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VLC 2.0 'Twoflower' Released For Windows & Mac

Titus Andronicus writes "Years in the making, the major new release of VideoLAN's media player has better support for multicore processors, GPUs, and much, much more. From the announcement: 'Twoflower has a new rendering pipeline for video, with higher quality subtitles, and new video filters to enhance your videos. It supports many new devices and BluRay Discs (experimental). Completely reworked Mac and Web interfaces and improvements in the other interfaces make VLC easier than ever to use. Twoflower fixes several hundreds of bugs, in more than 7000 commits from 160 volunteers.'"

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  1. Twoflower eh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    So terrible things will continuously happen, but at least the main characters will survive.

    1. Re:Twoflower eh by itsdapead · · Score: 3, Funny

      Does this mean that is supports Quadroscopic Anaglyph mode? After all, if you have four eyes, Stereoscopic is never going to be enough...

      Do VLC now provide inn-sewer-ants against patent infringements?

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    2. Re:Twoflower eh by Errol+backfiring · · Score: 1

      Yes. Just feed me and I fart in their general direction.

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  2. Mac interface VASTLY improved by bonch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Gone is the two window design! Now it's got an iTunes-like single window, but with its own VLC stylings (e.g., the playback controls on the bottom). I dig!

    1. Re:Mac interface VASTLY improved by readandburn · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I hardly think iTunes was the first video player to have a single window, and it's probably not the best example of one.

      It is, however, what most Mac users are familiar with so it makes a good comparison.

    2. Re:Mac interface VASTLY improved by Kenja · · Score: 1

      Old Mac interface. I push play on the Apple Remote(tm) and it plays. New interface seems unchanged from my perspective.

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    3. Re:Mac interface VASTLY improved by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Apparently, Apple-haters are so defensive that they invent reasons to get pissed off. He didn't say iTunes was the "first video player to have a single window."

    4. Re:Mac interface VASTLY improved by Kenja · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually, I must interject that the old interface had only a single window for me because I didn't want to use the media library. Now I have no choice. Cant turn it off, cant remove or change the internet sites they opt to list. So to me the new interface is a major downgrade. I just want a media player, not a media management system.

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    5. Re:Mac interface VASTLY improved by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I hardly think iTunes was the first video player to have a single window, and it's probably not the best example of one.

      To me, it looks like the old version, except the icons look slightly different. What is this two window interface people are talking about? Did it used to look like Gimp or something??

    6. Re:Mac interface VASTLY improved by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      But still no h.264 hardware support (http://trac.videolan.org/vlc/ticket/3558) on Macs. *sigh*

    7. Re:Mac interface VASTLY improved by segin · · Score: 2

      I've been told by someone that newer GPUs and systems have zero practical use of hardware-accelerated h.264, as the CPU is insanely fast enough to do it just fine without acceleration. Not that I believe it, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone used this excuse to downplay the lack of hardware-accelerated h.264 decoding.

    8. Re:Mac interface VASTLY improved by jo_ham · · Score: 2

      Ah, a classic example of putting words into someone else's mouth and then bashing them for what they supposedly said.

      He didn't make any such claim, just that it had a single window interface. Does he really need to add disclaimers that he knows that Apple did not invent the single window video player interface?

    9. Re:Mac interface VASTLY improved by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      On the windows version, you can hide the playlist+media library by clicking the playlist icon on the bottom center of the window. Does the mac version not work the same way?

    10. Re:Mac interface VASTLY improved by jo_ham · · Score: 3, Informative

      There is no "tax", and the new system being introduced in 10.8 merely adds a layer of UAC-style authentication to apps not from the App Store or identified developers (and any developer can get a digital cert from Apple for free, with no vetting process). The large majority of developers who make Mac software but don;t sell via the App Store will see no functional change to their apps on 10.8 from the user perspective, since they'll all be signed already.

      If a developer doesn't get a digital certificate then the OS merely asks the user whether they'd like to add the app to their whitelist the first time it is run, but then never again after that. Other than the first request, the OS won't block the app at all.

      Or, you could just turn the whole thing off in the preferences and it will never query you about any app from any source.

      So no, you haven't heard plans that "everything will have to go thru the app store" - you've heard that 10.8 has a new feature that adds an extra (optional) step when you launch non-signed apps for the first time.

    11. Re:Mac interface VASTLY improved by Majik+Sheff · · Score: 1

      for future reference, the shorthand term for this is called a "strawman argument"

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    12. Re:Mac interface VASTLY improved by BitZtream · · Score: 2

      My computer has a processor designed to do h.264 decoding specifically with very lower power cost and leaving my CPU almost completely unused.

      I don't particularly care whats coming in the future or that my CPU is plenty fast enough to do it. A Hummer is plenty capable of driving to work every day, but it still be pretty inefficient for anyone to do when you have a much more efficient car for driving to work, leaving the hummer free to do heavy lifting.

      My built in decoder causes my CPU to use a percent or two ... everyone elses runs 30%+ on a good day, god knows flash's crap eats all the CPU it can, though 10.1 seems to be down near the 30-40% range as well. 30% may not be a lot for you, but I use a lot of CPU time throughout the day, I notice 30% being used, not only in performance, but in battery life when I'm out and about.

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    13. Re:Mac interface VASTLY improved by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      In the (no so distant) future, will free software like VLC be available for (what is now "Mac", but will just be "OS")?

      I have heard plans that everything will have to go thru the app store... will freeware projects be able to afford the "Tax"?

      Incorrect.

      Mountain Lion has 3 security modes. There's "App Store Signed" (Signed by Apple and vetted). The default I believe is "App Store and Verified Developer" (Apple vets App Store, but anyone with a credit card can purchase a Verified Developer certificate that Apple will not vet your apps for). The final mode is "All Apps" which is the way things are now - allowing apps that aren't signed in as well.

      And yes, "App Store and Verified Developer" IS the default. Microsoft, Adobe and others have not shown interest in the Mac App Store. Other companies like AutoDesk want to use the Mac App Store (AutoCAD LE is up there) but the problem is the $1000 limit - they even mentioned Mac App Store is cheaper. So major commercial apps mean the default cannot be App Store only.

      No word on how expensive the code-signing certificates are (I know Windows ones are $250), but all they do is say "For now, all apps signed with this certificate are trusted". They can be revoked if a malware developer signs malware with it. All Apple cares about is getting a real billing address they can point to and say "WTF are you doing?". Basically it de-anonymizes developers. Apple will NOT vet apps in this program (they can't - they give you the certificate, and you can sign anything and everything you want).

      For other open-source apps, I presume it's on a case-by-case basis. The big ones that people use probably will buy a cert and keep it carefully guarded. The little ones just mean you have to disable it completely if you want to use them.

    14. Re:Mac interface VASTLY improved by retchdog · · Score: 1

      you must have never used the playlist. it used to be a separate window, which was annoying. now it comes up over the video if you click the icon (bottom left) or press shift-cmd-p.

      unfortunately it doesn't get keyboard focus automatically. i hope they fix that. it's almost there.

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    15. Re:Mac interface VASTLY improved by retchdog · · Score: 4, Informative

      it's basically the same except the icon is a bit to the left. i really don't know what Kenja is talking about.

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    16. Re:Mac interface VASTLY improved by hairyfeet · · Score: 3, Informative

      Depends on the machine don't it? I know that on my netbook I get about 30% better battery life by using a hardware accelerated player (I usually use MPC:HC with DXVA, I'll have to see how the new VLC fares) over just letting the CPU do it. Sure modern CPUs are crazy fast but being more generalized use more power to do the job than simply using GPU shaders, at least IME and with nearly everyone being mobile I'm sure many would agree that more battery life is always a good thing on your portable.

