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Kazakhstan Disables the Internet , Telecomix Restores

bs0d3 writes "In the face of oil protests on their 20th independence day, Kazakhstan has blocked the internet and disabled cellphone towers in the city of Zhanaozen. As with previous internet blackouts, hactivist group telecomix is putting together free dial-up servers for people blacked out in this region."

156 comments

  1. Misleading title... by DangerOnTheRanger · · Score: 0

    is misleading.

  2. Thank Godness by Osgeld · · Score: 0

    now they can still update their facebook status, and the world will continue to turn

  3. Couldn't Resist... by broginator · · Score: 3, Funny

    Very nice!

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    1. Re:Couldn't Resist... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wah wah wee wah! This is a not true and is propaganda from those Uzbek assholes!

    2. Re:Couldn't Resist... by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      WTF did he say? It's hard to find anything meaningful among his homoerotic dreamings.

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    3. Re:Couldn't Resist... by slackware+3.6 · · Score: 1

      You looked at his pucker eeewwww.....

    4. Re:Couldn't Resist... by retchdog · · Score: 1

      Same... my sister was the same when she lost her mind.

      Zain! I'll destroy you to the last circuit!

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    5. Re:Couldn't Resist... by sarysa · · Score: 1

      The real reason behind the shutdown is to keep its citizens unaware of the potassium shortage...

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    6. Re:Couldn't Resist... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WTF did he say? It's hard to find anything meaningful among his homoerotic dreamings.

      this is Golden....Absolutely Golden!

  4. Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... by LVSlushdat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Who still has a modem thats capable of dial-up????

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    1. Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a 56k external modem for sale at the local thrift store.

      It might work.

    2. Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... by astropirate · · Score: 2

      People not in "developed" countries..?

    3. Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... by jtownatpunk.net · · Score: 1

      I think my old Dell desktop has a modem in it. And my G3 ibook's around here somewhere. I don't have a phone line, tho.

    4. Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      Who still has a modem thats capable of dial-up????

      I have a couple in a box somewhere in my parts closet. I'd probably have to dig out a motherboard with ISA slots to use some of them though.

    5. Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Lots of recent laptops still come with them - it's cheaper to include it than it is to remove it by changing the motherboard design.

      Also, the government action is self-defeating. Trying t get back at oil workers on a sit-down strike doesn't get those oil workers back to work - and oil workers are a specialized trade. Firing and blacklisting one group "en masse" just means you now have a smaller pool to hire from. Reagan could do it during the air traffic controllers' strike because there were others available to hire and you can use new technology to fill some of the gap - this isn't the case in an industry where technology has already taken up all the slack it can, and there's a world-wide shortage of oil workers.

    6. Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... by Hamsterdan · · Score: 1

      Better question is who still has a land line?

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    7. Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... by Stradenko · · Score: 1

      Up until a few months ago, my father. :(

    8. Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... by jhoegl · · Score: 2

      I agree, comparing your first world devices to third world nations is worthy of commentary.

    9. Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... by chikanamakalaka · · Score: 1

      I have five.

    10. Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      Who still has a modem thats capable of dial-up????

      I've got an old first generation Powerbook G3 that still boots up. Got a hole on the side with a little picture of a phone.

      First I'll have to clean all the cat hair off. She used to sleep on it because it got so nice and toasty warm.

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    11. Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... by couchslug · · Score: 1

      A shitload of people who cable and DSL in the US don't reach, and millions more in rest-of-world.

      I keep a stash of Winmodems to replace modems belonging to friends which get damaged by lightning, and save my Jaton Explorer from 1999 (with which I first browsed Slashdot using Corel Linux) for troubleshooting.

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    12. Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol- you haven't purchased a laptop recently have you? Up until last year I'd have agreed. No longer. They finally killed them off.

    13. Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      I have a few. One that I know still works. My family went through a shit ton of worthless Winmodems, but the external modems worked far more reliably. I'm quite positive that the old Zoom modem is still functional. That thing went through hundreds of thunderstorms, that would kill those shitty Winmodems! And, of course, we still have the dialup provider to fall back on, if our DSL should crap out for any reason. Which is possible, in our Backwoods, Nowhere community.

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    14. Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... by zill · · Score: 1

      My thinkpad W510 (last year's top-of-the-line model) still have it strangely enough. Not only does it waste precious precious port real estate, but I mistook it for an ethernet port multiple times.

    15. Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      You're sure that those are modems, and not Winmodems?

      http://www.amazon.com/New-56K-External-Serial-Modem-30490000DG/dp/B005DAZ4UI (note that the price is rather high there - that was just the first in a long line of hits from Google)

      Most, but not all, of those internal modems were specially designed to run with Windows, and used your computer's system resources to operate.

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    16. Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      You're sure that those are modems, and not Winmodems?

      Absolutely sure they are not. They were all used on Linux boxes. I forgot about those. But now I remember accidentally buying one once, mainly because the packaging did not state it was a Winmodem.

    17. Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... by slackware+3.6 · · Score: 1

      I have a Macintosh classic 1991 with 8" monochrome screen. Only old computer I kept other than a Pentium Pro 200mhz.

    18. Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... by dbIII · · Score: 2, Informative

      The former USSR was developed - the countries that came from it most likely more so.
      It's possible the average level of education there is greater than what was available to you, especially in geography and modern history it appears.

