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Woz Is First In Line For iPhone 4S

An anonymous reader writes "Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak is already camped out in front of an Apple store for the new iPhone 4S. From the article: 'Woz and his trusty Segway showed up at his local Apple store in Los Gatos Thursday and said he will stay there overnight. He added he already has two phones coming to his house, but doesn't mind hanging out for one more for his wife.'"

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  1. That son of a bitch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    No wonder those phones are sold out.

    1. Re:That son of a bitch by mug+funky · · Score: 1

      phone scalping? interesting concept.

    2. Re:That son of a bitch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mug funky, about the iPhone 4GS: why do you think that one fingered he was delicious, and the other fingered he was scrump?

    3. Re:That son of a bitch by HermMunster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What he's doing is being a publicity hound. He could walk into Apple, talk to Tim Cook, and have a box of them placed in his lap. I find these antics humorous and highly manipulative. He's a billionaire. He can fly in private jets anywhere in the world on a moments notice. He can buy some whole towns. Why would a billionaire stand in line all night long to get a cellphone that his company sells?

      One final note. Be wary of the practical joker. Those around him should probably get ready to have him buy theirs as well, as a good gesture.

      Yes, Woz, we'll miss you too.

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    4. Re:That son of a bitch by man_of_mr_e · · Score: 1

      I doubt Woz is a billionaire. I think he's donated a lot of his money to charity.

    5. Re:That son of a bitch by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Can a guy have fun?

      Quit being a buzz kill

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    6. Re:That son of a bitch by pak9rabid · · Score: 2

      So a decent person can't be humble even if they're rich?

    7. Re:That son of a bitch by Miamicanes · · Score: 2

      Exactly. Woz is doing it for the social event. I'm sure he's had at least one real iPhone 4S for at least a couple of weeks now.

      He'll bask in the crowd's adoration a bit, and joke about next year's elite iPhone 5we ("we" = "Woz Edition", sold pre-jailbroken, running OpenIOS, and equipped with a real, honest-to-god camera button).

    8. Re:That son of a bitch by blind+monkey+3 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You're right, he's an absolute pauper - $100 million net worth. More important than money, he provided on-site support tech support for his local school district.

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    9. Re:That son of a bitch by Miamicanes · · Score: 2

      You didn't see the episode of "My life on the D-List" (when he was dating Kathy Giffords for a couple of weeks)? The first thing he did on their date was jailbreak her iPhone in the limo on the way to the restaurant. Mad props, total respect :-D

      He probably HAS direct, personal access to the iPhone's source repo, because it was the only way Apple could keep him entertained enough to avoid the scandal of having their founder become the favorite playmate of a big lime green robot from across town ;-)

      Good god, can you even *fathom* the delicious scandal if Google hired Woz to take Gosling's place as Uber Esteemed Developer?

    10. Re:That son of a bitch by Grygus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You lost all respect for someone you've never met, based on what you imagine his intentions to be, surrounding actions taken during events at which you were not present.

      No offense, but I get the impression that your respect isn't really worth a whole lot in the first place, if you treat it so arbitrarily.

    11. Re:That son of a bitch by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      I get prejailbroken, open version of iOS, but... Why the camera button? Mind you, I still dislike the idea of using volume up as a shutter button, even more so after finding out going into the Camera app pauses my audio playback >:(

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    12. Re:That son of a bitch by wsxyz · · Score: 1

      You forgot to mention the expansion header.

    13. Re:That son of a bitch by wsxyz · · Score: 2

      Ditto the above reply, but on top of that you are an ignorant ding-dong. It is a well known and reported fact that Woz carries the latest Android bling in addition to several iPhones.

    14. Re:That son of a bitch by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

      I2C, SPI, and Dallas 1-wire as secondary functions on the expansion cable are just taken for granted. You'll have to wait for the iPhone 6we to get Zigbee ;-)

      As for the camera button... why NOT? Even if you don't care about picture taking, I'm sure just about everyone here can think of something useful to do with another easy to press hardkey, if only to use it like a ctrl key when running a ssh client (light press) or alt key (hard press).

    15. Re:That son of a bitch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've lost all respect for you Steve.

      Nobody gives a shit about your respect. You're a nobody that works at a "power utilities" company. Next to Woz, or basically anyone for that matter, you haven't accomplished anything that's even worth talking about.

    16. Re:That son of a bitch by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 5, Informative

      Why would a billionaire stand in line all night long to get a cellphone that his company sells?

      I know this will sound crazy, but "he enjoys other human beings?" I know, the only reasonable thing for a wealthy man to do is sit home and count his money, but for some reason Woz goes out and interacts with other Apple aficionados.

      The last time this story ran, he was helping a woman figure out what was wrong with her Macbook. Afterwards people said to her, "do you know who that was?" Any reasonable rich guy would have told her to pound sand or at least talk to the Genius Bar (despite both of those words being misleading).

      Woz - man of mystery.

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    17. Re:That son of a bitch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I doubt Woz is a billionaire. I think he's donated a lot of his money to charity.

      First, I'm not sure his technical status as a billionaire or not a billionaire is really relevant to the OP's point. He likely is a billionaire but regardless of whether he is a billionaire or a millionaire a hundred times over the point is valid. Also donating money has very little to do with your status. Darth Gates gives all kinds of stuff away and he's a billionaire.

      What the OP didn't seem to consider is the possible fact that it's more about marketing the iPhone than it is about personal publicity. It certainly isn't hurting to get the publicity of going down and hanging out with Woz while you wait to buy a phone. Or then again, maybe the dude is just having some fun.

    18. Re:That son of a bitch by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      Woz is rich, no question, but you are highly overestimating his net worth, which apparently is closer to $100M. He's nowhere near a "billionaire". Steve Jobs would never have let that happen... (too soon? :)

      No question they'd give him as many phones as he wanted, though. I think it's both a matter of promoting the product (why wouldn't an Apple shareholder want to do that?) and a sense of wanting to be in the trenches like everyone else (as he always wanted to be when working at Apple).

    19. Re:That son of a bitch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are an asshole.

    20. Re:That son of a bitch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know this will sound crazy, but "he enjoys other human beings?

      Wow, I have never thought of it that way!

      I am not sure I agree that people waiting in line outside an apple store should be considered humans but it is an interesting concept!

    21. Re:That son of a bitch by __Paul__ · · Score: 1

      Why would a billionaire stand in line all night long to get a cellphone that his company sells?

      Why would anyone do this at all, for that matter? I really don't understand the mindset of people that can't wait a few days or even weeks for this. I presume they have nothing better to do with their time (hey, I have nothing better to do with my time than post to Slashdot at the moment, and even I wouldn't queue up outside overnight for anything)

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    22. Re:That son of a bitch by mrxak · · Score: 1

      I think he honestly just enjoys the technology and enjoys talking to other people who enjoy technology. He doesn't need the attention and neither does the iPhone, it'll sell just great whether he's there or not. But he's going to have fun and what's wrong with that?

    23. Re:That son of a bitch by jcr · · Score: 1

      I'm sure Woz is having more fun camped out in front of that store with his friends than you are bitching about Apple and Woz. Have you considered maybe getting a life?

      -jcr

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    24. Re:That son of a bitch by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1
      He doesn't care about publicity. He's a big nerd. He does what he wants to do and he doesn't care what other people think about it.

      And he's not a billionaire.

    25. Re:That son of a bitch by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1

      Also donating money has very little to do with your status.

      How about his time? Did you know that he actually taught high school after leaving Apple? It certainly wasn't for the money nor for "publicity." It was what he wanted to do and he thought he could do some good. And he has nothing to do with Apple other than receiving a token ($100 a week) salary. He doesn't sell iPhones.

    26. Re:That son of a bitch by HnT · · Score: 1

      Why would a billionaire stand in line all night long to get a cellphone that his company sells?

      Because he frakking CAN, that's why. There are certain privileges to enjoy when you are a billionaire and most of your current customers (or actually most people in the country) have no idea who you are... this has got to be one of them.

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    27. Re:That son of a bitch by CapuchinSeven · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why would a billionaire stand in line all night long to get a cellphone that his company sells?

      As you said, for the publicity. Cults being what they are, I'm sure it all helps to perform minor miracles to keep the sheep spending until the day they can revive Zombie Jesus.. i mean Jobs.

      Or you know, it could just be that Woz is a pretty fun cool guy and likes to hang out with people in lines and makes new friends. Believe it or not, Woz doesn't need the money and the iPhone doesn't need the publicity to sell out in less than an hour. Frankly Woz is more the engineer, nerd and geek than any of us will likely ever be if the guy wants to stand in a line overnight for shits and giggles, more power to him. But no, it's cool, you twist that into some strange reason to insult a dead man. I'm just surprised you didn't mention Apple users being shee... OH wait, you did. I guess you bought an Android phone, installed someone else's ROM that they made nice and simple for you to understand and told yourself you're a "hacker" and more of a nerd than an Apple user.

    28. Re:That son of a bitch by Nikker · · Score: 0

      If he really does like the fan base then why don't you see him putting in hours at the Genius Bar on his spare time?

      He might just be paying tribute to Jobs and no harm done but this is as single sided as it gets.

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    29. Re:That son of a bitch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And let me guess, you purchased an iPhone, followed someone else's directions and used someone else's software to jailbreak your iPhone to allow you to do stuff the android phone can do out of the box and think you're a hacker and more of a nerd than an android user...

    30. Re:That son of a bitch by msobkow · · Score: 1

      I don't think he's even being a publicity hound. I think he's just having fun with the opportunity and planning to hang with the Apple fanboys who join the line-up for shits and giggles.

      He even said he's already got a couple being shipped to his house. It could just as easily have been a case, and he wouldn't have had to leave home at all.

      Besides, what would he need the publicity for? I could see Apple wanting the publicity, but I can't imagine Apple coming up with any incentives that would lure him into doing it if he didn't think it would be a fun stunt.

