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Is There an Institutional Bias Against Black Tech Entrepreneurs?
An anonymous reader writes sends this excerpt from CNN:
"The vast majority of top executives at the leading Silicon Valley tech firms are white men. Women and Asians have made some inroads, but African-American and Latino tech leaders remain a rarity. About 1% of entrepreneurs who received venture capital in the first half of last year are black, according to a study by research firm CB Insights. ... 'The tech industry is pretty clubby,' said Hank Williams, an African-American entrepreneur in the NewMe program who had success in the Internet boom of the 1990s. 'There are really no people of color in Silicon Valley.' Others say the issue could be rooted deep within the black community. The NewMe co-founders said African-American families don't typically encourage business leaders or programmers to pursue interests in tech."
Observing an apparent deficiency in demographics is not proof of bias, it is merely an observation of what is.
--- Bill
About 0% of entrepreneurs who received venture capital in the first half of this year are white with my ethnic background.
I'm tired of being lumped together with "rich white men" just because I'm white.
There are 100 times as many white teenagers plastered to their monitor messing around with their computer as there are black teenagers. Since successful tech entrepreneurs tend to be the kids who spent thousands of hours in front of their computer when they were kids, and the kids spending thousands of hours in front of their computer are almost all white (or asian), then of course almost all the tech entrepreneurs will be white.
It's got nothing to do with silicon valley. It's due to the comparative lack of computer availability to young black teens, and a cultural difference where American black culture has a much lower opinion on average of nerdy endeavors as opposed to American white culture.
paintball
Anyone with $50 - $150 and a library card can pretty much obtain a PC and learn how to use it. Craigslist special. Cable companies are offering dirt cheap broadband, as well as various other gimmicks to get cheap net access. An individual so motivated to p0wn da webz only needs to make the time and effort. There has to be 10,000 other occupations with a higher barrier to entry.
My 2 cents.
So this story is based off the CNN documentary "Black in America: Silicon Valley." I haven't seen the actual show, but CNN has been pushing it a lot the past week and showing clips from it.
One really interesting clip that I saw had an Indian who had experience with VCs and start-ups and was also a professor somewhere giving a talk to the African American entrepreneurs.
Now Asians in general, and Indians specifically I don't think are as rare in Silicon Valley and are found amongst high level executives. Additionally, this particular individual was well spoken and articulate, capable of creative thinking, didn't have a strong accent, and in other ways didn't fit the stereotype of an Indian caricature.
However the ONE thing that he said was to get a good looking white guy to be your front man when going to VCs. He said that when we wanted to get funding, he got a (admittedly very capable and accomplished) white guy to be his partner. He said that's just how things work in the Valley. The African American audience he was speaking to was very shocked by this.
The point made was that VCs look for what works. And if they see a bunch of "successful" start-up companies run by young white guys, that's what they look to fund. Plus add in the inherent bias towards good looking white guys in business who fit the common archetype (with as Dilbert says good hair).
While we're on the topic, what about women (white or otherwise)? Are VCs more likely to discount a company being led by women as they're not thought to be "techy"?
So, any thoughts form people with experience here, either for or against this argument. Do all races (not just African Americans) need Caucasian male partners to improve their chances for success.
-"Those who fought today will die tommorow."-
Ever heard of Vinod Khosla? How about legions of Asian programmers? Oh, no people of *his* color. Yeah, just another conspiracy by The Man to keep the bruthas down.
Seriously, when will this victim mentality shit ever end?
This is why people have given Derek Smart such a hard time for all these years. Clubby bastards!
Hammer Time.
Is There an Institutional Bias Against Black Tech Entrepreneurs?
Herman Cain - is that you? Sorry, but I don't think most people would consider Dominos a "tech enterprise".
#DeleteChrome
Let's look at the fundamental facts here. Well, fact, since there's only one inarguable thing:
African-Americans and Latinos are underrepresented in tech-firm leadership.
That's a correlation - executives in the tech industry tend to be white males (who are significantly overrepresented). Asians and white females are more or less as common as expected. Probably a bit less, but not as significantly.
Now, as we all know, correlation does not imply causation. But it does hint pretty heavily that there is something involved. Since I don't have access to many studies, and can't do my own, all I can do is list every possibility I can imagine, and informally think about it.
Possibility 1: There is a specific bias in technology against blacks and latinos. I find that a bit hard to believe - the tech industry trends liberal, and I'm sure plenty of techies would rather have Geordi La Forge for a boss than Gates or Ellison. It's still a possibility, and I'm not saying no techies are racist, but overall, I don't think this is the best explanation.
Possibility 2: There is a specific bias among business executives against blacks and latinos. That I can definitely believe, but I don't have any statistics to support or refute it, and I'm not sure it would explain it fully.
Possibility 3: There is a specific bias amongst blacks and latinos against entering technology. I suspect this may be a contributing factor, perhaps even the main one. It's only anecdotal evidence, but when I was in high school, there were very few african-american students in the tech program, and no hispanics at all. The ones who were there were fine (one of them remains a good friend, and one of the brightest people I've met), but you'd see a lot more in the art or music programs.
Possibility 4: There is a specific bias amongst blacks and latinos against becoming business executives. This probably isn't a major factor, but it may be a small one. At the very least, racial minorities tend to be less wealthy, which would naturally make them less likely to become major business leaders.
Going off gut instinct, I would say it's a combination of business leaders being biased against blacks/latinos, and blacks/latinos not being encouraged by their parents to enter the tech field. That would be my hypothesis. The best way to check would be to look at the independent factors - you should see a bias against blacks/latinos at all levels of technology, and a bias against black/latino business leadership in other industries, but neither bias should be alone as significant as that seen in tech business leadership. I'd look myself, but I haven't even RTFA yet.
What would affirmative action in the Valley look like? And how can it be implemented while we have a sympathetic African-American president?
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
a higher percentage of White and Asian people have access to tech then do most Latino and Black people?
"some of my best friends are black. or.. i mean. indians are black right? "
-- Johnny V., CEO Status Quo Capital
...but there is a socioeconomic one in the United States...
Note: Correlation does not imply causality.
Even if that's true for some people, some other people are going to look past those issues to find good things to invest in.
I'd have no trouble investing in a company led by a woman, but I wouldn't invest in a company led by a mom with children in the home (and probably not a dad either).
paintball
Comic Con.
paintball
There is clubbiness, nepotism, elitism, Black culture, a bunch of Asian cultures, inertia and who know what other immigrants. Whites may now be a minority in Silicon Valley but their culture is still the culture of industry and innovation. I suspect it is a vital ingiredient yet is willing to embrace changes. I've been here for two months and my most memorable interaction with blacks would be with the enticingly dressed young ladies in front of cheap motels asking me if I was lonely. I did not think much of the black guys keeping an eye out for them around the corner. Fixing this is going to take an effort by all of us.
I don't think it is as simple as that. I think there is a strong bias against poor people and black people are far more likely to be poor. I suspect that white trailer trash are almost as likely to suffer the same problems as poor black people..
I think that there is also an element of racism involved against black people, but a lot of their problems stem from the money available to them when young.
The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
Using the same logic as proponents of institutional bias, one could argue a pattern of discrimination against males because they do not make up half of all maternity ward patients despite being half of the population.
yes thinkgeek owns both slashdot and sourceforge, the three of which together are the most frequented geek sites. thus thinkgeek management is simply trying to tie them together more tightly that is why we had an article on bullet proof clipboard that is oddly enough available on thinkgeek a couple days ago.
---Saying gnome 3 is better than windows 8 not so much a compliment as it is damning with light praise.
indeed. bill gates pulled him self up by his boot straps, worked 5 jobs through his public school education, went to a land grand university, and was lucky enough to sell enough copies of BASIC out of the back of computer magazines, before he and his friend Steve Ballmer were able to create the first IBM computer, running Windows. Then Steve Jobs, with his liberal hippie turtleneck, got poor Bill to smoke a "joint" and then stole his ideas while Bill was passed out on the couch. Then President Clinton forced Microsoft to sell Apple products and sell subprime mortgages. This really pisses me off, that people think the government was involved in creating computers and the internet. It was all Bill, and his creations were stolen by the same kind of latte sipping, unemployed lazy hippies who are Occupying Wallstreet or whatever it is they call it.