    19. Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... by hrvatska · · Score: 1

      For people who need a low cost, high quality phone service it's frequently cheaper and/or better quality than either a cell phone or a VOIP. At least that's true for many of the people I work with. Almost everyone I work with works from home. When we have phone conferences people using VOIP have problems much more frequently than people using landlines. I've used both Skype and Vonage, and had enough problems with both that I've stuck with my land line. My land line only costs about $30 per month for unlimited minutes, it's always up, and the quality is excellent. I've got a mobile for personal use or when I'm traveling, but for business from home I use a land line.

    20. Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2

      Trying t get back at oil workers on a sit-down strike doesn't get those oil workers back to work - and oil workers are a specialized trade. Firing and blacklisting one group "en masse" just means you now have a smaller pool to hire from.

      They are not firing them, they're firing at them, quite literally. Anywhere from 10 to 70 people killed, depending on who you ask. And it's not like those workers can freely pack and move elsewhere, either.

    21. Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... by tibman · · Score: 1

      who doesn't have piles of old tech in the closet.. just in case

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    22. Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      Cool, then. When the last worms and viruses have eaten the hearts out of the last Windows installations, you can still get on the internets! ;^)

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    23. Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lots of recent laptops still come with them - it's cheaper to include it than it is to remove it by changing the motherboard design..

      Say what? Most modern notebooks haven't had modems in years? Have you bought a computer recently?

    24. Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 0

      BWahahahahaha.....ahahahahaha....ahahahahahaha

      Alright, now that I've stopped laughing and have picked my eyeballs up off the floor:

      Do you mean to imply that the Imperial Might of the Soviet Regime widely distributed faster-than-56k modems throughout its lands prior to its ignominious collapse in 1991?

      Or are you just a twat with an irrelevant axe to grind?

    25. Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... by astropirate · · Score: 1

      dbIII, please... please don't leave school if you are attending one. If not, you should consider reading up on what you are talking about.

    26. Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously... who cares?

    27. Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Shouldn't you be out occupying something? Or is it too cold?

      In Soviet Russia, bullshit talks you!

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    28. Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... by dbIII · · Score: 2

      To you and the above - if you can't travel at least read a newspaper that reports on places outside of your own country or it's equivalent.
      By the way the "faster-than-56k modems" shows somebody else without the least clue about dialup, so why should I care about some ignorant idiot saying I don't know what I am talking about?

    29. Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spot on

    30. Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Look kid, we're not all starving African kiddies once you get past the city limits of New York. It's a big world out there and people even have mobile phones in places more remote than you can imagine (and guess what you can use those for?). Stop staring into your own underpants and look out at the world.

    31. Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Hey, it's not my problem if your education failed you so badly that you don't even know what the phrase "developed country" means.

    32. Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 1

      I honestly can't tell if you're serious anymore. I'm invoking Poe's Law at this point.

    33. Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Seriously... who cares?

      Everyone who matters.

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    34. Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not everyone has moved on to tablets. If you have a laptop - as in, notebook not netbook, chances are there's an extra port next to your (likely unused) RJ-45 Ethernet port that looks like a smaller version of the same. That's your "telephone modem" port. If you've never tried to plug anything into it, go to the local supermarket and buy a telephone cable. I'm sure you also don't have any active phone jacks in your home so you won't be able to test it out or anything.

      So to summarize, anyone with a notebook computer likely has one. Anything bigger or smaller, not so much.

    35. Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My core i7 toshiba a505 laptop certainly has a modem in it. Not that I've ever used it, but it's there!

    36. Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      You obviously didn't read the story - they fired all the workers from their jobs earlier this year.

    37. Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      if you can't travel at least read a newspaper that reports on places outside of your own country or it's equivalent.

      It has equivalent, or it is equivalent? Neither makes sense. And yet you presume to accuse others of being uneducated.

      66th on the human development index. While that's not bottom half, it's barely top third - and bear in mind how that statistic is skewed by all the tin-pot Bongo Bongo Land type places.

      The place is officially a shit-hole, it's a mathematical fact.

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    38. Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who still has a modem thats capable of dial-up????

      Well, I do. My two year old Lenovo X201s notebook that I am typing this on has a modem. I know their latest model doesn't have one anymore, but I am pretty sure a lot of people have machines that are a few years old and still have modems built in. Just in my house right now we have 7 notebooks with modems in them (one being my work machine which is also an X201).

    39. Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... by dbIII · · Score: 1

      It has equivalent, or it is equivalent?

      The equivalent of a newspaper obviously.

      And yet you presume to accuse others of being uneducated.

      My case rests.

    40. Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... by Vlado · · Score: 1

      Almost everyone?

      For some strange reason practically any business laptop has a modem jack.
      I haven't used mine in the last 10+ years, but it's still it somehow present in every laptop that I bought (last one was in February this year).

    41. Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... by couchslug · · Score: 1
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    42. Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... by astropirate · · Score: 1

      Yes, its a big world, you should try reading up on it. I'm from Tajikistan, I live in the US now, I moved here 5 years ago. Technology and economy-wise we are very similar to Kazakhstan. Please stop being a dumb redneck and attend your local community college as soon as possible before you hurt yourself by thinking too hard. "The former USSR was developed - the countries that came from it most likely more so." ROFLMAO

    43. Re:Hard to do w/o a Hayes compatible modem.... by dbIII · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, that explains why you didn't understand what I meant by "developed". It doesn't mean leading the world it just means electricity and running water in the cities. Look at that line you quoted in that context and not by an assumed meaning that isn't in the dictionary, encyclopedias or common usage.