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    31. Re:That son of a bitch by rrossman2 · · Score: 1

      Like the SSH clients on android do (hard keys for alt+ and ctrl+ plus others). Makes it much nicer than just touch screen controls

    32. Re:That son of a bitch by WinterKnight · · Score: 1

      The last time this story ran, he was helping a woman figure out what was wrong with her Macbook. Afterwards people said to her, "do you know who that was?"

      Can you link to the article where this story appeared? I'd love to see the original text, sounds like a great little tale to share with people.

    33. Re:That son of a bitch by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 1

      “Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?”

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    34. Re:That son of a bitch by CapuchinSeven · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah damn Woz, putting decades into teaching 5th grade children at his local school after he left Apple while donating huge sums of his own money to them instead of working at the Genius Bar just to show people he cares about the Apple fan base. Fuck you Woz, unless you spend your spare time working at the Genius bar then you clearly don't give a shit about the Apple fan base, that's the only way you can really care. Fucking Woz should be fixing my iPhone charger.

    35. Re:That son of a bitch by Wildmuffin · · Score: 0

      One of the more obvious marketing stunts by Apple.. And one of the less clever. I am not impressed. Having the founder get cancer, die an icon and make the whole world cry in unison.. thats impressive.

    36. Re:That son of a bitch by delinear · · Score: 1

      Well I'm sure he wouldn't do it if he didn't enjoy it, but that doesn't mean it's also not a calculated attempt to generate publicity - the two are not mutually exclusive. And as for the iPhone not needing the attention to sell out, maybe that's true for this version, but a big part of the reason Apple devices are aspirational is that they're seen as a fun, on trend company and not a Microsoft-esque faceless corporation. That can change very quickly and it's easy for massive corporations to lose touch with their customers - this is probably not about promoting the current phone but about keeping the brand relevant. Considering Apple just lost their main figurehead, it's not going to hurt them at all to show that they have personality and are still a brand that it's fun to be associated with - this is about protecting their identity five, ten, twenty years down the line, not shifting some more phones this week.

    37. Re:That son of a bitch by suso · · Score: 1

      Shut up you non-hipster SSH using freak! Nobody cares about you.

      (disclaimer: I can only say this because I'm a non-hipster SSH using freak)

    38. Re:That son of a bitch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can only imagine that for some people it's an event in itself - meeting up with a bunch of like-minded people, sharing the camaraderie, etc. It's not really my idea of fun either (hell, I'll often leave and come back later if there are more than 3 people in the queue for groceries), but then I can't understand why people stand in queues to get into football games but I'll happily queue to see a movie I'm looking forward to. I guess it's just horses for courses.

    39. Re:That son of a bitch by delinear · · Score: 1

      That doesn't make much sense. If you're saying he's doing this to enjoy the privilege of anonymity then it's massively counter productive because it just got his face in the media and splashed across a bunch of websites. Maybe those customers didn't know who he was yesterday but they will tomorrow. If he enjoyed the sensation of shopping without being recognised he would just wait a few weeks and buy the phone late night from an anonymous mall somewhere, joining a massive queue at a prominent store on day one is not going to help him enjoy any privacy. Besides, if you take a look at the guy's life, staying in the shadows doesn't really seem to be a priority of his.

    40. Re:That son of a bitch by SimonTheSoundMan · · Score: 1

      I guessed you missed this the other day: https://plus.google.com/108635142374103391422/posts/b9HcPfQ6z4c

    41. Re:That son of a bitch by Joe+U · · Score: 1

      I'm far from an Apple fan, my posting history can tell you that, but are you freaking serious?

    42. Re:That son of a bitch by JamesP · · Score: 1

      What he's doing is being a publicity hound. He could walk into Apple, talk to Tim Cook, and have a box of them placed in his lap. I find these antics humorous and highly manipulative. He's a billionaire. He can fly in private jets anywhere in the world on a moments notice. He can buy some whole towns. Why would a billionaire stand in line all night long to get a cellphone that his company sells?

      One final note. Be wary of the practical joker. Those around him should probably get ready to have him buy theirs as well, as a good gesture.

      Yes, Woz, we'll miss you too.

      Yes, he can do all that. But you know what!?

      He doesn't need that. He does not feel superior as to deserve special treatment. He wants an iPhone he stands in line like anyone else.

      Yes, he could have called Tim Cook, or got an assistant to buy for him (he certainly can afford one), but no.

      Good for him.

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    43. Re:That son of a bitch by CapuchinSeven · · Score: 1

      OH, I see what you did, I see what you did!

    44. Re:That son of a bitch by AJH16 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, my first thought was publicity stunt as well, though I would hazard that as others mentioned, it wouldn't surprise me if he actually enjoys going and seeing the enthusiasm of Apple's fans directly as well. But yeah, it's a great PR move too.

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    45. Re:That son of a bitch by AJH16 · · Score: 1

      Thanks, that is a great story. While I didn't like the direction Jobs went in his later years at Apple (I'll call them the "try to dominate and control all technology to my advantage" years, I've always liked the Woz and his attitude towards wanting to simply push technology forward for the sake of moving forward. Examples like this of him helping someone just because he could with no expectation of anything from it really show the difference in attitude so clearly.

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    46. Re:That son of a bitch by Antisyzygy · · Score: 0

      Please don't call them "Apple Aficionados". They are fan-boys, early-adopters, status-seekers, or simply require an Apple device for work (like a iOS programmer).

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    47. Re:That son of a bitch by Antisyzygy · · Score: 1

      I seem to remember an engineer getting fired for even showing Woz the iPad. What makes you think they would give him anything?

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    48. Re:That son of a bitch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even the other steve did things like that.

    49. Re:That son of a bitch by johnlcallaway · · Score: 1

      That and how Apple has a lock on their particular style of phone so when they release, all the iDrones have to rush out and get one. Meanwhile, Android has real competition with multiple vendors for the same OS with the same general software features, so there are multiple vendors releasing new phones all the time and no artificial need to get the latest and greatest.

      It's amazing how the manipulation of supply and demand and the linking of software to hardware can create such a feeding frenzy for a product that was only slightly better than the prior one. And how all of the software enhancements are available on existing iPhones just by upgrading the OS (which didn't seem to go well talking with my friends, but of course no one reported that Apple story.) That is why Apple could never rise to number one in the PC or phone market, if they became a significant majority, the government would split them into separate hardware and software companies to encourage competition, and their ability to manipulate emotions and create artificial shortages would be over.

      Apple didn't just get thousands of new subscribers, they just swapped out phones. No big news story here .. people swap out phones all the time when their contract expires.

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    50. Re:That son of a bitch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If he really does like the fan base then why don't you see him putting in hours at the Genius Bar on his spare time?

      So it's all or nothing? That's silly. I used to be very much in WoW. I spent a fair bit of time on the forums offering advice but did not put in hours sitting in newbie areas looking for people to help. I can like and recommend my local bar without needing to prove myself by standing outside a few nights a week with a fucking bullhorn.

    51. Re:That son of a bitch by QuantumRiff · · Score: 1

      Why would a billionaire stand in line all night long to get a cellphone that his company sells?
      you know he works for Fusion-IO, right? that he hasn't worked at apple for 20+ years?

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    52. Re:That son of a bitch by flappinbooger · · Score: 1

      Assuming he hasn't done this sort of thing for a while, he's probably feeling a little nostalgic since his ol' buddy just died. Seems fitting to me, makes sense even. I don't know Woz at all, but I figure he's always been the more personable of the two Steves.

      I don't know why we're all trying to figure out his hidden agendas.

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    53. Re:That son of a bitch by abigor · · Score: 1

      Just joining the chorus of "boos" here. You seem like a deeply unhappy person.

    54. Re:That son of a bitch by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Wait, what? Why would anyone want to hang out with Apple aficionados?

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    55. Re:That son of a bitch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    56. Re:That son of a bitch by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      Why would a billionaire stand in line all night long to get a cellphone that his company sells?

      you know he works for Fusion-IO, right? that he hasn't worked at apple for 20+ years?

      His day job is Fusion IO. However, he still draws a small salary from Apple and is on the Apple payroll, even though he does absolutely nothing for Apple. Heck, Apple's probably paying him just because everyone associates him with Apple.

      And yes, Woz has also spoken about the walled garden.

      And from what I've seen, just because he's rich doesn't mean he's a recluse. He genuinely enjoys people and being social, and the spotlight as well (You should see the interview he did with AP on YouTube - they said "cut" and kept filming, and he broke down).

      He's an extrovert, and gets his energy from the crowd. And hell, if you were in line, his antics make the time fly by.

      He's probably one of the few people to whom money hasn't changed him - he's rich, but still interacts with people. The only thing money does is it allows him to have more fun easily.

      Publicity hound... really? He's probably the guy reporters go to after Jobs made a comment.

    57. Re:That son of a bitch by VolciMaster · · Score: 1

      Why would a billionaire stand in line all night long to get a cellphone that his company sells?

      Umm.. Steve Wozniak doesn't own Apple.

    58. Re:That son of a bitch by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Let's see.... :google google google: Oh, figures.

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    59. Re:That son of a bitch by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      After it was released? Wow, there must be a lot of Apple Store employees losing their jobs today then :) I'm not talking about prototypes. I'm talking about giving a couple thousand dollars worth of hardware to one of the founders of the company - one who regularly talks about the products publicly.

      Doesn't matter, though, since he probably wouldn't accept them. He has no need to get free stuff financially, and clearly likes being out there in line with the rest of the Apple consumers/fans supporting the company and paying retail...

    60. Re:That son of a bitch by Antisyzygy · · Score: 1

      To be fair it was before the iPad was even released or mentioned to the public. However, still seems drastic given that the Woz was a major part of Apple's beginnings.

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    61. Re:That son of a bitch by wiedzmin · · Score: 1

      No wonder those phones are sold out.