Our whole society is biased against black people. They are denied education, and the people in power prefer their own kind. Most people who make more than maybe $60,000 a year aren't used to interacting with black people, are afraid of them, and assume they are stupid and shouldn't be trusted.
None of that is true, or only true in very exceptional cases. There's absolutely no discriminatory laws in place (except perhaps to advantage minorities, and very few racist individuals. Of those who are racist, the majority would never admit it.
The under-representation of particular races in particular fields have little to do with racism, and nothing to do with innate capability. It is purely a social artifact of history.
"Is There an Institutional Bias Against Black..." I'm going to go ahead and stop you there. Yes.
Go search 'Weird Al White and Nerdy' if you haven't already watched it a few dozen times.
An institutional bias in favor of dumb as bricks Indians, rather than actually finding an American who is more qualified.
I worked at a Fortune 100 company in a large IT department in a major coastal city. We had some choice in where we worked. I first worked in a group alongside a black guy, who told me he worked in his group because he didn't get along with someone in another group, he was vague about who. I then went to work for that group. I got along with my manager, but he had it in for this black guy from the other group. In fact I would socialize with the manager and co-workers. At the bar, he would sometimes speak disparagingly on Arabs, Muslims, blacks, Mexicans and the like. When there were layoffs, the black guy was let go. He didn't have direct influence over the group, but having one of the managers there against you was certainly not a help. There didn't seem to be a logical reason for the antipathy either. Honestly, I still get along with this former manager, although I don't agree with his thinking in this respect.
I worked at another company, Fortune 1000. I worked alongside a black co-worker, with whom I had a common manager - white, from the Midwest, late 20s. Again, the manager had a lot of antipathy and made life hard for this co-worker, for no reason I could see. I think it's difficult to work in conditions when your manager is against you and is waiting to jump on any error you make (it happened to me once when a new manager wanted to push me out and get his friend in my position, which is a long story itself). Eventually my co-worker left, or was pushed out, or whatever - the co-worker never wanted to talk about it when I spoke with him after.
So from my experience, the racism is usually not from co-workers, or from upper management and HR, who would probably be happy with some functional, if token, black faces. It's usually from lower management types, who in my experience are often a bundle of neuroses and incompetence to begin with.
On another topic, to quote George Jefferson, with enough green you can always get people to forget the black. When the dot-com boom happened years ago, money flowed into the web properties of Vibe magazine, UBO, BET, Black Planet etc. Plenty of companies were interested in reaching the "urban" market. There is even cross-over - plenty of white teens listen to not only Eminem, but black hip-hop artists. I just read a piece in Adweek on how Android had captured the African-American demographic in the US. Of course, this still is a ghettoization of sorts - it really opens up when blacks get venture capital for new chip designs, or software products or the like, not just web and social media properties geared toward the urban market.
Anybody noticed how easy it is for whites to get venture capital funding in the India and Pakistan, and in Africa? That's why there's all those white multibillionares there. Talk about double standards! In India foreigners can't even buy property, never mind own companies. In Africa - well, ask the Zimbabwe farmers how they're doing. When Americans stop being so ignorant and insular and start looking at conditions in the whole world rather than just in Silicon Valley, they will realise that whites are just as discriminated against, globally, as anyone else.
Blow it out your ass you racist twat.
As I QUITE RECENTLY saw this, 1st hand, as a landlord:
"African-American families don't typically encourage business leaders or programmers to pursue interests in tech" - Posted by Soulskill on Saturday November 12, @06:21PM from the world-white-web dept.
One of my tenant families was black. They had a son, bigtime f'up in school, but he DID show interest in computing!
(Gaming & the like: Yes, it IS a 'start', & same start I had ALMOST, because I did have interest in doing more than just gaming (probably same with others here too as their "starting point" or near to it...)).
His mother told me:
"I don't want him spending all his time on a computer & that's all he'd end up doing or knowing"
I told her "That's how a LOT of computer freaks that end up making a living of these machines start - with an interest in gaming, & in fact, it is how I got 'into them' & enough to be paid for doing it..."
She wasn't hearing any of it!
She "removed his abilities" shall we say, to mess around on the system, not a bad system either (Pentium 4 512mb RAM etc.)
In the end? Well... the kid got booted back to live with his father (screwed up bigtime in school, some sort of trouble there), & that, was that... afaik @ least.
* Too bad too - See, the kid was genuinely interested in these machines, & that is HOW it starts OR CAN... even with gaming!
Interest is nearly everything, because it spurs the need to learn more, etc. (imo & experience, & not just with computers... heck, take women for example - & most men KNOW what they're about there because they're "interested & motivated" to "do better/more" in that, ahem, area, lol... poor example? Oh, I dunno about THAT, lol!)
I state that & it's obvious!
It can lead one to start thinking (@ least for me way, Way, WAY back when) "How can I make this hunk of junk I run move faster to game better"...
That train of though later led to knowing how to "tune" my operating system...
That in turn, led to networking interests!
Which eventually led to coding & doing fairly well @ it professionally for coming up on 2 decades of time in it as a pro...
Enough for me to go back & pursue computer science degrees & eventually work in the field professionally (first as a techie during school, then a network engineer, then coding, & into systems/business analysis etc./et al).
You CAN make ANYTHING IN YOUR LIFE happen if you are lucky and you try...
However - I think that once you"get there"? You find out it's NOT all "daisies & balloons" either... problems still present themselves, no matter what kind of job or money you make. There's no perfect world in other words...
APK
P.S.=> SO - Is what I saw the 'definitive' end all/be all/all there is to it?
Well, probably not, but... it IS what I saw, this year no less, before that family moved out... from my own personal experience, and yes, that of what I have literally SEEN in a black family I had as tenants last year into this year.
(Also - Anyone can go down to the local "Mom & Pop" computer stores in smallville USA and pickup a starter machine for about $50-$100, & one that's NOT TOO DAMN SHABBY either, & certainly enough to get online & get started on, so... saying it's "economically oriented" is complete bullshit too! After all - you do NOT need a "state-of-the-art" system to learn & start on... heck, the 1st degree I went to for CSC in 1993 or so had 8088's we learned on, & this WAS in the era of the 486 66mhz system too!).
Everything, & I MEAN everything, starts @ home... & life IS what you make it, but sometimes, you have to demonstrate you're using your time wisely (especially to parents & gaming WON'T CUT IT... not w/ parents who aren't "in the know" themselves & can't say "Hey kiddo, want to make your games run FASTER & BETTER? Learn to 'tune up' your machine, & here's some material on that..." etc.)
... apk"
First off, whoever modded you Troll - I think they're wrong. I think you're asking a serious question. So I'll give you my serious answer.
The problem is cultural. The culture that a great many black children grow up in is simply broken. Are you familiar with the term "Uncle Tom"? It's an insult that black people aim at other black people that used to mean "sucks up to white people" but these days means "act too white", i.e. speaking proper English and getting good grades. It's actually frowned upon.
I'm not making this up. Here is an example. The one person is "less black" and an Uncle Tom because they grew up not poor, in a middle class area with both parents married. Less black. Think about that one for a bit.
And the submitter is wondering why you don't get a lot of scholastic achievement from this culture.
Black people are NOT denied education. My university has a list of grants and help as long as my arm for anyone who isn't Caucasian. The problem is that black people (in this area anyways, YMMV) are taught from birth that you are "less black" and something of a traitor to your people if you get good grades and act "too white". There is your real reason.
Think I'm kidding? Watch this bit from Chris Rock (nsfw). Why is everyone laughing? Because it *hits home*.
The culture itself is broken. Fix the culture and allow success to be defined as "gets good grades" and the numbers will change as if by magic.
Weaselmancer
rediculous.
How black entrepreneurs can succeed in Silicon Valley http://venturebeat.com/2011/11/12/black-entrepreneurs-silicon-valley/#disqus_thread
There may be no laws in place, but the system is set up in a way (possibly, but not necessarily unintentionally) that is biased. Poor people are disproportionally black, and tend to live with areas with shitty schools and no jobs. Bam! They aren't getting out of it!
