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How To Thwart the High Priests In IT

GMGruman writes "You know the type: They want to control and restrict any technology in your office, maybe for job security, maybe as a power trip. As the 'consumerization of IT' phenomenon grows, such IT people are increasingly clashing with users, who bring in their own smartphones, use cloud apps, and work at home on their own equipment. These 'enemies' in IT are easy to identify, but there are subtler enemies within IT that also aim to prevent users from being self-sufficient in their technology use. That's bad for both users and IT, as it gets in the way of useful work for everyone. Here's what to look for in such hidden IT 'enemies,' and how to thwart their efforts to contain you."

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  1. Wow, what a stupid post by Improv · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While some people get the policies wrong, in general the idea of IT policies is a good one; the only way to support business policies is to allow for sensible IT policies to exist. If the IT policies don't serve the business policies, someone's not doing their job right, but that's not a problem with the idea of policies existing at all. If you want to "thwart" your IT people, you'd better have a damned good reason.

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    1. Re:Wow, what a stupid post by BlakJak-ZL1VMF · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ^ This. The IT dept's worst nightmare are employees who *think* they know better.

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    2. Re:Wow, what a stupid post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      it's not just a stupid post, it's a dumb shameless plug, look at the submitter and the article editor...

      very, very lame.

    3. Re:Wow, what a stupid post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually it's the job of IT to support the employees who are designing the products that bring in the revenue. It isn't the role of IT to dictate what those employees can use.

      We had an IT guy for a while who thought he was a dictator. He lasted about a week before we replaced him with a guy who realized his job was to make OUR jobs easier. He's quite good at it, too - he actually does make our jobs easier, which makes everyone more productive. If he was going to tell us, "Sorry, you can't use X or Y", he'd be out of here in a week too.

    4. Re:Wow, what a stupid post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In college, our home directories (using Linux) for the CS department were kept on NFS mounts. To distribute the load, the IT staff spread our home directories over numerous separate partitions, and to keep us within our allotted amount of space, so that we don't go, and fill up our accounts with junk (since we were using an old -- even for the time -- version of Slackware, "junk" could include Firefox, GNOME, and anything else that wasn't FVWM2.) the IT staff had turned on quotas.

      If you think about it, there is one was to do all of this, that leaves a fairly large gaping security hole towards indefinite storage space. If you don't set everyone's quota to 0 on all the shares that do NOT contain their home directory, then you're giving the user unlimited quota space on that share. But how would they ever exploit something like that? I mean, it would require two students on two different shares to collude to have one of them setup a directory owned by the other in their own home directory, and thus all quotas on that partition would be meaningless. Why if setup properly, anyone could just soft-link this directory into their own home directory, and exploit all of the programs that the user has compiled and setup! The user/{rogue IT admin} could even make a script to make it easy as pie to import it, and even send out messages about updates, and upgrades!

      Cut to months later, I had a usable GNOME installation, Firefox, and a recent version of OpenSSH that actually supported remote X support (I told you, this was a crazy old version of Slackware! Of course, out of concern for security of others, the "ssh" wasn't imported unless you had set the IMPORT_SSH environment variable to "1", so no claims of keylogging or whatnot) However during one unsuccessful build attempt, I seem to have filled up the partition, and left it in that state somehow, which resulted in the IT department finding out, which lead to them being very upset with me, and locking my account requiring me to come in and talk to them to unlock it.

      On a positive note, I think they realized that they couldn't just use the same old slackware forever, and started upgrading the OS. The following year, we actually had GNOME and KDE available to us, and KDE by default, rather than FVWM2.

    5. Re:Wow, what a stupid post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually it's the job of IT to support the employees who are designing the products that bring in the revenue.

      Right and wrong. IT's job is more than just facilitating the ability for engineers to do their job (not all companies even have engineers). It's about corporate security, regulatory compliance, and SLA compliance.

      A good IT department will make compromises between all of these things. The business needs to be flexible enough to allow engineers, salesmen, etc. to be agile so as to be competitive in the market, but not to the point of anarchy where an untested/uncertified smartphone gets lost and results in sensitive data going into the wrong hands due to the lack of remote management of said devices, resulting in regulatory fines or competitive disadvantage. Similarly, any sane IT department is going to have a supported platforms/devices list. You cannot provide an SLA to the business on a device you've never seen and done any interop testing with.

      Sorry, it's obvious you don't understand the challenges of a real business.

    6. Re:Wow, what a stupid post by jaymz666 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Creating solid policies that protect the network and the company from intrusion of just plain failing should always come before Joe sixpack employee hooking his iPad to the network.

      It will often take some time to make sure that adverse affects will occur, or to sure up infrastructure. But very few IT people are gods on high, they want to help.

    7. Re:Wow, what a stupid post by BlakJak-ZL1VMF · · Score: 5, Informative

      Agree with the other response; you apparently have the wrong end of the straw.

      The IT dept support the _company_, not individual employees. If you want a tool that the company hasn't provided you, the right channel to go through is via management and the procurement process. Then your required tool gets a proper introduction-to-service and your IT guy is appropriate trained and ready to support it, rather than just having it shoved in his lap because it's the new toy you've just decided you 'need'.

      if it's a device that you need for business purposes, the business will provide it for you. (Or should, if it's a genuine need.)

      The influx of personal smart devices into business is great; but if you expect to connect them to my corporate network, you best be prepared to see them integrate into my corporate network requirements around security and support. I've seen policies from 'sure, but you support it' through to 'absolutely not' and the support guy's job is to enforce that policy. No more, no less. Oh and by the way, support guy rarely dictates policy, most especially in larger companies.

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    8. Re:Wow, what a stupid post by epyT-R · · Score: 2

      actually, sometimes the best way to support these people is to say 'no.' in other cases, saying 'yes' creates problems down the line that you are blamed for, and these people don't want to hear how their demands caused them.

    9. Re:Wow, what a stupid post by serverglitch · · Score: 5, Informative

      The submission appears to be by the same guy who wrote the article just trying to stir up attention with nonsense directed at a mostly tech community. Professional trolling from someone that wants more hits on his website.

    10. Re:Wow, what a stupid post by jrminter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      if it's a device that you need for business purposes, the business will provide it for you. (Or should, if it's a genuine need.)

      In an ideal world, yes. I really wish I worked in one. I work in an organization under "severe budget constraints" (unless you are senior management, then it looks pretty cushy to those of us in the trenches.) If we don't buy and use our own stuff, we have to limp along with "stone knives and bearskins" (thank you, Leonard Nimoy and Star Trek). Our choice is to work around IT or get hammered at performance review time for "not getting the job done."

    11. Re:Wow, what a stupid post by Tanuki64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I am so glad I don't work in system administration anymore. Tools like you really were a pest. My first job was system administration. The person I replaced was a really good administrator. If good administrator means that he was liked by the rest of the company. Ok, when I examined the server I discovered a rootkit, some unknown outside party had access to this company's servers for month, but hey, shit happens. This is only a small problem as long as the employees were able to surf their porn sites. I built a firewall, cleaned the servers and all computers in this company and generally closed a whole bunch of security holes. What happened? Did I get thanked? Bah, a few weeks later I had a very inconvnient talk with the boss. Sure, I was the BOFH and the mobbing started. Everything worked under the old administrator, why can I idiot not keep everything as convenient as my predecessor? For instance he never forced anybody to use scp instead of ftp to get their files. And really all websites worked. I quit after about three month. Don't know what happened. Perhaps they were able to get their old, good administrator back. At least for a while. Because what I know, is that this company does not exist anymore.

    12. Re:Wow, what a stupid post by lakeland · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well yes, but I think you're implicitly overestimating the typical cost of "resulting in regulatory fines or competitive disadvantage". When was the last time you heard of a company getting fined or giving data to a competitor as a result of a data leak from a lost piece of computer equipment? When was the last time you heard a salesman say they lose time to IT policies.

      I personally have had two clients because it's easier for them to outsource the work than it is to get their IT enabling that work to be carried out internally. As you say it's all about compromises, but in my experience the way those compromises fall depends much more on the political clout of IT than on any intelligent assessment of the risk and benefit.

    13. Re:Wow, what a stupid post by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm inclined to agree. GP comes across as the kind of feckless twat who equates making everyone's job easier with doing everything they say and no questions asked.

      I'll tell you whose job it doesn't make easier - the one who has to clean up the inevitable wreck that occurs when you take understanding the users (a good thing) a step too far and let them run the show.