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    17. Re:Mac interface VASTLY improved by perryizgr8 · · Score: 1

      ^^this.
      i hope they haven't fucked up the windows version. i don't care about macs.

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    18. Re:Mac interface VASTLY improved by perryizgr8 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      hardware acceleration of h264 uses vastly lesser amount of battery on my win7 laptop. i imagine that might be a good reason for some people.

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    19. Re:Mac interface VASTLY improved by RobbieThe1st · · Score: 1

      See other poster's comments: It's the playlist which showed up in a different window(which, indeed, in the older version I have, it does show up in a pop-up window).

    20. Re:Mac interface VASTLY improved by mehrotra.akash · · Score: 1

      What happens IF a vetted app is discovered leaking private data, and it leads to some bad consequesnce?
      Is Apple liable for damages in that case?
      Essentially, can one blindly trust and install vetted apps?

    21. Re:Mac interface VASTLY improved by wootest · · Score: 1

      And yes, "App Store and Verified Developer" IS the default.

      When I formatted a USB drive and did a clean install, the default was the "everything" option. Maybe this will be changed later, but it's not the default now.

    22. Re:Mac interface VASTLY improved by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Apps in the App Store run in sandboxed mode. This means that they can't access the filesystem, other than files selected in the file chooser (which runs in a separate process and passes in file descriptor rights). The Mac Keychain means that each password has its own ACL and you must explicitly grant an application the right to each password it accesses. For an application to leak a serious amount of data, it must compromise the sandbox - not impossible (there have been holes found in it in the past) but a lot harder than just sneaking some malicious code into the app...

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    23. Re:Mac interface VASTLY improved by trptrp · · Score: 1

      I agree. Not being able to disable the library bar made me immediately downgrade back to 1.12. It's annoying that it can't behave in various ways. I'm using VLC as a quick and simple player, now they're offering me just their idea of how it should be used.

    24. Re:Mac interface VASTLY improved by siride · · Score: 1

      What are you talking about? On Windows, at least, there's no "library bar". You can show and hide the playlist/library with a button at the bottom (by default it seems to be hidden). In other words, it looks the same as before.

    25. Re:Mac interface VASTLY improved by rishistar · · Score: 1

      I hope they haven't taken away the option to have the playlist in a separate window. I do performances of nerdy songs about science where I have backing video and music being played on VLC player. The video goes through the projector and the playlist is on my Windows laptop screen. It would be an annoyance if that modus operandi had been taken away for me.

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    26. Re:Mac interface VASTLY improved by Ihmhi · · Score: 2

      Welp, until someone mods it out, you can get an older version at this page. OldVersion rocks for when companies fuck up their own product (see: Winamp after the AOL buyout).

    27. Re:Mac interface VASTLY improved by Threni · · Score: 1

      Exactly. The last thing I want is another Unity.

    28. Re:Mac interface VASTLY improved by trptrp · · Score: 2

      here's a screenshot, the lower VLC 2 window is at minimum size already http://i.imgur.com/1wEyJ.png

    29. Re:Mac interface VASTLY improved by siride · · Score: 1

      Eww, that's awful that they did that on the Mac. It looks normal on Windows and Linux. Supposedly there is a hide playlist button somewhere. Maybe you can try a different interface skin?

    30. Re:Mac interface VASTLY improved by retchdog · · Score: 1

      yeah, unless it autodetects multiple displays (which it ought to, like keynote does, but i doubt it), i think you're fucked. keep the old installer around.

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    31. Re:Mac interface VASTLY improved by makomk · · Score: 1

      According to Apple's official page about Gatekeeper you have to be part of their $99/year Mac Developer Program in order to get a code signing certificate. I think they've been rather misleadingly describing it to the press as free to members of the MDP, and some of them have dropped the qualifier.

    32. Re:Mac interface VASTLY improved by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      When I formatted a USB drive and did a clean install, the default was the "everything" option. Maybe this will be changed later, but it's not the default now.

      Considering that NOTHING is signed with Verified Developer, "App Store Only" wouldn't give you much.

      Right now, if it was "App Store Only", you couldn't run Microsoft Office, Adobe Photoshop (CS something or other), or a bunch of other freeware utilities you have right now not obtained through the Mac App Store.

      The default will change once Mountain Lion is released. Developer Previews are nowhere near final and are used to get developers to start tweaking their apps. I'd estimate closer to release that the default will change so developers can ensure their apps are signed.

    33. Re:Mac interface VASTLY improved by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      Then like a man in orthopaedic shoes, I stand corrected.

  3. Does skipping video work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Does it finally correctly skip the video, instead of just skipping to some time near where I clicked?

  4. Re:"FOR ANIME FANS" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yeah. Because a simple, light-weight, video player that plays damn-near anything you throw at it without the need for additional codecs and runs on every OS that matters is specifically for neckbearded, anime-fan virgins. I can't possibly imagine anyone else ever wanting to watch videos on their computer.

    Troll much?

  5. Re:"FOR ANIME FANS" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    he's referring to the section in the change log specifically titled "FOR ANIME FANS"

    i laughed too when i saw it

  6. It sounds like they've done some great tuning work by msobkow · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Not surprisingly, most of the work seems to have been for platforms other than Linux, but maybe the upgraded OpenGL rendering pipeline will prove of benefit when full-screening 1080p videos. My box periodically stutters a frame or two when viewing such videos on a 1600x1200 monitor, because I've only got a crufty old P4-3.8GHz CPU with 4G of fast RAM. My video card is more than capable, and I never used to see any frame loss under Windows.

    Mind you, I didn't have a pile of servers running when I had this CPU chugging under XP instead of Ubuntu 10.04.1.

    Alas, the odds are not in my favour that I'll see this update unless I build from source.

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  7. Re:Not Bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    And seeking still mess up the video with blocky frames and overall gray spots.

  8. Re:Not Bad by readandburn · · Score: 1

    They have some balls adding Bluray support.

    Forgive my ignorance, but why do you say that?

  9. Re:So what is VideoLAN anyway? by Dwedit · · Score: 4, Insightful

    VLC Media Player is a self-contained media player program that will play almost anything you throw at it, and works independently of any codecs installed on your system. So even if your codec installations get messed up, VLC still works.
    It also plays DVDs.

  10. Three ways to seek by tepples · · Score: 5, Informative

    In a constant bitrate stream, you can just multiply the chosen time by the bitrate, seek once to that point in the file, and start playing. In a variable bitrate stream, you can't. So you have to either A. read the whole file and construct an index of where to seek for each second, B. seek somewhere near where the user clicked, or C. seek near where the user clicked and then retry up to four times ("interpolated bisection" assuming piecewise constant bitrate) to find the exact second. The best option ends up differing for each container. In AVI, option A is best because the vast majority of files have an "index" at the end mapping keyframe times to byte offsets. VirtualDub uses option A, which is fast for AVI but slow for MPEG. Based on your description, VLC appears to use B. The Ogg project tends to use C, but Monty eventually realized that that's too slow over an Internet connection with a wireless last mile, so he relented and put an index into Ogg Skeleton (source).

    1. Re:Three ways to seek by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're overthinking it. The old versions just had bad GUI.

  11. Still takes forever to "Rebuild the Font Cache" by Dwedit · · Score: 1

    It still takes forever to "Rebuild the Font Cache".
    What exactly is VLC doing when it does this?