We have the same shit with the Romas here, and nobody likes to talk about it. They're often sent to substandard schools or schools for "special" children, and then everyone is surprised that they generally don't perform well and some turn out to be fuckups.
Black people suck at writing code. What more do you need to know?
This is the kind of stupid argumentation that drives me crazy! (Disclaimer: It is not really a drive, but more like a short putt.)
Somebody notices a glitch in the distribution where the data has been sorted by a hot political topic, and immediately everyone starts expressing an opinion. They are jumping to conclusions which, by definition, means they have not done any meaningful research, analysis, or other investigation. The whole discussion becomes a time-waster or political agenda.
This is an opportunity for some sociology team, anthropology team, or maybe economics team to FIND OUT WHY, by researching the issue and discovering what actually influences the situation.
"The mind works quicker than you think!"
Where I come from, BBC still means Brittish Broadcasting Channel whereas in California it means Big Black Cock
And the beat goes on...
According to Wikipedia, among workers aged 25-64, working full time, the following income amounts by race are:
... enjoy utopian fairness.
White 40,422
Asian 42,109
African American 32,021
Hispanic or Latino 27,266
So, by the logic of fairness and my calculations, the average is $35,454. This means we need to take $6655 from asian peeps, and $4968 from white peeps, and give it to the african americans and latino peeps. Then everything would be fair, and people would stop crying.
Problem solved
What I know about VC's:
#1 They love money
#2 They never have enough money
#3 Nothing much else matters to them in this life other than acquiring more money
Given the above, I believe that most VC's would gladly suck a bag of dicks if it meant an additional $1B in their bank account. I assume that funding a black guy's tech firm is much more pleasant than sucking a bag of dicks. My conclusion is that VC's would be happy to fund black tech firms, or asian tech firms, or latino tech firms if they thought they could make a bunch of money from doing so.
The open question is whether or not VC's underestimate the ability of black/asian/latino firms to make them a ton of cash.
"Liechtenstein is the world's largest producer of sausage casings, potassium storage units, and false teeth."
but what are these minorities role models? what? rappers too lazy to pronounce a 1 syllable word while punching the screen with a diamond and gold covered fist clinching thousands of dollars in cash? Professional sports figures who get paid tens of millions of dollars just to end up on a TV ad begging for charity cause they spent it all on hookers and blow (NFL)?
The best thing that has been happening is the existence of community leaders / political types, which is why we are JUST NOW starting to see minorities that are not a bible beating ignorant joke (Jessie Jackson) as presidential candidates outside of college professors.
Unless, of course, you find a way to make computers care about what the person writing code on them looks like. Good luck with that.
It is not like being a top star in sports or show business. Entrepreneurship is based on trust and it takes decades or even generations to be trusted by others. It also takes a lot of effort to climb to the top, so people who were persistent for the last 20 years are at the top. I am a scientist, and I do not see black people around. I can not imagine doing anything else, but I "wasted" last 20 years working ~70 hours per week and my compensations for the first 15 years was below earnings of almost everyone I know.
More like dumb habits, and old-school social networking that we take for granted.
For example: my father introduced a now-retired VC to the woman he married. That got me in the door, years ago, for a discussion about whether our startup had a prayer. My advisor introduced a currently-famous VC to the woman HE married. We're multiply-connected as FOAFs; he might know me by sight, we've been to parties and my advisor's funeral together, where we got into a raging argument about global warming with a mutual friend.
Friend of mine (one of the F's in FOAF above) was working for Apple years ago, was talking to them about how they recruited, and discovered that they recruited from the same habitually-white schools that most of the people already there came from. Not intentionally discriminating against blacks, but de facto, not getting many of them in for interviews.
Worked for a startup A years back, when we were later trying to pitch our startup B, the founder of the startup A very, very generously gave us loads of advice about business plans and pitches. Networking, again.
On the supply side, you have blacks disproportionately living in poor places (meaning, schools not as good), from parents that might lack education (meaning, less exposure to stuff that upper middle class whites take for granted, like early reading etc). All these disadvantages are correlated with not doing so well in school. Any discrimination experienced in education along the way also thins the pool. Doesn't have to be conscious, either -- assume that we're all capable of making mistakes, including some really unfortunate ones.
And this stuff takes loads and loads of time to change. When I was a gradual student, I went to a programming languages conference, and there were more albinos in the audience, than blacks. One of the guys on my thesis committee was Richard Tapia, and he has been busting his ass for the last 30 years (at least, that's just what I know) to get more Hispanics into the sciences. When I got my PhD, it was right around the time that the first big cohort of women also got PhDs in CS; they're still underrepresented, but that cohort started advising/mentoring/role-modeling wore women, and over time there's been (so it seems to me) more and more.
"said Hank Williams, an African-American entrepreneur" Seriously? Am I the only one amused by this?
These are people who fill diversity quotas at large corporations. As such they are valuable commodities and less likely to be laid off, a trigger for many who start new companies. At a previous (large corporate) employer our entire group (28 people) was laid off except for diversity quota people. And an ADA case who was dumber than a box of hammers.
So why should they take a risk of losing good pay and benefits? It's the same with unionized teachers - they are guaranteed lifetime employment. Not too many of them will leave for the startup world, either.
As a grumpy, eternally-pissed off Canadian sysadmin who is fast approaching his 40s, I just have to say:
HOLY FUCK GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER UNITED STATES.
I'm sick of this black vs. white, "is it racism or isn't it" shit that you've got going on down there. Year after year after year. Enough! Just fucking hug the nearest member of the human race that *isn't* from the same branch colour tree as you are and get on with life.
It's like I walk into Tibet and complain that there are no Chinese Tibetans or Communist Budhists and so the mainland Chinese government instead of naturalizing marriage between Chinese and Tibetans just starts pushing Tibetans into the ocean and bulldozing thousand-year old Temples to pave the way for modern Chinese commercial constructions and habitations. Thanks niggers and jews.
Wait, it's the fault of the Jews and Niggers that China is persecuting the Tibetans? WTF? And what ocean borders Tibet to push them to?
I know you are a professional troll, but even then, there's usually some logic in the vile spewed. Yours was at least amusing because it was all obvious lies, and not even based in fact.
Learn to love Alaska
I had no idea "Women" were considered a separate race.
What are people of color? Isn't everyone a color of some sort?
'The tyrant will always find pretext for his tyranny.' - Aesop's Fables
You mean like the B-2 and F-117?
I think the primary component in a lack of minorities in IT is access to technology. And, yes it's silly to suggest that PC at the public library. I attribute my career choice to having PCs in my home that I had total access to; not kiosks with restrictions on availability and built-in security.
But, I also encounter racism in the industry. I've had White Americans flat out laugh in my face when I told them I was a software engineer; after all how can a Black person work with computers? One of my biggest annoyances is the "White Test" I get when IT people try to surreptitiously quiz me to prove that I really am in IT. Usually it's by someone who's not as smart as they think they are which adds to the frustration. I've heard coworkers drop N-bombs at work when they thought I was out of earshot. With all that, can you honestly say the playing field is level?
For all of you writing your speculative posts on what "must" be going on in the industry, how about going out and talking to someone instead of extrapolating from your limited experiences?
I swear to God...I swear to God! That is NOT how you treat your human!
I call shenanigans! A shortage of tech entrepreneurs in Silicon Valley who happen to be black? How about a shortage of people in tech who happen to be black? "Silicon Valley" and "entrepreneur" are irrelevant and just there to make a headline. As someone on the East coast who has done dozens of interviews over too many years, for tech positions in the investment industry, various start-ups, and software development companies, I've seen very few people who happen to be black who even get to the interview phase.
We need more women and less guys of all races.
Most software houses are sword fests and that just sucks.
What sucks worse CNNs shallow report identifies an effect without ever trying to understand or identify the underlying cause.
Having personally financed almost 1/2 dozen black tech entrepreneurs including one woman - all I can say is 'baloney'. If you have the smarts and you have the idea and you have the team, just go see any VC - they WANT you.