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    14. Re:Wow, what a stupid post by BlakJak-ZL1VMF · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This old argument... I know exactly what you mean, but if your productivity is being hindered by 'stone knives and bearskins' then surely this is something that management simply get to live with? When Management cease to support the employee, surely the employee should become a 'timecard-worker'....

      if your productivity is high, they're going to think all is well. Let your productivity slide and when they ask why, point out to them how they're screwing themselves over with their stone-age conventions?

      Sucks I know, but otherwise you're shooting yourself in the foot.

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    15. Re:Wow, what a stupid post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When was the last time you heard of a company getting fined or giving data to a competitor as a result of a data leak from a lost piece of computer equipment?

      First of all, that was just a singular example of IT security. There are numerous other attack vectors that IT has to enumerate, assess, and control.

      Second of all, the reason why you don't hear about it is, firstly, it's rarely a front page news story when $RANDOM_COMPANY loses a harddrive full of customer account information (unless it's a particularly large breach). Secondly, the actual fines (which are, for the most part, a recent legislative creation) are incentivizing companies to actually implement the proper IT policies such as device encryption and remote wipe / disable. So the problem is starting to be solved.

      When was the last time you heard a salesman say they lose time to IT policies.

      Not the first time I've heard "It's IT's fault" from underperformaing salesmen. I'm not going to say IT is always innocent, but I've been around long enough to seen the patterns.

      I personally have had two clients because it's easier for them to outsource the work than it is to get their IT enabling that work to be carried out internally

      Specific examples? I'm not saying you're lying, but I can't argue with vague generalities.

    16. Re:Wow, what a stupid post by jaymz666 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Did you miss the "help" part? If there is a need to get it onto the network then it will get on the network.

      Joe Developer needs to build in time to his project for technical setup and issues if the infrastructure isn't already available to do what needs done, but IT doesn't know what needs to be done until they are made aware of it. They need to have some time to create the correct environment for that requirement to work correctly.

      Bringing in a wifi router and hooking it up to your network jack is not the answer either,

    17. Re:Wow, what a stupid post by Genda · · Score: 5, Informative

      I've been on both sides of this conversation and I understand the temptation for engineers and techies to just figure out a local solution, get the job done and be productive in the moment. Now just for a moment, put yourself in the position of an IT professional.

      They are responsible for: The whole intranet working, efficiently, cooperatively, and securely. You have 10-20 little network fiefdoms, with different hardware, operating systems, application software, security, network interfaces, proprietary services and infrastructure and degree of collaboration and shared resources. Now you have to make this mob of PCs, Macs, Linux/Unix servers, and personal devices, all singing, all dancing, while sharing consolidated storage and corporate resources. You have to have consistent access and availability to the internet. You have to provide intranet access to dozens or hundred of smart phones, tablets and laptops, while at the same time providing some semblance of security and application accessibility (have you got even the foggiest idea how easy it is to have a bluetooth device and use it to get into a corporate network?)

      You have to meet corporate guidelines, bring up ethical issues (should or shouldn't employees expect their email to be private when it runs through corporate servers?) and stay on top of the growing list of compliance to government regulation. The last item is an issue the keeps IT specialist up at night. The government is making it absolutely clear that it's willing to hammer large businesses that don't meet minimum federal standards for data security and compliance. Add to that laws which intrude into business operation (everything from HIPPA to DMCA) and IT has to be on top of nearly every byte comes and goes from an enterprise server.

      Then of course you have employees, accessing social networks, reading anything from funnies to personal email, streaming music and video on corporate servers and networks, playing games and doing any of a thousand things they probably shouldn't be doing on a corporate network. Laptops, pads and smart phones come and go all day, and expose your secure data to terrible threat. Anybody can now plug a 128 GB USB thumb-drive into computer and slurp off a ton of proprietary data.

      All those personal devices, with different OSs; IOS, Android, OSX, Windows, Blackberry, and all those devices with different apps some play nice, but whole bunch are shoddy slap-together security disasters. If you have recently heard about huge breaches in banking and financial institutions or massive government fine against corporations that didn't comply with new regulations in data security or proper operating practices, you're simply not been paying attention to the business news. All of this becomes even more critical for a start-up or small company. Lose you IP and goodbye company. Breach a serious government restriction and there goes your company and the penalties nowadays may not end with just fines.

      Play nice with your IT team. Yes, there are occasionally despotic little tinpot dictators protecting their little corporate territory (I find however, that is more often than not the fault of higher management, and that such fiefdoms abound in such an organization) bur for the most part, more often though, your IT professional are there to provide the best service they can inside the constraints of best corporate practice. IT just needs to find the best balance between the needs of the corporation vs the needs of the individual. Talk to your IT manager, come up with a clear procedure for submitting apps to IT for review, and if they don't violate corporate standards, can be integrated into the corporate environment.

    18. Re:Wow, what a stupid post by DragonTHC · · Score: 2

      agreed, the worst security threat to any business is the user, like the original poster.

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    19. Re:Wow, what a stupid post by multimediavt · · Score: 2

      I'm inclined to agree. GP comes across as the kind of feckless twat who equates making everyone's job easier with doing everything they say and no questions asked.

      I'll tell you whose job it doesn't make easier - the one who has to clean up the inevitable wreck that occurs when you take understanding the users (a good thing) a step too far and let them run the show.

      Ahhh. but isn't that about setting expectations, not necessarily letting them run the show. The role of IT is to enhance the productivity of *ALL* employees in a company, not just the engineers, not just the bean counters, not just the execs, not just the IT department. Employees have different jobs and different needs and IT needs to be flexible in helping ALL employees be more efficient WITHOUT sacrificing security or regulatory compliance. How do you do that? By having periodic meetings with department heads and individual employees. You have to make them feel like they can come to you when they have an idea about something they might want to use, whatever that technology is. You have to then set expectations for deployment by making that employee (or those) understand what YOU as an IT person has to do to vet the technology, integrate it, and then deploy it. That's what the dictatorial types don't do! They create an adversarial relationship with the people they are supposed to be supporting and helping be better at their jobs. When that type of relationship exists, not only does the company suffer, but so does the IT department. I can't tell you how many IT positions I've walked into and started these meetings, listening to the employees tell me how they NEVER had the previous person(s) do this, "All they would do is tell us, 'NO!'" Your life is better, their life is better, and you don't have egregious messes to clean up because everyone talks to each other and knows what's up. Of course, you will have some personalities that will still conflict, but then you have ammo to go to THEIR boss and say, "Hey! This guy/girl is causing problems."

    20. Re:Wow, what a stupid post by GuruBuckaroo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If I am held responsible for the smooth uninterrupted operation of a network, then I will most certainly take ownership of it. If you think that the IT department contributes zero to the bottom line, ask yourself how that bottom line would look if your network had 50% uptime instead of 99% or better.

      If you aren't willing to let your Systems Administrators take ownership of IT assets, you really need to go back to abacuses and legal pads.

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    21. Re:Wow, what a stupid post by anonymov · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What's wrong with calling it "my network"? It's not much different from builder saying "my project", when he built it for the company, and developer saying "my program", when he wrote it for the company.

      He built it. He's responsible for it's operation, security and availability for all users. It's his network, not in the ownership sense, but in the sense of being most involved in it. He _does_ know better.

      And really, cut it out with "You're just a liability, do what I want" (or the other popular "IT is just modern plumbing") nonsense.

      You will push your sales just well without plumbing - in fact, you'll probably do the sales just fine up to the knee in shit if it's holiday season and management tells you to.

      You won't be able to do shit without functioning computer infrastructure in 99% modern office jobs and half of factory jobs.

      That's why letting you use your iPad comes distant second after keeping the system oiled and running.

      If you need it, prove to the management that it'll help you move more stuff - it can't be hard if you know what you're doing and what you want it to do. Then we'll be able to plan for your needs and research how to let your iPad on our net.

      If you don't know, but have a gut feel it'll help you - again, tell the management. We'll figure it out with your management and tell you.

      But "I need it because I need it and you must make it happen" doesn't work even with CEO. Really, CEO who knows what's best for him does come to IT to ask how to integrate his stuff in the network. It's not like "Do it in 5 minutes flat or else! And I don't care for security-schmecurity (which he himself approved as well, by the way)"

      And surely, employees can have their Android and iPhones, if they don't mind it being set up for security compliance - again, after research and proper planning.

    22. Re:Wow, what a stupid post by prisoner-of-enigma · · Score: 5, Funny

      When you call it "my corporate network", you have defined yourself as the exact IT staff users complain about. It's not your network, unlesss you own the corporation itself. It is the company's network.

