idea of sending random people postcards, and in return receiving cards from other random people.

    I send cards to a child in Finland, a girl in Germany, a student in Taiwan, a recent-graduate lawyer in the Netherlands and a woman in Siberia. So far, only the first two have received my cards, and I've not received one in return yet -- but it's only been two or three days. (I live in the UK, so it's no surprise that the cards to Finland and Germany arrived quickly.)

    I like travelling and meeting people from other countries, so hopefully I'll like reading the cards I receive too.

  10. an engineered crisis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Strange that /. is missing the real crux of the problem; a bad 2006 law:

    >In 2006, Congress passed a law requiring the Postal Service to wholly pre-fund its retirement health package – that is, cover the health care costs of future retirees, in advance, at 100%.

    most organizations are allowed to fund retirement and pension funds in a graduated manner that provides funding at the time of need rather than decades in advance. Its almost like this crisis has been engineered...

    Source:
    http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/08/18/is-benefits-law-dragging-down-the-postal-service/

    1. Re:an engineered crisis by Chowderbags · · Score: 4, Informative

      This really is the single largest problem that the USPS has. They basically have to pre-fund 75 years of retirement benefits and they were only given 10 years to do it. There is no other business or government agency that has to do anything even remotely similar to that and without that their financial situation would be impeccable.

    2. Re:an engineered crisis by ZombieBraintrust · · Score: 2

      The law assumes that the postal service is going to go bankrupt and be closed down. It makes perfect sense that they fully fund the pensions under those expectations. Congress doesn't want to advert the postal services collapse. The collapse is the solution in their eyes.

    3. Re:an engineered crisis by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      I was going to point out the same thing ... that their massive retirement health package was a huge boat-anchor weighing down the ability of the USPS to function profitably. Still, I'm not sure that even without that, they'd be successful at this point?

      If you look at the numbers, they would be.

      The problem I have with the whole thing is the same issue I've had with the USPS for decades. It doesn't seem like there's any good reason to keep them around, vs. allowing existing package delivery services to deliver the rest of the mail as well?

      You sound like a Teabagger. Fedex and UPS have profit motives and charge extra fees for rural and/or home delivery. Go read the Constitution and try to understand why the Founding Fathers put the USPS in there.

      For starters, the entire concept of a "mailbox" regulated by federal govt. laws and restrictions is rather ridiculous in this day and age. I can go out to the local Home Depot and buy myself a new mailbox right now, but immediately, I'm subject to a number of rules and regulations when I go to put the thing up in my front yard. It must be no more or less than a specific height, no more or less than a certain distance from the curb, must have my house numbers placed on it following certain rules, etc. And then, it's still considered "government controlled property" despite the fact I *bought* it myself and put it on *my* own land. It's illegal for a passer-by to open it and place any form of advertising inside. (Why?! Only plausible reason they'd care is to protect their monopoly status on delivery of such items!)

      Again, you sound like a Teabagger. Those rules and regulations are there for a good reason, so the postman can drive by and put the mail in the box without having to get out of his truck.

      Do you complain about rules requiring certain standards for house numbers, or rules requiring those house numbers to be painted on the curb so that the Fire Department can find your house when it's on fire? Or do you think fire protection should be privatized too?

      As for not allowing passers-by to open it, do you really want people coming and stealing your mail? The rule is probably there because any items in the box are supposed to be MAIL, either incoming or outgoing. Not all mailboxes have flags (mine doesn't; it's on the side of my house next to the front door). If it wasn't put there by the Postman, he'll have to waste time looking at it to see it's another stupid flyer by the local landscaping businesses, making his route take twice as long. If you want to give people flyers, put them in their newspaper box or on their front door.

      If the UPS or FedEx or DHL truck is driving down my street practically every day anyway to drop off or pick up a box, it'd be more fuel efficient for them to deliver the rest of my mail while they're at it -- vs. the USPS running another truck to do the same thing.

      The UPS man can't carry all the packages for the entire street in his arms, plus all the mail too. Where I live (in a subdivision), the mail carrier does not drive to every house, he stops at the end of the street and walks to every house with all the mail for that street. It'd take far longer to drive, as the mailboxes are on the front of the houses, not near the curb.

      The simple fact is that the USPS and Fedex/UPS are optimized for totally different types of delivery. The USPS is optimized for small pieces of mail (letters and junkmail) which don't have to get there at any particular time, and usually aren't tracked at all. Fedex/UPS is optimized for higher-value shipments that go to far fewer destinations (not everyone on the street gets a package or urgent letter every day, but everyone gets junk mail and bills every day). You can't just merge the two together easily.