The article says most of the money goes to white graduates of "elite" schools, like Stanford. When I went to Berkeley, there were only 2 black students (1 a foreign student from the Caribbean) in my upper division electrical engineering and computer science classes. That's less than 1%, even though 9% of undergrads were black. With such a low percentage in a candidate pool, why would investment grants be any higher? Berkeley certainly isn't a racist institution (perhaps reverse-racist), and the black students tended to pick social majors instead of engineering or hard sciences. I think 90% were ethnic studies majors, which basically means they wasted 4 years getting a useless degree.
I think that's a lot of it. If my some magic everyone's skin color changed to reflect what class they were raised in, if those born in the upper class were red and the lower class blue, then we'd see red people in tech and blue people underrepresented. It wouldn't directly have anything to do with the color itself but the social circumstances behind the color. But since class isn't visible, while race is, its easy to ignore the real variable at play and attribute it to what can be easily be seen.
I'm no entrepreneur, I am a engineer type of person. I am a young black male in his mid 20's. There is a lot of biases that I have to deal with, amongst the most common is that I am not smart. People who don't even know me will act as if I'm a complete idiot and talk slow to me as if I don't understand english. That is until I open my mouth about data structures, machine learning and computing clusters then it becomes a whole different ball field. I am black and middle class, I was raised in a house with computers. The story with me is different and most of you will relate. I had a fascination with electronics, I would take things a part and make theories about how they worked, primarily printed circuit boards and various components. My mother and father were good friends with a family that were very computer literate, in fact the man of that family worked for IBM- he was black. I used to hang out with their son, who had all the latest DOS games and a killer rig I loved to play on. When I started going into my teens I hung out on IRC channels, played Starcraft with the Korean kids at the local community college and became a script kiddie and amongst other things started reading the Rainbow Security books and phone phreaking with a red box made out of a halmart card. I also go into Linux very early too, got acquainted with Walnut Creek CD ROM (further into this rant, you will know where I grew up). I was writing batch scripts when I was 7 years old. Fast forward today I have a vast technical knowledge. When someone has a tech question they usually come to me. I have a 25u rack in my room with pizza box blades and I work on C programs aimed at computer clustering. I have some certifications and experience but at the moment, am unemployed. I came from a very racist Northern California backwards town in Contra Costa County. I had to endure racism from White supremacists and to a higher extent, institutionalized discrimination. I know when things are unfair, and I don't let it bother me. After being in so many fights and being treated so very sub-human, you let that stuff slide and evolve from all of it. I volunteer with groups of people who go across California repairing computers for low income families, seniors and disabled individuals. I work with a person in that project who doesn't have a high skill set as I do but is very persistent. I've looked over his shoulder a few times and seen he was getting massive responses for interviews, and I thought why wasn't I getting the responses as he was. I have a blog, I have videos on youtube showcasing my technical prowess in some fairly advanced things in computing. Great experience and a killer resume that is striking in appearance. But still I did not have a high volume as he did. I had a hypothesis and I went with it. Changed my last name on my resume so it matched his, created a gmail account and a new account on monster.com with it. Sent it out to all the companies and guess what, I got a lot of replies. How did I get the massive replies? Well I changed my last name to his of course. His last name happens to be: Ng Yu Kiu. This doesn't just show that there is a bias against blacks or minorities, but it also shows somewhat a bias against whites too, though at the rate things are going whites will probably become a minority as well. Growing black and middle class is actually not a good spot at times. Someone once said to me "Your the blackest of the white and whitest of the black". Well he got it right, never fully excepted by the White community and never fully excepted by the Black community. Your kind of lumped in the middle and dating can be awkward because a lot of girls regardless of race like the "thug" types. I don't want type more because I have to read, but I there still is discrimination, I've encountered it quite a bit in California. If things get worse for me I will most likely move to Texas or Georgia. Also one of my parents read about this segment in the paper and I tried contacting the group who were part of that CNN program. They have a meetup group and I
Is there an institutional bias against White Basketball players?
Often success involves attracting either investors or partners into a business. If one is only looking at the money angle then one will tend to invest or partner with individuals most likely to succeed. When there is clearly a majority race it is usual that members of that majority race can make it much more easily than minority members so investors and potential partners jump on board with a "model" of what the business community eagerly accepts. That locks minorities into a negative loop that is very hard to over come. I suspect that the issue is universal and not related to individual nations. If I lived in Egypt I suspect that if I was what the public saw as an ideal Egyptian business person then I would have an edge over others. Surely the same is true around the world. If we associate hatred with prejudice it becomes a very difficult proposition to deal with. Obviously preference and prejudice are identical in many cases if no hatred attaches. I like Coca Cola better than Pepsi. I like women with a tiny waist line. Yes that keeps fat women from getting certain jobs. But what kind of person would I be if I denied what I like?
I've been working in IT for 10 years and have never met *anyone* who even works in the tech industry and is black.
Chinese, indian, filipino... worked with all of them. But never anyone black.
Perhaps if there were more working in the tech industry, there would be more entrepreneurs.
Say to why they're so rare? I have no idea.
The trick with racism is that it requires a double-take to manage. It's bred from categorizing everyone into a specific population sample derived from a single negative instance of occurrence by one of another race. In layman's terms, it comes from someone's bad experience with a [insert race here] person.
In 5th grade, a black boy spat right in my face and when I told the teacher, she merely told me to go wash my face off and went back to her grading. ...but do I hate all black people? No, because I know that boy was just some prick who needed his ass beat like the majority of most people nowadays. It happens.
The boy was never reprimanded in any way...
There's plenty of arguments about every race regarding what they do wrong and how they're victimized, but it does no good for all involved. Just shut the fuck up and go pick up some trash near your home. Make the world a better place for Christ's sake... Enough of the damn noise already.
It's not racially biased. It's economically biased: if you have more money, you can do more things. How and why do you propose to change that?
Blacks are poorer because there used to be discrimination until 1-2 generations ago. That's been abolished, and now their incomes are slowly rising and improving, at about the same rate as other poor people. It probably takes another half dozen generations until the inequality has gone away. It is just totally irrational to expect blacks to become as rich on average as whites within such a short time..
Racism is defined as a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others. Any policy based completely on race. Want to change it? Here is a good start:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2d2SzRZvsQ
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From the wikipedia article on white privilege:
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(emphasis mine).
>very few racist individuals
They're not hard to find. A significant fraction of my relatives, several classmates, and so on.
I've lived and worked in Silicon Valley for 29 years. I've worked at several start-ups. The VAST MAJORITY of start-aren't run by WASPs! Mostly Indians, Persians, or Asians! Why are there few Black entrepreneurs in High Tech...D'uh! There are very few Black engineers in High Tech. I've worked with maybe three! There was exactly one black gentleman in my graduating class of over 100 in Electrical Engineering from the biggest Cal State Engineering School.
So - whatever the reason - this is a self-selected situation. Blacks don't enter the field. The problem starts WAY BACK at the STEM education entry point - maybe in high school.
Have you compiled your kernel today??
comes down to genetics. Compare american blacks to any other blacks, particularly in africa. I can't remember the percent but a large percentage of american blacks have racial traits of whites. Possibly due to selective breeding during slavery. I don't think slave holders bred slaves to be be smart. In fact, I believe those who were smart or showed a tendency for persistence were bred out. I believe the result is larger more physical and less intellectual. Coupled with economic disadvantage it created generations of people who rely on handouts which exacerbated the problem. So, if you don't have a home computer, books or toys you will spend your time at the free basketball court. And if society shows success in singing (old time mistrial), basketball/football (physically demanding), or crime as a last resort, well that is where you will go. America now has a few generations of true economic opportunity now, give it time and it will even out racial differences in professions.
You are the obvious troll.
Look at all the Youtube videos. You have Jews demanding multiculturalism and diversity in every nation, yet when asked for multiculturalism and diversity in Israel they say NEVER. It was the Jews that selected and trained Mao Tse Dung in a Freemason Lodge to begin the conversion of China into the present Communist republic through the use of violence where over 100 million non-Communist nationals were killed. You can't make this up.
Learn2History.