      I know, they have the company co-founder personally participate in its viral marketing campaign, complimenting the artificial deficit of product created to generate hype... now that's dedication!

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    62. Re:That son of a bitch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would anyone wait in line for an iPhone 4s. Just because we are not billionaires does not mean we are forced to wait outside Apple stores. We could order the phone and wait for it to be delivered. We could buy it next month. But we don't. It would be really sad if having billions of pounds meant that you weren't allowed to enjoy things that are free like being in a queue with people you can relate to.

    63. Re:That son of a bitch by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Hell, in Android, the volume up and down is zoom in and out in camera, I find that useful. I kind of wonder how you do that in iPhone without the button.

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    64. Re:That son of a bitch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The last time this story ran, he was helping a woman figure out what was wrong with her Macbook. Afterwards people said to her, "do you know who that was?" Any reasonable rich guy would have told her to pound sand or at least talk to the Genius Bar (despite both of those words being misleading).

      Woz - man of mystery.

      http://blog.pluckytree.org/2011/10/last-time-i-saw-steve-jobs.html: "Steve was heading towards a car parked next to the curb with its door open, waiting for him. The car was idling. A family was standing near the Apple sign outside the building, a common site for people to take photos on their pilgrimages to Apple.

      The father turned to Steve as he passed close by and asked, "Excuse me, sir, would you mind taking our photo?"

      Read for yourself how that story ended - it may shock you.

    65. Re:That son of a bitch by vakuona · · Score: 1

      The Camera app doesn't pause mine.

      Just sayin'.

    66. Re:That son of a bitch by Anguirel · · Score: 1

      Is it? I've been using the on-screen zoom slider for it. I'd imagine the iPhone does the same.

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    67. Re:That son of a bitch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh really, it is kind of a publicity stunt? We did not realize...
      Thanks genious

  2. Strange by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You would think that since he was now the head of Apple he wouldn't have to wait in line.

    1. Re:Strange by MichaelSmith · · Score: 0

      Nobody has to wait in line. The next day you can just walk in and buy one.

    2. Re:Strange by johnsnails · · Score: 2

      im confused... isint Tim Cook giving h...? I mean isint Tim Cook head?

    3. Re:Strange by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

      The Apple retail stores themselves will likely be the only location that has any stock beyond pre-orders. And those will be gone quick.

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    4. Re:Strange by bigsexyjoe · · Score: 0

      I think he's trying to make some kind of point; like people who sleep outside to get iPhones aren't giant guilable losers.

    5. Re:Strange by HermMunster · · Score: 1

      I waited in line for a few hours to pick up a $149.99 32gig HP Touchpad. It was worth it. Lots of people envy it (for the price I paid). I have other tablets too and yet I find the Touchpad to be the item that keeps my attention.

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    6. Re:Strange by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      That wasn't true for the iPhone 4. For quite a while that thing had a 3 week wait. I doubt it'll be that extreme this time around, but 'the next day' is pretty unlikely.

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    7. Re:Strange by gfxguy · · Score: 1

      That doesn't change the fact that nobody has to wait in line. Will the world crumble if someone has to wait a week or two?

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    8. Re:Strange by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2

      Probably different here in Australia. Friend of mine went to the apple store on the first day of sale for one model of iPhone. Tells the guy behind the counter what he wants. Apple guy says I'll just go and check to see if we have any in stock. Five minutes later he returns with a phone. The seems dumb. They either have big pallets stacked high with the things or none at all.

    9. Re:Strange by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, if only they could do something more constructive like spending their evenings criticizing people on the internet.

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    10. Re:Strange by bluemonq · · Score: 1

      For the iPhone 4, I showed up at the main San Francisco store on the second day at 8:30 AM. Ended up waiting only 20 minutes in line before I got mine. Same story with the first iPad: launched on Friday, I went in after work on Monday and picked one up after about 10 minutes. They might keep the inventory a bit lower this time to keep up the hype, but the only real reason to show up on day 1 is to enjoy the atmosphere.

    11. Re:Strange by jcr · · Score: 1

      Or order it on line, like a million people did in the first 24 hours...

      -jcr

      --
      The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
    12. Re:Strange by somersault · · Score: 1

      There's a big difference there. That was a unique bargain worth queuing for. These are just mass produced, standard priced phones that you can buy anytime over the next few years.

      --
      which is totally what she said
    13. Re:Strange by gfxguy · · Score: 1

      Exactly.

      --
      Stupid sexy Flanders.
    14. Re:Strange by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      What' if Apple decides to spin off their hardware business and cancel their mobile stuff?

      --
      I drank what? -- Socrates
    15. Re:Strange by johnsnails · · Score: 1

      whoosh!

  3. It's 4S, not 4GS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    (T/O)

  4. How do you park a Segway? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

    I wonder if he just stops there and lets it keep itself balanced all night.

    1. Re:How do you park a Segway? by guttentag · · Score: 1

      There's a photo album attached to TFA, and one of the photos shows Woz sitting in a chair with the Segway (conveniently marked "Segway") standing by the wall in the background.

    2. Re:How do you park a Segway? by Dahamma · · Score: 2

      Yeah, because bicycle owners have never figured this out either... ;)

  5. he wanted to wait in line by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 2

    he wanted to wait in line

    1. Re:he wanted to wait in line by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 1

      Its fun if you've got the time. Talk to the other people in line, show each other great apps, etc. Of course you look like a saddo to passersby, but geeks should be used to that :-)

      --
      If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error.
  6. 4GS? 4S? Which is it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I believe it's called the 4S.

  7. Oh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...how the mighty have fallen

    1. Re:Oh... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2

      Woz is an enthusiast.

    2. Re:Oh... by elbiatcho1 · · Score: 1

      Apples don't fall far from the tree.

  8. He'll have a long wait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good thing he doesn't mind camping out. He's going to have a longer wait than expected when he finds out that they only have the iPhone 4S and that the 4GS (if it even exists) will not be available until some indeterminate time in the future.

  9. Jedi phone by MrEricSir · · Score: 5, Funny

    I call it the Jedi phone. Use the 4S, Luke!

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    There's no -1 for "I don't get it."
  10. Get the name right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    iPhone 4S, not iPhone 4GS

  11. First in line for Woz's old iPhone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So who is first in line for Woz's now obsolete iPhone? I bet that's worth more than a new iPhone...

    1. Re:First in line for Woz's old iPhone? by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 4, Funny

      I bet that's worth more than a new iPhone...

      Even with the gravy stains.

  12. Come on editors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fail on submitter and editor. Considering the amount of press Apple gets, at least get the name of the silly thing right.

    4S not 4GS

    1. Re:Come on editors by Desler · · Score: 1

      Especially since all he had to do was copy and paste the title of the article which had the name right.

  13. 4GS? A new model? by Cappella · · Score: 1

    Wow, Apple has a new phone model called iPhone 4GS? Even I also wanted to queue up for it!

    --
    Stealth Falcon
    1. Re:4GS? A new model? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, Apple has a new phone model called iPhone 4GS? Even I also wanted to queue up for it!

      Yeah, that's the one with the 65816 processor in it.

    2. Re:4GS? A new model? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait 'til you see my rad border effects on your phone and the music won't stop!

    3. Re:4GS? A new model? by jcr · · Score: 1

      The killer features are the double hi-res graphics, lower case card, and dual analog joysticks. Also, it runs Integer Basic faster than you can imagine.

      -jcr

      --
      The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
  14. True geek by White+Flame · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's great to see as time marches on, that Woz remains so true to his roots & initial interests.

    As a side note, I removed 2 cycles from his SWEET16 interpreter when I ported it to the C64, without affecting functionality. That was an amazing little moment in my life, and felt as a great accomplishment given the body of work. :-)

    1. Re:True geek by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's great to see as time marches on, that Woz remains so true to his roots & initial interests.

      As a side note, I removed 2 cycles from his SWEET16 interpreter when I ported it to the C64, without affecting functionality. That was an amazing little moment in my life, and felt as a great accomplishment given the body of work. :-)

      removing comments does not count...

    2. Re:True geek by SigmundFloyd · · Score: 0

      I removed 2 cycles from his SWEET16 interpreter when I ported it to the C64

      Did you do that by exploiting some 6510-only feature?

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      Knowledge is power; knowledge shared is power lost.
    3. Re:True geek by md65536 · · Score: 0

      removing comments does not count...

      It does if the comment uses 2 cycles to execute.

    4. Re:True geek by larry+bagina · · Score: 2, Informative

      The only difference between the 6502 and 6510 is i/o ports (which means DMA access to memory locations 0000 and 0001, as far as I understand it).

      --
      Do you even lift?

      These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.

    5. Re:True geek by wsxyz · · Score: 1

      Given that Woz's programming style at the time was to write down the machine instructions in hexadecimal on a sheet of paper and then key them in every time he wanted to run the program, I can see how he might have allowed a small inefficiency to slip in. On the other hand, maybe it was because he was avoiding some of the flaky instructions that didn't work correctly on the original 6502s.

    6. Re:True geek by narcc · · Score: 0

      He's talking about "undocumented opcodes" (sometimes called "illegal opcodes" or "unofficial opcodes") which don't necessarily work across all 6502 variants.

    7. Re:True geek by moj0joj0 · · Score: 1

      Actually, If he was a true "Geek", he'd be on an Android phone, as they are the hackable device now a days, not on the walled garden of Apple and all it regulates. Get your facts, and thoughts straight before you post such fanboi gibberish next time.

      God Damn! You are a total hater dude, did he piss in your Cheerios or something? This is the second hate filled post you've made that doesn't mean anything.
      I don't own any apple products, but I sort of like Woz and appreciate his antics and his philanthropic gestures. Let the cat have some frackin' fun without shitting all over him.

    8. Re:True geek by Grygus · · Score: 1

      Steve Wozniak: a man who can afford two phones.