      I think you drew the wrong conclusion from the GP's phrasing. Having been an IT Director for several companies, I commonly referred to any equipment or applications that I was responsible for as "mine." It doesn't mean I own it. It means it's my job to make sure it's up, available, reliable, and secure at all times.

      Sure you keep things up and running, but you're not making the products, or out there selling them. Therefore, you're job is wholly dependent on your ability to let the breadwinners of the company do what they do best. If they find they feel more comfortable on an iPad, your job isn't to defend "your" network from an unsanctioned device. Your job is to make sure the device works, so that the employee who is generating the dollars that pay your salary and benefits can continue to do so.

      You're both right and wrong here. My job *is* to make sure the breadwinners can do what they do best. Now, please tell me how they can do that when the whole network's been taken down because Mr. Breadwinner brought in his shiny new doo-dad -- which got infected at home before it ever hit the corporate network -- and allowed an outside party to get in and screw everything up. Tell me how customers will keep using our company's services after all their personal data was stolen and sold on the black market after a compromised device was used to hack a server. Tell me how long our company will be in business after Mr. Disgruntled Employee wandered out the door on his last day with our complete client list, pricing data, project plans, etc. all ready to be turned over to the competitor he's leaving us for.

      It happens a lot more often than you think. Most intrusions these days are the result of compromised *internal* systems reaching out to external entities for command & control rather than nefarious outside hackers trying to ram their way through the corporate firewalls, DMZ's, and so forth. The *least* secure place on almost any network is the "inside network" where all the PC's, laptops, and shiny new doo-dads Mr. Breadwinner brought in lives. The absolute dumbest thing any IT group can do is give carte blanche to folks who want to bring in any whiz-bang device they just happened to pick up at Best Buy last night.

      My job is to make sure *everyone* can do their job, not just the people in direct client-facing roles. Remember, even though *you* may bring the money in the door, Payroll pays *your* paycheck and benefits the same as it pays mine. If they're down, none of us gets paid...including you, Mr. Breadwinner.

      Because if the CEO comes in with a new device, I don't know about you, but I've never known it was an option to tell him "no, you have to go return that" if it was at all possible it would e made to work. And if their iPad or android tablet can work for them, it should be a no brainer that any other employee in the enterprise that requires remote email access should be able to use the same.

      Any reasonably-structured IT organization has a published policy or set of policies governing approved devices. These policies are enforced regardless of employee rank or position. If the CEO wants to violate IT policy, the CIO should vigorously object. Should the CEO insist, he may get his way, but the policy violation will be documented and the CEO will be held responsible for any fallout. This is enough to desist all but the most idiotic CEO's. There are regulations governing pretty much every major industry, regulations requiring something like a security policy with company-wide compliance. Violating this is a good way to get your business shut down, even if the violation never results in any breach (i.e. it's only discovered in an audit).

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    23. Re:Wow, what a stupid post by mdhoover · · Score: 2

      Let me guess, no-one wanted to provide support for the authors ipad or his shadow infrastructure sitting under his desk on 3 year old unsupported equipment.

      Some hints for the articles author

      Provide a damned business case for the toys (yes, they are toys) and how they are going to improve efficiency/save costs for the organisation as a whole.
      Hell if your business case is good Management and IT may agree to supply and roll out the toys.

    24. Re:Wow, what a stupid post by mbkennel · · Score: 4, Informative

      "Well yes, but I think you're implicitly overestimating the typical cost of "resulting in regulatory fines or competitive disadvantage". When was the last time you heard of a company getting fined or giving data to a competitor as a result of a data leak from a lost piece of computer equipment? "

      Where I work, the prospective clients insist on various security audits of procedures in our company before they are willing to buy our products or share their data with us (necessary for the work we do). This is standard.

      Loopholes == losing huge deals.

    25. Re:Wow, what a stupid post by SecurityTheatre · · Score: 2

      It isn't the role of IT to dictate what those employees can use.

      Any good IT staff (especially IT Management) is there because they know exactly how to balance between usability and other business concerns that may include overhead costs, support costs, service levels, security and actual business cases. It IS THEIR JOB to dictate what devices are housing proprietary company data and which devices are allowed to connect to the cororpoate network. Management had mandated that they do that. They are not coming up with it out of a hat, or a desire to be a dictator (to be fair, maybe a few are, but most aren't).

      There are plenty of cases where a new technology has a prudent business case for adoption and carries a low risk to the organization. It is IT's job to determine that. If they do a poor job of that, then, by all means, bring it up with management and ask them to build the business case.

      However, a common example... middle managers want to put a portal to access company financials on their iPad instead of the secure laptops they are provided.

      There is a huge risk to company information and assets if this information is disclosed. In fact, in a public company, if someone is found to have willingly violated the rules in facilitating this leak, they are guilty of violating SEC laws regarding insider trading and could face felony charges. If an IT staffer told them to use their iPad in violation of company policy, he may face those charges instead.

      Realistically, an iPad on a public wifi (or sitting on a table in the airport) was a ripe target for information theft until fairly recently. The new OS is a bit more secure and there are some more remote management capabilities. It is beginning to get into the realm of "maybe ok to use", but still needs a business case.

      If the business case is "laptop is so ugly..." Does management seriously have to buy off on a notable business risk to facilitate that?

      Really?

    26. Re:Wow, what a stupid post by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When you call it "my corporate network", you have defined yourself as the exact IT staff users complain about.

      Fine. When the CORPORATE network blows up, it isn't "mine", and I won't give a shit. How does THAT sound?

      "My Network" doesn't imply "ownership" as much as it does "complete responsibility", which is why TWITS like you don't get it. "My Network" is something that I take a great deal of pride in. It is MY responsibility, and therefore it is MY network. It is like the sales guys getting all upset when another sales rep "steals my client". It isn't your client, it is the company. That isn't YOUR desk, it is the company's. It isn't your office, it is the Company's.

      You get the point now?

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    27. Re:Wow, what a stupid post by msobkow · · Score: 2

      Lose you IP and goodbye [startup] company

      You mean there are still people naive enough to think that "secrecy" will protect their idea?

      Guess what -- ideas aren't new in 99.999% of cases. They were originated by science fiction authors and science journal pundits/researchers decades or even centuries ago. We still haven't implemented some of the ideas that creative minds like Newton or Jules Verne came up with, much less dealt with the practical side of the philosophical issues around artificial intelligence vs. "human" rights raised by Dr. Asimov.

      This is the main reason I feel nothing but contempt for the entire concept of the patent system. Only an implementation of something should be patentable, and in the case of software, copyright and licensing already provide that protection. The idea of patenting business ideas and processes, user interface standards such as touch screen gestures or Bezos' "1-click" are absolutely asinine, laughable, ludicrous, and criminally negligent of paying attention to reality.

      The best defense is a good offense -- get your source code out there under a protective license so that when the inevitable patent lawsuit troll shows up, you can point to umpteen years of public development and say "You should have known about this before filing for your patent. I have prior art. Publicly accessible prior art. You didn't even Google to see if someone already came up with the idea. Now Eff Off with your lawsuit!"

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    28. Re:Wow, what a stupid post by Compaqt · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, he is a gatekeeper, and he enforces corporate information security.

      Do you give the same speech to the guy that keeps the actual gate (at the corporate parking lot entrance or front door)?

      The guy at the gate is enforcing corporate physical security, under the direction of the facilities/security manager, who is working under direction of the company (in whatever form that company ownership and command is exercised in that particular company- board, proprietor, etc.).

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    29. Re:Wow, what a stupid post by ghostdoc · · Score: 2

      Lose you IP and goodbye [startup] company

      You mean there are still people naive enough to think that "secrecy" will protect their idea?

      Yes. There's a perfectly valid form of IP protection called 'Trade Secrets' that relies on the thing being protected being kept secret. Companies relying on this protection, and there are a lot of them, must take very careful steps to ensure that the secret being protected is actually protected, and document that protection.
      The archetypal example of this protection is the Coca-cola recipe, which is unpatented, still secret and still protected.

      The protection that Trade Secrets gives is that if someone in your company betrays you and gives your secret to a competitor, you have the right to compensation from the competitor and the betrayer, if you can prove your case in court.

      Bad IT implementation could potentially ruin your chances of claiming your secret was protected, and invalidate your Trade Secrets protection.

      Not all IP protection is about Patents, and while Patents are broken in the software world, they do work well in medicine and genetic research.

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    30. Re:Wow, what a stupid post by kdemetter · · Score: 2

      Similarly, any sane IT department is going to have a supported platforms/devices list. You cannot provide an SLA to the business on a device you've never seen and done any interop testing with.