  5. On methods of independent verification by tftp · · Score: 1

    Cellular telephone and Internet connections in Zhanaozen have been out of service since the Friday violence, making independent verification of the security situation impossible.

    An independent verification of events does not mean contacting a stranger on Facebook who purports to be from the area and asking him how many people the government killed today. But that's what the quoted portion implies.

    1. Re:On methods of independent verification by steveaustin1971 · · Score: 1

      More reliable than the media.

    2. Re:On methods of independent verification by AngryDeuce · · Score: 2

      To be fair, I'd say that is about as reliable as the media, not necessarily more or less.

    3. Re:On methods of independent verification by icebraining · · Score: 1

      Because reputed journalists don't use mobile phones or the Internet?

    4. Re:On methods of independent verification by steveaustin1971 · · Score: 1

      Well, since the media is utterly UNRELIABLE in the extreme, anything is more reliable than they are these days.

    5. Re:On methods of independent verification by tftp · · Score: 0

      More reliable than the media

      You need reliable (unbiased) sources and a trusted communication channel. If you conduct an interview with an unknown person at an unconfirmed location and that person tells you a story, what is the value of that story? Will you rush to print with that?

      Theoretically it could be possible to call many citizens in the area and get an average opinion. But stories of ten senior citizens who sit at home will be different from the story of one 20 y/o man who is rebelling against the power. You can't average those. Besides, this is a small city in a backward country that is ruled by iron fist of President for Life. You can't just grab a phone book and start calling even if the lines were working.

      Available reports indicate a small-scale uprising there; tens of people killed even before the government sent the troops in; Molotov cocktails are used against trains and machinery, and so on. You'd be hard pressed to find someone there without an agenda. The government may lie, but the opposition knows how to lie just as well - and the media is the natural vector of spreading this disinformation.

      In the end, the only way to get the truth out is to send a trusted reporter in. If you do that it doesn't matter too much if the communications to the area are restricted. The reporter can have an Iridium phone, or he can research the story and fly out of the area on a private airplane. When there is a will there is a way.

    6. Re:On methods of independent verification by tftp · · Score: 1

      Because reputed journalists don't use mobile phones or the Internet?

      A journalist is welcome to use phones or the Internet to send the story in, or to do background research. I'm not a journalist, let alone reputed one, but I don't see a mathematically correct way to conduct interviews remotely when you don't know who you are talking to and what is the agenda of the person who tells you the story. He may be even the well known, honorable mayor of the town ... with a gun at his head. Internet's value to external reporters would be very limited. Even videos wouldn't tell much. Imagine videos of the Civil War in the USA, will they tell you who is right and who is wrong?

    7. Re:On methods of independent verification by tftp · · Score: 1

      Well, since the media is utterly UNRELIABLE in the extreme, anything is more reliable than they are these days.

      Incorrect, mathematically. Imagine a media source that is ultimately unreliable - it is a generator of random noise. If the set of answers is [0..n-1] then the probability of any answer is exactly 1/n.

      Now imagine a witness who is not that bad. The witness has a bias. The density of probability has a peak (one or more.) You are saying, correctly, that the witness is "not as bad." However you don't specify which bias the witness has, if any. In other words, the "good" witness may give you a specific answer that is absolutely wrong.

    8. Re:On methods of independent verification by icebraining · · Score: 1

      When I said "reputed journalists", I was talking about Kazakhstanis. External reporters contact (or are contacted by) them using cellphones or the Internet to make the independent verification of the situation.

    9. Re:On methods of independent verification by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Though I suppose cell phone video is worth a thousand words. Particularly to your countrymen, which are an important rhetorical target you'd reach using the Internet.

    10. Re:On methods of independent verification by tftp · · Score: 1

      When I said "reputed journalists", I was talking about Kazakhstanis

      The comms blackout, as reported, applies only to the specific area of the unrest:

      has blocked the internet and disabled cellphone towers in the city of Zhanaozen

      so that rioters can't coordinate their actions as they did in London. The rest of Kazakhstan is not incommunicado. Local journalists are free to go there, investigate, return to other cities and call anyone they want in the world. What is the problem then?

    11. Re:On methods of independent verification by tftp · · Score: 1

      I suppose cell phone video is worth a thousand words.

      Three words: The Running Man.

  6. Not Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Must enable low tech solution to circumvent Kazakhstan Government.

    No time to argue.

  7. Internet loss = BAD by GEEKS+RULE!! · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Whilst this is amusing I suppose it would not be funny for the people that lost their internet connection... I would just curl up and die without on-demand internet access!

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    1. Re:Internet loss = BAD by icebraining · · Score: 4, Funny

      I would just curl

      Not without Internet, you wouldn't!

    2. Re:Internet loss = BAD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      He still doesn't wget it....

    3. Re:Internet loss = BAD by GEEKS+RULE!! · · Score: 0

      I do get it and I've realised my error now... There would be no wifi either. I didn't think of that at the time, I was busy with a bag of Dorito's so I wasn't really thinking about what I was typing because I LOOOOOVE Dorito's!!

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  8. Coming a US city near you! by Das+Auge · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    This is the wet dream of the MPAA/RIAA. SOPA is the next big step down this road.

    So, take a moment to write, call, or visit your representative to voice your opposition to censorship.

    If you think "Oh, it's just that country", you really need to think again.