    9. Re:True geek by wsxyz · · Score: 1

      reference my previous reply to you, the ignorant ding-dong.

    10. Re:True geek by deniable · · Score: 1

      If he was a true Scotsman he'd have a tartan iPhone cover.

    11. Re:True geek by White+Flame · · Score: 0

      No, there aren't any 6510-only instructions. I seemed to be remembering a bit incorrectly, because now that I looked it up, what I believe I did was move the BC implementation above BR, replacing BC's "BCS BR , RTS" with a single "BCC BNC2" instruction, which saves 1 byte, not 2 cycles.

      I thought I had optimized away a single SEC/CLC instruction for 2 cycles, but it was an RTS that I eliminated from the footprint, but not from the actual execution flow, making use of a preexisting RTS. Given an equal amount of BC branches & non-branches, the cycle count would have remained the same, but dangit it's one whole byte shorter! :-)

    12. Re:True geek by White+Flame · · Score: 0

      Btw, the above is a reconstruction. I don't have my original source code; my edits morphed into a larger VM, eventually replacing all the SWEET16-isms with a stack-based architecture. I'm not sure what I wrote above is proper, but it was something around the branching instructions that could be shortened slightly. Remains [citation needed] unfortunately. :-(

    13. Re:True geek by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Woz has done more circuit writing and code writing ingenuity than you will ever hope to accomplish in your life. The Apple and Apple II were more or less him, by himself. Hand drawn circuits were included in tech manuals. Some of the stuff he had to do to get his code into memory is nothing short of magic to most.

    14. Re:True geek by CapuchinSeven · · Score: 1

      Actually, If he was a true "Geek", he'd be on an Android phone, as they are the hackable device now a days, not on the walled garden of Apple and all it regulates. Get your facts, and thoughts straight before you post such fanboi gibberish next time.

      I'm guessing you're 16, never actually heard of the genius that is Woz before you read this article, and are clueless to the fact that he owns several iPhones and several Android phones. Lemme guess, you installed someone else's ROM on your Desire and think that makes you a "hackerz", some of the stuff that Woz did with microchips is frankly genius and you're clearly clueless as to the admiration that real nerds have for him.

    15. Re:True geek by delinear · · Score: 1

      Ditto, I don't own any Apple products, I don't particularly agree with their closed approach, but I don't care if other people enjoy their products and Woz is a great engineering ambassador, I can't really see a reason why GP feels the need to attack the guy. Especially since it seems Woz also enjoys his Android gadgets (ironic that GP was telling others to get their facts straight). Didn't Woz even say that Android would be the dominant OS over time?

    16. Re:True geek by kriegsman · · Score: 1

      Nevertheless, White Flame, you should be proud. The SWEET16 implemention is pretty damn tight. If you can even squeeze out one byte, or one cycle, from a Wozterpiece like that, I say Congratulations, and Well done.

  15. Jailbreak? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The real question is: Does he jailbreak it?

    1. Re:Jailbreak? by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 1

      thats why he has two at home already, he has a apple team secretly port android to it for him then kills them afterward just to make sure the embarrassment to apple never gets out.

      --
      ---Saying gnome 3 is better than windows 8 not so much a compliment as it is damning with light praise.
    2. Re:Jailbreak? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To this day, I'm convinced that Woz was either the real developer behind A-Max (the Amiga Mac emulator), or personally bankrolled its development to bitchslap Jobs for refusing to buy Amiga, Inc and make the Amiga its second-generation Macintosh (running legacy apps under... drumroll... an A-Max emulation layer).

    3. Re:Jailbreak? by Zaphod-AVA · · Score: 1

      Ohmygod... did that nearly happen? aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhh!!

    4. Re:Jailbreak? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In all likelihood, probably not... but there IS a certain logic and rationale to the theory. It was right around the times Woz had a *major* falling out with Jobs over Apple's future. Remember, the Mac was Jobs' baby -- Black & white (not even gray!), sealed box, single-button mouse, the works. Personally, I think it's almost inconceivable that Woz DIDN'T own Amigas. At the time (mid-80s), the Amiga completely toasted every single home PC out there hardware-wise.

  16. Woz has not fallen by perpenso · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...how the mighty have fallen

    He has not fallen. He is a supremely talented engineer and never imagined himself qualified to be an executive. His aspirations were quite different from Jobs. When Woz had a boatload of money he decided to go give back to the community and teach at a public school for a while. He still occasionally gets involved in a startup but it is usually in some engineering or scientific capacity not some kind of executive or management capacity.

    1. Re:Woz has not fallen by Yvan256 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Maybe he was talking about the fact that if he's standing in line on a Segway until tomorrow, the batteries will fail.

    2. Re:Woz has not fallen by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Woz's nightmare would be getting dragged, kicking and screaming, into being the CEO. On the other hand, he'd probably be tickled pink if he were offered the position of CTO (which, if you're a Silicon Valley rockstar, is basically the "I get to do the fun stuff, while that guy over there does the boring business grunt work" position in the company. MBAs dream of being CEO. Engineers dream of being a CTO with veto power over the CEO, so they can tell the CEO to go to hell when he tries to ruin their masterpiece just to shave 17 cents from the manufacturing cost of something intended to retail for several hundred dollars.

  17. Awesome dude by StuartHankins · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Way to show support. Here is an awesome dude, the kind you hope for at your next party.

    1. Re:Awesome dude by abonstu · · Score: 1

      Way to show support.

      ...so like, because the ex-CEO died, apple is a feel good charity now? what exactly is he 'supporting'?

    2. Re:Awesome dude by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You want a bearded middle aged computer genius at your party?
      Must not be much of a party

  18. I'd buy a 4S but.. by Time_Ngler · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can't trust purchase advice from somebody who owns a segway.

    1. Re:I'd buy a 4S but.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First thing on the internet that made me truely lol in a long time :)

    2. Re:I'd buy a 4S but.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He bought a segway, he didn't tell you to buy segway stock. Big difference.

    3. Re:I'd buy a 4S but.. by mysidia · · Score: 1

      I can't trust purchase advice from somebody who owns a segway.

      I understand now... the reason it's named the iPhone 4S and not the iPhone 5.

      The "S" must be short for Segway.

  19. Re:3 *new* iPhones? by Dzimas · · Score: 4, Insightful

    He was the co-founder of an American company that currently employs 49,000 people and actually designs and makes stuff. Don't confuse him with money-churning banking leeches.

  20. I'll get his coffee for him by Quila · · Score: 3, Funny

    If he pays me in $2 bills.

    1. Re:I'll get his coffee for him by mjwx · · Score: 1

      If he pays me in $2 bills.

      Actually he pays in $1S bills.

      --
      Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
    2. Re:I'll get his coffee for him by Quila · · Score: 1

      $2 bills, purchased in sheets, bound into a book and perforated so he can tear off as tips.

    3. Re:I'll get his coffee for him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what do you care about $2 bills for? you can buy them for $2 each at most banks and credit unions.

    4. Re:I'll get his coffee for him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For those who don't get the joke: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ1TIYxm1vM

    5. Re:I'll get his coffee for him by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1
      Actually everybody expects a $2 bill from him, but then it turns out to be a $1S.

      (explaining the OP's joke)

    6. Re:I'll get his coffee for him by Quila · · Score: 1

      you can buy them for $2 each at most banks and credit unions.

      But they're not Woz bills.

  21. What a nerd! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    15 years ago, I would have understood this behavior. Don't get me wrong, having a still more powerful, well-designed communications/computing appliance that can fit in the palm of your hand is something to get excited about, but Woz could design his own and buy more than 500 of them if he wanted to. This sort of technology has reached a level of elegance where it hides all of its internal functionality and loses a lot of its novelty. Four+ generations on, freaking out over a nifty cell phone is kind of like getting obsessed over colored aluminum foil.

    1. Re:What a nerd! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WHOA!!! Where can I get colored aluminum foil??? Finally some style for my hats!!!

    2. Re:What a nerd! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure someone makes anodized aluminium foil.

    3. Re:What a nerd! by delinear · · Score: 1

      That's only what they'd like you to believe.

  22. Camping out? by Scutter · · Score: 1

    I can't imagine there's a single Apple "first-in-liner" that wouldn't let Woz cut to the front of the line if he showed up at the last minute.

    --

    "Tell me doctor, with all of your defenses, are there any provisions for an attack by killer bees?"
    1. Re:Camping out? by zr · · Score: 2

      Just as I can't imagine Woz cutting in line. Mischief against the system, maybe, but not against fellow geeks.

    2. Re:Camping out? by Kozz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I can't imagine there's a single Apple "first-in-liner" that wouldn't let Woz cut to the front of the line if he showed up at the last minute.

      I can only imagine the kids in line saying, "Who the fuck are you?" Kids these days...

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      I only post comments when someone on the internet is wrong.
    3. Re:Camping out? by failedlogic · · Score: 2

      me

    4. Re:Camping out? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I can imagine Woz cutting in line and yes some people have complained about it.

      If it were me, I'd let him cut, but only in exchange for an autograph :)

    5. Re:Camping out? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      most people camping for an iPhone don't know who he is.

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    6. Re:Camping out? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, I missed something: buying an iPhone is done by geeks?

      I never considered an iPhone to give geek cred.

    7. Re:Camping out? by mjwx · · Score: 1

      I can't imagine there's a single Apple "first-in-liner" that wouldn't let Woz cut to the front of the line if he showed up at the last minute.

      I can imagine that 95% of people in your average Apple line know who Woz is.

      In Australia that number is closer to 99% as the kind of people who buy Iphones buy them as fashion accessories, not as phones.

      --
      Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
    8. Re:Camping out? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This would be true at most Apple stores around the country, but he's at the store in Los Gatos where almost everyone knows who he is. Practically all of the smartest tech minds in the U.S. are here in the bay area and Apple is very popular...

    9. Re:Camping out? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, they saw him on dancing with the stars.

    10. Re:Camping out? by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1
    11. Re:Camping out? by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1

      most people camping for an iPhone don't know who he is.