    1. Re:Still takes forever to "Rebuild the Font Cache" by EdIII · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It still takes forever to "Rebuild the Font Cache".
      What exactly is VLC doing when it does this?

      Uhhhh... it's rebuilding the font cache dude. It say it right there in the dialog box.

      Better question is... why does it need to do it every fucking time? :)

    2. Re:Still takes forever to "Rebuild the Font Cache" by hobarrera · · Score: 1

      What are you guys talking about? I've never seen any such dialog! :| I've used VLC for the last... 6 years? Or something like that.

    3. Re:Still takes forever to "Rebuild the Font Cache" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The first thing I wondered when I tried the new version is "Will it ever have to rebuild the font cache". Sure enough, the first thing it did when I dragged in a video was... rebuild the font cache! It took three minutes to play the video. Not a good first impression.

    4. Re:Still takes forever to "Rebuild the Font Cache" by nbehary · · Score: 2

      It does happen. "Every time" or even frequently, I haven't seen. I get it about 2-3 times a year, it's a little annoying, but not a big deal.

    5. Re:Still takes forever to "Rebuild the Font Cache" by BLKMGK · · Score: 1

      I see a terminal window for this during install for all of about 5 seconds on Win7. Perhaps you've checked the "clear cache" box during install and shouldn't be?

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    6. Re:Still takes forever to "Rebuild the Font Cache" by penguinchris · · Score: 1

      VLC never does this for me, but Media Player Classic does (on OS X). Every time I start it, a dialog pops up saying it's rebuilding the font cache. It can take 1-2 minutes, or more, and won't let you do anything else while you're waiting!

      It's annoying enough that I stopped trying to use MPC, even though it plays some videos smoothly that VLC stutters on (a known VLC OS X issue - not sure if it's fixed in the latest version). Plus the MPC interface and everything kind of sucks too.

      If VLC were doing that too, I'd be really, really annoyed. But I'd probably keep using it anyway because despite its faults, it's always been the best player for my purposes, on all OS's.

    7. Re:Still takes forever to "Rebuild the Font Cache" by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Nah sometimes during a crash, it'll freak out and corrupt your existing font cache. In which case it'll spend about 6 years rebuilding it. Well maybe not 6 years, at least 4 years anyway.

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    8. Re:Still takes forever to "Rebuild the Font Cache" by EdIII · · Score: 1

      It gets stuck in a pattern.

      When it does start to do it, only letting it complete will get rid of the message. After that, it can get stuck in that pattern and do it every single time. Most likely because the process never completed correctly.

      I do long periods in between it though.

      What I find the *most* annoying is the complete lack of information regarding it. I assume a cache is made to speed up some process involving subtitles. There should be an option to turn off caching, or the process itself is only required when subtitles are actually activated.

    9. Re:Still takes forever to "Rebuild the Font Cache" by EdIII · · Score: 1

      That's the best explanation yet. VLC crashes quite often for me (10-20% of the time. 100% on some files.). Not surprising since I ask it to play so many different formats and who the hell knows how well it was encoded.

    10. Re:Still takes forever to "Rebuild the Font Cache" by teridon · · Score: 1

      Let's say that's true (i.e. font cache is corrupted on crash).

      1) Sounds like a bug to me. File a bug report? (after gathering evidence, of course)

      2) Possible workaround: Make a known-good copy of the font cache (on Windows it's %APPDATA%\vlc, I believe). Restore it after a VLC crash (before launching VLC again)

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    11. Re:Still takes forever to "Rebuild the Font Cache" by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      I filed a bug report along with a working and corrupted cache back in hmm 0.95 or 0.92 I think it was, which was due to a crash. Never saw anything come from it. So, it doesn't matter too much to me.

      The work around option does work though.

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    12. Re:Still takes forever to "Rebuild the Font Cache" by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      I just saw it for the first time, launching VLC 2.0. No idea what it does - the OS has its own font cache, I don't know why VLC feels the need to be special in that regard...

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    13. Re:Still takes forever to "Rebuild the Font Cache" by hackertourist · · Score: 1

      Why does it need to build a cache at all? A quick browse through the interface and preferences show only one place you can specify a font (for the subtitles). A font cache is useful (maybe) when you spend half your time switching between fonts, which clearly isn't the case in VLC.

    14. Re:Still takes forever to "Rebuild the Font Cache" by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Because the OS doesn't need to cache it as some kind of bitmap suitable for video overlay?

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    15. Re:Still takes forever to "Rebuild the Font Cache" by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Another option: after a good cache run, just mark the cache read-only, immutable, or remove write permissions to the user. It might complain when it tries to scribble on the cache during a crash, but it should keep it pristine :)

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    16. Re:Still takes forever to "Rebuild the Font Cache" by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      It takes a tiny fraction of a second with any vaguely modern OS to generate a bitmap glyph for any character in a given size and typeface. There is no point in pre-rendering them for every font, just generate them on demand and cache them.

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    17. Re:Still takes forever to "Rebuild the Font Cache" by hobarrera · · Score: 1

      I just upgraded my laptop to vlc 2.0. No "font cache" dialog. I've never seen it on any computer, even one. That's odd. Maybe you've configure some odd font for it to use by default?

    18. Re:Still takes forever to "Rebuild the Font Cache" by hobarrera · · Score: 1

      Nope, not ever, not even after a clean reinstall of a new laptop.

    19. Re:Still takes forever to "Rebuild the Font Cache" by lennier · · Score: 1

      It still takes forever to "Rebuild the Font Cache".
      What exactly is VLC doing when it does this?

      It's actually reticulating the splines.

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    20. Re:Still takes forever to "Rebuild the Font Cache" by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Then there must be something else going on, for that much time and disk activity to be used...

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  12. Re:"FOR ANIME FANS" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    There are a number of features largely specific to anime fansubs, e.g. heavily styled subtitles (to replace Japanese text on signs, etc) and MKV segment linking. It's not spurious. And "neckbearded virgins" is rather silly when anime as a fandom is hardly gender-specific (unlike, say, Slashdot).

  13. Re:"FOR ANIME FANS" by RanceJustice · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If we can get by the neckbeard virgin jokes, its actually a good idea for them to specifically target anime-watching (especially the fansub community) in their notes. For years, there has been the complaint that, compared to such offerings as Media Player Classic Home Cinema, especially with lots of external filters from something like the Combined Community Codec Pack, VLC was inferior. Subtitles were not rendered as aesthetically pleasingly, image quality may have suffered, and other factors made VLC a second player choice despite its internal filters and easy accessibility.

    The anime fansub community has pioneered the usage of initially arcane formats, expecting exacting quality and often utilizing features that would be an afterthought for most other media. Matroska container formats,H.264/ X264 HD video, Ogg Theora/OGM, multi-channel AAC/OGG/ audio, multiple streams of the aforementioned plus multiple softcoded subtitle options, etc.. showed up prominently in anime fansub encodes long before the general population ever saw them. Some would say their pioneering encoding even helped drive pirate rips of SD and HD content out of old-fashioned AVI containers for everything, besides being a huge boon to localization in any form as these advances helped to move from single language audio and subtitle options hardcoded (or hand-selected-and-renamed-manual-subs) to simple container formats with multiple options. Today, we're seeing many fansub release groups offering 1080p high bitrate MKV with lossless FLAC audio channels and 10-bit color pallets...even for porn!