  11. Re:Yep. Pretty standard. by maxume · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Fedex doesn't have a legal mandate to provide service to most addresses 6 days of the week. The comparison isn't particularly useful.

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  12. Re:Do your part! Snail-mail your comments! by ByOhTek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem is (and why I am starting to use epay rather than check+snail mail)... The USPS loses too much stuff

    In the four years since I've moved into my current residence, they've lost one mortgage check (eff that, from now on I drop the damn thing off in person), and one electric bill.

    That may not seem like a lot, but it is enough for me.

    Translation: they aren't losing my service because of competition, rather their own inability to reliably provide their offered service.

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  13. It's true by dj245 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The USPS doesn't want to change, or can't. They are an supertanker with 2 steering wheels- the USPS leadership on one and congress on the other. They already do USPS money orders, why not make them electronic? They feed letters into automatic sorting machines at various points along the delivery route, why can't they have a scannable barcode with tracking information on each piece of first class mail?

    One point that I would make is that a first class envelope usually carries a lot more weight than an email. Somebody has to open it up, and read it, and then physically put it in the garbage, or write back. E-mails to companies too often disappear into an abyss or are replied to with a generic form letter. Companies lately have been burying their e-mail addresses too behind e-mail forms, support forums, etc. Their postal address is usually wide open. Sometimes e-mail support is offshore to India or who-knows-where, but will they really forward my postal mail to India? I doubt it.

    By the time I write a quick letter, put postage on it, print it out, and walk it out to my mailbox, I would have just found the e-mail address in some cases. While the delivery is slow, the time for me to get it out may be the same or faster. And the response will probably be better.

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    1. Re:It's true by laird · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The big problem for the USPS has is that they are required to do whatever Congress says, and prohibited from doing anything else. And, in particular, Congress has its own agenda, so even when the USPS knows what to do, it takes them years to decades to be allowed to make changes. For example, they were recently authorized to change smaller post offices from being dedicated buildings to being a service provided within an existing business - that took YEARS to pass, because congressmen didn't want to lose a "real post office" for their constituents, so the USPS was required by Congress to lose money on hundreds of tiny post offices. And if they need to raise the rates, or streamline operations, they are routinely blocked by Congress, because the voters don't care if the USPS is losing money, but they do care if the rates go up, or if people are laid off. Ideally the Congress should give the USPS more autonomy, to be able to manage itself without Congress imposing political concerns.

    2. Re:It's true by ScentCone · · Score: 2, Informative

      They are an supertanker with 2 steering wheels- the USPS leadership on one and congress on the other.

      You're forgetting the third steering wheel that congress built, and turned over to: the labor union that has the USPS by the short hairs, fiscally. Their contract prohibits any layoffs, even when they close down an under-used post office. Those union employees don't pay as much for their own health care or contribute to their own retirement plans as do normal government employees, and so on - and there's nothing the USPS management can do about it, except hemorage money in that general direction.

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    3. Re:It's true by devotedlhasa · · Score: 5, Informative

      Congress and the Bush Administration passed the 2006 PAEA law which forced the USPS to submit over $5 billion a year in trust fund payments. This trust fund serves the purpose of transferring federal deficit to the USPS and artificially lowering the government's accumulated debt. This is really a story about bad government policy and not about how technology is replacing the need for a post office.

    4. Re:It's true by blueg3 · · Score: 2

      Part of the reason is that they're legally barred from entering into other lines of business. It came hand-in-hand with the substantial legal protections they get.

    5. Re:It's true by Viewsonic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Nice Fox News banter. If you did any research yourself instead of listening to Palin and her Tea Party rantings, you would know there are trade offs for paying less for health care and pensions. Salaries are less to compensate for better benefits. The Unions negotiate all of this through free market Capitalism. The government agreed to it. This is what happens in a free market. The unions were once private and negotiated to become public. They didn't force anyone to do that. It was the free market acting as it should. Now that people don't like it, they want to throw Capitalism out the window and remove "Evil Unions". Stuff it.

    6. Re:It's true by Grishnakh · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No, actually it's a great example of how well government-owned corporations can work. Despite all the problems Congress gives them, they still manage to have very reliable mail service to every address in the country for a very cheap price. If they didn't have our stupid Congress blocking every improvement they try to make, there's no telling how great they could be.