      Heck, some iPhone users don't even recognize Steve Jobs.

    12. Re:Camping out? by delinear · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I missed something: buying an iPhone is done by geeks?

      I never considered an iPhone to give geek cred.

      I never considered that a true geek would put "cred" above playing with new and interesting gadgets, whatever their origin.

  23. Re:3 *new* iPhones? by FooAtWFU · · Score: 1

    Hey, somebody needs to pay 50% of the taxes in this country. :P

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  24. who gets phone #2 before his wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So he has 2 phones being delivered to his home, but he wants a 3rd one for his wife?

    Is the second phone for his lover? His wifes lover? A pet? All of the above?

    1. Re:who gets phone #2 before his wife? by wsxyz · · Score: 1

      He usually carries 2 or 3 iPhones (ATT, Verizon, backup) plus whatever new Android phone catches his fancy.

    2. Re:who gets phone #2 before his wife? by Princeofcups · · Score: 5, Funny

      So he has 2 phones being delivered to his home, but he wants a 3rd one for his wife?

      Is the second phone for his lover? His wifes lover? A pet? All of the above?

      He's an engineer. One to take apart, and one to keep and use. He's waiting in line because his wife reminded him that she would like one too. :-)

      --
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    3. Re:who gets phone #2 before his wife? by Overzeetop · · Score: 2

      (+1 funny, and...)

      Woz has two phones, one black and one white. They phone numbers end with 1 and 0, and the color of the phone corresponds to the standard resistor color stripe numbering. He is the ubergeek.

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    4. Re:who gets phone #2 before his wife? by Kyont · · Score: 1

      Aha!
      Call the 0 phone, let it ring... hang up...
      Call the 1 phone, let it ring... hang up...
      And so on... See, you can send Woz a binary message which he could re-construct just by looking at the timestamps of the missed calls on his phones! Number of cell-phone minutes used? Zero! The cell phone companies will soon be on to his little scheme!

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  25. Re:3 *new* iPhones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Left out one rather significant part... "He was the co-founder of Apple Computer, that currently employs..."

  26. Re:3 *new* iPhones? by KaoticEvil · · Score: 0

    And yet still be able to afford THREE **NEW** iPhones.. Yeah, I feel *NO* pity for the 1%ers who pay 50% of the taxes when they have 90% of the wealth, Meanwhile, people like myself and my family live hand-to-mouth, and hope we have enough money to pay the rent and car insurance next month.

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  27. How little respect by assemblerex · · Score: 1

    can apple have for one of it's founders that they won't slide him a $300 gadget????

    1. Re:How little respect by Thaedron · · Score: 1

      They probably would if he asked, but he probably doesn't ask.

    2. Re:How little respect by mysidia · · Score: 1

      can apple have for one of it's founders that they won't slide him a $300 gadget????

      He'd probably be waiting in line even if they did. I suspect he's bored/needs to get out some and wants to do the whole wait-in-line experience for his personal amusement. :)

    3. Re:How little respect by ckthorp · · Score: 1

      It isn't that they wouldn't give him one free, it's that they know he would refuse to take it without paying for it.

    4. Re:How little respect by SecurityGuy · · Score: 1

      Then again, he ceased to be relevant to Apple, oh, a couple decades ago. Why aren't we over this guy yet? And by "we", I don't really mean "we".

    5. Re:How little respect by SigmundFloyd · · Score: 1

      To real computer geeks, Woz will always be relevant, unlike and in spite of you.

      --
      Knowledge is power; knowledge shared is power lost.
  28. Well good for him by BetaDays · · Score: 0

    Well good for him

    --
    Paul: Father... father, the sleeper has awakened! - Dune
  29. Re:3 *new* iPhones? by moozey · · Score: 1

    What on earth makes you think he paid for them? He co-founded the company... as if he doesn't get any Apple product he wants for free.

  30. good line by Darth+Cider · · Score: 1

    Woz was also first in line to design an Apple computer. That's still one of the coolest things anyone has ever done. The snarky commenters here ought to contemplate this Zen riddle: "What did the bald man say about his comb?" (A: "I'll never part with it.") If Woz wants to hang out with other Apple fans and show his enthusiasm, why paint it as anything but a guy trying to have some fun? I wonder what question Woz will ask Siri on his first try.

    1. Re:good line by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder what question Woz will ask Siri on his first try.

      Who's your daddy!

  31. The Woz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He is no Steve....Oh wait.

  32. Whittapics by tvalley000 · · Score: 1

    Gary Whitta has pics up on G+, as he is in the same line with Woz: https://plus.google.com/114522811866073303399/posts

  33. Re:3 *new* iPhones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If it looks like a duck, and it walks like a duck, and pays taxes like a duck, then it's pretty certain to taste JUST like a duck.

    It's not a matter of choice. You can idolize the Woz all you want, but don't kid yourself: he's not one of us.

  34. Re:3 *new* iPhones? by jo42 · · Score: 0

    ...actually designs and makes stuff...

    "Designed in California", built by dirt cheap labor in China. Big fraking difference there.

  35. Woz ain't stupid by macshit · · Score: 1

    Remember the last time Woz said something slightly skeptical in public about a modern Apple product, Steve smacked him down good and hard. Woz isn't gonna make that mistake again!

    [Dead, schmead; it could be a trick!]

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  36. Short memory? by oscill8ory · · Score: 1
  37. Nothing wrong with it, but... by afabbro · · Score: 0

    ...honestly, he doesn't have something more interesting to do with his time?

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    1. Re:Nothing wrong with it, but... by geekmux · · Score: 1

      ...honestly, he doesn't have something more interesting to do with his time?

      Please try and keep the disease that has ravaged most of Hollywood away from the "celebrities" of tech today...I'd rather Steve stay rather grounded and find something like this the "more interesting" thing to do rather than to act like most birthed from reality TV, stricken down with narcissistic elitism.

      I find this activity rather refreshing, to be honest...

  38. wtf is wrong with /. ? by gearloos · · Score: 0

    Seriously, is /. so hurting for articles that this is news? Former Owner of a company and still good friend off senior engineering staff lines up to buy new product. Where is the story there? Seriously. I know this will be modded into the abyss for (1) saying anything bad about Apple, (2) for saying anything bad about /. (3) saying anything about Apple after we have no Jobs... Well, in the spiritual way, not economic... oh.. yeah... that.. well nevermind...

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    1. Re:wtf is wrong with /. ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As someone else wrote, he could walk into Apple, meet Tim Cook and get one, or two, or however many complimentary phones he likes. Standing in line outside a store does sound like a publicity stunt, given how he could otherwise have gotten it.

    2. Re:wtf is wrong with /. ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're overreacting. It's a funny tidbit of news about a very famous tech guy, which is quite relevant to Slashdot.

  39. The story should read Hacker falls from grace by gearloos · · Score: 0

    The story should read Hacker falls from grace as that would mean that a former hacker has tipped his hat, and decided to follow the path of take what you are given and (except for the jailbreak) Do exactly as you are told. Why is every comment holding this as momentus? I only see that he has given in to the corporate rule. If he was still as spirited as I remember, he'd be plugging away on Android right about now.

    --
    "Computers are a lot like Air Conditioners" "They both work great until you start opening Windows"
    1. Re:The story should read Hacker falls from grace by Scowler · · Score: 1
      Hacker? Who cares.

      Developer? Somebody who actually *contributes* something? Well, the APIs for both platforms are both sufficiently open and well documented. In other words, troll somewhere else please.

  40. Re:3 *new* iPhones? by AsmCoder8088 · · Score: 2

    Well, hey, the moment the majority of Americans decide to quit buying stuff that's made in China, Apple will set up factories in the US.

    But I don't see that happening any time soon, as most people prefer low cost above all else. Blame consumers, not Apple.

  41. I don't care, he's still a d-bag. by greycortex · · Score: 1

    That guy stole my wife's seat at a talk at Maker Faire this year, and then tried to steal the second one that she moved to. That's the short version of an awkward and weird story. I bet he stole that dude's seat in the photos.

    1. Re:I don't care, he's still a d-bag. by gearloos · · Score: 1

      Hey, any guy that would go on dancing with the stars in pink can't fall to that level for attention... You must be lying...

      --
      "Computers are a lot like Air Conditioners" "They both work great until you start opening Windows"
    2. Re:I don't care, he's still a d-bag. by greycortex · · Score: 1

      Oh, he wasn't doing it for the attention, he really wanted the chair that she happened to be sitting in. He made some noise about getting a seat for his wife, who just had foot surgery, so she gladly gave the seat the first time. She moved across the hall to someplace else, but he came by and tried to get that one. The oddest bit was that, despite the energy wasted playing musical chairs, he didn't even stay twenty minutes into the talk.

  42. Woz does love the voice control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.infoworld.com/d/applications/wozniak-voice-recognition-computings-next-frontier-389

    I remembered hearing about voice control on the next iPhone months ago. I guess he had some inside info.

  43. Re:3 *new* iPhones? by ediron2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    don't kid yourself: he's not one of us.

    As is so plainly evidenced by his eagerness to sit in line overnight with other iphone-geeking gadget-happy wonks. He could get another phone delivered, and he's hanging out all night.

    <sarc> Yeah, the dude has so-oo completely forgotten what it is to be a nerd. </sarc>

  44. 6510 derived from 6502 or 65C02? by perpenso · · Score: 0

    My recollection is a bit fuzzy, its been decades since doing 6502 assembly on Apple IIs and C64s, but didn't 65C02 add a txy (transfer x and y registers) and possibly a few other opcodes? I'm not sure if 6510 was derived from 6502 or 65C02. If the later then C64 programmers had some opcodes Woz did not. Legal opcodes I should add.