    Anime fansubs/localization has been a quiet but important force in driving online video quality from the days of grainy, option-free rips to a single high-bitrate HD file with several lossless audio channels and subtitles for 8 languages available, often using open specifications and open source codecs to do so. VLC setting the bar for these enthusiasts who really move the media forward is certainly commendable in my opinion, compared to saying "Well, if it runs content purchased off iTunes, its good enough!".

  14. Re:"FOR ANIME FANS" by JustOK · · Score: 1

    they are a perfectly cromulent sub species of something.

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  15. Re:Trolling campaign by GreatBunzinni, aka Rui Mac by f3rret · · Score: 1

    [Citation Needed]

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  16. Re:"FOR ANIME FANS" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Who said anything about gender?

    The women anime fans have neckbeards too, in my experience.

  17. Re:I wonder if that changes the general advice... by swalve · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Get a better computer. Works fine for me.

  18. Arch Linux by diego.viola · · Score: 1

    Already have it on Arch Linux.

    Huge thanks to all the developers.

    1. Re:Arch Linux by hobarrera · · Score: 1

      Indeed, this got pushed incredibly fast! :)

  19. Re:"FOR ANIME FANS" by miknix · · Score: 1

    Not only that but also plays videos contained inside compressed archives... I heard it is useful for p0rn!

  20. Re:I wonder if that changes the general advice... by EdIII · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's a bit trollish.

    VLC is an odd program. When it works, it works wonderfully. Otherwise it sucks very badly. I often go back and forth between MPC and VLC.

    I get frustrated by that "rebuild font cache" that just keeps happening on occasion no matter what you do. Subtitle rendering left some things to be desired.

    It's just a tool like anything else. I never had the expectation that it was going to work in every single circumstance given the unbelievable variation in encoding formats and what they actually output these days.

    Overall, I have never regretted installing it unlike some other programs.

  21. Re:"FOR ANIME FANS" by Microlith · · Score: 1

    The funny part is they could have just retitled it "FOR ANIME WAREZERS" as there are no legitimate distributions of any anime series in an MKV container or using ASS subs.

    "Well, if it runs content purchased off iTunes, its good enough!".

    And yet as much as we at Slashdot desire to pay the people who create the works we enjoy, no high quality MKV rip has ever done so. iTunes downloads do, however.

  22. Re:Not Bad by SydShamino · · Score: 2

    Doesn't every application that processes Bluray data have to maintain HDCP, per the Bluray association's licensing deal?

    I assume VLC doesn't have a license, and is displaying Bluray using one of its known hacks. While DVD content protection is dead dead there hasn't been as much case law with Bluray.

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  23. Re:Not Bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's simpler than that: they're based in France, which doesn't recognise the same laws as the USA. Their legal page goes into detail.

  24. Re:Trolling campaign by GreatBunzinni, aka Rui Mac by psiclops · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    My name's not Rui and if you read my comment history you'd probably know that i live in australia.
    also, i'm not even 30 yet and i hate Java.

    but go on, please continue to think that i have no life and would create multiple accounts to spam & modbomb slashdot.

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  25. Re:"FOR ANIME FANS" by EdgeCreeper · · Score: 2, Funny

    In my experience, absolutely not. Quit spreading untrue stereotypes, I mean it.

  26. Does VLC support DD/DTS passthrough? by mykos · · Score: 1

    Maybe this isn't the right place to ask, but I tried VLC a while back but I remember only being able to get it to put out stereo. Any VLC experts know if this works?

    1. Re:Does VLC support DD/DTS passthrough? by penguinchris · · Score: 1

      I was able to do this several years ago, with standard VLC on linux; the options are in there somewhere but I remember it not being obvious how to get it to work, and a lot of trial and error was involved.

    2. Re:Does VLC support DD/DTS passthrough? by babymac · · Score: 2

      It's under the Audio menu - Audio Device sub-menu. Select the encoded audio device.

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    3. Re:Does VLC support DD/DTS passthrough? by perryizgr8 · · Score: 1

      right click

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    4. Re:Does VLC support DD/DTS passthrough? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      I've not tried pass through, but I run VLC on a FreeBSD box connected to a 5.1 analogue speaker system and it has no problems decoding DD and DTS and sending the audio to the correct speakers. It actually worked out of the box, as I discovered after spending an hour searching for documentation to find out how to make it work before considering actually testing it...

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  27. Re:It sounds like they've done some great tuning w by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I run the lastest VLC it's always the baker's children who have no bread...

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  28. OpenSuse by jeff.j.jeff · · Score: 1

    repo: http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/vlc/SuSE/ No phonon backend yet it seems

  29. Re:"FOR ANIME FANS" by JustOK · · Score: 2

    the method of reproduction is still in debate. Current theories include: asexual reproduction, fsm-mmm-donuts - which involves drool and hair, and spontaneously.

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  30. WebM uses MKV by tepples · · Score: 3, Insightful

    there are no legitimate distributions of any anime series in an MKV container

    Every video on YouTube is available as WebM (that is, VP8+Vorbis in a subset of MKV). Are you trying to claim there is no legitimate anime on YouTube?

    And yet as much as we at Slashdot desire to pay the people who create the works we enjoy

    We pay those publishers who are willing to take our money. Publishers that sit on their works and declare "no export for you" get little sympathy.

    1. Re:WebM uses MKV by Microlith · · Score: 1

      Are you trying to claim there is no legitimate anime on YouTube?

      I am not aware of any. Most streaming anime is hosted at the licensor's website.

      We pay those publishers who are willing to take our money. Publishers that sit on their works and declare "no export for you" get little sympathy.

      And yet shows that do get licensed and sold... sell terribly even if they have large fanbases. Usually with lots of rationalization.

      Yes yes, more excuses please. I had my fill 7 years ago and walked away from the fansub world as they wore thin.

    2. Re:WebM uses MKV by vAltyR · · Score: 4, Informative

      Are you trying to claim there is no legitimate anime on YouTube?

      I am not aware of any.

      Allow me to enlighten you then.

    3. Re:WebM uses MKV by gknoy · · Score: 1

      Holy cow. Thank you.

  31. Re:So what is VideoLAN anyway? by Lanteran · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Here's why you'd want it: you'd never need to add a codec. VLC plays videos in every codec known to man, and several known only to dolphins. That, and it's a damn good music player, *and* it supports playing videos in the framebuffer in linux.

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  32. Re:I wonder if that changes the general advice... by Anthony+Mouse · · Score: 2

    What laptop running Windows is competitive in speed, weight, and battery life with a MacBook Air and substantially cheaper?

    Basically anything with an AMD E-series. The amount they are slower is more than made up for by the amount they are cheaper.

  33. Just tested this..... by BLKMGK · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Wow! I can now skip merrily through a multi-gig MKV file at high bitrates without lag. I can jump halfway through the video and with almost no pause it begins playing with only a little pixelation. This is on Win7 so YMMV on other platforms but I can tell you that compared to even the beta I WAS running this is a giant leap forward - no pun intended. Previously it would hang and slog through the video and was just really awful to skip through big files when I wanted to just check something. Now? Zero issues, clear picture, and plenty of control. I can grab the slider and get pretty good playback too although it obviously jumps some. So far I haven't tried many other video containers or ISO etc. just this one test but for me this was a really big one - very very pleased.

    Bravo to the VLC team!

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  34. Re:So what is VideoLAN anyway? by BLKMGK · · Score: 2

    It's a small install that plays most anything you throw at it including damaged files. It doesn't require you to install CODECs and it's pretty highly optimized code to run on even slow machines. anytime I have someone I know complain they cannot play some file or other I tell them to load VLC - problem solved. Perhaps you just only ever play standard sorts of files

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  35. Media Player Classic - Home Cinema by Aereus · · Score: 3, Informative

    VLC 2.0? That's nice. I'll keep using my even lighter weight video player that plays even more "darn near everything" than VLC.