      The problem is that our Federal government is so utterly corrupt that they're hamstringed in their operations. They could save a ton of money by cutting Saturday (or better yet Wednesday) service, but Congress won't allow it. Basically Congress is setting them up to fail. Another poster pointed out that Congress passed "the Postal Act of 2006 which requires USPS to pre-fund 80% of future retiree health-care obligations by 2016. This costs USPS 5.5 billion $ per year. If not for this, USPS would have shown a 600 Million $ profit over the last 4 years." Since none of their competitors (or any other company) has this burden, it sure appears that this is the result of lobbying by USPS competitors. What do you call that? I call that corruption. The government of this country is even more corrupt than the government of Mexico.

  14. In court... by crankyspice · · Score: 2

    It's much easier to get evidence of delivery in if it's USPS ("official records" don't need the testimony of a custodian of records in, e.g., California state courts, unlike FedEx/UPS "business records"); that, and statutes requiring USPS (e.g., CCP section 1013), are pretty much the only reason I use the postal service anymore...

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  15. Lousy service by Overzeetop · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They've got a delivery route to every single household in America every single day, and yet they can't seem to track a package through their system or guarantee a delivery day. Even their "Next Day" service is "We'll do our best, but it's not really a guarantee, and even then there are some places where we charge you the "next day" rate but we know it will be two days."

    Fedex and UPS do essentially a semi-custom route each day, and they drivers are pretty well taken care of (though they have long hours certain times of the year), and they can track and guarantee your delivery dates, for essentially the same price as USPS. USPS needs to be a value option, or a better/more reliable service. Right now they're neither, and they cannot compete.

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    1. Re:Lousy service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Fedex and UPS cost more. I get packages in 2 days from NJ and NY regularly, and when I order something, even UPS and FedEx often deliver ONLY to the local post office, and USPS does the last bit -- it's how a lot of online companies save money. The rates can't be beat. I NEVER had trouble tracking a package, and have had trouble with FedEx and UPS ALL THE TIME, who will update as "delivered" days before I get my expensive package.

  16. Re:Do your part! Snail-mail your comments! by Hatta · · Score: 2

    Neat idea. Should have called it Post Roulette.

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  17. Re:Yep. Pretty standard. by laird · · Score: 2

    FedEx pays much more per package for labor. But as a percentage FedEx' labor costs are lower because FedEx delivers $18 packages, while the USPS delivers 15-30 cent letters.

  18. Cost per visit vs. cost per piece by tepples · · Score: 2

    As long as each house is getting at least one piece of mail per day, the carrier is already going to the effort to visit each house. Is delivering four pieces of mail to a given house that much more effort than delivering two?

  19. Re:Mismanagement by Qzukk · · Score: 2

    Only a few short years ago, the USPS was boasting of profits and windfalls. It's present demise is clearly not due to email, but rather it is due to mismanagement.

    Yep. Now if only Congress would stop passing laws telling it what to do and how to do it, it might be able to manage itself. Bonus points if Congress repeals the laws they already passed.

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  20. Re:Do your part! Snail-mail your comments! by aztracker1 · · Score: 2

    At my prior address, I'd had in the course of three years, two packages (not even letters) undelivered, or delivered to the wrong address), and on 6 occasions gotten letters and packages for other addresses, even on different streets. I stopped ordering online from places unless UPS or FedEx delivery are used.

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  21. Re:Yep. Pretty standard. by hrvatska · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Fedex labor cost is 32%, USPS is 80%.

    There are so many things that Fedex isn't required to do that the USPS is that it doesn't seem useful to look at just labor costs as a percentage of operating expenses. Fedex isn't required by law to deliver packages six days a week. Fedex isn't required by law to maintain an office in every dippy little town in the US. Fedex isn't required by law to investigate cases of mail fraud, they leave that the the USPS. Fedex doesn't hold packages and mail when people are away from their residences. Fedex isn't required by law to fully fund 30 years of pensions and medical expense for retirees in a ten year time span as the USPS is. The USPS actually makes a profit on its operations. There are estimates that the USPS has been overcharged $75 billion in contributions to the Civil Service Retirement System pension fund. If it weren't for a 2006 law requiring it to over fund it's retiree pension and medical expenses it likely wouldn't be in the financial mess it's in.

  22. Re:Do your part! Snail-mail your comments! by xaxa · · Score: 2

    I send cards to [...] Finland, [...] Germany, [...] Taiwan, [...] Netherlands and [...] Siberia. [...] I live in the UK

    That is going to help the USPS how?