    1. Re:6510 derived from 6502 or 65C02? by White+Flame · · Score: 0

      The 6510 was derived from the plain 6502, and has the exact same set of opcodes. I'm not sure about the "illegal opcodes", since I think I've only ever used them once (and never in doing robust things like these bytecode VMs).

    2. Re:6510 derived from 6502 or 65C02? by ejasons · · Score: 1

      My recollection is a bit fuzzy, its been decades since doing 6502 assembly on Apple IIs and C64s, but didn't 65C02 add a txy (transfer x and y registers) and possibly a few other opcodes?

      And an unconditional relative branch (BRA) instruction. Can you believe that the 6502 didn't have an unconditional branch? You had to do something like "SEC; BRC xxx" instead, to use one of the conditional branches. Weird...

  45. Time for him to take over... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... Apple - succeed Jobs as the board chairman?

    Incidentally, anybody know whether he continued to use Macs all these years?

  46. An MBA is an add-on by perpenso · · Score: 1

    ... MBAs dream of being CEO ...

    I got to call you on that one. An MBA is an add-on, it is not a core area of study. MBA students enter a program with various degrees, some may be business and accounting but others are scientific and engineering. I was one of the later, BS and MS in CS. I'd say about a third of my class came from scientific and engineering backgrounds. The MBA is an accountant meme is an urban myth. In my MBA program when 5 to 6 person groups (persistent, for group projects in core classes) were assigned they were careful to make sure each team had someone with an account background, teams tended to have only 1 or 2.

    An MBA does not make you an expert in a field like an MS/MA may in another area of study. An MBA is more of a survey. You study all aspects of a business so that you can see the bigger picture and so that you may more effectively communicate with others outside your particular area of expertise.

    Many MBAs would be thrilled to be CTO. Some geeks want to start their own company and look to an MBA to give them a broader perspective, understanding only the tech can be a recipe for disaster. How many late 70s tech startups failed because they had two Wozs and no Jobs, someone has to know how to sell things. Some of these geeks are wisely being a bit defensive, especially at small companies and/or startups. The mythical notion of being a tech guy pairing up with a business guy and each keeping to his own area is another recipe for disaster. Personally I suggest that the tech guy learn enough about business and accounting so that he can understand what the other guy is doing. I've seen friends get royally screwed by trying to focus only on the tech side. The IRS does not recognize any such division of responsibility, if you are one of the partners you are financially responsible for what all the other partners do.

  47. He's always had my respect by FyberOptic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wow, lots of unexpected harsh comments regarding Woz here.

    Woz is just a nice guy. He likes to talk to people, especially when they share similar interests (Apple products in this case). This is the same guy who was so into computers that he regularly attended the Homebrew Computer Club, and sought out people who knew things he didn't (like about the phone system). It's also the same guy who works with young people to get them interested in programming and computers. He's a people person, even if he can seemingly be a bit shy sometimes.

    So why do people have to insert some kind of agenda into the guy's actions? He makes like $400 a month from Apple to not do anything, so he isn't exactly working for their marketing department. Whether his appearance makes a 30-second spot on the local evening news (which going by the media's interest in Woz compared to Jobs, maybe not), and if he's lucky sells a few more iPhones in his town to fans who were probably on the fence about buying it anyway, doesn't benefit him personally. And Woz standing in a line simply isn't going to generate any significant sales nationally either to make any noticeable impact on Apple's bottom line. Especially when you consider that the average Apple fan these days quite frankly (and sadly) may have no idea who the guy is.

    Jobs wasn't a very nice person. Not only do I understand peoples' dislike of the guy, I share it. But I honestly can just never understand any strong negative feelings about Woz. I personally have no interest in Apple or their products these days, but Woz is still a role model to someone like myself who's interested in programming and electronics. And I love to hear about his pranks, since I've been known to pull one here or there as well. People can blow Steve Jobs up into a visionary or Jesus or whatever other nonsense and I'll still never respect the guy. But Woz will always have my respect.

    Seriously, how many respectable role models are even left out there anymore, especially for young people?

    1. Re:He's always had my respect by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Jobs wasn't a very nice person. Not only do I understand peoples' dislike of the guy, I share it. But I honestly can just never understand any strong negative feelings about Woz.

      Maybe they're annoyed that Woz keeps getting all the credit for being the 'nice one' when Jobs gets looked down on still for something he did 30 years ago.

      A good way to judge people is see what people around the guy think of him (think Newt Gengrich.....the people who've known him the longest hate him the most). Steve seems to have a lot of people who really respect him a lot. He may have a temper, but I'd guess underneath that he has something good in him.

      Also, it doesn't have to be one or the other. Both Woz and Jobs are guys who did amazing things. You can like them both.

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    2. Re:He's always had my respect by IrrepressibleMonkey · · Score: 1

      Woz is just a nice guy... Jobs wasn't a very nice person. Not only do I understand peoples' dislike of the guy, I share it. But I honestly can just never understand any strong negative feelings about Woz.

      Do actually know or have any personal experience of either of these guys? If not, your opinion is no more useful than the negativity that you don't understand. You might as well post to tell us which is your favourite Power Ranger...

      For the record, I like Red.

    3. Re:He's always had my respect by FyberOptic · · Score: 1

      So you offer two absolutes on whether my post is useful or not, complete with sarcasm, and apparently never considered the usefulness of your own post.

      Sounds like a) somebody needs to feel important by replying to comments which got marked a certain score, and/or b) you love Steve Jobs a little too much and it bothers you when somebody else has justifiable reasons not to.

      And everybody knows Tommy was the best Power Ranger.

    4. Re:He's always had my respect by JohnRoss1968 · · Score: 1

      The WOZ isn't even human. He's an Overgrown Teddy-bear with a brain the size of a greyhound bus.
      (Maybe hes a Teddy Ruxpin from 1000 years into the future)
      Give the guy a break. He obviously looked up to Steve Jobs and is missing him. Hes also probably feeling a little lonely. So it makes sense to me he would want to hang out with people who share a similar interest.
      As for the story of him helping out a lady with a tech problem at an Apple store...I wouldn't be surprised if it were true.
      Slashdot should do an Ask The Woz interview. That would be interesting.

    5. Re:He's always had my respect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quite right too. I've never met Woz, but he only made a good impression. Jobs, on the other hand...

    6. Re:He's always had my respect by cbope · · Score: 1

      Could not agree with your post more. Woz was one of the original geeks and still is.

    7. Re:He's always had my respect by IrrepressibleMonkey · · Score: 1

      Actually, I merely bristle at the willingness of a large section of the tech community to deride Jobs as "bad person" and laud Woz as "good person" - an assessment not accepted by Wozniak himself.
      We don't know these guys; we read stuff from guys who don't these guys, that may or may not be accurate - I just think we should bear that in mind before making personal judgements.
      Screw Tommy.

    8. Re:He's always had my respect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spot on Sir. particularly about role models too.

    9. Re:He's always had my respect by FyberOptic · · Score: 1

      I don't think a single incident 30 years ago is why most people who dislike Steve Jobs feel the way they do. That's certainly the case for me. I can give him credit for being a good business man, but my opinion on him as a person will likely never change. Similarly, I will likely never see him as this visionary inventor that the media and fans have built him up to be, either. There are people who believe Jobs built the Apple I and II with his bare hands because of all that mess, when his hands had nothing to do with building either one. It'd ridiculous the way they trumped him up as such a great person, with countless tributes as if a saint had died, when he wasn't even charitable, let alone nice.

      But much as I've done my homework on Jobs over the years, I have for Woz as well, and there isn't a single thing that comes to mind that he ever did or said which makes me think negatively of the guy. That's the difference between them.

      So it's simply a matter of not wanting to like them both. Those who want to overlook his flaws are certainly welcome, though, since everyone is entitled to an opinion.

    10. Re:He's always had my respect by JohnRoss1968 · · Score: 1

      RED SUCKS BLUE IS COOL......
      I agree people tend to judge celebrities like Steve Jobs based on one or two extreme things they may or may not have done in the past.
      If I was running a huge company and had the lives of thousands of employees and the families resting on my shoulders, I would probably toss a chair or two if some boneheaded manager kept screwing the pooch.
      I am not a big Apple fan. I have only owned 2 Apple products. An Apple II-C (yeah I am that damn old) and an Ipod touch 2nd gen (I only paid $30 bucks for it)
      I also can not understand some of the decisions made by Apple (no usb support, not letting users have the ability to upgrade their won storage on the iProducts ect) but I respect Steve Jobs. He had an idea of what computers should be able to do for us in our everyday lives and took no prisoners to make that idea a reality.
      That's something I respect. To all of the people who are putting down Steve Jobs (usually based on rumor and heresay) what have you done to achieve YOUR dreams.
      How many days did you spend building that dream instead of watching TV or surfing the web???
      Those who can do
      Those who cant teach
      Those who cant even do that bitch on websites about those who can.

    11. Re:He's always had my respect by Jeppe+Salvesen · · Score: 1

      Jobs wasn't a very nice person. Not only do I understand peoples' dislike of the guy, I share it.

      Oh please. Of course, I've never met Steve Jobs, but still: Sure he was a very demanding boss and unscrupulous strategist, but that would not automatically make him a bad person in all aspects of life (unless you consider moneymaking and bossing all there is to life)

      --

      Stop the brainwash

    12. Re:He's always had my respect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Woz is a role model how a technical hero can be made into a marketing puppet. Shameless and insufferable. Also he is not a regular guy. More markteting.

    13. Re:He's always had my respect by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Maybe they're annoyed that Woz keeps getting all the credit for being the 'nice one' when Jobs gets looked down on still for something he did 30 years ago.

      Dude, even "get these damn scribble pads out of my office!" *throw* isn't 30 years ago. Jobs was well-known for being an asshole, and only his bout with cancer was enough to get people to stop saying so, because they felt guilty. But he brought us a walled garden and no shortage of arrogance ("you're holding it wrong") so from where I'm sitting he was the same guy he always was right up until he died.