Also, pointing at someone to call them a troll without actually giving any proof is just your madness nagging at the back of your head like a cancer. Truth is, facts are much more blatent and painfull than anything anyone can respond to. Blacks are still violent while their patient the Jews just go about trolling nations into fighting eachother like how Russia invaded Poland to spread communism while Germany tried to take-back Poland after discovering (April 1943) the mass graves of 25k murdered Polish officers and intelectuals in Katyn Forest from the Communist Jews. Consider the fact that Poland was created by control foreign to Polish peoples with non-Jewish front men. While the Jews were doing the same in China to murder neutral and opposition non-Communist Chinese they were also doing the same in Russia where Joseph Stalin (half-jewish and half-Georgian) killed over 70 million native non-Communist Russians to convert Russia into the bankrupt bastardry it has become today where mail-order brides are the prime export and sole victims of sex slavery where these women as injected in various parts of the world and consumed to privileged buyers.
DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH.
How this relates to Tibet is the expansion of Chinese Communists is when the Communists kidnapped the young Punch Lamma to install their own Communist-trained Lamma in that religion. LOOK IT THE FUCK UP!
There are almost no black people in the Northwest tech cities. While filming the show "Leverage" in Portland they had to ask for more black extras for the backgrounds to make it look more "American".
http://blogtown.portlandmercury.com/BlogtownPDX/archives/2009/05/24/african-american-extras-needed-for-leverage
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I reject that this is entirely up to exposure.
My circles of friends growing up were nerds. We swapped commodore 64 pirated games. We played dungeons and dragons. At least until 13-14 or so we all fit the mould. The computer dorkery lasted a lot longer, through high school.
Of my 30 or so aquaintences, nearly all the anglos and asians have found themselves doing something technology related. A few are pretty hardcore doing EE or embedded programming. Many are more IT or programmer types like me. Some had other focuses and created web sites or "social networking" whatever (retch). Some went into videogames, or makeing art or music for them. Not one of the 5 african american kids ended up in anything tech related. One's a counselor, one's a piano teacher and church organizer, one dropped off the face of the earth, and one's an accountant.
There's a *huge* skew here. These kids were given computers as very young people. We played videogames together as teenagers. On the c64 sometimes you had to fix the basic that would screw up due to a bad crack. I shared my exp tracking program I wrote in BASIC, and someone added features to it (it was bad). But all the african american kids dropped it, and they dropped it after the age of 16-17, when I no longer was following their lives so closely.
This can't be soley from a lack of exposure and opportunity. There's more to it.
-josh
It's because the jigs never have a good idea that doesn't involve rape.
NSF statistics show that in 2006, 2.2% of masters degrees in electrical engineering were awarded to people who described themselves as "black, non-Hispanic." This is compared to 13% of the population that is black. This goes a long way toward explaining why "About 1% of entrepreneurs who received venture capital in the first half of last year are black,[...]" This applies to any field where you're talking about a group being underrepresented; you have to look at the talent pool. If the group is underrepresented in the talent pool, then it's too late to fix the problem. They're simply going to be underrepresented in the field.
And why is it necessarily a problem if a particular group is underrepresented or overrepresented in a particular field? There are a lot of Jewish doctors out there. Is that bad? It's only bad if the underrepresentation is the result of injustice. What if some of it is the result of culture, preferences, or factors such as becoming a dentist because your mom is a dentist?
It would be extremely interesting to know what fraction of entrepreneurs who receive venture capital come from families with below-median incomes. I'll bet you a nickel the figure is much, much lower than 50%. But the US is allergic to talking about class. We only want to talk about race.
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Only an idiot would claim that men are discriminated against in maternity wards because it ignores the fact that men can't get pregnant. Likewise, claiming that one of every two Americans are women and therefore one of every two software developers must be a woman or else sexism is also absurd. *
Not everyone has the talent or inclination to work in a given career. The fact that some groups seem sparsely included in some jobs does not mean there is bias in the field.
*Substitute minority group or career as needed.
Great, blame "the system". Some individuals are racists, and their actions have effects. But just like "corporations" are purported to have no souls, neither can "the system" be racist unless it's laws actually contain racist things.
Otherwise, who would clean the floor?
White power!
I'm posting anonymously because I'm fairly involved in hiring with a Silicon Valley company.
Right now there is a talent shortage in a number of areas, especially mid-senior to senior Unix/Linux admins. If we didn't hire the best PEOPLE who we could find, without regard to race / gender / ethnicity / sexual orientation / etc, we would be at a major competitive disadvantage because then these talented individuals would go to our competitors.
Most of the successful entrepreneurs have spent quite a bit of time in the trenches. Most of the jobs in the trenches are hard work that requires a great deal of fundamental understanding, which can be gained in a wide variety of ways (college, working on open source, etc).
However, for most people who are successful here, the path to developing this understanding starts way before college; it starts at home in the middle and high school years. If you don't get that head start, you're starting out behind. If you want to fix "underrepresented" group issues, you have to fix the parents and fix the home situation. You have to get the parents to support their kids taking hard math, hard science, and getting the help they need.
An anecdote on the parental issue - there was a fairly poor (but relatively organized) neighborhood in a not-quite-majority-black city that was offered free computers and wireless internet for all of the houses, to help the (many) kids in the neighborhood start to get past this digital divide. The parents overwhelmingly rejected the idea because the Internet might possibly lead to porn.
The fact is, the Valley is a meritocracy because anybody who doesn't treat it that way is at a competitive disadvantage. But a meritocracy means just that; no bonus points for the color of your skin.
We see this again and again - the government decides that just because a group is X percent of the population, they should be X percent of everything and it doesn't work. What it does is impede others from actually doing those things. Other countries do not penalize their most apt student and entrepreneurs - only this country is that stupid. And it is showing across the board as this country descends into third-world status.
and hasn't heard of World Wide Technologies.
The USA has a (class/political) color inversion.
In the rest of the world the color Red represents the working class (Communists, socialists, Labour Party etc)
And the Blue is the color of the conservative upper classes. (often refered to as Tories)
I don't know why Republicans are Red and Democrats are Blue.
And another thing, having your elections on a Tuesday doesn't make sense either. You would get more participation if they were held on a Saturday, when more people are not at work.
(Of course that may be deliberate since the Republicans don't want a lot of people to vote.
Everyone who is saying that young African Americans don't use computers and that's why they don't end up being entrepreneurs is crazy. Some of the best hackers ever were black or latino and grew up in NYC. I think everyone has forgotten the Masters of Deception (MOD): Phiber Optik is latino, Corrupt was African American, and Outlaw was latino.
They just didn't end up as execs.
But just like "corporations" are purported to have no souls, neither can "the system" be racist unless it's laws actually contain racist things.
That is correct. If the system contains no racist laws or policies, the system isn't racist. Some individuals in the system may still be. That is the fault of the individuals, not the system.
is really filled with logical people. And selection by race instead of merit is not logical, and I've never seen any evidence of it. The few IT people I've known who were racist, still concluded individual variations outweighed any possible racial variations, so they were racist in a kind of abstract sense, but completely color blind when it came with dealing with any individuals.
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I want to be an entrepreneur of Black Tech! Is it in anyway related to the work of Black Mesa? I wonder, who else parsed that phrase as Entrepreneur of Black Tech rather than Black Entrepreneur of Tech. Does it mean that I'm not racist or super racist?
And why is Black Tech Entrepreneur (or everything else in the title) title cased? (did I just answered myself?)
But... the future refused to change.
...against white hip-hop artists?
African-American culture seems to advance sports, sex and drugs as the preeminent career choices. They are also less funded with money and knowledge.
European-American culture seems to advance arts, sciences, and technology as the preeminent career choices. They are also better funded with money and knowledge.
Do the math.
Please stop the race-bait articles Slashdot. I can't take it anymore. You people should be ashamed of yourselves. You know who you are. >:-(
Is There an Institutional Bias Against Asian in Sports?
It's all about how we raise our kids.
Don't look for racism in uneven race distribution pool. Don't expect output % to be greater than the input pool
Well this is an interesting article. I am black ... and I would like to add my voice - since most of the voices are very likely not black.
There are many facets to a story like this. For one white folks do NOT like to be lumped into the same pot and also do not like to be made to feel guilty about racism. But racism does exist (look at the Yahoo message boards - very OVERTLY racist comments all the time).