    In the whole scale of everything, it probably won't. Although 14% of Postcrossing members are from the USA (36k users) between them sending over a million postcards.

    My next two cards, which I will write this evening, are to be sent to Washington, USA and Austria. Me sending the card to Washington is a result of the person in Washington sending one to someone else, so that has helped the USPS in a tiny way.

  23. Re:Do your part! Snail-mail your comments! by nbvb · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... and you think dropping a check off in person will help?

    My (previous) mortgage company deposited my mortgage check... and I have no idea whose account got credited for it, but it wasn't mine.

    The check cleared, I marked it as such in my bank book, and the only clue something was wrong was when I went from 0 bill collector calls (since I pay all my bills on time) to 4 in one day all about my mortgage. Even after I opened a case, and they started investigating, AND finally credited me back, they STILL had the hounds calling me.

    I had to tell them the next call was going to my attorney before they stopped.

    So, even dropping that check off in person won't necessarily help. Mistakes can (and do) happen.

  24. Re:Funny that... by sarhjinian · · Score: 2

    A colleague of mine calls this Government Cheese Syndrome. To whit: the US would never do something like, eg, France or Switzerland and regulate the production of cheese to ensure quality and regional branding. That would be socialism and Interfering With The Free Market. On the other hand, they have to have something to sell to fill in a spot on the food pyramid and the dairy boards have a strong lobby, so they legislate a lowest-common-denominator product.

    And this is why Europe has Gruyère, Emmental or Jarlsberg, and the US has American Government Cheese.

    Sales tax gathering is my personal favourite. Other countries have a flat VAT; the US has a balkanized mess of city, county and state taxes, all with their own administrative boards, all of which American businesses have to deal with. Objectively the US sales tax system is insane---it costs more to run and returns less---but a Federal VAT would go over like a lead balloon because somehow it's worse to have a hundred thousand curtain-twitchers and pencil pushers at every level of government than just one central group.

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  25. Re:Do your part! Snail-mail your comments! by nospam007 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "What will replace the USPS?"

    Electronic payments instead of sending checks,
    Fax, Email, IRC, FB ....
    DHL, UPS, USA couriers, Bongo, MyUS, FEDEX, Parcel2Go, ....

    Over half a million errand boys and >218000 vehicles don't come cheap these days.

  26. Re:No kidding by vlm · · Score: 2

    In fact, we personally have discussed that we wouldn't be put out if mail delivery stopped entirely - we could stop by the post office on the way home from work 1/week.

    My wife is a rural postmaster's daughter, and lets just say the local retailers loved him and his post office... Guaranteed the entire village walked past their storefront at least once per week, if not daily. I'm told the "new urbanist" types have a similar line of thinking, to encourage downtown walking foot traffic.

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  27. Re:Do your part! Snail-mail your comments! by BitZtream · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They never did.

    But they were always cheaper overall than anything else you listed for physical delivery to the entire country as a whole.

    It costs the same to mail a letter anywhere in the US. All the other carriers you listed do not flat rate, and will refuse to deliver to places that aren't profitable.

    Everyone in the US can get a letter from the US postal service regardless of where they are. If they've got an address (so any private property and most public parcels) they can get postal drops. But they may not be able to get anything else, including an Internet connection.

    The USPS is a socialist service designed to ensure that EVERYONE has SOME form of communication, and reliable communication at that. Nothing else offers that, even if you don't realize it because it doesn't effect you.

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  28. Re:Because all businesses make sane decisions by stdarg · · Score: 2

    ) Cable companies would prefer to not provide cable to all people in a state, only providing cable to those who will buy premium services and in highest concentration areas so it's most profitable, but states general have laws stating "no, cable for everyone or you ain't in business." So the USPS should not provide mail service to absolutely everyone in the US?

    I wonder when this nonsense started. We used to have the ability to make progress in an economically sensible and viable direction.

    Imagine if New York hadn't been allowed to have paved roads until there was a plan in place to pave the entire Western frontier. No rail roads in California until Louisiana has a direct line to Idaho. No canal to the Great Lakes until the government builds a canal for North Carolina.

    At some point we lost the idea that progress has to start somewhere. Now it's all or nothing which usually devolves to the nothing side of things.

  29. Re:Yep. Pretty standard. by hrvatska · · Score: 2

    And when the Democrats had all 3 branches including 60 in the Senate throughout 2009 and 2010 what did they do to fix this problem?