      Sorry, it's obvious you don't understand the challenges of a real business.

      There's another concept : IT provides you with the best tools, so you don't have to look for it. So you gain time.

      Say for example you would have to communicate with each other, and there is no standard company way to do it :
      - Some people might use gmail
      - Some people might install skype
      - Some people might install live messenger
      - Others might use facebook to communicate with each other.

      Now, if i need to reach everyone in the company, and make sure i get replied from everyone in the company, i would have to check all of these, in order to get replies. That an enormous waste of time.

      A good IT department makes sure you have 1 official channel for communication, and everyone uses that for official communication.
      No one cares that the next team outing is planned trough google calendar or doodle, but if you have an important business meeting to schedule, do it trough the official company planning tool.

    31. Re:Wow, what a stupid post by Rakarra · · Score: 2

      Again it's the company network. You're not the gatekeeper

      He's the gatekeeper if the management set as one of his roles to be the gatekeeper.

    32. Re:Wow, what a stupid post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      When was the last time you heard of a company getting fined or giving data to a competitor as a result of a data leak from a lost piece of computer equipment?

      Actually, I have my current job [at a large, prominent insurance brokerage] because my predecessor cost the company over a million dollars in fines when he lost track of a single backup tape by way of shipping in a manner that was explicitly counter to the company's stated policy... as defined by upper IT management just one month prior (specifically to avoid this exact type of mishap).

      Confidential, personally-identifiable customer data is out in the wild, and that's not a good thing.

    33. Re:Wow, what a stupid post by ArhcAngel · · Score: 2

      If you want a tool that the company hasn't provided you, the right channel to go through is via management and the procurement process.

      I recently encountered a situation where a dept. director (who happened to be friends with the VP) managed to get a project green lighted to create a MS Access DB for her group. She even got permission to hire a dedicated MS Access programmer. The company has likely spent millions on our Oracle system but the director had used Access in a past job. The first IT ( me ) heard about the project was when I received the request to install Access on ~40 systems so the DB could go live! The director (who I am friends with) didn't understand why most of the words out of my mouth were of the 4 letter variety. When I asked why our Oracle developers were not engaged for the project instead her answer was it would take too long and the guy she hired only knew Access. Since we do have a large Oracle infrastructure Access is not supported (DUH). We will install it if you request it since it comes with our Office site license but you are on your own (yeah right). Well the guy is gone and now they want support...oops.

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  2. Sour Grapes by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sounds like the article was written by a tool with no understanding of how enterprise IT works, and no grasp of what bringing alien, unknown systems into contact with critical infrastructure can lead to.

    1. Re:Sour Grapes by girlintraining · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Sounds like the article was written by a tool with no understanding of how enterprise IT works, and no grasp of what bringing alien, unknown systems into contact with critical infrastructure can lead to.

      Yeah... then there's my job, where somebody recently pushed out a GPO update that was supposed to make internet explorer "more secure" by preventing downloads. It's been five days now, and our company is at a virtual standstill... it's costing tens of millions every day, probably more. Bonus: I work for a major health insurance provider in the US.

      The problem is when you get people who just start adding restriction after restriction with no understanding of what it does not just to productivity and worker morale, but in some cases to the very applications they support.

      It's like how they've encrypted my whole drive and then added 3 antivirus scanners to it, running constantly... and now they're planning on upgrading to Windows 7. The only reason the system works at all is because it has 4GB to run XP ... and a couple web browser windows. It chokes on anything more.

      No, IT policy is often both foolish and stupid, and getting around it is the only way to get work done. Unless you don't care about that sort of thing, in which case, yeah... feel free to do nothing until they fire you and replace you with someone who does bypass the policies. IT has become like marketing that way -- sure, it's probably against policy, but if you want to make quota, you better ignore them too.

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  3. Rarely read such a nonsense by Tanuki64 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Nothing more to say.

    1. Re:Rarely read such a nonsense by Thing+1 · · Score: 2

      Huh. You said more less than an hour later.

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  4. IT Don't make the rules generally.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Management make the rules, if management say no iphones, and you then thwart them.... you've gone against management wishes.... which can be disastrous for a job you like.

    Of course Iphones in this example was simply that.

  5. Overhead by Scutter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    IT is overhead. It's a cost center. It generally does not generate revenue. Maintaining an infrastructure costs the company money. Every time you want to bring in your personal equipment, we have to figure out how to support it and that raises the company's overhead. Instead of making IT justify why we don't want to support your Widget Of The Day, why don't YOU justify to the company why you're increasing costs and then work to have that increase added to IT's budget so that we can actually afford to support your crap without having to divert funds away from things that the company has already approved?

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    1. Re:Overhead by jroysdon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Except when your uber-important report or presentation or project or whatever is lost and when your laptop goes belly-up and you want to waste IT's time to try and recover it.

      Yeah, the problem is these folks want all the freedom and none of the responsibility for maintaining their own gear.

      How about when there is a lawsuit and all emails, IMs, etc., must be collected? Do you really want your personal laptop being inventoried for all of this? I think not. There is a good reason for a line between business and personal.

  6. Yea..but users don't make policy. by geekforhire · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I certainly understand that users want to use what is easy for them but they need to understand that they don't set policy. I listen to any reasonable requests and if they fit within our policy (or if it makes sense to change the policy to allow it) I will authorize their request. However, understand that I have been working in IT for over 20 years and know a thing or two that you probably don't. Its not a power trip, its my job, it is what they pay me to do. Employees need to understand that its not personal. If their request was denied I had a very good reason to do so. Get over it, move along.

    1. Re:Yea..but users don't make policy. by jbolden · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Except that your job and your policies can interfere with their job. By your logic they can break your policies, because it is their job and it what they get paid to do, its not personal; and you should get over it and move along.

      Or maybe you need to try and figure out what unmet business need is driving the desire for a new device and meet the need so they don't even want the new device.

  7. Someone wasn't allowed to bring his toys to work.. by gtirloni · · Score: 3, Funny

    Just saying.

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  8. Welcome to Clueville, population: You by pla · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seriously? We don't want uncontrolled portable devices on our networks because we don't control them. We can't force-install AV software (if it even exists for your favorite no-name phone/player/tablet/whatever), we can't even do basic cleanup of them without your cooperation.

    And that only describes them as a potential vector for attack. We also can't control who else has access to them, can't wipe remotely without your permission, can't keep you from leaving it, complete with the latest super-secret corporate strategy on it, in the bar at a random trade show.

    Dislike of portables has nothing to do with controlling you, and everything to do with controlling and protecting what the company pays us to - Their IT infrastructure and digital IP.

    1. Re:Welcome to Clueville, population: You by tepples · · Score: 2

      We can't force-install AV software (if it even exists for your favorite no-name phone/player/tablet/whatever)

      If antivirus software doesn't exist for a particular platform, then that platform probably has no viruses to speak of either.

    2. Re:Welcome to Clueville, population: You by myrdos2 · · Score: 2

      I develop software for a small company, and it sounds like you administer a large one... but when you say: "Dislike of portables has nothing to do with controlling you", I think you are lying. You would like to force me to install AV software (you can't, I develop in Linux), clean up my machine (whatever that means), wipe it without my permission, stop me from taking it with me, and generally have control over everything I do on the system.

      I can imagine this making a certain amount of sense if computers connected to the work network had special privileges over external machines (they don't), or if we prevented remote login to our servers (we don't). Other than protecting me from my perceived incompetence, they only reason I could see for taking away control of my own machine is that you don't trust me not to run off with IP or company secrets. But I doubt you'd be able to accomplish that no matter what you do.

      In short, it seems to be more about control than security. I'm not sure that up-time is an issue here either, since I can always put my laptop away and switch to the IT-administered PC on my desk if it should die.

  9. Completely brain-dead by ErikTheRed · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's the sort of stupid article you'd expect from an organization that is supposedly all about information technology, but is so backwards that they're endlessly pestering me to take a free subscription to their dead-tree edition. If their web site isn't even worth visiting for free articles, why would they think I want to spend the effort moving their magazine from my mailbox directly to the trash?

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  10. Dear GMGruman... by Richard_at_work · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Dear GMGruman,

    Go fuck yourself.

    Yours sincerely,
    Pretty much every sysadmin anywhere that's been tasked with providing IT services to keep a business running as productively and profitably as possible, in spite of people like yourself.