... you should get a fair shake ... I think if you are a graduating PhD from Stanford with some new fangled technology, then you will get a fare shake. I know this, because the blacks at Stanford are very happy and they innovate. I have seen some UNHAPPY black people at MIT - I think for a long time they had no tenured black faculty and the one head of department was run off after his department revolted. So MIT from I have heard is not the best place if you are black person ... at Stanford, all I have seen is happy people - they get VC money, they start companies, they get faculty positions ... I heard Berkley is good too ...
... there are usually very few and when one appears in a project - there can be a reaction - or no reaction at all depending on the attitude of the team. Prejudices can come out ... prejudice is stupidity - let me say that now.
... Linux and VxWorks are my lingua franca ... my experiences over the years have been fun ... a lot of great projects networking, codecs, robotics ... a lot of cool stuff ... Today it would be highly unusual if I encountered direct and overt racism - I would likely have a very very hard time with that. I am fortunate - I know that some black people do work in hostile environments where they are second guessed or berated ... it does happen.
I went to a private technological University - I had lots of black classmates - some of them have done really really cool stuff. I met fellow black peers at MIT, Stanford, Caltech and Berkeley ... there are many smart black people ... that go to some of the best schools. The challenge is that many us are buried away in great companies in labs or offices ... we are here ... but sometimes not seen.
The questions as posed, is whether this prejudice applies to Silicon Valley. If your idea is good
No one should be asking if there are smart, qualified black people - There are. There are smart qualified people of all kinds of backgrounds. If you discriminate, you shrink the talent pool.
I do think though that African people (Black Americans, West Indians, Africans and others) working in American technological firms can be viewed as space aliens
I am a programmer - I program in C++ and C mostly
I think one challenge may be that SOME white people do not know how to interact with black people in general. This is not controversial or alarming at all. Why? Well when I look at my managers - I see 40 something, 50 something and 60 something year olds. For the older ones, they very likely did not go to schools with black people due to segregation - I understand that! This is America, and there is a social consequence that affects guys who graduated in the 1950s, 1960s, and 1970s. Heck even guys I knew in college, that was their first time interacting with a black person. Truly for a good deal of white people there are sometimes few blacks in their elementary and high schools. Not to be an apologist for people - but from a social studies aspect - when a black person is suddenly introduced, people can act like a space alien fell from outer space. Will the black person lower the API score of my school (for Californians), is he qualified to work at my company? Did he get in through affirmative action? These are things black people think white people think about them.
So in o
There is an institutional bias against Asian pro-football players. I'd call it even.
Grow up racists. If they can't build anything after 5000 years of chucking spear at zebra, then guess what. It ain't the white man's fault.
Is there a decent leader of any high tech company? While I think it would be both inappropriate and a bit overboard for some super-being to lay all the high tech executives to waste, I do think that the people they are supposed to serve should take the matter into their own hands.
Nobody talks about gender or racial bias in organized crime. There are bigger fish to fry.
The problem isn't that they were comparing "black" names to "white" names it is that they were comparing ghetto names to American names. "Jill" is a very normal, neutral, name in America. "Shaniqua" is a name you tend to only see come from, well, the ghetto. It is not a name that comes from African roots or anything. It sounds, well, lower class.
However turns out it isn't just "black" names that have that. Try hillbilly names. Have "Shaniqua" run against "Sheri-Moon" and see how that goes. Both names are "odd" to the American ear and both speak of a lower class upbringing.
In terms of "black" names I might note that someone who has a REAL "black name," as in one that has an African influence, currently holds the highest office in the land.
There is this expectation that they should go and do some sort of civil rights work, or something like that which helps the "black community". Neil DeGrasse Tyson gives a great talk on that at the HHMI: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0I5Fl1Qn-Do.
In it (at around 32 minutes) he talks about an experience on college where another smart, motivated, black student found out he was working to be an Astrophysicist and said to him "Astrophysics? The black community cannot afford the luxury of someone with your intellect to spend it on that subject."
So there is this pressure for smart black kids that you need to go do something that directly helps the black community. Be a leader in some respect. That of course negates doing engineering or anything like that.
Now if you continue to watch the video, Dr. Tyson points out how his path has done ever so much, despite not working for "the black community." The man is the director of the Hayden Planetarium, a minor celebrity, a living, breathing, example that it doesn't matter if you skin has more melanin in it, you can still be brilliant and excel in your chosen field.
But there's that pressure there. Once you've got out of the anti-intellectual community, which as you point out is EXTREMELY strong for black kids, you then face this pressure from the intellectual community that you should be doing some specific things. Doesn't matter what you are interested in, you "owe" your community to use your smarts in some way.
Hopefully, time and people like Dr. Tyson will change that. People will see him, and more people like him, and say "It is ok to be smart, no matter my skin colour, and it is ok to use my smarts on the field I like."
Go to your local chess club - who would you find there? Yep, asians and some white folks are 99%. Go to your local youth orchestra - ok, now you talking "only" 90% (no, not school bands, sorry). Spelling bee? Mathcount? Chess set will cost you $20. In most orchestras you'll get support if family is really poor. It all starts with parents.
This is a loaded topic by any means.. I grew up in an urban area with plenty of African-descent people.. I have worked in Silicon Valley.. Its not the color of the skin but the focus and execution here.. black white red brown yellow.. I have also heard a *lot* of people using race as an excuse instead of doing.. so this topic has a negatove edge for me, not because I am a hater, but because I see a lot of reverse prejuidice and a lot of finger pointing, where there is actually a lot of opportunity
You're missing the point. There don't have to be laws that explicitly discriminate against black people by literally saying something like "niggers are not to be allowed into the good schools".
Instead, the thinking when coming up with the education funding system might have been "So how do we fuck black people over? They seem to live in poor areas, so let's tie school funding to local property taxes, this way they'll never be able to afford schools good enough to get good jobs or into colleges".
Or maybe not, I don't know how it actually went, but neither do you, I suspect. The point is, without knowing this, we can still observe that the system has an institutional bias based on the outcomes, and that's what this whole thread is about.
DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH.
I did. I researched the ocean adjacent to Tibet that the Chinese were pushing the Tibetans into, and there isn't one. If AC invents that lie for effect, I'm justified in dismissing all other statements as unsubstantiated lies as well. Nothing you've said relates to my statements at all. I don't know why you hate Jews so much, but I didn't bring them up.
pointing at someone to call them a troll without actually giving any proof
Some AC posting lies in a racist rant is a troll. I don't need to prove it, just like I don't need to prove the sun rises in the east, which, to jackass AC, is very hard to prove.
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Innovation is hard for everyone.
It's not harder because of your skin colour, or gender or physical characteristics.
Blaming your inability to succeed on these things is evidence of inability.
Quit moaning & get on with it like everyone else.
About 1% of entrepreneurs who received venture capital in the first half of last year are black
Ok, so 1% who receive VC funding...
What percentage actually apply for funding, and if they are rejected on what grounds?
This doesn't mean there is a racial bias, if only 1% of those applying are black then stands to reason only 1% of those approved will be black...
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a matter of being "connected" within the scene. If you're connected, even your bad ideas have a pretty good chance of being funded. If you can convince somebody who's connected you've got a good idea, you can become connected. Race / gender / gender preference isn't all that important.
If you aren't connected and can't hook up, race / gender / gender preference is also irrelevant, one's best bet is to find a way to bootstrap to the point where one is too big to ignore because you are NOT going to get high-tech VC money before that. And your idea is as irrelevant as whether you are a man or a woman. The "idea + good team" mythology is propaganda, as part of the definition of "good team" is one where at least one of the suits is connected.
This isn't so much that VCs are insular as it's that most VCs are fundamentally ignorant of the underlying technologies in the area they invest in (they might have been hot-shit geeks a generation ago, but the world has moved on), so they need to have people brought to them by people they think know the tech better that they think they can trust. They know the buzzwords in that field (sometimes, even what the buzzwords mean) . . . and destroy companies more of ten than not (there's a reason why the success ratio of VC-funded startus is 1:8 and dropping) by insisting that things be done their way because they've got the money but not the skill to know why what they demand is A Bad Idea.
The nation that comes up with and follows through with an improvement on vulture capitalism for getting technologies from idea to market will rule the world by owning it.
Just because there aren't very many black people in the industry doesn't automatically prove racism. This is why the race card has no effect anymore.