    1. Re:Coming a US city near you! by chikanamakalaka · · Score: 1

      Thank goodness for good ole Packet Radio. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Packet_radio

    2. Re:Coming a US city near you! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's the state of AMPRnet? (That's the internet over packet radio.) I've been mucking about with APRS, (think short messages, kinda) but haven't heard of the internet over radio in a while.

  9. Doesn't matter by cb_is_cool · · Score: 1

    The story came from the Washington Post so all manner of journalists know of it, and internally, word of mouth is almost as quick and just as effective as tweeting, facebooking, etc. When will governments realize that even their best efforts to control information are akin to holding back an ocean with a leaky sieve?

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    1. Re:Doesn't matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably when it stops working most of the time. For every brutal suppression you read about, there are more you did not, or that you only heard about once they were over.

    2. Re:Doesn't matter by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 1

      People in Kazakhstan are reading the Washington Post? Has it occurred to you that that Kazakh government is more concerned about what its own citizens know than about what the citizens of other countries know?

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  10. Oil protests? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    TFA states that oil workers fired over the summer want hire wages. Must be a great place, where people expect to get paid after getting fired from a job. I don't really get what is there to black out about this news, aside from the fact that the country is also being hit with jihadi violence, which TFA mentioned. If the jihadis win, one more oil rich country joins the ranks of Islamic countries like Saudi Arabia, making the world less safe.

    Really wish the move towards Thorium powered nuclear would accelarate, reducing oil consumptions to levels that OPEC countries would find it impossible to sell much of it anymore.

  11. Hey by Galestar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    At least in the Land of the Free we don't kill protesters. We just pepper spray them, beat them senseless, and arrest them only to let them go 24 hours later without charges.

    America's dead. Long live America.

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    1. Re:Hey by a_kibitzer · · Score: 4, Informative

      The kids at Kent State and Jackson State may disagree with you.

    2. Re:Hey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes because two isolated events that occurred over 40 years ago and have not been repeated since are super relevant.

    3. Re:Hey by Grygus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Have not been repeated yet. People have been hurt. It's only a matter of time before some Occupy kids decide they've had enough and actually fight back; if some of the cops are willing to assault completely peaceful protesters, what will they do given a reason to be afraid? It seems very unlikely to me that they will suddenly become professionals with a modicum of restraint. It doesn't take a corrupt police force; just one coward with a gun. We've already seen that those are being deployed to these events. I think it is inevitable unless the protests die out fairly quickly.

    4. Re:Hey by couchslug · · Score: 1

      There wasn't much for non-lethal riot control gear back then, and issued rifles didn't have effective non-lethal accessories.

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    5. Re:Hey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The kids at Kent State and Jackson State may disagree with you.

      I think the moral of the story is: He who is without guns shouldn't throw stones (at those who do).

    6. Re:Hey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are attacking someone with a gun, and they shoot you, that's hardly the same thing as a "peaceful protest". Yeah, the guy with the gun should show restraint, but the guy with the rock has a lot more to lose, whether that's simply the moral high ground or his life.

    7. Re:Hey by MrMista_B · · Score: 1

      24 hours later without charges?

      What are you talking about?

      That's being changed to indefinite suspension without trial, for any individual, citizen or not, outside of or within US borders.

      Released 24 hours later. Pah. That's a thing of the past.

    8. Re:Hey by jd · · Score: 1

      "Not been repeated" is more optimistic than fact. Deaths of protestors in the US is not unknown. Neither are serious injuries, caused by actions not that different from those from 40 years ago, such as at the Oakland site where several protestors were put into intensive care and are likely to have permanent severe disabilities due to brain injuries sustained from brutality.

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    9. Re:Hey by jd · · Score: 1

      Ah, yes, because a rock has laser sights, a long range and can travel through riot shields. Or are you assuming protestors with rocks also carry Roman-era siege engines?

      Besides, most of the severe injuries were to people NOT carrying rocks, weapons or any other such device. Reports and - where it exists - video footage usually does indeed show police going berserker mode on demonstrators who had absolutely zero offensive capability beyond not showering regularly. Indeed, that seems to be the ONLY offensive weapon the anti-protestors can reliably point to, and I'd hardly call that a deadly weapon.

      So far, all evidence points to a completely out-of-control police force with no discipline acting in a manner with no legal basis purely because Sovereign Immunity allows it to do so with absolute impunity.

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    10. Re:Hey by jd · · Score: 1

      Interesting, as one of the complaints make by the most recent investigation into Bloody Sunday was that issued rifles at that time DID have effective non-lethal accessories. So link please or they did.

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    11. Re:Hey by jd · · Score: 0

      Ah, yes. The Soweto Uprising defense. Nobody with brains accepted that excuse then, nobody with brains accepts it now. Riot gear at the time was all but invulnerable to rocks, Molotov Cocktails and similar. Tanks and armoured vehicles all the more so. The police were at less than zero risk.

      I despise gun ownership precisely because people DO believe the nauseating claim that a minor disturbance is just cause for opening fire with intent to kill. It is patently obvious to any but the brain-dead that you simply cannot trust ANYONE - police, army, civilians - with anything capable of deadly force. Not a single one of you has the capacity to reason when usage is appropriate.

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    12. Re:Hey by Yvanhoe · · Score: 1

      At least in the Land of the Free we don't kill protesters.

      Luckily NDAA will soon close this loophole.