    Since every major democratic party initiative since 2009 was held up or killed by the threat of a republican filibuster, I'm not sure they could have done anything about it. The democrats never really had a filibuster proof majority in the senate. The death of Kennedy and the interminable series of re-counts in Minnesota effectively kept the democrats from controlling the senate for most of 2009 and all of 2010. Since all legislation has to pass through the senate it's difficult to argue that the democrats had free reign to pass whatever they wanted in 2009 and 2010.

  30. Re:Do your part! Snail-mail your comments! by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 2

    So, even dropping that check off in person won't necessarily help. Mistakes can (and do) happen.

    True. However, you can reduce the probability of an issue arising by reducing the complexity of the system. By trusting USPS with your cheque, you give USPS the chance to lose it. If you don't send it by mail, they can't lose it.

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  31. Re:Do your part! Snail-mail your comments! by compro01 · · Score: 2

    IMHO I think it is time for private industry to start bidding on mail regions.

    Capital idea. Then I'll just have to travel 50 miles to get my mail like I do whenever stupid companies ship via Fedex.

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  32. Re:Yep. Pretty standard. by dkleinsc · · Score: 2

    I don't generally dislike the use of epithets like "Rethuglican" and "Democrap" because it just makes you sound childish, no matter how important your point.

    It also obscures the fundamental issue: A significant majority of Congresscritters and Presidents, and at least a few Supreme Court justices, regardless of party, are making it very clear that they can be bribed to wreck the US government. How they wreck it varies, who bribes them varies, but that's the problem in a nutshell.

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  33. Re:So remind me by DogDude · · Score: 2

    The idea behind the USPS is that everybody in the US, no matter if they live in Manhattan, or the wilds of Alaska, has access to mail service. "Let the market decide" will leave many poor people hurting, badly, and will severely limit where people can comfortably live. It's not a monopoly or a "handout". It's a government service.

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  34. Re:Do your part! Snail-mail your comments! by hedwards · · Score: 5, Informative

    In cases like that you send a registered letter to the agency requesting proof that you owe the debt. That will stop them dead in their tracks, especially given that lately even legitimate mortgage debt often can't be proven to be owed to the party wanting to collect.

  35. Re:Do your part! Snail-mail your comments! by artor3 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The dirty little secret of those private carriers you named is that, when delivering a package to a rural location, they hand it over to the USPS for delivery. That's why the Postal Service can't compete with Fedex, UPS, et al on cost... they need to maintain a huge workforce and vehicle fleet to cover the 100% of the population, whereas the private carriers only cover the cheapest 90%.

    If the Postal Service fails, a lot of people out in the country will suddenly find that ordering a $5 replacement wiper blade from Amazon is gonna cost them $100 in shipping, or won't be available to their location at all.

  36. USPS.com needs love by snsh · · Score: 2

    The web and electronic services offered by the USPS are certainly part of their problem. You would think that by now, almost everyone would be logging into USPS.com to print POSTNET/IM barcoded prepaid envelopes and labels with inexpensive tracking and delivery confirmation options. You would also expect USPS.com to contain complete information and offer every service your local post office offers.

    Instead, USPS.com has not changed much at all in the past 10 years. You cannot print out an envelope with delivery confirmation from your PC. Delivery confirmation is not even available for the first-class envelope you use to pay your electric bill, unless you stick in a couple of styrofoam peanuts to make the envelope 1/4" thick to convert it from a flat to a parcel. The post office does offer a certificate-of-mailing service, and their legacy certified and registered mail services, both of which require you visit a post office and handwrite all the information out on paper forms.

    The USPS offers a bloated Windows desktop "Shipping Assistant" application, which still cannot print out a simple envelope.

    They updated the USPS.com website about a month ago, but that was barely more than a homepage redesign. click a few times and you're back to their old web apps.

    It's such a stagnant situation that the only viable fix is to have the federal government just sign a contract with stamps.com and make it a free service for everyone.

  37. Re:USPS is only dying because they SUCK by bberens · · Score: 2

    I live in Orlando, FL. Sending a letter to Tampa is the same price with USPS as sending a letter to Nome Alaska. The USPS still wins in a lot of areas.

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  38. Re:Yep. Pretty standard. by nomadic · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A significant majority of Congresscritters

    Honestly, "Congresscritter" makes you sound just as childish as using "Rethuglican."

  39. Re:Yep. Pretty standard. by Mongoose+Disciple · · Score: 2

    Point being, if an area of the country has low enough population density that delivering there is unprofitable, FedEx doesn't. (Or, rather, they'll turn the package over to the local USPS for final delivery.)