      Speaking of holding it wrong, I note that the iPhone 4S has a redesigned antenna that makes the iPhone 4 case accessories not fit it, so you have to buy them all over again. I figure they redesigned it to solve the problem of people holding it wrong - you're supposed to shove it up your arse.

      Also, it doesn't have to be one or the other. Both Woz and Jobs are guys who did amazing things. You can like them both.

      Or you could think Steve Jobs was an asshole who did amazing things, and that Wozniak is a nice guy who did amazing things. That's OK too.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    14. Re:He's always had my respect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously, how many respectable role models are even left out there anymore, especially for young people?
       
      Tons of them actually. The problem is how people define a role model. There are tons of people who get up everyday and put their best foot forward even if their jobs aren't the most rewarding. If the people in the Occupy movement had half the integrity of these people there would be no movement, there would be too much honest progress in their lives for such nonsense. If students today had half of this self-starting motivation the US would have the best test scores in the world and on half the budget.
       
      The concept of attitude "making the man" has gotten lost in the past couple of generations. Or at least it's meaning has become highly distorted.

    15. Re:He's always had my respect by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      If I had mod points, you'd get them - dead on.

      --
      Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
    16. Re:He's always had my respect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What are you, like 80 years old?

    17. Re:He's always had my respect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a long time Apple user, and so a few months back when Apple was having it's 35th anniversary, on a lark, I sent a congratulatory message to the Woz via his Facebook page. He didn't write back, but he sent me a friend request. I think he "friends" just about everyone. In any case, how could I say no -- and why would I want to? From everything I know about him, he's a great guy.

    18. Re:He's always had my respect by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      I note that the iPhone 4S has a redesigned antenna that makes the iPhone 4 case accessories not fit it, so you have to buy them all over again.

      I'm not sure I'm reading you right on this one, but are you REALLY complaining that a new phone has a new shape? Because that's what it sounds like you're complaining about. But that's besides the point.

      The fact is, no one is perfect. You sir, are often a troll. But that doesn't mean you are a bad person or even that you're wrong. It's a mistake to judge someone by a single character trait. I had a grandpa who was quite crotchety, to the point that I was scared of him growing up. But after a while I realized he had a big heart and actually was quite generous.

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    19. Re:He's always had my respect by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure I'm reading you right on this one, but are you REALLY complaining that a new phone has a new shape? Because that's what it sounds like you're complaining about.

      they moved some buttons over like 2 to 4 mm, to accomodate the move of the antenna seam. That's it, but it's enough to render your hardcases useless, and it's hard to believe that it was necessary.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    20. Re:He's always had my respect by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      they moved some buttons over like 2 to 4 mm, to accomodate the move of the antenna seam. That's it, but it's enough to render your hardcases useless, and it's hard to believe that it was necessary.

      The amount I know about antennas is not anywhere near sufficient to make a comment on that point.

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    21. Re:He's always had my respect by FyberOptic · · Score: 1

      I'm not referring to simply being demanding. I'm referring to all of the other rather inexcusable things, verified by people who knew him (including Woz himself in various cases). Such as screaming at and belittling employees (at both Apple and NeXT), not acknowledging his child under false claims of being sterile, parking his plateless Mercedes in handicap spaces, being rude to fans and journalists, taking advantage of Woz for monetary gain (which yes even Woz admits, such as with the Breakout debacle), nearly getting Woz arrested one time (while selfishly attempting to not get arrested himself) and almost shot another, very public feuds with companies who didn't meet his arguably unrealistic expectations (IBM and Adobe being the most well-known), not being charitable (with either Apple's money or his own), etc.

      He was simply not a swell guy. There is more than enough evidence and witnesses to back that up. While Woz still considered Jobs his friend (since Woz is a genuinely nice guy), that doesn't mean Woz hasn't also repeatedly admitted the things that Jobs did. That's because it's wrong to portray a man as something he's not. If Woz can tell the truth about his long-time friend, fans should be able to accept and admit it as well.

      Basically, he can have been a total jerk and still have accomplished things which certain people can admire him for.

    22. Re:He's always had my respect by 666999 · · Score: 1

      You say 'walled garden' as if it's a bad thing for regular users. You and I can jailbreak if we want full portable computer functionality.
      The way it is now: stock iPhone means no malware, stock Android means you can get malware since Google doesn't check any apps unless they get complaints, and by then lots of damage has already been done.
      So, iOS walled garden=good for regular users, Android apps-from-anywhere=malware=fine for us, but not for regular people.

    23. Re:He's always had my respect by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      There's ways to handle a button shift with plastic, so all you really have to know about the subject you could have learned by ripping some cellphones apart and considering the use of this material; buttons are often relocated that far away from the apparent touch point with a piece of it.

      Also, can you seriously imagine someone coming to Steve Jobs and saying "we can fix the antenna problem that made you look like a gigantic asshole on stage more than once, but we have to move these buttons over rendering all hardcases useless" and him saying "well, you need to fix that to maintain the user experience!" Hell no. It's opportunity. The chipped iPod peripherals prove that.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    24. Re:He's always had my respect by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      You can't hold up Google's failure to create a comfortable middle ground between not enough control and too much control as evidence that it cannot be done. It is, however, a bit inexplicable.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    25. Re:He's always had my respect by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      The fact is, no one is perfect. You sir, are often a troll.

      No, I am often wrong. But when I state my opinion, it's mine.

      The difference between me and someone else is willingness to express something that might be wrong. Well, and willingness to be an asshole to make a point. If I think the point can't be made nicely, or if I just get angry and lose my shit, then I sometimes act like an asshole. I'm not proud of it, but there it is; point is, I'm not a troll, just an occasional jackass.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    26. Re:He's always had my respect by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      I'm not a troll, just an occasional jackass.

      lol sure, describe yourself however you want.

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    27. Re:He's always had my respect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow I thought I'd never see that, a non negative nice well thought out and great comment, on Slashdot. If I had points I would but instead here is +1 10^100 internets congrats haha.

    28. Re:He's always had my respect by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      lol sure, describe yourself however you want.

      "Troll" has a definition, and I don't fit it. When you get a grasp on English, you may respond.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
  48. Re:3 *new* iPhones? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    What a 1%er.

    More like 0.00001%er, based on his accomplishments.

    If he's getting one for his wife at the store, that means the first two are for him.

    My guess: 1 to use, 1 to take apart.

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    OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
  49. Re:3 *new* iPhones? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    What on earth makes you think he paid for them? He co-founded the company... as if he doesn't get any Apple product he wants for free.

    Consider the hassle involved with arranging for free product vs. making a credit card purchase, where in the time it takes to complete the online order he'll have made more in interest on his wealth than is spent on the order.

    I wouldn't bother.

    --
    My God, it's Full of Source!
    OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
  50. Re:3 *new* iPhones? by moozey · · Score: 1

    Unless that "hassle" is simply someone from Apple calling him up and asking if he wants one. Or in this case two.

  51. Geek? by LostMyBeaver · · Score: 1

    Umm... Woz is a nerd... but yes... geeks would attempt to gain status in their geekdom by allowing someone of such nerdom to cut in line.

    Remember that nerds are people that actually know things... modern day computer geeks are generally people who try to pass themselves off as nerds... of course, many nerds prefer to pass themselves off as normal people, a feat that is generally unreachable for geeks.

    1. Re:Geek? by Nursie · · Score: 1

      "Remember that nerds are people that actually know things... modern day computer geeks are generally people who"

      I don't remember being signing a contract for a particular label.

      To me a geek is someone that gets, well, geeky about something, any of a wide variety of things in fact. And a nerd is just a pasty-looking thin guy with stupid glasses, that may or may not be smart but certainly isn't a people-person.

  52. So sad by DrXym · · Score: 1, Insightful

    It's a phone. People are camping out for a fucking phone.

    1. Re:So sad by CapuchinSeven · · Score: 2

      So? It's their free time, let them do with it as they will. How is sitting at home and watching the X-Factor any better?

    2. Re:So sad by DrXym · · Score: 1

      Yeah it's their free time and it's still deeply sad.

    3. Re:So sad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a phone. People are camping out for a fucking phone.

      Camping out for Episode One was the best Star Wars experience to be had in recent memory.

      Why should a phone be any different?

    4. Re:So sad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a phone. People are camping out for a fucking phone.

      Even sadder: It bothers you.

    5. Re:So sad by old+and+new+again · · Score: 1

      i have more respect for people camping for phones than i have for people occupying wall street instead of finding a job

    6. Re:So sad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lots of people are camping out for a phone. Much more so than what you would usually see lining up for a movie or video game. I don't know what to call it: widespread addiction or a powerful cult. There's no way in hell that this phone is so ground breaking, so life changing, that all these people need to have it on day 1. Whoever runs Apple's marketing department is set for life, and a genius in his or her own right.

      To those of you who lined up last night, I pity you, really. A year from now you'll be looking at your iPhone 4S going, "Man this thing is old and outdated... I've already skipped on one generation so I guess I owe it to myself to buy the new iPhone 5XGS."

    7. Re:So sad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm camping out too, but I'm at #OccupyOakland instead of #OccupyTheAppleStore.

  53. Woz's Tick. by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Stuff like this is what makes Woz tick. He's a bit of an extroverted geek that loves to play. Read up on some of the stories on the original Apple and Apple II. The stuff the man did with chips and coding was nothing short of genius.

    He went out into the iPad lines and did magic tricks. Why? Because he could.

    Steve Jobs was driven by perfection of design. Features would not be implemented 95%, it had to be perfect. Woz is driven by fun. He loves practical jokes, he loves being creative. I can't describe him other than he is just Woz.

    What he does with his life is my envy and should probably be the envy of almost every slashdotter out there. Imagine if you had enough money to just camp out before Debian/Ubuntu/Fedora/Apache/[Random FOSS Project]/Microsoft/Apple made a new release. Or could just.... do what ever the hell you wanted. He could sit at home, in his mansion and own everything Apple ever released but he doesn't.

