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Nokia Unveils Its First Windows 7 Phone
mikejuk writes with an excerpt from an I Programmer article: "Nokia has just launched the Lumia 800, its first Windows 7 phone, and it is basically a modified N9. CEO Stephen Elop said: 'It's a new dawn for Nokia.' He also called it 'the first real Windows Phone,' and said, 'We believe it is the first ever instantiation of the Windows Phone platform that properly embodies, complements and amplifies the design sensibilities of Windows Phone' ... It is being launched in Europe now but the US wont see one until early 2012."
By "modified N9" they mean the N9 but running WP7 bundled with Nokia's navigation application and a streaming music service.
I dont understand why dont nokia launch in US also? The biggest smartphone market is in US with probably largest no of users. With Europe in deep crisis ,i think it will be hard to gain traction in it . Is nokia strategy flawed in ignoring US Holiday season?
it doesn't stand out. There's nothing in the announcement that isn't something already available on Android and iPhone. Apple and the Android vendors can afford to play games where they leapfrog each other than catch up, then leapfrog again... They're established names in the market and people want an iPhone, a Droid, or A Galaxy as much because they like the brands as because they do something the other guy doesn't. To jump into the market this late in the game Nokia/Microsoft need something new, something to pull people away from their established preferences.
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Here is a comparison:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/26/nokia-lumia-800-vs-nokia-n9-the-tale-of-the-tape/
Also, 4 S40 cellphones (The Asha series) and another Budget WP7 (Lumia 710) cellphone were also announced, and discreetly, a white version of the N9 was also displayed.
The way the N9 was displayed. it was almost like Nokia was embarrassed or something, most sites didn't even notice it was there.
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So... Stephen Elop calls it 'the first real Windows Phone'
I thought this was the first windows phone: http://www.dcviews.com/press/Orange_SPV.htm
Orange was a Microsoft Gold Partner, and I wrote the Orange custom home screen software complete with easter-egg while working for Orange in Leeds.
Now I learn it was all just a dream... it wasn't a REAL windows phone at all... or maybe Elop is too young and inexperienced to remember recent history... ah well..
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It's a long term strategy. Basically Nokia wants to sell itself to MS or some other group at bargain prices.
Or, at least, this is what the current schizophrenic tactics of its management suggest.
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Who cares ? At this point in time, after so many bad decisions on top of each other, Nokia is the new Caldera.
Expect to see it start suing other companies left and right to try and keep afloat. It won't happen rightaway, cause they still make alot of money on non-smart phones, specially in 3rd world countries, but it will happen sometimes in the next 3 years or so.
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Two major factors:
1. Nokia's CEO Stephen Elop was a senior exec for M$ prior being hired as Nokia's CEO
2. M$ offered ~ $1B in incentives to Nokia.
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Nokia Has a Billion Reasons To Love WP7.
By "modified N9" they also mean the different chipset (Qualcomm MSM vs TI OMAP), the different screen size (3.7 inch vs 3.9 inch), different bands (quad band vs pentaband), different WiFi channels (b/g/n vs a/b/g/n), different NFC capability (none vs something), different RAM (512MB vs 1GB) and different storage (16GB vs option of 16GB or 64GB).
But yeah, apart from all that, they are the same device!
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Why Nokia is the pinnacle of human achievement, while the iPhone is a piece of shit
Yeah, except Meego can run Android apps. The problem is that Nokia is obviously uninterested in any OS besides WP7, which is a shame.
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No insight needed. Elop said Google didn't want to give them any input/advance info into Android and they had no way to differentiate properly with it. MS gave them input into WP and they feel they have a bigger chance of differentiating with it.
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No offense, but Elops says a lot of things. Most of them are utterly stupid, like bitching about symbian that has carried a company through last year, and is still growing in spite of CEO telling everyone who bothered to listen to him how much it sucked.
Want a recent example? Nokia unveils it's new phones. Stock jumps up.
Elop steps on stage and starts talking. Stock plummets.
I'm not kidding. It's hilarious just how bad of a speaker he is.
How is their single core, lower resolution screen phone as good as a dual core, high res iPhone 4? Maybe you meant the 3GS.
It sounds like they're two generations behind now.
And really, that's just not a BFD. If Android saw that the world desperately used it and were moving to WP7 because of it, they'd soon get a release out that integrated it.
The whole thing with WP7 is two desperate companies getting together. Microsoft are basically throwing money at getting market share, and think that they're entitled to a large chunk of the market. But what kept Windows and Office in place (getting the lion's share of the market first, formats) just doesn't apply here. And while WP7 might do a few things better, the bulk of people are on Android.
What's funny to me is that MS are chasing Apple and Android when their natural home is stuff for corporates. They should be building a phone that's designed around all their business services, push email, Exchange and asp.net/winforms. Instead they've built a locked phone that's geared around silverlight, so for corporates, it's hopeless.