  11. So... How do you thwart the high priests of IT? by bigsexyjoe · · Score: 3

    The article starts by saying there are good IT people who help you and bad IT people who make things difficult. From there he just whines and whines about nothing. His only advice about "thwarting the high priests of IT" is to complain to the CIO. Of course everyone complains to the CIO about the tech staff, but he or she will apparently be dazzled by your insight that some IT workers are good and some are bad.

    The only non-obvious thought in this article is referring to bad IT workers at the "High Priests of IT." However, it is only non-obvious because it is really stupid. And if you actually go around saying "the High Priests of IT" then you are a bigger dickhead than almost any IT guy ever met.

  12. On the money, whether BOFHs admit it or not by russotto · · Score: 2, Insightful

    IT is often the "prevention of information services department". User figures out a better way to do something, IT blocks it. Prescribed methods of doing things don't work well; user goes around them, IT blocks or complains to management. User wants something done, IT demands business justification and signatures from at least two executive VPs. User does it himself, IT finds out and makes him stop.

    1. Re:On the money, whether BOFHs admit it or not by prisoner-of-enigma · · Score: 2

      Of course it isn't. But when the IT-blessed process to do it takes 12 weeks and results in shared space with a 10MB quota and a network connection with dialup speed and satellite latency, people are going to take shortcuts.

      If even the simplest things are a struggle to accomplish and anything slightly complicated requires escalation (which always looks bad in the eyes of the manager -- escalating means you couldn't figure out how to do your job), IT IS the problem.

      You act as if IT is arbitrarily handing these things down because they want to be assholes. While I'm sure that happens somewhere, sometimes, with some people, I've never yet worked for any organization where that was the case and I've been doing this for more than two decades. What you describe sounds like the expected outcome of an IT organization that's overtasked, underpowered, and with too few resources to properly service user needs. Takes 12 weeks? The testing and certification lab is almost certainly understaffed, underequipped, undertrained, or all three. End up with 10MB quota? Looks like the SAN budget didn't get approved as IT requested. Dialup speed and satellite latency? Guess the network folks didn't get their budget items, either.

      It's not a grand conspiracy to screw you. You're not important enough to have an entire organization dedicated to stopping you from getting your job done.

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  13. Job security, power trip, or good standards by Culture20 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This was probably written by the dude who routinely roots his box (calls Dell to get the BIOS reset code, uses a bootcd, et voila) so that he can install PC anywhere because it's VITAL for his side business and he knows IT will say "no".

  14. The article is crap by dave562 · · Score: 2

    The article is complete flamebait, and many other posters have pointed that out.

    The solution to home brew IT and people wanting to use their own devices is simple. Setup Citrix VDI or something similar. The Citrix receiver runs on everything.. iBlah, Android, web browsers, etc. The "cutting edge, tech savvy users" can use their lame devices, and all of the application code and information stays safe on the corporate network.

    To flip the author's logic back around him, he suggests that users using their own devices are making things easier on corporate IT. They are empowering themselves at their own cost. Good for them. Let them pay for their Citrix licenses and infrastructure costs. If they really want to "partner with IT" and be an "IT ally" (to use the idiotic author's verbiage) , they can go ahead and come up with some funding. Nothing makes friends like throwing money around.

  15. Galen Gruman, you have trolled and I'm respoding by onyxruby · · Score: 5, Informative

    All right, Mr Gruman you have trolled and since I'm one of your bad guys I'm going to respond and enlighten you:

    They want control, and users who want to choose their technology tools are apostates to be crushed.

    I have best practices that tell me to control these things that you want to let roam free. I also happen to have laws, and some of these laws have very large financial penalties or the possibility of jail time.

    Mr Gruman, how many attorney generals have you had conversations with after someone went ahead and did what you wanted done? I'm willing to bet it's not as many as I have had and that you've never had to deal with the results of your company making the international news because someone decided to bypass IT.

    When you come across an IT pro stupid enough to use the "toys" epithet, complain to your CIO. Send the IT person back and ask for someone who actually respects you. Marginalize and isolate these IT staffers before they do it to you.

    Your insight into how to play dirty politics to get your "Toy" into the office shows your complete lack of an understanding of how the enterprise works. Is your department going to pay for the budget for the time needed to support your toys?

    Instead, you hear the code phrases, involving "security," "governance," "compliance," "risk," and "efficiency." These code phrases (the middle three are often referred to as a group via the acronym "GCR") boil down to "if you do it, it will be bad; if we do it, it will be good."

    These code phrases are code for things like "mutli-million dollar fines", "angry attorney generals", "class action lawsuits", "criminal negligence", "security clearance", "ethics", "privacy" and other such things.

    You see this is what happens when some petty ass whiny twit such as yourself goes to the CIO and says I want my toy and the IT department won't let me have it. The CIO comes to the IT department and says, "why won't you let this twit have his toy" and we're going to come back with something like "federal law, accountability, public relations disaster".

    You know what Mr Gruman, I have never, ever lost that argument. When you take into account that regulation is only increasing the odds that I might lose that argument drop even further.

    Now Mr Gruman, instead you should try the tactic of saying "IT Department, I want to use this toy for business purposes and not just as a toy, can you please look too see if we can?". You might have a perfectly legitimate case, and it might be very reasonable to do what you want, but you have to ask so that we can see if we can do that without avoiding nasty code words.

    Just remember my code words can and have cost companies many millions of dollars when someone blew them off and ignored the IT department.

  16. I actually read the article... by Angst+Badger · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...but I stopped counting how many times the author recommended trying to cost people their jobs for actually doing them after the third time. I'd like to offer something more insightful in response, but I'm afraid I'm left with "What a smug asshole."

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  17. Re:Plumbers by someone1234 · · Score: 2

    I don't think IT guys want to control your bathtub. They are more like want to prevent you to bring in your private jacuzzi to the 10th floor, when there is already a regular bathtub. And you are the reckless guy who causes flood on the floors 1-9 despite the plumbers' advice.

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  18. A better headline, and a funny story by MasterOfGoingFaster · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A better headline might be: "Writer get pissed that IT guy called his new gadget a Toy."

    While I'm sure he's got a good point that IT people should not talk down to other employees, he needs to hear a few horror stories to understand our concern about his new "toy".

    I was brought in to trouble shoot a network that was completely down, idling over 100 workers. Naturally, the CEO called everyone who had any IT experience, so we had a crowd of upset and confused people. In short - it was a packet storm. What caused it was an employee bringing in his own device and connecting it to the network.

    The employee wanted a wireless AP for his laptop, because he didn't like the Cat5 cable. The IT staff said "no", so he install his own Linksys. You see it coming - no encryption, default password, etc. Well, it was slower than the wired connection, so he figured he could get twice the bandwidth if he connected TWO Ethernet cables. The port he selected was connected to a different switch, and soon a packet storm erupted.

    Yes, the IT manager made several mistakes, including buying non-managed switches. But the bottom line is the employee cost the company dearly for his "toy".

    What's funny? The guy was bragging to his buddies about how smart he was, not knowing the IT manager, CEO and I were standing behind him. Fired on the spot he was.

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    1. Re:A better headline, and a funny story by turbidostato · · Score: 2

      "I would have hoped that any non trivial network (more than 2 or 3 switches) would have STP enabled for just this reason."

      A non-managed entry level 24 ports gigabit switch costs about 100$, a managed one about 1000$.

      It's probably the case the IT manager suggested the managed ones but failed about making a business case for expending 10x appart from answering the question of "what does this 10x equipment that the cheaper one doesn't?" with "nothing you can understand".

      On the other hand, once we get into the business case, even for a 500 people office the unmanaged ones can work as good as the more expensive ones *provided* there's a more or less savvy tech and people plays by the rules so why throw money at a problem that can be solved with sane policies and common sense?

  19. Nope... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Excuse the rant. Realistically, IT has a number of jobs:

    1: Keep stuff running.
    2: Keep stuff accessible by users.
    3: Keep stuff secure. Yes, this can inconvenience someone, but better a teed off muckety-muck than a wholesale breach where all the goodies are stolen to an offshore firm.
    4: Comply with regulations.

    Do you know how many fscking regulations an IT department in a midsize company has to deal with? In a typical organization, you have to deal with Sarbanes-Oxley (either because your firm or one of your clients is publicly traded), HIPAA, FERPA, or many other laws? Then there are the stipulations put on a company by contracts, like PCI-DSS. Then there are things you sign with a client like vague crap like "all computers will have antivirus programs running on them". Yes, the bean counters sign that, but it really means that I have to license copies of McAfee for the multiple IBM Power Series 795s doing the back end database I/O just so that "t" is crossed, and "i" dotted. Yes, the chance of finding a virus on the AIX boxes is flat nil, but it keeps the customer happy.