    1. Re:Woz's Tick. by blind+monkey+3 · · Score: 1

      A person generous with his own time, not just his persuit of tax deductions. kudos, Woz.

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    2. Re:Woz's Tick. by dintech · · Score: 1

      Just bought an iPhone with no queueing at Carphone Warehouse in Surrey Quays, London. I just walked up at 9:20am and there were two other people behind me, it opened at 9:30am. I don't know why people feel it's necessary to go to the Covent Garden Apple Store and queue overnight (or longer). Even the O2 store in the same mall had a massive queue. I got an O2 12 month contract upgrade.

    3. Re:Woz's Tick. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if you had enough money to just camp out before Debian...

      has someone told you you don't need to camp outside any Linux building to get new software from them???

    4. Re:Woz's Tick. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Technically if you got there ten minutes early and there were two people behind you, you were queueing. Obviously you were at the front of the queue so you had the least amount of time to wait in line, but you were still in a queue.

    5. Re:Woz's Tick. by Joce640k · · Score: 2

      Yep. He came to Campus Party here in Spain last year and had plenty of time for everybody. He's a totally cool guy.

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    6. Re:Woz's Tick. by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      I don't know why people feel it's necessary to go to the Covent Garden Apple Store and queue overnight (or longer).

      So they can say they've done it...?

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    7. Re:Woz's Tick. by Grizzley9 · · Score: 1

      Steve Jobs was driven by perfection of design. Features would not be implemented 95%, it had to be perfect. Woz is driven by fun. He loves practical jokes, he loves being creative. I can't describe him other than he is just Woz.

      To me this relationship that Woz and Jobs had was similar to what was portrayed by Flynn and Clue in the movie Tron Legacy. Esp highlighting the ending scene where Clue (Jobs) is angry/confused with Flynn (Woz) that he was just trying to create the perfect system :Tron final scene

    8. Re:Woz's Tick. by dintech · · Score: 1

      That's what Kilimanjaro is for. :)

    9. Re:Woz's Tick. by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      The fever's about the the same ... it's just that Apple fans get out of the house more often.

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    10. Re:Woz's Tick. by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Ah, but to build a bridge between the twin peaks of Kilimanjaro...

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    11. Re:Woz's Tick. by LocutusMIT · · Score: 1

      Ironically enough, Kili actually has three peaks.

    12. Re:Woz's Tick. by Capt.DrumkenBum · · Score: 1

      Woz has a Nixie tube watch. You gotta love a guy like that.
      I think it is this one:
      http://www.cathodecorner.com/nixiewatch/

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    13. Re:Woz's Tick. by sgbett · · Score: 2

      Classic head and shoulders pattern. It must be about to tank. Sell! Sell!

      Damn, wrong window....

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  54. Re:3 *new* iPhones? by migla · · Score: 1

    >[M]ost people prefer low cost above all else. Blame consumers, not Apple.

    That's a very convenient way for the rich and powerful to view the world. Blame the little guy who really is in charge while the billionaires and multinational megacorps are merely humbly doing our bidding. It's not like there is lobbying or advertising to pervert the system of consumerist power...

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  55. Regulary Guy? by agentgonzo · · Score: 1

    Steve Wozniak is proving two things today. 1. He's a regular guy

    Yes, nothing proves you're a regular guy more than turning up on your Segway...

    1. Re:Regulary Guy? by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      He's a geek, and geeks love tech toys. The Segway was doomed because the hype leading up to it was utter bullshit, but the whole self-balancing thing really is (if you let your inner geek have a say) pretty cool.

      Woz is a geek's geek. He doesn't play by corporate rules. He's a regular guy who has money, but hasn't forgotten that he's human. Its actually quite refreshing.

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  56. Nutty as ever by bryan1945 · · Score: 2

    Gotta love the Woz.

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    1. Re:Nutty as ever by Jaxoreth · · Score: 1

      Gotta love the Woz.

      I do. After seeing this Slashdot article, I drove to Los Gatos so I'd have a chance to chat with him for a bit.

      I was the first one there who wasn't in line for an iPhone. :-)

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  57. Nitpick by robably · · Score: 2

    The article ends by calling Woz "the creator of the Macintosh" - he isn't, he's the creator of the Apple computer. The Mac was Jobs's baby.

    1. Re:Nitpick by Antisyzygy · · Score: 1

      Except Jobs didn't even have the technical capacity to make it "his baby". That's what engineers are for. Jobs was an asshole that got things done by making other people do things his way.

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    2. Re:Nitpick by BitwizeGHC · · Score: 1

      The Macintosh was Jef Raskin's baby. Steve Jobs hated it, and tried to undermine it, until he loved it and (successfully) tried to shanghai it. I wonder if Apple is as successful as it is as much in spite of Jobs as because of him.

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    3. Re:Nitpick by klapaucjusz · · Score: 1

      The Mac was Jobs's baby.

      Andy Hertzfeld might disagree.

      --jch

  58. Old by moresault · · Score: 1

    Is that an old video? He says its Friday the 29th of June? I feel like I saw this video when the Iphone 4 came out.

    1. Re:Old by moresault · · Score: 1

      Sorry just looked it up. June 29, 2007 was the original iphones launch date.

  59. Re:3 *new* iPhones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    don't kid yourself: he's not one of us

    Maybe not, but he hasn't let any of his success change him. Anyone else with Woz's money / connections / whatever would just walk in the front door at 1 Infinite Loop, go directly to Tim Cook's office, and say "Hey Timmy, the two 4S's that I've had for weeks from your R&D department are pretty awesome, so I was hoping I could get another crate of them to hand out to my family when they meet me at the steps of my Gulfstream-V next week."

    Even without founding Apple, he'd still be right there in line for the next highly anticipated gadget.

  60. Whoops, by rograndom · · Score: 1

    I'm think that his wife was expecting a white one and he ordered 2 black ones. "Don't worry honey, I'll get you a white one." "You better."

  61. Re:3 *new* iPhones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple *used* to make all their stuff in a factory they built in California, which was a model of automation at the time. However, everyone started bitching about how expensive Apple stuff was compared to the competition, branded it the "Apple Tax", and then derided anyone who dared to purchase something with an Apple logo on it.

    You reap what you sew.

    Posting anon to preserve moderation.

  62. And the guy's a Freemason, too! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Of course, that only means that he has good character.

  63. First in line? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who cares if you're first in line? That is incredibly sad behaviour. From anyone.
    Haven't you got a life to live instead of being first in line?

  64. Re:3 *new* iPhones? by Tuan121 · · Score: 1

    Modded insightful for blindly following the "banks are evil!" bandwagon?

    But no, you are right. We don't need banks and financial services. They don't provide any valuable services. Just do away with them, then see if you are better off without them.

  65. Did Woz take cuts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did he cut the line this year like he did back in 2007?
    http://fury.com/2007/09/woz-took-cuts/

  66. Good differentiation, but... by LostMyBeaver · · Score: 1

    Geek derives from the term it originally defined which was a circus freak which had no particular talent but defined themselves as a freak by biting the heads of live chickens in front of an audience.

    In a more modern sense, a geek is a person who does something unusual in order to associate themselves with a particular group. Sociologically, it's a means of either separating themselves intentionally or more commonly to find strength in numbers.

    Nerds on the other hand are generally a group of people with a very high aptitude in one thing or another generally academically related. Nerds tend to look funny during their youth as they focus far less on physical appearance and focus far more on their intellectual ambitions. A nerd doesn't try to look like a nerd, it's generally associated with a lack of interest in their person appearance and therefore the nerd simply lets his mother dress him. My son is a nerd, but he doesn't dress like one even though he takes no interest in his appearance. This is because his mother (unlike his father) is not a nerd and would never let her child look like his mother dressed him.

    Upon reaching puberty nerds will start attempting to mate as any person will, but it may take time before they are able to start dressing and behaving as a typical member of society. This is often due to their limited personal financial resources which is generally ruined further by their prioritization of "toys" as opposed to clothing. So they'll do the best they can to use the clothing mommy buys them in the least unfashionable way, though sadly there is only so much you can do with those clothes. The mothers of these children also tend to be a great deal more protective of their children than other mothers and therefore will fight harder to avoid losing their right to dress them. That is why nerds often aren't able to do anything about their appearance until gaining a certain level of financial self-dependence. They will instead during their adolescence attempt to pick up a fashionable hobby... either trying out sports at school, learning to play guitar, or smoking cigarettes or large quantities of marijuana etc. A nerd generally is person with a high aptitude and often highly capable in cerebral topics. In fact, nerds are entirely unable to be identified reliably based on physical appearance.

    A geek on the other hand is a person has no specific talent to define themselves with. They are general among the average in most everything they do. They lack muscular physiques and are self conscious about their visual appearance. In general they aren't even outcasts as they lack anything in particular to be cast out of. Unlike the nerds who are generally confident in their personal abilities in a given subject, they also are often self-conscious about how their intellect is perceived. As a result, they attempt to identify themselves as nerds by appearing similar to a adolescent nerd to allow them to establish relationships with one another to form friendships and also for the sake of self preservation.

    Let's be frank, nerds and geeks generally have a rough time in school and this isn't likely to change any time soon. While nerds often are physically capable of defending themselves, they would prefer not to as it's illogical that it should be necessary. Geeks (not necessarily the fat ones) are generally unable to physically defend themselves in a one-on-one fight as the antagonizers don't tend to ... well antagonize without a audience, the geeks or nerds are almost always outnumbered and most likely outgunned during times of conflict. When geeks and nerds gather in groups, they are less likely targets for physical violence from others and therefore are in a much better and positive situation.

    So, as opposed to biting heads off of live chickens in order to be a member of a group (in that case circus performers), a modern geek chooses the group they will most likely be able to fit in with. The added fact that nerds are generally far more accepting of friends no m