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    13. Re:Hey by element-o.p. · · Score: 2

      It is patently obvious to any but the brain-dead that you simply cannot trust ANYONE - police, army, civilians - with anything capable of deadly force. Not a single one of you has the capacity to reason when usage is appropriate.

      I was agreeing with your posts up until this one. Unfortunately, your statement quoted above is a crock of bovine poo. I have owned a number of firearms since I was old enough to legally purchase them, and I have never even considered using one on another human being. Why? Because the rules of engagement are crystal clear: when I have reason to believe that my life, or my family's life, is in mortal peril I will use whatever force -- up to and including, if necessary -- deadly force. In all other cases, the gun stays put away. Fortunately, the situations where deadly force is necessary are very, very rare...as in "I have yet to encounter one" rare.

      And here's the clincher: there isn't a single thing any police force or government can do to completely eliminate the possibility of someone using deadly force on another. Guns aren't the problem. Neither are tanks, swords, knives, bows, belts, towels, rocks, box cutters, screwdrivers, laptop computers, magazines, newspapers, broom handles, molotov cocktails or any other "weapon" that any human being has ever leveraged against another in violence. Because the only deadly weapon that actually exists is the one between our ears. Our brain is the only tool we need for turning ordinary, harmless objects into weapons; attempting to eliminate the weapons in order to keep people from hurting each other is a futile effort because we are creative enough to find ways to turn anything within reach into a weapon when all else has failed.

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    14. Re:Hey by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Are you saying sticks and hosepipes are a new invention?

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    15. Re:Hey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where are all the videos showing the police exercising appropriate restraint? Not anyone posts the videos showing that.

      Don't tell me there are not any videos because the police rarely exercise restraint: if that was the case, all the protesters would have been in the hospital/dead by now.

      I view the Occupy police videos under the Fallacies of Suppressed Evidence (half-truth) and Selective Observation, and as such, view them as false.

      They need to present the hours and hours of protest in which the police acted appropriately; especially when claiming "All-evidence points to..."

    16. Re:Hey by Galestar · · Score: 0

      It is patently obvious to any but the brain-dead that you simply cannot trust ANYONE - police, army, civilians - with anything capable of deadly force

      The *only* reason I agree with gun ownership is because you cannot trust anyone with them. Since it is arguably required that our police have them, and since we cannot trust them, the citizenry must have guns as well to protect themselves from the police.

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  12. according to who? by datapharmer · · Score: 1

    Who is providing the information that the internet has been shut down there? Google data doesn't seem to indicate this so far (http://www.google.com/transparencyreport/traffic/), so where are we getting this information from? Not saying it isn't happening, I just like at least 1 source to backup stories that involve the internet being cut off to an entire nation...

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    1. Re:according to who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google doesn't have the data for the 17th finalized yet.

  13. What's the best low bandwidth way to send a msg.? by wisebabo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Other than e-mail, what is the best way to get your message across (probably text only) to the largest number of people?

    Some sort of newsgroup, bulletin board? Or is it twitter? (But then you need to have a following right? I don't know, I don't tweet).

    Heaven forbid that we (in the democratic west) ever face this problem but maybe while traveling we might face a situation where just getting a few characters out of info could mean a world of difference. I'm reminded of the time when that Israeli scientist who blew the cover on their nuclear program was caught. As he was being transported via a van in front of a bunch of photographers, he pressed his palm up to the glass where, clearly legible, was a short message (I think it said where he had been kidnapped). I think there was another short message sent by a journalist right when he was being taken in by the Egyptian police (a long time ago) which helped keep him from "disappearing".

    Hope that never, ever happens to me. Maybe having a tiny USB modem should be part of my travel kit.

  14. Just goes to show: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can't stop the signal.

  15. Re:What's the best low bandwidth way to send a msg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Other than e-mail, what is the best way to get your message across (probably text only) to the largest number of people?

    Some sort of newsgroup, bulletin board? Or is it twitter? (But then you need to have a following right? I don't know, I don't tweet).

    Heaven forbid that we (in the democratic west) ever face this problem but maybe while traveling we might face a situation where just getting a few characters out of info could mean a world of difference. I'm reminded of the time when that Israeli scientist who blew the cover on their nuclear program was caught. As he was being transported via a van in front of a bunch of photographers, he pressed his palm up to the glass where, clearly legible, was a short message (I think it said where he had been kidnapped). I think there was another short message sent by a journalist right when he was being taken in by the Egyptian police (a long time ago) which helped keep him from "disappearing".

    Hope that never, ever happens to me. Maybe having a tiny USB modem should be part of my travel kit.

    IRC

  16. Re:What's the best low bandwidth way to send a msg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Twitter hashtags - you don't need followres, you just have to know what the hashtag is and you can find it by following other people?

  17. Re:What's the best low bandwidth way to send a msg by fred911 · · Score: 2

    We used to use usenet. Simple and effective. RIP

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  18. How tragicomix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject

  19. Not a worry by Billly+Gates · · Score: 0

    We still have reporter borat who has access to the internet to still receive and send information from.

  20. Re:First Post by schnikies79 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    It adds more to the conversation that using buzzwords like "hacktivist".

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  21. Re:What's the best low bandwidth way to send a msg by chikanamakalaka · · Score: 2

    HAM Radio

  22. Not a worry??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Prediction: Coming to a city near YOU!

  23. Re:First Post by schnikies79 · · Score: 0

    *that=than

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  24. This reminds me... by joocemann · · Score: 1

    ... we need an amendment to the US constitution that says something to the tune of "deliberately disrupting access to communications between free people not convicted of crime, for any reason, is considered an act of terrorism and will be tried as such".