    Whereas the USPS isn't allowed to say: "Fuck Montana. We're losing money delivering mail there. Let's just focus on cities instead."

  40. Nailed it. by GodInHell · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You missed can't fund its pension plan at the same lower level as its private competitors.

    In 2006 Bush and the Republicans put a forward funding mandate on the USPS. That payment is due this year, to the tune of $5.5B -- 5,500,000,000.00. Guess how big the shortfall is expected to be in this "crisis."

    It's easy to make government fail, just cut revenues below expenditures, then cut expenditures, then repeat -- sooner or later the food isn't safe, the roads fall apart and Medicare can't be sustained any longer. Unfortunately, one party in the U.S. has embraced this as a "policy" of "governance." The other party is full of messaging fail.

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  41. Some ideas by Thesis · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Currently you can get shipping materials for free https://shop.usps.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10052&catalogId=10001&categoryId=10000036&parent_category_rn=10000002&top_category=10000002 which is ludicrous. They need to stop giving away shipping materials and charge for it like everyone else does. Countless times I have known of folks to hoard the materials, and use them for shipping using other carriers, or for personal storage. This needs to stop NOW.

    Raise the rates on the bulk mail, even if it requires congressional approval to do so. Bulk mail companies already pay way less than the general public to send their spam direct to your box, and at times they receive hefty discounts as well ( http://www.dmnews.com/usps-provides-more-details-on-summer-sale/article/131151/ ) which should be stopped. The First Class postage we pay subsidizes junk mail. It is high time they pay their own way. The ridiculous threat that bulk mail companies will stop using USPS if rates for them are increased is pure bullshit. Call their bluff, and raise their rates, for they can afford it. Do you really think they will start using FedEx or UPS to deliver their junk? The US mail is a government monopoly they must use, due to the cheapness of it when compared to other options. A friend of mine who works in the sorting of US mail told me that bulk mail has steadily increased every year.

    Additionally, the Postal Regulatory Commission believes that bulk mailers do not pay their fair share, and that their rates should be increased roughly 22% overall. An audit found that the current rates bulk mailers pay run afoul of the 2006 Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act http://www.prc.gov/PRC-DOCS/UploadedDocuments/ACD%202010_1697.pdf , which is hotly contested by the lobbyists in the bulk mail industry. The current Postmaster General caters to the whims of the bulk mail industry, and needs to be gone.

    Create a Do Not Mail registry, which works similar to the Do Not Call registry. Currently I have no way to stop all the loose-leaf flyers/advertisements from infiltrating my mailbox. The sorting and delivery of this bulk-junk takes up a considerable amount of time, including mine. The junk mail problem alone has me flirting with the idea of eliminating my mailbox entirely, for I can pay all my bills, and do all my banking electronically now. Granted, this may cost money initially, but I can dream, can't I?

    Granted, there are many problems leading to the current crisis, and I have only touched the tip of the issue. We have to start somewhere.

  42. Re:Do your part! Snail-mail your comments! by petermgreen · · Score: 2

    STOP! You're bankrupting the USPS. They *lose* money on these items.

    Do you have a source for that claim and in particular does that source distinguish between overall profit/loss (apportioning some part of the fixed costs to each delivery) and marginal profit/loss?

    They'll have to charge the true cost of delivery if they want to actually solve the problem.

    As I understand it the real problem with a "postal service"* is that their costs are more related to the size of the service area and the frequency of service than the volume of post. Sending a postman down a street costs about the same regardless of how much mail he puts in each box.

    So as mail volumes naturally go down due to competition from electronic communication the average cost of a delivery rises. The governments that own and/or regulate them must choose betwen subsidising them, raising prices or reducing service. None of theese are lightly to be popular and the latter two options run the risk of driving down mail volumes further. Unions add to the problem of course as they are resistant to downsizing.

    I suspect in the long run we will end up with an infrequent and possiblly subsidised delivery to everyone, commerical postal services in areas with high mail volume and expensive courior services for the few items that absoloutely must be delivered physically and quickly to an address in the middle of nowhere.

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  43. Re:Do your part! Snail-mail your comments! by XanC · · Score: 2

    Why do you assume that the government "cares" about quality? A profit motive gives a reason to care about quality. A guaranteed monopoly does not.

  44. Re:Funny that... by sarhjinian · · Score: 2

    Region B has no incentive to control its costs becuase short falls come from region A.