    Even the built-in filters for MPC-HC are very good, but extending it with Haali's Splitter and ffdshow or CoreAVC results in even better performance.

    1. Re:Media Player Classic - Home Cinema by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      VLC 2.0? That's nice. I'll keep using my even lighter weight video player that plays even more "darn near everything" than VLC.

      Now wait a second...

      Even the built-in filters for MPC-HC are very good, but extending it with Haali's Splitter and ffdshow or CoreAVC results in even better performance.

      If you really want to play, you know, everything, you're going to need a codec kit. So you have to add that into the size of the player too.

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    2. Re:Media Player Classic - Home Cinema by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Let me know when you can run MPC-HC on Linux, Mac, BSD etc.

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  36. Re:I wonder if that changes the general advice... by MoonSweep · · Score: 5, Informative

    "But I use Linux!" Then you're used to video not working.

    Have you ever heard of mplayer ?

  37. I'll wait until 2.0.1 or 2.0.2 in a few days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sure, I feel the urge to download this right now but I know I'll be downloading 2.0.1 tomorrow and then 2.0.2 the day after that so I might as well wait until all the "oops" releases get taken care of.

  38. Re:Still no frame backward? by soundguy · · Score: 1

    That's the main reason I went to GOMplayer on Windows years ago. VLC simply didn't do what I wanted it to do (stepping forward/backward, perfect vidcapping, pan & scan, speed adjustments, contrast/brightness/saturation/color controls).

    Years ago, I tried installing VLC on my video file servers to do vidcaps/thumbnails via scripts, but it simply wouldn't compile without a full X-window installation to solve dependencies. At one point, there was a console-only version, but it had long since been abandoned and wouldn't compile on a REAL server OS (RHE, Centos) because the developers only saw fit to make it work on Fedora and other non-professional and experimental distros. I eventually figured out how to compile Mplayer in the exact console configuration I wanted on ANY flavor of Linux and never looked back.

    Sounds to me like VLC is still lacking.

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  39. Re:Not Bad by TPoise · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Or they'll just get extradited and hauled before a U.S. court on charges of distribution of copyrighted material. And let's hope their domain name isn't registered with GoDaddy...

  40. Re:I wonder if that changes the general advice... by black3d · · Score: 2, Informative

    I can't imagine how you have VLC set incorrectly so that it "washes out" color - a default install will reproduce video per-file. I can see no difference between a default install of MPC and a default install of VLC in terms of color.

    It sounds like they're using different overlay/buffers and on your system your video has separate settings for each - this is especially common on ATI video cards. It will detect overlay video as "video" and apply its video "enchancements", but then not detect the video for any program which does its own rendering and - naturally, not apply any "enchancements". The same is possible on nVidia, however as a difference, nVidia drivers default to no video enhancement, unlike ATI.

    Almost all media programs try to steal all file associations on install. You can simply tell it you don't want to, easy enough. However, this is the norm. Nothing special going on here.

    HOWEVER, to answer your question - yes, it seems there are many improvements in VLC, and in my limited testing it's much better at handling very large, very high resolution video with no lag or banding which sometimes appeared in 1.x.

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  41. But... by Swampash · · Score: 1

    "Twoflower has a new rendering pipeline for video, with higher quality subtitles, and new video filters to enhance your videos."

    VPs at Intel are thrilled, this will really help them at CES next year.

  42. Re:It sounds like they've done some great tuning w by timeOday · · Score: 4, Informative

    OpenGL isn't what you want. I don't believe it's possible to achieve a solid framerate without hardware decoding in the video card hardware support (vdpau in mplayer). Without that, sure, your CPU might only be 20% loaded. But some frames take much more decoding that others, and occasionally one won't be done decoding before it's time to show it, creating a stutter. I know some people will swear otherwise, but I think they just haven't really looked for it.

  43. Re:"FOR ANIME FANS" by vAltyR · · Score: 2, Funny

    Aka, for the neckbearded virgins.

    Hey, I resemble that remark!

  44. Different kinds of programs by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 5, Informative

    MPC-HC isn't actually a full featured media player. It is just a wrapper for DirectShow and Windows Media Foundation, Windows' own highly competent video interfaces. It doesn't actually handle any of the demuxing or decoding itself, it uses the relevant system filters.

    Now this is useful in that anything you've taught Windows to play, it can play. It doesn't have to specifically support it. This also makes it lighter weight, since it doesn't have to have any of that kind of thing with it.

    The disadvantage is that if the system doesn't have the codec, it can't handle it. Or if the system codec is problematic or the like it'll have problems.

    VLC is an all-in-one package. It does all its decoding internally. The only thing it relies on the OS for is things like providing a video rendering interface. So while you can't just feed it new codecs, it doesn't need anything to be on the system. It is self contained.

    I keep it around mostly for problematic files. Some of the pro software I install replaces things like the default MPEG decoders with new ones. These new ones do not tolerate MPEG files not to spec. Makes sense, they are for production and you want to make sure it is done right. However sometimes there's an old video that is encoded wrong, but I want to watch it. VLC can handle that, it is pretty robust at playback.

    It isn't the be-all, end-all of media players, but it has its place.

    1. Re:Different kinds of programs by makomk · · Score: 1

      Carelessly installing ffmpeg-based DShow filters system-wide tends to have side effects like breaking games - you have to be very careful which formats you enable them for.

  45. Re:Trolling campaign by GreatBunzinni, aka Rui Mac by 0mni · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Not very convincing Rui. I think we all know that you have no life and you love Java. Going to pubs wearing Java shirts and corrupting Slashdot are your favourite pastimes.

  46. Re:So what is VideoLAN anyway? by Gaygirlie · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Doesn't DLNA pretty much obsolete that? DLNA seems to be built into all my devices (tv, xbox, squeezebox) and Windows by default now, and works just fine.

    DLNA is not fine and does not work fine. It is a very broken, short-sighted media streaming protocol, lacking in any modern features, and should be replaced as soon as possible.

    1) First of all, it streams the whole file, not only relevant portions of the file. For files with multiple streams in them this wastes network bandwidth, especially for files with lots of such streams. This also hampers DLNA-usage on mobile devices.

    2) It does not support metadata. Metadata is only available if it's inside the file that is being streamed, and even then it's up to the client to handle metadata.

    3) In relation to the above, it does not handle multiple-files-per-item situations.

    4) It relies on clients to understand container formats, instead of the server itself reading the container and only sending the relevant streams inside it to clients -> lots of incompatibility issues.

    Etc. etc. I've written a lengthy post before about the various shortcomings of DLNA and I am hoping it'll some day in the future be replaced. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem likely.

  47. Re:Not Bad by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They'll wake up tomorrow, and find that fuckin' green statue dropped from 30000 feet on top of their beloved Awful Tower. That'll teach 'em a thing or two about democracy...

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  48. Re:I wonder if that changes the general advice... by TheRedDuke · · Score: 2

    I'd drag and drop this troll post out of the comment thread, but the new version of VLC doesn't let me do that either.

  49. Re:"FOR ANIME FANS" by renrutal · · Score: 2

    Subtitle support was already great back in $a_date_long_ago_in_computer_years. Dunno what 2.0 improves on, fluff support was already pretty good, probably it's about doing that on soft subs.