    Obviously with few exclusions and clearer definitions.

    Imagine if people in public service, with ability to manipulate services, that disagree with members of the public, begin to discriminate selectively or bluntly but deliberately in an attempt to defeat that which they disagree with (legal, or otherwise unconvicted). I know we saw it with the Bay Area BART protests. This *cannot* become accepted or normal in any way; this cannot be allowed.

    1. Re:This reminds me... by tftp · · Score: 1

      That would make sense only if access to communications is a human right and not a service that you buy and sell. Otherwise your rights and seller's rights are defined by the contract.

      Also note that one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist. BART is not a political stage - it is a conveyance, so it was proper for them to fulfill their primary mission at expense of a tertiary one.

    2. Re:This reminds me... by nedlohs · · Score: 1

      Wow that sounds like one of the worst constitutional amendments I've heard proposed.

      So if I don't pay my cell phone bill or don't bother putting more money on my prepaid one, and they stop letting me make calls from it - then the phone company just committed an act of terrorism?

      The FAA are terrorists because they say you can't use your cell phone while flying?

      When someone runs their bittorrent client while I'm trying to use skype and lags my connection out they're a terrorist?

      The librarian telling you to be quiet in the library? Act of terrorism.

    3. Re:This reminds me... by joocemann · · Score: 1

      You just misinterpreted the shit out of what I said. Try again without being a creative negative nancy.

  25. Re:What's the best low bandwidth way to send a msg by gratuitous_arp · · Score: 1

    We used to use usenet. Simple and effective. RIP

    We used to use RIP, too. And later, RIPv2. RIP RIP.

  26. Re:What's the best low bandwidth way to send a msg by bbqsrc · · Score: 2

    Even if you don't have a large following on Twitter, for things like this situation, there is almost always a hashtag for the protest in use. For Egypt, it was #jan25, so if you wanted to send a message about Egypt to as many people as possible, you send a message with #jan25 somewhere in it, and people would easily find it, and retweet it to their followers.

    Abstractly, in a lot of ways a hashtag on Twitter is like an asynchronous equivalent to an IRC channel, in that you can search for it and get any messages from that tag at any time, and share them with your followers. Hope that helps.

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  27. Hey, can you shut up please? by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 0

    Seriously I get really tired of this garbage of every time a story comes up about protests in another nation, that some people seem to need to try and make it about the US. How STFU? This is about Kazakhstan, and the people there. Not about the US.

    I don't really care what your reasons are for posts like this, they are annoying and stupid. If it is some kind of moral equivalence crap like "Oh the US does some bad stuff so none of their citizens should ever be able to talk about anywhere else," then it is stupid, and shows extreme ignorance. If it is a case of trying to make everything about you and your nation rather than anywhere else that it is extremely egotistical and arrogant.

    When something comes up about protests, crackdowns, whatever in another nation how about keeping it on that topic? Talk about the US stuff in the threads about the US stuff, of which there are plenty.

  28. nbd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    great, so the 10 people in that armpit of a country who have internet can't do squat - the rest can continue to farm rocks

    1. Re:nbd by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 4, Informative

      Of all Asian Soviet republics, Kazakhstan was the most well developed. Among other things, it's where Baikonur is.

  29. Re:First Post by tqk · · Score: 0

    Would you two a-holes just go get a room, please?

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  30. Particularly since they are almost nothing by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Informative

    More or less all a modem is in a laptop these days is the hardware to convert the impedance and voltage to work with the 48v balanced phone system. There is no logic, it is all handled in software. Computers are so powerful it isn't hard to do anymore and there's no real performance issue. As such adding one to a system is dirt cheap.

    Also there are some geeks, like me, that still have a modem laying around. I have an old USR Courier in my closet. Should I need it for any reason, like when I move to a new place and am waiting on cable to get hooked up (though they are much faster now) I have it. I haven't used it in years, particularly what with having a smartphone, but I still keep it because why not?

    1. Re:Particularly since they are almost nothing by Elbereth · · Score: 1

      I haven't used it in years, particularly what with having a smartphone, but I still keep it because why not?

      Yeah. It's difficult to throw away something that still works. I used to pride myself in my lack of sentimentality, and then I realized that I'd been carting around vintage computers from house to house, as I moved over the years. I eventually forced myself to junk all of them (including a first generation SPARCstation and a Compaq luggable), except for a single conceit: a DEC Multia. How the fuck do you throw a DEC Alpha in the trash? It's like destroying a Model T.

      It's easy to rationalize keeping that old junk, when you see stories like this, but, really, all it does is scare away your date.

    2. Re:Particularly since they are almost nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I haven't used it in years, particularly what with having a smartphone, but I still keep it because why not?

      Because you just answered your own question.
      Just tether your smartphone.

    3. Re:Particularly since they are almost nothing by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      And on the shelf just below the modem are a package of styrofoam cups and some twine, to hold him over while he's waiting for the phone line to get hooked up (hint: paper cups work better)...

    4. Re:Particularly since they are almost nothing by genner · · Score: 1

      I haven't used it in years, particularly what with having a smartphone, but I still keep it because why not?