    If I'm in IT and cannot allow you to VPN in or use your precious iPhone to access Exchange mail without restrictive policies (like blocking the camera, long passwords for unlock, etc.), it isn't that I have a pogrom against your sorry ass, its because when you are at the bar drinking with your friends and you leave your phone unlocked (or even worse, jailbroken to get around Exchange policies, then left without a PIN) in the bathroom stall and report it lost, guess what department how has to report to the public about an unencrypted security breach as per California and other laws? Definitely not sales. Definitely not HR.

    Also, users have a choice. Want local admin access to your desktop? All the critical company resources like Outlook will be on Citrix. This way, there is a definite barrier between a compromised workstation and the core functions of a company, such as the database with accounts payable, receivable, internal applications and lots else. Don't like that? A locked down policy where one doesn't get to choose even their screen saver is just two commands away.

    Of course, on sensitive sections of the company like the finance department, the desktops are locked down 10 ways from Sunday, but there will be a Citrix application available on a remote server so you can do some personal Web usage and not risk completely tossing the company's salad if the Web browser gets breached, even if it is "just" that user account that gets nailed.

    So, don't take it personal when an IT guy says no. We are not correctional officers who view you as inmates. In fact, we will bend over backwards to try to get not just what you need, but what you want. However, we won't bend over forwards.

    Oh, and my OS bias? Whatever gives me the least amount of problems and keeps the pages/calls/texts off my cell. I've been in the business too long to give a crap about what Netcraft states.

  20. Build a business case. by khasim · · Score: 2

    Yeah... then there's my job, where somebody recently pushed out a GPO update that was supposed to make internet explorer "more secure" by preventing downloads.

    Yep. There are a lot of incompetent IT people out there.

    The problem is that most of the non-IT people are even more incompetent at IT tasks.

    And management is not very good at managing.

    The problem is when you get people who just start adding restriction after restriction with no understanding of what it does not just to productivity and worker morale, but in some cases to the very applications they support.

    The easy solution to this is to build a business case for whatever change you want and send it to your boss.

    You boss then sends it up the ladder until it gets approved and IT makes whatever change you wanted.

    It's all about money. It should be easy for you to show how you'd be more productive (in terms of $X) if you had item A at cost $B.

    No, IT policy is often both foolish and stupid, and getting around it is the only way to get work done.

    I have seen a lot of "foolish and stupid" IT policies. Which is why you need to communicate to the BUSINESS via the "business case" for the changes you want.

    Unless you don't care about that sort of thing, in which case, yeah... feel free to do nothing until they fire you and replace you with someone who does bypass the policies.

    IT should be IMPLEMENTING the policies that upper management has decided upon.

    If you don't like those policies then convince upper management that you'd be more productive (in terms of $X) by writing a business case for the change(s).

    As for being fired, who cares? It happens.
    I'd rather go into my next interview saying that I was fired for enforcing the policies rather than saying that I was fired because the systems were cracked and all kinds of company / personal data was downloaded.

  21. This is why the IT dept should be a cost center by sstamps · · Score: 2

    Every other department that uses IT pays for it. Those who use more IT services, or otherwise cost the company money from their IT fuckups, pay more. Eventually, they learn to work WITH the IT department to lower their overhead costs so they can meet their budgetary targets. That means doing the kinds of things that the idiots best represented by the author of that article abhor: the things recommended/enforced by those "High Priests" as best practices.

    I mean, yeah, there are bad IT people and departments out there, to be sure, just like there are bad users. Unlike bad users, though, bad IT people and departments don't last very long.

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    1. Re:This is why the IT dept should be a cost center by Scutter · · Score: 2

      Every other department that uses IT pays for it. Those who use more IT services, or otherwise cost the company money from their IT fuckups, pay more. Eventually, they learn to work WITH the IT department to lower their overhead costs so they can meet their budgetary targets.

      That's a great theory, except it doesn't work that way in the real world. In the real world, the users decide that since they can't bully IT into doing what they want for free, they'll just try to do it themselves rather than beg their boss for permission to spend budget dollars on the company IT department, especially when no one in the department has even gotten a raise this year. So when they need a new switch port activated, they don't call the help desk. Instead, they order a $20 piece of crap cable/DSL modem from Purchasing (you know, the one with DHCP enabled by default) and just go ahead and plug it into the network, taking down most of the subnet when it starts spewing out spurious IP addresses to all the clients on the segment. IT gets the blame because its already-razor-thin-budget didn't allocate enough money for adequate monitoring software to protect against the moron who plugged in the switch. All of its budget money went into more wireless access points to support all of the users who suddenly got iPads for Christmas and are pissed off because they won't work in the basement conference room or in the toilets.

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    2. Re:This is why the IT dept should be a cost center by sstamps · · Score: 2

      That's a great theory, except it doesn't work that way in the real world.

      It works great in practice, too. After seeing it in action and being part of the "High Priesthood of IT" in a Fortune 100 company for a number of years, I can attest to the fact that it does work, and works well.

      In just about every case where another department/division of the corporation tried to "buck the system", they ended up paying significant portions of their budgets for IT to clean up their messes, which in turn led to more adherence to IT "best practices" policies.

      Never doubt for a minute that expressing the consequences in terms of money is the most powerful motivator of policy. That, and making IT policy into an employee code of conduct issue.

      In the real world, the users decide that since they can't bully IT into doing what they want for free, they'll just try to do it themselves rather than beg their boss for permission to spend budget dollars on the company IT department, especially when no one in the department has even gotten a raise this year. So when they need a new switch port activated, they don't call the help desk. Instead, they order a $20 piece of crap cable/DSL modem from Purchasing (you know, the one with DHCP enabled by default) and just go ahead and plug it into the network, taking down most of the subnet when it starts spewing out spurious IP addresses to all the clients on the segment. IT gets the blame because its already-razor-thin-budget didn't allocate enough money for adequate monitoring software to protect against the moron who plugged in the switch. All of its budget money went into more wireless access points to support all of the users who suddenly got iPads for Christmas and are pissed off because they won't work in the basement conference room or in the toilets.

      I'll tell you a little anecdote. Back in the late 90s, the biggest network disaster at this particular company was HP network printers. The network was mostly bridged token ring, and of course, HP printers LOVE to communicate via broadcasting. Even better, there was this quaint little piece of software that came packaged with every printer called HP JetAdmin. It was HP's pride and joy; effortless administration of your network printers -- if you only had a couple printers on a tiny SOHO network. So, here we are, clients (as they called "users") getting a brand-spanking new HP networked printer, unboxing it, plugging it in, and popping the install disk into their computers. At that time, there was a single install, which installed printer drivers, AND HP JetAdmin. Shortly thereafter, large segments of the network would go down from thousands of printers broadcasting "Hey JetAdmin!! Here I am!" back to these systems.

      The problem was, HP printers were on the "approved" list of printers for purchasing, so any client could order one from the contract suppliers, and it would show up in a day to a week. Some people wouldn't wait for IT to get them a proper "drivers only" install onto their computer, so broadcast storms were a weekly event. Eventually, the IT department, backed by the affected organizations in the company who got the bill for the network outages and recovery time, had it out with HP and got them to only supply printers with "driver only" install disks with the printers that came into the company.

      I remember that day like it was yesterday; there's nothing quite like an executive-level ass-reaming of a major manufacturer to brighten your day.

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  22. Re:Unbelievable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The other reason to deny new and/or user supplied devices is the unwillingness to support every phone out there.

    Yes, Android phones are largely the same and various versions of iPhone/iPad are largely the same. but it's wearing for IT staff to have to learn every new phone and its idisyncracies not jut to get it set up but to troubleshoot it when you're "sure" that the problem isn't your phone/carrier, but our network.

    If IT doesn't jealously and rigidly enforce device standards, they end up supporting dozens of different devices regardless of a policy that says "bring in what you want, but you support it". Users whose phone has a bug, or are in a cell dead spot, or have some data plan missing will always claim that IT isn't letting them on the network and/or won't fix the issue on "the system" that is preventing them from connecting. IT has to take the device, troubleshoot it, and show that isn't the system causing the issue.

    Users who don't know how to configure their phone will ask IT to configure it, if IT says they don't touch user supplied devices, the user complains that they aren't productive and IT is "asked" to fix the issue "just this once" so the user can start working. Repeat this 50 times and you now have IT supporting every user's phone or non-company supplied laptop. The exception(s) dwarf the rules.