    Anyway, the thing with anime fansub subtitles is that they go beyond normal subtitling, adding karaoke with characters(and images) glowing, fading, changing colors and jumping around the screen; typesetting floating objects translations right into a precise place in a timed frame, along resizing, translating and rotating that object if the background image requires it.

    It usually isn't that bad, but then Akiyuki Shinbo happens.

  50. Re:I wonder if that changes the general advice... by mrmeval · · Score: 1

    No that was spot on accurate. A lot of features don't work or won't work right. They parent is probably talking about windows. I've never seen cut and paste or drag and drop work on Linux across a dozen distros.
    VLC can hard crash X at times but then so do some other programs.

    I like VLC but I have to accept it will not work or work poorly at times. Since they IMAO screwed the UI by defeaturing it I'll see if it's a wretched as it looks when I can get it.

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  51. Bug by Shifty0x88 · · Score: 1

    Careful of the windows installer (.exe version)

    Just tried to install it on Windows 7 x64 Ultimate and I got the following error:
    Unable to elevate, error 1814

    I believe this to be related to the fact that I turned off the win7 feature to ask for permission but I cannot confirm that it just sounds like based on the error message

    Zip version worked fine though!

    Good luck!

    1. Re:Bug by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Because zip files have a hard time registering themselves as an installed application, updating file associations, creating menu items etc?

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  52. Release for iOS by will_die · · Score: 1

    So any news if the licensing has changed and if they will release for iOS. Still have the old version and it works great.

    1. Re:Release for iOS by WiiVault · · Score: 1

      Its on Cydia for jailbroken iOS devices. Well actually 1.11 is, but that is more recent than the AppStore version. 2.0 should be coming out soon though.

  53. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  54. Re:Not Bad by Elbart · · Score: 1

    Officially, that is true. ;) Ahem, cough, wink, nudge.

  55. Some regression by peppepz · · Score: 1
    After the upgrade, I get video stuttering in WMV files after seeking, and the MP4 videos coming from my old N73 play like a slideshow. The installer also tries to install the Mozilla and ActiveX plugins by default, IIRC this feature was off by default before, and I don't know if I want it, but that's just my personal preference.

    Seems to work fine otherwise.

  56. Re:So what is VideoLAN anyway? by peppepz · · Score: 5, Informative

    So it sounds like Windows Media Player, except it's not modular and easy for end users to add new codecs?

    It's designed to play everything without ever installing any codec. End users shouldn't know what a "codec" is, they should double-click a file and see it play, which is what VLC is all about.

    And it's just now getting Blu-Ray support?

    It think that after Mplayer, it's the first free media player getting support for it. Windows Media Player doesn't support Blu-Ray yet, for example.

    Not that I've ever really had a problem with codecs.

    Many people have. It's very easy to run into problems with codecs if you use them. There is no standard user interface to maintain them, so you have to rely on their installers to do the right thing when you install and uninstall them. Which often doesn't happen.

    Videos just seem to work on WMP and MPC just fine every time I try, and I never install any "codec pack" or anything other than XviD perhaps. Honestly I can't figure out why I'd want this still.

    That's because you only used one of the few formats supported by WMP - in this case you have little to gain from VLC. But suppose your grandmother wants to see some family clips taken with somebody else's digital camera. She will double-click them and they won't play. You can either:
    - ask her to dig the FOURCC identification in the video clips, ask her what OS she uses and what version, find a codec online which is good for her case, tell her to download and install it, then cross your fingers and hope it works because there is no well-defined way to debug problems if things don't go well at this point. Note that a broken codec will harm *all* media playback on her machine.
    - tell her do download and install VLC and double click those videos again.

    "Self contained" seems like a big downside to me. It doesn't even compete with VNC or RDP?? The name is pretty misleading as well.

    You can capture your desktop and stream it to another room via IP. Or you can capture a football match from your TV card and stream it into your neighbour's house. Or you can convert a DVD into another format. It's both a generic tool for advanced users and an easy to use player for regular users.

  57. Re:"FOR ANIME FANS" by voidphoenix · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Getting wet after midnight? ;p

  58. Re:I wonder if that changes the general advice... by perryizgr8 · · Score: 4, Informative

    vlc works *better* on windows than on linux. drag and drop has never been a problem, it plays any damn format you throw at it. it can even capture network streams and encode them into whatever you want. it repairs partially broken avis. it does not care if your file has chunks missing. the ui is the simplest you can get without removing any essential features. it can use your bluetooth earphones to play/pause/next.
    once (in ye olde vista days) my fucking graphics driver crashed while watching a movie in vlc. it switched to s/w rendering on the fly, while aero went to fallback mode in the background, error notification appears saying 'your graphics has crashed'. after 30-40 seconds the drive gets restarted, aero comes back and vlc switches back to h/w rendering. all this without any interruption in the playback. i think that is amazing. i dunno why you guys think it crashes hard.
    on linux, sometimes right click menu is a bit buggy while in fullscreen.
    on windows vlc is the nearest you can get to the ideal video player.

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  59. Icon by cgomezr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They should have taken advantage of the chance to change that horrendous cone icon. I love VLC, but sometimes I install other alternatives just to get rid of that ugly icon that gives the idea that there is something broken in the files (yes, I know it can be changed, but I'm too lazy to fiddle with that and it's so 90s to mess around with icon configuration).

    1. Re:Icon by Lennie · · Score: 1

      Ones a year it already different during Christmas. That is atleast something right ;-)

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    2. Re:Icon by ToddInSF · · Score: 1

      I can't believe readers on a tech site gave someone that can not change an icon a +5.

  60. Re:"FOR ANIME FANS" by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 1

    Do mules count as a subspecies of horse/donkey?

  61. Re:So what is VideoLAN anyway? by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

    Here's why you'd want it: you'd never need to add a codec. VLC plays videos in every codec known to man, and several known only to dolphins. That, and it's a damn good music player, *and* it supports playing videos in the framebuffer in linux.

    In addition, if it brings Blu-Ray to the OSX it will fill a big hole in video playback on the Mac. OSX already can read Blu-Ray disks, and MakeMKV rips them to mkvs; but this would eliminate the need and time involved in getting one's blu-ray collection playable in an OSX environment.

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  62. Re:So what is VideoLAN anyway? by kikito · · Score: 1

    More like the total opposite of Windows Media Player. That's why it's good.

  63. Re:It sounds like they've done some great tuning w by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 2

    Or all the old Linux guys care less about consuming content than making something.

    I do find Linux a little stunted in the multimedia department - the texture tearing on at least one monitor when using a composite desktop is mildly annoying when using standard applications, but unacceptable when watching video. I'm hoping that Wayland will improve this, but holding my breath for it to arrive would be foolish.

  64. Re:It sounds like they've done some great tuning w by kikito · · Score: 2

    Sounds like a problem in your particular setup. I have used VLC in 5 different Ubuntu machines and it worked great in all of them.

  65. Re:Not Bad by dokc · · Score: 5, Informative

    Name one innocent person who has ACTUALLY been extradited by the US on BS chages for copyright violations.

    Go ahead, I'll wait.

    I'm not saying that its never going to happen, but it just hasn't happened yet, at least not in my life time.

    You people just don't fucking get it.

    We don't come get you and extradite you when we ACTUALLY want to get you. We just do that when we want to pretend you matter, but you really don't. See Julian Assange. When we actually want to get you, you just cease to exist one night. Its far cleaner and raises FAR fewer questions, even if a CIA agent comes out the next day and tells you he did it.