      Yeah. It's difficult to throw away something that still works. I used to pride myself in my lack of sentimentality, and then I realized that I'd been carting around vintage computers from house to house, as I moved over the years. I eventually forced myself to junk all of them (including a first generation SPARCstation and a Compaq luggable), except for a single conceit: a DEC Multia. How the fuck do you throw a DEC Alpha in the trash? It's like destroying a Model T.

      It's easy to rationalize keeping that old junk, when you see stories like this, but, really, all it does is scare away your date.

      You never throw a DEC Alpha in the trash you can sell the parts for a small fortune if you know the right people.

  31. One small step... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One small step for the Internet...one facefloor for yet another primarily Muslim country oppressing their people while simultaneously claiming Western countries are somehow inferior...

    *sigh*...If you're going to try to prove Western society inferior, can you perhaps try making yourselves look better instead of making Western society look good?

  32. Re:First Post by tqk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It adds more to the conversation that using buzzwords like "hacktivist".

    I happen to like that word. What's wrong with it?

    English is a bastard language, stealing from wherever and then mangling what it stole into whatever form it pleases. What's your problem?

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  33. Don't they have all that K? by droopus · · Score: 0

    Kazakhstan greatest country in the world.
    All other countries are run by little girls.
    Kazakhstan number one exporter of potassium.
    Other countries have inferior potassium.

    Kazakhstan home of Tinshein swimming pool.
    It’s length thirty meter and width six meter.
    Filtration system a marvel to behold.
    It remove 80 percent of human solid waste.

    Kazakhstan, Kazakhstan you very nice place.
    From Plains of Tarashek to Norther fence of Jewtown.
    Kazakhstan friend of all except Uzbekistan.
    They very nosey people with bone in their brain.

    Kazakhstan industry best in the world.
    We invented toffee and trouser belt.
    Kazakhstan’s prostitutes cleanest in the region.
    Except of course Turkmenistan’s

    Kazakhstan, Kazakhstan you very nice place.
    From Plains of Tarashek to Norther fence of Jewtown.
    Come grasp the might penis of our leader.
    From junction with the testes to tip of its face!

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  34. Re:First Post by jd · · Score: 2

    A "hacktivist" is someone who is either a Black Hat or a Grey Hat who uses their skills for political activist purposes rather than curiosity, non-directional malice, boredom or because they have a script. It has a definite meaning, it serves a definite purpose, so it's not a buzzword. It may be overused, but that's not the word's fault.

    I don't know if the word is in the OED yet, but if it is then it is a proper word. The OED is the bastion of the English Language and what it say goes. It is the only definitive source for the language and therefore any word therein is a part of the language.

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  35. Region is destabilizing rather rapidly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This really doesn't surprise me. I have family members who have been there for the past several months. They were there officially as English teachers, although honestly their main purpose was mission work. They had planned on staying for a year with their team, but after several events that happened in the past month or so, they ultimately had to pull out their team.

    About a month or so ago, there was a gunman who went on a killing spree. You can read the details online, but I think he killed something like 8 or 9 people. It was reported that he was a religious extremist, but of course the Kazakhstan government is playing down that aspect and claiming they were just "know criminals with a know criminal history committing more crimes." A week after that happened, the Peace Corps pulled out all their staff and workers almost overnight. The Peace Corps had been there since 1993, and they were quoted as saying that the violence had just gotten to too dangerous of a level. They also said that Kazakhstan had the highest reported level of sexual assaults and rapes of ANY country that the Peace Corps is stationed in. Although to be clear, I do not know if they were referring to assault/rape rates in general, or just assaults/rapes committed against Peace Corps members.

    About 3 weeks after the gunman, which was in a country about 100 miles from them, a very tragic event happened. One of their team members was found dead in his apartment by his roommate, who was also on their team. Their whole group, which is part of the Campus Crusade organization, has been very tight lipped about the whole ordeal. They claim that they have NO idea what happened to him, and aren't saying one way or another how he died. But according to a major Kazakhstan news organization, it was a murder. http://en.tengrinews.kz/crime/6036/ They reported that he was found with a bag over his head, and they also quote the police as saying that it was a murder, they just don't have a motive or a suspect at this time. There is even a reference to the Interior Department looking into it, which I assume is something like their version of the State Department. About 5 days after this all happened, they were out of the country. They would have been out faster, but the logistics of getting everything finalized and getting plane tickets took longer than they had anticipated.

    So the fact that the government is cutting off the internet doesn't surprise me. Kazakhstan just recently passed a law putting much harsher restrictions on religious freedom and expression. It has not historically been a country with a high level of fundamental Islam and terrorism, but that has started to change lately. They are trying very hard to keep their country from spiraling downward into a unstable region, as they are the #1 producer of oil in Central Asia. I think they have their minds in the right place, but I am afraid that the new restrictions will backfire on them.

    I don't generally agree with what my sister and brother in law are doing, and I don't think it is right that they are trying to get people to change their religion. I also think it was dishonest in how they got into the country. As far as the government of Kazakhstan is concerned, they were there as English teachers. The country apparently allows a certain number of official missionaries in each year, but is a very low number. So it was much easy and faster to get in as English teachers. They did actually teach lessons during the week, but it was only so they could meet college students to try and converse with about religion. But regardless of my opinions about what they were doing, it was obvious that they needed to get out of there. Campus Crusade really wanted them to be there, as they consider it a country with great potential. So for them to pull out really says something to me as to the safety and stability of the country.