    Now that IT has touched it, most users think that IT can/should fix other issues that may have nothing to do with what was done in the first place-I've had users drop off laptops complaining that their anti-virus is slowing their computer down ever since we put VPN software or logmein on their computer, etc. So in proving our innocence, we find some resource sucking app that has been installed for years, or some new app that has long startup times, etc. and we have to explain that that's the cause and not the VPN software that runs without any issues on all of our computers and a couple dozen other non-IT machines.

    User devices is nearly always a disaster and always a larger investment in time then made out to be. Companies don't want to hire a dedicated guy to troubleshoot user devices, but the same management expects a limited IT staff to "just this once" spend 2 or 3 hours troubleshooting some problematic laptop, or an hour and a half troubleshooting some vague issue on a phone that turns out to be carrier finickiness or another piece of software on that phone, etc.

    I'd say that during normal working hours, we typically have 10 people and spend a minimum of 30 man hours per week dealing with user devices and many are repeats, don't listen to anything we say like when we tell them that it's not a surprise that they're brand new Android phone has shorter battery life then their old blackberry or flip phone and that it has nothing to do with Exchange ActiveSync. Some people have come to use with brand new phones they've had for a whole day or two, asked us to configure it, then return 2 or 3 days later to tell us that what we did is killing their battery. When we ask, they tell us that their old blackberry didn't need charging everyday, that this phone does and they imply that it must be us turning on activesync-nevermind that they didn't spend enough time with the phone to learn its battery life before getting us to set up activesync...

    Then comes the users who switch personal phones every other month and expect to simply hand the phone to us so we can set up activesync, but don't give us the password OR don't have a password and get upset when activesync policy pushed from our server requires them to have a password. Two people in one department went form personal blackberry to htc droid to samsung droid to iphone 4 to iphone 4s in about 13 months. Each switch they expected us to export their contact list (which they explicitly chose not to sync with Exchange) and each time they expected us to waive the password policy for them. When we pushed back in the beginning, they complained and said they were OK with doing it themselves. They made no real effo

  23. Don't Rise to The Bait by Bob9113 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Don't rise to this asshole author's bait. He's a troll or he is ignorant, and the right answer is neither that people should nor that they should not thwart IT, and the right answer is neither that IT should smack them down nor that IT should give them everything they want.

    The right answer is that the people who feel they need to thwart IT are a valuable resource. They are people who have a need that is not being satisfied. That need should be explored and a resolution found. Sometimes the answer is, "No, because it would not be safe / cost-efficient / legal." Sometimes the answer is, "There is already a way to do that, but not the way you are attempting to do it." Sometimes the answer is, "We should add that capability, because it will make the company more profitable."

    The idea that it is all X or all Y is fundamentally rooted in "us versus them" mentality. It is a bullshit, douchebag mentality which is, unfortunately, actively fostered by assorted self-righteous nincompoops and the kinds of people who watch the UFC not for the display of physical prowess and grace, but because they like to see people hurting each other.

    Don't rise to the bait. Users who are trying to thwart the system are a valuable resource. You want to plumb them to discover unserved needs, underserved needs, and opportunities to improve training. You also want to help them understand why they can't do certain things so that their frustration doesn't fester and become a morale issue.

    It is easy to see why the author is a writer. He clearly would not operate well in a more team-oriented context.

  24. Capabilities by tepples · · Score: 2

    just because YOU or the AV company hasn't head of one dosen't mean that it does not exist.

    This is true even of viruses targeting approved platforms. No AV solution has perfect detection, save one: a fully capability-based environment such as Bitfrost, Android, or the Mac App Store sandbox.

  25. Re:Well, maybe you actually are wrong. by PCM2 · · Score: 2

    It seems to me the test is whether it's actually reasonable for the whole job (in this case, all of the documentation) to be done by one person. If that's possible, in a sustained fashion, then it stands to reason that the other people on the staff shouldn't even be there. They're just wasted expenditures and they should never have been hired.

    If, on the other hand, it is unreasonable to expect the entire job to be done by a single person -- in my opinion, the far more likely case, and why a team was hired rather than a single individual -- then it's up to every person on the team to act as a team.

    In my experience, managers who are so afraid of delegating to their subordinates that they become a bottleneck for every item of work that passes through the department are one of the most insidious and damaging factors in any company.

    As for preferring documentation "written by an expert," I think you might be mistaken and not realize it. In my experience, the guy who wrote a complex software system is often the last person you want to try to produce user documentation for it. His in-depth knowledge of the system makes it impossible for him to see the system the way an inexperienced user sees it. The job of a technical writer is to gather information from the developers and assemble it in a way that's comprehensible for users of all experience levels. Those who are truly good at their jobs will be able to produce documentation that's so transparent and comprehensive that you assume it must have been written by programmers, when it was not.

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  26. It could be about billable hours. by khasim · · Score: 2

    Sounds like the article was written by a tool with no understanding of how enterprise IT works, and no grasp of what bringing alien, unknown systems into contact with critical infrastructure can lead to.

    Or maybe he knows EXACTLY what the result will be.

    Most networks/systems have "evolved" over time in an "organic" fashion. That is, things were added and then fixes where added to get everything to play together in a minimally acceptable fashion.

    Now, if you can convince non-IT people that they're just as knowledgeable about IT issues as the IT people, that means that you can get a LOT of billable hours dealing with the impact of the new changes.

    Say that Frank in Accounting "needs" a wireless router attached to the network so his new device (which doesn't support your standard for encryption/authentication) will work ... and it needs access to the Accounting servers ... because Frank "needs" it to work that way. That's a lot of re-design of the network and the servers and so forth.

    So from a consultant/contractor point-of-view, this is a GREAT IDEA!!!

    Just tell Frank that the IT department is being "bad" by refusing his perfectly rational and reasonable request and that he needs to work around them to maintain his productivity. Or get the IT department marginalized so that contractors can be brought in to do the work that the IT department is incapable of doing.

  27. SOX Compliance by sycodon · · Score: 5, Informative

    And I'm not talking about Hanes.

    If you are dealing with the feds, the meeting the requirements of the Sarbanes-Oxley act is a fact of life. Failing to deal with the requirements can essentially mean the death penalty for the company because the feds won't do business with you if you are out of compliance.

    The Act essential deals with setting up security and policies that prevent someone from being able to game the system. A Buyer can create a PO, but cannot perform A/P functions do pay the PO and cannot receive the product. Just a simple example.

    But in my company, many, many people got their panties in a twist when we started taking away their ability to do things and requiring them to abide by policies and procedures. It can be a big culture shock to small to mid size companies that grow into a larger markets with the Feds.

    One of the biggest headaches was enforcing the use of standard cell phones and disallowing the storage of data in the phones. Anything that comes onto premises, had any kind of connectivity with the network and then left the premises is now tightly controlled and locked down. All the laptops have encrypted hard drives and even USB drives are automatically encrypted when they are connected if they are not already. If you have dealt with sales people, you know they don't like that one bit. Shit, I can't even install and use iTunes or any other mp3 players.

    So to the feds, this is a Big Deal and people can and have lost their jobs for trying to game the system because otherwise, the whole company could be dead, figuratively speaking.

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    1. Re:SOX Compliance by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Funny

      Shit, I can't even install and use iTunes

      You can't really blame them for blocking malware...

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    2. Re:SOX Compliance by rnturn · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not that I completely agree with everything that IT management decides to do but...

      If folks are using a network that doesn't belong to them and computers that don't belong to them either why aren't they just using the equipment that the company supplies and do the job they were hired to do? It is going to be extremely rare for someone's job to require the ability to install iTunes and manage music on MP3 players? (One has to wonder what will be the next "right" that's being denied to employees? Surfing for pr0n using the corporate network?) The monthly malware/patch meeting I attend has this discussion nearly every time it convenes. One has to wonder what business need is being provided by iTunes. It never fails to amaze me that people think that all the toys that they own need to work flawlessly on the corporate network. Stop calling that thing in your cubicle a personal computer. It ain't. Their workplace, their rules. Deal with it.

      I can still remember when having one's briefcase/purse/bag/etc. inspected going into and when leaving the premises was standard procedure. A camera would have been confiscated immediately and removing anything required a manager's approval. (I needed to borrow a keyboard one weekend after mine had croaked and needed my manager's and his manager's approvals on the form that I needed to present to security on the way out of the building. All for something as benign as a keyboard.) Imagine the squawking that would occur nowadays if they started enforcing a policy like that with smartphones with cameras and/or multi-gigabytes of memory and having the ability to get onto the corporate network. Yeah, this was at a defense-oriented company but I've worked at financial firms with just as strict security.