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  66. Re:So what is VideoLAN anyway? by Bert64 · · Score: 1

    Does it support CDXL format?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CDXL

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  67. Re:It sounds like they've done some great tuning w by PiSkyHi · · Score: 1

    I find Linux to be the best solution when you have a good graphics adapter and driver combination, then you can use software with more control to access your media collection. Mine is just Intel HD3000 but works very well with Kubuntu Oneiric.

  68. It's available for Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I've just installed VLC 2.0 on my Ubuntu 11.10
    Here's the PPA
    sudo add-apt-repository ppa:videolan/stable-daily

  69. Re:I wonder if that changes the general advice... by MMC+Monster · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The nice thing about VLC on Windows is that it can be a least common denominator.

    I want to give a friend a video to watch. I don't have to research what codecs and container formats it was using, and what my friend has installed on the computer. I just add the VLC installer on the disc and tell him to use that if their default player doesn't handle the video.

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  70. Re:"FOR ANIME FANS" by SacredNaCl · · Score: 4, Informative

    I don't watch any anime, but the picture quality in VLC v2.0 has improved quite a bit over v1.1. VLC is still not offloading as many things as I might like to my graphics processor *(HD 6870), but its CPU utilization is not high on my Core i5 based system. I forgot which settings I used before to make some content end up forced to decode on the graphics card; I went ahead & axed the old settings in case they would break things in the new version.

    The big positives I noticed right away: The technique VLC uses for dealing with interlaced content improved in terms of output quality in v2.0. I still don't have a solution for the 24 frames issue that causes some HD to stutter a bit, but I imagine that has to do more with how things are encoded than the player.

    I've only played around with a few videos with it so far, but I do like the improvements that I can see. I also like the improvements that I can hear!

    Its nice when a new version is actually an improvement, and not just more pure bloat that gives the same level of performance at many times the original install size.

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  71. Re:I wonder if that changes the general advice... by kikito · · Score: 1

    VLC works very well on Linux.

  72. Re:I wonder if that changes the general advice... by pinkeen · · Score: 1

    Or smplayer for that matter. IMHO the best GUI frontend to mplayer. I prefer it over VLC. It works on windows too.

  73. Re:So what is VideoLAN anyway? by lehphyro · · Score: 1

    These things are not problems for the average user who needs to stream only an MP3 file.

  74. Re:Still no frame backward? by diego.viola · · Score: 1

    Why not use ffmpeg then?

  75. Re:and LINUX by diego.viola · · Score: 1

    Agreed.

  76. Re:and LINUX by diego.viola · · Score: 1

    Those anti-Linux editors should get fired IMHO.

  77. GPU decoding not so good? by DigiTechGuy · · Score: 1

    For me, it's jumpy when set to GPU decoding for 1080 content. CPU is smooth as always but about 10%-20% higher CPU usage. 3.4 GHz AMD quad core and GeForceGTX 460.

    Also, still can't select the s-video input from my ATI tuner/capture card.

  78. Missing glyphs in your chosen subtitle font by tepples · · Score: 1

    A quick browse through the interface and preferences show only one place you can specify a font (for the subtitles).

    But what happens when a subtitle uses a foreign character for which your preferred subtitle font has no glyph? Do you want a bunch of boxes, or do you want the glyph from the most similar font you have installed? A font cache helps satisfy the latter approach.

    1. Re:Missing glyphs in your chosen subtitle font by tepples · · Score: 1

      I think it might be more for Latin/Greek/Cyrillic, where not all fonts have all the accented characters for all languages that use these scripts.

  79. Re:It sounds like they've done some great tuning w by sjames · · Score: 1

    As long as the average frame decodes fast enough, the occasional difficult frame can be handled by buffering the raw output. The drawback is that the buffer may be impractically large or add an annoying amount of latency.

  80. Re:It sounds like they've done some great tuning w by X0563511 · · Score: 1

    The damn thing starts instantly now - used to be it took several seconds to start up. Now, I've not even released my mouse button from the second click before it's up.

    That is some fine startup tweaking.

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  81. Re:So what is VideoLAN anyway? by X0563511 · · Score: 1

    as Ark42 said, it is a nice player. But it also serves as a stream host - not sure how that works with DLNA et all, but you can tell it to stream it's output and connect another player (on another device for example) to it, allowing you to play a video remotely where you might not have otherwise been able.

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  82. Re:better, still not there yet by X0563511 · · Score: 1

    Check your deinterlacing settings. You might need to try the IVTC option, snice 29.97fps NTSC DVDs "stutter" naturally without being detelecined.

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  83. Re:"FOR ANIME FANS" by bughunter · · Score: 3, Funny

    Umm... dude, that's not her neck.

    You really should get out more.

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  84. Re:Not Bad by yotto · · Score: 1

    Name one innocent person who has ACTUALLY been extradited by the US on BS chages for copyright violations.

    Define "Innocent"

    Because one could argue that the VLC guys are not innocent, and are therefore are deserving of extradition.

  85. Re:I wonder if that changes the general advice... by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

    Tools -> Preferences -> Show settings (bottom left) -> Switch to 'All' view.

    Then

    Video (click to expand) -> Subtitles/OSD -> Text Rendering mode -> Choose [Dummy font Renderer]

    Click [Save]

    You won't be bothered by 'building the font cache' after that.

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  86. Re:I wonder if that changes the general advice... by Khyber · · Score: 1

    If you followed the advice of your sig you'd have your answer.

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  87. PowerPC version broken by kwack · · Score: 3, Informative

    I upgraded to 2.0.0 on my old PowerPC G4 iMac, which I like to use as a movie player "for the design". Warning for that! No sound, red stripes all over the frame... The upside is that it's really easy to downgrade, just move the old app bundle back from the trash can to the applications folder.

  88. Re:"FOR ANIME FANS" by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 1

    The women anime fans have neckbeards too, in my experience.

    Depends what's needed for the cosplay.
    FWIW, a lot of them shave their pubes. Possibly inspired by hentai.

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  89. Definite maybe - opinion is divided by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 1

    Do mules count as a subspecies of horse/donkey?

    Tricky question. A molly mule (female whose sire is a donkey and dam is a horse) can be impregnated by a stallion on occasion, but give birth to horses in that case. On the other hand, there are a couple of documented cases of a hinny mare (sire is horse, dam is donkey) giving birth to a novel hybrid when impregnated by a jack donkey.

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  90. Re:I wonder if that changes the general advice... by mrmeval · · Score: 1

    Yes and VLC is very windows centric.

    A lot of my complaints should have been directed at the long term problem of drag and drop and cut and paste across several Linux distributions. I've not tested them all so YMMV. Fedora 14, Ubuntu before gnume3 and the current Mint Live CD fail at cut and paste, drag and drop is incomplete.

    I should have specified my experience is the 64bit version of VLC for Fedora core 14. I now recall dimly that 32bit did better except for the same crashes due to corrupt videos and UI issues.

    I shall give the new version VLC a try.

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  91. The synonym problem by tepples · · Score: 1

    What laptop running Windows is competitive in speed, weight, and battery life with a MacBook Air and substantially cheaper?
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    ...which synonym for the subject?

    If you followed the advice of your sig you'd have your answer.

    The point of my sig is that not all web pages use the same term to refer to a given concept, which makes it more difficult to search for web pages that mention the concept. For example, "less expensive" won't match "lower price" or "cheaper". Which Google query would turn up relevant results?

    1. Re:The synonym problem by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      Since Google automatically tries synonyms of a word as well, it doesn't really make a damn difference.

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    2. Re:The synonym problem by tepples · · Score: 1

      In general, in a Slashdot discussion, how should I get across that I've already tried searching with Google, but all my queries have failed me?