Even Carmack said he will NOT develop for WP7 due to MS imposing some weird and seamingly stupid restrictions on programming the device. Seeing this other devs stay away and stick with trusty platforms like iPhone and Android. Meego was actually very good, it is a real shame Nokia is abandoning it.
Well because
The iPhone4 is a single core A4 Cortex8 cpu. which is probably slower than the single core Snapdragon in the Nokia phone. Here the Nokia is probably better but the the iPhone4s GPU is really good so it may make the difference. So it could go Nokia or Apple.
The iPhone4 only has a very good 5MP camera while it sounds like the Nokia has a very good 8MP camera with really good optics. Apple has a very good camera Nokia often has great cameras. The new Nokia may actually be better than not just the 4 but the 4s in the camera department.
Screen same size as the iPhone but no where near the resolution. Nokia's LCDs are very good but this is a big win for the iPhone 4.
OS. Some people really like WP7 but IOS is very solid and over all it's much larger users base is very happy with it. I give the win to IOS for now.
Apps. I don't care what people say. IOS has not just a huge App catalog but a huge number of the best apps. Win for the iPhone.
I think you where confusing the 4 with the 4s.
So Nokia may have a better CPU but that is only a maybe and you need to test the GPU as well.
Nokia has a better camera most likely.
The iPhone4 has a better display, larger app catalog, and a rock solid an mature OS with a huge number of apps, a lot of high quality apps, and a huge developer base.
I would say about equal and yes I am putting a large amount of value on the display because that is how you interact with these devices. The Nokia may actually be a bit better than say the 4 or Evo but those are old phones. It is not in the same category as the 4s or Samsung Galaxy II.
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Amongst other reasons, product differentiation.
WP7 has an interface that may or may not be better than the other two major OSs but is clearly different. Some people may prefer it.
If they make an Android phone, they're latecomers to an already crowded market. Why should someone buy a Nokia device when HTC have a range of products, so do Motorola, so do Samsung, so do LG. What can Nokia do to persuade people to buy their phone instead?
Betting on WP7 is a gamble, but it does have the chance of a big payoff, and Microsoft's backing isn't something to be sneezed at.
In Spanish, "Lumia" means "whore"
"Here we are, talking about the Nokia Whore 800 and the Nokia Whore 710, the two newest smartphones by Nokia..."
Nokia Global Marketing fail 101.
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Call me when they announce their last Windows phone.
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This has been covered widely in the business media, best article probably being from Bloomberg
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/11_24/b4232056703101.htm
Why not Android:
[Elop] tried to negotiate a deal with Google to run Android, but Google refused to give the world's biggest phonemaker any advantages over its smaller partners, meaning Nokia's corps of 11,600 engineers would have next to no ability to add their own innovations to Google's software. "It just didn't feel right," Elop says to the crowd. "We'd be just another company distributing Android. That's not Nokia! We need to fight!"
Why Windows Phone:
Elop says his software deal with Microsoft was misconstrued as a Hail Mary to the receiver with the worst hands in the business. Microsoft had just 4 percent of the overall market prior to the Nokia deal. What Nokia didn't gain in market share, however, it hopes to gain in flexibility. The contract grants Nokia the right to stuff almost any innovation it can muster into its Windows Phones
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Actually, it's far less relevant today than nine years ago. Gates actually had some focus on the products. Ballmer is focused on the money. M$ is much more applicable today than at any time in their history.
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The operating system. 1 Year old Samsung Focus vs iPhone 4S: http://zollotech.com/2011/10/21/ios5-vs-wp7-mango-thorough-overview/
I would think it's fairly obvious - the world doesn't need Yet Another Android Maker. They took a big gamble on WP7, either it'll pay off or they're screwed. Going Android wouldn't be a gamble but would have very little upside. And regardless of the neckbeard tittering around here, WP7 has a lot of potential and Nokia could be the premier WP7 phone maker.
Most people know only one thing about smart phones - is it an iPhone or not. Most people have no idea about Android.
You people keep trotting this out but I have yet to see any corroborating evidence for it whatsoever. I hear people that don't know shit about smartphones say they "want an Android". I was talking to my friend's roommate last night and she was asking me what laptop she should get. To cut to the chase, we got around to tablets. I mentioned the iPad and Android tablets. What did she say? "Oh yeah, Android That's on tablets too? I'm thinking about getting 'an Android' on my next phone." People know what Android is. But keep believing your own bullshit, guy.
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AS an owner of two Nokia Smartphones, I won't be buying MS phones, no matter what. And I would have a Nokia Android phone by now, if there was one.
N9 does not have a multi-core CPU either, and it does not hurt much. So I'm questioning how big of a real disadvantage it is to not have a dual-core CPU. Probably shaves something off the bill of materials, too.
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