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  28. Same might be said of accounting policies by klubar · · Score: 2

    The same "we could be more efficient" could be said of many accounting policies. Gee wouldn't it be faster if the person who issued the PO could approve the receiving document and authorize payments?

    Why do we really need to have competitive bids, I'm sure my brother-in-law will give a good price.

    We don't need risk management to authorize credit for this customer--I'm sure they're good for it.

    We can value these incredibly complex securities at a $1 billion.

    Yes, lots of IT rules and requirements are PIAs, but in many cases they are global optimization versus local maxima.

  29. That's simply not going to happen in this decade by Rix · · Score: 2

    There's always a way to get the data out. If you work with people most of them will work with you most of the time. If you set yourself up as an impediment, people will humour you with lies and work around you.

    You may occasionally catch one, but most will keep it out of your sight.

  30. Just One Word: Stuxnet by MichaelCrawford · · Score: 2

    My understanding is that Iran got the bad news from a personal flash drive.

    I used to work for an organization that took securit very seriously because just one quick glance at our upcoming product would have enabled our competition to getbthe jump on us. even so the it people were constantly battling malware brought in on personal flash drives.

    the solution another client used was to lock all the pcs in cabinets physically disconnected from the Internet. because I worked remotely I had to transfer a file to the clients network. I had to get someone who was trusted with the cabinet key to do that for me.

    everyone had a second computer for web browsing and personal email. our work machines used Ethernet KVM extenders.

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  31. TL;DR by anonymov · · Score: 2

    "The technology that has been here for a long time and should have been thoroughly tested has security holes they didn't know before. Let's bring in this new and untested technology, because I don't know about any security holes in it"

    Sounds good.

  32. The above tops it by dbIII · · Score: 2

    Wow. That really takes pretending to be ignorant so as to twist words to win an argument to a new low. If you can't work out that "my company" usually means "the company I work for" then you have a very low reading age and could not have possibly written the words above.

    Why do you think this is so important that you will be so dishonest as to pretend to be so ignorant of very simple English usage just to make a silly point in an argument with a stranger?

    Then to go furthur and built a strawman, soak it in fuel and set it on fire on such a fake misunderstanding? What is your real problem here?

  33. High Priests are not the problem by gweihir · · Score: 2

    Fearful underlings are, but far less often than most users believe. Many user requests for using their own devices are simply due to the users not understanding the problem. Example: Many industries have record-keeping requirements and data-retention requirements. When users store and process data on their own devices, these could be violated. Many industries also have data-security requirements. Except for users that are expert system administrators on their own devices, again, allowing users to process data on devices they administrate themselves is not a good idea and may even be illegal. That said, with a competent IT department, a user that is also a system administration/security expert will get added privileges. But these are the rare exception.

    Most users have no idea what the risks are and allowing them to do their own risk management is not acceptable. Case in point: I am a security expert, but I doubt I could really make a current Android/iOS/Win Phone device secure. There is not enough access, not enough stability and not enough experience with these devices. Surprises may happen at any time and are a lot more likely than, say, on a stable Linux distro. Hence I would not even ask to be allowed to put sensitive data on such a device. And anybody that does is very, very likely does not understand the problem.

    So, no, typically the problem is on the user side. IT departments could be more understanding and more clear about their policies, but that is also a staffing, budget and management problem. If IT always has to roll out the big guns to enforce a policy, it is not a surprise that they will get defensive.

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  34. Re:That's simply not going to happen in this decad by rabbit994 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Maybe you have never worked with stupid requirements that Feds enforce but I have. This stuff is life or death to company. People can and will get fired instantly for breaking it. So like others have said, it's not that we want to impede the user, we have no choice.

  35. Network by Compaqt · · Score: 2

    OK, I'll admit that when somebody says "my" X, there's an element of ownership being implied.

    But most people understand that that just means "the company's X, which I'm responsible for".

    Hence, stuff like "no pointing guns other that at the target on my range".
    "no defacing of books in my library"
    "if you want something from my maintenance dept., you'll have to check it out"

    Most people understand the "my" just means "there's somebody actually responsible for this X, and it's not going to be a tragedy of the commons situation".

    Perhaps he should have stripped all qualifying adjectives from the phrase: <del>my corporate </del> network. Then you get into a "network, which network situation":

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  36. Things that you don't want "out there" by sycodon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A process for regulating the discharge from a capacitor.

    The formula for a doping compound that increases the efficiency of solar cell to 80%

    A list of your customers and their feed back on your service or their future purchasing plans.

    A spreadsheet of assay results from two years of mineral sampling.

    All kinds of companies have I.T. departments and not all valuable information is source code.

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  37. Re:That's simply not going to happen in this decad by ArhcAngel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And if they get caught they will be fired...if they are lucky. Working around IT policies put in place to comply with government regulation for any reason looks suspicious. If the feds notice the results can be much, much worse. When I see violations to SOX or corporate policy I make it a point to inform the person violating the policy and their supervisor. I also send an email to my supervisor with the details of my observations and subsequent actions so there is a record that I did not turn a blind eye to the infraction. How it is handled from there is up to the person violating the policy and their superiors. I can't speak for other IT "dictators" but the way I look at it is if you get this office shut down it affects my job too @ss hole. As it happens I can see the old Enron building (now owned by Chevron) from my office. A constant reminder of just why SOX exists in the first place.

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  38. Oh Slashdot, what have you become? by tpotus · · Score: 2

    Who are your readers nowadays?

  39. Re:Galen Gruman, you have trolled and I'm respodin by Killjoy_NL · · Score: 2

    Bravo bravo, very well put.

    I'd like to add a small tidbit.
    If a user comes to our department with a request for a certain piece of software that does X, we might deny that request and offer an alternative since we already have a license for software Y or we researched it and found that software Y is easier to use, has fewer problems, etc. This goes for hardware too.
    I consider it a point of principle to give the best service possible within the framework of our IT policies.
    We do have to say no on a regular basis.

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  40. Re:That's simply not going to happen in this decad by Talderas · · Score: 2

    are almost always perpetrated by top management? ;)

    Your assumption is pretty off base. I think if you dug into it you would find that most accounting practices that causes problems aren't intentional and certainly aren't caused by upper management. As a company grows larger and consequently more complex, things will pop up in the books that would get the Feds to sock you even if it wasn't malicious.

    My company, which primarily does manufacturing, had a situation recently made aware to me. We do perform internal fabrication for some of our final product so you have Parts + Labor going into that fab job. As an example we would be sending in $100 worth of labor and $1000 worth of parts and ending up with a final product worth $1250 instead of $1100. Chances are that everyone involved in the fabrication process weren't properly trained on how to move the material through our system and luckily we aren't required to follow SOX but that is a prime example of the kind of innocent crap that is going to get you screwed over. The malicious stuff, surprisingly, is less likely to be caught because the perpetrators of it are going to try to cover their asses on it. The innocent stuff is innocent so it's more likely to be left in the open.

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  41. Galen Gruman has never had a real IT job by sbjornda · · Score: 2
    Look at his biography over on Infoworld. He ran a desktop publishing company. He wrote some books about it. He's a journalist. But he has no real IT experience. He's clueless about what it really takes to manage thousands of users in a regulated industry. He's just an armchair quarterback.

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  42. IT as just internal ISP & cloud provider? by swb · · Score: 2

    My last big company IT job had 3 major departments, all of whom had their own IT ideas, and at least one with their own IT person who did some purchasing and install and config of PCs.

    There was a lot of time where dealing with resource competition and fighting the departments over standards was such a distraction, I told my boss we should just not bother -- cut up the PC budget among departments and let them figure it out on their own.

    IT would provide LAN for free, but internet would be metered with costs based on bandwidth required to provide at least 25% peak capacity (when we he 25%, we would add more).

    Email would be per mailbox with storage charges over 5 GB. File sharing would be per 250 GB consumed. Departments would buy printers and supplies.

    Basically, IT would become an internal ISP/cloud provider and nothing else. The user departments would buy the laptops/Macs they "need" and could go batshit on storage usage, since they would be paying for it.

  43. Re:That's simply not going to happen in this decad by gfreeman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Wow, I'm honestly surprised they haven't let you go already for making waves, but I suppose since it sounds like it doesn't happen that often at the company you're employed at, it's probably taking them longer to build a solid documentation case against you.

    Where I work, I get written up if I do not report a SOX compliance issue that I come across. We have employees whose sole job is to ensure SOX compliance within the company, and it's not seen as "making waves" it's seen as making sure the company is compliant with government legislation that would otherwise shut the company down PDQ.

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