    It really is a shame to see a country with a mostly moderate Islam population to start to be overrun by fundamentalist. There are alread

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  38. Re:First Post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    except for the mountweazels....those are all fake

  39. Re:What's the best low bandwidth way to send a msg by element-o.p. · · Score: 1

    I'd recommend RFC1149. It's slow and a lot less reliable than what we're used to, but less susceptible to having cables cut, ISPs shut down or routers powered off.

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  40. Re:First Post by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 1

    I think the good folks at the OED would take issue with your description. The OED is NOT definitive. It is documentative. They do not define words; they document how words are used. There is a BIG difference (at least in terms of operational philosophy and epistemological underpinnings) /rantonlyalinguistcouldlove

  41. Re:First Post by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 0

    I don't know how two assholes could even have sex. Unless they just sort of, scissored, or something

  42. Re:First Post by vikingpower · · Score: 1

    I don't know if the word is in the OED yet, but if it is then it is a proper word. The OED is the bastion of the English Language and what it say goes. It is the only definitive source for the language and therefore any word therein is a part of the language.

    I immediately looked it up on reading your comment. I happen to be the proud possessor of a paper OED copy. The word "hacktivistst"not in there, alas, among pretty words like "hackmanite" and "hackbushier". But then, the latest OED version is from 1989....

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  43. Kazakhstan... by vikingpower · · Score: 0

    ....is a godawfully forsaken country. I once had an affair with a Parisian lady whose husband had gone, for work, to Kazakhstan, a year earlier. He happened to take a picture of the wrong building. The Kazakh secret service arrested him, locked him up for six months and beat him senseless. On the testicles, that is. Obviously not much has changed in Kazakhstan, yet.

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  44. Re:First Post by Luckyo · · Score: 2

    Point of reference: lesbian vaginal sex.

  45. One more thing ... by dbIII · · Score: 2

    Why do you assume that nothing has progressed since those places were opened in in the 1990s? That's a very strange assumption if you ask me and implies that you think the place should have stayed as it was.

    1. Re:One more thing ... by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 1

      Wasn't my point.

      My point was that "Developed" in 1991 meant no internet at all, nevermind faster-than-56k modems. Invoking the USSR as if it was relevant to the discussion 20 years later, and throwing in a cheap "Amerikuns urr dum" jab while you were at it makes you look like a twat with an axe to grind. That or a moron. Why not point out that Genghis Khan's empire was run by a FANTASTIC bureaucracy as evidence that Kazakhstan today is every bit as well-run a country as Western Europe and East Asia, if not better than them? It'd be about as relevant.

  46. Stop reading your own baggage into it by dbIII · · Score: 1

    The above poster just clearly has no clue what a "developed country" is.

  47. Re:What's the best low bandwidth way to send a msg by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

    But it is susceptible to falcon-in-the-middle attacks.

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  48. Re:First Post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks for explaining it, captain obvious!

  49. Re:First Post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It adds more to the conversation that using buzzwords like "hacktivist".

    I happen to like that word. What's wrong with it?

    English is a bastard language, stealing from wherever and then mangling what it stole into whatever form it pleases. What's your problem?

    Yes the English language had diverse roots but came to a standardised form MANY moons ago, which is now being FUCKING MANGLED BY STUPID "buzzwords" and the blatherskites like you who not only promote the use of this poxy nonsense thinking it makesd them sound cool.
    it doesn't, it makes you sound like quite a cunt

  50. Re:What's the best low bandwidth way to send a msg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Go back in the shed with your toy radio where your mother left you, freak.

  51. Re:What's the best low bandwidth way to send a msg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  52. Wrong country by cvtan · · Score: 1

    Don't you guys mean ubeki-beki-beki-beki-stan-stan?

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  53. Re:What's the best low bandwidth way to send a msg by wisebabo · · Score: 1

    Thanks. I guess I should set up an (emergency) twitter account.

    Is there a publicly accessible database of all the twitter hashtags? So I'd know which ones to "broadcast" on? (like #takenbypolice or something like that?)

  54. Re:First Post by tqk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes the English language had diverse roots but came to a standardised form MANY moons ago ...

    Hogwash! As recently as Churchill ("... up with which, I will not put!"), it's been a lively language. Hell, all you need to do is put an Englishman in a room with a Scot, an Irish, an Aussie/Zealander, a Canuck, and a North and a South US-ian, and you'll be hard pressed to understand what anyone's saying. Extra points if the Englishman is Cockney.

    The French have been trying to set their language in stone for quite a while by law, and look how that's turned out.

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  55. Why!?! by ukemike · · Score: 1

    Why is that that the first time I hear about massive protests in Kazakhstan is a post on /. about hactivists doing an end run around an internet shutdown?

    Oh, yeah, I remember now... because I live in the good old USA where we have freedom of the press. That is freedom of the 6 (or is it 5 now) media corporations to ignore whatever they want.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/these-time-magazine-covers-explain-why-americans-know-nothing-about-the-world-2011-11

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  56. Re:What's the best low bandwidth way to send a msg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Has nobody heard of Hinternet? Too lazy too log in. KD8PJH

  57. Re:First Post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only person in that room speaking English is the English person. The rest are speaking dialogues of it. Modern English was standardised with Shakespeare. I agree with your previous post but no this one.

    Cockney's interesting and different, although it's still English, it's deliberately obfuscated.