This will no doubt get modded down. But, has anyone every read The Bell Curve? The authors (scholars at Princeton IIRC) present a compelling case that IQ is a good predictor of life performance. On an aside, they acknowledge that the reason IQ has been disallowed from use in job placement up till now is because of a Supreme Court decision that found racial bias in IQ tests. However, it seems to me that, especially in the tech industry, being "really smart" would be really important. Part of the cause may well be that there are simply fewer African Americans with very high (say 150+) IQ's, capable of starting and running a very successful tech business in the highly competitive Silicon Valley ecosystem.
to the person who needs to unload an OS if one's mother knew the current President of IBM socially from mutual involvement in high-level charity fundraising.
"Not exactly poor" indeed.
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The argument is that it would seem that having a "black name" or more appropriately here a name with African roots is not something that is a massive barrier that stops you from any kind of advancement. If you are looking for absolute parity on all issues then you are a poor student of humans and should realize that never happens. However it becomes harder to argue that a "black name" is something that fucks you over when Barack Hussein Obama is sitting in the white house.
I don't think anyone here is saying that racism doesn't exist, just that it isn't necessarily as prevalent or pervasive as some think.
You seem to want to go to the other extreme: If there is an inequality of any kind between people with different skin colour, and you define what that is, then racism must be behind it.
All I am saying with the name test is it wasn't properly controlled. They chose names that are seen as "normal" or "neutral" and compared them to names seen as "ghetto". Names like Matt, Patrick, Lee, Jeff, etc are not "white" names, they are normal American names. As point of fact, those are the names of four black people I happen to know. As such if the question is one of response to race, and not one of perceived socioeconomic or educational status, then you have to control the test and have other names that are low status names but associated with a different ethnic group. As I said, "hillbilly" names would be an excellent choice. While I've no doubt Matt would get more calls than Latifah, I'm guessing it would also get more calls than Cletus. Now if Cletus also got more calls than Latifah well then you probably have something.
I'm not interested in trying to deny racism, I see plenty of it where I live (I live near the Mexican border so it is more regarding Latino vs White here). However I'm also not interested in claiming that any time someone thinks there's an inequality, racism must be the cause. Not only is that inaccurate, but it is not useful. If you falsely identify the wrong cause then your solutions are not going to be effective.
OH GOODIE!!!! The race card has finally made it to Silicon Valley. I have no doubt that it is racist white bigots in SV that MUST be the cause of this. *leaves to go regurgitate"
There is an institutional bias within athletic teams towards white sprinters and runners. The problem is that families don't encourage their children to run as a career and therefore they are underrepresented. In recent years this unfair situation has been exacerbated by the fact that far more black youth run around in gangs while whites just sit playing video games.
Many argue that this is a terrible bias that should be addressed. Athletic affirmative action to resolve this awful example of societal bias should be considered. In the hundred meter sprint whites should be allowed to start at the 87 meter mark. And in marathon running whites should be allowed to start at the 20 mile mark.
Over time it will be clear that as white athletes improve and build confidence a far more equitable situation in sport will occur. A recent article by Mr Gene Spooner the famed athletic crooner rejected this 'short start advantage' and proposed instead that all athletes of color should be compelled to carry a 50 lb concrete block during races. He later amended this contentious statement to say that only long distance runners of Kenyan origin should carry 50 lbs. Other runners of African origin should only carry a 40 lb weight.
Mr Spooner rejected any suggestion of allowing a short start for whites. "In God's eyes there is an equality of distance". He rejected any suggestions of considering relative distance as equal in the Einsteinian sense. He did, however, suggest that black sprinters should be required to run backwards for the first five meters, but this was rejected by American athletes as racist and who said it indicated a deep seated desire by Spooner for black athletes to go backwards.
It was clear from the article that Mr Spooner was a blockist of the worst kind and his suggestion was rejected by the Olympic committee.
Mr Spooner was not available for comment.
If anyone in America has an excuse to say "go home, get off our lawn", it's the "red" man.
If you are an American, and you are not a Native American (judging from your (lack of) intellectual capacity, you probably know them by the misnomer "Indian"), then you need to determine your pre-American ancestry, and ship yourself back to wherever you "came from". By your own misguided arguments, you have no right to be claiming a monopoly on American soil unless you can claim American heritage that predates the European Protestant Pilgrimage. Don't let the door hit you on your way out.
"White guilt" has gone too far, I'll agree. Just like any other stereotypes, though, it has a factual basis. The Euro-trash who came over to this side of the planet over two centuries ago did some pretty horrible things - including biological warfare and attempted genocide of the people who were here for a long time before the white man showed up. The whole "black" thing is a bit much to be obsessing over, in my opinion, considering that the slaves were purchased from other dark-skinned guys, so they'd have been slaves whether they were shipped across the pond or not. On the other hand, that only accounts for the first generation... it's a big gnarly mess that we might be best off skipping over entirely, rather than apologizing to people whose dead ancestors were wronged by our dead ancestors. Can't we all just agree that some bad stuff went down, and move on from there?
Back to the subject at hand: you're arguing against yourself! Just because your ancestors immigrated a couple hundred years ago doesn't give you the right to go around threatening to shoot the new immigrants. This isn't me siding with the Native Americans (or the "blacks", or the Mexicans either), this is me telling you to pull your head out of your sphincter.
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Wow, you just hate everybody, don't you?
That's so sad. I think you need a hobby.
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Here's my 2 cents as an old white guy as to why. In the 60s, black people decided that they needed their own culture to survive, one different from white culture. Prior to this, most black people tried to be more white, culturally speaking. The problem is, when you isolate cultures, you increase alienation, decrease communication and decrease social connections.
So here we have a pretty successful (economically) culture of Europeans in the USA and a not-so-successful culture of African Americans. After the 60s, they go their separate ways, more or less. White culture was rejected by young blacks who become more isolated from social connections, education and attitudes that could help them be a success, economically. The result seems to be an African-American youth culture obsessed with activities and attitudes that guarantee failure. Sports. Entertainment. The development of the physical. A lack of interest in the mental. And most insidious of all, a tendency to go for immediate gratification, rather than to work for long term rewards. The history is different for Hispanics, who have linguistic separation and legal issues thrown in the the mix, but some of the cultural characteristics of separation are similar.
And so, failure is guaranteed as long as there is no assimilation into the majority culture. The only exceptions I've seen to this rule are situations where the children were acculturated in white neighborhoods with "white" values and little to no exposure to their own racial group's culture. Is this fair? No. Is it real? Sure looks that way.
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You left out the fact that Dr. Tyson is also starting to show up in contexts other than educational science shows, like on Bill Maher's "Real Time". He's very passionate, and applies logic and scientific perspective to the political and social issues they discuss on the show.
He doesn't always connect with the ball when he speaks up on the show, but when he does, he hits it out of the park.
There also seems to be a lack of male synchronized swimmers. Does that mean there's some evil external forces afoot? Maybe as a culture, they aren't interested in that particular field. Does that automatically make it a bias against them?
On HOSTS files? Many others on /. no less (and security pros too) disagree with you:
E.G. #1 - The words of a security expert, Oliver Day (SECUNIA) CLEARLY disagree w/ you:
A RETURN TO THE KILLFILE:
http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/491
Some "PERTINENT QUOTES/EXCERPTS" to back up my points with (for starters):
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"The host file on my day-to-day laptop is now over 16,000 lines long. Accessing the Internet -- particularly browsing the Web -- is actually faster now."
Speed, and security, is the gain... others like Mr. Day note it as well!
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"From what I have seen in my research, major efforts to share lists of unwanted hosts began gaining serious momentum earlier this decade. The most popular appear to have started as a means to block advertising and as a way to avoid being tracked by sites that use cookies to gather data on the user across Web properties. More recently, projects like Spybot Search and Destroy offer lists of known malicious servers to add a layer of defense against trojans and other forms of malware."
Per my points exactly, no less...
Additionally - Guess who was posting about HOSTS files a 14++ yrs. or more back & Mr. Day was reading & now using? Yours truly!