    You're thinking like an American tax planner: penny-wise and pound (dollar?) foolish because you're spending more trying to figure out how to precisely make it fair than if you just made blanket policy.

    In most nations, the central authority (sometimes state/province, sometimes federal, often both) doles out funds as needed using a known and documented process (eg, region B needs roads this year, etc, whereas A might need a hospital ten years from now) and/or uses transfers and/or equalization payments. Yes, this ends up being redistributive, but so what? Redistribution is at least effective, whereas redundant administration just wastes time and money.

    Local tax gathering is just plain nuts. It makes some sense for property taxation, but for sales or income the inefficiency ends up wiping out anything saved through fairness.

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  45. Another Bush Presidency casuality by Frankie70 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The real reason for USPS problems is not e-mail or online bill pay. The real reason is the Postal Act of 2006 which requires USPS to pre-fund 80% of future retiree health-care obligations by 2016. This costs USPS 5.5 billion $ per year. If not for this, USPS would have shown a 600 Million $ profit over the last 4 years.

    None of the USPS competitors (or for that matter any other company) has this burden. It's very likely this was lobbied for by USPS competitors - No lobbyist left behind.

  46. Re:Do your part! Snail-mail your comments! by Rockoon · · Score: 2

    the probability that you get mugged (small as it is) is probably greater than the odds of the USPS losing an envelope.

    At least you will know that you were mugged in a timely fashion. You dont know that the USPS lost your mail for a long time that often has financial consequences.

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  47. Re:Do your part! Snail-mail your comments! by rolfwind · · Score: 4, Interesting

    But let's get real, such an effort even if successful may fund one postal worker. The USPS is one of the biggest employers out there.

    I think they should do several measures:
    -Alternating day service. Route 1 gets Mo-We-Fr delivery, and Route 2 gets Tu-Th-Sa delivery. Mail carriers cut in 1/2. Express Mail already is handled by a different special carrier (I'm told) so that's unaffected.
    -Cut down all underperforming post offices that are within a certain radius of other, more successful, USPS locations. I'm close to such a one, that is in a shack of a location, and within 7 minutes drive of it's main branch. It has one guy working there, less than 75 PO Boxes, half of them unrented (the next most rural place I know has at least 300 boxes, 90% rented). USPS has been trying to close it down for years but the union is resisting, even if the worker is taken to the main branch. Hard to understand.
    -Open up automated kiosks to serve as advanced versions of blue mailboxes in malls/supermarkets/what_have_you. Emulate redbox, except for packages. Try a trial run. (All the USPS advertising is for flat rate boxes, they WANT the package business. Might as well try something novel.)
    -Back in WW2, Post Office has Vmail. It's mail on special sized letters, shrunk to microfiche, and reprinted. Save many cargo ships for other purposes - they used to be pioneers. They should have an email to mail service - afterall laywers and a ton of businesses need to send out certified mail all the time. But why should they have to print it, run someplace to mail it, and keep track of slips of "certified" this and that? Send it to the USPS server, let a central place print it out, and mail automatically, for postage plus a small fee. The software keeps track of what was sent.

    Just a few ideas. The USPS has to change and fast. It has to reduce their workforce. It has to do a lot of things. But ceasing to exist should not be an options, lot of online and offline commerce depends on them and will do so until perfect replicas of objects can simply be generated, like in Star Trek, just like computers can copy data files. Then they can call it quits.

  48. Re:Do your part! Snail-mail your comments! by BVis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For mission critical documents like that, yes, I would probably go with FedEx. (Should be noted, however, that FedEx loses stuff too, despite your faith in them.) However, that's not the market I'm talking about. I'm talking about typical bills, letters, small packages, and so forth, that right now are cheap to send via USPS. Right now you can send letters for 44 cents. If FedEx, UPS, and the like were to take over that segment of the market, you can bet your last dollar it won't stay that cheap (at least not for long.) Before you know it, you'll be paying $2 for a first class - level delivery, because the company MUST continually show increasing profits lest they be sued by their stockholders.

    Your assumption that "government bureaucracy" can't get anything done is a poor one. They get things done every day, and usually with a high level of quality, just like private industry. In fact, in some segments of the economy, the government is beating the stuffing out of private industry in terms of efficiency. (See Medicare.) Do those programs have problems (fraud, for example)? Sure. Do private industry programs in the same markets have the same issues (like recission, denial of care, poor/slow reimbursement rates, etc.)? You betcha. The difference is that less money goes into overhead with the government program, because it doesn't have to show a profit.