    3. Re:The synonym problem by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure, to be honest. But synonyms aren't the answer, because Google's already predicted that.

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  92. Re:I wonder if that changes the general advice... by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    The last time I tried mplayer it ate 100% cpu on a file that even Windows Media Player happily played without blinking.

    So, you failed to offload decode from your CPU. Try harder next time?

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  93. Re:It sounds like they've done some great tuning w by evilviper · · Score: 2

    I don't believe it's possible to achieve a solid framerate without hardware decoding in the video card hardware

    There's absolutely no truth to that. Several years ago, you couldn't get CPUs fast enough that they could decode high-bitrate highdef H.264 video, but it's been a long time since that was the case. Even low-end CPUs have enough power these days.

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  94. Note in the "this" meme by gatkinso · · Score: 1

    It is very 2011.

    Carry on.

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  95. Re:It sounds like they've done some great tuning w by nightfell · · Score: 1

    Or all the old Linux guys care less about consuming content than making something.

    That's not the cause of poor multimedia support in Linux, it's an effect.

    The cause is driver support, which is due to lack of documented interfaces.

  96. Re:I wonder if that changes the general advice... by mjwx · · Score: 1

    What laptop running Windows is competitive in speed, weight, and battery life with a MacBook Air and substantially cheaper?

    Basically anything with an AMD E-series. The amount they are slower is more than made up for by the amount they are cheaper.

    Given how underpowered a Macbook Air is, an AMD E-Series will run rings around it.

    I bought an Asus U36SD for US$800 put a 128 SSD in there for US$170, I'm still up on buying an entry level Macbook and have the performance of an i5 with a 10 hour battery life (Doubly so with the AUD fetching US$1.07 at the time of purchase).

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  97. Re:Not Bad by NemoinSpace · · Score: 1

    He meant "they"

  98. Re:So what is VideoLAN anyway? by lennier · · Score: 1

    "End users shouldn't know what a "codec" is, they should double-click a file and see it play, which is what VLC is all about."

    This statement is what's made all the headaches of computers happen.

    People using computers, especially online, should be required to pass a competency test and basic knowledge test.

    Well, sort of. What's made codecs an especially thorny hassle on both Windows and Mac has been the operating system's staunch absolute refusal to admit that they exist, and to give the user any kind of relevant feedback whatsoever, combined with both companies' equally staunch refusal to allow codecs to be distributed freely.

    For example, right-click on a .wmv Explorer on Windows 7. Go ahead, I'll wait. Now, let's see what metadata we've got in the details pane. Hmm. Title, Subtitle, Rating (huh?), Tags, Comments, Length, Frame Width, Frame Height... more esoteric stuff, like data rate, Total Bitrate.... absolutely no mention of codec. Go look under Control Panel for anything about installed codecs. Nothing. (For extra credit, go digging through the raw Registry looking for information about codecs... it's certainly not well documented). So how's even a trained user supposed to understand what she has or hasn't bought the rights to use on her system?

    Codecs could be sensible, if they were treated just like programs, file extensions and fonts: things you could easily tell existed, and if they had a neat control panel somewhere showing what was and wasn't installed. But for inexplicable reasons, all the major OS manufacturers seem to have conspired to make codecs both invisible, and yet sold as commercial extensions that you can't just assume are there. Bizarre.

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  99. The Princess Mononoke example by dbIII · · Score: 2

    Without the fan releases you get things like a animated movie taking a over a decade to be shown in a cinema near you only to have the only two sessions sell out within an hour of the tickets going on sale.
    The illigitimate distribution has led to more commercial releases as it becomes clear there are enough fans in unexpected areas, and thus the people who create the works we enjoy get the benefit of potentially getting paid more.
    Of course there are extremes but it doesn't look like a few fansubs are hurting much. After all, many of those anime fans that look like they "will never amount to anything" will "aquire the blue-ray" (to quote a penguin drum advertisment). Even the local boring conservative electronics outlet in the boring suburban shopping centre near where I work has a few shelves of anime these days.

  100. Re:Not Bad by gmhowell · · Score: 1

    They'll wake up tomorrow, and find that fuckin' green statue dropped from 30000 feet on top of their beloved Awful Tower. That'll teach 'em a thing or two about democracy...

    Democracy won't fix anything if your country is full of assholes...

    This could apply to either France or the US, so, umm... what's your point?

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  101. Re:I wonder if that changes the general advice... by perryizgr8 · · Score: 1

    never come across .mov in years of downloading all sorts of stuff.

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  102. Re:So what is VideoLAN anyway? by peppepz · · Score: 1
    I should have written that in a different way: "It's nice for end users to be able to double-click a file and see it play without needing to know what a codec is".

    I do not advocate users' ignorance / walled gardens / software dumbdown, I just think that letting more people take advantage of computers is a nice thing even for us advanced users.

  103. Re:So what is VideoLAN anyway? by peppepz · · Score: 1
    Amen to that. I usually have to use directx's graph builder (which is itself hard to find, I don't remember if it's currently buried in the Platform SDK or the Directx SDK) to troubleshoot codec problems on Windows.

    I'm not against an operating system-wide codec system; I think it's a important piece of a modern OS. I'm disappointed that Windows' one is under-documented, messy and generally not meant to be user-maintainable (just like so many Windows subsystems). This is the kind of complexity which results in OS reinstallation being the time-honoured, quickest solution to fix certain problems on Windows.

  104. Re:Not Bad by alien-alien · · Score: 1

    Actually, unless I've woken up in a "New West"

    They're *all* innocent until proven guilty and that does not happen until after they're extradited, charged (if they're lucky) and subjected to a fair trial.

    No wait... pinch me please... this is a nightmare.

  105. Re:So what is VideoLAN anyway? by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

    Now that we have the printing press, the codex is completely outdated.

  106. Re:So what is VideoLAN anyway? by Kalriath · · Score: 1

    That hole hasn't existed for six months.

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  107. Re:So what is VideoLAN anyway? by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

    That hole hasn't existed for six months.

    Unfortunately MacBlurayPlayer isn't a really viable solution (yet) since it needs an Internet connection for decrypting the discs. MakeMKV with its streaming feature works but an all in one solution would be nice and I hope VLC sorts it out.

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  108. Re:Not Bad by nhat11 · · Score: 1

    Have you been on TVShack.net before? The amount of illegal content on there I'm surprise it wasn't shut down sooner.

  109. Free alternatives on Windows by alexo · · Score: 1
  110. Re:So what is VideoLAN anyway? by cthulhu11 · · Score: 1

    It used to be. 2.0.0 for me (quad core Mac Pro 10.7.2) locks up way more often and refuses to play files that the previous version played before. The change in behavior of the > buttons is more than a little frustrating, as is the behavior of playing video at the *bottom* of the window stack. The persistent window with the sources sidebar and file history is, as others have said, annoying. Playback stutters on files that played smoothly with 1.1.9. Basically, functionality appears to be eschewed in favor of weird crap that I'll never use, in other words it's become like Linux. Color me Not Impressed.

  111. Re:"FOR ANIME FANS" by rdnetto · · Score: 1

    It usually isn't that bad, but then Akiyuki Shinbo happens.

    For those who didn't get the reference, Shinbo is a notable Shaft (an anime studio) director. Most of his works involve rather abstract imagery and sometimes flashing walls of text on screen for under a second. ASS subs are so capable that they can be used to add a subtitle overlay that matches the original video sufficiently well to be indistinguishable in most scenarios.

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