(& this is one of the later ones, from 2001 http://www.furtherleft.net/computer.htm (but the example HOSTS file with my initials in it is FAR older, circa 1998 or so) or thereabouts, and referred to later by a pal of mine who moderates NTCompatible.com (where I posted on HOSTS for YEARS (1997 onwards)) -> http://www.ntcompatible.com/thread28597-1.html
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"Shared host files could be beneficial for other groups as well. Human rights groups have sought after block resistant technologies for quite some time. The GoDaddy debacle with NMap creator Fyodor (corrected) showed a particularly vicious blocking mechanism using DNS registrars. Once a registrar pulls a website from its records, the world ceases to have an effective way to find it. Shared host files could provide a DNS-proof method of reaching sites, not to mention removing an additional vector of detection if anyone were trying to monitor the use of subversive sites. One of the known weaknesses of the Tor system, for example, is direct DNS requests by applications not configured to route such requests through Tor's network."
There you go: AND, it also works vs. the "KAMINSKY DNS FLAW" & DNS poisoning/redirect attacks, for redirectable weaknesses in DNS servers (non DNSSEC type, & set into recursive mode especially) and also in the TOR system as well (that lends itself to anonymous proxy usage weaknesses I noted above also)
PLUS?
Well, you'll also get to sites you want to, even IF a DNS registrar drops said websites from its tables as shown here Beating Censorship By Routing Around DNS -> http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/12/09/1840246/Beating-Censorship-By-Routing-Around-DNS & even DNSBL also (DNS Block Lists) -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNSBL as well - DOUBLE-BONUS!
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Slashdotters've "modded up" my posts on HOSTS files in these posts also - you're outnumbered approximately 23:1 in them:
BANNER ADS & BANDWIDTH:2011 -> http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2139088&cid=36077722
HOSTS MOD UP:2010 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1907266&cid=34529608
HOSTS MOD UP:2009 ->
... don't write an article about statistics.
After reading the vast amounts of racism and bigotry on this thread (some stated as if they were words of condolence or compassion), it is gonna be a loooooong time before we get past both of 'em, at least two more generations. /sticks hands in pockets...sighs/
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Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
I hate the expression "people of color" (and "african american" is stupid too, not all black people are from africa). Anyway, apparently we can't even ask WTF about greed or war, which are universal problems.
I've had almost as many black bosses in tech as I've had white ones. Plenty of women too. Then again I'm in Chicago and there are a lot of black people here. Go figure. Maybe guys from south central LA don't want to work in tech? I've worked with tons of nigerian engineers that got flown out around the world and my white ass didn't.
But lets say its racism. Its always that. Its like not a lot of guys aspiring to be flight attendants, must be sexism.
You could give equal budgets to all schools independent of where are they located, for example. We don't and that is one way we make society systemically racist.
You must be talking about entrepreneurs in black ops technology, because there aren't any black entrepreneurs.
The bell curve of intelligence for the Negroids is shifted from that of Caucasians.
Therefore - there are far fewer samples from 'blacks' in the high intelligence area.
If you normalize the results for the distributions - you'll probably find math and statistics work just fine.
North Carolina A&T produces a great amount of Black Engineers but I'm not sure where many of them though, I am currently enrolled as a Computer Science major hoping to dual major with Electrical Engineering and get my masters.
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Blacks are 12% of the population and declining. They make up 65% of the NFL, and 80% of the NBA. Whites are 65% of the US and declining. They make up only 20% of the NBA, and only 25% or so of the NFL (the rest is basically Samoan). No one talks about discrimination against Whites in the NFL or NBA. Whole positions are subject to "Black out" (only Blacks are allowed to play them): Wide Receiver, Safety, Corner, Running Back, and Defensive Line. Whites are allowed basically to be QBs, Offensive Linemen, and kickers, with a few odd linebackers thrown in.
This is no more racism than the lack of Black Silicon valley engineers, entrepreneurs, and executives. White players simply are not good enough, compared to the elite of the elite. At the highest levels of performance, all the fastest, strongest, quickest, and combination are going to be overwhelmingly Black. Sure a few White guys will slip in, along with a few Mexicans and Chinese (Mark Sanchez, Yao Ming). But the NBA, NFL, and colleges are not barring White or Asian or Mexican players. They just are NOT GOOD ENOUGH to play.
And the sad truth is, Blacks just are not smart enough. Sure there are a few smart Black guys. They probably exist in proportion to the White guys big, strong, fast, quick, and explosive enough to play in the NBA or NFL "Black positions." About 47% of Detroit (overwhelmingly Black) is illiterate. Test after test shows Black guys have far lower average IQs, around the 85-88 range (compared to average White IQ of around 99 and NE Asian IQ of 105, Ashkenazi IQ of 105 as well). Yeah there are dumb Asian guys and brilliant Black guys. But at ELITE LEVELS of IQ performance, Black guys just are not capable. They can't cut it. They are too dumb. They're the IQ equivalent of the slow, lumbering White guy. The Bush Admin, and now Obama Admin, is suing the FDNY saying it discriminates against Black guys by administering blind, written, graded tests for hiring and promotion. The New Haven Firefighters won their suit getting their promotions (finally) on blind, graded tests despite that they were all (but one Hispanic) White.
Racial differences do exist. That doesn't make Blacks a super-race (because they dominate the extreme levels of athletic performance) or a unter-menschen because they fail miserably to achieve even what average White guys do intellectually. It does not make NE Asians or Ashkenazi super-races either because they're very smart and dominate (along with high-Caste Indians) Silicon Valley and the Engineering professions, nor are they unter-menschen either because they cannot dunk a basketball or a run 4.4 forty yard dash.
We will have lots of Black Entrepreneurs when we have a mostly White NBA, NFL, and college sports.
That may or may not be a good idea (and there is considerable redistribution of money at the state level already), but it has nothing to do with racism. The fact that poor black neighborhoods have bad schools is because they are poor, not because they are black. A black school district can make the same tradeoffs in terms of school financing as an equivalently poor white school district.
Furthermore, poor education is not a question of money; even poor school districts in the US spend a lot more money (PPP) per student than most school systems around the world.
Have a look here:
http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2011/06/06/School-Budgets-The-Worst-Education-Money-Can-Buy.aspx#page1
It's like I walk into Tibet and complain that there are no Chinese Tibetans or Communist Budhists...
This is sort of off-topic, but I had to chuckle at this, given that I happen to be wearing a pendant that features Chairman Mao on one side and the Buddha on the other, a gift from my prospective father-in-law (a veteran of the Chinese Civil War and a Party member in good standing), who gave it to me with the words, "I have always been and always will be a loyal soldier of our Chariman... But in China we also say that it is better not to carry all of the chicken's eggs to market in the same bucket."
(P.S. [Back on topic:] You're a racist moron. Please die in a fire.)
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
Small correction: He's not lying.
white people are a rarity in the NAACP too.
is nothing to do with race, sex or intelligence. If you're the sort of twat whose life is defined by material success and making lots of money, then you're that sort of twat, regardless of whether you're 50 Cent or Steve Jobs.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
I'll throw another factor into the mix:
I'm a biracial (black/white) embedded systems programmer at a fortune 500 out here in Silicon Valley. As I look around at my co-workers, I see nothing but white men, and a few white women. Now, as you can assume, my skin is much lighter than the average black man. I see what at least appears to be a bias in that as well.
At the career fair at my college (where I landed my job) I was amazed at what I saw. It was a typical career fair, where there is a short initial screening from the people doing the hiring, before the applicants move on to a more in-depth interview. I got an interview right away. The (white male) who conducted the initial interview seemed very interested in me, and I immediately got put on the list for a full interview. When I was showing my resume to other companies booths at the career fair, I could overhear the interviewers talking to some of my black friends. They were very dismissive, and wanted nothing to do with them. Needless to say, none of them got an interview. Now, I had a good GPA, but it was nothing stellar. Many of my (black) friends had a better GPA than I did, more projects related to the field, etc.. Still, none of them got an interview.
I can't read the thoughts of those interviews to know what they were thinking when they quickly decided to interview me, while quickly dismissing ALL of my friends. I realize that this is one single anecdote related to this discussion. However, I have experienced this all throughout my life. Can I make a definite conclusion based on this? No. Is it convincing to me personally? Yes.
I'm sorry, nowhere in that video do they explain which ocean borders Tibet. He's still lying, and you are an idiot.
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