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  49. Re:Do your part! Snail-mail your comments! by rolfwind · · Score: 2

    Oh, and right now I will tell you where USPS absolutely lags behind where it could get an easy jump. For ebay, it absolutely sucks right now making international shipments for things under $300. You see, UPS and FedEx for a small guy will cost around $100 overseas (not something a buyer is likely to pay) to send a package. With USPS it costs 4-5 for really small items to, say $30 for something under 4lbs. The problem is that USPS lacks tracking - buyer says he never got it, Paypal will side with the buyer every time. Many sellers have given up selling overseas.

    And forget registration (that's insured to 45 some odd dollars to many countries) -- many customs offices became absolutely anal retentive about packages. So if it's from the post office, it can get held... and held... and held.... months at a time even. But by paypal/ebay rules, if they don't get it within 21 days (or 28?) internationally , the seller is boned. If you declare the real value, the buyer gets to pay 30% of it or something mindboggling stupid in may places... they refuse, and the sender somehow never gets his package back. UPS and FedEx somehow managed to zip these items through customs, and if there are problems, often the item get back to you. (I swear, this shit was easier 10 years ago...)

    Even if it gets through, if it's registers, the other PO system just doesn't know what to do with it. I got a registered package from China. The mail clerk tried to scan it in, and it just wouldn't work. He had me sign for it on a slip of paper because he couldn't understand the other PO system code (I'm sure they'd never find the signature again if I contested it).

    So the weak point of the USPS system are the foreign post offices, which UPS and FedEx obviously don't have. Plus customs. USPS is trying to mitigate that with Global Express Guaranteed, which basically uses FedEx's system after it leaves our borders and is quite a bit cheaper than FedEx.

    But if USPS could convene an international Congress, get the various customs offices to back off on the nickel and diming average people (good luck with that), work out an agreement with the foreign POs on a bunch of these issues, use universal forms that rely on easily recognizable symbols for registered mail (+ other services) that would be used in all countries, and have a universal scan code, they could really pick up business if they offered cheap, reliable package tracking on 1st class international parcels. Right now tracking even for a small business costs $0.17 or so. They could charge as much as $3 per package for 1st class intl tracking (as an option on top of the postage), and the the total postage would still be 10% of FedEx/UPS for 0-4 lb packages. They could earn a TON of intl business away from FedEx/UPS and generate a lot more from businesses that aren't willing or quit some time in the past.

  50. Re:Do your part! Snail-mail your comments! by cayenne8 · · Score: 2

    um, yes.. that's exactly what he said. And your point is what? That all unions are a bad thing because of one example?

    I'm not in favor of unions, but I'll say they may not be bad in all cases.

    I don't, however, think they should be allowed in in PUBLIC jobs...as that the rules, pay, etc...are voted by and should be dictated by the public for those jobs.

    And not to mention...govt. is inefficient enough as it is inherently....due to difficulty of getting civil servants out when they aren't effective...laws and regulations, etc.

    You add in union on top of that, and it goes downhill fast into a money sucking entity that returns little if any effective service to the public that funds it with their taxes.

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  51. Re:Do your part! Snail-mail your comments! by Karlt1 · · Score: 2

    You obviously have NEVER been to any DMV that I've ever been to. I pretty much resign myself to take about half a day off whenever I have to get new license plate renewals or drivers license.

    Why would I go to the DMV to renew my license plate or drivers license? That's what they have the Internet for.

    I shudder to think my healthcare would be metted out by such an organization.

    Because the private sector has done such a bang up job.....

  52. Re:Do your part! Snail-mail your comments! by Fjandr · · Score: 2

    No, probably more likely that not all unions are necessarily good. It's sort of like police misconduct: "Well, yes there's police misconduct, just not here."

    It's alright for others to lay off employees, or close locations, just not here.

    Governments, corporations, and unions all cause problems. They just cause different problems. Pointing out the problems one causes does not imply that the problems another causes do not exist.

  53. Re:WAY Confused by hrvatska · · Score: 2

    I'm kind of confused too. Company A makes a deal with Union. Company A is running a profit on their operations with the union workers. Company A's competitors complain to congress members they contribute loads of money to that Company A needs to fund its employee pensions better or they won't be able to compete against it. Company A is required by congress to fund it's pension at an unrealistically high level, amounting to an overpayment that exceeds the losses the company is running. By some estimates as much as $25 billion. What confuses me is why some people think most of the problem is the union and not the congress members who did the bidding of Company A's competitors.